Should the G1 Marvel sequel: #81 onwards, make inroads towards Beast Wars?

[Hursticon]

Simon Furman has stated that with regards to the upcoming continuation of the US Marvel G1 continuity issue #81, whilst he wont be continuing on from G2 he won't be completely disregarding it either and as such, as he is on record as having said that he really wanted to do more with Beast Wars; what if he were to work towards building the narrative (hence cannon) around the Pax Cybertronia and the introduction of the Predacon and Maximal factions proper?

What are everyone's thoughts on this progressive step?
Would members be against such a story destination?

[UltraMarginal]

I'm not sure about continuing the line at all since it's beenout of print for so long, but it will help sell their new classics re-prints a dn give us somewhere to go when we get to the end of the re-prints.

as for it's direction, I would hope that they followed the plan that they had when they were originally writing it. with adjustments for modern understandings and sentiments of course.

[1orion2many]

I'm all for predacon and Maximal factions coming into play:D

[GoktimusPrime]

I think it's a great idea. And G2 can't be ignored because it also ties in with Beast Wars - in particular the Swarm. :)

[kup]

It would be an awesome thing if it does stablish 'seeds' that imply a continuation into Beast Wars but I would prefer if it sticks to being a good story first.

[Paulbot]

I think a book selling itself as being as Marvel G1 comic continuation really shouldn't touch Beast Wars. Maybe a few hints in that direction but they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by not focusing on telling a purely G1 story, just hopefully it's not a AHM-style "only 1984-86 characters count" type of G1 story. (And by the generally varied cast in Furman's IDW books I hope it wont be).

[kup]

I think a book selling itself as being as Marvel G1 comic continuation really shouldn't touch Beast Wars. Maybe a few hints in that direction but they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by not focusing on telling a purely G1 story, just hopefully it's not a AHM-style "only 1984-86 characters count" type of G1 story. (And by the generally varied cast in Furman's IDW books I hope it wont be).

It would be cool if there were minor 'easter egg' type stuff in the scenery or even a line or two hinting something BW but yeah, it would not be very good if it takes over the 'G1 Marvel' feel of the comic.

[Hursticon]

It would be cool if there were minor 'easter egg' type stuff in the scenery or even a line or two hinting something BW but yeah, it would not be very good if it takes over the 'G1 Marvel' feel of the comic.

Oh no, no I agree :); what I meant was things like protoform technology's development, the seemingly combined technologies of the Pretenders and Micromasters as natural Cybertronian evolution/development, the explanation as to how the two new factions come about...

I too believe that the continuation should deal with G1 issues and be a G1 comic not a Beast Wars Comic ;), I'd just like to see some of these ideas explored and fleshed out some more so that we have some answers but if they were to even be mentioned, I wouldn't expect them to be seen/heard until towards the end of it's run seeing as though it's supposed to end with #100 isn't it?

[Cat]

I hope not.

I'd like to see it do more with the cast available. There's so much there to go on, I'd rather not see them move towards BW. I think some things are best left unknown.

I also think you'd have to leave G2 out of the equation. It worked as a book-end for it all, if you can get past the 90's EXTREMEness of it all.

[Hursticon]

I hope not.

I'd like to see it do more with the cast available. There's so much there to go on, I'd rather not see them move towards BW. I think some things are best left unknown.

I also think you'd have to leave G2 out of the equation. It worked as a book-end for it all, if you can get past the 90's EXTREMEness of it all.

I certainly wouldn't want the comic to solely focus on Beast Wars or even focus on it, more-so; pepper seeds, mentions and certain key events that happen in the distant past of the Beast War's cast perspective to establish further narrative ties but also to possibly explain certain things. :)

As stated by Simon Furman, the G2 comics will essentially become a splinter continuity as he won't be continuing on from them but he wont be ignoring certain aspects either, his is supposedly going to be: "What if I didn't have to can it and/or follow Hasbro's Toy Release Schedule?". :cool:

This is what I find to be rather exciting as it has quite a few possibilities and since the original G1 Marvel run, he's worked on a number of things but Beast Wars he has stated he wished he could've done more with, this is why I'd like to see some nods in that direction. :D

After having recently finished reading the entire 80 Issue Marvel US run, I too am very much looking forward to seeing where Furman takes us; regardless as to any inclusion of Beast Wars elements or not. ;):)

[liegeprime]

I for one want the comics to continue, but I believe it shouldn't be forced immediately towards Beast wars. More of flesh out more stories, coz lets face it it's thousands more of years before BW happened from G1 ( as shown by records being lost, etc. etc) so if you think about it, there's thousands more of years worth of stories before leading to BW. As such, more characters can be introduced, fleshed out, developed, killed off. it doesnt even have to lead to BW as it's a G1 comics, just as everyone has said, just hints and easter eggs that the tech to go to BW- shrinking size, diff. altmode ( no small driver allowances) less energon need, all that angolmois stuff and other alternate sources of energy. Maybe even, Nucleon can be refined so it doesn't affect the transformation - it could start with this thereby giving the AM subline a bit of glory under the sun. Then they finally succeed and it's given a new name then all those afflicted can be "cured" of not being able to transform. - this story plot alone could take, what, several issues while other issues foment within the pages. The possibilities are abundant all not leading to BW just yet. Coz, if the story is written as such that it is heading quick in that direction - it would IMOP appear rushed as such. my 2¢:D

[Hursticon]

My thoughts exactly Liege, I certainly don't want the story to go barrelling towards Beast Wars either; simply hints and easter eggs as you say that 'nod' to Beast Wars. :cool:
I'd very much like to see some Technology Development like you've suggested, such as:

Protoform Technology
Energy Refinement (Energon & Organic Matter Digestion Adaptation)
Transwarp Technology
Size Scaling
AM/Pretender Technology (Further-ment, Refinement and Combination)
Incorporation of Firearms with the Bot/Alt mode proper.


