Fall of Cybertron figures! (images added - post 21)

[kup]

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/kapow-toys-news-preorders-listed-for-fall-of-cybertron-deluxe-shockwave-jazz-and-optimus-prime/23878/

EDIT: Links have been pulled - Now you know it's real! :)


We just got word from site sponsor Kapow Toys that pre-orders have been listed for Fall of Cybertron Deluxe Optimus Prime, Jazz, and the one we've all been waiting for Shockwave! Unfortunately no images have been reveal, but great news none the less! Pre-order links below:

Deluxe Shockwave: http://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/product_info ... ts_id=5222

Deluxe Jazz: http://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/product_info ... ts_id=5220

Deluxe Optimus Prime: http://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/product_info ... ts_id=5221

This could easily also double as a Classics Shockwave! Awesome!

[1AZRAEL1]

Oh hell yea. Finally a Shockwave. Just hope he will look as good as he does in the game. I may have to buy 2 of him :p

[kaiden]

finally! this has been asked for since War For Cybertron. Now if only they could do all the other awesome characters.

[swoop]

Shockwave and jazz being released is awesome news. I expected prime to be done again I hope that it's a new mold and not just a rerelease of The wfc mold.

I've got my fingers crossed for dinobot and seeker molds next

[jazzcomp]

link for jazz doesn't show. shockwave looks good

[kup]

link for jazz doesn't show. shockwave looks good

Links have been pulled.

There were no pictures of the toys. What you saw were just renders from the War for Cybertron game that were never intended to be made into toys.

I suspect that the actual toys will be similar in look but with several modifications in order to make them physically able to transform.

[5FDP]

While I expected that we would be seeing some FOC toys coming out this year that does not diminish my excitement upon hearing that it's confirmed. Fingers crossed for a FOC Shockwave :cool:

It seems as though crossing your fingers DOES work :D

*Fingers crossed for a new car*

[gdmetro]

Awesome- hopefully the classics shocks we've been waiting for! If the other figures are decent will be my first foray into wfcverse... If the jazz looks half as good as the game images I will have a problem with where to fit on with my collection.

But good news overall!

[Zippo]

Awesome, awesome news
Need pictures like yesterday!

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Only deluxe size though? Hopefully they are saving the Voyager for a certain Dinobt commander!!!

[kaiden]

Only deluxe size though? Hopefully they are saving the Voyager for a certain Dinobt commander!!!

doubt it. the 'wfc' and now 'foc' toys are in the 'generations' line - which is deluxe only. apparently hasbro doesn't think a game can generate enough sales like the movies and the tv shows do.

[kup]

Only deluxe size though? Hopefully they are saving the Voyager for a certain Dinobt commander!!!

I wouldn't get my hopes up. I have already resigned myself to thinking that all Classics and FOC figures will be deluxe only. Nowadays they don't seem to like anything larger unless it's movie.



doubt it. the 'wfc' and now 'foc' toys are in the 'generations' line - which is deluxe only. apparently hasbro doesn't think a game can generate enough sales like the movies and the tv shows do.

You beat me to it!

Hasbro made it's money on the movie line but it seems that the retail stores who bought their stock from Hasbro didn't....

[Hursticon]

Sweet! :D

Excellent news to hear that 3 out of the initial 8 FOC figures have been revealed; now we just need to redirect 5FDP's efforts from his new car to 5 Voyager class Dinosaurs... :p
I know the Gens line is Deluxe only and that's what we'll likely get, I just hope that the Deluxes we get are Generations scale and not DOTM/TF:P Mainline scale. :o

[Doubledealer]

Could someone please do me a kindness and remind me what exactly WFC Shockwave turns into? :p

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

doubt it. the 'wfc' and now 'foc' toys are in the 'generations' line - which is deluxe only. apparently hasbro doesn't think a game can generate enough sales like the movies and the tv shows do.


I wouldn't get my hopes up. I have already resigned myself to thinking that all Classics and FOC figures will be deluxe only. Nowadays they don't seem to like anything larger unless it's movie.




You beat me to it!

Hasbro made it's money on the movie line but it seems that the retail stores who bought their stock from Hasbro didn't....
I know, I know, but a guy can dream can't he?:D

Could someone please do me a kindness and remind me what exactly WFC Shockwave turns into? :p

A space jet with a large triangular shaped missile launcher on the front.

[SharkyMcShark]

I'd seriously laugh if 4 of the remaining 5 were Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker and Sunstorm

[Doubledealer]

A space jet with a large triangular shaped missile launcher on the front.

Cheers Tets, spawned from the same protoform as Megs by the sound of it.


I'd seriously laugh if 4 of the remaining 5 were Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker and Sunstorm

You're assuming Hasbro has a sense of humour. :p I demand a Breakdown!

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Cheers Tets, spawned from the same protoform as Megs by the sound of it.
[\QUOTE]
Not Quite, but close ish.
http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/f/f7/Wfc-shockwave-0.jpg



[QUOTE]I'd seriously laugh if 4 of the remaining 5 were Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker and Sunstorm
Shhh, I bet they haven't decided the other 4 yet, but Aaron Archer just saw you comment and thought "That's a really good idea!!"
:D

[Doubledealer]

Not Quite, but close ish.
http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/f/f7/Wfc-shockwave-0.jpg

Ahh okay, looks straight out of Wipeout 2097. Very nice!

[Lord_Zed]

As much as I want Shockwave, I'm not getting my hopes up till I see a toy.

Got no issue with him being Deluxe, s long as He's not a short Deluxe like Thunderwing.

[Sky Shadow]

So far, the Fall Of Cybertron Combaticons and Bruticus look a thousand times better than the Energon/Classics version and fan kit:
(images from gameinformer magazine - posted on allspark.com (http://www.gameinformer.com/))

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1182/swindle11328298335.jpghttp://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3613/swindle21328298335.jpghttp://img210.imageshack.us/img210/306/brawl1328298335.jpghttp://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7316/brawl21328298335.jpghttp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3128/bruticus11328298335.jpg

[lcz128]

Yeah just saw that. Like: damn!!! :o

[5FDP]

Woke up to this news (I must have sensed the disturbance in my sleep)... DAMNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

JUST WHEN I THINK I AM OUT HASBRO DRAG ME BACK IN :mad: :D :D

I WANT MY FOC'ing BRUTICUS!!

(I can finally update my sig with something to scout for).

[orionpax1]

Awesome news, finally combiners are getting some decent love again and deluxe size too, wil l definately be getting these and the rest of the FOC range.

[theheretic]

Awwww YEAH! I'll be doubling up on the combaticons so I can display them and Bruticus! I wonder if onslaught will be voyager sized though. WFC and FOC FTW! Now then need to hurry up and get these figures to me! It's definitely time they shut up and take my money

[gdmetro]

Wow... unexpected but nice. Will definitely pick up. I still think the Existing energon + upgrade kit fills a different role but this is still awesome! Bring on the DINOBOTS!!!! :D

[swoop]

Epic, that's all that needs to be said about the bruticus toy. If only 8 toys are being made from foc then are we missing out on the dinobots? I thought I read somewhere that we are getting grimlock. Hopefully more than just the 8 are being made.

@ sky shadow. Do you know what magazine that scan is from?

[kup]

So far, the Fall Of Cybertron Combaticons and Bruticus look a thousand times better than the Energon/Classics version and fan kit:


Wow! That is great! I really hope it is a proper combiner given the previous 'can't be done because it's too hard' statement from Hasbro. When I first saw it I thought that perhaps Bruticus was a stand alone toy.

I won't say if it's better or not than the FP set until I see a full picture of Bruticus as we have only barely been shown the head and upper torso but the individual bots certainly look fantastic for WFC/FOC style toys.

I really hope that this is a sign that Hasbro has gotten their act together and are back to making toys that people actually want.

[kaiden]

brawl i like a lot. swindle looks a bit weird in the proportions specifically his whole upper body...

i like the bruticus head sculpt but the picture gives his chest and shoulders a weird disjointed look.

but damn that brawl is foc'ing amazing looking.

[AJ_Prime]

VERY excited about these!

[1AZRAEL1]

Wow. I was not expecting that. Maybe they are going to do a whole line of FOC figures this time? Would be awesome, and I would buy the lot of them.

[Golden Phoenix]

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/jimmey-11/other/1726009-shut_up_and_take_my_money_super.jpg

[1AZRAEL1]

Hahaha GP has it right.

[Tallestblue]

Did anyone honestly see this coming!? And goddammit we better get Generations toys here this year.

[swoop]

I'll be ordering all of these online that way I don't miss out if they're not released here

[kup]

Did anyone honestly see this coming!? And goddammit we better get Generations toys here this year.

You need to go and burn all the over flowing DOTM toys at local retailers to force them to stock new TF figures. It's not as if anyone would buy them ;)

[griffin]

@ sky shadow. Do you know what magazine that scan is from?

Images are from the next gameinformer magazine - posted on allspark.com (http://www.gameinformer.com/)

[Sutton]

Both Swindle and Brawl look a little off (the arms in particular on both are weird), but that's a good thing if it means they've made sacrifices for the sake of the combined mode. Added to that is the fact that these are fantasy vehicles rather than real-world vehicles, and it becomes much more reasonable that Hasbro may knock this one out of the park.

I don't see how a FOC Bruticus makes the FP Bruticus redundant in any way, no more than FOC Jazz would replace Classics Jazz. I honestly did not see this coming however, I didn't expect any more proper combiners from them in a long while, certainly not one associated with a game rather than a show. Having said that, Bruticus is an important character in the game, and apparently you do get to control him at one point, so that might help make sales with the kiddies.

What I'm really interested to learn is whether this is sold individually or as a set. Certainly if it's sold individually online ordering will be the safest bet.

[loophole]

Hell Yeah!!
Wouldn't they be deluxe class as well being under the "Generations" banner, I hope they are!!

[Doubledealer]

I honestly did not see this coming however, I didn't expect any more proper combiners from them in a long while

Tell me about it, we've gone from that PCC garbage to this in the space of what, a year?

[maxirod]

Gonna be a sweet year

[Deonasis]

Holy hot butter! :cool:

And for those that are going I think this will be a great year to see new stuff at Botcon. With an earlier convention (less time for leaks) and possible news about a new Masterpiece figure, this^^^ sort of Fall of Cybertron info, TF:Prime info and a baseformer! WOW!

[kup]

Tell me about it, we've gone from that PCC garbage to this in the space of what, a year?

This is what makes me nervous and why I am reluctant to jump in the 'Better than FP' bandwagon. I will wait for detailed pictures before I make up my mind on which is better but I think it is safe to say that it will be better than PCC since at least the individual components can transform.

What worries me is Hasbro has an atrocious history with combiners since the Armada era. Their latest 'proper' combiners were the Energon ones and those sucked horribly. It is a wonder and a show of inventiveness that FP managed to make such an awesome toy out of that garbage with the upgrades.

Anyways, as it has been said, these are the 'Cybertronian' version of Bruticus which is still very different to that of FP's. One really doesn't supplant the other in the least, they actually complement one another...assuming Hasbro's ends up good.

It is good to see that we have something from Hasbro to get excited about and wait in anticipation for, I had totally given up on them. I hope to see more as it would finally show that Hasbro 'gets it'.

[gdmetro]

I don't see how a FOC Bruticus makes the FP Bruticus redundant in any way, no more than FOC Jazz would replace Classics Jazz. I honestly did not see this coming however, I didn't expect any more proper combiners from them in a long while, certainly not one associated with a game rather than a show. Having said that, Bruticus is an important character in the game, and apparently you do get to control him at one point, so that might help make sales with the kiddies.

What I'm really interested to learn is whether this is sold individually or as a set. Certainly if it's sold individually online ordering will be the safest bet.

I think for some that couldn't afford/purchase or didn't want to buy the FP set for various reasons, these figs while off in terms of aesthetic, could be shoehorned in as a classics replacement which is all good. Ill be getting it since it is just awesome, regardless of the fact that I own the upgrade set.

