Toy Review - Masterpiece MP-10 Convoy ver. 2.0

[Tober]

Toy Review - Masterpiece Convoy

Series - Masterpiece
Sub-line - none
Size/class - NA, aprox 1:32 scale
Released here - no (JP release September 2011)
Approximate Retail Price - US$290
Approximate Size - 23cm
Allegiance - Autobot
Alt-mode - Truck (possibly Freightliner FL86)
Main Features/Gimmicks - More G1 accurate cab, trailer converts to battle station, matrix, Spike figure, axe, foldable/storable gun, Roller.
Main Colours - Red, blue, gray.
Main Accessories - Gun, axe, Roller, Spike.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/TOY-RBT-1535.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/TOY-RBT-1535_02.jpg

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[Tober]

Apologies for the phone pics, I don't have a decent camera as I spent too much on these...


MP-10 Convoy is a smaller, refined version of the original MP-1 Convoy. Where MP-1 was roughly the size of the 1:24 Binaltech line, MP-10 is roughly in scale with the Classics and 1:32 Alternity series of cars.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/IMG_0089.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/IMG_0090.jpg


Gone are many of the gimmicks of MP-1 as well. No moving faceplate, no folding shin vents, no suspension wheels, no light-up matrix, no flip-out wrist communicators. Instead there is a simpler/better transformation sequence, a folding gun that can be stored in MP-10's back or on Roller and a figure of Spike that can fit in the cab. There are no working doors however so Spike has to be inserted through the front windows. The new gun is not proportional with the older more accurate rifle either. The smoke stacks are shorter and collapse still further in bot mode.

Articulation is better in the legs with pull-out ankles that allow for a wide range of standing poses. The elbows and knees are single-jointed so still no full range of movement there. The shoulders can fold out and back but not forward, so he can his rifle in both hands but only just. The hands have articulation in two of the fore-finger joints so he can point, and a single pin that runs through the hand knuckles to open and close a fist. No articulation in the thumb, the wrist is a single swivel. The energy axe fits over a closed fist. The head rotates and pivots up and down. The hips are detented ball joints. The hip pieces that moved on MP-1 are gone inhibiting movement beyond aprox 80 degrees forward.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/IMG_0102.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/IMG_0094.jpg


The trailer can be fully opened up to reveal the command center. It can also be positioned 90 degrees to serve as a repair bay. It has a fold down ramp and opening back doors. The trailer can store a single Binaltech, Classics or Alternity car. The center itself consists of a detailed but largely uncolored interior.There are two seats for the Spike figure to sit in as well as an opening cockpit in the extend-able pod. The pod has an articulated with a double-joint and single joint for two claw prongs. A radar can fold up and rotate. The pod can fit through opening doors in the top of the trailer when closed. The pod rotates but has no missiles or launcher for Roller.

Roller can open at the back revealing a gun holder and 5mm peg holder. Spike has single swivel articulation in both shoulders, hips and knees.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/IMG_0092.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/IMG_0091.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/IMG_0093.jpg http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/IMG_0103.jpg


So does MP-10 kick ass?

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/AUST_Tober/IMG_0099.jpg

Yeah, I'd say it does. Range of motion is still limited but otherwise it's probably the best interpretation of G1 Convoy available.

[Arcee]

Holy...how did you get that photo done? OP kicking Drift? Up in the air? And they balance???

[5FDP]

No moving faceplate, no folding shin vents, no suspension wheels, no light-up matrix, no flip-out wrist communicators.

All of the above = no sale. I can't justify paying nearly $300 for something that is a scaled down / cut-back masterpiece. Oh, and his duck-like feet bother me as well.

[Tober]

Holy...how did you get that photo done? OP kicking Drift? Up in the air? And they balance???

Drift is on a wire. Convoy can hold that pose but not with the added weight.

Journalistic integrity is one of many character flaws I possess. :o

[jena]

All of the above = no sale. I can't justify paying nearly $300 for something that is a scaled down / cut-back masterpiece. Oh, and his duck-like feet bother me as well.

I agree, 100%

[Arcee]

All of the above = no sale. I can't justify paying nearly $300 for something that is a scaled down / cut-back masterpiece. Oh, and his duck-like feet bother me as well.

I am a bit bothered by his waist seemingly too small compare to his chest, and his upper elbow joints too small, kinda like where it should be the biceps the whole arm suddenly shrinks. Didn't even get to notice his feet. Tranformation seem to be better but I think MP-01 & 04 definitely much better proportioned in robot mode.

One more question Tober: how much real metal does he wear on and where?

[Tober]

I am a bit bothered by his waist seemingly too small compare to his chest, and his upper elbow joints too small, kinda like where it should be the biceps the whole arm suddenly shrinks. Didn't even get to notice his feet. Tranformation seem to be better but I think MP-01 & 04 definitely much better proportioned in robot mode.

One more question Tober: how much real metal does he wear on and where?

Yeah, I tend to prefer MP-1's chest proportions too, but I can see why they did it to get a more accurate cab mode.

Metal, good question, I accidental edited the materials out. There's almost no diecast. His toes and heel are diecast (I think). The majority is ABS plastic. Rubber on the wheels (not Roller's), the axe is PVC, vac-formed plastic for the chrome areas.

[jena]

I am a bit bothered by his waist seemingly too small compare to his chest

Seriously, he looks like he's been on some extreme diet. Optimus, you're too skinny! :eek:

[kaiden]

yeah i'm not interested in paying $300 due to terrible exchange rates, a smaller, crappier revision (imo) and well TakaraTomy's reasoning that because they've made something new - we'll pay more.

I'm still hurting from the previous disappointment in MP Rodimus. $200 for a trailer that doesn't quite fit right and all the other problems that they felt did not need proper play testing but just revisions.

so if their master plan involves releasing MP10 as black, grey, white, purple and whatever else colours Prime has been then they can go screw themselves.

[UltraMarginal]

Only IF Something:

needs to be a good price, given I have 2 masterpiece primes already, and masterpiece hot rod is $60 at the moment, 250 +postage is out of the question. maybe for $100 plus postage, but no more than that. I really hope the next masterpiece is a new figure.

I do think it's very nice, well detailed and articulated but it's still 3 times too much money.

[gamblor916]

I'd like this but the price really kills it.

[Sutton]

So it's a no to the Takara version for a lot of people, but what about when the inevitable Hasbro version (sans Trailer, but with a guy who looks like HiQ but isn't named HiQ) comes out? How many takers at the $80 - $100 price point?

[VERT]

So it's a no to the Takara version for a lot of people, but what about when the inevitable Hasbro version (sans Trailer, but with a guy who looks like HiQ but isn't named HiQ) comes out? How many takers at the $80 - $100 price point?

I will get the Takara if I can come up with the $$$ But I would also get the Hasbro regardless.

[Gutsman Heavy]

I'll be waiting for a domestic release.

[gdmetro]

After thinking about this, Mp-10 is something I'd like to get down the road, but the price is just too much for what it is. Id be much more inclined to get a Hasbro release without the trailer if the deco is reasonable...

