DOTM unanswered and answered questions (lots of spoilers)

[Paulbot]

Starting this to avoid cluttering the review thread. If you've seen the movie and have questions, here's the place for them. Some will have answers, some will have our best guesses.


And another thing...

We don't have other actors we could use?!

Yay for Glenn Morshower...

But...

HE DIED IN THE 1ST MOVIE!

Do we not have other actors we could use? FFS.

WHAT?! He was in the 2nd one as a different character?!

Piss Off Michael Bay.


That's the whole point. Glenn is meant to be in all the TF Bay movies. It's like a running gag.



Canadian Transformers will never happen. I can't see Optimus Prime saying 'eh?'


Pretty much. He played Col. Sharp in TF1, who died at the SOCCENT attack, whereas he played General Morshower in ROTF and DOTM.

Possible fansplanations:
+ They're twins whose have different surnames for some reason, e.g. divorced parents where the mother got remarried and one son took the new surname, or son reverted to mother's maiden name.
+ They're twins who were separated at birth and raised apart by different adoptive parents.


OR

+ Micheal Bay recast Morshower to come back in all TF movies as a running gag


I was trying to find an in-canon explanation. :p

While it's not unusual for people to use the same actor/actress to play different characters within the same franchise - often without explanation - but sometimes they try to explain it. [Deleted Doctor Who example ;) ][/i]. (-_-)

The twins separated at birth excuse sounds more plausible to me. (<_<)

It's actually triplets. The third brother worked for President Palmer and President Logan. ;) If you want an answer that's more logical and in universe, well we never saw Col Sharp die did we. There was just the "no survivors" line if I recall correctly. Well they were wrong. After cutting the hardline to stop Blackout downloading the data, the Col and perhaps some others, made it to a emergency bunker but they were trapped by debris. They weren't found until several days later (after the no survivors line which was only a few hours later). Because he had experienced a close encounter with the robots he was put in charge of being an army liasion with NEST but as NEST was secret his identity was changed so there was no official paperwork with his name on it connecting the alien attack on the airbase and the secret working-with-aliens taskforce.


I'd like to know if that imploding scene was meant to show Cybertron being destroyed by the closing spacebridge. Sure looked that way to me, compared to the phasing out the first time the transfer was interrupted.

In Washington a Decepticon scanned a green dump truck. Later in Chicago we saw a large green transformer with long arms. Was that the same 'con?

Were Wheelie or Brains seen after the ship crashed. They said "we're gonna die" as it was going down but I don't recall seeing them after that.

[Bartrim]

Bay has stated that he likes to use Glen Morshower because of his professionalism and even if he only has a minor role he gets all the other cast organised really well. A real leader on set apparently.

[Krittle]

MY real question is this.....

....

DID ANYONE TELL OPTIMUS IRONHIDE WAS DEAD! No. I mean there wasnt an actual scene where someone informed him... i know we can assume they would have sent him a message immediately... but i always think for a laugh at the end of the movie, when he is doing his 'epic speech' someone will pop up and say 'Oh btw Optimus... Ironhide is dead' :0 Prime: "WHAT!?" (roll credits... directed by Michael Bay)

[GoktimusPrime]

In Washington a Decepticon scanned a green dump truck. Later in Chicago we saw a large green transformer with long arms. Was that the same 'con?

No. The green Decepticon in Chicago is a "Long Haul" type Constructicon.


DID ANYONE TELL OPTIMUS IRONHIDE WAS DEAD! No. I mean there wasnt an actual scene where someone informed him... i know we can assume they would have sent him a message immediately... but i always think for a laugh at the end of the movie, when he is doing his 'epic speech' someone will pop up and say 'Oh btw Optimus... Ironhide is dead' :0 Prime: "WHAT!?" (roll credits... directed by Michael Bay)
Autobots do have internal communications. And don't forget that Quejack died too! Oh wait, we don't care about him do we? :p

And besides, we all know how Optimus Prime mourns for his fallen comrades, as seen in the end of TF1 when he "mourned" Jazz.

"Meh." :p

[Verno]

Whats Bay's fascination with the number '4500X'? It was the code on Blackout in the 1st movie, and appeared on the engine of the private jet in DOTM.

[Krittle]

Whats Bay's fascination with the number '4500X'? It was the code on Blackout in the 1st movie, and appeared on the engine of the private jet in DOTM.

That must be his explosion equation... take a normal explosion and times it by 4500! If he does two explosions, it will be OVER 9000!

[5FDP]

Whats Bay's fascination with the number '4500X'? It was the code on Blackout in the 1st movie, and appeared on the engine of the private jet in DOTM.

It's explained in the audio commentary on the Transformers DVD (2007) that 4500 X is the serial number on his real-life private jet. That was his inspiration for Blackout.

[Bartrim]

MY real question is this.....

....

DID ANYONE TELL OPTIMUS IRONHIDE WAS DEAD! No. I mean there wasnt an actual scene where someone informed him... i know we can assume they would have sent him a message immediately... but i always think for a laugh at the end of the movie, when he is doing his 'epic speech' someone will pop up and say 'Oh btw Optimus... Ironhide is dead' :0 Prime: "WHAT!?" (roll credits... directed by Michael Bay)

I would of liked if when Prime shot Sentinel he said "This is for Ironhide"

[jaydisc]

In Washington a Decepticon scanned a green dump truck. Later in Chicago we saw a large green transformer with long arms. Was that the same 'con?

I don't think so, but those were the exact two bots I want toys of!

[Tober]

Is there a canon explanation as to why none of the Autobots choose to turn into military vehicles? Especially airborne ones..? A Typhoon, Flanker or Berkut might have been rather useful. I was expecting some of the military vehicles in the base to be Autobots, like the heli... Maybe Bay doesn't get enough product placement $$$ from them...

I simply have to assume that flight is extremely difficult for Bayformers.

[Paul Agnew]

DID ANYONE TELL OPTIMUS IRONHIDE WAS DEAD! No. I mean there wasnt an actual scene where someone informed him... i know we can assume they would have sent him a message immediately... but i always think for a laugh at the end of the movie, when he is doing his 'epic speech' someone will pop up and say 'Oh btw Optimus... Ironhide is dead' :0 Prime: "WHAT!?" (roll credits... directed by Michael Bay)

Optimus was informed shortly after once recieving a message through his internal communication system, and before he confronted Sentinel at the Lincoln Memorial. Moments later he also discovered the fate of Skids and presumed Mudflap. When an Autobot hears static, there is still a chance they can be saved, but when there is utter silence, the Spark is utterly destroyed.

