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rampagesss
26th March 2011, 02:03 PM
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Hursticon
26th March 2011, 03:49 PM
*snip*

Aww man... :(
As stupidly expensive as they are, they're the sort of thing that shouldn't be KO'ed because every franchise needs it's next-to-unobtainable figures. ;)
If any good is to come out of this, hopefully it may cause TakaraTomy to take notice and quickly usher out some Reissues to combat this threat? - Another Dream you think? :o

Sky Shadow
26th March 2011, 03:55 PM
I agree with Hursticon - I hope TakaraTomy comes out with Big Mission Cassettes Volume 4 and 5 quick smart and screws over the knockoff makers.

VERT
26th March 2011, 04:38 PM
Oh NO! That sucks that I will now have a full set of tapebots hahahahah Not real I dont care :D:D

Skullcruncher
26th March 2011, 04:53 PM
Man I'm sure I posted a couple of hints to this in the last few months somewhere.... its sad but the originals were out of my price range so never on the to buy list.

It would be funny if the KO makers make some major mistake when producing them and they look just plain nasty like the clear KO's :D

GoktimusPrime
26th March 2011, 06:45 PM
Aaah crud, I still don't have Squawktalk (as the combiner cassettes were never released here)... :( I couldn't care less about the Japanese cassettes --- I didn't even know they existed until 11 years ago when I saw them in my Transformers Generations book!


I hope TakaraTomy comes out with Big Mission Cassettes Volume 4 and 5 quick smart and screws over the knockoff makers.
+∞

...and I hope someone gives these KOers repeated sharp kicks to the nards.

LordCyrusOmega
26th March 2011, 07:06 PM
My aim is to collect all the Decepticon cassettes. I an't do this because I'm to scared of ending up with a KO again.

This is why i avoid all things G1. D@%m KO's

valkyrie_76
26th March 2011, 08:32 PM
Interesting......time to tease a certain member about this :D

1AZRAEL1
27th March 2011, 09:59 AM
Well, as much as I hate KOs, I will probably buy these due to the stupidly expensive nature of them. I have the 2 Hasbro released combiners, but missing their weapons, but I really want those Dino cassettes.

liegeprime
27th March 2011, 06:21 PM
I want the dino cassettes. If Takara releases their all Jap exclusive Dinocassettes as the next encore or whatever they wanna call it series wave figures then Ill grab those instead, mebbe even two. Onc set to keep imprisoned in their case forever to make em more eeeevvvviiiilllll , evil I tell yah! mwahahahaha...:o

valkyrie_76
27th March 2011, 07:03 PM
I want the dino cassettes. If Takara releases their all Jap exclusive Dinocassettes as the next encore or whatever they wanna call it series wave figures then Ill grab those instead, mebbe even two. Onc set to keep imprisoned in their case forever to make em more eeeevvvviiiilllll , evil I tell yah! mwahahahaha...:o

That is probably the only way Ill get a set of Dinocassettes....unless someone wants to be nice to me.

reillyd
8th April 2011, 02:59 PM
I'd definitely buy them to complete my collection. My conscience will be clear in the knowledge that I'd also buy the encore release if/when they come out.

LordCyrusOmega
8th April 2011, 08:17 PM
Whats the quality like on these? I only need Squawktalk and Beastbox (Beatbox?) and if these are decent I may go there.
Afterall, they can't be anyworse then my G1 KO Frenzy

1AZRAEL1
8th April 2011, 08:28 PM
Whats the quality like on these? I only need Squawktalk and Beastbox (Beatbox?) and if these are decent I may go there.
Afterall, they can't be anyworse then my G1 KO Frenzy

We don't know yet, but if they are anything like the headmasters, they aren't bad.

LordCyrusOmega
8th April 2011, 08:59 PM
Maybe it will be worth it just to complete my decepticon cassettes. At least I know they are KO's

1AZRAEL1
8th April 2011, 09:13 PM
Maybe it will be worth it just to complete my decepticon cassettes. At least I know they are KO's

I'll get it as I know I will never track down the originals. If they do ever get reissued, I will buy it in a heartbeat, even if I got the KO.

LordCyrusOmega
8th April 2011, 10:06 PM
Tracking own originals ust isn't worth it. To many dodgy sellers. Been burnt before. At least if I buy KO i'll know they're KO so will have no reason to get mad.

valkyrie_76
8th April 2011, 10:49 PM
Looks like they are getting closer to being released as there is a picture of one so far that has been nearly finished.

Even though I dont get KO's, I might grab a set when they come out.

liegeprime
8th April 2011, 11:31 PM
Looks like they are getting closer to being released as there is a picture of one so far that has been nearly finished.

Even though I dont get KO's, I might grab a set when they come out.

pic link?:)

valkyrie_76
9th April 2011, 01:12 AM
pic link?:)

At the KOtoys.com site.

Apparently you need to log in to see the pics?

Skullcruncher
9th April 2011, 06:55 AM
Well can't say they don't listen to 'the people'.

Hes asking for people to send him headmasters, scorponok, victory or masterforce stuff.

Man would have never guessed they would do masterfrorce. :mad:

liegeprime
9th April 2011, 11:49 PM
Whats the quality like on these? I only need Squawktalk and Beastbox (Beatbox?) and if these are decent I may go there.
Afterall, they can't be anyworse then my G1 KO Frenzy

Skullcruncher has one set for sale I believe...

Hursticon
1st June 2011, 11:43 AM
...and courtesy of Seibertron.com (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/buyer-beware-ko-dinocassettes-and-cassette-combiners-in-vintage-style-packaging/21797/), further conformation of the Dino-Cassettes being KOed. :(

VERT
1st June 2011, 11:50 AM
Oh NO! I was going to look for a real set! Sure I would have to sell my car to do it... Guess I will just have to settle for reasonable quality Near perfect reproductions. Not like I will even remember in 20 years. :D

YEAH THANKS KO DEMONS :D

liegeprime
1st June 2011, 12:05 PM
OKaaay I can live with that, it's the selling of these things online at "original toy price" pricing that bugs me to no end.....

Skullcruncher
1st June 2011, 02:14 PM
Even the original boxes and instructios, thats just nasty for someone trying to buy an original.

griffin
1st June 2011, 03:59 PM
Reproductions would be okay if they were distinctly different in some way and in odd packaging, as it would give the fans of the toys a cheaper alternative (those who would be picky over the differences would be more likely willing to pay the price of the real things)... but releasing them exactly like the original, and in replica packaging, only benefits deceptive dealers who try to list them as originals or scuff up the packaging to make them look old/legit.

jaydisc
1st June 2011, 07:20 PM
Personally, I'm just as interested in the replica packaging as I am the toys. To each their own.

reillyd
6th June 2011, 09:45 AM
The packaging samples look awesome, seem to resemble the original Takara boxes. I know I could never afford them, and wouldn't keep the packaging either (unless its cheap enough for a MISB spare), and will be just thrilled to finish my cassette collection

valkyrie_76
6th June 2011, 10:31 AM
The packaging samples look awesome, seem to resemble the original Takara boxes. I know I could never afford them, and wouldn't keep the packaging either (unless its cheap enough for a MISB spare), and will be just thrilled to finish my cassette collection

Yeah I am in the same boat too. Would love to have these but then I dont want KO's.