One of the initial interviews that I read/watched on FOC stated that they chose Bruticus because out of all the gestalts, it was the best to suit Hasbro's policies of no similar vehicles in case assortments- i.e. being a tank, jeep, helicopter, etc they are different enough then a bunch of construction vehicles on the pegs.

Id say that these may be individual releases but there maybe special packs to accommodate- I wonder if onslaught is of a larger scale voyager perhaps? Or perhaps they have a new strategy- will definitely be interesting to see.

and also what combiner port tech they will be using....:D

It is a possibility that Hasbro may be using this to test out for potential future combiners if ever there was a suitable push for them. Maybe PCC did do well enough for Hasbro to head in this direction?

Another thing that people have stated is that this is a response by Hasbro in seeing what the 3rd parties have done... it could be, but could also be just coincidence. However if this is true, then 3rd party has done its job in pushing Hasbro towards recognizing and catering more to collectors where their previous policies prevented this.

[kup]

Another thing that people have stated is that this is a response by Hasbro in seeing what the 3rd parties have done... it could be, but could also be just coincidence. However if this is true, then 3rd party has done its job in pushing Hasbro towards recognizing and catering more to collectors where their previous policies prevented this.

Well given Hasbro's previous stance on combiners and how popular the 3rd party ones have been, it is certainly possible. Perhaps the 3rd parties did give Hasbro that much needed 'kick in the butt' to snap them back in gear.

If this is the case then I am very proud to have been a 3rd party supporter :D

More official stuff like this please!

[Doubledealer]

and also what combiner port tech they will be using....:D

This pic just in...

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu332/Doubledealer_83/swindle.jpg

[kup]

This pic just in...

Very funny :eek:

But it does illustrate how there has been a total re-thinking on how they have been designing things.

Brawl's picture has what looks to be an Energon port on his butt. The Energon method of combination wasn't bad so I am glad they are using it instead of PCC.

[King Atlas]

Yeah, I don't think this makes FP Colossus redundant, as Sutton stated.
This is a cybertronian-mode take on the character(s) anyway, and we've only seen teaser shots.

Not that I don't wish for it, but I doubt that FOC Bruticus will have ankle tilt or articulated fingers. 50/50 on Onslaught's cannons having some kind of mobility. Plus Colossus has the two shotguns, giant knife and the anti-tank sniper rifle going for him. That's tough to best, if you want to make comparisons that is.....:cool:

I'm still getting this because Bruticus is my favorite combiner, but yeah, it won't be a replacement.

[SharkyMcShark]

Swindle looks great.

Brawl looks meh - the non rotating turret kills it for me.

If the unrevealed 5 are the combaticons and they form into Bruticus I am ALL over this.

EDIT: Just read that this is touted as 5 deluxe molds being "One of the biggest combiners Hasbro has ever produced"

WOW. Take my money Hasbro, take it all.

[SharkyMcShark]

What worries me is Hasbro has an atrocious history with combiners since the Armada era. Their latest 'proper' combiners were the Energon ones and those sucked horribly..


RotF Legends Devastator was quite good too, if on a much smaller scale.

[kup]

RotF Legends Devastator was quite good too, if on a much smaller scale.

Yeah but he is static in combined form. Very good for Legends and certainly better value than the horrid big one but people would expect more of a combiner composed of deluxe figures.

[Quickstrike]

I figured we'd get one of the Combaticons in this line but all of them? and they combine?! Plus we're getting Shockwave?! Holy god damn mother of etc.

[Sutton]

The other interesting factor here is that it's a lot of bad guys to have in a product run. 6 Cons vs 2 Bots for FOC? That's also against Hasbro's usual way of doing things. And not even a repaint/remold of WFC Bumblebee in sight!

Did they get a new CEO and didn't tell anyone?

[kup]

Did they get a new CEO and didn't tell anyone?

Remember how there was an announcement of a new CEO (or someone high up the chain) taking charge? Since they say that there is a 2 year cycle for the development of new products before release, perhaps we are only beginning to see his 'contribution' now.

However I advise caution, we don't want to get our hopes up and then Hasbro announces something ridiculous like what happened with the TF Prime figures.

[Golden Phoenix]

The other interesting factor here is that it's a lot of bad guys to have in a product run. 6 Cons vs 2 Bots for FOC? That's also against Hasbro's usual way of doing things. And not even a repaint/remold of WFC Bumblebee in sight!

Did they get a new CEO and didn't tell anyone?

Also interesting is that from the looks of things the other 3 Combaticons would have to be new moulds.
If they were going to do what they did in Energon and have only 3 moulds per combiner then the normal thing for them to do would be to have Brawl and Swindle sharing a mould, but they have separate mould. Logically the other 2 limb Combaticons would be different too.

[Sutton]

Yep, the First Edition mess with the Prime toys is a big black mark against them for this year. I don't understand the logic in designing and molding the same characters slightly differently in such a short space of time? Really annoyed with myself for not picking up some of the FE figures now that we've seen how bad the mainline releases are. Can't believe they made Bumblebee worse.

[Sutton]

Swindle looks fairly mistransformed in those pics too. So it's a safe bet that the Bruticus' torso isn't quite right either. Hasbro has a long proud history of using mistransformed figures for it's promotional pics :D

[Doubledealer]

Can't believe they made Bumblebee worse.

Haha yeah, at least FE Bee looks awesome despite being a horrid toy to play with. I wouldn't be surprised if Revealer Bee were the much funner toy overall but aesthetically, it's just so wrong.:p Good for a laugh at least!

[griffin]

Was it 8 new toys or 8 new moulds?

We so far have 8 don't we - Optimus, Jazz, Shockwave (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/generationsfall-of-cybertron-wave-1-confirmed-174289/), Brawl, Swindle (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fall-of-cybertron-combaticons-and-bruticus-toys-revealed/23893/), and the expected Vortex, Onslaught and Blast Off.
If we are also supposed to have Grimlock, and hopefully other Dinobots, some of those would have to be redecos just to give us 8 new moulds.


And having Decepticons outnumbering Autobots would probably be a first, but will make up for the lack of Decepticons in RtS, and outnumbering in Generations so far.

[Golden Phoenix]

Was it 8 new toys or 8 new moulds?

Possibly both. The only figure who already has a toy from WFC is Optimus.
But Prime is different in the 2 games so he could very well be a new mould as well.

[griffin]

I edited my post above, as I had a quick look at what is so far known, speculated, and expected for the FOC toys.
I counted 9 so far... more if we get other Dinobots.

[griffin]

Apparently these will be coming out in August/September... with the game out in December.

[Doubledealer]

Why exactly did they change Prime's look? This thing (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Transformers-foc_optimus.jpg) is uuuuugly. :(

[Sutton]

Why exactly did they change Prime's look? This thing (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Transformers-foc_optimus.jpg) is uuuuugly. :(

I agree.

They're trying to visually tell a story with his changing aesthetic. But Hasbro seems hell bent on shoehorning the WFC/FOC into their Prime continuity (despite WFC's 5,492 nods and references to the G1 cartoon and comics) so why they'd head into boxier G1 territory is a mystery. Megatron's design has been revised also, but seems even more spiky and Bayified than before.


Honestly, I'd prefer if it didn't lead into either G1 or Prime, and instead led into it's own new version of a G1 continuity. If they did an eventual game that led to the Autobots and Cons awakening on earth, that'd be awesome. Even better if they used the existing Classics designs for characters where applicable - an easy win for Hasbro with toy tie-ins while giving a second chance to anyone who missed out on crucial Classics characters first time around. But that's just me wishing out loud.

[FFN]

I agree.

They're trying to visually tell a story with his changing aesthetic. But Hasbro seems hell bent on shoehorning the WFC/FOC into their Prime continuity (despite WFC's 5,492 nods and references to the G1 cartoon and comics) so why they'd head into boxier G1 territory is a mystery. Megatron's design has been revised also, but seems even more spiky and Bayified than before.

Honestly, I'd prefer if it didn't lead into either G1 or Prime, and instead led into it's own new version of a G1 continuity. If they did an eventual game that led to the Autobots and Cons awakening on earth, that'd be awesome. Even better if they used the existing Classics designs for characters where applicable - an easy win for Hasbro with toy tie-ins while giving a second chance to anyone who missed out on crucial Classics characters first time around. But that's just me wishing out loud. Off the top of my head, one of the earlier screen shots for Fall of Cybertron featured Cliffjumper, using Bumblebee's body, but Prime Cliffjumper's head, and the concept art for what is presumed to be the Nemesis in FOC looks exactly the same as the Prime Nemesis design.

Look at his head! LOOK AT HIS HEAD:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/7/3/8/6/3/Transformers-Fall-of-Cybertron---Cliffjumper-with-EMP-Shotgun_angle-2_1318472757.jpg

Meanwhile, the Prime tv show has taken some basic visual elements from the WFC video game to represent Cybertron and Primus (or as the game vaguely refers to him, as the "Core of Cybertron"), with the backstory based upon Hasbro's own story bible for the Aligned continuity (Dark Energon, corruption of the planet's core, the bestowing of the Matrix of Leadership onto Optimus).

It doesn't really matter what High Moon thinks or what G1 references they have inserted into WFC/FOC. They're marketing their game towards a gaming audience who vaguely know Transformers, and quite frankly, there's not that many G1 references in WFC anyway that can't simply be repurposed to be something that also happened in the Aligned continuity. No, I do not count lines cribbed from Transformers The Movie as continuity reference.

This is what the wiki refers to as a Continuity Family. You know how the G1 Marvel Comics, the G1 Cartoon and various other G1 continuities can in no way work together, yet are still considered to be G1? Same thing. Aligned (the Prime universe) is a Continuity Family, under which many different continuities, often with some commonality but otherwise might be difficult to reconcile with each other, can exist under one umbrella.

I don't know why people are so offended by the notion of WFC/FOC being part of Prime.

[Lord_Zed]

Mmm not bad, these look like pretty cool additions to the War For Cybertron style subline. And it seems like Hasbro may have attempted to make a new combiner too.

So yeah nice, but I'm not about to jump on this new era of Hasbro bandwagon thing, not at least until we see more. They pretty cool, but personally I'd still prefer to see new Generations moulds. The original War for Cybertron toys were nice but they weren't nearly as good as the G1 style Generations toys that accompanied them.

Still it looks like I will now be buying some Hasbro products this year other than GI Joe.


You need to go and burn all the over flowing DOTM toys at local retailers to force them to stock new TF figures. It's not as if anyone would buy them ;)

Don't forget to burn that shelf warmer Generations Warpath too, clearly no one likes him either.:p

[kup]

Off the top of my head, one of the earlier screen shots for Fall of Cybertron featured Cliffjumper, using Bumblebee's body, but Prime Cliffjumper's head, and the concept art for what is presumed to be the Nemesis in FOC looks exactly the same as the Prime Nemesis design.

Look at his head! LOOK AT HIS HEAD:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/7/3/8/6/3/Transformers-Fall-of-Cybertron---Cliffjumper-with-EMP-Shotgun_angle-2_1318472757.jpg

Meanwhile, the Prime tv show has taken some basic visual elements from the WFC video game to represent Cybertron and Primus (or as the game vaguely refers to him, as the "Core of Cybertron"), with the backstory based upon Hasbro's own story bible for the Aligned continuity (Dark Energon, corruption of the planet's core, the bestowing of the Matrix of Leadership onto Optimus).

It doesn't really matter what High Moon thinks or what G1 references they have inserted into WFC/FOC. They're marketing their game towards a gaming audience who vaguely know Transformers, and quite frankly, there's not that many G1 references in WFC anyway that can't simply be repurposed to be something that also happened in the Aligned continuity. No, I do not count lines cribbed from Transformers The Movie as continuity reference.

This is what the wiki refers to as a Continuity Family. You know how the G1 Marvel Comics, the G1 Cartoon and various other G1 continuities can in no way work together, yet are still considered to be G1? Same thing. Aligned (the Prime universe) is a Continuity Family, under which many different continuities, often with some commonality but otherwise might be difficult to reconcile with each other, can exist under one umbrella.