As Goktimus said, Prime doesn't exactly respond strongly to a character demise (bar Elita-1 in Rising Storm). Moments later, Prime forgets Ironhide and makes excuses that Sentinel must have been brainwashed and under Decepticon control.

It was in the novel.

[GoktimusPrime]

Jetfire was an Autobot who transformed into a military vehicle. Ditto Landmine, Comettor and arguably Brawn and Outback.

Disregarding Decepticon defectees and characters who don't appear in the film?? :p Umm... I dunno, maybe they only transformed into whatever NEST allowed them to scan? <shrug> Or maybe the Autobots have an ethical objection over transforming into vehicles of war and prefer peaceful alt modes (ya know, despite their "take no prisoners" policy :p) -- yeah, I don't know.

[Sharky]

and why do they need to transform into military vehicles when all manner of weaponary can emerge from the chasis of a convertabe or a muscle car... military vehicles should be jealous.....

[liegeprime]

How strong is Sam's bones? He mustve been guzzling milk for ages coz the way Starscream was trashing him around , by all that is logical and by the laws of Physics and the stuff we learn from Biology he shouldve been DEAD!!! that kid is such a cockroach!

How come Ironhide turned to dust when he died? is that standard "death" coz Jazz didn't disintegrate like that or is that an effect of Sentinel Prime's weapon? oh and yeah nobody did inform Prime but he(prime) didnt seem to mourn the loss like he did with Jazz:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Bartrim]

How come Ironhide turned to dust when he died? is that standard "death" coz Jazz didn't disintegrate like that or is that an effect of Sentinel Prime's weapon?

In the novel it is explained that it is Sentinel's weapon. One shot rusts a robot apart.

[Krittle]

In the novel it is explained that it is Sentinel's weapon. One shot rusts a robot apart.

I want one!


How strong is Sam's bones? He mustve been guzzling milk for ages coz the way Starscream was trashing him around , by all that is logical and by the laws of Physics and the stuff we learn from Biology he shouldve been DEAD!!! that kid is such a cockroach!

HAHAHAHA! That is hilarious. I think he should have died when Blackout dropped their car in ROTF.

Anyways... there is a good idea to a sequal... Transformers - Kill LaBouef! Where Optimus and Megatron (resurrected - again) unite forces and try to kill Sam... stomping on him continously for 1.5 hours... the last hour will be an EPIC CGI battle, where optimus is equipped with a shoe and chases him with it!

[SkyWarp91]

How strong is Sam's bones? He mustve been guzzling milk for ages coz the way Starscream was trashing him around , by all that is logical and by the laws of Physics and the stuff we learn from Biology he shouldve been DEAD!!! that kid is such a cockroach!

How come Ironhide turned to dust when he died? is that standard "death" coz Jazz didn't disintegrate like that or is that an effect of Sentinel Prime's weapon? oh and yeah nobody did inform Prime but he(prime) didnt seem to mourn the loss like he did with Jazz:rolleyes::rolleyes:

LOL @ Sam's bones. I'd have a strong bone too if I had a girlfriend like Carly ;);)

Regarding Ironhide, I think it's the effect of Sentinel Prime's weapon - the bullets probably have a thermite-effect where they eat away at the metal.

[GoktimusPrime]

Military vehicles can still be useful as disguises for infiltrating the military. They did this well in the first movie when Blackout managed to land at SOCCENT base disguised as one of their own choppers -- although they were confused because that chopper had been reported as destroyed, they still allowed him land under escort, which is all Blackout needed. Starscream also used his alt mode to access the US Air Force and even flew as part of a squadron before turning on the other F22s which caught them completely off guard. And while not a military vehicle, Barricade's form as a police car gave him access to where Air Force One had landed and also got him close to Sam.

So it's all about deception. ;)

As for Sam's calcium intake, well in both TF1 and DotM we see him standing around drinking from a big jug of milk... so... there ya go. :p Drink yer milk, kids!

[Bartrim]

So it's all about deception. ;)



That would of been better in DOTM if Mearing said to Sam "Their the Wreckers. We don't let them off the base because they want to be NASCAR's and they don't blend in very well.":D

[LordCyrusOmega]

Why were the Wreckers Nascars? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense and for all the hype they didn't have much screen time in alt mode.
Which is odd for Transformer movies

[Bartrim]

Why were the Wreckers Nascars? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense and for all the hype they didn't have much screen time in alt mode.
Which is odd for Transformer movies

Again this is explained in the novel. They continue to belittle the NASA Engineer until he starts crying at which point Epps puts the Daytona 500 on a TV. They stop work and start watching it. Epps explains to Sam it's like catnip to them and they keep it on constant loop.

[LordCyrusOmega]

Ohh ok. only have the first 2 comics. Should probably get the others.

[reillyd]

Okay, if there were only a few autobots left on the planet (I can't remember whether it was 5 or 7, some number they quoted) does that mean that we
can definitely, positively, absolutely CONFIRM that the twins died some horrible agonising death somewhere between TF2 and 3?

Because that would like totally make my day.


Secondly, what on earth happened to the other autobots, and if they were functioning why on earth didn't they show up at the end to help optimus.



But my most pressing and desperate question is why the hell did people climb buildings and leap out of plains only to sail down to the ground, then do it all again. Was their any actual 'plot' reason for doing that, or was it just to show off 3D? Because I saw the movie, and I still don't understand the last half.

[Jaisun]

Jetfire was an Autobot who transformed into a military vehicle. Ditto Landmine, Comettor and arguably Brawn and Outback.

I would place Comettor more as a moon buggy, with the DotM concept including a lunar landing, the white and gold 'astronaut' scheme, planet and stars on the door, and bundled with Starimus Prime. Did anyone else notice RotF Brawns alt mode in the NEST hangar? Kinda cool, me thoughted =o)

But more to actual question, I think scanning military flight vehicles would deem them 'war-like' or 'willing to make war' to the newcomers, confusing them on the Autobot cause. And as far as any non-military flight vehicles go, lets face it, military gets all the cool sh*t =oP In other words, the vast majority of non-weaponised aircraft aren't fast enough or agile enough be of much use against the Decepticons (Cessna vs. Raptor anyone?). Also, as someone else mentioned, it is characteristic of the Decepticons to be, erm, deceptive =oP So for the 'bots to scan war machines when peace and unity is their goal, you have further cause for people to hate on Bayverse for giving the good guys a deceptive or hypocritical tone. So I think sticking to the sexy sports cars for the good guys is easier for the general populace to make sense of.