*sigh*

Tober
28th September 2011, 08:01 AM
For better or worse it looks like these dinos are getting closer to release:

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/topic,1715.msg14659.html#msg14659

liegeprime
28th September 2011, 09:19 PM
Well, just hope these don't go for e-hobby/botcon high prices even though they are 3rd party KOs, the way those headmasters went....

reillyd
1st October 2011, 06:05 PM
For better or worse it looks like these dinos are getting closer to release:

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/topic,1715.msg14659.html#msg14659

I'd been checking every few days for weeks now, and had given up hope. The 'vibe' in the thread was getting pretty desperate and bleak, that they might have been raided. Silly how rumours start up isn't it.

bowspearer
1st October 2011, 06:26 PM
I don't see a problem with these, on 2 conditions. They release box art different to the originals. They've already done it with the HM heads and Reflector so there's no reason why they couldn't do the same here.

The other thing is altering the date stamp to say KO toys.

That way everyone is covered.

I'll definitely pick up a set is Grandslam and Raindance are a part of it.

I notice people here slagging off about the KO companies, but let's be honest- would the market be there if HasTak were reissuing them to being with? Look at Devastator- should have been a dead set no-brainer as reissues go. Yet it's taken almost a decade of reissues coming out and countless knock-offs before Takara woke up (Hasbro STILL seems asleep at the wheel on this one) and actually decided to reissue it.

The reality is that if it wasn't for the KO companies, we'd STILL be waiting for Devastator and things like the HM heads and combiner cassettes would never see the light of day as reissues.

Tober
4th October 2011, 07:30 AM
Oh dear, the KO Dino cassettes of Zaur and Dial are up for pre-order...

...beware (https://kotoys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_121_911&products_id=932&zenid=3ce5d65d7ba60390b077d3efffea8c65). :rolleyes:

5FDP
4th October 2011, 08:47 AM
I notice people here slagging off about the KO companies, but let's be honest- would the market be there if HasTak were reissuing them to being with?

I'm not one vehemently oppose KO's (I actually own some), but I disagree with your comment. Just because I leave my front door open doesn't mean people have the right to enter my home and steal my property.

reillyd
4th October 2011, 03:06 PM
I'm not one vehemently oppose KO's (I actually own some), but I disagree with your comment. Just because I leave my front door open doesn't mean people have the right to enter my home and steal my property.

So.... you say you leave your door open, and you're a transformer collector.

[evil thoughts]

What was your address again?

llamatron
5th October 2011, 10:10 PM
Super pumped for these guys.

VERT
5th October 2011, 10:25 PM
Oh im so getting this :D

KaRNiV8L PRiME
5th October 2011, 11:11 PM
Have pre-ordered!

reillyd
8th October 2011, 06:54 PM
Pre-orders are up already? Awesome (for me) but not so good for hardcore Japanese collectors I suspect.

valkyrie_76
8th October 2011, 09:54 PM
Dammit.......*sigh* pre-ordered :o

liegeprime
9th October 2011, 06:24 PM
Pre ordered.... two:o well at least Im not alone in the basement anymore, it's getting crowded though...:p

KaRNiV8L PRiME
9th October 2011, 06:32 PM
Pre ordered.... two:o well at least Im not alone in the basement anymore, it's getting crowded though...:p

Also bit the bullet

Skullcruncher
10th October 2011, 11:42 AM
Melty face transformers!!! Unacceptable.

liegeprime
10th October 2011, 06:28 PM
Melty face transformers!!! Unacceptable.

what,:confused: huh?

Skullcruncher
10th October 2011, 07:35 PM
what,:confused: huh?

In some of the preview photos of them so far the faces look a bit melted.....

reillyd
11th October 2011, 06:59 PM
Looks like Abominus (combiner) is coming out in a few months too....

liegeprime
12th October 2011, 12:26 AM
OH I do hope those get sorted out in the final products...

bowspearer
12th October 2011, 09:03 AM
I'm holding off on these- at least until I know that there are SOME differences between these and the originals.

1orion2many
12th October 2011, 02:18 PM
Dammit.......*sigh* pre-ordered :o

Jellyfish spine anyone:confused::p:D

valkyrie_76
12th October 2011, 05:33 PM
Jellyfish spine anyone:confused::p:D

Heh dont come crying to me then when you buy them :D:D

1orion2many
14th October 2011, 11:05 AM
Heh dont come crying to me then when you buy them :D:D

Only if you ordered 2 sets otherwise I'm too lazy to chase up these kind of things:p:D Still have some G1 originals I want to chase up so KO's of very expensive cassettes is way down on my list as wants;)

liegeprime
25th October 2011, 09:53 AM
MY KO dinocassettes have arrived!! wow that was quick:D:D Ill post up pics (sigh if only I had the original for comparison pics:o) once my camera battery has recharged

Hursticon
25th October 2011, 10:26 AM
MY KO dinocassettes have arrived!! wow that was quick:D:D Ill post up pics (sigh if only I had the original for comparison pics:o) once my camera battery has recharged

Ooh, intrigued to hear your thoughts and observations on these Liege. :cool:
(Too right, that was bloody quick huh!?! :eek:)

liegeprime
25th October 2011, 11:56 AM
okay this is going to be a pic heavy post.......

KO Dino Cassettes

The two are light compared to the original cassettrons, the plastic is of same quality as that of the previously released KOs of Rumble/Lazerbeak which feels light to touch and kinda weak plastic but not easy to break thank goodness. The screws and rivets are not perfect on my pieces. Most of the screw heads have been worn out prolly when the factory worker assembling it used a strong setting for the electric screw driver. The joints are not too tight , some are a bit loose but it'll do. The detailing on the mold is clear - not very crisp but just right by me. they look pretty bland to be honest without stickers on. I havent tried putting the stickers on - Ill reserve that on my day off so I wont be hurried and mess it up. Dunno if these stickers are that good as well - ill comment on that when I apply them. Good thing I wasn't expecting much as I know these re KOs but overall Im very pleased and that they display well with the other original cassettrons makes me a happy owner.:D:D:D Now for the pics - pardon for those with slower internet :o:o It comes with a couple of accessories which are chromed but you can easily tell it's a KO chrome. the combined mode is, meh. But then, I guess even in the original the combined mode is meh looking. Overall they did a pretty good work on these tapes. Can't wait for the other 2 to come out. I give it an 9/10 KO points.:)

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reillyd
25th October 2011, 05:25 PM
I'm so impressed by how quickly it arrived. I wasn't going to rush ordering, hoping that I could combine with the next lot of cassettes, but after seeing your pictures.... gosh darn it..... I've just got to go order now.


Is that white and gold condor/frenzy a KO as well. I've never seen those colours before.

hanprimus
25th October 2011, 06:12 PM
Thanks for sharing Liege. Nice review.

liegeprime
26th October 2011, 08:05 AM
Thanks Hanprimus.