I don't know why people are so offended by the notion of WFC/FOC being part of Prime.

I cannot agree that WFC fits in the 'Prime/aligned continuity' as Sunbow, Marvel, DW and IDW G1 fit in the 'G1 continuity'.

What the TFwiki has dubbed the 'G1 continuity family' encompasses different continuities but they are all undeniably using G1 characters.

Transformers Prime and the WFC continuity may be different continuities like in the G1 family but they are both considerably different to one another without the same similarities that the G1 continuities share, particularly when it comes to the characters. When you break it all down, WFC and Prime have as much in common as G1 and Armada - Yeah there are several similarities which could be used to shoe horn things together but that doesn't change that both franchises are drastically different and have been placed as such by your own 'continuity family' category system.

I am pretty sure that if Hasbro had not come forth with their 'WFC is TF Prime' policy, you would have placed WFC within the G1 continuity family as logically, it has more in common with G1 than any other franchise. Several of the other references that supposedly 'link them' such as Dark energon have been used drastically different for each and other similarities seem borrowed or incidental at best such as the similarities that G1, RID, Armada and even the Movie verse share.

Obviously Hasbro is still sticking to this 'WFC is Prime' policy and Cliffjumper has been changed aesthetically to match (this could have easily been done to sell the TF Prime toy too) but I am still yet to see something fundamental outside of the marketing dribble and the wiki's own doctrine that tells me that WFC is TF Prime.

I just hope things don't get spoiled as a result of this as I am not particularly fond of what TF Prime has done with their story (particularly Unicron) and I would hate to see that sort of thing sip into other franchises such as this one.

[Quickstrike]

You need to go and burn all the over flowing DOTM toys at local retailers to force them to stock new TF figures. It's not as if anyone would buy them ;)

What? All the Transformers sections I've seen at stores are basically empty and have been since Christmas. Retailers are WAITING for the new stuff to show up.

[kup]

What? All the Transformers sections I've seen at stores are basically empty and have been since Christmas. Retailers are WAITING for the new stuff to show up.

Maybe in Perth..consider your city fortunate.



Don't forget to burn that shelf warmer Generations Warpath too, clearly no one likes him either.:p

Yeah, I am not sure what happened there. It seems that when they stocked those figures fairly late, local demand completely went dry on them.

[Lord_Zed]

I'll never understand why Hasbro release one wave in massive quantities while restocking with subsequent waves with comparatively tiny quantities. I mean seriously who does these guys numbers? They do it all the time to, again and again.

That said I did notice Toys R Us Miranda actually had no Deluxe TF's at all, while Big W stocked only Prime and Bumblebee.

[Sky Shadow]

I don't see how a FOC Bruticus makes the FP Bruticus redundant in any way, no more than FOC Jazz would replace Classics Jazz.

The difference is that three of those are real Transformers and one is 40% not. Classics/Energon Bruticus Maximus is not a great toy. Hopefully this one will be.

[kup]

I'll never understand why Hasbro release one wave in massive quantities while restocking with subsequent waves with comparatively tiny quantities. I mean seriously who does these guys numbers? They do it all the time to, again and again.

That said I did notice Toys R Us Miranda actually had no Deluxe TF's at all, while Big W stocked only Prime and Bumblebee.

I think that is local Hasbro only. Overseas by the sound of it seem much more evenly done.

Glad to see that Miranda has begun to clear them, the stores around my area are still saturated but they have begun to amass them all into one corner to make room for other non TF lines.

[SharkyMcShark]

I'm with Quickstrike on the distribution - there's basically nothing on shelves here.

Maybe a few jetwing Primes hanging around for $150 in Targets and K Marts but that's it.

[Lord_Zed]

I think that is local Hasbro only. Overseas by the sound of it seem much more evenly done.

Glad to see that Miranda has begun to clear them, the stores around my area are still saturated but they have begun to amass them all into one corner to make room for other non TF lines.

And I'd still like to get a Deluxe movie Soundwave, but looks like buckley's chance of that locally.

But getting back to these toys, I'd still like to see more of this Bruiticus toy before I start handing out any congratulations to Hasbro. Head and Shoulders could mean anything. Mind you a proper Onslaught would be great, not a fan of any of his previous incarnations since the original.

[FFN]

I'll never understand why Hasbro release one wave in massive quantities while restocking with subsequent waves with comparatively tiny quantities. I mean seriously who does these guys numbers? They do it all the time to, again and again.. I believe that's retailers ordering stuff in through Hasbro AU, then sitting on a pile of unsold, overstocked wave 1/1.5/2 guys and not ordering again.

I believe Griffin mentioned once that Hasbro AU told him that Kmart AU ordered lots of Wave 1 yellow box TF2010, which is why they took a long time to get other waves in.

[theheretic]

What I'm hoping for it a nice Bruticus. Upgraded by FP to an AWESOME Bruticus

[swoop]

I'm hoping for an awesome bruticus that doesn't need the help of any 3rd party to make it better

[Doubledealer]

I'm so tired of all this 3rd party nonsense. Why can't these companies differentiate themselves like the Transformers & Gobots did back in the day? Make your own show and/or comic, create your own damn characters and stop stealing others intellectual property! /rant

[ike_ike]

their bot modes seem a bit iffy but swindle's weird body shape is in the concept art. not a fan of how scrawny their arms are but their vehicle modes are pretty swell.

[griffin]

I believe that's retailers ordering stuff in through Hasbro AU, then sitting on a pile of unsold, overstocked wave 1/1.5/2 guys and not ordering again.

I believe Griffin mentioned once that Hasbro AU told him that Kmart AU ordered lots of Wave 1 yellow box TF2010, which is why they took a long time to get other waves in.


Close. Every Toyfair (in around March), Hasbro (all toy companies really) pressure retailers to pre-order as much as they can convince them toy buy, and using the success of the second movie, Hasbro were able to fool the Retailers into thinking that the third movie toys would be even more successful. Retailers bought up big, and they got burnt.
Now the kids, fans and collectors suffer because retailers cancel any future stock orders they signed up to at Toyfair, and lose money on the brand by clearing stock out at a loss... making it less likely to order new stock of that brand when they finally do clear their shelves.

"fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me"

[kup]

I'm so tired of all this 3rd party nonsense. Why can't these companies differentiate themselves like the Transformers & Gobots did back in the day? Make your own show and/or comic, create your own damn characters and stop stealing others intellectual property! /rant

IMO 3rd parties exists because Hasbro has neglected a clearly profitable section of their market.

If Hasbro continue releasing stuff like this Bruticus, then there won't be a need for 3rd parties. It is really all up to Hasbro's as it has always been.

[Sutton]

I still plan on picking up a Maketoys Giant when (if) it gets released in Green/Purple, regardless of whether Hasbro makes a great FOC Bruticus. For every classics Warpath there's a classics Ironhide, so I just don't trust them enough at the moment on the basis of one announcement and a few select pictures.

Murphy's law says that once the fans have all forked out big $$$ for either Hercules/Giant, Hasbro will reveal a true Classics Devastator that pisses on both of them.

[griffin]

I'm so tired of all this 3rd party nonsense. Why can't these companies differentiate themselves like the Transformers & Gobots did back in the day? Make your own show and/or comic, create your own damn characters and stop stealing others intellectual property! /rant

If Hasbro/Tomy don't care to intervene about mass-copying of character-likenesses that are currently being licensed by other companies (like IDW & ShoutFactory), I've found that there's no point us fans complaining about it.

For them though, it's just easier to copy existing franchise characters, and sell them direct to those fans, than go through the legal and safety processes that toy companies do.
If they took on the role of a regular toy company, they'd have to safety-test their products, register/patent them, pitch them to retailers, provide support services, promote their products to consumers... to make them legal.
And those 3rd party producers wouldn't have much success with items if they didn't copy existing character properties - it's the only reason fans of Transformers buy their "Transformers" items. Their profitability requires character models that are currently in use (by Hasbro, IDW and ShoutFactory) to sell their items.

But like I said, this is Hasbro/Tomy's issue... endless debate by fans over it wont change their stand on the matter.

[kup]

I still plan on picking up a Maketoys Giant when (if) it gets released in Green/Purple, regardless of whether Hasbro makes a great FOC Bruticus. For every classics Warpath there's a classics Ironhide, so I just don't trust them enough at the moment on the basis of one announcement and a few select pictures.

Murphy's law says that once the fans have all forked out big $$$ for either Hercules/Giant, Hasbro will reveal a true Classics Devastator that pisses on both of them.

I say that is still highly unlikely that Hasbro would release enough interesting stuff to supplant the 3rd parties. So far this Bruticus as awesome as it may seem, is just an oddity from Hasbro plus we don't even know how it'll turn out since we have seen very little.

If we start seeing this sort of release reasonably frequent instead of say...that Kreo Devastator (:rolleyes:)..then we can say that Hasbro has picked up the ball well enough to threaten 3rd parties but I am still skeptical that we'll see more great releases such as this (assuming that it does turn out good).

[SkyWarp91]

It's about FOC-king time.

Get it? YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I'll get these toys by the way lol Swindle looks awesome and Bruticus oh yeah oh yeah

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Close. Every Toyfair (in around March), Hasbro (all toy companies really) pressure retailers to pre-order as much as they can convince them toy buy, and using the success of the second movie, Hasbro were able to fool the Retailers into thinking that the third movie toys would be even more successful. Retailers bought up big, and they got burnt.
Now the kids, fans and collectors suffer because retailers cancel any future stock orders they signed up to at Toyfair, and lose money on the brand by clearing stock out at a loss... making it less likely to order new stock of that brand when they finally do clear their shelves.

"fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me"

So in essence, the current way of marketting for Transformers is not helping Hasbro, retailers or consumers.

Hasbro loses sales from cancelled orders. Reatilers lose money by having to discount. Consumers lose by having the same characters for the next year with no new stock.

This would suggest to me that the current method is flawed. Perhaps a new way should be considered. But then I am a logical thinking dude who wonders about Astralian Business practices.:o

[Sky Shadow]

I'm so tired of all this 3rd party nonsense. Why can't these companies differentiate themselves like the Transformers & Gobots did back in the day? Make your own show and/or comic, create your own damn characters and stop stealing others intellectual property! /rant

+1/Like/Thumbs Up/Smiley Face.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

I'm so tired of all this 3rd party nonsense. Why can't these companies differentiate themselves like the Transformers & Gobots did back in the day? Make your own show and/or comic, create your own damn characters and stop stealing others intellectual property! /rant
IMO 3rd parties exists because Hasbro has neglected a clearly profitable section of their market.

If Hasbro continue releasing stuff like this Bruticus, then there won't be a need for 3rd parties. It is really all up to Hasbro's as it has always been.This might not be the place for the latest round of this topic hey.:)

For my part, the Odieverse doesn't have a Bruticus/Combaticons set yet and the FP set is a tad pricey for my liking (and big compared to the G1 gestalts), so if it's a good set this'll probably be it. If not it'll be back to keeping an eye out for affordable G2 Combaticons, but I'd like to support Hasbro doing decent combiners again if possible. I'm quite happy with what little 3rd-Party stuff I've got and they are all things HasTak probably won't ever do (Reflector & CC armor) but official stuff is just more accessible.