Perhaps when MP-10 Last shot version comes out.. hopefully by then itd be prices more reasonably. :rolleyes:

[liegeprime]

Hmmm smaller, none of the previous gimmicks (matrix, mouthpiece moving,communicator wrists), duck feet, almost no metal, articulation issues and a whopper of a price tag... no thanks:mad:... the masterpiece line seriously needs an injection of better perspective. So next I guess they'll be coming out with a nother cut-back version of Megs? G2 Tank would be preferable if that ever occurs, only to save us the torment of having to deal with Aus customs.

[Arcee]

Hmmm smaller, none of the previous gimmicks (matrix, mouthpiece moving,communicator wrists), duck feet, almost no metal, articulation issues and a whopper of a price tag... no thanks:mad:... the masterpiece line seriously needs an injection of better perspective. So next I guess they'll be coming out with a nother cut-back version of Megs? G2 Tank would be preferable if that ever occurs, only to save us the torment of having to deal with Aus customs.
Gimme a perfect Ultra Magnus PLEASE!!!!:mad:

[griffin]

I really want this, but even I have my limits when it comes to price... This just isn't a $250+ toy.

[Lord_Zed]

The tone of this thread seems far more presumed negative than usual, given most people haven't actually had a chance to play with the toy yet. I can't help wonder if this is the legacy of MP09 jading people about TAktom's releases. Most of the first reviews seem to have painted a decent picture of the toy, far better than MP09 at least (not that that would be hard).

That said I share the concerns about price, I want to see this toy in real life before I make a call, TBH I prefer the size, and the gimmicks and diecast can be all thrown out the door IF they produce a better toy as far as I'm concerned.

So I guess we shall see.......

Colour me undecided.

[kurdt_the_goat]

Some comparisons! Click to enlarge.

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070885.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070885.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070886.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070886.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070887.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070887.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070888.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070888.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070889.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070889.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070890.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070890.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070891.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070891.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070892.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070892.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070893.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070893.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070895.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070895.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070894.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070894.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070898.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070898.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070899.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070899.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070900.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070900.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070901.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070901.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070902.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070902.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070903.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070903.JPG)

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070904.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070904.JPG)

Unfortunately i don't have MP-4/trailer but that comparison has been made before anyway!
http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070905.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070905.JPG)

MP10, G1 and THS02
http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070906.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070906.JPG)

Holy Matrix Comparison Batman! Top left to bottom right:
Big Convoy, Anime G1 Galvatron, THS01, MP-1, MP-10, MP-9, THS02.
Did Hasbro MP Rodimus come with the same one MP-10 has?
Or was it another new one?
http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070909.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070909.JPG)

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Hasbro rodimus cam with MP1/4's Matrix as well as his little chesty matrix.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-fSFwZpwHEzg/Tk-KZnjYmiI/AAAAAAAAHcA/aEZU0UK9uHQ/s1600-h/IMG_78193.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-0GxId1j4J0g/Tk-Kjj1kYqI/AAAAAAAAHco/FIKzOKmy_r4/s1600-h/IMG_78174.jpg

[kurdt_the_goat]

That's good... I was starting to get a complex about which Matrix molds i was missing :o

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Can we get a few pics of Alternity Bumblebee and Spike pls?

[Lord_Zed]

Nice pictures Kurtd_the_goat, I really do prefer this size to MP01, he seems to work a lot better with most other lines.

Still unsure if I want one though, might wait for Hasbro release.

[kurdt_the_goat]

I eff'd up my batch resize and lost the originals, so only thumbs this time! :o

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070912.JPG
http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070913.JPG
http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070914.JPG
http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070915.JPG

[Sutton]

The tone of this thread seems far more presumed negative than usual, given most people haven't actually had a chance to play with the toy yet. I can't help wonder if this is the legacy of MP09 jading people about TAktom's releases. Most of the first reviews seem to have painted a decent picture of the toy, far better than MP09 at least (not that that would be hard).


Most of us were set to negative the second they said they were doing yet another MP Prime - it's not a big enough improvement over the first one to warrant itself.

What is the point of this exactly? Downsizing Prime so he's in scale with all the other shrunken MP's...?

There's at least 10 TF's I can think of who need the MP treatment well before we needed another Prime.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Cheers kurdt, it looks like Spike can drive 'bee, which is what I was looking at doing when Alt Goldbug comes out.

[kurdt_the_goat]

Actually Spike won't fit inside the vehicle mode :(
It's very close so u might be able to wedge him in there, but it'd be a pain getting him out again!
I guess you could amputate his legs!

[llamatron]

Definitely want to pick this guy up at some point in the future. Really starting to warm up to him, although I wish they gave him wrist communicators.

[KaRNiV8L PRiME]

I really like MP-10

+ The colours are beautiful
+ Great transformation
+ Good size scale
+ It's Optimus
+ Alt mode is the best G1 Optimus cab EVER
+ Even though not much diecast, the plastic feels solid
+ Rifle storage is actually cleaver for ALT mode

- Trigger finger pops off easy
- Right leg hard to slide in/out for transformation
- Left shoulder fells like it will break when transforming
- Trailer door (left) clicks like it is catching when closing
- Prefer the hydraulics on my MP-4
- Price

[kurdt_the_goat]

MP10's growing on me more and more... it really is a much more pick up and play toy versus MP1's high end collectible feel.
Just being able to pose him so easily means i'm playing with it a lot more than i have MP1.
The much better truck mode combined with no risk of breakage... it really is awesome fun to transform, i'm swapping display modes daily!
Anyway, some more pics!

http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070937.JPG (http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070937.JPG)

http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070936.JPG (http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070936.JPG)

A pic with MP1's Megatron accessory.. which MP10 can't really hold properly, unfortunately.
http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070940.JPG (http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070940.JPG)

With MP1's rifle, looks a bit big tbh.
http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070944.JPG (http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070944.JPG)

http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070945.JPG (http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070945.JPG)

http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070948.JPG (http://australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070948.JPG)

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Convoy says "Being surrounded by my woodland Chums has made my right wiper nipple excited. Take THAT Mr Spock!"

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k313/Wootnchoo/IMG_9732.jpg

I quite like this toy. I found myself leaving it at work and messing about with it in my down time. Good fun. Love the foldy gun, hate the HUGE energon Axe, its just too damn large. Love the look of the robot and haven't actually got around to transforming it as the robot mode is enticing me to play quite a bit. All the thing s that I thought would annoy me (feet for example) don't bother me that much. Just that axe.

Glad I let Kurdt convinve me to get one. Just a shame about the exchange rate and postage.

I know they said it was going to be 22000 yen, but most places have it at aout 17000 which isnt that bad. The exchange rate and postage for this baby just pushed me over the "What have I done????" point, but the fun of the toy has managed to make me not care that much.

Bring me Ultra Magnus!!

[VERT]

I cant put him down. Like what was said before this Optimus feels like something you can fiddle with. Never wanted to do that with the other in fear of the paint. Not much metal. Just Feet and Matrix are Die-Cast. But thats okay just wish he was cheaper.

Yeah it cost to much but im happy I did it now that I have it.

[Robzy]

I love the look of him and can't wait to pick one up when I get home.

[The Scream Man]

is it confirmed the Hasbro one wont have the trailer? Coz that will help me decide i have to admit...

Looks great though!

[Sutton]

is it confirmed the Hasbro one wont have the trailer? Coz that will help me decide i have to admit...

Looks great though!

I think it's all just speculation at this point, based on the way they handled Rodimus.

[kup]

A Hasbro release could work as long as they don't make him pink or some other stupid Hasbro color.