I'm so impressed by how quickly it arrived. I wasn't going to rush ordering, hoping that I could combine with the next lot of cassettes, but after seeing your pictures.... gosh darn it..... I've just got to go order now.

Is that white and gold condor/frenzy a KO as well. I've never seen those colours before.

You better place your order, as they might run out...
Yup! The White Frenzy and Laserbeak (sold as a 2 pack) is KO as well, it was a special edition:p release ( geez what has gotten into this world - KOs having special limited edition releases hehehe) - Im planning (still planning) to get me those Reprolabel custom upgrades stickers and change them to

Whitenoise
http://www.reprolabels.com/Misc/whitenoise.php

and the white lasebeak Ill just add an autobot symbol and rename it Echo :D

Skullcruncher
27th October 2011, 01:21 PM
Interesting... thanks for sharing liege - hopefully someone with the originals will do a direct side by side comparison.

Oh so only 2 out of the 4 were KO'd?

rampagesss
27th October 2011, 04:03 PM
Interesting... thanks for sharing liege - hopefully someone with the originals will do a direct side by side comparison.

Oh so only 2 out of the 4 were KO'd?

Here some Comparison so you can see how to spot the differences
http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/57

liegeprime
27th October 2011, 07:54 PM
Interesting... thanks for sharing liege - hopefully someone with the originals will do a direct side by side comparison.

Oh so only 2 out of the 4 were KO'd?

Just these 2 so far, they have the other two on the works still I suppose, as that was apparently what the creators have planned...

KaRNiV8L PRiME
27th October 2011, 08:11 PM
Can't wait to pick mine up tomorrow!!!

liegeprime
27th October 2011, 09:55 PM
Some more pics with the stickers applied. Thank goodness for tweezers:p. The stickers are of same foil quality as those used for original cassettrons, nice and sticky hopefully these last and dont peel quickly... not sure if there's a reprolabels available ( at least for back up in the future). With the addition of the stickers, they don't look so plain anymore and it helps hide/cover most of the worn out looking screwheads/rivet heads. It fits well in the cassette player. Not too tight. I wouldve used Blaster but mine keep getting it's deck door stuck and Im reluctant to pry it open as I might break it and end up needing to buy another:rolleyes:

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rampagesss
30th October 2011, 05:11 PM
Love these guys so much! mine have nice tight joints which is good, Only problems i have had have been little. Weapons a little tight to peg in so just sanded down the chrome and had to trim down some of the stickers a tiny bit.

But over all if your thinking of getting them do it! there awesome and can't wait for the other 2 :D

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KillinSpoon
30th October 2011, 05:34 PM
I can't help but laugh at your Prime.
What the hell is he doing/about todo? :P

GoktimusPrime
30th October 2011, 05:34 PM
The melty face on counterfeit Legout looks horrible. :(

Skullcruncher
3rd November 2011, 11:07 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transformers-Japanese-G1-Dinosaur-Cassettes-DIAL-and-ZAUR-MINT-FREE-SHIPPING-/190596018020?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c60686f64

It has started....... I know a pair of the KO's went for well over $1000 in japan recently... poor bugger who ended up winning.

1orion2many
3rd November 2011, 12:37 PM
:rolleyes:What a joke:(

Hursticon
3rd November 2011, 02:32 PM
That is really sad, but what is sadder is the fact that it was entirely inevitable and apart from giving eBay prior notice; there is very little we can do about it. :(

GoktimusPrime
3rd November 2011, 03:01 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how much the originals of these sell for these days, like say if you found them in a Japanese collectibles store like Hero Gangu or Mandarake (Hero Gangu's prices are stupidly overpriced IMHO) -- but still, I wonder how they'd compare...

Hursticon
3rd November 2011, 04:02 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how much the originals of these sell for these days, like say if you found them in a Japanese collectibles store like Hero Gangu or Mandarake (Hero Gangu's prices are stupidly overpriced IMHO) -- but still, I wonder how they'd compare...

Hit up HD for an answer to that man, he's one of the members who've most recently bought the 4 of them that I know of. :o

Prowl
3rd November 2011, 05:09 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transformers-Japanese-G1-Dinosaur-Cassettes-DIAL-and-ZAUR-MINT-FREE-SHIPPING-/190596018020?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c60686f64

It has started....... I know a pair of the KO's went for well over $1000 in japan recently... poor bugger who ended up winning.


This seller has done the right thing by stating clearly in his auction that they are unofficial reissues & is not claiming they are genuine G1 items magically found in a time capsule. He is simply stating the facts as they stand & anyone who is duped by this seller has only themselves to blame.

I will say that it is somewhat deceptive if you fail to read the full item listing as he is getting rid of his transformers lovingly collected over many years but then says his mate brought them back from Japan.

Lets be realistic the only people who will buy this are collectors & if you don't do your research before buying I can't have much pity on you.

This is not the line that a person looking to start a collection will be going for either.


In this auction you will receive:

C-123 DIAL - New Complete Mint In Box - Unofficial Re-issue
C-124 ZAUR - New Complete Mint In Box - Unofficial Re-issue

My friend brought these back from Japan on his latest trip and while they are not original G1 cassettes, they are the best you can get for under $3,000!

The originals command ridiculous prices and these are in BRAND NEW, NEVER TRANSFORMED condition with minty CHROME WEAPONS!!

I do have another set I have opened and played with and the joints are not super tight, though they will hold poses and will display nicely!

These cassettes also combine to form Legout!

The sticker sheets are even unused!

Hursticon
3rd November 2011, 05:39 PM
I think it's the term 'Re-Issue' that throws a lot of people off as it has a sound of 'sanctioning' about it, where in reality they are purely stolen property. :o
I agree that research is key, but these KO's should never of gone for anything over $40 Max IMO. ;)

Prowl
3rd November 2011, 06:55 PM
I think it's the term 'Re-Issue' that throws a lot of people off as it has a sound of 'sanctioning' about it, where in reality they are purely stolen property. :o
I agree that research is key, but these KO's should never of gone for anything over $40 Max IMO. ;)

No doubt it is stolen but calling it an Unofficial Reissue makes it pretty clear to all but the most dim witted of folks.

There is no doubt looking at the quality of the KO's that morally bankrupt sellers will take advantage of this to rip off buyers. That said they are specialist Transformers that only the collectors would target & most people looking to buy these know they are KO's.

Skullcruncher
3rd November 2011, 06:56 PM
This seller has done the right thing by stating clearly in his auction that they are unofficial reissues & is not claiming they are genuine G1 items magically found in a time capsule. He is simply stating the facts as they stand & anyone who is duped by this seller has only themselves to blame.

I will say that it is somewhat deceptive if you fail to read the full item listing as he is getting rid of his transformers lovingly collected over many years but then says his mate brought them back from Japan.

Lets be realistic the only people who will buy this are collectors & if you don't do your research before buying I can't have much pity on you.

This is not the line that a person looking to start a collection will be going for either.

Anyone who recently got an item and then sells it on straight away is only looking for profit. The really dishonest sellers who would sell their grandmother for a dollar are the ones who make up storys to sound more legit. His friend brought them Japan? Please!?! They have only been posted out recently to people who preordered them. Most likely he preordered 2 sets with the intention of selling it on quickly before all collectors caught on.