[Hursticon]

Umm...
Someone needs to check on Bruticus (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/member.php?u=595), I think he may have exploded with joy!?! :eek::p

I'm very much looking forward to seeing more of this before I pass final judgement but from what I've seen so far, things are looking pretty awesome and this wont be replacing my FansProject Enhanced Classicsverse Bruticus ever; more so this Hasbro effort will merely compliment him but this does lead me to wonder as to what the current state of FoC Grimlock & the other Dinobots are, I have a feeling though that the FoC Prime figure will end up being a repaint however. ;):cool:

[Doubledealer]

Umm...
Someone needs to check on Bruticus (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/member.php?u=595), I think he may have exploded with joy!?! :eek::p

Haven't seen old mate on the boards for a little while. If you can hear us Bruticus, let your presence be known. :D


...this does lead me to wonder as to what the current state of FoC Grimlock & the other Dinobots are, I have a feeling though that the FoC Prime figure will end up being a repaint however. ;):cool:

I'm really interested to see what they do with the FoC Dinobots too. From a scale point of view, the Dinobots (or at least Grimlock) appear to be absolutely ginormous in the game (we see Grimlock seemingly readying himself for a clash with Bruticus himself!) so it'll be interesting to see what size-class they choose for the toys. Leader Class would be nice. :p

Considering how ugly the FoC Prime model is, a WFC repaint for his toy would be an absolute blessing. :p I still struggle to accept a Prime without any transparent plastic on his chest though. :(

[kup]

I really do hope that there is a FOC Grimlock and at least one other Dinobot coming sometime.

When is all this expected to be released anyways? Isn't the game not out until the end of the year?

[Lord_Zed]

Excuse my pessimism, but Dinobot moulds other than Grimlock seem like unchecked optimism to me, given Hasbro's current stance on beastformers . I'll be surprised if Grimlock is anything but Deluxe too, though Voyager would be nice.

Pretty sure Griffin said the releases of the toys was in the third quarter with the game following at the end of the year, so yeah not until after the initial Prime buzz.

[5FDP]

When is all this expected to be released anyways? Isn't the game not out until the end of the year?

Aug/Sep for the toys; Dec for the game. We got a looong wait ahead of us :(

[kup]

Aug/Sep for the toys; Dec for the game. We got a looong wait ahead of us :(

I hope the reveals are at least much sooner.

[Prowl]

IMO 3rd parties exists because Hasbro has neglected a clearly profitable section of their market.

If Hasbro continue releasing stuff like this Bruticus, then there won't be a need for 3rd parties. It is really all up to Hasbro's as it has always been.

Exactly. Hasbro makes their choices & a lot of them are bad ones when it comes to cashed up fans looking to spend their hard earned with them.

My Non Insecticons are better than 95% of the product Hasbro has released in the last 12 months here. That is not saying how high quality they are but how shabbily we fans get treated by Hasbro on a ongoing basis.

[1orion2many]

We do a lot of complaining, Myself included but at the end of the day a majority of us have the old jellyfish spine syndrome:rolleyes::p:D. At least we do get a large variety of choices lately even if you do think it's below average. I can understand people singing the praises of 3rd party items but what people seem to forget there is a big price difference between third party deluxes compared to Hasbro deluxes(Maybe less so in Australia:rolleyes:)

[Sutton]

Hasbro's quality took a real nose dive with the DOTM toys - if they were going to shrink the size of their products, they should have done it much more gradually like the toothpaste and potato chip companies do.

[FFN]

Close. Every Toyfair (in around March), Hasbro (all toy companies really) pressure retailers to pre-order as much as they can convince them toy buy, and using the success of the second movie, Hasbro were able to fool the Retailers into thinking that the third movie toys would be even more successful. Retailers bought up big, and they got burnt.
Now the kids, fans and collectors suffer because retailers cancel any future stock orders they signed up to at Toyfair, and lose money on the brand by clearing stock out at a loss... making it less likely to order new stock of that brand when they finally do clear their shelves.

"fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me" That's kind of a fannish way to sum of that DOTM toys didn't do as well as ROTF toys in Australia.

Yeah, Hasbro's job is to convince retail buyers that their product is "totally rad" and will sell by the truck load, and "fooling" them, as you say, suggests Hasbro had some sort of ability to see into the future and knew that DOTM would not do as well (or something) and were tricking their customers into purchasing stock they knew would not shift.

From what I recall of Hasbro's Q3 2011 earnings report, CEO Brian Goldner acknowledged that collectors in particular weren't as keen on DOTM toys because it was the same cast of characters again.


So in essence, the current way of marketting for Transformers is not helping Hasbro, retailers or consumers.

Hasbro loses sales from cancelled orders. Reatilers lose money by having to discount. Consumers lose by having the same characters for the next year with no new stock.

This would suggest to me that the current method is flawed. Perhaps a new way should be considered. But then I am a logical thinking dude who wonders about Astralian Business practices.:o According to Hasbro's Q4 2011 earnings conference call (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tfw2005-coverage-of-hasbro-fourth-quarter-2011-earnings-conference-call-174310/), boys grew by 35%, with Transformers seeing 85% growth in 2011. The TF brand managed to bring in $483 million in revenue in 2011.

Hasbro reported that it did not do as well (overall) in the United States and Canada in 2011, though I'm not sure what exactly factored in that, as girls toys were down by 11% in 2011.

It seems like they're doing well for themselves.


IMO 3rd parties exists because Hasbro has neglected a clearly profitable section of their market.

If Hasbro continue releasing stuff like this Bruticus, then there won't be a need for 3rd parties. It is really all up to Hasbro's as it has always been. Hasbro "neglecting" to cater to a relatively small portion of their customers doesn't automatically mean it's perfectly alright for somebody else to step up and profit from their intellectual property, and in some cases, knock off the transformation engineering and knock off the actual molds (all of iGear's Fake Masterpiece stuff) or knock off customs (iGear again) and garage kits made by actual fans. (X-Transbots)

I would think that Hasbro is doing Bruticus now because he's in the game. The last time they did biggish combiners was because Energon revolved around the Autobots combining. I'd love for them to do more combiner teams, but I acknowledge that they need a way to sell them.


Exactly. Hasbro makes their choices & a lot of them are bad ones when it comes to cashed up fans looking to spend their hard earned with them.

My Non Insecticons are better than 95% of the product Hasbro has released in the last 12 months here. That is not saying how high quality they are but how shabbily we fans get treated by Hasbro on a ongoing basis. Considering we're not a significant proportion of their target markets? We're treated alright. It seems like when you're talking about "how shabbily [Hasbro treats you]" you actually mean "Hasbro isn't doing exactly what I want, and thus, I am offended."

Look at Generations, which are G1 character toys, some of them were quite obscure characters you never expected to see as toys again, or ever. Is that not good enough? Months back, some others hassled me about how great Mattel was at doing a direct-market approach for their Ghostbusters and MOTU stuff. My American friends hate dealing with Matty Collector. It is not a system Hasbro should emulate, and in any case, doesn't need to, because they *already* sell their collector-slanted figures in normal retail outlets.

[Darthprimus]

so long as FoC Bruticus has hands and feet and not energon kibble stubs im happy e.g. Energon Bruticus maximus. HOPE THE GAME IS 3D....

[kup]

so long as FoC Bruticus has hands and feet and not energon kibble stubs im happy e.g. Energon Bruticus maximus. HOPE THE GAME IS 3D....

How about Energon Superion who looks like he has peg legs, a stick hand and a crab claw.

Stuff like that along with the somewhat recently released Supreme Devastator and the unimpressive PCC combiners forces one to think that Hasbro doesn't care to invest much on combiners or has very odd ideas about them. That along with their 'combiners are too hard' comment naturally make people who are aware of Hasbro's history with this type of toy a bit skeptical or reserved when it comes to how this Bruticus will end up.

Personally, I am hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.

[Prowl]

Considering we're not a significant proportion of their target markets? We're treated alright. It seems like when you're talking about "how shabbily [Hasbro treats you]" you actually mean "Hasbro isn't doing exactly what I want, and thus, I am offended."


I stand by what I said. Hasbro has made their choices & a lot of them are bad for the collector with cash to burn. I understand they had to push the DOTM garbage but when I look at what the 3rd parties are doing they are catering to the fan of Transformers. I am not a fan of Hasbro or Takara I am a fan of "Transformers" & if a 3rd party produces a item that fits my needs & wants then I will buy it.



Look at Generations, which are G1 character toys, some of them were quite obscure characters you never expected to see as toys again, or ever. Is that not good enough?

I have no problem with Generations except that they have not released them fast enough for my liking. Would Hasbro do a Generations Insecticons? Highly unlikely due to their alt modes but there are 3rd parties out there that saw that gap in the market & tapped into it.

I will clarify that I do not support KO's however a well thought out 3rd party product can enhance a collection.

[griffin]

I think the sales increases that Hasbro quotes are their sales to retailers, not retail sales to consumers... kinda like how recording artists earn gold or platinum awards from the amounts sold to retailers, not to consumers (often before a CD has even been sold).
It's clear from the amount of stock we saw on shelves mid-year that they had indeed sold a lot more stock than ever before, but with minimal restocking to retailers in the last 6 months of last year, the total sales for the year is unlikely to have beaten RotF year (2009) or even 2010. Just look at how many figures (like Dlx W6 & W7 (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=10945)) were either cancelled or had their production numbers cut back so much, that they are almost impossible to find. (and what happened to our Mirage/Dino toy... it's a main cast character - there's no way that they didn't have a convertible Mirage toy in the works)


And yes, I am a bit cynical of the Toyfair mechanism, which forces toy companies to change winning formulas to "keep it fresh" for retailers who don't care about brand longevity, and then they have to convince those retailers to buy up based on past sales... which we've seen hurts a brand like ours, by having early waves clogging shelves, limiting turnover of new items for us consumers and limiting profit for the retailers.

[kup]

More pictures, this time Onslaught:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fall-of-cybertron-onslaught-figure/23932/

As one would expect, the figure has been compromised to accommodate the combining gimmick with the biggest impact being in the truck mode. The back of the vehicle mode has that 'G1 Kup' horse shoe shape with a big gap at the back but overall I don't mind it.

However I am unsure of how proportionate, stable and articulated the Gestalt will be. So far I am noticing a couple of 'less than optimized' design queues but we shall see.

More pics from TFW here:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/new-pictures-of-fall-of-cybertron-combaticons-174325/

[1orion2many]

As of late I would consider these one of the better lines if not the best line to collect. I like the look of both modes despite the slight allowances for gesalt joining. I definitely prefer this over the Prime line because of the more balanced styling (JLA doesn't do it for me). I'm not saying the Prime line is bad as it has some nice figures which I am collecting, I just prefer a more balanced look.

[liegeprime]

Hmmm that toy does not really translate Onslaught from the CGI image well, the toy looks skinny and full on panels while the CGI representation it was based from is all bulky... looks also small - deluxe sized perhaps hmmmm:(

So far all 3 land based combaticons have shown up, they better up the ante with the 2 air vehicles

Isnt it weird that it's always Bruticus/ combaticons which seem to be the most issued out combiner? Even in G1 it was the combiner n=most reissued across different lines as well - RiD, Energon... someone in Hasbro really likes Bruticus I guess.. not much love for any of the Autobot combiners.... I wouldnt mind a Cybertronian Computron as they can clearly get away with futuristic designs with those figures, but so far no dice.

[5FDP]

Onslaught looks good; the clearer image of Bruticus looks even better :cool:

From what we have seen so far, there is nothing Hasbro can do to stuff this up IMO. I'm even considering buying doubles so I can display Bruticus with my other WFC / FOC toys and keep a set sealed.

[SMHFConvoy]

Foc Bruticus on TFW2005 (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/full-foc-bruticus-toy-revealed-174327/) as well as Blast-Off and Vortex (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/pics-of-fall-of-cybertron-vortex-and-blast-off-toys-174328/)

Looks like the connect in a similar way to PCC (minus the bright blue pegs)

[Sleeve]

Loving this whole set, but Vortex just doesn't seem right in those colours. He looks more like a flying Rampage.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Hmm, well I was hopiing for Onslaught to be a voyager, as in WFC he was one of the larger chunkier fellows, buuuut considering how the Gens dont get no boyagers, I guess it was optimistic at best. Still, they have managed to bulk up the front of the truck at the vaery least. With a large bit of blammo action on the back he should be cool. At the very least fun to play with.

Vortex and Blastoff look excessively bright comared to the others though.

I do like the look of Blast off. Onsluaght could do with a bit moe shoulder bulk. Hopefully mistransformed.