[Gutsman Heavy]

Okay, if there were only a few autobots left on the planet (I can't remember whether it was 5 or 7, some number they quoted) does that mean that we
can definitely, positively, absolutely CONFIRM that the twins died some horrible agonising death somewhere between TF2 and 3?


I'll guess not, the writers originally said if it didn't happen on screen it didn't happen. Like Barricade, he came back despite supporting fiction killing him off.
Plus the Twins actually appear in the film, albeit super briefly. And NEST didn't even bother counting Brains & Wheelie as part of the 9 Autobots booted off the planet. So like the think they lived muahahaha!

[SkyWarp91]

What the hell do Q and Brains transform into?

[Paulbot]

I simply have to assume that flight is extremely difficult for Bayformers.

This would explain a few things: A weakened Megatron could no longer fly so needed a land based vehicle. Starscream never had an army of seekers. Why the Deceticons needed to pilot flying assault craft rather than transform into flying assault craft. Why the Decepticon armies in ROTF and DOTM were never in the air.

It does point out another question I wondered about. How did Soundwave and Megatron get back to the US from Africa so easily/quickly.


In the novel it is explained that it is Sentinel's weapon. One shot rusts a robot apart.
I assumed it was a "Cosmic Rust" gun.


What the hell do Q and Brains transform into?
Q was one of the cars in the raids at the start of the movie I believe. Brains transformed into a laptop, (well we saw him transform from a laptop and say how he'd just downloaded a bunch of info).


Plus the Twins actually appear in the film, albeit super briefly. And NEST didn't even bother counting Brains & Wheelie as part of the 9 Autobots booted off the planet. So like the think they lived muahahaha!
Wheelie and Brains weren't Autobots, Wheelie called them political refugees or something. And seeing that they were allowed to live with Sam they obviously fell under the radar. Or NEST didn't want former Decepticons having access to their base (fair enough).

Jolt's missing too. Maybe Jolt and the twins left on some off planet mission in between films? If the twins had been included and killed in that scene with Ironhide it would've ruined it, turning it in to a joke.

[jaydisc]

I assumed it was a "Cosmic Rust" gun.

http://www.joshnizzi.com/images/TF3/JoshNizzi_TF3_50.jpg

[griffin]

Okay, if there were only a few autobots left on the planet (I can't remember whether it was 5 or 7, some number they quoted) does that mean that we
can definitely, positively, absolutely CONFIRM that the twins died some horrible agonising death somewhere between TF2 and 3?

Because that would like totally make my day.

They were meant to die with Ironhide, but I think it was changed late to make the scene more dramatic and shocking. See, if the Twins were killed off then as well in the final cut, the audience would be cheering or even happy about their deaths, losing the significance of the moment.
It's a pity that that part of the scene was cut, but I agree that it was better that only Ironhide died.

[GoktimusPrime]

r they quoted) does that mean that we
can definitely, positively, absolutely CONFIRM that the twins died some horrible agonising death somewhere between TF2 and 3?

Because that would like totally make my day.

Secondly, what on earth happened to the other autobots, and if they were functioning why on earth didn't they show up at the end to help optimus.

Jolt's missing too. Maybe Jolt and the twins left on some off planet mission in between films? If the twins had been included and killed in that scene with Ironhide it would've ruined it, turning it in to a joke.
+ Twins: killed by Shockwave during DotM (it's in the comic adaptation - and the film doesn't contradict this ;))
+ Jolt: killed by Shockwave before events in DotM (Rising Storm)
+ Elita-1: killed by Shockwave in Rising Storm. Chromia and Arcee survived but are MIA.

Galloway was killed by Shockwave too, which was kinda unfortunately because after the events of RotF Galloway had a big change of heart and actually became supportive of NEST and the Autobots. He wasn't terribly competent, but at least his heart was in the right place. Then Shockwave came and disintegrated him!


But my most pressing and desperate question is why the hell did people climb buildings and leap out of plains only to sail down to the ground, then do it all again. Was their any actual 'plot' reason for doing that, or was it just to show off 3D? Because I saw the movie, and I still don't understand the last half.
The people leaping out of planes were troops trying to get into the city via airdrop. The membrane suits seem to offer them greater stooping speed and manoeuvrability than parachutes.

The people climbing the buildings were Sam, Epps and his homies - their objective was to rescue Carly, then they wanted to get to high ground to get a clear shot.


I would place Comettor more as a moon buggy, with the DotM concept including a lunar landing, the white and gold 'astronaut' scheme, planet and stars on the door, and bundled with Starimus Prime.
STAR CONVOY'D! :p

Anyway, while the packaging may claim that Comettor is a lunar buggy, he is in fact a modified armour-plated Chenowth DPV (Desert Patrol Vehicle)... with a mounted cannon. And combustion engines and guns don't work in a vacuum. ;) Unless it's been modified with an electric motor and... um... a laser cannon? :p


Did anyone else notice RotF Brawns alt mode in the NEST hangar? Kinda cool, me thoughted =o)
Wasn't that vehicle already in ROTF? Like the scene on the NEST island base where Ravage and Reedman steal the shard. I thought Brawn's alt mode was based on the vehicles seen there.

It definitely couldn't have been Brawn as he was killed by - you guessed it - Shockwave. ;)


Also, as someone else mentioned, it is characteristic of the Decepticons to be, erm, deceptive =oP So for the 'bots to scan war machines when peace and unity is their goal, you have further cause for people to hate on Bayverse for giving the good guys a deceptive or hypocritical tone.
The Autobots happily use deception too -- that's the whole reason why they transform as robots in disguise. ;) I'm quite sure that when the Witwickies purchased Bumblebee, they thought they were buying an old Camaro and not an alien robot!


So I think sticking to the sexy sports cars for the good guys is easier for the general populace to make sense of.
Not to mention sponsorship from General Motors. ;) And hey, it is also reminiscent of the very first year of G1 where all the Autobots were automobiles and the Decepticons would transform into weaponry (gun, jet fighters) or instruments for espionage (microcassette recorder, tapes - movie Frenzy was able to sneak aboard Air Force One as a CD player and right into Sector 7 as a mobile phone)


It does point out another question I wondered about. How did Soundwave and Megatron get back to the US from Africa so easily/quickly.
The same way Sam was able to walk from Petra to Giza in a matter of hours on foot? :p

As G1 cartoon writer David Wise would say, "Engage the Balonium Drive!"