GoktimusPrime
3rd November 2011, 07:22 PM
His friend brought them Japan? Please!?!
I've heard that it's really hard to find KOs in Japan anyway. I've certainly never seen any KOs in Japan. Not impossible, but a lot harder than other places (unlike say China where finding KOs is way easier than finding legit TFs :mad:)

KillinSpoon
3rd November 2011, 08:18 PM
Anyone who recently got an item and then sells it on straight away is only looking for profit. The really dishonest sellers who would sell their grandmother for a dollar are the ones who make up storys to sound more legit. His friend brought them Japan? Please!?! They have only been posted out recently to people who preordered them. Most likely he preordered 2 sets with the intention of selling it on quickly before all collectors caught on.

Check his other auctions though, they're big lots.
Could be legit.

liegeprime
4th November 2011, 11:05 PM
KO toys are the best to deal with Always so helpful. Some times I have even been sent extra parts. But still waiting for mine to arrive. Been a slow mail week. :D Guess they will show with Powerglide next week :D

POWERGLIDE?:confused:

VERT
5th November 2011, 10:09 PM
Yeah Powerglide :D https://kotoys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_920_921&products_id=938&zenid=b839ab07c2224311daa3812523ba3a1f

griffin
9th November 2011, 11:24 AM
In light of the recent increase in interest, and the positive comments towards KOs in this section, I need to remind people of the purpose of this section:


KOs and counterfeit/replica items must not be promoted/sold here - only post about them to help others know how to avoid getting fooled by them. If you want KOs, search google for them.

That also means that if you want to talk favourably about them, or talk about any that you recently (intentionally) purchased, please take it to a messageboard that solicits discussion of counterfeit Transformers.
If you want to help out other fans, post up ways of identifying the fakes (without promoting it of course).

reillyd
15th November 2011, 03:03 PM
Yeah Powerglide :D

That's the KO of the Wonderfest Garage kit, no? It was originally licensed from Takara...... I don't think that license would apply now though.

Also, if you weren't aware, Powerglide mini-bot has been knocked off before :(
You can get him in the Transformers Collection (TFC) release from '04 but I don't think he was released in encore.

KaRNiV8L PRiME
20th November 2011, 03:40 PM
Looks like KO CASSETTES SQUALKTALK BEASTBOX GRANDSLAM and RAINDANCE (https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/topic,1715.645.html)are close to release

4558

GoktimusPrime
20th November 2011, 06:22 PM
...I don't have Squawktalk... should I be concerned? Or are people more likely to not separate these KOs and sell them as lots? (e.g. Squawktalk w/ Beastbox)

What I mean is, if I see Squawktalk sold on his on, do you guys reckon there's a good chance it'd be legit? Or should I play it safe and try to gets myself a Squawktalk ASAP before the KO come out?

KaRNiV8L PRiME
20th November 2011, 06:42 PM
...I don't have Squawktalk... should I be concerned? Or are people more likely to not separate these KOs and sell them as lots? (e.g. Squawktalk w/ Beastbox)

What I mean is, if I see Squawktalk sold on his on, do you guys reckon there's a good chance it'd be legit? Or should I play it safe and try to gets myself a Squawktalk ASAP before the KO come out?

i'd be looking now. They say these KOs will be available by end of month. I'm sure there will be slight differences with the original and KO though

kup
20th November 2011, 07:09 PM
...I don't have Squawktalk... should I be concerned? Or are people more likely to not separate these KOs and sell them as lots? (e.g. Squawktalk w/ Beastbox)

What I mean is, if I see Squawktalk sold on his on, do you guys reckon there's a good chance it'd be legit? Or should I play it safe and try to gets myself a Squawktalk ASAP before the KO come out?

Do what I did. When there were hints of an imminent KO release, I used to rush and buy the real one before it happened.

GoktimusPrime
20th November 2011, 10:50 PM
Better safe than sorry. Thanks for the advice guys. :)

KaRNiV8L PRiME
21st November 2011, 02:13 PM
Squalkbox and Slamdance pre-orders are up. Expected to ship in 7-15 days. Buyers beware

bowspearer
21st November 2011, 08:35 PM
Just got Slamdance on ebay as a preemptive move because of these scumbags. Hopefully I can also pick up Beastbox too before these hit eBay. :mad::mad:

griffin
22nd November 2011, 01:19 AM
(moved posts about KOTOYS to their own feedback topic (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=12498))

heroic_decepticon
24th November 2011, 02:00 AM
Hit up HD for an answer to that man, he's one of the members who've most recently bought the 4 of them that I know of. :o

I can give that answer over PM :D


Interesting......time to tease a certain member about this :D

who?


That is probably the only way Ill get a set of Dinocassettes....unless someone wants to be nice to me.

who again? :D


Just these 2 so far, they have the other two on the works still I suppose, as that was apparently what the creators have planned...

I going to speak slightly in code here, but I think the "other 2" may take some time before they see a release. Some KO company has indirectly approached someone who owns the originals and asked for certain things re the other 2 - they don't have all it takes to make the release. They have been turned down by the person of course. So until they find someone else with the originals willing to provide what they need, the "other 2" may take some time to see the light of day.


Do what I did. When there were hints of an imminent KO release, I used to rush and buy the real one before it happened.

Agree that's the best plan!

bowspearer
24th November 2011, 02:07 AM
It might take even longer thanks to a certain phone call last night ;)

Hursticon
24th November 2011, 09:36 AM
Just found this listing on eBay UK (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-G1-JAPANESE-EXLCLUSIVE-CASSETTE-COMBINERS-DARIU-ZAURU-MIB-/220899441531?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionF igures_JN&hash=item336ea1fb7b) guys, so be aware that it would seem that some sellers are willing to be as dubious as to only mention their 'reissue' nature in the listing's description and not in the listing's heading/title. :rolleyes:

bowspearer
24th November 2011, 11:32 AM
Just found this listing on eBay UK (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-G1-JAPANESE-EXLCLUSIVE-CASSETTE-COMBINERS-DARIU-ZAURU-MIB-/220899441531?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionF igures_JN&hash=item336ea1fb7b) guys, so be aware that it would seem that some sellers are willing to be as dubious as to only mention their 'reissue' nature in the listing's description and not in the listing's heading/title. :rolleyes:

This was always going to happen, despite the claims of others across in multiple forums. I've reported the item. I hope others do the same.

reillyd
3rd December 2011, 01:38 PM
I broke down and ordered a set of the cassettes, and they arrived this week.
All safe and sound, by the way, from a certain retailer.

But my post is not to review their service and reliability, but the rather poor quality of the product. At first, I was just thrilled to finally have my very first piece of Japanese toy packaging, and planned to display them just behind my two dinos. I don't know how the originals were produced, but this is a single piece of cardboard folded to make a box, and then the "tab" part that sticks up from the square box is glued together. Extremely flimsily. to the point where the glue was peeling on one of them, and just looked so tacky.

