2013: Generations

[Verno]

I was just reading this article (http://tformers.com/transformers-toy-fair-2012-transformers-generations/17183/news.html) on Tformers.com, and figure it's the best news for me to come from Hasbro and the Toy Fair.

Transformers: Filler... I mean, Generations continuing after 2012 is spent disappointing fans continuously... I mean bringing out Prime and FOC figures.

40 figures. It didn't specify if they were 40 new figures, or repaints of old ones. But there aren't 40 different Seekers or 40 different ways of repainting a Optimus mold (or is there?), so it should be safe to say there will be some new molds in there.

Come on 2013 and my Generations Rhinox!

[Tallestblue]

Oh and Generations Arcee and Blackarachnia for me please.

Which reminds me I have to get off my ass and write out that Spotlight Idea I had the leads into a Wreckers Story....

[Doubledealer]

I was just reading this article (http://tformers.com/transformers-toy-fair-2012-transformers-generations/17183/news.html) on Tformers.com, and figure it's the best news for me to come from Hasbro and the Toy Fair.

Transformers: Filler... I mean, Generations continuing after 2012 is spent disappointing fans continuously... I mean bringing out Prime and FOC figures.

40 figures. It didn't specify if they were 40 new figures, or repaints of old ones. But there aren't 40 different Seekers or 40 different ways of repainting a Optimus mold (or is there?), so it should be safe to say there will be some new molds in there.

Come on 2013 and my Generations Rhinox!

Haha, tell us what you really think Verno. ;)

What will you do if they release Rhinox as one of the 40 repaints of FoC Prime? :p

[Verno]

What will you do if they release Rhinox as one of the 40 repaints of FoC Prime? :p

Hahaha. "They" will be in a lot of trouble.

[SharkyMcShark]

As I've said elsewhere, a disappointing amount will be Legends size (I am aware that Generations was previously all deluxes but is anyone really expecting them to release 40 new deluxes in a side line?)

All I really want is a DotM Dino.

I'd like some of the designs from the first arc of Ongoing to make it into toy format (yes those first few issues that everyone whined about because OMG THEY LOOKS LIK TEH BAFORMRES) (even though they didn't really).

[Verno]

As I've said elsewhere, a disappointing amount will be Legends size (I am aware that Generations was previously all deluxes but is anyone really expecting them to release 40 new deluxes in a side line?)

You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but how big is a legend size? I'm assuming its smaller than deluxe.

What happened to basic, deluxe, mega and ultra? How did it get so confusing?

[SharkyMcShark]

Legends is the size below Basic (or Scout as they're known now) (well not now now seeing as the size class got binned off after RotF and hasn't returned).

There are two sizes of legends - really small ones that are basically a couple of mm taller than minicons and ones that are slightly larger and meant to replace Basic class toys but are only two thirds of the size.

Apparently they're big sellers which is why Hasbro is putting a lot of effort and money into them but I personally can't stand them - not enough bang for my buck.

[Verno]

They sound bloody awful.

What we have to hope then is that the second half of 2012 will be spent developing the figures, seeing as 2011 was spent developing TF:Prime and Fall of Cybertron stuff, to the detriment of the final DoTM wave(s) and to Prime itself it seems. Hasbro had/has a lot on its plate in 2011/12 and it seems its stomach was bigger than its mouth. No doubt they've got the cash to do it all, but the time simply ran out.

[Paulbot]

What happened to basic, deluxe, mega and ultra? How did it get so confusing?

From here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=267976) (but updated with the new TF:Prime classes):


Yeah, Hasbro has changed names of their size-classes a fair bit over the years, but I did have on the old and outdated checklist (http://www.otca.com.au/checklist.html), a compilation of the size-classes, for newer fans to know what they used to be called (if they ever came across an old size name and wanted to know what it is now called).

Hasbro Transformers packaging size/price scale, from smallest to largest according to US$:
- Micromaster / Minicon
- *Single Spychanger / Legends / Legion
- Double Spychanger / Deployer / Mini-Con 2-pack
- *Basic / Mini-Con 3-pack / Energon Class / Scout Class / Commander Class
- Real Gear / Slammers
- Microverse
- *Deluxe / Mini-Con 6-pack / Supercon / Combat Class / Revealer
- Beast Rider / FAB / TECH
- Armada Roleplay
- *Mega / Maxcon / Mega Combat / Voyager Class / Poweriser
- Alternators / Crossovers / Human Alliance
- *Ultra / Gigacon / Command Class
- *Super / Leader Class / Weaponiser
- Supreme / Ultimate / Combiner

The ones with the * are the main ones in use today.

