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Sky Shadow
6th February 2012, 01:57 AM
I was just thinking about examples of accidental throwaway ideas in Transformers that later became important plot points. For example:

In 'The Icarus Theory' (a Marvel UK comic story) it was mentioned that Swoop's name on Cybertron had been Divebomb. It is most likely that this was because Furman knew this was the originally-intended name for the Swoop toy, not because he was aware that the Predacons would be released (albeit - like Swoop himself - not in the UK.) Then, ninety-issues-and-one-and-a-half-years later, Furman uses this throwaway line to fuel two Dinobot-Predacon stories - "Grudge Match!" and "What's In A Name".

Mainly I'm wondering about ideas that prodigiously became important later on, not ones that were planned. Any thoughts?

Cat
6th February 2012, 03:18 AM
Ratchet teaming up with Megatron early on in the Marvel run.

Works beautifully with what Furman did later.

GoktimusPrime
6th February 2012, 02:05 PM
How about the Matrix? Originally conceived in the comics as a way to introduce new toys^create new TF life and in the animation as a Cosmic MacGuffin to kill Unicron... then the whole back story/mythos was built around that... now it's a freakin' Multiversal Singularity! :eek:

UltraMarginal
6th February 2012, 03:39 PM
or sparks as introduced in Beast wars, that has become a pretty popular part of the canon now.

Hursticon
6th February 2012, 04:39 PM
or sparks as introduced in Beast wars, that has become a pretty popular part of the canon now.

Exactly what I was going to mention dude :D; whilst they were given very passing mentions with differing labels (Laser-Cores, etc.) they ended up becoming a staple fixture to the whole Transformers mythos. :cool:

GoktimusPrime
6th February 2012, 04:57 PM
Yeah, as a terminology "Spark" has definitely stuck as a lexical legacy from Beast Wars. ;)

What about the Autobot and Decepticon logos? The Autobot logo seemed to be based on Prowl/Bluestreak's head and the Decepticon logo based on Soundwave's head -- and of course all the 1984 TFs were carry-overs from Diaclone and Microman; but since then it's been canonically established that the Autobot logo is an image of the god Primus, and the Decepticon logo is an image of The Fallen! (which I guess means that either the makers of Prowl, Bluestreak and Soundwave designed their heads as homages to Primus and The Fallen, or it's all a series of coincidences ;)).

Unicron was introduced in TFTM as a giant robot that eats the other robots. Later became a Dark God/Chaos Bringer and universal singularity! Also, didn't the original cartoon writers play around with the idea of Cybertron being a massive Transformer, but then ditched it? Cos obviously this idea came to fruition is Transformers Galaxy Force/Cybertron. :)

Ode to a Grasshopper
6th February 2012, 08:14 PM
The BW throwaway line about Tarantulas being 'Unicrons spawn' seemed to take off a bit.

UltraMarginal
6th February 2012, 10:23 PM
beast wars also introduced the concept of Protoform . it was just a simple plot device back then.

Hursticon
6th February 2012, 10:32 PM
How about Alpha Trion going from some old 'know it all' who built/rebuilt Prime, to being one of the fabled 13 original Archetype Transformers? - Quite the promotion I should think. ;):)

griffin
12th February 2012, 01:05 AM
Speaking of which, Orion Pax was a single episode plot device in the Gen1 cartoon (not even in the comic), that is now the norm for pre-prime Optimus, and even had a toy made. Even after Dreamwave tried to create their own version, called Optronix.

Cat
12th February 2012, 01:47 AM
'Orion Pax' is just perfect, IMO.

'Peace Hunter', basically.

Nice contrast.

GoktimusPrime
12th February 2012, 09:31 AM
Sunstorm. Originally just a generic amber and white coloured Decepticon jet who featured for like a second in "More Than Meets The Eye Part 1" alongside equally generic looking blue and white and purple and white Jets (as can be seen here (http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d8/Sunstorm_Cartoon.jpg)) - blink and you'd miss him. Then in 2003 e-Hobby released the G1 Sunstorm toy - so suddenly this generic and forgettable generic Jet had a name and persona as written by Ichikawa Hirofumi. Since then he's appeared in the Dreamwave comics (http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/42/BlackSunshine-SunstormStarscream.jpg), Universe (http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/4d/Sunstormuniverse.jpg), Cybertron (http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d2/Cybertron-toy_LegendsSunstorm.JPG), and of course the sycophantic Animated Starscream clone (http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/1/1f/Animated_Sunstorm_and_sentinel_prime.jpg). ;)

And if TakaraTOMY ever made a Master (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5458732264_dc74662300.jpg)piece (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5177/5451629175_01620d3747_o.jpg) Sun (http://www.sector70.com/forum/download.axd?file=0;30747&where=msg)storm (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w231/autobotx23/Darkcave%20Customs/Masterpiece%20Sunstorm/Sunstorm9.jpg), I'm sure he'd sell like hot (http://www.seibertron.com/images/news/gfx/1229173424_Sunstorm.jpg) cakes (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1304/863072533_040d50df8c.jpg)!

Slag
12th February 2012, 11:06 AM
And if TakaraTOMY ever made a Master (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5458732264_dc74662300.jpg)piece (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5177/5451629175_01620d3747_o.jpg) Sun (http://www.sector70.com/forum/download.axd?file=0;30747&where=msg)storm (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w231/autobotx23/Darkcave%20Customs/Masterpiece%20Sunstorm/Sunstorm9.jpg), I'm sure he'd sell like hot (http://www.seibertron.com/images/news/gfx/1229173424_Sunstorm.jpg) cakes (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1304/863072533_040d50df8c.jpg)!

I'm surprised that haven't already. We've already had 4 versions of mp-01 and 4 versions of mp-03 not counting the hasbro releases. One more wouldn't hurt. At least it would be more of a variation than MP-03 ghost or whatever it was called.
If they did make one i'd buy it

Seraphim Prime
29th February 2012, 05:59 PM
Sunstorm. Originally just a generic amber and white coloured Decepticon jet who featured for like a second in "More Than Meets The Eye Part 1" alongside equally generic looking blue and white and purple and white Jets (as can be seen here (http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d8/Sunstorm_Cartoon.jpg)) - blink and you'd miss him. Then in 2003 e-Hobby released the G1 Sunstorm toy - so suddenly this generic and forgettable generic Jet had a name and persona as written by Ichikawa Hirofumi. Since then he's appeared in the Dreamwave comics (http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/42/BlackSunshine-SunstormStarscream.jpg), Universe (http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/4d/Sunstormuniverse.jpg), Cybertron (http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d2/Cybertron-toy_LegendsSunstorm.JPG), and of course the sycophantic Animated Starscream clone (http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/1/1f/Animated_Sunstorm_and_sentinel_prime.jpg). ;)

And if TakaraTOMY ever made a Master (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5458732264_dc74662300.jpg)piece (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5177/5451629175_01620d3747_o.jpg) Sun (http://www.sector70.com/forum/download.axd?file=0;30747&where=msg)storm (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w231/autobotx23/Darkcave%20Customs/Masterpiece%20Sunstorm/Sunstorm9.jpg), I'm sure he'd sell like hot (http://www.seibertron.com/images/news/gfx/1229173424_Sunstorm.jpg) cakes (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1304/863072533_040d50df8c.jpg)!


Pretty sure they announced a special S edition of MP-11 a few days ago, that would be a Sunstorm recolour. Can't find the article though.