I can't believe that anyone buying these toys will mistake them from the original. the cassettes themselves don't come with the stickers applied, and there is no sticker instruction sheet. My hands have microtremors, which makes applying ANY stickers a little difficult, but the complexity of these dinos and number of separate stickers made for a rather messy job. Many times I had to reapply, because there were no instructions on which stickers went where. I'm guessing the originals didn't have these problems, and came applied (just like the Encore cassettes).

The raptor cassette is just beautiful, and very impressive. He's my favourite of the bunch. The one that looks like a diplodocus (sp?) has serious quality contol problems. The head/neck just won't stay up. Even if you delicately pose it, within a few minutes it just droops again. I think this is the quality of the little metal screws/rivets/nuts, whatever they are called. I might have to try and pop them out and replace them, but with my hands it isn't an easy job
and I'm not mechanically minded to find the right one at a hardware store.

Your mileage may vary, but if all of these have the same quality problems, I can guarantee that if you buy one or both of these loose on ebay, you will be able to tell the genuine from the knock-off rather easily. Also, the sticker sheets just do NOT match the box art. I don't know whether the box art and photos never matched the deco of the originals, but you can also see that the colour of these characters is quite off compared to the actual toy as well.

Hopefully some of you may find this information useful. I don't want to "knock" the knock-off - its rather affordable for collectors compared to the original, but I'd bin mine in a heartbeat if reissued in encore. It just isn't very well executed. I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone, unless you're good with making modifications to robots for loose joints.

Cat
3rd December 2011, 05:40 PM
KOToys = closing down.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

bowspearer
3rd December 2011, 06:30 PM
At the risk of turning myself into a pariah in the fandom again, I have a confession to make. After I got banned from KO Toys' forums for voicing concerns over there being no intentionally built in differences between the KO Dino cassettes they were making and the genuine article, I did an IP check and found out their website was hosted in the US. About a week and a half ago, I used the international minutes on my mobile to report them the Hasbro, including giving them their IP address, and website address. Looks like they acted pretty swiftly on this one.

Some people might hate me for this, but I'm proud of what I did and I'd do it again. Contrary to their claims, KO Toys were giving scammers cart blanche to pass off fakes as genuine G1 Toys, which has even proven true in at least one eBay auction for the Dino Cassettes.

HasTak certainly need to get better with their reissues, and there's certainly a market for access to these molds. However if someone is genuinely about "filling gaps" then this needs to be done in such a way that scammers can't rip people off in the process.

valkyrie_76
3rd December 2011, 06:32 PM
KOToys = closing down.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

It is?

Damn Ill have to make an order soon for some kitbashing. Rather use the KO stuff than the original stuff.

Hursticon
3rd December 2011, 06:40 PM
KOToys = closing down.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I honestly would have to agree here. :cool:

Whilst it is obvious that KOToys isn't necessarily creating all of their KO items, what is more obvious is the rather cost effective long term strategy Has/Tak is employing in the combat against infringements against their Intellectual Property. ;)
Good on 'em, eventually if they cut off enough Limbs then there wont be anything to feed the Head. :)

5FDP
3rd December 2011, 09:55 PM
At the risk of turning myself into a pariah in the fandom again, I have a confession to make. After I got banned from KO Toys' forums for voicing concerns over there being no intentionally built in differences between the KO Dino cassettes they were making and the genuine article, I did an IP check and found out their website was hosted in the US. About a week and a half ago, I used the international minutes on my mobile to report them the Hasbro, including giving them their IP address, hosting company (which is based in Michigan) and website address. Looks like they acted pretty swiftly on this one.

What... so Hasbro are allowing KO Toys to keep their site live in order to flog-off the remainder of their stock out of sheer kindness :rolleyes: Hasbro have been aware of KO Toys and where they operate from for years.

Cat
3rd December 2011, 10:25 PM
Bowspearer - A) Good on you.

B) BUT I'd suggest removing the post. The guy from KOToys is a vindictive arsehole known for harassment and insanity.

Save yourself any potential drama, IMO. It's just not worth the risk.

C) Marry me.

bowspearer
3rd December 2011, 10:52 PM
What... so Hasbro are allowing KO Toys to keep their site live in order to flog-off the remainder of their stock out of sheer kindness :rolleyes: Hasbro have been aware of KO Toys and where they operate from for years.

Who knows, I never heard back from Hasbro, so maybe it's just a coincidence. On the other hand, maybe there were rumblings and KO Toys got nervous. Maybe my phone call had nothing do do with what has gone down. I just like the thought of potentially having made a difference here. Even if I didn't. it was still worth it and I'm still proud of it.


Bowspearer - A) Good on you.

Thanks, it was partly self serving though as this was bound to affect me as a collector and other collectors down the track.


B) BUT I'd suggest removing the post. The guy from KOToys is a vindictive arsehole known for harassment and insanity.

Save yourself any potential drama, IMO. It's just not worth the risk.

Last I checked, Australia has extradition treaties with China (where I believe he resides),the USA and Canada. If he ever got to violent and threatening, I'd simply contact the AFP ;). At that point I'm fairly certain there would be grounds there for him to be refused entry if he ever did come over here, so I should be pretty safe. Besides if I got any abusive emails, I'd simply block him and report him to his ISPs.

After having another psychopath by the name of Don Murphy (yes, Transformers movie producer Don Murphy), to the point where he even pretended to be me to vandalise Wikipedia articles he didn't like while constantly harassing me on AIM; I can handle this guy. ;)


C) Marry me.

I'm flattered, but I suspect that if I entertain the notion, my girlfriend will murder me.:D

Cat
4th December 2011, 02:07 AM
Now I'm crushed, man.


EDIT: But seriously, at the very least, PLEASE edit out some of the info you passed along, as your statements provide VERY good ideas of how the guy can start operating again.

bowspearer
4th December 2011, 02:17 PM
But seriously, at the very least, PLEASE edit out some of the info you passed along, as your statements provide VERY good ideas of how the guy can start operating again.

I've edited it, but it's gone viral in a way with multiple people on here and on the Seibertron boards quoting and discussing it.

That said, if the guy has even half a brain, he'll see that replicating the packaging to the point where scammers get a free pass, not only makes enemies out of HasTak, but also of the very fans and collectors they want to sell to.

The irony of this is I went from wanting to buy a set of Dino cassettes, to reporting them to Hasbro, all because of that packaging issue. There's a lesson for them to learn there if they really do want to operate successfully.

kup
4th December 2011, 07:23 PM
At the risk of turning myself into a pariah in the fandom again, I have a confession to make. After I got banned from KO Toys' forums for voicing concerns over there being no intentionally built in differences between the KO Dino cassettes they were making and the genuine article, I did an IP check and found out their website was hosted in the US. About a week and a half ago, I used the international minutes on my mobile to report them the Hasbro, including giving them their IP address, and website address. Looks like they acted pretty swiftly on this one.

Some people might hate me for this, but I'm proud of what I did and I'd do it again. Contrary to their claims, KO Toys were giving scammers cart blanche to pass off fakes as genuine G1 Toys, which has even proven true in at least one eBay auction for the Dino Cassettes.

HasTak certainly need to get better with their reissues, and there's certainly a market for access to these molds. However if someone is genuinely about "filling gaps" then this needs to be done in such a way that scammers can't rip people off in the process.