These mentions don't have to be whole stories or even pages; a frame, speech bubble or background scene would make me extremely happy. :D

[kup]

My thoughts exactly Liege, I certainly don't want the story to go barrelling towards Beast Wars either; simply hints and easter eggs as you say that 'nod' to Beast Wars. :cool:
I'd very much like to see some Technology Development like you've suggested, such as:

Protoform Technology
Energy Refinement (Energon & Organic Matter Digestion Adaptation)
Transwarp Technology
Size Scaling
AM/Pretender Technology (Further-ment, Refinement and Combination)
Incorporation of Firearms with the Bot/Alt mode proper.


These mentions don't have to be whole stories or even pages; a frame, speech bubble or background scene would make me extremely happy. :D

Size scaling (Micromasters), Pretender like technology and firearms integration are already part of Marvel G1. Beast Pretenders for example look to be direct precursors to BW beast mode technology. Also Fangry wasn't a pretender but his alt mode had organic looking parts similar to TM2 technology.

Micromasters were made to be more energy efficient forms of Cybertronians and could also be seen as precursors to Beast Wars.

I have always said this and stand by it - There is very little in Beast Wars from a concept perspective that originated in that era. Most of the stuff you see in the cartoon down to the beast modes (which were integral in the show) were not new but more refined versions of what was already introduced in G1. Almost everything in BW has something in G1 that appears to be a conceptual precursor to it.

[Hursticon]

Size scaling (Micromasters), Pretender like technology and firearms integration are already part of Marvel G1. Beast Pretenders for example look to be direct precursors to BW beast mode technology. Also Fangry wasn't a pretender but his alt mode had organic looking parts similar to TM2 technology.

Perhaps, but there hasn't been any Official media/word to support this commonly accepted fanon. ;)


Micromasters were made to be more energy efficient forms of Cybertronians and could also be seen as precursors to Beast Wars.

I agree, but again this is just fanon and I reckon it'd be pretty cool to see this explored/mentioned to support this. ;)


I have always said this and stand by it - There is very little in Beast Wars from a concept perspective that originated in that era. Most of the stuff you see in the cartoon down to the beast modes (which were integral in the show) were not new but more refined versions of what was already introduced in G1. Almost everything in BW has something in G1 that appears to be a conceptual precursor to it.

Well of course, Beast Wars is part of the Transformers franchise so it only stands to reason that it'd be the product of refined ideas from what has come before; but it is the combination of notions chosen that distinguishes Beast Wars/Machines (And to a lesser degree RiD & Animated) from the rest of the franchise; but from that point on it's been nothing but planes, trains, auto-mobiles and cyber-animals that have arguably done nothing narratively or aesthetically that G1 hadn't already. :cool:

Really, there hasn't been a series since Beast Wars that has really contributed anything to the overall mythos that isn't rehashed material, given; a lot of Beast Wars is too but it at least contributed a series of ideas to the G1 mythos that each subsequent series has leached off of, wouldn't it be nice to see some of these contributions cemented Officially rather than fanon all the time?

I'm simply asking if others would like to see some of the speculative grafts between G1 and Beast Wars explored beyond fan based theory, however great or small, in any way shape or fashion as it would seem to me like a perfect opportunity to (Short of doing a 'War Within' with Beast Wars). :)



P.S. I am aware as to how speculative this thread is itself mind you. :p:D

[liegeprime]

I also would like to see more Mosaic type side stories if ever a comic continuation does go green lighted. A lot of the Mosaic have good simple stories in themselves which if a good fresh ideas was to be seen in it could be explored and incorporated as canon in the Tf mythos officially rather than as Hursty termed... fanon.

[kup]

Perhaps, but there hasn't been any Official media/word to support this commonly accepted fanon. ;)



I agree, but again this is just fanon and I reckon it'd be pretty cool to see this explored/mentioned to support this. ;)



Well of course, Beast Wars is part of the Transformers franchise so it only stands to reason that it'd be the product of refined ideas from what has come before; but it is the combination of notions chosen that distinguishes Beast Wars/Machines (And to a lesser degree RiD & Animated) from the rest of the franchise; but from that point on it's been nothing but planes, trains, auto-mobiles and cyber-animals that have arguably done nothing narratively or aesthetically that G1 hadn't already. :cool:

Really, there hasn't been a series since Beast Wars that has really contributed anything to the overall mythos that isn't rehashed material, given; a lot of Beast Wars is too but it at least contributed a series of ideas to the G1 mythos that each subsequent series has leached off of, wouldn't it be nice to see some of these contributions cemented Officially rather than fanon all the time?

I'm simply asking if others would like to see some of the speculative grafts between G1 and Beast Wars explored beyond fan based theory, however great or small, in any way shape or fashion as it would seem to me like a perfect opportunity to (Short of doing a 'War Within' with Beast Wars). :)



P.S. I am aware as to how speculative this thread is itself mind you. :p:D

I don't believe this is just 'Fanon' - You can read about much of it in the last MTMTE Dreamwave issue and that was an official publication.

[Hursticon]

I don't believe this is just 'Fanon' - You can read about much of it in the last MTMTE Dreamwave issue and that was an official publication.

Last issue of the Dreamwave continuity?, geeze, you don't want to make it easy for me do you? :p - I'll have to see if someone might be willing to bring a copy to the Parra Fair so we can peruse it. :cool:

[Quickstrike]

IDW reprinted the More Than Meets the Eye books so they shouldn't be hard to find. I think I saw them on the weekend actually.