King Hsss has reversed shoulders

[TheFallen]

After the Roboto incident with reversed shoulders it has happened again with King Hsss.

Toyguru has stated that Mattel initiated a shoulder committee to prevent this issue happening again but 6 months later, here we are.

You may not want to click the link because once you see it you can not unsee it but for those who do;

Here we go again...King Hsss has reversed shoulders (http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?p=2670227#post2670227)

[TheFallen]

Response from Toyguru;


I won't offer excuses folks. This is the first time I've seen this issue as well and I elevated it (once again) to design management (cause frankly this burns me more then anyone since we put so much time into trying to get these guys perfect, kills me when anything is off).

At the end of the day when a line has such a small run like MOTUC these things happen. We do do all we can to catch these and I'm honestly shocked after Roboto that the design team missed this- again. Seriously not happy about this.

We'll keep trying, that is all I can say. And I'm truly sorry another one slipped through the cracks. I wish we had the resources of a large line like Barbie or even DCUC. With MOTUC the production runs are just so small that we make due with the very limited resources we have. Really sucks when they don't come out perfect, but mistakes do happen. I am sorry another one did.

Scott

[kurdt_the_goat]

Sigh :(

I hope Kup can figure out a way to correct this without damaging the figure, cause i'm not game otherwise!

[kup]

Sigh :(

I hope Kup can figure out a way to correct this without damaging the figure, cause i'm not game otherwise!

MOTU Figures are super hard to pull apart unlike TFs which just need a few screws removed to disassemble.

I hope that I am able to do it but even if I succeed, I can guarantee that it won't be easy and full of risk as Matty likes to glue their figures together.

[kup]

Somebody did a tutorial and by the looks of it, it's much harder than I imagined.

http://he-man.us/Innovations/MOTUC-Customs/FixingKingHssss.html

This isn't a factory error as such but a molding error (Mattel). The R & L stamps are on the wrong shoulders so the factory guy was actually doing his job properly. The problem now comes that despite the shoulders being reversed, the pegs for Left and Right are different so one would need to modify the pegs in order to swap the shoulders around.

The error here is fundamental and it would need you to 'kitbash like' alter the joints of the figure in order to 'correct' it.

[kurdt_the_goat]

Looks daunting.. while i could probably do it i might just see if it bothers me much in person first.

[Tallestblue]

yeah, not sure if this will bother me or not, but I didn't get King hiss the first go round so who knows?

[lcz128]

Somebody did a tutorial and by the looks of it, it's much harder than I imagined.

http://he-man.us/Innovations/MOTUC-Customs/FixingKingHssss.html

This isn't a factory error as such but a molding error (Mattel). The R & L stamps are on the wrong shoulders so the factory guy was actually doing his job properly. The problem now comes that despite the shoulders being reversed, the pegs for Left and Right are different so one would need to modify the pegs in order to swap the shoulders around.

The error here is fundamental and it would need you to 'kitbash like' alter the joints of the figure in order to 'correct' it.

With the pictures it doesn't seem that hard at all! Just tender loving care needs to be taken with it ^_^

[kup]

With the pictures it doesn't seem that hard at all! Just tender loving care needs to be taken with it ^_^

I always found it hard to pry apart glued pieces. The boiling of parts like sliding out the armor is also a bit of a factor.

[Robzy]

Seriously?! :eek: Again?!! :rolleyes:

Mattel and Digital River are on a roll this month! This is garbage! :mad:

[TheFallen]

Apparently, there is an easier shoulder fix that does not require any sanding. I think this is one of the very small benefits of waiting 4 weeks for delivery because once the figure finally does get here there will already be plenty of tutorials for fixes :)

[kup]

This video is extremely helpful when it comes to fixing Hisss' reversed shoulders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyVNhQze8q4&feature=player_embedded

I am not sure if it's necessary to cut the armor as he did as the other pictorial tutorial shows that you can slip the armor out if you heat it up. On the other hand, he has shown us that it's not at all necessary to mod the figure in any way as you can indeed remove the shoulder from the joints. This allowes you to reverse them without having to open up the torso and sand off pieces to swap sides.

[kup]

Lord_Zed just showed me this and it speaks volumes :D

http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=17097

[Tallestblue]

Arrrgh. Do NOT have the skill to attempt any of that. Sadly I must live with the reversed shoulders.

[Robzy]

Yeah, me neither! I can't be bothered going through all that. It's not my job to fix Mattel's mistakes, and I don't think it's noticeable enough to warrant the effort.

[kup]

I will do it just because it will bug me if I don't. However I am not sure if I would have bought the figure had I known of this error before purchasing it.

[TheFallen]

I will be doing the fix. The most I have ever done is fix loose ankles so this will be a new experience for me.

I have to do it because it will constantly bother me if I don't

[Sharky]

Lord_Zed just showed me this and it speaks volumes :D

http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=17097

hehe that is funny

[kup]

I just finished fixing my King Hsss's reversed shoulders. Although it was fairly straight forward, it wasn't as easy as they made it seem in the video mainly due to a fair bit of effort, a fine hand and common sense required - In other words, some experience with doing this sort of thing is required as the potential for something going wrong is moderate.