[Lord_Zed]

Is there a canon explanation as to why none of the Autobots choose to turn into military vehicles? Especially airborne ones..? A Typhoon, Flanker or Berkut might have been rather useful. I was expecting some of the military vehicles in the base to be Autobots, like the heli... Maybe Bay doesn't get enough product placement $$$ from them...

I simply have to assume that flight is extremely difficult for Bayformers.

This was referenced by Epps in the movie when he said "How come Decepticons always get the best s#^t" Actualy that's my favourite line from the film, Decepticons always have the best stuff, the best weapons and more flyers, those are the rules.:p

[Tober]

Leo wouldn't have happened to died a horrible agonising death too would he..? :cool:

[griffin]

Seeing it again, one thing that bugged me (as I'm picking up the finer details now) is that Megatron tells Starscream that he was meant to meet Sentinel Prime on Earth when he left Cybertron in the Ark.
But according to the onscreen timeline (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=11440), this planned rendezvous was to happen before they found the Earth when looking for the Allspark Cube, so does that mean that they knew about Earth from the Star Havester era (and from sending Decepticon Seekers years ago to find the Matrix)?
And if you go by the comics universe, the Cube happened to arrive on the planet ten thousand years before the Ark got there (the comics have the Ark leaving first, but the Cube got to Earth first). So I'm thinking that the Allspark Cube must have been sent out to space some time before Sentinel Prime left in the Ark... but even still, it's a 10,000 year drift in space to account for (what was everyone doing during this time, if the war was already lost at this time?).

So we have:

- Star Harvester is built on Earth, and Matrix is lost there with it.
- The Fallen disappears, but the Decepticons seem to know where he is.
- Sentinel plans to meet Megatron on Earth. (the planet must have still been known to them at this point from the Star Harvester age and the Decepticon Seekers on the planet)
- Sentinel leaves Cybertron in the Ark, which is shot up and left to drift in space.
- Allspark Cube is sent out into space. (although, I dont recall if it was made clear in the movie that it was sent out before or after Sentinel Prime left, as it was the comics that claimed he left first)
- Cube lands on Earth.
- Megatron crashes on Earth while looking for the Cube.
- Ark crashes on the moon.
- Soundwave's Decepticons arrive on the moon soon after to retrieve pillars and wait in hiding. (if the Decepticons remember that the planet is where the legendary Star Harvester and Matrix were hidden, I guess they were hoping it would be found sometime soon, to reanimate Sentinel).
- Autobots arrive on Earth after finding the Cube.
- Decepticons (through Frenzy) learn that the Cube is on Earth, and that Megatron is there as well.
- The Fallen arrives and the Star Harvester and Matrix are located.
- Matrix is then used to reanimate Sentinel, allowing for the hidden Decepticons on the moon to reveal themselves and come to Earth.

Putting it together like that, most of it ends up making sense if you ignore the comics (which suggested that Megatron didn't know about Earth when he crashed there, or that the Star Harvester had to be found by Soundwave's Decepticons as if they didn't know about Earth).
The timing of the Cube and Sentinel leaving Cybertron is a bit iffy, as the comics said Sentinel left first, but the Cube got to Earth first. It was also not explained in the Movie how everything somehow arrives at the same location over a period of thousands of years.
But aside from the weak plot point of Soundwave's Decepticons hiding themselves on the Moon in the 1960s just in case the Autobots ever found Earth and the Matrix, most of the rest works as various other things (Megatron & Cube) were not known to them in the on-screen universe.
And if the Matrix was the only thing to be able to revive Sentinel, then why didn't Soundwave get his army to arrive on Earth in the 1960s and scour the planet looking for it? Why lay dormant for 50 years on the hope that Autobots would eventually find the planet, find the matrix and use the it themselves? It would have made more sense if the Decepticons were on Cybertron and the spacebridge went to there to bring through the army that captures Chicago.

One other thing I picked up on - Sentinel said that the Spacebridge pillar system could traverse time and space... so maybe a plot device there that the comics or future movies could use perhaps? Even with the pillars destroyed, there could be temporal side effects, or maybe Cybertron was sucked into a different time. Like five years into the future... and we have another invasion plot to deal with...
Or maybe humans replicate the technology (after scanning it during the time they had them in their custody), and use it to "bring back" characters killed off, but from an earlier time in their existence.



+ Twins: killed by Shockwave during DotM (it's in the comic adaptation - and the film doesn't contradict this ;))


They were killed by Sentinel Prime in the comic, not Shockwave.
You posted pics here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=253387#post253387).

[rampagesss]

How come when Carly drives the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG to her apartment / house none of the Autobots that arrive (Dino, Sideswipe on the street and Bumblebee, Wheelie and Brains in the house) Know its the Decepticon Soundwave? Wouldn't they be able to detect its a decepticon? In ROTF Ironhide said "hes here i can smell him" so why can't the other autobots.
And even the detector's they mentioned in the movie that are on the streets can't tell the Autobots there a decepticon just feet away from them

[SkyWarp91]

How come when Carly drives the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG to her apartment / house none of the Autobots that arrive (Dino, Sideswipe on the street and Bumblebee, Wheelie and Brains in the house) Know its the Decepticon Soundwave? Wouldn't they be able to detect its a decepticon? In ROTF Ironhide said "hes here i can smell him" so why can't the other autobots.
And even the detector's they mentioned in the movie that are on the streets can't tell the Autobots there a decepticon just feet away from them

That's probably a plot error, but an explanation could be that Soundwave, or the Decepticons as a whole have managed to upgrade their technology to not be detected.

[shokwave2]

Jolt's missing too.

I thought i spotted him on the shuttle pad at NASA, shooting some electric cords to the crawler device that pulls the shuttle. It must have been one of the wreckers.

IMO Shockwave didn't do enough damage and didn't live up to his bad boy name. He didn't come across as that scary and his pet worm did more work then him.

[griffin]

Soundwave is a master of communications and electronic surveillance... so is likely to be able to cloak himself from others and those detector thingies. He probably even hacked into the system to prevent it from detecting them, or looked up the schematics to know how to block its sensors.

[liegeprime]

HAHAHAHA! That is hilarious. I think he should have died when Blackout dropped their car in ROTF.

Anyways... there is a good idea to a sequal... Transformers - Kill LaBouef! Where Optimus and Megatron (resurrected - again) unite forces and try to kill Sam... stomping on him continously for 1.5 hours... the last hour will be an EPIC CGI battle, where optimus is equipped with a shoe and chases him with it!