I thought they were closing due to internal problems nothing to do with Hasbro. As it has already been said, Hasbro is not ignorant of KOToys and other websites promoting KOs, they just choose to do nothing about it.

bowspearer
4th December 2011, 08:12 PM
I thought they were closing due to internal problems nothing to do with Hasbro. As it has already been said, Hasbro is not ignorant of KOToys and other websites promoting KOs, they just choose to do nothing about it.

Maybe the phone call had nothing to do with it. However there was some other information I found and provided them with (which I have since edited to remove) which would have made taking them down dead easy for Hasbro to do.

Cat
4th December 2011, 09:05 PM
I thought they were closing due to internal problems nothing to do with Hasbro. As it has already been said, Hasbro is not ignorant of KOToys and other websites promoting KOs, they just choose to do nothing about it.

Nah, that was definitely not it.

Skullcruncher
4th December 2011, 09:32 PM
I thought they were closing due to internal problems nothing to do with Hasbro. As it has already been said, Hasbro is not ignorant of KOToys and other websites promoting KOs, they just choose to do nothing about it.

Likely - if it were hasbro, Chimungmung and Chms would be going too and there would be a good chance of some sort of press release.

The guy probably went mad from all the money he has made :D

Give it a few months and notkotoys.com will be up. :rolleyes:

canofwhoopass_87
5th December 2011, 02:36 PM
KOToys = closing down.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Lol that's actually pretty good news. No more depreciation in value of our beloved vintage G1's!


Maybe the phone call had nothing to do with it. However there was some other information I found and provided them with (which I have since edited to remove) which would have made taking them down dead easy for Hasbro to do.

Nah man. Don't go acting all one-man-army / it-was-all-me / rambo on the announcement of kotoys closing. We all know heavenly forces were truly at work here.



The guy probably went mad from all the money he has made :D

Give it a few months and notkotoys.com will be up. :rolleyes:

Lolll

heroic_decepticon
5th December 2011, 02:53 PM
KOToys = closing down.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Amen

bowspearer
5th December 2011, 03:19 PM
Likely - if it were hasbro, Chimungmung

Not true. As one board member has requested I not mention certain details, I wont publicly say why due to this possibly being read publicly. However there is one significant difference between KOToys and Chimungmung.


Nah man. Don't go acting all one-man-army / it-was-all-me / rambo on the announcement of kotoys closing. We all know heavenly forces were truly at work here.

We have no idea whether it was or wasn't that phone call- either by providing valuable info, or simply being one complaint too many- that caused this to happen. The reason I think it might is because of the timing involved (Hasbro would need a couple of weeks to investigate, pass it through the proper channels and then act).

I do know that the woman I spoke to over the phone at Hasbro customer service was very grateful for the info.

Also how do you know that if heavenly forces were at work here, that I wasn't merely one of the instruments used to make this happen. ;)

If it was me then the lesson is clear- never screw up a fan's chance at one of their grails (Slamdance). :D:p

Skullcruncher
5th December 2011, 05:44 PM
Not true. As one board member has requested I not mention certain details, I wont publicly say why due to this possibly being read publicly. However there is one significant difference between KOToys and Chimungmung.


You like one and not the other? :p heh who would ever know the real story they are all 'friends' as has been factually stated on another board.

With one major players gone the source where all the KO's are made would still be there so I wouldn't put money on not seeing a KO G1 Weird Wolf, Slam Dance etc, "Knocking Off" KO toys may just delay these guys.

bowspearer
5th December 2011, 06:20 PM
You like one and not the other? :p heh who would ever know the real story they are all 'friends' as has been factually stated on another board.

Pmed you what the difference is between the 2 is.


With one major players gone the source where all the KO's are made would still be there so I wouldn't put money on not seeing a KO G1 Weird Wolf, Slam Dance etc, "Knocking Off" KO toys may just delay these guys.

Yes but in this case something could be done about it, and in similar cases, the same will be true.

Also things are eventually going to get to the point where China will be forced to act of Hasbro will move their production facilities elsewhere, potentially costing the Chinese economy trillions.

kup
6th December 2011, 09:52 AM
Pmed you what the difference is between the 2 is.



Yes but in this case something could be done about it, and in similar cases, the same will be true.

Also things are eventually going to get to the point where China will be forced to act of Hasbro will move their production facilities elsewhere, potentially costing the Chinese economy trillions.

I seriously doubt Hasbro is involved at all with KO Toys closing or that they will do anything about chinese counterfeits aside from blowing and puffing.

bowspearer
6th December 2011, 10:04 AM
I seriously doubt Hasbro is involved at all with KO Toys closing or that they will do anything about chinese counterfeits aside from blowing and puffing.

Actually there's one particular difference in the case of KOToys, which again, I'm not mentioning publicly at the request of one forum member.

canofwhoopass_87
6th December 2011, 10:08 AM
I seriously doubt Hasbro is involved at all with KO Toys closing or that they will do anything about chinese counterfeits aside from blowing and puffing.

On the KOtoys forum itself (link below courtesy of fullmetalhero) the store owner says he was pressured into shutting down by some "company". Whether or not it was actually Hasbro, we're yet to find out.

What's interesting though is that he's still siphoning / liquidating the remaining stock and honoring preorders. The crackdown by this unknown company on KOtoys clearly hasn't taken on a very hardline approach if he's still able to operate for the remainder of the year.

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/topic,2161.0.html

bowspearer
6th December 2011, 10:10 AM
On the KOtoys forum itself (link below courtesy of fullmetalhero) the store owner says he was pressured into shutting down by some "company". Whether or not it was actually Hasbro, we're yet to find out.

What's interesting though is that he's still siphoning / liquidating the remaining stock and honoring preorders. The crackdown by this unknown company on KOtoys clearly hasn't taken on a very hardline approach if he's still able to operate.

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/topic,2161.0.html

It may well be that Hasbro have looked into it and the legal costs outweigh the gains from taking action against Mike/Kate/GenZhao, so this is the best option for them. Annoying as all hell that the KO G1 Combiner cassettes are going to make it onto the market though.

5FDP
6th December 2011, 12:16 PM
On the KOtoys forum itself (link below courtesy of fullmetalhero) the store owner says he was pressured into shutting down by some "company". Whether or not it was actually Hasbro, we're yet to find out.

Someone else mentioned that maybe Fun Publications had something to do with it so they might be 'the company'. Maybe in response to complaints received at this years BotCon about KO's being sold at an official convention.


What's interesting though is that he's still siphoning / liquidating the remaining stock and honoring preorders. The crackdown by this unknown company on KOtoys clearly hasn't taken on a very hardline approach if he's still able to operate for the remainder of the year.

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/topic,2161.0.html

1,000,000% agree

kup
6th December 2011, 01:43 PM
On the KOtoys forum itself (link below courtesy of fullmetalhero) the store owner says he was pressured into shutting down by some "company". Whether or not it was actually Hasbro, we're yet to find out.