Still, since I have a love for Cybertronian modes, definitely a get for me!

[Lord_Zed]

Gotta say I still think I prefer that other not entirely Hasbro Bruticus. I wonder if there's anyway to push those connectors in a little.

However the individual toys look decent, not entirely in love with them, but it's nice to see them release a full team of Decepticons rather than token ones.

Not sure about Blast Off's altmode, it's edging a bit close to Movie Starscream rocklord with those colours.

I'm hoping Shockwave will be the star of this wave for me though.

[1orion2many]

Foc Bruticus on TFW2005 (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/full-foc-bruticus-toy-revealed-174327/) as well as Blast-Off and Vortex (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/pics-of-fall-of-cybertron-vortex-and-blast-off-toys-174328/)

Looks like the connect in a similar way to PCC (minus the bright blue pegs)

:eek:OOoooo Pretty colours:D I think Onslaught needs to be Voyager to bulk out those Quads:D

[Hursticon]

LOL! :p:D
The thing I find most funny about these photos, is the fact that Hasbro still fails on having their promotional material screened before it is released to the public and such, I mean look at how woefully mis-transformed each individual figure is and then the Gestalt suffers the same affliction! :rolleyes::p - Then they go and photoshop the hell out of it! :D

Ohh...
Well, typically most of our North American counterparts are having a song and dance about how 'Fail' it looks, ignoring the blatantly obvious detailed above and drowning out those bringing it to their attention :eek::rolleyes:, but I too am very much looking forward to it as they/he looks to be rather fun even given the compromises. ;):cool:

My only gripe is the colours of Vortex, but it is almost certain that they're due to American retailer's stances on similarly coloured toys. ;):)

[loophole]

dont like the colours on blast-off and vortex, lets hope the japan release of these fix that

[Sutton]

I think using the FP Bruticus as a direct comparison is probably unfair in this case...comparing this to any of the other combiners Hasbro has attempted since G1 however paints this guy in a much more favorable light. The fact that they're even making this at all makes me want to stand up and applaud. I'll probably buy this guy regardless of it's shortcomings as a show of support. Would be nice if they sold him as a boxset...I can't see them doing him as a full wave on his own, and spreading him across multiple waves is a recipe for disaster. Still not clear if all of the kibble is integrated or not...


Now I just need to see some pics of Shockwave...!

[5FDP]

:eek:OOoooo Pretty colours:D I think Onslaught needs to be Voyager to bulk out those Quads:D

Agreed that Onslaught needs to be a Voyager. I can already see prices for Universe Onslaught going up and some kick-ass customs forthcoming. It wouldn't really fit though given that these Combaticons are all Cybertronian.



Well, typically most of our North American counterparts are having a song and dance about how 'Fail' it looks, ignoring the blatantly obvious detailed above and drowning out those bringing it to their attention :eek::rolleyes:

I was reading some of those comments too. It pisses me off that these fans don't acknowledge how good they have it with their exclusives and discounts but would rather complain about the first 'unofficial' image they see.


I think using the FP Bruticus as a direct comparison is probably unfair in this case...comparing this to any of the other combiners Hasbro has attempted since G1 however paints this guy in a much more favorable light. The fact that they're even making this at all makes me want to stand up and applaud. I'll probably buy this guy regardless of it's shortcomings as a show of support. Would be nice if they sold him as a boxset...I can't see them doing him as a full wave on his own, and spreading him across multiple waves is a recipe for disaster. Still not clear if all of the kibble is integrated or not...


Now I just need to see some pics of Shockwave...!

QFT :cool:

[Lord_Zed]

I think using the FP Bruticus as a direct comparison is probably unfair in this case...comparing this to any of the other combiners Hasbro has attempted since G1 however paints this guy in a much more favorable light. The fact that they're even making this at all makes me want to stand up and applaud. I'll probably buy this guy regardless of it's shortcomings as a show of support. Would be nice if they sold him as a boxset...I can't see them doing him as a full wave on his own, and spreading him across multiple waves is a recipe for disaster. Still not clear if all of the kibble is integrated or not...


Now I just need to see some pics of Shockwave...!

I agree with this too, but seeing as how someone else brought up the whole 3rd party vs Hasbro can of worms it seemed apt. On the whole 3rd parties produce small quantities of toy for a niche market. One would presume them to be fans and free of many of the constraints of a big business like Hasbro. So yes it is an unfair comparison.

Considering Hasbro's last combiner was the two Movie Devestator's this a major improvement and a step in the right direction for most fans. If they keep at it, perhaps combiners will be a regular part of Hasbro's releases again.

And yes the Shockwave suspense is a killer, please don't mess him up Hasbro.

[theheretic]

Well I am pretty disappointed in this. I think I put the Bruticus on a pedestal and it hasn't lived up to my hopes :-( Totally mad me sad. I think because I love WFC so much I put too higher expectations on this toy. Maybe better pictures will come out and change my mind. Atleast all hope isn't lost. Onslaught and brawl look great and shockwave might be good too. And jazz and Optimus. Things might be okay

[Quickstrike]

Man, Vortex sure is red. Which is how he looks in the trailer from the little you see of him I guess. Looks good though.

[Sky Shadow]

Wow, Blast Off is a toy of beauty - he looks like a steampunk Transformer. Just amazing.

[Hursticon]

Wow, Blast Off is a toy of beauty - he looks like a steampunk Transformer. Just amazing.

I was really looking forward to seeing him especially, as I just couldn't quite fathom a 'Space Shuttle' with a WFC/FoC Cybertronian Aesthetic; he really does look amazing huh? :D
The exposed Heat-sink piping really does give him a whole different angle. :cool:

Vortex's Alt mode actually reminds me quite a bit of a more Cybertronian version of Airachnid's Earthen Alt mode (Sans the Black paint job). ;):)

[kaiden]

i really dont like the PCC style connectors. they're very weak and ugly.

TFC Devastator (Hercules) while not perfect, the connectors are very solid and were hidden well.

Blast Off looks great! Vortex... not so much - the helicopter looks like some kind of fish/mosquito monstrosity.

[Hursticon]

Blast Off looks great! Vortex... not so much - the helicopter looks like some kind of fish/mosquito monstrosity.

Dun, dun, DUN!

http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a409/Darkone666au/Webpics/reduced-bwfuzinj-l.jpg

:p:D

[Tallestblue]

No-one loves you, Injector.

Well, the pics of Blast-off and Vortex are....interesting...?

I'm assuming the arms are laughably mistransformed.

[Lord_Zed]

Just to be different I far prefer Vortex to Blastoff. Blastoff just looks a little to skinny and movieesque to me, and is altmode to much like flying junk.

I prefer the fishcopter, at least it looks like something even if that is a fish with rotor blades. I just wish he was purple instead of red though.

[k.wong23]

Looks awesome can't wait for the Gestalt! It's drawing near!

[kaiden]

they revealed the full combined mode. (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fall-of-cybertron-vortex-blast-off-and-bruticus-fully-combined-toy-images/23936/)

and its just PCC ugly...

[Sam]

they revealed the full combined mode. (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fall-of-cybertron-vortex-blast-off-and-bruticus-fully-combined-toy-images/23936/)

and its just PCC ugly...

Thanks for sharing the link! If this gestalt was "real", those connection points better be extremely strong. :)

I still think the Fansproject third party crossfire sets are better.

[Gutsman Heavy]

No-one loves you, Injector.


My love is well documented. He awesome.

[Hursticon]

they revealed the full combined mode. (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fall-of-cybertron-vortex-blast-off-and-bruticus-fully-combined-toy-images/23936/)

and its just PCC ugly...

Cheers Kaiden, those pics are what my comments have been aimed at (I thought they'd already bee linked :o).
You see how horribly mis-transformed he is? - Then Hasbro gives the pics the "O-K" and then proceeds to photoshop the crap out of them! :confused::rolleyes:

Don't form your final opinions on these photos guys, wait until we've seen them properly transformed by someone with an IQ before you do so. :p
I myself still really like the looks of them and still very much want to purchase them. ;):)

[SharkyMcShark]

Those shoulders look hideous.

The bots themselves look far too simple for my taste but it's undestandable given that they've got to combine.

[kup]

I am somewhat disapointed but not fully as I kind of expected this. It would have been designed by the same people that gave us PCCs and with all the added corporate restrictions so this result is logical.

I don't think it's that mistransformed, that's the proportions it's got. Not great but I am pretty sure that it is a limitation of the designer's capabilities with the added Hasbro cost cutting impositions.

Certainly no 3rd party usurper which is kind of disappointing but I guess it was unrealistic to expect something half as good. At least it will be reasonably priced (not in Australia of course :rolleyes:) and the individual robot modes look pretty decent (Onslaught remains to be seen).

The Hasbro colors suck in a very 'Universe Dinobot' sort of way (specially Vortex) so I may wait for a Japanese release that will hopefully have more accurate colors. Although I wouldn't mind getting this set, the full picture certainly doesn't put it in a 'Must have now!' category.

You know what? I am pretty sure a 3rd party will come up with a 3rd party kit that will make this set awesome beyond believe like it happened with ROTF/Universe Bruticus resetting events for a whole new generations of fans ;)

[Shirokaze]

I won't say he's ruined as such.... but I guess I wasn't expecting this with all those great teaser shots. Vortex looks like a Chinese new year repaint! :confused:

[kup]

I won't say he's ruined as such.... but I guess I wasn't expecting this with all those great teaser shots. Vortex looks like a Chinese new year repaint! :confused:

The colors make him look like a cheap $2 knock off.

[kup]

Someone at TFW photoshopped an image (You may need to be a member or logged in to view it):

(hotlinked image removed)

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-news-rumors/27278206d1328739412-foc-onslaught-figure-blue.jpg

The colors alone make a huge improvement. A lot of the bad it's the stupid colors (will they ever learn?)

BTW: I know that there is a CGI character model of Vortex with similar colors but it looks better there than in toy form but still not my preference.

[5FDP]

Colour change or not, that is one imposing bot :cool: I seriously don't see where all this fan-rage is coming from. Yeah, it's not perfect (Onslaught should have been a Voyager), but I'm still buying it because IT IS Bruticus not some 3rd party interpretation.

[kup]

Yeah, it's not perfect (Onslaught should have been a Voyager), but I'm still buying it because IT IS Bruticus not some 3rd party interpretation that happens to be a lot better.


Sorry I couldn't help myself :p

[5FDP]

Sorry I couldn't help myself :p

I was waiting for that :p

In all seriousness though, I fail to see how it could be better as it is Hasbro's IP / design. Anything else is just an imitation. For that reason, it's also unfair to compare official product to 3rd party. Of course, that's just my opinion and for the record, I do like not-Bruticus however he would be out of place in my collection.

[kup]

I was waiting for that :p

In all seriousness though, I fail to see how it could be better as it is Hasbro's IP / design. Anything else is just an imitation. For that reason, it's also unfair to compare official product to 3rd party. Of course, that's just my opinion and for the record, I do like not-Bruticus however he would be out of place in my collection.

Yep, ironically enough it is unfair as logically one would think that the company with the largest financial resources would be able to give you the better product but that is not the reality of the corporate world.

As I previously mentioned, this Bruticus would have needed to conform to corporate factors such as cost cutting and executive agendas. The Has-Tak designers lack the freedom of focusing exclusively on a single creative vision unlike the 3rd parties who don't have to deal with any or all of those imposed factors. It is possible that the concept design for this Bruticus was once outstanding and ambitious but after it got hit with the corporate hammer, it became what it is.

It is still good that we are actually getting a proper combiner from Hasbro and that contributes to my eventual purchase of this mold. It may be flawed and not as impressive as the 3rd parties but one can't deny that this is a proper combiner unlike PCCs and that horrible Supreme Devastator. Despite it's shortcomings, I am glad they made it which is something we were previously told would not happen.


do like not-Bruticus however he would be out of place in my collection.