Hope that helps make it clearer for you, or was what you were looking for.

To quote myself: I see Generations as becoming the new Universe 2.0 (Universe 3.0) with the consistent packaging for anything that’s not "TF Prime" (just like Universe 2.0 vs Animated). And like Universe 2.0 a subtitle will tell buyers that the figure is from "Generation 1" or "War for/Fall of Cybertron" or "Generation 2" or "Unicron Trilogy" or "Beast Wars" etc.

I'd easily imagine DOTM Soundwave, Que/Wheeljack, Leadfoot, Vortex amongst the 40. Maybe some of those Animated toys like Wasp or Vortex Blurr will finally get sold.

I agree it's very unlikely that all 40+ will be 1984-1986 classics despite what a lot of GeeWun fans are imagining when they read that news. (But for fun I did come up with my most wanted 41 should they be restricted to 'G1' last night. Was thinking it could be a thread topic later to share ideas).

[Verno]

I agree it's very unlikely that all 40+ will be 1984-1986 classics despite what a lot of GeeWun fans are imagining when they read that news. (But for fun I did come up with my most wanted 41 should they be restricted to 'G1' last night. Was thinking it could be a thread topic later to share ideas).

The speculation has already begun mate, so post away! We've got a year of guessing!

[Doubledealer]

Maybe some of those Animated toys like Wasp or Vortex Blurr will finally get sold.

*salivates uncontrollably* :p

[Paulbot]

The speculation has already begun mate, so post away! We've got a year of guessing!

Well if the 40+ new figures that are all new Generation One toys* then...

Trailbreaker, Hoist and Skids are all must haves. Brawn, Gears and Huffer would be best as scouts but I’d take a deluxe for a larger than legends size version. Cosmos and Beachcomber should also join their fellow 1985 minibots and upsize.

I’d like to see the remaining Dinobots: Slag, Swoop, Sludge, Snarl and the Predacons (Razorclaw, Tantrum, Divebomb, Headstrong, Rampage) combining or not.

Chromedome and Hardhead (in IDW style) are my most wanted Autobot Headmasters. A new Hot Rod (in IDW Earth mode style) would also be well received. Nightbeat, and a Minvera repaint, and Siren with a Goshooter repaint are the Headmasters Jrs I'd want most. Apeface and Skullcruncher, as triple changers would be great too.

And speaking of triple changers Springer and Blitzwing need new toys. Springer's had a third party toy, but so have the Insecticons, the Constructicons (combining or not) and I'd like to see those Decepticons get official toys.

I don't desire all the Scramble City limbs but I'd round out my wish list with a new Groove, Air Raid, Dead End, and Cutthroat.

* but I doubt they will

[Verno]

Sounds fair to me, and there are a couple of definite starters in there for sure.

I, too, don't believe it will be all G1. It is called Generations after all.

And when it comes to fears about the size of these toys en masse, you have to look at 2013 for Hasbro and Transformers on the whole.

The 4th movie is a full year away, and apart from TF:Prime perhaps being in a 3rd season, there won't be much else going on. So I really doubt Hasbro would leave the filler line with only legends sized toys to keep the passion burning. They've got to give the fans something to keep them interested, and some glorified mini-cons won't do it.

[theheretic]

I'm not much of a Beast Wars fan BUT I wouldn't mind seeing a few deluxe sized toys from the Beasty Generations. And with the united line havin a couple in there I'm sure they will filter down through Hasbro too.

What I do love is WFC/FOC game AND toys although Bruticus itself is a bit off to me.

[Lord_Zed]

I'm not going to speculate yet, not sure about Hasbro's claim.

I can't help but worry that the 30 generations toys (-the 10 for the new game) will be 30 years of Optimus and Bumblebee with a different Prime or Bumblebee for every year Transformers have been around.:p

[Verno]

Prime and Bumblebee through the ages you think. A Waspinator repaint is an obvious one :p

As much as we may laugh at the idea, there is genuine fear that Hasbro's love affair with Prime and BB will continue into every facet of their operations.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

They sound bloody awful.