What's interesting though is that he's still siphoning / liquidating the remaining stock and honoring preorders. The crackdown by this unknown company on KOtoys clearly hasn't taken on a very hardline approach if he's still able to operate for the remainder of the year.

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/topic,2161.0.html

That's the main reason why I think Hasbro had nothing to do with it. They would have shut them down completely not allow the to sell their remaining stock like a normal shop going out of business.

bowspearer
6th December 2011, 02:51 PM
That's the main reason why I think Hasbro had nothing to do with it. They would have shut them down completely not allow the to sell their remaining stock like a normal shop going out of business.

It could well be. The thing is with this that KO Toys had managed to piss off that many groups that this was inevitable- fans by facilitating scam artists (the very fans they were claiming they were marketting to), Hasbro and FP into the mix.

I honestly can't think of a more disastrous PR situation for a toy/collectibles company in recent years.

kup
6th December 2011, 06:05 PM
It could well be. The thing is with this that KO Toys had managed to piss off that many groups that this was inevitable- fans by facilitating scam artists (the very fans they were claiming they were marketting to), Hasbro and FP into the mix.

I honestly can't think of a more disastrous PR situation for a toy/collectibles company in recent years.

you know what? What if FP was responsible for it? technically FP is legit and should have enough weight to threaten them into closing.

bowspearer
6th December 2011, 07:21 PM
you know what? What if FP was responsible for it? technically FP is legit and should have enough weight to threaten them into closing.

I was never saying they weren't. What I am saying is that it's an interesting situation, considering the groups they'd managed to alienate. If it was Hasbro though, I have no doubt that KOToys would still have referred to them as "some company".

I think the only way you'll get an answer is if the other party that forced their hand actually comes forward and says so.

Cat
7th December 2011, 01:47 AM
On the KOtoys forum itself (link below courtesy of fullmetalhero) the store owner says he was pressured into shutting down by some "company". Whether or not it was actually Hasbro, we're yet to find out.

What's interesting though is that he's still siphoning / liquidating the remaining stock and honoring preorders. The crackdown by this unknown company on KOtoys clearly hasn't taken on a very hardline approach if he's still able to operate for the remainder of the year.

https://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php/topic,2161.0.html

Not really.

Cease And Desists (I'm assuming that was at least PART of the documention sent to KOToys) generally have a timeline for the party to adhere to. 30 days is a pretty standard one, and that times up perfectly with KOToys' statement that they have to shut down by 2012.

And I'll come forward as the person who asked Bowspearer to remove some details. That's because I thought that some of what he'd posted could provide KOToys with ideas for ways to work around their current situation, and well, no way in hell I want to see that!

jaydisc
9th December 2011, 02:26 PM
Having a server in the USA does not make your business prone to US law. At best, a US company could have filed a court order asking for the hosting company to take down the site. Obviously, this did not happen. To assume that this phone call caused some international pressure, especially in such a short period of time, is (IMO): silly.

bowspearer
10th December 2011, 12:59 AM
Having a server in the USA does not make your business prone to US law. At best, a US company could have filed a court order asking for the hosting company to take down the site. Obviously, this did not happen. To assume that this phone call caused some international pressure, especially in such a short period of time, is (IMO): silly.

Not at all and you've completely failed to understand how telecommunications laws work here.

I'm not saying that my phone call definitely did bring this about, however you're forgetting one thing.

KOToys online store being hosted in the US means that it was physically doing business in the US.

If that phone call either prompted Hasbro to act or gave them extra info so they could act; then Hasbro could definitely have acted, potentially even extraditing the owners to face civil charges even if they physically lived in another country.

kup
10th December 2011, 08:50 AM
I think it's best to drop the whole 'I called Hasbro and they shutdown KOToys' stance unless you have concrete evidence to support that your call directly cause it. Like it or not, KO Toys is still in business and appears to be closing down on their own accord which goes against the whole 'Hasbro is shutting them down' angle.

Hell! They are even opening pre-orders for a Headmaster KO Head!

valkyrie_76
10th December 2011, 10:29 AM
I think it's best to drop the whole 'I called Hasbro and they shutdown KOToys' stance unless you have concrete evidence to support that your call directly cause it. Like it or not, KO Toys is still in business and appears to be closing down on their own accord which goes against the whole 'Hasbro is shutting them down' angle.

Hell! They are even opening pre-orders for a Headmaster KO Head!

What he said :D

jaydisc
10th December 2011, 03:56 PM
Not at all and you've completely failed to understand how telecommunications laws work here.

But we're not talking about here. I've worked for hosting providers in the USA (I'm a dual citizen) and have even been on the receiving side of take down orders.


I'm not saying that my phone call definitely did bring this about, however you're forgetting one thing.

KOToys online store being hosted in the US means that it was physically doing business in the US.

If that phone call either prompted Hasbro to act or gave them extra info so they could act; then Hasbro could definitely have acted, potentially even extraditing the owners to face civil charges even if they physically lived in another country.

I'm not arguing that they weren't doing business in the USA. I'm pointing out that having a server hosted in the USA does not give the US the power to shut down your overseas business, rather at best, only the USA section (which they obviously have not done (http://kotoys.com/))

As to the concept of extradition, have you noticed how long the extradition proceedings have been going on for Julian Assange, who mind you is public enemy #1 in America? Do you think that after all these years of non-action, suddenly armed with your phone call, that Hasbro suddenly decided to not only act in this regard, but managed to supplant all of the due process, red tape and associated delays that such a process entails?

And all of this is completely moot anyway, as China has no extradition treaties with the West.

MindsetOverhaul
10th December 2011, 04:28 PM
i heard that Zhao himself had said right from the beginning, he was only going to do this for 2 to 3 years and then split. i'd say he's made some good cash and is ready to run along. i don't support KOtoys but i think this couldnt have come at a better time and has actually worked out well for him.

under the right circumstances, if you're stealing creative properties from a large company, they would just shut you down and impound the merch. they certainly wouldn't offered an opportunity to sell off your inventory.

and some people forget that transformers isn't hasbros' only franchise.

reillyd
10th December 2011, 09:06 PM
If it were a real take down order, the website would have been pulled.
Cease and desists are common enough, but in criminal copyright infringment ICE/DHS just sieze the domain name and point it to their own server.

In fact, you don't actually have to be infringing to have your domain name siezed. Here's an article on it in today's Wired
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/wyden-domain-seizure/

But if you visit pirate torrent sites. you'd already be VERY familiar with what the logo looks like..... Thank the creator for foreign hosted Piratebay

reillyd
10th December 2011, 09:08 PM
This is what an actual take-down notice looks like, for those that DON'T Torrent (okay, we probably all do)


http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/11/Screen-Shot-2011-11-28-at-10.35.51-AM.png

KaRNiV8L PRiME
18th December 2011, 06:55 PM
Got these on Friday from my friends at KOToys :(

canofwhoopass_87
18th December 2011, 08:06 PM
Got these on Friday from my friends at KOToys :(

Lol man. Have you even been reading this thread? It's like logging onto a thread dedicated to PETA and proudly posting a photo of a skinned Tiger. Your sad face emote at the end doesn't really redeem you of anything.

This be one of those "I shoulda kept it a secret" sorta scenarios.