An interesting thing that I was just thinking. A lot of the 3rd party stuff are upgrades to official toys like Protector, Bruticus Maximus, etc. Since the official toy is still there unmodified with just extra accessories, does it really count as 'Not-***'? I can understand it for stand alone figures like Defender as 'Not Springer' but for toys like Protector, there is still an official Rodimus in there as the core figure (Same with G2 Prime and CC) and FP Bruticus is still composed of 3/5 official Hasbro figures.

So if I implement Gok's 'Universal Counting method' Protector and City Commander would still count as 1 each, FP Bruticus as 3 and FP Superion as 5 (since all Hasbro figures are used).

[liegeprime]

I love it! :D:D:D Though PCC looking It's still an offcial Combiner.. finally! Just hope those connectors are indedd strong enough. Hmmm I like both the flying vehicle alt modes ( yes, I like Injector coz he looks weird) VOrtex reminds me as well of Switchblade from Mask for some reason. Hope they make more combiner teams - e.g Aerialbots and Protectobots... Autobots need combiners too.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

I won't say he's ruined as such.... but I guess I wasn't expecting this with all those great teaser shots. Vortex looks like a Chinese new year repaint! :confused:

Groan....:rolleyes:

[1AZRAEL1]

I like, and will buy 2 lots of him I think :p

[SharkyMcShark]

Someone at TFW photoshopped an image (You may need to be a member or logged in to view it):

(hotlinked image removed)

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-news-rumors/27278206d1328739412-foc-onslaught-figure-blue.jpg

The colors alone make a huge improvement. A lot of the bad it's the stupid colors (will they ever learn?)

BTW: I know that there is a CGI character model of Vortex with similar colors but it looks better there than in toy form but still not my preference.

The reason that looks much better isn't the colours so much as he's used whatever image editing tool he's used to bring the shoulders 'in' compared to the actual picture we've seen (which was mine and many others main complaint), and added cannons on the back which give a sense of a larger scale. Compare the two

(photoshopped) http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-news-rumors/27278206d1328739412-foc-onslaught-figure-blue.jpg

(original) http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/7/3/2/3/1/FoC_Bruticus_toy_1328675996.jpg

[kaiden]

I like the photoshopped version with the cannons on the back and vortex's new colours. but the one thing that stands out the most is the connecting limbs and how skinny and weak they look.

If a 3rd party were to make a bulkier Onslaught maybe similar to the WFC version, then I'd be happy.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

I love it! :D:D:D Though PCC looking It's still an offcial Combiner.. finally! Just hope those connectors are indedd strong enough. Hmmm I like both the flying vehicle alt modes ( yes, I like Injector coz he looks weird) VOrtex reminds me as well of Switchblade from Mask for some reason. Hope they make more combiner teams - e.g Aerialbots and Protectobots... Autobots need combiners too.Technobots would be awesome, since they're 'futuristic' vehicles anyway.

[Sutton]

I like that the combined mode's gun is made from all the smaller bot's weapons joined together, but if you're going to make a reference to a recent 3rd party combiner you'd want to at least do as good a job on it as they did. That gun just looks like a bunch of guns stuck together...which it is.

[Sutton]

Technobots would be awesome, since they're 'futuristic' vehicles anyway.

Except they'd have to be renamed 'Regularobots' or something since everyone's techno in WFC/FOC.

Either that or the 'DoofDoofBots'.

[Sky Shadow]

You know who Vortex is redolent of in those colours?

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1306/43010910150558615594682.jpg

Universe/RiD Predacon Bruticus?

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1439/transformersunivultra09.jpghttp://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6497/ridbruticus.gif

Coincidence, or the deliberate reason for a weird colour scheme for Vortex?

[Paulbot]

I like Bruticus in the released picture. It looks like a bulk of a transformer stomping his way towards the camera.


I like that the combined mode's gun is made from all the smaller bot's weapons joined together, but if you're going to make a reference to a recent 3rd party combiner you'd want to at least do as good a job on it as they did. That gun just looks like a bunch of guns stuck together...which it is.

FYI you made the guns for Ruination (the Bruticus repaint from RID) by combining the weapons of the individual robots. So this toy (and the third party toy) is actually making a reference to earlier official TFs. And yes those looked like a bunch of guns stuck together too...

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

And yes those looked like a bunch of guns stuck together too...

Lol, so very very true...:D

[Sutton]

I like Bruticus in the released picture. It looks like a bulk of a transformer stomping his way towards the camera.



FYI you made the guns for Ruination (the Bruticus repaint from RID) by combining the weapons of the individual robots. So this toy (and the third party toy) is actually making a reference to earlier official TFs. And yes those looked like a bunch of guns stuck together too...

Yep, I've got the ugly camo/orange/red repaint of Ruination. But I sincerely doubt that this is in reference to that. I also doubt it's in reference to Hercules. It's most likely just what they came up with to avoid having to store the weapons elsewhere in robot mode. It's also why Onslaught's rifle is so daft. Onslaught is a good reason to sell these in a giftset and not separately - he's deeply flawed as an individual TF.

[sideswipes brother]

Dun, dun, DUN!

http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a409/Darkone666au/Webpics/reduced-bwfuzinj-l.jpg

:p:D

Best. Transformer. EVER!

[Hursticon]

Best. Transformer. EVER!

I love him, I really don't get all the disliking for the ugly brute but I suppose every era of TFs has to have it's Wheelie huh? :p:D

[gdmetro]

So just visited TFW for toyfair news.

Hasbro has planned over 40 figures for Generations line - 2013 :D


Also:

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/gdmetro/8f80994654f111e18bb812313804a181_7.jpg

(Pic posted by Steroid Prime on TFW Forums)
Actual link: http://instagr.am/p/G4RpxvKc9R/

[loophole]

YES!! Classics Shockwave!!!

[fatbot]

from that angle, Shockwave looks really good

[swoop]

Whats up with those colours on bruticus they look nothing like whats been showed already. I hope its no the final colours or I'm going to be pissed

[Meangreen]

Whats up with those colours on bruticus they look nothing like whats been showed already. I hope its no the final colours or I'm going to be pissed
I heard that the reps at the booth have advised they are prototype colours on Bruticus. I'm inclined to beleive them.

[liegeprime]

So just visited TFW for toyfair news.

Hasbro has planned over 40 figures for Generations line - 2013 :D


Also:

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/gdmetro/8f80994654f111e18bb812313804a181_7.jpg

(Pic posted by Steroid Prime on TFW Forums)
Actual link: http://instagr.am/p/G4RpxvKc9R/

Wohooo!! My wallet is soooo gonna hate me :D:D:D:D:D:D

That Shockwave figure is awesome! Darn! Now Id have to collect Cybertron mode versions aaaaarrrggghhh!!!

Oh and swoop, its a 50/50 thing with colors, remember it's Hasbro, you never know what surprises they're up to.... :rolleyes:

[swoop]

I heard that the reps at the booth have advised they are prototype colours on Bruticus. I'm inclined to beleive them.

So am I, I don't like the alternative.

So true leige, if they stuff it up hopefully Takara will fix it.

40+ figures for generations next year = :D

[theheretic]

40+ figures for generations next year = :D

ARRGHHHH!!!!! My wallet!


The horror

[5FDP]

Shockwave FTW :cool: (you're going into my sig too)

That's a very G2 looking Bruticus there. Definitely a prototype. The interview with designer Lenny Panzica (http://kotaku.com/5884233/bruticus-leads-transformers-fall-of-cybertrons-toy-store-invasion) was an interesting read but he doesn't really explain why the decision was made to make Onslaught a deluxe toy as well.

[Paulbot]

So just visited TFW for toyfair news.

Hasbro has planned over 40 figures for Generations line - 2013 :D


Also:

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/gdmetro/8f80994654f111e18bb812313804a181_7.jpg

(Pic posted by Steroid Prime on TFW Forums)
Actual link: http://instagr.am/p/G4RpxvKc9R/


from that angle, Shockwave looks really good

From that angle, Optimus looks really bad (but I'm very happy with the first version so no big deal :) )

And that'd be Jazz right? It looks like it could kind of be Breakdown too.

It does look a bit like Breakdown but it's Jazz. Lots more pics of Generations figures at TFW (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/toy-fair-38/toy-fair-2012-transformers-generations-images-174372/) and here (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/toy-fair-38/more-transformers-generations-from-toy-fair--more-174373/)

[Doubledealer]

So just visited TFW for toyfair news.

Hasbro has planned over 40 figures for Generations line - 2013 :D


Also:

*snippeh*

(Pic posted by Steroid Prime on TFW Forums)
Actual link: http://instagr.am/p/G4RpxvKc9R/

Wow wow wow WOW! :eek:


From that angle, Optimus looks really bad (but I'm very happy with the first version so no big deal :) )Unfortunately Optimus was always going to look terrible based on his FoC design. :p

[kup]

Shockwave looks really good. Better than expected but need clearer pics.

Prime looks very mediocre (prefer the WFC release, hate the 'beer gut')

Jazz looks pretty good.

Bruticus - This is now definitely a 'Wait for a Japanese version' category.

Damn Hasbro and their stupid colors...

[Golden Phoenix]

Shockwave looks really good. Better than expected but need clearer pics.

Prime looks very mediocre (prefer the WFC release, hate the 'beer gut')

Jazz looks pretty good.

Bruticus - This is now definitely a 'Wait for a Japanese version' category.

Damn Hasbro and their stupid colors...

Agreed. Shockwave looks fantastic. I reckon he would even work with the Classics shelf.

[kup]

Agreed. Shockwave looks fantastic. I reckon he would even work with the Classics shelf.

He would since Shockwave technically always had a 'cybertronian' mode.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Shockwave looks awesome.

Bruticus looks surprisingly big. Not keen on the prototype colours and really hope they find a way to mount the guns on his back for that traditional 'Bruticus can shoot the sky' look, but he's looking to be a must-have.

[kup]

TFW has posted official pics:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-toys-official-images-174380/

Keep in mind that some pics appear to suffer from bad photography. In some the angles are off making the upper body look too big (like Jazz) which is not apparent from the Toy fair pics. At least Prime looks better there but it may be an illusion.

I am not liking the 'old man' Jazz face. It looks to be sculpted by the same genius that gave us that awful Generations Kup head - Hopefully the 3rd parties will fix that up.

[Paulbot]

Love the news that the Combaticons are all in one wave. Should make getting the set a breeze (unless they make it a case of 8 not 10).

[tinyJazz]

TFW has posted official pics:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-toys-official-images-174380/

Keep in mind that some pics appear to suffer from bad photography. In some the angles are off making the upper body look too big (like Jazz) which is not apparent from the Toy fair pics. At least Prime looks better there but it may be an illusion.

I am not liking the 'old man' Jazz face. It looks to be sculpted by the same genius that gave us that awful Generations Kup head - Hopefully the 3rd parties will fix that up.

That photo makes him look really bad. The toyfair pics look even worse (http://www.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=204&size=1&image=33). I get what they were trying to do with the face sculpt, but that much detail in a small space makes it look like he suffered an allergic reaction, or you know, "how do you get that much cellulite on your face?".

Awesome, I'll buy ten.

From the toyfair pics, Shockwave looks really good, no complaints. Great silhouette too.

Not really digging Optimus, or Bruticus.

[1AZRAEL1]

Well, I do want the lot of them lol. Prime will be one I will contemplate when I see him on the shelf. But 2 Shockwaves are needed :D and 40+ Generations figures? Have I gone to Heaven?

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

FOC Prime loks like he has gone the way of easy transformation. Such big shins...

[kaiden]

Love the news that the Combaticons are all in one wave. Should make getting the set a breeze (unless they make it a case of 8 not 10).

what!??!?!? its not in an assortment of 5 bumblebees and 3 combaticons? the hell is wrong with you hasbro? :P

Jazz's face suffers from the same problems kup did and i guess we'll be looking at igear to fix that up.