Something to note is that the reversed shoulders are not just an aesthetic flaw they also highly restrict shoulder movement with potential of damage. This is due to increased pressure as the scales sculpting is forced to squeeze under the joint during movement with a high potential of creating surface deformities. This is no longer the case after the shoulders are corrected as the sculpt takes into account the scales when the joint is moved.

This procedure has already been well documented so no need to go through it but will mention that I used methods from both these guides: Pictorial (http://he-man.us/Innovations/MOTUC-Customs/FixingKingHssss.html) and Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyVNhQze8q4&feature=player_embedded).

From the pictorial guide I followed their hot water method to soften the plastic as my heater fan wasn't enough for part removal. For the rest it became clear that I needed to cut the armor off as in the Video to remove it or risk potentially distorting it due to stretching. I also needed to cut the shoulders joints as shown in the video to remove and swap them.

Note: It is very important to allow the plastic to heat up enough so that it becomes as soft as possible or some stress marks may occur while bending parts out of sockets or joints, this particularly goes for the shoulders. If stretch marks do occur on any part, use this method (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=10542) to alleviate them.

Before re-assembly:

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/fixes/hssshoulders.JPG

After Shoulder correction

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/fixes/hssshoulders2.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/fixes/hssshoulders3.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/fixes/hssshoulders4.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/fixes/hssshoulders5.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/fixes/hssshoulders6.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/fixes/hssshoulders1.JPG

[TheFallen]

Damn, I thought this was going to be an easy fix. I don't have the necessary skills or patience to do this.

I need to have a corrected version because it looks so much better.

Can I send my Hsss torso to you so you can do it for me? ;)

[kup]

Damn, I thought this was going to be an easy fix. I don't have the necessary skills or patience to do this.

I need to have a corrected version because it looks so much better.

Can I send my Hsss torso to you so you can do it for me? ;)

You can if you like but keep in mind shipping costs and although I will be extremely careful, I take no responsibility if something does go wrong during the process.

[TheFallen]

You can if you like but keep in mind shipping costs and although I will be extremely careful, I take no responsibility if something does go wrong during the process.

I will have spares once all my deliveries arrive ;)

[kup]

I will have spares once all my deliveries arrive ;)

ok, let me know how you wish to arrange this but just in case, check if all your King Hsss figures have the reversed shoulders. There has been word of some people having the fortune of having their figures 'improperly' assembled with corrected shoulders.

[Tallestblue]

ok, let me know how you wish to arrange this but just in case, check if all your King Hsss figures have the reversed shoulders. There has been word of some people having the fortune of having their figures 'improperly' assembled with corrected shoulders.

Is this true or is this just people being not that bright?

[Sky Shadow]

Is this true or is this just people being not that bright?

Statistically, it's probably right - the workers get them backwards so often on other MOTUCs that it must only have been a matter of time before it actually worked in someone's favour. :)

[Robzy]

I just finished fixing my King Hsss's reversed shoulders. Although it was fairly straight forward, it wasn't as easy as they made it seem in the video mainly due to a fair bit of effort, a fine hand and common sense required - In other words, some experience with doing this sort of thing is required as the potential for something going wrong is moderate.
Well done Kup! It looks great! It may seem 'easy' but it takes real talent to do this and not completely screw up the figure!

I'm personally just hoping they'll re-release Hsss in a year or so with corrected shoulders - then I'll just display the one I already have with the snake torso.

[kup]

Well done Kup! It looks great! It may seem 'easy' but it takes real talent to do this and not completely screw up the figure!

I'm personally just hoping they'll re-release Hsss in a year or so with corrected shoulders - then I'll just display the one I already have with the snake torso.

Thanks Robzy!

According to Toyguru, if there is a reissue the error will not be corrected as it would require a whole 'development slot' to do so. The only way that he would be released 'corrected' is if they retool the mold as a new release such as a 200X interpretation.

Thinking about it, it wouldn't take much effort to make a 200X Hiss from this mold. All that he needs is a new head, long loin cloth piece (like Carnivus) and that's about it.

[Tallestblue]

I did a modified version of hunter knight's fix (used the microwave and have never had any luck with superglue...) and well. there's not that much of a differenc,except the head is now bobbly as all get out. Hmmm.

[kup]

I did a modified version of hunter knight's fix (used the microwave and have never had any luck with superglue...) and well. there's not that much of a differenc,except the head is now bobbly as all get out. Hmmm.

Microwave? That sounds dangerous as the Microwave doesn't heat evenly and can overexcite some particles unevenly causing deformities, specially under the surface. Can I see pics? Mine was a massive improvement after the fix.

[Tallestblue]

the toy looks fine, I think by the torso may have expanded slightly or I was a bit too rough slicing the arm pegs

I placed the torso in a bowl of water and it seemed to work fine to make it pliable.

here's a pic

[kup]

the toy looks fine, I think by the torso may have expanded slightly or I was a bit too rough slicing the arm pegs

I placed the torso in a bowl of water and it seemed to work fine to make it pliable.

here's a pic

It looks ok although the pic makes it a little hard to see. If you are having joint problems after correcting it then I suspect that the microwave may have caused some subtle deformities on the figure.