[Sutton]

A Hasbro release could work as long as they don't make him pink or some other stupid Hasbro color.

:D:D:D

Those anniversary packs warmed the shelves for a loooong time...

[ChlorHex]

It looks great but I won't be in a hurry to grab myself one even though I love Primes... one thing I don't get is how the trailer is always left as an empty shell without any paint/decals or cool gimmicks to spruce it up :confused:
Considering that this is the 2nd masterpiece Prime (that plus the price), I'd kinda expected the trailer to be vastly improved from the 1st larger MP Prime which IMO was a larger photocopied version of the G1 trailer... only with better wheels/suspension.

[1orion2many]

:confused:Very Revoltech looking to me and I'm not a big fan of them:rolleyes:. To me the Masterpiece line is going away from what I thought it was meant to be, A collectors line. I can't say it's getting cheaper (not for the consumer anyway:rolleyes:) but they are going cheaper materials with scaled down figures, If the price point dropped with the what I can only guess must be reduced material costs then I'd have an interest, until then this is a definite miss for me.

[jaina85]

this updated optimus is just amazing compared to the first masterpiece, as long as i try not to think about the price :( the first one feels so blocky and clunky by comparison. i love the little details like the side mirrors and the fact there's even an engine inside!

the only thing that bugged me was how.. well, how dead his eyes looked, so i took a huge risk for such an expensive thing and took his head apart (WARNING, IT'S REALLYREALLYHARD TO PUT IT BACK TOGETHER because the little grooved pieces in his ears are seperate to the antenna and fall out all over everywhere) so i could paint some clear blue shimmer nailpolish over the eye piece. i didn't trust myself to not make a mess of his eyes if i didn't take him apart first, so at least it's neat!

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb366/jaina85/eyes.jpg

it's hard to capture on my phone, but the effect is actually quite subtle and really makes his eyes come alive :D

[UltraMarginal]

nicely done! should copy to the creative/art thread

[STL]

Massive fan of this.

I think a lot of what thsi version does well is in nuance. It is head and shoulders above MP1 (which I loved by the way) and one of the main reasons is the posability and stability of the figure. He holds his position without wobbling. The weapons storage is highly innovative. The handling of the lights and front panels is very clever. The articulation is phenomenal as well. I was very excited by this when I saw the pictures out of box showcasing the poseability and I was not wrong. Alt mode is great too although I'm disappointed my trailer which had a smudging mark across the top of it that's disappointing for out of the box. Roller too is well nuanced too.

My only gripe is the leg pieces don't stick together well. (Am I doing anything wrong?) Price tag? I'm not fussed. This Prime is head and shoulders better than the original and I am now very glad they re-did this b/c I see myself actually playing with this one more often and really not having to worry about it faling flat on its face b/c of weak ankle joints.. I know it looks similar but appearances can be deceiving. It's all about nuance and this Prime is easily more than meets the eyes.

[canofwhoopass_87]

Ah hell I'm sold. Got to buy one now :D

Where did you guys pick yours up? The cheapest I can find is over at http://www.amiami.jp/shop/?set=english&vgForm=ProductInfo&sku=TOY-RBT-1535&template=default/product/e_display.html for 16,120 JPY (about $205AU)

any cheaper alternatives? Prefer Japanese based stores - since their shipping rates are kick ass

[Tober]

That's a good price, but Japan Post is privatised. HK Post is usually much cheaper.

[5FDP]

the first one feels so blocky and clunky by comparison.

It's G1... it's meant to be blocky ;) :p


It is head and shoulders above MP1

I thought MP1 stood taller :D

[GoktimusPrime]

Could some please post side-by-side comparison pics with MP1?

Also, just by means of price comparison:
MP04 = 18900JPY (239AUD)
MP10 = 23100JPY (293AUD)

So MP10 is 4200JPY ($53) more expensive than MP04... that's pretty substantial. 4200JPY is the RRP for a Voyager Class DOTM toy, and likewise in Australia it'd buy you a Voyager DOTM toy at full RRP with $3 change!

Without having ever seen MP10 in person I really can't judge it... but it does seem rather expensive. Size wise, I saw some pics on TakaraTOMY's official site and there's a pic of MP10 Convoy next to MP Rodimus and they look to be about the same size. I'm not home right now, but IIRC MP Convoy's about 30.5cm in robot mode... Rodimus... erm... maybe 25cm?? (very rough guesstimation) <shrug>

It does seem like a neat figure, but not sure if it's worth paying nearly $300 for (and that's not even including postage)... the only toy I've ever paid $300 for was Brave Maximus.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Most places I have seen it at aren't charging 23100 yen though. I think I found mine from amiami for about 16000 or so.

[kurdt_the_goat]

I did a pic earlier comparing some Primes, click to enlarge:

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070885.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070885.JPG)

I did some research during a price discussion earlier - retail vs actual cost swings the results in MP-10's favour a bit:

MP-04 - 18,900Y retail down to 12,852Y (-6,048Y) @ Bigbe Rakuten
MP-09 - 17,640Y retail down to 11,500Y (-6,140Y) @ Amazon Japan
MP-10 - 23,100Y retail down to 15,992Y (-7,108Y) @ Amazon Japan
That's 3,140Y more expensive than MP-04, 5 years later.

It's also fairly close to what other high end transformable toys go for:
God Sigma - 24,150Y retail down to 19,800Y (-4,350Y) @ Amazon Japan
Daltanious - 23,100Y retail, down to 16,632Y (-6,468Y) @ Bigbe

Or Macross. The recently announced VF-17s retails for 24,800 and only comes down to 21,800 with discount. It comes with a 2cm tall pilot, and a gun!

Yamato is a smaller company though so we're probably paying a lot because of that. There's too much info that we aren't privy to, that determines how much these things cost, so if i have the money and want the toy (now) i don't dwell on it too much.

[yoshi594]

I did a pic earlier comparing some Primes, click to enlarge:

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070885.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070885.JPG)

I did some research during a price discussion earlier - retail vs actual cost swings the results in MP-10's favour a bit:

MP-04 - 18,900Y retail down to 12,852Y (-6,048Y) @ Bigbe Rakuten
MP-09 - 17,640Y retail down to 11,500Y (-6,140Y) @ Amazon Japan
MP-10 - 23,100Y retail down to 15,992Y (-7,108Y) @ Amazon Japan
That's 3,140Y more expensive than MP-04, 5 years later.

It's also fairly close to what other high end transformable toys go for:
God Sigma - 24,150Y retail down to 19,800Y (-4,350Y) @ Amazon Japan
Daltanious - 23,100Y retail, down to 16,632Y (-6,468Y) @ Bigbe

Or Macross. The recently announced VF-17s retails for 24,800 and only comes down to 21,800 with discount. It comes with a 2cm tall pilot, and a gun!

Yamato is a smaller company though so we're probably paying a lot because of that. There's too much info that we aren't privy to, that determines how much these things cost, so if i have the money and want the toy (now) i don't dwell on it too much.

But yeah, money aside this figure looks fan-diddly-tastic. Can't wait to open him up and grope him :cool:

[Lord_Zed]

But yeah, money aside this figure looks fan-diddly-tastic. Can't wait to open him up and grope him :cool:

Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.
Publilius Syrus
(~100 BC)

Although I'm not quite sold on this one yet.