I'd pay for that heheheheh:D:D:D kill the human germ!!!


LOL @ Sam's bones. I'd have a strong bone too if I had a girlfriend like Carly ;);)

Regarding Ironhide, I think it's the effect of Sentinel Prime's weapon - the bullets probably have a thermite-effect where they eat away at the metal.

I think that's all blood Skywarp91:p;)... take care and monitor your blood pressures kids:D

[SkyWarp91]

Did anyone notice that when the TFs are hit/killed in this movie they bleed like red oil? I don't remember seeing that in the first 2 movies.

[Hursticon]

Did anyone notice that when the TFs are hit/killed in this movie they bleed like red oil? I don't remember seeing that in the first 2 movies.

I did notice that - I felt myself missing the blue plasma/sparks from the 1st movie, I think it was also in the 2nd movie too (Correct me if I'm wrong)? :confused:

[Autocon]

It does point out another question I wondered about. How did Soundwave and Megatron get back to the US from Africa so easily/quickly.

well durr lazerbeak carried them over, like an ant he can carry above his weight:p


1st movie still the best in terms of plot lines

[griffin]

Did anyone notice that when the TFs are hit/killed in this movie they bleed like red oil? I don't remember seeing that in the first 2 movies.

Second movie had it too... which I think is unnecessary. It makes them look organic or cyborgs. If they need to be spraying vital fluids it should be black, as oil was always used as the synonym for blood in previous TFs eras.

[GoktimusPrime]

meh, I just assumed it's some kind of random mech fluid. The drooling thing is weird. And how Que and Brains have hair... erm... okay. :/ The comics seem to suggest that it's their way of integrating with humans - which would make more sense if it happened to a character called Hound, but admittedly that's just my G1 bias kicking in there.

[LordCyrusOmega]

What happened to Starscream to turn him into a rabid freak? All that crazy drooling was weird

[Paul Agnew]

I thought i spotted him on the shuttle pad at NASA, shooting some electric cords to the crawler device that pulls the shuttle. It must have been one of the wreckers.

The blue fellow who barely spoke? That was Topspin. His pincers for servos are the giveaway.

[JuzMel]

I'd like to know if that imploding scene was meant to show Cybertron being destroyed by the closing spacebridge. Sure looked that way to me, compared to the phasing out the first time the transfer was interrupted.

Sourced this from TF Wiki, not sure if you have already read it:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_3

Meanwhile, Dylan manages to reactivate the toppled pillar, but is attacked by Sam, who hurls him against the pillar, killing him. Subsequently, Bumblebee destroys the pillar for good, thus destroying the space bridge and, presumably, Cybertron with it.
....

Believing their home planet to be destroyed for good, the remaining Autobots accept Earth as their new home.

[WIIGII]

Has anyone wondered why Megatron is just hobo-ing around during the whole Chicago battle when Carly finds him?? The first time i saw it, i thought maybe Sentinel pushed Megatron off the building, but he didnt- all he did was stick his hand into his head.

At first i thought "that could've damaged Megatron, hence why he's in the alley later" but after Sam rescues Carly from Dylan in trump tower, Dylan goes screaming "we've got Autobots!" to which, we then see Megatron alive and well on top of teh building and he goes "Decepticons, protect the pillars!! raise the bridges!" This is the last time we see Megatron before he's hobo-ing around in some alley -__-

[Hursticon]

I'd like to think that seeing as though Megatron is missing half of his brain and what is left is clearly invested with cyber-parasites, that he is in a very delusive and detached mental state - very akin to a borderline psychotic vegetable-like state. :D
Hence, he just sits there in a world of his own as he watches his beloved Cybertron appear before his optics, grinning with a deluded delight... cue Carly. ;):cool:

[GoktimusPrime]

There's a whole army of Decepticons taking over the city under Sentinel Prime's command and the Autobots seem able to offer much resistance. Might as well sit back and enjoy the show. ;)

Btw, the comic adaptation provides an explanation as to why the Ark happened to crash on Earth's moon of all places in the universe...
"Sentinel was to seek out the last Star Harvester - to fuel our empire's expansion - then rendezvous with me. But fate waylaid us both, before drawing us all together - to Earth." - Megatron

[Krittle]

Has anyone wondered why Megatron is just hobo-ing around during the whole Chicago battle when Carly finds him?? The first time i saw it, i thought maybe Sentinel pushed Megatron off the building, but he didnt- all he did was stick his hand into his head.

At first i thought "that could've damaged Megatron, hence why he's in the alley later" but after Sam rescues Carly from Dylan in trump tower, Dylan goes screaming "we've got Autobots!" to which, we then see Megatron alive and well on top of teh building and he goes "Decepticons, protect the pillars!! raise the bridges!" This is the last time we see Megatron before he's hobo-ing around in some alley -__-


HAHA Hobotron. He was the best character. I actually see a trend, the three main scenes we see him (desert, lincoln's chair and during the battle) he ends up sitting on his metal butt. I'm guessing he doesnt have the energy to stand.

I saw TF3 for the second time the other day with my friends. One of my friend's was watching it for the second time aswell... when the part with Hobotron and Carly began we both looked at each other and laughed, holding our hands our in front of ourselves like beggers... 'spare some energon sir... spare some energon.' HAHA!

[Krittle]

I'd like to think that seeing as though Megatron is missing half of his brain and what is left is clearly invested with cyber-parasites, that he is in a very delusive and detached mental state - very akin to a borderline psychotic vegetable-like state. :D
Hence, he just sits there in a world of his own as he watches his beloved Cybertron appear before his optics, grinning with a deluded delight... cue Carly. ;):cool:


That makes sense... it explains why Megatron didnt just flick carly. Granted she was right, but Megatron would have flicked that little human anyway!

[tron07]

In the novel it is explained that it is Sentinel's weapon. One shot rusts a robot apart.

why didnt he use his cosmic rust weapon on megatron and prime?

[5FDP]

After reading through the majority of these posts I can't help but feel as though people are wanting to hate the movie or ruin the enjoyment of it for themselves by rationalising something that really can't be rationalised.

If there's one thing I know being a Transformers fan for 27 years, there are going to be continuity errors. I've learned to accept them while enjoying the ride.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong in expressing their opinions (that's what this forum is for), but why not accept the movie for what it is - entertainment.

[Demonac]

After reading through the majority of these posts I can't help but feel as though people are wanting to hate the movie or ruin the enjoyment of it for themselves by rationalising something that really can't be rationalised.