SHOCKWAVE!!! wow that it a sexy sculpt. my only issue is how he's holding his cannon - i was hoping it would fit over his forearm and peg in to his hand so it would have a more G1 look - not be a handheld cannon :( I would love this in voyager size at least though

and my god that Optimus looks like he's pregnant! he's looking similar to dotm Leadfoot with the belly.... why high moon? why would you knock Optimus up with your disgusting dark energon seeds...

[Quickstrike]

Yesssssssssssss. (http://cdn.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/TF-Generations-Deluxe-Shockwave-A0171_1329011119.jpg) Shockwave looks fantastic.

[griffin]

As I split up and/or combine this weekend's Toyfair news into news topics, I just wanted to quickly show a recent example why it can be necessary to have separate news topics (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=282600#post282600)... especially when existing topics go beyond several pages of comments. (in case anyone questions why something may have been moved or copied)

I'll still try to have/allow grouped discussion topics where possible, for the convenience of our more frequent patrons who read every post to notice the added news postings.

From this topic:

Post 91


When is all this expected to be released anyways? Isn't the game not out until the end of the year?

From post 62

Apparently these will be coming out in August/September... with the game out in December.

It's not the first time I've seen people ask about something lost within a lengthy topic of non-news follow-up postings, but I wanted to show that it does happen, so I want to make it easier to catch News details in a first posting where ever possible if it is significant enough.

[Doubledealer]

Really not seeing the problems people are having with Jazz's face. :confused: This (http://www.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=204&size=1&image=21) picture displays it nicely and it looks great to me. Jazz and Shockwave FTW!

[1AZRAEL1]

Really not seeing the problems people are having with Jazz's face. :confused:This (http://www.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=204&size=1&image=21) picture displays it nicely and it looks great to me. Jazz and Shockwave FTW!

+1

Am loving the new figures. Can't wait to see them all, and I will buy them all. Has kinda got me invigorated to buy Transformers and be interested in them more again.

[theheretic]

Do we know if the 40+ figures are all deluxe? I'm hoping theirs not gonna be a bunch of cyberverse size. A few voyagers would be nice though... Say 10 voyagers and 30 deluxe. Yes please!

[orionpax1]

Loving the look of all of them (where is Grimlock?), not sure on Bruticus thoughs, will have to wait for better pics (will get him anyway i'm sure). 40 plus for next years line:eek: and this years is only the tip of the iceberg too. Looks like this year will be an expensive one.

[Paulbot]

Do we know if the 40+ figures are all deluxe? I'm hoping theirs not gonna be a bunch of cyberverse size. A few voyagers would be nice though... Say 10 voyagers and 30 deluxe. Yes please!

It may expand in 2013 to different size classes and truly be like Universe 2.0 with new figures and repaints representing characters from all eras. I don't imagine all 40+ will be only "classics" (or "FOC" either) - that seems too much like wishful fan thinking. The Generations line could be where some of the movie toys (like Que, Leadfoot and Dino) might be released.

If its not TF:Prime expect it in Generations packaging.

[loophole]

Yesssssssssssss. (http://cdn.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/TF-Generations-Deluxe-Shockwave-A0171_1329011119.jpg) Shockwave looks fantastic.

The outline of his back wings and his head antennas looks like a Decepticon symbol

[Sky Shadow]

Shockwave is going to sell like hotcakes.

[gdmetro]

With all this news I was really excited.

But now that I've seen their actual size.... :(

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/gdmetro/shockwave.jpg

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/gdmetro/jazz_compare.jpg

(Pics posted here (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/546010-toy-fair-2012-generations-fall-cybertron-toys-pictures-15.html#post7259599) by user UTF)

Why can't Hasbro just charge more to keep the same size? Hate this DOTM shrinking syndrome.

[griffin]

Price points have to stay fixed as long as they can, or risk losing retailer support. (and risk consumer backlash over the price increase - which is easier to prove by the ordinary consumer)

[GoktimusPrime]

Awww, they could've made Shockwave's alt mode more G1 like, since as a space gun it wouldn't infringe on any replica gun laws. But I guess once I remove my G1 fanboy goggles, the idea of transforming into a giant handgun is pretty ridiculous. :p

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/madboard01.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/madboard02.jpghttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/madboard03.jpg

Is it just me, or does FoC Shockwave's alt mode look a bit like Straxus' alt mode from the G1 comics?

[Meangreen]

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=view&album=17165&pic=transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-bruticus+%286%29.jpg&dispsize=600&start=0&sl=transformers-toy-fair-2012-transformers-fall

Oh hey guys...

Are those, um, LARGE hands on the back of Swindle and Brawl? Or am I seeing things?

[Paulbot]

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=view&album=17165&pic=transformers-generations-fall-of-cybertron-bruticus+%286%29.jpg&dispsize=600&start=0&sl=transformers-toy-fair-2012-transformers-fall

Oh hey guys...

Are those, um, LARGE hands on the back of Swindle and Brawl? Or am I seeing things?

Yep they are hands, because:

The four remaining characters will have the traditional robot and vehicle forms, with the added ability to transform into any of Bruticus' limbs, all without relying on extraneous toy bits (foot plates, fists).

From the interview discussed here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=12957).

[Meangreen]

Yep they are hands, because:


From the interview discussed here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=12957).

Oh excellent. I was wondering what was going on there. I hadn't heard much comment on them that being the case. I wonder what made them make that decision.

[Paulbot]

G1 / Scramble City homage I'd guess. Who knows, people might like Bruticus more when Swindle and Brawl are in arm mode.

[SkyWarp91]

SHOCKWAVE LOOKS SO DAMN FRIGGIN' AWESOME.

NOW I NEED TO GO CHANGE PANTS.

[Meangreen]

G1 / Scramble City homage I'd guess. Who knows, people might like Bruticus more when Swindle and Brawl are in arm mode.
Hmm, or you could go mad and just use one figure x4 for all the limbs. That really does open up some possibilities...

[griffin]

It could also be a feature of the game, to choose the placement of limbs... or when you are fighting him, he swaps around limbs if requiring different weapons (like Brawl's cannon or Vortex's blades).

[kup]

It could also be a feature of the game, to choose the placement of limbs... or when you are fighting him, he swaps around limbs if requiring different weapons (like Brawl's cannon or Vortex's blades).

If that's the case then it will be the first fictional portrayal since Scramble City that they have actually used that toy feature.

[Tallestblue]

Those FOC colour schemes for the combaticons look very um...G2...

[Hursticon]

If that's the case then it will be the first fictional portrayal since Scramble City that they have actually used that toy feature.

Which I think is awesome and a very wise move even if it does unfortunately compromise each 'Limb' figure that little bit more. ;)
Basically, for me today upon seeing the Generations news... Blown away! :D

Shockwave looks absolutely amazing and I am very happy to see that they've been able to make his 'Giant floating Space Cannon!' Alt mode both modern and relevant as the whole idea of a floating handgun just wont work with kids of today IMO. :cool:
Prime and Jazz are sort of superfluous to me, they're both good but will indeed come to contemplation but Bruticus will be bought on sight; possibly 2 as my Younger Brother really likes the looks of the individual figures! :D

The best thing is to come out of today though?; The acknowledgement and admission from Hasbro that they have really missed some opportunities and are looking to rectify that with 40 odd new Generations figures. :eek::cool:
What we've seen being only the tip of the ice-berg?, I am certain, certain that we are going to see more Combiners and I have a good feeling that one of whom is going to be Predaking... In Voyager class. ;):)

The interview here with Lenny Panzica (http://kotaku.com/5884233/bruticus-leads-transformers-fall-of-cybertrons-toy-store-invasion); that 5FDP has pointed out, I reckon really points to this and the only way we can possibly convince Hasbro to do it is via our Wallets!

So buy FoC: Bruticus and support the Gestalt/Combiner research fund! :D

[Hursticon]

Those FOC colour schemes for the combaticons look very um...G2...

They're only prototype colours dude, worry not. ;):)
(They're totally G2 though huh? :p)

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

They're only prototype colours dude, worry not. ;):)
(They're totally G2 though huh? :p)

Await the TFCC exclusive colouring!:D


;)

[SharkyMcShark]

Any money says half or more of the 40 new Generations toys are at sizepoints no one really cares about, like Legends or Cyberverse or whatever they're called now

[liegeprime]

Await the TFCC exclusive colouring!:D


;)

Then be prepared to bleed through the nose to buy it.....:p

[5FDP]

Any money says half or more of the 40 new Generations toys are at sizepoints no one really cares about, like Legends or Cyberverse or whatever they're called now

While I think you may be right on this point, don't underestimate the popularity of the Legends sized toys.

I remember reading not too long ago that that size class is Hasbro's most popular line no matter the series.

We (as collectors) get a bit picky due to the lack of articulation when compared to a deluxe or voyager however for a child, they're perfect for playing with as they take no time at all to transform.

[Sky Shadow]

Any money says half or more of the 40 new Generations toys are at sizepoints no one really cares about, like Legends or Cyberverse or whatever they're called now

Wouldn't anybody with common sense take you up on that bet, since Generations toys are, by definition, Deluxe-sized.

[kup]

Wouldn't anybody with common sense take you up on that bet, since Generations toys are, by definition, Deluxe-sized.

With Hasbro you never know. It's not unheard of for them to say one thing and then do another.

Sometimes this works in our favor as we are finally getting proper combiners after they said they would not make them.

[kup]

Bruticus horrible colors confirmed:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/official-fall-of-cybertron-bruticus-image/23988/

Why did they go with this?

[k.wong23]

Colours for vortex/brawl definitely not very good choices IMO, but that pic of the transformation does make him look much better!

[SkyWarp91]

Bruticus horrible colors confirmed:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/official-fall-of-cybertron-bruticus-image/23988/

Why did they go with this?

Bruticus as a whole isn't horrible in colors, it's just his green. The green is way too-bright, needs to be a bit darker and it'd look a WHOLE lot better.

[Sutton]

Wow. It's amazing how Bruticus has gone from:

YESSS!!!!

to

YEP!

to

ALRIGHT...

to

MAYBE...?

to

WAIT, WHAT THE F*** IS THAT S**T?

All in the space of a couple of weeks. The colouring doesn't completely ruin it for me, but the MASSIVE emptiness from behind sure does. I don't know...I might still pick them up, but only if I can get them cheap from somewhere.

The hints of 40+ generations figs plus a possible Voyager Predaking are exciting, however.

[Sutton]

Other little things I like are the design for Prime's Ironhide. It's a great mix of G1 and Movie, and hopefully a deluxe toy does it justice enough that it may even possibly replace the crappy Classics Ironhide we have at the moment (one can only hope...).

[kup]

Wow. It's amazing how Bruticus has gone from:

YESSS!!!!

to

YEP!

to

ALRIGHT...

to

MAYBE...?

to

WAIT, WHAT THE F*** IS THAT S**T?

All in the space of a couple of weeks. The colouring doesn't completely ruin it for me, but the MASSIVE emptiness from behind sure does. I don't know...I might still pick them up, but only if I can get them cheap from somewhere.

The hints of 40+ generations figs plus a possible Voyager Predaking are exciting, however.

It just shows that you can't rely on Hasbro for the proper combiner experience. Everything is not lost though, a Japanese release with better colors may bring a huge improvement and I am positive that a 3rd party will come out with a kick ass upgrade kit. Wouldn't surprise me if they replace Onslaught with a Voyager class figure to fix the proportions and add lots of accessories to cement the game character model look.

Like it's often the case, Hasbro's failing is the 3rd parties gain.

[Sutton]

It just shows that you can't rely on Hasbro for the proper combiner experience. Everything is not lost though, a Japanese release with better colors may bring a huge improvement and I am positive that a 3rd party will come out with a kick ass upgrade kit. Wouldn't surprise me if they replace Onslaught with a Voyager class figure to fix the proportions and add lots of accessories to cement the game character model look.

Like it's often the case, Hasbro's failing is the 3rd parties gain.

Tis a shame. To be fair, from a kid's point of view, this is still a massive improvement over Supreme Devastator and the PCC line. And while it may have been better to do Onslaught as a Voyager, how would he be sold? You couldn't have one Voyager in a wave by itself, so they'd have to do others. Maybe Grimlock could work as a Voyager but it's a tough proposition. The obvious way to do it was to do it as a giftset and not as separate toys, but anyway.