[canofwhoopass_87]

I did a pic earlier comparing some Primes, click to enlarge:

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070885.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070885.JPG)

Ok my gf just ordered one from amiami for my bday. Gosh MP10 is so much smaller than MP04 :(

MP Megatron must tower over this new Prime too then. Hope they redo Megsy as well, or my Prime will strike a lonely figure on ze bookshelf.

[primetime]

I did a pic earlier comparing some Primes, click to enlarge:

http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/250/P1070885.JPG (http://www.australian-postcodes.com/toys/mp10/1024/P1070885.JPG)

I did some research during a price discussion earlier - retail vs actual cost swings the results in MP-10's favour a bit:

MP-04 - 18,900Y retail down to 12,852Y (-6,048Y) @ Bigbe Rakuten
MP-09 - 17,640Y retail down to 11,500Y (-6,140Y) @ Amazon Japan
MP-10 - 23,100Y retail down to 15,992Y (-7,108Y) @ Amazon Japan
That's 3,140Y more expensive than MP-04, 5 years later.

It's also fairly close to what other high end transformable toys go for:
God Sigma - 24,150Y retail down to 19,800Y (-4,350Y) @ Amazon Japan
Daltanious - 23,100Y retail, down to 16,632Y (-6,468Y) @ Bigbe

Or Macross. The recently announced VF-17s retails for 24,800 and only comes down to 21,800 with discount. It comes with a 2cm tall pilot, and a gun!

Yamato is a smaller company though so we're probably paying a lot because of that. There's too much info that we aren't privy to, that determines how much these things cost, so if i have the money and want the toy (now) i don't dwell on it too much.

On that note then, what you get in terms of a toy for GodSigma and Daltanious is FAR SUPERIOR than what you get with MP-10.

Both have more diecast - far superior paint finish, and you get tons of accessories and play value. Google the reviews if you are interested, you won't regret it.

On the VF-17S, I fell off my chair when I heard the price, never had Yamato released something so damn expensive for something so simple - not even the mythical Low Vis VF that was released years ago!

It's crazy but like Kurdt says, if you want it now pay up, I guess it's better for these toys to be produced and expensive rather than nothing at all right??!!

[1orion2many]

I don't think it's better these are produced overly expensive as that actually stops me buying them. So really as far as I'm concerned being released at an expensive price point or not being released at all is the same thing for me:rolleyes:

[willocrew]

I haven't purchased a transformer for more than a year (last one was MP Grimlock)...glad to announce that MP10 is on the way:)

[kup]

I don't think it's better these are produced overly expensive as that actually stops me buying them. So really as far as I'm concerned being released at an expensive price point or not being released at all is the same thing for me:rolleyes:

I am falling into that category. After the debacle that was the first MP Rodimus release, I am not trusting that these figures reflect the premium prices they are asking for them.

[willocrew]

Review: Robot Mode

I finally got hold of the MP10 figure and only had the chance to check out the robot mode & the accessories. Didn't really get a chance to transform it yet or to even play around with the trailer.

My initial impression of MP10 is very good. The robot mode is the most aesthetically pleasing G1-inspired Optimus Prime to date. It looks great from every angle (much better than my MP01 which looks good only from the front). In fact, the Matrix chamber has been given a very nice facelift as well with very detailed molded internal circuitry.

Incidentally, the stability of this figure is the best I have seen from a transformer (well take it with a grain of salt since I don't own too many transformers). I'll try to take pics but MP10 can actually do the Michael Jackson 45 degrees foward lean and you can leave it like that without having the figure topple over.

In terms of the gimmicks, I can't say I really miss the moving mouth, vents and LED lights. Those were cool but really not as big of a deal as the absence of the flip-up screens which I thought takara should have included (it's not that hard!). That being said, I think the gun storage really makes up for that. Some people might think its pointless, but I think it is neat to have a figure that is able to store its accessories in it and yet look good.

The other apprehension I have about the figure is the finger articulation. I would have preferred full finger articulation like Rodimus Prime. But then again we have seen how well those hands are able to hold the guns so maybe its not a bad thing.

Overall, my opinion is that if Takara had really gone all out and added some extra cool features, this mold could have been the definitive Optimus Prime of all time. But as it stands, the MP10 doesn't quite make the MP01 obsolete. Instead it offers you something different. The MP10 does so many things well but I think it could have done a little bit more.

So in conclusion, my suggestion is that if you do not have a Masterpiece Optimus with a trailer, you need to seriously consider getting the MP10. If you already have a trailer and if you aren't that big of an Optimus Prime fan, then I think you probably might want to wait for the Hasbro release.

Eitherway, both the MP10 and MP01 warrants a place in your collection because they are both great figures for different reasons.





I am falling into that category. After the debacle that was the first MP Rodimus release, I am not trusting that these figures reflect the premium prices they are asking for them.

It depends on what you mean by value.

In terms of quality control issues, the MP10s in general appear to be free of any major QC issues based on customer feedback. But it remains to be seen whether this is the result of Takara raising their game in response to the MP09 debacle or whether it is down to a possibility that not many collectors are buying the MP10s and so there simply isn't enough MP10s in collector's hands for any major defects in the MP10 mold to be uncovered.

In terms of value that the purchaser gets, this is really up to the person. I think it largely depends on how big of an Optimus Prime fan you are.

IMO, all the Hasbro masterpiece releases thus far have been inferior to the Takara releases (The only exception to this is the Hasbro Starscream release). So one has to ask whether they think it is worth it forking out a significantly larger amount of money for the slightly better features.

[GoktimusPrime]

IMO, all the Hasbro masterpiece releases thus far have been inferior to the Takara releases (The only exception to this is the Hasbro Starscream release). So one has to ask whether they think it is worth it forking out a significantly larger amount of money for the slightly better features.
One could also argue that Hasbro's MP Grimlock and Rodimus are better than TakaraTOMY's too.

Okay, with Grimlock it's pretty subjective. For people who prefer the G1 comics but aren't fans of Nel Yomtov's crappy colouring, Hasbro's MP Grimlock is fantastic. TakaraTOMY's MP Grimmies hold more appeal for fans of G1 cartoon Grimlock and/or fans of G1 comic Grimlock but who _like_ Yomtov's colouring.

Rodimus on the other hand had some improvements to the mould. The clip on the back works better than on TOMY's Rodimus (still not fantastic, but it's improved) and a big improvement is with the gun tabs, allowing Rodimus to actually hold his guns (whereas TOMY MP Roddie seems nigh incapable of holding his own weapons). In terms of colour schemes, they're both good -- again it's a matter of subjective taste. Fans of cartoon colours would prefer TOMY Rodimus whereas fans of toy-accurate colours may prefer Hasbro Rodimus. Having said that, objectively speaking TOMY Rodimus does have a nicer paint job simply because there's a lot more detail put into it whereas Hasbro's is pretty lazy in some parts (e.g. car interior is "uncoloured," ditto the "thrusters" on the back of the car etc.). But then again, Hasbro Rodimus is a helluva lot cheaper than TOMY Rodimus... sure, TOMY Rodimus comes with the trailer, but the trailer isn't all that awesome... it's essentially just an upsized and slightly fancier version of the G1 trailer, and worst of all it scrapes the robot's spoiler when you attach it!