If there's one thing I know being a Transformers fan for 27 years, there are going to be continuity errors. I've learned to accept them while enjoying the ride.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong in expressing their opinions (that's what this forum is for), but why not accept the movie for what it is - entertainment.

I haven't seen the movie yet, so I can't comment on it's quality (or lack of) directly.
But I think what a lot of people are frustrated about is the lack of care that it has seems to have been put together with.
It's one thing to nitpick out plotholes after multiple viewings, but if the major holes are quite evident from one viewing, then where were the people in charge when they were editing this?
When I go to watch a movie, I don't want to switch my brain off. That's a way of saying 'we couldn't be bothered making this thing coherent...Look!! EXPLOSIONS! GIRLS!! GIANT ROBOTS!!!'
I want more than that. Or am I being greedy?

[SkyWarp91]

why didnt he use his cosmic rust weapon on megatron and prime?

Because being dead/inactive for so long makes your logical processes rusty badoomtish! :D:D:D

- skywarp :D (in the love of janda LOL)

[Sky Shadow]

It's one thing to nitpick out plotholes after multiple viewings, but if the major holes are quite evident from one viewing, then where were the people in charge when they were editing this?

I'm working on the assumption that it went something like this:

EDITOR: This makes no sense - write some exposition, get the actors back in and fill in the gaps.

MICHAEL BAY: Whammo! Can't do that, man - the actors all went on to other work months ago! Anyway I blew up all the sets! And all the vehicles! Bam!

EDITOR: Right. Well... just get sound-alike voice actors and animate the robots filling all the plotholes to the audience.

MICHAEL BAY: Zowie! Can't do that either, bro - I spent the rest of the animation budget on robots flying out of the moon and blowing up buildings and killing Megatron! Blammo!

EDITOR: You know you weren't actually supposed to kill Megatron, right? It was meant to be this big Return Of The Jedi/Spider Man 3 moment... Oh, #*@%, whatever. Just release it as it is. I'm sure no one will notice the weird cuts, unnecessary scenes and impossible movements.

MICHAEL BAY: Whoosh! Impossible bowel movements, you mean! When everyone craps their pants at its extremefulness! Splash!

EDITOR: ... I hate you.

[SkyWarp91]

I'm working on the assumption that it went something like this:

EDITOR: This makes no sense - write some exposition, get the actors back in and fill in the gaps.

MICHAEL BAY: Whammo! Can't do that, man - the actors all went on to other work months ago! Anyway I blew up all the sets! And all the vehicles! Bam!

EDITOR: Right. Well... just get sound-alike voice actors and animate the robots filling all the plotholes to the audience.

MICHAEL BAY: Zowie! Can't do that either, bro - I spent the rest of the animation budget on robots flying out of the moon and blowing up buildings and killing Megatron! Blammo!

EDITOR: You know you weren't actually supposed to kill Megatron, right? It was meant to be this big Return Of The Jedi/Spider Man 3 moment... Oh, #*@%, whatever. Just release it as it is. I'm sure no one will notice the weird cuts, unnecessary scenes and impossible movements.

MICHAEL BAY: Whoosh! Impossible bowel movements, you mean! When everyone craps their pants at its extremefulness! Splash!

EDITOR: ... I hate you.

i think it went more like this...

Editor: Er I don't think these cuts make sense, it's all done so poorly.

Michael Bay: How bout I pay you $500,000 and you keep it the way it is?

Editor: DEAL!

[Krittle]

After reading through the majority of these posts I can't help but feel as though people are wanting to hate the movie or ruin the enjoyment of it for themselves by rationalising something that really can't be rationalised.

If there's one thing I know being a Transformers fan for 27 years, there are going to be continuity errors. I've learned to accept them while enjoying the ride.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong in expressing their opinions (that's what this forum is for), but why not accept the movie for what it is - entertainment.

I agree that people sometimes do go out of their way to hate something... which i am against. However, i love that people make parodies :D. It's like a continuation but humorous.... if a movie has flaws, rather than complain, make light of it and eventually it's becomes a positive funny part of a film... racist autobot twins! haha!

[Paulbot]

After reading through the majority of these posts I can't help but feel as though people are wanting to hate the movie or ruin the enjoyment of it for themselves by rationalising something that really can't be rationalised.

If there's one thing I know being a Transformers fan for 27 years, there are going to be continuity errors. I've learned to accept them while enjoying the ride.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong in expressing their opinions (that's what this forum is for), but why not accept the movie for what it is - entertainment.
Some "funny" people like the easy targets and repeat the same jokes they did last film, and the haters gotta hate, but that wasn't the intention when I started the thread.

The point was that there are outstanding questions, some of which are answered by a repeat viewing, something others saw that we didn't, or in expanded universe fiction. And for the remainder that are still unanswered part of the fun is trying to answer the questions (and you're right: that has been since the days of "Where does Prime's trailer go?")

[SkyWarp91]

Okay I heard that Skyhammer's alt mode makes an appearance in DOTM somewhere (don't know if this is actually true or a bad tfwiki entry), does he?

[liegeprime]

Okay I heard that Skyhammer's alt mode makes an appearance in DOTM somewhere (don't know if this is actually true or a bad tfwiki entry), does he?

Yeah, when they wanted to get in the city they used the choppers so they can "jump glide" their people in. Although as youve said it's just the alt mode... no bot mode shown on film.:):)

oh and Michael Bay... paying an editor?!? Nah, the whole movie would've been snipped out:p

[griffin]

Skyhammer is an attack helicopter. The planes they used to para-glide into the city were used for the 'Incinerator (http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Incinerator/incinerator.htm)' toy.
I don't recall the attack helicopter, unless it was inside the NEST base that Sentinel destroyed.

[Sky Shadow]

So... it the film itself, how did Optimus, Ratchet and Roller/Ratchet's Lunar Crawler get to the moon?

Also, I've been thinking, is the film about the dark of the moon or the far side of the moon? Because they're not the same thing - the far side of the moon is a constant, the dark is not. The French title of the film is La Face Cachée de la Lune (The Far Side Of The Moon), while the English is Dark Of The Moon. Which is correct?

[Paulbot]

So... it the film itself, how did Optimus, Ratchet and Roller/Ratchet's Lunar Crawler get to the moon?
They took the Xantium. It was the first time the ship was mentioned and IIRC seen.

[Sky Shadow]

They took the Xantium. It was the first time the ship was mentioned and IIRC seen.