What we have to hope then is that the second half of 2012 will be spent developing the figures, seeing as 2011 was spent developing TF:Prime and Fall of Cybertron stuff, to the detriment of the final DoTM wave(s) and to Prime itself it seems. Hasbro had/has a lot on its plate in 2011/12 and it seems its stomach was bigger than its mouth. No doubt they've got the cash to do it all, but the time simply ran out.Some of them aren't too bad, hey. Most are so-so.

Personally, I'm sorta looking forward to some of the Prime and WFC stuff. But I'd love a decent Rhinox too - Voyager/whatever-it-is-now class please.

[Hursticon]

We've gotta get some Beast wars figures out of this :eek:, Voyagers would be a dream but are not something I'll be putting money on... besides that of the G1 Predacons :D; I'd really like to see however:

Rattrap
Rhinox
Blackarachnia
Tarantulas
Waspinator
Silverbolt


I'd also really, really like to see some properly done Classicsverse updates of BW Primal and Megatron but we'd be more likely to get those horrid Cybertron molds issued with new paint jobs though. :(
G1-wise I just want to see more Gestalt developments, that's the easiest way to appease fans and fill out numbers IMO. ;):cool:

[Verno]

Couldn't agree more Hursty. Besides the Re-issue, the Predacons are long overdue for a relooking at.

[Bartrim]

I want a classics style Longtooth!:D

[Gutsman Heavy]

I want Beast Wars Erector

[Hursticon]

Couldn't agree more Hursty. Besides the Re-issue, the Predacons are long overdue for a relooking at.

They're an awesome bunch aren't they?, man it'd be cool to have them updated to a Voyager Class & following the Classicsverse tradition; a much more Beast favoured Alt mode than Techno-Beast! :D


I want a classics style Longtooth!:D

I could get behind that, he suits multiple tastes IMO. :cool:


I want Beast Wars Erector

Oh man, that has to see some form of a release at some point; be it Botcon or E-Hobby exclusive or regular release. :p

[Sky Shadow]

I want Beast Wars Erector

This reminds me - does anyone know if the content from Erector's hall of fame 'documentary' is available anywhere online?

[Hursticon]

This reminds me - does anyone know if the content from Erector's hall of fame 'documentary' is available anywhere online?

I've not seen it, nor any of the others really, anywhere at all - An absolute shame IMO. :(

[kup]

Couldn't agree more Hursty. Besides the Re-issue, the Predacons are long overdue for a relooking at.

The only thing that I ask is for a Voyager Rhinox. I know that just by wanting him to be a voyager I am just dreaming but it would be awesome if they did.

The Optimal size would probably be Ultra so that he can be taller than Beast Wars Optimus Primal like in the cartoon but that is asking the impossible.

[Sky Shadow]

I've not seen it, nor any of the others really, anywhere at all - An absolute shame IMO. :(

The rest are here, Hursti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bUN6fb_mos They left out Erector's, which was a mockumentary that showed him in his Beast Wars beaver incarnation, G2 colours, Animated and Prime versions. And unless someone surreptitiously filmed it, it may never be seen again. :(

[Paulbot]

And unless someone surreptitiously filmed it, it may never be seen again. :(

I'm trying to recall if we were allowed cameras/mobiles in the hall and I can't remember for sure but I think we were. I don't recall a check in like with the ROTF preview in 2009. And if there were cameras, someone would have filmed it. There were security guys but I don't think they were paid to care until the DOTM footage started.

[Hursticon]

The rest are here, Hursti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bUN6fb_mos They left out Erector's, which was a mockumentary that showed him in his Beast Wars beaver incarnation, G2 colours, Animated and Prime versions. And unless someone surreptitiously filmed it, it may never be seen again. :(

Ah, cheers man; Having just watched the vid, I'm sure I have actually seen these come to think about it but the music seems a little off though... Maybe I'm just mis-remembering? :confused:
Still, this only furthers the reason why somewhere in the next batch of Generations figures there needs to be some Beast Wars love! :D:cool:

[griffin]

We weren't, and they had people looking out for cameras... because of the DotM Preview.
I'm kinda surprised that someone still didn't sneak a recording and have it leaked by now... but yeah, it's a pity Hasbro never released it. (maybe they feared it would just generate more rants from Fans to create Erector toys)