Hasbro MP Skywarp is the only MP toy I've never seen IRL, but judging from pictures - again much like MP Rodimus I think there's an appeal factor there for fans of toy-accuracy, but it does appear lazy in some areas where stuff looks unpainted. But I don't think Hasbro Skywarp looks bad or anything.

In fact, the only Hasbro MP that I personally find horrible is Optimus Prime. The shortened smokestacks just look stupid and the try-hard "battle damage" just looks like it's been pre-smudged by some kid with grotty fingers. The subsequent release just looked too cartoony for my liking, and still suffered from the shortened smokestacks. Other than that I find the other Hasbro MPs to be fairly decent. :)

[willocrew]

One could also argue that Hasbro's MP Grimlock and Rodimus are better than TakaraTOMY's too.

Okay, with Grimlock it's pretty subjective. For people who prefer the G1 comics but aren't fans of Nel Yomtov's crappy colouring, Hasbro's MP Grimlock is fantastic. TakaraTOMY's MP Grimmies hold more appeal for fans of G1 cartoon Grimlock and/or fans of G1 comic Grimlock but who _like_ Yomtov's colouring.

Rodimus on the other hand had some improvements to the mould. The clip on the back works better than on TOMY's Rodimus (still not fantastic, but it's improved) and a big improvement is with the gun tabs, allowing Rodimus to actually hold his guns (whereas TOMY MP Roddie seems nigh incapable of holding his own weapons). In terms of colour schemes, they're both good -- again it's a matter of subjective taste. Fans of cartoon colours would prefer TOMY Rodimus whereas fans of toy-accurate colours may prefer Hasbro Rodimus. Having said that, objectively speaking TOMY Rodimus does have a nicer paint job simply because there's a lot more detail put into it whereas Hasbro's is pretty lazy in some parts (e.g. car interior is "uncoloured," ditto the "thrusters" on the back of the car etc.). But then again, Hasbro Rodimus is a helluva lot cheaper than TOMY Rodimus... sure, TOMY Rodimus comes with the trailer, but the trailer isn't all that awesome... it's essentially just an upsized and slightly fancier version of the G1 trailer, and worst of all it scrapes the robot's spoiler when you attach it!

Hasbro MP Skywarp is the only MP toy I've never seen IRL, but judging from pictures - again much like MP Rodimus I think there's an appeal factor there for fans of toy-accuracy, but it does appear lazy in some areas where stuff looks unpainted. But I don't think Hasbro Skywarp looks bad or anything.

In fact, the only Hasbro MP that I personally find horrible is Optimus Prime. The shortened smokestacks just look stupid and the try-hard "battle damage" just looks like it's been pre-smudged by some kid with grotty fingers. The subsequent release just looked too cartoony for my liking, and still suffered from the shortened smokestacks. Other than that I find the other Hasbro MPs to be fairly decent. :)

I think lots of folks will agree the rodimus prime figure that was first released by taktom was a real cop out. I don't own a rodimus prime Mp figure but word on the street is that the version 2 release by taktomy is even better than Hasbro.

But QC aside, the grey faced hasbro Rodimus just doesn't look good at all IMO.

[STL]

I think lots of folks will agree the rodimus prime figure that was first released by taktom was a real cop out. I don't own a rodimus prime Mp figure but word on the street is that the version 2 release by taktomy is even better than Hasbro.

But QC aside, the grey faced hasbro Rodimus just doesn't look good at all IMO.

With you on that. Hasbro Rodimus' face is jsut fugly. I can tolerate it b/c of price but it is as you say inferior. Takara did stuff up on the first run however and although they fixed it, it doesn't change that MP-09 is bettter than Hasbro Rodimus. Hasbro also does not have trailer which while you barely use is a nice touch and always nice to have. I fight myself over the question of the trailer and for G1 at least, I think it's important unless u do creative stuff like FP or Maketoys with the trailer.

In terms of rest of MPs

MP1 > Hasbro
MP2 - no comparison but lovely repaint
MP3 < Hasbro; b/c Hasbro released a non-green version - will reverse with MP11 however.
MP4 - no comparison but easily superior choice to MP-01
MP5 - no comparison
MP6 > Takara, the yellow eyes and cheaper paints just don't cut it.
MP7 - no comparison
MP8 < Hasbro subjective on which your a fan of but I'd say Hasbro's had more gimmicks so it wins but my personal preference is MP8 with the cartoon which is what most of us really grew up with and made us like the line
MP9 > Hasbro; minus the problems fixed up in the remod
MP10 > ?

So of 5 comparable points
Hasbro: 2
Takara: 3

But with one reversing it's going to be

Takara 4 > Hasbro 1.

So I would argue Takara is still a better bet. It's also more likely to have QC problems ahead of Hasbro b/c it generally (unlike other lines) releases MPs first.

[theheretic]

I love my MP-10 way more than MP-01 BUT first transform of my MP-10 broke a plastic hinge on his leg and I'm having major trouble trying to repair it. I'm on holidays at the moment but when I get back I'll be putting pics up in order to get ideas on how to fix the damage. I'd love to know if anyone else has had any problems with their MP-10's

[GoktimusPrime]

How does having a dark gray face make Hasbro MP Rodimus inherently "inferior"? It's a cosmetic change and intentionally done so to make the toy more G1 toy accurate. If you prefer cartoon likeness, then sure, I can see how TOMY's MP Rodimus would hold more appeal -- but for people who prefer toy accuracy, Hasbro MP Rodimus holds greater appeal.

I would agree that the lack of paint apps on the interior of Hasbro Roddie's driving compartment and a few other places like the waist plate and rear "thrusters" are inferior to TOMY's because they just lack as much different colours (typically Hasbro cheaped out and gave the toy less paints)... but I don't agree that having a more toy-accurate colour scheme makes the toy any better or worse than TOMY's. Whether you prefer TOMY or Hasbro MP Roddie's colours depends on your preference for show or toy accurate colours - so it's completely subjective and based on people's personal bias.

Also... remember when Takara's MP Starscream first came out? People were up in arms about that toy and people said that was Takara's first cop out of a MP toy from Takara. HasTak have since improved that mould with subsequent uses of it - primarily with the use of better plastic, but they haven't been able to hide a lot of the drawbacks of its design. MP Starscream copped a LOT of criticism when it first came out - with people derisively calling it "Greenscream." I distinctly remember this toy being the first Takara MP that copped widespread criticism from fans.

[STL]

I love my MP-10 way more than MP-01 BUT first transform of my MP-10 broke a plastic hinge on his leg and I'm having major trouble trying to repair it. I'm on holidays at the moment but when I get back I'll be putting pics up in order to get ideas on how to fix the damage. I'd love to know if anyone else has had any problems with their MP-10's

I haven't had any problems to date. Very solid.

Though I did have troubles trying to lock the two feet together. Not sure if I'm missing anything but they won't clip nicely and unhinge

[canofwhoopass_87]

WoooOOoo got MP10 in ze mail on Monday! Won't be opening it just yet - though all of the positive talk about his sheer awesomeness is tempting me big time.

In regards to MP Rodimus - I walked past a bucketload of sale-priced Hasbro's at TRU a few weeks back and just had to give it a miss. $60 is an absolute bargain, but it just looked and felt so cheap and tacky whilst in my hands.

Kudos to Hasbro for giving us something local, but man it's hard to disagree with willo and STL.