So they flew a massive spaceship to the moon, but it went sufficiently unnoticed that even Sam thought the Autobots had no way of leaving Earth just a few scenes later?

[Paulbot]

Sam was off doing his job stuff and had been kept out of the NEST loop. They wouldn't even let him in the door remember. Once Prime ranted about being kept in the dark about the Ark's crash landing he said something like "we'll take our ship" and I'm sure there was a shot of it flying to the moon, followed by the bots strolling along the moon. Where that ship came from wasn't explained until Sam was introduced to it. (which is a little sloppy)

[griffin]

That was a funny thing in the movie - they fly to the moon in their 'Autobot-NASA hybrid' ship to get Sentinel (which they show flying in space), and then later we have the "big reveal" of the ship to the audience as if it wasn't used already.

Not sure about the lunar rovers though (there were two of them), as the Autobots didn't need them... and it wasn't a human exploration mission. They looked nice, with the Lunar Module in-shot, but both don't make any sense being there.

[Paulbot]

I assumed those were NEST/US Gov vehicles sent along to send visuals back to Earth so they could watch what the Autobots were doing.

[Sky Shadow]

And so the Xantium then... when exactly did it come to Earth and who were its passengers? Was it just Dino, Que, Brains and the Wreckers?

[LordCyrusOmega]

The Wreckers built it but i'm not sure if they built it on Earth (my guess is yes) or if they arrived on it.

[Sky Shadow]

The Wreckers built it but i'm not sure if they built it on Earth (my guess is yes) or if they arrived on it.

I'm pretty sure they arrived on it, because I remember someone said "it brought the second wave of Autobots" in the film. But my point is, by "second wave" do they mean that the crew of the Xantium was those people and Skids, Mudflap, Arcee, Chromia, Elita-1, Sideswipe etc? Because if Dino, Que, Brains and the Wreckers have been around that long, might they not have been of some use in Revenge of the Fallen?

[griffin]

The comic specifically referred to 'Sideswipe and the others' from the second movie, but in the movie it only mentioned 'second wave'. So it could mean the Wreckers arrived before the second movie, but were just kept in isolation because of their "behavior". And Sam should have known about it already from it being on Earth for at least 2 years.
And the wreckers are like maintenance bots, who attached a decommissioned NASA orbiter/shuttle to the Xantium (in the Movie).
In the comic, they went up to get Sentinel in an Ares V rocket, so the Xantium (which was totally Cybertronian in appearance) was properly introduced at the time the Autobots were being expelled from Earth.

[Paulbot]

Brains was a Decepticon according to the comics right? Like Wheelie he defected which is why he was living with Sam rather than being allowed into NEST HQ, which is why they weren't counted among the number of Autobots on Earth, and why the pair of them referred to themselves as Political Refugees.

I think it makes more sense for the new ship to have brought the second wave of Autobots who responded to Prime's message to all the Autobots among the stars at the end of the first film. So that Sideswipe, Arcee, Jolt & Twins were the first wave, and the Wreckers, Que and Dino were the second.

[liegeprime]

erm pardon me, but I only know Brains... who's Dino and Que? I watched the movie but god knows they pace it fast at times you can't get whose who unless you see it again ( not gonna happen unless it's DVD release:p)

[Paulbot]

erm pardon me, but I only know Brains... who's Dino and Que? I watched the movie but god knows they pace it fast at times you can't get whose who unless you see it again ( not gonna happen unless it's DVD release:p)
Dino (aka Mirage) = Red sports car who looked cool but that's about it.
Que (aka Wheeljack) = Blue robot who gave humans weapons (Sam's glove that let him fight Starscream) and was executed as a prisoner during the Chicago battle.

[Sky Shadow]

erm pardon me, but I only know Brains... who's Dino and Que? I watched the movie but god knows they pace it fast at times you can't get whose who unless you see it again ( not gonna happen unless it's DVD release:p)

Dino was the red car and Que was the other one with hair like Brains who gave the weapons to the humans. (Sorry, I didn't refresh the page and realise that Paulbot had already answered this.)

[liegeprime]

Ooooh So that's who's who. Thanks!

[Ace]

could someone please tell me in the scene where we see the autobots return from the dead, there feels like a section of film was chopped out as it suddenly changes to epps passing sam a gun and saying something. It just seemed like Mr Bay chopped some film which made a few scenes feel uneven, particularly this one. Anything different in the comic adaptations? I know the uneven scenes have been discussed previously but this one stood out to me every time ive seen the film.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Skyhammer is an attack helicopter. The planes they used to para-glide into the city were used for the 'Incinerator (http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Incinerator/incinerator.htm)' toy.
I don't recall the attack helicopter, unless it was inside the NEST base that Sentinel destroyed.I seem to recall seeing a helicopter that looked like Skyhammer in the NEST base.

[SkyWarp91]

I seem to recall seeing a helicopter that looked like Skyhammer in the NEST base.

I had a closer look at the NEST base that Sentinel was gunning down on Saturday, didn't appear to have Skyhammer. They had Hueys and Incinerators but no Skyhammer-like helicopter.

[Paulbot]

I had a closer look at the NEST base that Sentinel was gunning down on Saturday, didn't appear to have Skyhammer. They had Hueys and Incinerators but no Skyhammer-like helicopter.
There's several helicopters around but none jumped out at me as the same type as Skyhammer, but I'm not great at telling them apart.

It's definitely the Xantium that goes to the moon to pick up Sentinel Prime. It's called that by name as they approach.

As to that question of "9 Autobots" I see two possible answers. It's Simmons who says there are 9 Autobots, not any actual official at the base, any NEST member or any Autobot. Just because no one corrects him doesn't mean he was correct.

Simmons has come straight to the base from the hospital after the car chase. He doesn't know Ironhide has been killed (who would have or could have told him?). He doesn't know about the Wreckers (who have never left the base). So as far as he's concerned the 9 Autobots include Ironhide, Brains and Wheelie and not include the trio of engineers he's in the dark about.

The other possibility is that he's just looked at the camera feed of the convoy and counted the cars heading towards the ship (of which there's nine), and just referring to what he can see, and the little guys (which he must only see as pests) slipped his mind.

Next time I watch the movie I'd like to check the Autobot ranks in the final battle scenes. At the very end only Prime, Bumblebee, Ratchet and Sideswipe are present. Is it possible that Dino or the Wreckers may have been shown falling in battle too?

[Gutsman Heavy]

It's worth pointing out that Skyhammers alt is a made up model, so it can't be in the movie since it don't exist.

