Bay Admits TF2 was "Crap"

[jaydisc]

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=633946&gt1=28101

[SharkyMcShark]

This isn't really new news - he's been saying that for about six months.

[1AZRAEL1]

I liked it anyway. But alot of tv shows/movies suffered during this time, and he was not able to get an extension on the movie release date to get a better script made up.

Oh well, I look forward to the next one anyway.

[Demonac]

The film director should never say his movie is 'crap'.
I also liked his attempt to deflect the blame to others.
Pretty sure the opening credit reads: 'A Micheal Bay Film'.

Look at all his interviews from '08 & '09. All talking up the movie, just like he's doing for upcoming movie.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[1AZRAEL1]

Any director is gonna talk up his new movie, not like he's gonna say it's a steaming pile of crap.

But his movie didn't say written and directed though, he didn't write it. He did best he could with what he had.

I'll be there day it comes out, can't wait to see it.

[GoktimusPrime]

I think it's a good sign that Michael Bay has admitted this and hopefully this means that he will want to do a better job with DOTM. After all, the entire point of admitting to having made mistakes is to try to avoid repeating them. Well, he certainly won't have another writer's strike to blame for DOTM.

And yeah, as the director he would accept responsibility for the film's successes and failures -- if it's a problem with an actor or writer... whatever, you're the leader, therefore you accept responsibility. Such is the burden of leadership! (Rodimus Prime'd!!)

[kup]

I don't think he is capable of doing a better job.

I don't think that the writer strike had anything to do with super crap editing, soft porn pretenders, D**k bots, farting parachutes, pot cookies, the twins and on and on.

[Lord_Zed]

I don't think he is capable of doing a better job.

I don't think that the writer strike had anything to do with super crap editing, soft porn pretenders, D**k bots, farting parachutes, pot cookies, the twins and on and on.

Well I liked the first movie, and I'm pretty sure he directed that, so I don't think thats fair, I think he can do a decent job.

Whether of course his remark is all talk and he actually does is another matter indeed.

[kup]

Well I liked the first movie, and I'm pretty sure he directed that, so I don't think thats fair, I think he can do a decent job.

Whether of course his remark is all talk and he actually does is another matter indeed.

He can do a decent job when he is under control by someone higher than he is. When he is given full reign, things go haywire. With the box office success of the previous film, I doubt that he has been given anything less than full reign.

Keep in mind that the issues we have seen with ROTF and even the first film, are not isolated to Transformers but can be observed in his other movies too. Bay already had a reputation before he took the Transformers film franchise and although it has since been amplified, it hasn't really changed.

[Lord_Zed]

Bayness is amplified in ROTF, where as in the first movie it is more restrained however wether thats from powers on high influencing him or whatever, as Goktimus states the Director is ultimately responsible for his film so It's Bay's fault that ROTF was crap, but also his fault that the first movie was decent.

While I tend to agree that he is unlikely to do better, I still think he can, and has before (not great but better).

[Sky Shadow]

In other news, Tom Kenny admits that Skids and Mudflap are annoying, Shia LeBoeuf admits to saying the word 'no' and Megan Fox admits that she's a b!*@#...


Pretty sure the opening credit reads: 'A Micheal Bay Film'.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't, unless his proofreaders are crap too.

[Demonac]

All these years of abusing Micheal Bay's films, when I should be abusing Michael Bay's films instead.

[AussieJason]

Well I liked the first movie, and I'm pretty sure he directed that, so I don't think thats fair, I think he can do a decent job.

Whether of course his remark is all talk and he actually does is another matter indeed.

To me the first movie was average, but ok. It got the franchise in the mainstream, but took it in some questionable directions (in my opinion) in the process.

I tend to agree that Bay may have been "managed" more with TF1, whereas with ROTF he was given free reign and a blank cheque.

Hopefully, despite being quite successful; after the poor critical reception of ROTF the "management" of Michael Bay will return.