[willocrew]

How does having a dark gray face make Hasbro MP Rodimus inherently "inferior"?

"Inferior" was probably too harsh a description. "Less polished" is probably more appropriate.

Takara's versions are usually more polished - e.g. Sharper teeth and claws on Grimlock. But whether or not it is worth the price difference will depend largely on whether the purchaser is a big fan of the character.

For me personally, I'm a bit of a sucker for Optimus Primes and totally snapped up MP10 without thinking twice when the opportunity presented itself. In fact, I like MP10 so much I'll quite likely pick up the Hasbro version as well so I can have something a bit cheaper to play/transform around with. :D and that is quite unusual because I usually don't buy figures of the same mold.

[willocrew]

I love my MP-10 way more than MP-01 BUT first transform of my MP-10 broke a plastic hinge on his leg and I'm having major trouble trying to repair it. I'm on holidays at the moment but when I get back I'll be putting pics up in order to get ideas on how to fix the damage. I'd love to know if anyone else has had any problems with their MP-10's

Which hinge is this? Is it the front shin flaps containing the grey shin vents?

I transformed MP10 for the first time yesterday and it took me quite a while cuz I didn't want to scratch the paint. The hinges of the leg flaps on my MP10 were also quite tight and I had to really nurse the flaps apart gently. But once I got the flaps to flip, they began to loosen up nicely and move much easier.

[Tober]

I love my MP-10 way more than MP-01 BUT first transform of my MP-10 broke a plastic hinge on his leg and I'm having major trouble trying to repair it. I'm on holidays at the moment but when I get back I'll be putting pics up in order to get ideas on how to fix the damage. I'd love to know if anyone else has had any problems with their MP-10's

Which retailer did you purchase from? If it's a factory error you may be able to get a replacement part... depending.

Please don't say Robot Kingdom or eBay...:(

[kup]

How does having a dark gray face make Hasbro MP Rodimus inherently "inferior"? It's a cosmetic change and intentionally done so to make the toy more G1 toy accurate. If you prefer cartoon likeness, then sure, I can see how TOMY's MP Rodimus would hold more appeal -- but for people who prefer toy accuracy, Hasbro MP Rodimus holds greater appeal.



I am not sure if the Hasbro gray face is intended to be for toy accuracy. The gray in the G1 toy is very light while the Hasbro MP is much darker. I would say that as far as the face is concerned, the Takara-Tomy release is actually closer in color to the toy than the Hasbro version. The only thing that makes the Hasbro release more toy accurate are the tampograph decals.

However on the point that color schemes are subjective and not a true indication of construction or material quality, I totally agree.

[theheretic]

Which hinge is this? Is it the front shin flaps containing the grey shin vents?

I transformed MP10 for the first time yesterday and it took me quite a while cuz I didn't want to scratch the paint. The hinges of the leg flaps on my MP10 were also quite tight and I had to really nurse the flaps apart gently. But once I got the flaps to flip, they began to loosen up nicely and move much easier.

It's hard to describe exactly without him in hand (I'm in coffs harbor on holiday and live in ballarat so he's 16hours away driving) but it's the hinges attached to his lower leg/calf and has the chrome fuel tank on it too. I purchased him from BBTS so I'll email them and see what they say. I've purchased a large amount from them and currently have some more in my pile of loot, so hopefully they'll look after me.

[canofwhoopass_87]

I had a bit of a mixup with BBTS awhile back and their customer service was great to deal with. Apologised and issued store credit quite promptly. I'm not a big fan of their "pile of loot" however. I had loot sitting there with pre order items for nearly half a year. Adding in more items just shot up the shipping cost as if they were being shipped individually, not as a combined parcel :confused:

In my experience, BBTS' POL doesn't really offer much of a saving

[willocrew]

It's hard to describe exactly without him in hand (I'm in coffs harbor on holiday and live in ballarat so he's 16hours away driving) but it's the hinges attached to his lower leg/calf and has the chrome fuel tank on it too. I purchased him from BBTS so I'll email them and see what they say. I've purchased a large amount from them and currently have some more in my pile of loot, so hopefully they'll look after me.

Sounds like you're referring to the plastic flaps that act as a wheel cover.

Hopefully BIgbad toystore covers you.

But even if they don't, on the upside, those flaps don't do much except cover the wheels in bot mode (it doesn't do anything at all in vehicle mode except sit underneath the truck. Some folks actually prefer having the wheels exposed like MP01.

[theheretic]

Just went to send them an email and couldn't find my order number... So I went over to another site I visit and wouldn't ya know it! Apparently I ordered it from TFsource. So emailed them instead. So I'll have to see what they say about it.

[lcz128]

This is an excellent toy. Sure, it costs a fair amount, but once you have it in hand, it is just SO WORTH IT. It just plays so well! THe transformation is so intuitive and enjoyable - it is a FUN toy.

Some comparisons:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/lcz128_photos/2KK_Blog/201112/98e0e6a9.jpg

But this is just too fun a toy to put down!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/lcz128_photos/2KK_Blog/201112/16b0b59b.jpg

Pity I have to fly overseas tomorrow and leave this behind :(

[GoktimusPrime]

Pity I have to fly overseas tomorrow and leave this behind :(
Bring him with you dude. Always fun to have a TF toy to play with aboard a flight. :)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/China/2011%20Shantou/grapple_plane.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/misc%20photo%20skits/th_scourge_gen4.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/misc%20photo%20skits/Lugnut/lugnut_plane2.jpg

[jaydisc]

EXCEPTIONAL toy! Worth every penny. If it takes $250 to get something of this quality, then I'm happy to pay $250 for every upcoming toy.

Paint job, transformation, the look of both modes, articulation, level of detail, gimmicks. Everything about it is just fantastic!

Easily wins Toy of the Year 2011!


My only gripe is the leg pieces don't stick together well. (Am I doing anything wrong?)

I find if you take the flaps that fold on the bottom and let them overlap, the rest of the legs hold together well.


How does having a dark gray face make Hasbro MP Rodimus inherently "inferior"?

It looks cheap, ugly, incomplete, and unfinished.

I never understand the argument for "toy accuracy". Wouldn't that make a KO or an original the best toy then? With cartoon or fiction accuracy, you are striving to get as close to something that does not actually exist, whereas with "toy accuracy", you're striving to be as close to something that already exists? Why not just enjoy the original?

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Welp, finally opened the big guy up. Aside from a slightly crooked right head antenna and fairly loose heels the QC is pretty good, and both of those are fairly minor complaints. The eyes could do with being less dark, and the right trigger finger pops off fairly easily. Spike is tiny, so he's not compatible with the HA figures and Prime won't work with the HA humans. Pity.

Other than that, he's pretty sweet. The engineering is amazing as you'd expect, and the transformation is at just the right level of difficulty IMO. Not quite worth the asking price IMO but he's very much the definitive Prime and I'm glad I have him.
I haven't opened up my PE-11 Scouting Force X set yet, but as it stands he's the number one favourite TF acquisition of the year, and equal (http://myanimeshelf.com/figures/116118_HGIF_Sadamoto_Yoshiyuki_Collection:Katsurag i_Misato) second favourite collectible/toy acquisition after the Good Smile Tachikoma.

[GoktimusPrime]

I never understand the argument for "toy accuracy". Wouldn't that make a KO or an original the best toy then?