That should settle that.

[rampagesss]

Don't know if its been posted, but found this on a car forum

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g406/yju895/001.gif

Never seen the Island but is this real did bay just steal it?

[liegeprime]

hmmm prolly

[5FDP]

Don't know if its been posted, but found this on a car forum

Never seen the Island but is this real did bay just steal it?

Sleeve posted it here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=252708&postcount=158). He also directed The Island (Michael Bay that is, not Sleeve :p).

[SkyWarp91]

Bay said that this was just being carbon efficient! ;););)

[5FDP]

;););)

Have you developed a tick or something :D

[Autocon]

Don't know if its been posted, but found this on a car forum

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g406/yju895/001.gif

Never seen the Island but is this real did bay just steal it?

They used this instead of the footage they shot when the girl was injured. They did it out of respect to the family

[Krittle]

Yeah the crew had to stop filming following the media coverage and the poor girl not recovering without permanent side effects. considering that it was respectful and necessary. if they went back to filming that scene, imagine the controversy and headlines... hmm let me think... oh ... "Bay carelessly continues TF3 shooting highway scene after extra is seriously injured." Yeah can definitely see that! dam media.

[Bartrim]

Sleeve posted it here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=252708&postcount=158). He also directed The Island (Michael Bay that is, not Sleeve :p).


Have you developed a tick or something :D

Someone is on comedy fire:D

[5FDP]

Someone is on comedy fire:D

I'm here all week. Try the veal :D

[SkyWarp91]

I gotta question. Why is that when the pillar that is bringing in Cybertron is knocked down the first time the planet is stops in mid-space, but when it's knocked down the second it destroys Cybertron (or part of it) and warps back all those spaceships?

[Paulbot]

I gotta question. Why is that when the pillar that is bringing in Cybertron is knocked down the first time the planet is stops in mid-space, but when it's knocked down the second it destroys Cybertron (or part of it) and warps back all those spaceships?

I believe that when the spacebridge is teleporting Cybertron at first it's not fully materialised at all. When it's knocked down the bridge is disrupted so the transport stops progressing and the planets starts to dematerilise again. When Dylan starts it up again the teleport progresses further and more of the planet starts to become physically present (darker more solid in appearance on film). When the spacebridge is turned off the next time the connection is fully closed and what had materilised in our orbit is sucked back through "subspace" to it's original location, seemingly destroying at least a part of the planet.

Why the spacebridge sucks up the Decepticon ships? That's something I wondered on the second viewing. I think because they arrived on earth via the portal they were coated by some sort of subspace energy on them and are attracted back to subspace when the spacebridge portal is reversed

[i_amtrunks]

Why the spacebridge sucks up the Decepticon ships? That's something I wondered on the second viewing. I think because they arrived on earth via the portal they were coated by some sort of subspace energy on them and are attracted back to subspace when the spacebridge portal is reversed

I thought it may have been some residual reaction to them using the smaller spacebridge to get from the moon to the Earth earlier in the film. Not saying that is what it was, but it was my lazy way of tring to make it make sense... :D

[Decepticon]

Why was there no pretenders like ROTF Alice? I thought they would of included a few. I quite liked Alice!

[Sky Shadow]

Why was there no pretenders like ROTF Alice? I thought they would of included a few. I quite liked Alice!

Indeed. A good question.

[Paulbot]

I see Alice more as a Beast Wars/Predacon rather than a Pretender. She doesn't have a shell, she has a beast mode.

Anyway who's to say there weren't any "Pretenders"? If their disguises are good we wouldn't know. Maybe Buzz Alrdin was replaced with a Pretender during the moon mission so he could give Prime the story that got the plan going in DOTM? The older slightly sinister woman that worked for Dylan? Did she have a 5 foot long robotic tongue to whip Mr Gould with when he got out of line.

And what was the story with Dutch? Did his real programming ("the old me") peak out in the Russian Bar scene? He was able to crack super encryption with supercomputer-type skill.

Clearly though if the Decepticons had many warriors with human beast modes then they wouldn't have needed to manipulate the space agencies' workers with Laserbeak. The Beast mode may have been a unique skill that only "Alice" possessed.

[SkyWarp91]

Maybe Pretenders weren't considered in DOTM because of how people reacted to Alice, I remember this is how I reacted when I first saw that scene in ROTF...

*Alice climbs on Sam*
Me: Oohh we got some kinky action here.. ..Isabel Lucas omg...
*A metal tail comes out of her rear end*
Me: WTF!??! Eww.... heh, I'd still tap it.
*Then her face turns robotic*
Me: Hmm... how am I going to fit it in... ...I mean WTF!?!? The robot bits would tear my skin off! ARHHH!!!!!!!!!

[Sky Shadow]

And what was the story with Dutch? Did his real programming ("the old me") peak out in the Russian Bar scene? He was able to crack super encryption with supercomputer-type skill.

Maybe Dutch was a reprogrammed Alice? I think someone at HasTakTomParaIDWetc should make that canonical.

[i_amtrunks]

Having Dylan be a pretender would have made his actions make more sense...

It is almost as if this film pretends that RotF did not take place... the only real evidence of the events are a few lines of dialogue and Wheelie, there are no twins, Jolt or Arcee, Primes Jet mode is nothing like his Jetfire mode and it is not like they explain Megatrons injuries/new alt mode... :p

[Cyberwing]

Having Dylan be a pretender would have made his actions make more sense...



They probably had it in ROTF just so they could get more older fans who know about them.
What I don't get was that when Laserbeak killed a bunch of scientists or researchers who knew about the whole moon landing project, why not kill everybody else who was associated, like the other woman who went away after Carly was trapped in Soundwave?

[jena]

Having Dylan be a pretender would have made his actions make more sense...

It is almost as if this film pretends that RotF did not take place... the only real evidence of the events are a few lines of dialogue and Wheelie, there are no twins, Jolt or Arcee, Primes Jet mode is nothing like his Jetfire mode and it is not like they explain Megatrons injuries/new alt mode... :p

Didn't Optimus kinda "shed" all of Jetfire's parts at the end of ROTF anyway? I assumed Megatron's new mode was to help him blend in/was more useful while he was slumming it in the middle of nowhere. And perhaps the injuries were just all from the end of ROTF and were never repaired? That's just what I assumed while watching it anyway.

[ike_ike]

was i the only one creeped out by sentinel's floppy wings? all that time staring at renders and i'd always assumed they were solid. reaaaally disturbed out when they flopped around in the wind