If so, maybe DOTM will surprise, and for the right reasons

[Robzy]

To me the first movie was average, but ok. It got the franchise in the mainstream, but took it in some questionable directions (in my opinion) in the process.

100% agree. I never thought TF1 was very good, but I was happy that it was made.



In other news, Tom Kenny admits that Skids and Mudflap are annoying, Shia LeBoeuf admits to saying the word 'no' and Megan Fox admits that she's a b!*@#...

Best quote I've read all week :D:D Well done! I was thinking the same thing when I first heard Bay said ROTF was "crap"... how is this news? The only thing "news-y" about it is the fact that Bay's comments are a huge slap in the face to all the diehard ROTF fans who have defended him for 2 years. When I think about the countless times they have gone in to battle for Bay, championing the movie on his behalf, only to have him come along and undermine them by agreeing with the rest of us (finally). They must feel really betrayed. :rolleyes:

[Bartrim]

Best quote I've read all week :D:D Well done! I was thinking the same thing when I first heard Bay said ROTF was "crap"... how is this news? The only thing "news-y" about it is the fact that Bay's comments are a huge slap in the face to all the diehard ROTF fans who have defended him for 2 years. When I think about the countless times they have gone in to battle for Bay, championing the movie on his behalf, only to have him come along and undermine them by agreeing with the rest of us (finally). They must feel really betrayed. :rolleyes:

Betrayed? A slap in the face?Thats a pretty strong statement don't you think? You make it sound like Bay slept with their wives.

As you know (based on our disagreements in the past) I am a fan of ROTF. The reason I am a fan is not because I think it's the best movie of all time but because I think given the situation he did a good enough job. Ultimately it would of been better to wait until after the writers strike to make the movie but can you imagine the uproar if the fans had to wait any longer then they did for the sequel. So I applaud Michael Bay for not only making ROTF which I was happy with (again given the situation) but also for being man enough to admit their were mistakes and problems and that he wasn't happy with it.

[1AZRAEL1]

As you know (based on our disagreements in the past) I am a fan of ROTF. The reason I am a fan is not because I think it's the best movie of all time but because I think given the situation he did a good enough job. Ultimately it would of been better to wait until after the writers strike to make the movie but can you imagine the uproar if the fans had to wait any longer then they did for the sequel. So I applaud Michael Bay for not only making ROTF which I was happy with (again given the situation) but also for being man enough to admit their were mistakes and problems and that he wasn't happy with it.

Are you kidding? ROTF was the greatest story ever shown on the big screen :p

But in all seriousness, I have to agree with you, exactly how I feel. I enjoyed the movie when I saw it, and still enjoy it now. Yea there are things wrong with it, but he did the best with the situation he had.

[Robzy]

Betrayed? A slap in the face?Thats a pretty strong statement don't you think? You make it sound like Bay slept with their wives.
Well... Yeah - I guess it is pretty strong... but the vitriol from many fans of ROTF directed at "Geewunners" has been pretty strong too! :rolleyes:

Okay... I'll use myself as an example... If Ivan Reitman came out and said Ghostbusters was "crap" I would feel very betrayed by him! If James Cameron said Aliens was "crap" I'd feel like that was a slap in my face (I love the movie, so he's automatically insulting my taste in films).

IMO, I think Bay has offended quite a few of his supporters, judging by the comments on some of the international forums... But some are either delusional or in denial... e.g. "Feels like Bay is just distancing himself from it because he's been told to. I doubt he really feels it was crap"... etc, etc, etc... Gimme a break! :rolleyes:


Ultimately it would of been better to wait until after the writers strike to make the movie but can you imagine the uproar if the fans had to wait any longer then they did for the sequel. So I applaud Michael Bay for not only making ROTF which I was happy with (again given the situation) but also for being man enough to admit their were mistakes and problems and that he wasn't happy with it.