With cartoon or fiction accuracy, you are striving to get as close to something that does not actually exist, whereas with "toy accuracy", you're striving to be as close to something that already exists? Why not just enjoy the original?
Continued here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=279336) :)

[lcz128]

More than a month on and still loving the toy.
If this much later I keep picking up the toy and fiddling with it I know this has been more than worth my cash. (:

[Bidoofdude]

So is this a good MP to start with. I'm getting the Hasbro version- $150 seems fair.

[kup]

So is this a good MP to start with. I'm getting the Hasbro version- $150 seems fair.

If you don't have any prior MP Prime releases, yeah it is a good one to start with.

The Japanese version of this mols is much nicer but very expensive. The Hasbro version is hard to call although it does have a lot of hasbro grey but it may turn out considerably cheaper.

[GoktimusPrime]

The Japanese version definitely has gorgeous colours, but at nearly double* the cost of what the Hasbro one's slated to sell for here, even with an abundant amount of "Hasblo Grey" I would still consider the Hasbro version to be a fair deal. I can't justify paying for the TakTOM version (esp. when I already have MP01)... but I'm willing to pay $150 for MP10v2.0 ;)

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*MP10 RRP = 23100JPY = $285... that's just for the toy alone; factor in postage and it'd easily cost $300(+).

[gdmetro]

RobotKingdom (http://www.robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/main.php?action=details&CatType=Category&II=TFTRMP10H&lang=us&CatID=41_278)has them for $180.


Don't know how that will reflect on the retail price here, or how much RK has upped the price. Although I remember the Hasbro Grimlock from RK was cheaper than retail here- not sure about Rodimus.

[kup]

RobotKingdom (http://www.robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/main.php?action=details&CatType=Category&II=TFTRMP10H&lang=us&CatID=41_278)has them for $180.


Don't know how that will reflect on the retail price here, or how much RK has upped the price. Although I remember the Hasbro Grimlock from RK was cheaper than retail here- not sure about Rodimus.

That is still pretty expensive for a Hasbro release..

[Tober]

Interesting, $180AUD is what I paid for MP-10... Nine months ago. :rolleyes:

[Trent]

Yeah I can't say that I'll pay $180 for the Hasbro version. That's getting pretty expensive. Considering I already have MP-04.

We still don't know for sure if it'll be released in Oz yet do we??

[1orion2many]

I think so far we have had all the Hasbro MP releases so I can't see why we wouldn't get this one;):)

[Tober]

Yeah I can't say that I'll pay $180 for the Hasbro version. That's getting pretty expensive. Considering I already have MP-04.

We still don't know for sure if it'll be released in Oz yet do we??

Griffin received confirmation from Toys 'R' Us a few months ago.

Hasbro MP Optimus coming to Australia October (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=13576)


Masterpiece Optimus Prime WILL BE HERE.
ToysRUs have two shipments coming in. One in late September (in stores early October), one in November (in stores for Christmas).

Price will be AU$150.

[loophole]

Well about a month ago I caved and bought the Jap version couldn't find the hasbro one locally so went for the expensive one and I'm glad that I did. Love the colours on it and the figure itself is absolutely brilliant!! The only complaint I have is the "dead eyes" which I fixed in about 10 mins ;)

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll214/Loophole83/TF%20Customs%20and%20Purchases/P1010327_zpsfa43c3db.jpg

much better now :D

[lancalot]

yeah my one got a dead eye ...how did you fix it?

[loophole]

yeah my one got a dead eye ...how did you fix it?

Hey I dissasembled the head and painted the eyes with a tamiya spray can and then put back together

[GoktimusPrime]

Quick comparison of TakaraTOMY's MP10 w/ Hasbro's (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=14607) -- just the cab robot so far...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/masterpiece%20optimus%20prime/mp10convoy00_zpsy2v09ifj.jpg
I can see what some people mean about TakTOM's eyes being dull compared to Hasbro's. The darker metallic blues on TakTOM's eyes seem to work better in theory than practice. But overall, TakTOM's darker colours do look much nicer. I like how TakTOM even painted the interior of the gun stowage compartment black! :eek: Cosmetic differences aside, both chest doors on my TakTOM MP10 do sit flush, whereas one of the ones on my Hasbro MP10 doesn't, especially in truck mode.

[Megatran]

Nice image Gok.

Hasbro has the yellow paint app on Primes 'collar bone' ... a nice touch. TakTom looks to have a darker plastic grey which looks great with the darker blue.

Well worth getting both if one can afford it.

[willocrew]

You know what is weird? When this MP 10 first came out, heaps of people on another forum were upset saying it was a step backward, too small, overpriced,bcankles etc and that they would rather keep their MP1 /MP4 and pay for the third party mp1 downscaled ripoff for generations series.

Fast forward a few years where are they? Almost all of them have an MP10 now.

It's funny how certain sections of our community can be so fickle!

I've had MP10 for a few years now and daaam it's the best G1 Optimus prime we have and will probably get ever. Our community is growing older and I doubt takara/hasbro will ever revisit Optimus prime in his G1 form again at least in a ready to play, transformable form. I'm not really sold on those highly poseable non-transformable statues.

[GoktimusPrime]

I still think that MP-1 is definitely the superior MP toy; comparatively MP10 just doesn't compare. Having said that, MP10 is the better "package" in terms of coming with the trailer and Roller; so considering that they packed in more stuff with MP10, it's perfectly acceptable that the main cab robot wouldn't be anywhere near the level of MP-1. I can perfectly understand why people who already own MP1 might find MP10 to be redundant, as I felt the same way when MP10 was first released and skipped that toy. I since acquired Hasbro's MP10 after it came out here for nearly half the price of TakTOM's.

[Kranix]

I have to say I most definitely prefer the aesthetics of MP10, I really don't like MP01 at all to be honest. MP10 is the ultimate Optimus Prime to me, thus I now own both the Hasbro and Takara versions (which my better half thinks is crazy!).

[Magnus]

Although I was initially reluctant to get MP10 since I already have MP1, I caved. I bought the Hasbro version because I liked the lighter eyes and the fact that the running lights are painted.

Personally, I think MP1 is the better robot, but MP10 is the better Transformer. In my opinion, MP1 is better proportioned, and of course has the gimmicks; but MP10 does a far better job of hiding robot parts in vehicle mode, and the cab of the truck is a lot smoother. I don't really get the impression MP10 'suffers' in robot mode next to MP1, save for size (the smaller size means fewer gimmicks, but I don't mind that).

The one aspect of MP10 I don't like is the rifle - I feel it was compromised in both looks and (more importantly) size for the sake of the stowage gimmick. MP1's rifle looked better and was a good size compared to the robot.

[UltimateGalvatron]

I have to say I most definitely prefer the aesthetics of MP10, I really don't like MP01 at all to be honest. MP10 is the ultimate Optimus Prime to me.

This, although I own neither :o

[willocrew]

Yeah I agree with what u guys said about mp1 as a better toy. I've got both MP1 and MP10.

I bought MP1 two to three years before MP10 came out. It was my first ever masterpiece and it was what got me hooked. But to be honest, when I first opened the box up, I was a little disappointed with the aesthetics because I thought it looked better in photos. But after playing around with it, I began to like it more.