VERT
18th December 2011, 10:09 PM
Got these on Friday from my friends at KOToys :(

Ha ha ha ha well done. Im wating on 6 boxes full myself :D

Topics like this are much like the fights my wife would get into on Bubhub about Brestfeeding. hahahahahaha Important stuff and the like.

Prowl
19th December 2011, 10:38 PM
Got these on Friday from my friends at KOToys :(

Looks like we found the succesor to Kim Jong Il on the forum ;)

GoktimusPrime
20th December 2011, 07:59 AM
This is what an actual take-down notice looks like, for those that DON'T Torrent (okay, we probably all do)
I don't torrent. I'd never seen those logos before.

Learnt something new. :)

kup
20th December 2011, 08:01 AM
I don't torrent. I'd never seen those logos before.

Learnt something new. :)

Your not living man :p

reillyd
20th December 2011, 11:13 AM
Ha ha ha ha well done. Im wating on 6 boxes full myself :D

Topics like this are much like the fights my wife would get into on Bubhub about Brestfeeding. hahahahahaha Important stuff and the like.

Dont mean to get off topic here, but........

You did mention women fighting, and now I am imagining pillow fights and breasts. To set me straight, what is there to fight about?

reillyd
20th December 2011, 11:14 AM
Lol man. Have you even been reading this thread? It's like logging onto a thread dedicated to PETA and proudly posting a photo of a skinned Tiger. Your sad face emote at the end doesn't really redeem you of anything.

This be one of those "I shoulda kept it a secret" sorta scenarios.

Trukk not munky

canofwhoopass_87
20th December 2011, 01:27 PM
Trukk not munky

I was thoroughly confused by your comment, but thanks to the POWER OF GOOGLE...

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Trukk_not_munky

VERT
20th December 2011, 10:31 PM
Dont mean to get off topic here, but........

You did mention women fighting, and now I am imagining pillow fights and breasts. To set me straight, what is there to fight about?

:D:D:D:D:D:D:p:rolleyes:

Cat
4th January 2012, 02:09 AM
I think these may have been released anyway.

VERT
4th January 2012, 06:46 AM
The Other Dino Tapes! Yeah they are on the way. KO Toys just sold things did not make them. Nothing has stopped. So yeah they are on the way. I have my Pre Order in :D

Skullcruncher
4th January 2012, 07:26 AM
The Other Dino Tapes! Yeah they are on the way. KO Toys just sold things did not make them. Nothing has stopped. So yeah they are on the way. I have my Pre Order in :D

Congrats for you. I thought some were actually leaked out in a couple of weeks ago.

Tober
15th January 2012, 02:21 AM
Buyer beware again:

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/NOIZUGURAFI10.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/NOIZUGURAFI9.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/NOIZUGURAFI8.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/NOIZUGURAFI7.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/NOIZUGURAFI6.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/customsboxart1.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/customsboxart.jpg

VERT
15th January 2012, 07:23 AM
Thats great they should ship out in a week or so. :D

Skullcruncher
15th January 2012, 09:10 AM
Is it just me or do bots look terrible? Good that the boxes have the obvious KO signs too. Winning!

5FDP
16th January 2012, 09:16 AM
Thank god the angry masses shut down KOToys. There is no chance this abomination will ever see the light of day :rolleyes:

liegeprime
24th January 2012, 03:21 PM
The Other Dino Tapes! Yeah they are on the way. KO Toys just sold things did not make them. Nothing has stopped. So yeah they are on the way. I have my Pre Order in :D

I have come out from the basement to reveal ....yep , they've arrived!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liegeprime/2012%20acquisitions/DSC01442.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liegeprime/2012%20acquisitions/DSC01440.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liegeprime/2012%20acquisitions/DSC01439.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liegeprime/2012%20acquisitions/DSC01443.jpg

So for those after originals on evilbay be aware that the fake stuff is now .. out there, be carefull. Unless you want the fake stuff that is... QC wise it's the same as the first batch.. itll do for me as Ill never be able to afford the originals ( unless I win the grand prize in lotto). I just wish HASTAKTOM was able to reissue these little fellas since if 3rd party people (have proven) can do it and not over the top priced at that, surely they can but as yet fails ( along with an official car Arcee)... sigh, same old HASTAKTOM I guess...

now back to the basement:o:p

reillyd
24th January 2012, 03:27 PM
I have come out from the basement to reveal ....yep , they've arrived!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liegeprime/2012%20acquisitions/DSC01442.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liegeprime/2012%20acquisitions/DSC01440.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liegeprime/2012%20acquisitions/DSC01439.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liegeprime/2012%20acquisitions/DSC01443.jpg

So for those after originals on evilbay be aware that the fake stuff is now .. out there, be carefull. Unless you want the fake stuff that is... QC wise it's the same as the first batch.. itll do for me as Ill never be able to afford the originals ( unless I win the grand prize in lotto). I just wish HASTAKTOM was able to reissue these little fellas since if 3rd party people (have proven) can do it and not over the top priced at that, surely they can but as yet fails ( along with an official car Arcee)... sigh, same old HASTAKTOM I guess...

now back to the basement:o:p

I dont know if they CAN do it for a cheap price. Remember these toys, at least the first batch, were really poor in quality. Maybe you get what you pay for?

I know I would be prepared to pay full encore prices for these, if they were made available. or bundled with other figures eg. new cassettes for blaster twincast

liegeprime
24th January 2012, 03:49 PM
I dont know if they CAN do it for a cheap price. Remember these toys, at least the first batch, were really poor in quality. Maybe you get what you pay for?

I know I would be prepared to pay full encore prices for these, if they were made available. or bundled with other figures eg. new cassettes for blaster twincast

Hey me too, first in line if they EVER did! Ill buy 3 sets even, just so I ve got the spare to keep MISB ( OMG 5FDP has corrupted me!!:eek::eek:) but as they havent gotten around to it, these fills the void....
Encore price for me is reasonable price. So I gladly buy doubles of what I already have in G1 and keep the Encore ones I have MISB:o.

These were price ranged around same as Deluxe each which for me is reasonable... unlike say paying 50 plus bucks for those perfect effect mini NOT rumble Frenzy - those are tiny as and well just doesnt float my boat so to speak. :p

I have encore cassettes compared to the old cassettrons and the Encore ones are KOish is quality, but, i like em a lot still, so it's not like were all after super uber same as 1980s dinocassettes QC, they really should look into reissuing these since they most likely can do a lot better than these KO providers yet simply not to. Instead just more recoloured prev tapes dealing with the obscure characters... except for enemy and wingthing (which are Soundwaves') IM not too interested in Twincast's cassettes buddies on the Encore reissue of him.:(

5FDP
25th January 2012, 07:48 AM
Ill buy 3 sets even, just so I ve got the spare to keep MISB ( OMG 5FDP has corrupted me!!:eek::eek:) but as they havent gotten around to it, these fills the void....

http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1186332/family-guy-good-good-o.gif

"GOOD... GOOD" :D

liegeprime
25th January 2012, 06:48 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1186332/family-guy-good-good-o.gif

"GOOD... GOOD" :D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!