Not me. Personally I'd rather wait 8 years for a good movie, than 2 years for a "crap" movie ;)

[Bartrim]

Well... Yeah - I guess it is pretty strong... but the vitriol from many fans of ROTF directed at "Geewunners" has been pretty strong too! :rolleyes:

Okay... I'll use myself as an example... If Ivan Reitman came out and said Ghostbusters was "crap" I would feel very betrayed by him! If James Cameron said Aliens was "crap" I'd feel like that was a slap in my face (I love the movie, so he's automatically insulting my taste in films).

IMO, I think Bay has offended quite a few of his supporters, judging by the comments on some of the international forums... But some are either delusional or in denial... e.g. "Feels like Bay is just distancing himself from it because he's been told to. I doubt he really feels it was crap"... etc, etc, etc... Gimme a break! :rolleyes:



Not me. Personally I'd rather wait 8 years for a good movie, than 2 years for a "crap" movie ;)

LOL. Everytime someone mentions Ivan Reitman I always think of Tony Martins Arnie impersanation on The Late Show back in the 90's.

I agree with you I would rather wait 8 years for a good movie but like I said given the circumstances ROTF was good enough (for me anyway). It was those international fans I was referring to and that is why I avoid the international boards now.

[Robzy]

LOL. Everytime someone mentions Ivan Reitman I always think of Tony Martins Arnie impersanation on The Late Show back in the 90's.

Hahaha - I remember that too! Gold! :D


It was those international fans I was referring to and that is why I avoid the international boards now.Same here :)

[Gutsman Heavy]

In other news, Bay admits water is wet.

[5FDP]

In other news, Bay admits water is wet.

I'm starting to think he is really Charlie Sheen in disguise. The man's a prophet :p

[Bartrim]

Hahaha - I remember that too! Gold! :D


Not gold.... Champagne Comedy:D
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/Bartrim/champagne-comedy.gif

[AussieJason]

Well... Yeah - I guess it is pretty strong... but the vitriol from many fans of ROTF directed at "Geewunners" has been pretty strong too! :rolleyes:

Okay... I'll use myself as an example... If Ivan Reitman came out and said Ghostbusters was "crap" I would feel very betrayed by him! If James Cameron said Aliens was "crap" I'd feel like that was a slap in my face (I love the movie, so he's automatically insulting my taste in films).

IMO, I think Bay has offended quite a few of his supporters, judging by the comments on some of the international forums... But some are either delusional or in denial... e.g. "Feels like Bay is just distancing himself from it because he's been told to. I doubt he really feels it was crap"... etc, etc, etc... Gimme a break! :rolleyes:


Not me. Personally I'd rather wait 8 years for a good movie, than 2 years for a "crap" movie ;)

Completely agree.

The term "shovelware" applies to video games, but it almost seems Bay adopted this method for ROTF...

[UltraMarginal]

Not me. Personally I'd rather wait 8 years for a good movie, than 2 years for a "crap" movie ;)

true, but I already waited 25 years for the first one...:(

Movies aren't quite like valve games, telling the general public they they will be done when they are done doesn't work. The hollywood machine needs to market, to set dates, raise expectations and have merchandise, lots of merchandise. having millions of dollars of merch sitting in a warehouse for 5 years waiting till a movie is just right wouldn't make the hollywood bean counters happy, and they also want to strike while the iron is hot, squeeze as much money out of the license while people remember the last one.

I doubt Michael Bay would have been able to push the date back much if he had even wanted to, the bean counters would have said no. the same will be with this movie. hopefully there is a bit of a hiatus before the 4th when the franchise can rest up a little.

though personally if there could be an awesome Transformers movie released every 6 months, I would much prefer that.:D more, I want more!! NOW!:D

I was spoiled watching Stargate SG1 dvd box sets, just one more, just one more.
now waiting a week for a new episode of something is nigh on excruciating.

[GoktimusPrime]

Giving directors more time doesn't necessarily mean they'll produce a better film... after all, Star Wars fans waited 22 years for this (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JhlcUSxokQ8/SjgdZR6taFI/AAAAAAAAAGY/XGr3uY5iDew/s400/star-wars-jar-jar-binks.jpg). ;) :p