MP10 is different. I wasn't 100% sold on the aesthetics based on the online pictures, but opening up the box, I blew me away completely.

I've since contemplated selling MP1 a number of times, but I've decided to keep it simply because I was thinking of doing a Optimus prime collection. Need to hunt down a THS and a G1 and a few others.

[drifand]

Mp-10 feels like "this is Optimus prime"
MP-1 feels like "I am the only Optiums Prime"

I have Mp-1. Mp-4 Mp-10 Hasbro and Mp-10 Takara.

I am disappointed that Takara has not pulled their socks up to do a version 2 repaint. The eyes of mp-10 Takara should have matched what is on MP-1, This one thing alone would have made me like the Takara version.

I don't know why Roller is silver, thats is a bad mistake.

Forced to buy this sucker because of the autobot cars. Mp-10 is a action figure to me and in truck mode it looks awkward at the leg area.

The riffle feels too small and I think they done a stupid thing of folding the gun while it can be kept in the trailer.

Poor hands, have to upgrade to KFC ones to make it look more like a masterpiece.

MP-10 scores a 7/10 for me.

The price differences is astronomical, While a YOTH Optimus went as low as $115 from Myers, The reissue Hasbro was at $210 on averaged same with Takara.

I left TT MP-10 in MISB while I played with the Hasbro as it felt better looking imo over TT version.

It shits me to say that they put more effort painting Eva MP-10 over the original prime.

I voted YES only because if you are collecting mp line this piece will match up with mp cars. I know of people who refuse to buy a mp-10 and will not budge.

Will I welcome a version3? Hell yes.

Looking at Goki's pics the Hasbro version feel's like he came alive. Thats just me, I just feel the TT version looked a bit way too dull compared to what they done on MP-1

[GoktimusPrime]

Comparison pics between Hasbro & Takara versions here (http://otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=493986#post493986). :)


I don't know why Roller is silver, thats is a bad mistake.
Yes. How dare TakaraTOMY give Roller show-accurate colours (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-toy-discussion/27451304d1404730584-masterpiece-appreciation-thread-transformers-cartoon-roller-google-search.png) that was based on an actual 1984 variant (http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/varroller.jpg) of Roller! Let's shake our fists at them in anger!


The riffle feels too small and I think they done a stupid thing of folding the gun while it can be kept in the trailer.
Shake harder, son! (http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/d/dc/OpTransformsSu.jpg)

[drifand]

Comparison pics between Hasbro & Takara versions here (http://otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=493986#post493986). :)


Yes. How dare TakaraTOMY give Roller show-accurate colours (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-toy-discussion/27451304d1404730584-masterpiece-appreciation-thread-transformers-cartoon-roller-google-search.png) that was based on an actual 1984 variant (http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/varroller.jpg) of Roller! Let's shake our fists at them in anger!


Shake harder, son! (http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/d/dc/OpTransformsSu.jpg)


Don't look silver mate. For the record TT version was g1 toy accurate hence this would be incorrect. Not to mention eyes would be yellow if they want to go that path. If we going to say roller is silver than I would argue Magnus gun should be silver as well.

I still don't like the riffle and I did shook it off!
If it doesn't look right is not. The proportion is off for me, I see more times in the cartoon that it isn't a small gun or foldable weapon. < the weapon is not a major deal for me but I expected the fingers to be all articulated.

The eyes are what set me back, as they should have done mp1 style

[UltimateGalvatron]

Yes. How dare TakaraTOMY give Roller show-accurate colours (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-toy-discussion/27451304d1404730584-masterpiece-appreciation-thread-transformers-cartoon-roller-google-search.png) that was based on an actual 1984 variant (http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/varroller.jpg) of Roller! Let's shake our fists at them in anger!


Shake harder, son! (http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/d/dc/OpTransformsSu.jpg)
Lol!

[Magnus]

This is from an interview with Shogo Hasui. Source: http://news.tfw2005.com/2012/03/26/takaratomy-staff-interview-masterpiece-174660#more-174660


– How were the accessories selected?
Hasui: The gimmicks and accessories that were present with MP-1 were omitted as far as possible because I felt doing the same was not interesting. I tried to include as many new gimmicks as the cost allowed. The Spike figure, the gun storage and Roller were the result of this.


– Was the gun storage in his back inspired by the American comics?
Hasui: There was certainly an influence from the American comics, but basically that is taken from the cartoon, too. In many scenes, Convoy transforms with his gun. I wanted to make the most of that image. I assumed Convoy had a system to transform with his gun and incorporated (the gimmick).

[GoktimusPrime]

MP10's instruction booklet explicitly states that the gun folding gimmick came from the "recent overseas comics where the gun folds and stores in his back." This is clearly seen in the IDW comics where the rifle folds in the exact same way as MP10's rifle, hence in my translation for Hasbro, I've made a more direct/explicit reference to it.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/masterpiece%20optimus%20prime/mp10_laserrifle_zpsjgntna6i.jpg


Don't look silver mate. For the record TT version was g1 toy accurate hence this would be incorrect. Not to mention eyes would be yellow if they want to go that path. If we going to say roller is silver than I would argue Magnus gun should be silver as well.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/th_notsureif_zpsz94hxmet.jpg (http://botchthecrab.com/gallery/catalog_1985_large_a.jpg)


I still don't like the riffle and I did shook it off!
If it doesn't look right is not. The proportion is off for me,
#occupytakaratomy

< the weapon is not a major deal for me but I expected the fingers to be all articulated.
Which is what MP1 has. Which is also why he can't hold his rifle very well (it's easily prone to falling out of his hands). MP1 already has a solid non-folding rifle and articulated fingers. I think that they wanted to do something different for MP10 by giving him the folding rifle and more solid hands that can hold the rifle a lot better than MP1. I personally appreciate this, as it helps to make my MP10 more distinctive from MP1. I would have a lot less interest in this toy if it were just a scaled down copy of MP1. :rolleyes:

The eyes are what set me back, as they should have done mp1 style
MP10's eyes can actually look more vibrant under the right lighting conditions, but I agree that under most typical/normal lighting, they can look somewhat dull. I agree that MP1's and even Hasbro's MP10's eyes are better looking, but I don't dislike the eyes on TakaraTOMY's MP10 either. :o

[Trent]

He did the gun storing in back thing in the Deamwave comics too didn't he? I couldn't be bothered to go check but that's where he pulled his gun from when he took Devastator down.

Sounds like Hasui was a little too proud to admit that Pat Lee had an influence on MP-10.

I wouldn't want to say that either :p

[GoktimusPrime]

I don't recall the rifle folding up in the DW comics. But the way that MP10's rifle folds up is directly taken from IDW's Transformers Escalation (http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/d/dc/OpTransformsSu.jpg), as illustrated by E. J. Su (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/E._J._Su). Also, the original Japanese text is quite vague and just says, "Recent overseas comic." It doesn't specify publisher or artist. :o

[drifand]

Which is why I altered mine to have KFC Optimus hands and riffle which looks more how you put it "my gun is definitely deadlier".

Each to their own here, I have left the fiddle gun in his back compartment .

I believe his riffle was actually placed on roller

But anyway, this mp is a bit over priced and it lacked paint apps in many areas.

I am not slamming it as a boring figure but it doesn't wow me enough.

I certainly enjoyed ultra Magnus more than mp-10