[kup]

Tis a shame. To be fair, from a kid's point of view, this is still a massive improvement over Supreme Devastator and the PCC line. And while it may have been better to do Onslaught as a Voyager, how would he be sold? You couldn't have one Voyager in a wave by itself, so they'd have to do others. Maybe Grimlock could work as a Voyager but it's a tough proposition. The obvious way to do it was to do it as a giftset and not as separate toys, but anyway.

Yeah it is an improvement from Hasbro's recent history but it is hardly an achievement. Hasbro has done combiners much better in the past and the technology and toy design advancement clearly exists. Hasbro just decided to ignore it for some reason use PCCs as their design platform.

[Doubledealer]

The colours don't bother me half as much as his odd proportions do. I get the impression that all of the individual Combaticons were designed first and foremost and Bruticus was a complete afterthought. "How can we slap it together without using rubber bands?" was probably that days meeting agenda. Onslaught's arms sticking out like little reverse T-Rex hands are laughable. Swindle...Is he even transformed in the slightest? Just looks like he's been blu-tac'd on while in alt mode.

[Lord_Zed]

Oh boy, not a fan of those colours at all.

And along with the cancellation of DOTM Soundwave I'm not in a mindset of trusting Hasbro's 40 Generations toys announcement at the moment.

[Tallestblue]

And I will NEVER have the G2 rap commercial out of my head. Still buying it

[Quickstrike]

His colours look more like Energon Bruticus than G2 Bruticus. Strange that they'd change the colours THAT much though.

[Gutsman Heavy]

Damn strange colour choice.

Anyone else expecting an upgrade for FoC Shockwave? One that makes him into a space gun and voyager height ala battle tanker for RtS Prime?

[gdmetro]

Damn strange colour choice.

Anyone else expecting an upgrade for FoC Shockwave? One that makes him into a space gun and voyager height ala battle tanker for RtS Prime?

That's what I was thinking! :D

[Lord_Zed]

Expecting? No, but I'd probably buy it if it came with a smaller gun hand and bigger feet.

[5FDP]

I'm going against the grain here and saying I love the choice of colours.

Yeah, I know... I'm sick :p

[Hursticon]

I'm going against the grain here and saying I love the choice of colours.

Yeah, I know... I'm sick :p

Then I am afflicted too. :D

Considering an on-floor Hasbro Rep at the Toy Fair said that these colours are not final; I'm not going to take a Facebook post as gospel until I see the lot of 'em 1st hand, in package & on shelves - To me, that pic is purely to take heat away from the aborted effort of the previous one utilised in the Game Informer Magazine (the funny thing is it's still mis-transformed) . :cool:

At the end of the day though, I'm sure Takara will want to do their own colour scheme leaning much more towards G1 but as of late that might be a debatable prospect too. :o

[AJ_Prime]

Still not sure about Bruticus but will def pick up that Jazz and the Shockwave to expand the WFC/FOC themed part of the collection.

[orionpax1]

Hopefully Hasbro has just jumped the gun (a bit too excited me thinks) to show off these figures (im looking at you Bruticus) and are just showing the prototypes (which by the way are 99% correct according to Hasbro) in the wrong colours and mistransformed. Either that they are doing it on purpose to get everyone talking about them.

[kup]

Hopefully Hasbro has just jumped the gun (a bit too excited me thinks) to show off these figures (im looking at you Bruticus) and are just showing the prototypes (which by the way are 99% correct according to Hasbro) in the wrong colours and mistransformed. Either that they are doing it on purpose to get everyone talking about them.

It's already been confirmed, those are the final colors.

From 'Take that 3rd parties!' it went to 'meh'.

I guess that was to be expected. The higher expectations we had were unrealistic like expecting TF4 to be any different to the last two movies.

[crankcase76]

if the game(pc or ps3) is as good as the figures( i hope :) ) these will be acquired for my little shelf space i have left.......hehehe:D.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

It's already been confirmed, those are the final colors.

From 'Take that 3rd parties!' it went to 'meh'.

I guess that was to be expected. The higher expectations we had were unrealistic like expecting TF4 to be any different to the last two movies.Looks like Takara it is then. I don't mind Vortex but purple Blast Off just isn't doing it for me.

[1orion2many]

:confused:By the looks of all this ( well most of it) Hasbro might as well completely stop the transformer line as it doesn't seem to be keeping anyone happy :rolleyes:. Let's just leave it all to the third parties who have used Hasbro/Tak ideas, Pay triple for a figure and be very happy.

[valkyrie_76]

:confused:By the looks of all this ( well most of it) Hasbro might as well completely stop the transformer line as it doesn't seem to be keeping anyone happy :rolleyes:. Let's just leave it all to the third parties who have used Hasbro/Tak ideas, Pay triple for a figure and be very happy.

Why hello there Mr Grumpy, are you missing me :D:D

Well for me, Ill be getting Bruticus and I dont mind the colouring at all and Shockwave.......oh yeah baby.

[kup]

:confused:By the looks of all this ( well most of it) Hasbro might as well completely stop the transformer line as it doesn't seem to be keeping anyone happy :rolleyes:. Let's just leave it all to the third parties who have used Hasbro/Tak ideas, Pay triple for a figure and be very happy.

http://shadowstitch.com/images/temp/serious_UM.jpg

Most of us that are disappointed by Hasbro's effort have still stated that they will buy the toy. As of now, the biggest disappointment is to do with Hasbro's colors which are unnecessarily awful no matter which way you look at it so some of us are in 'wait and see' mode until a Japanese release is announced which will hopefully have a better color scheme.

Not our fault nor the 3rd parties that Hasbro messed it up. In irony of what you said, I am sure that the 3rd parties will come up with a way to fix all the failings as they did with the Crossfire sets which will cause a lot of demand on this Bruticus benefiting both Hasbro and the fans.

[theheretic]

if the game(pc or ps3) is as good as the figures( i hope :) ) these will be acquired for my little shelf space i have left.......hehehe:D.

Sorry to disappoint but I'm fairly positive I heard its not coming out of PC

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

:confused:By the looks of all this ( well most of it) Hasbro might as well completely stop the transformer line as it doesn't seem to be keeping anyone happy :rolleyes:. Let's just leave it all to the third parties who have used Hasbro/Tak ideas, Pay triple for a figure and be very happy.

Sarcasm detected. Initate laugh protocols.

[1orion2many]

Hoo Bloody Ray:p:D and I like Gaudy colours. I just find it funny that we complain about the U.S fans complaining but seem to do a lot of complaining ourselves:rolleyes: I'll save my complaints for when these hit the shelf and we are still being asked to pay exorbidant prices compared to other countries. There has been enough time for the high Australian dollar to affect the prices we pay, It certainly seems to have affected the electronics sector in general.

[kaiden]

Hoo Bloody Ray:p:D and I like Gaudy colours. I just find it funny that we complain about the U.S fans complaining but seem to do a lot of complaining ourselves:rolleyes: I'll save my complaints for when these hit the shelf and we are still being asked to pay exorbidant prices compared to other countries. There has been enough time for the high Australian dollar to affect the prices we pay, It certainly seems to have affected the electronics sector in general.

that's because they get all the benefits while we pay more than double their rrp.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

New pics up (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/additional-official-images-of-fall-of-cybertron-deluxes/24068/).

[Sharky]

New pics up (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/additional-official-images-of-fall-of-cybertron-deluxes/24068/).

do you think we will get repaints down the line?

G1 Colour
G2 Colour
RID Colour
Dessert Cam Colour
Artic Cam Colour???


could be alot of combaticons coming......

[theheretic]

As a whole I'm not liking Bruticus that much at them moment (that may change when I own him) but I'm loving the individual 'bots and I really like the new colours. Especially that they got rid of that gold on blast off, he's got more of a shockwave feel about him now :-)

[Hursticon]

New Colours, Old colours - I don't really care either way as we're never going to get exactly what we want, so regardless, I'll still be eagerly waiting for these to become available online as there is no way I'm paying circa $!50.00AU for all 5 of these at a local B'n'M. ;):cool:

[Lint]

The colours don't bother me half as much as his odd proportions do. I get the impression that all of the individual Combaticons were designed first and foremost and Bruticus was a complete afterthought. "How can we slap it together without using rubber bands?" was probably that days meeting agenda. Onslaught's arms sticking out like little reverse T-Rex hands are laughable. Swindle...Is he even transformed in the slightest? Just looks like he's been blu-tac'd on while in alt mode.

+1

Colours aside, first impressions of the design are poor

[Lord_Zed]

With each new picture of the Combaticons posted I like them less and less.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

do you think we will get repaints down the line?

G1 Colour
G2 Colour
RID Colour
Dessert Cam Colour
Artic Cam Colour???


could be alot of combaticons coming......I'd be up for G2 colour, I'm already tossing up how to G2-ise the current Gaudaticons if Takara doesn't G1-ise them first.

[morg176]

brawl looks like a yes! not sure about the others though

[VGMStudios]

the only one i dont like is swindle. Im mean look at him. What the heck happened?
Bruticus still looks like he suffers from the chicken sendrom but Ive seen a video from collection DX at toy fair and it doesnt look that bad in video as it does in picture format.

VGM out...

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

I'd be inclined to think that whoever did the 'metallic' effetc while photoshopping accidentally whacked up the colours while they were there. These guys just get brighter and brighter with each shot!!

Man I'd love to see them with some dirty paint work and a bit of drybrushing!

[Sutton]

Man I'd love to see them with some dirty paint work and a bit of drybrushing!

You can just apply that statement to the entire WFC / FOC line, methinks...

[Quickstrike]

the only one i dont like is swindle. Im mean look at him. What the heck happened?
Bruticus still looks like he suffers from the chicken sendrom but Ive seen a video from collection DX at toy fair and it doesnt look that bad in video as it does in picture format.

VGM out...

Yeah, Swindle's my least favourite one. He looks like Alternators Swindle who I didn't like either.

[Paulbot]

From Seibertron's coverage of the Singapore convention (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/cybertron-con-2012-coverage-recap-of-hasbro-takara-tomy-brand-panel/24253/), comments that might please some folk:

Interestingly, during the Q&A session, one fan asked if they’d be releasing a more game accurate colored version of Bruticus. Jerry said that they’re actually still working on the final colors for the initial release-are aware of fan comments online.

[Hursticon]

From Seibertron's coverage of the Singapore convention (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/cybertron-con-2012-coverage-recap-of-hasbro-takara-tomy-brand-panel/24253/), comments that might please some folk:

Well, at least that confirms what Hasbro officials at NYCC were saying - Am still curious to see what results though. :cool:
Had to laugh though at the misguided... bloke, who asked if HasTak would ever consider collaborating with 3rd Party companies on the 'Ultimate Figure'; what did he think they were going to say? :p:D

[griffin]

They already released two different "official" colour version images... and they are still working on final colours. They've already pitched the new brighter colours to retailers, so may not be able to do much with their September release colours.

[Paulbot]

I don't think retailers would care too much if the colours were slightly (or more) different ("colors may vary"). They are sold on "group of five that each kid will want to complete = one purchase becomes five = $$$$$".

[Golden Phoenix]

They are sold on "group of five that each kid will want to complete = one purchase becomes five = $$$$$".

Makes me think of a South Park episode where Cartman is organising which kid will get him which Mega Man so he can merge them into Ultra Mega Man

[Hursticon]

Makes me think of a South Park episode where Cartman is organising which kid will get him which Mega Man so he can merge them into Ultra Mega Man

...And there's always one Relo who you're expecting to get you Yellow Mega Man, only for them to turn around and give you 'Ants in The Pants'. :p:D

[Bartrim]

...And there's always one Relo who you're expecting to get you Yellow Mega Man, only for them to turn around and give you 'Ants in The Pants'. :p:D

I remember that one. Major LOLs were had:D