Ozmasters, The MOTU General Discussion Thread.

[kup]

You may not feel that way once you see who wrote it. :p

I quite liked the art, Panthor's presence and the last two pages, but again there's a distinct lack of Masters imagery or easter eggs for a franchise with such a visually rich history. The writing almost reaches the heights of mediocrity, and it's hilarious that DC got Mike Costa to write a MOTU comic - if he thought Transformers were "not looked upon favourably... in the comic book community," and that we are all "unpleasant", "arrogant" and "hostile" and don't know what we want... MOTU is probably not a good stop on his tour of toy franchises to write fifth-rate stories for.

I would have imagined that Costa would be more 'mentally' suitable to write MOTU because the characters are actually 'people', not machines. From Costa's 'Goodbye' interview, he apparently couldn't get around the notion of 'Machines as characters' and couldn't relate to the Franchise.

[fatbot]

just got this email, should we believe any of this?


Please Read: A special message about your MattyCollector.com experience from Digital River.

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[kup]

just got this email, should we believe any of this?

Although this is the first time ever that DR has directly acknowledged that there are issues, it is unfortunately the same tired promises we have repeatedly heard from Scott over the years.

It would be good if it is true but given the overall history with the line, I highly doubt it. Right now they are in 'elections' mode in which they will promise the world in order to get people to buy more subs ('votes') but once they get in, they'll forget all about their promises.

[Dodgeybros]

Right now they are in 'elections' mode in which they will promise the world in order to get people to buy more subs ('votes') but once they get in, they'll forget all about their promises.
I think you've summed it up perfectly with this one.
Even though I've renewed my subby, I can't afford the DHL logistics shipping price (would bring it to nearly $60 per figure, that's if our dollar holds) so I'm gonna have to tempt wait the extra month for the figure to arrive as per usual.
It is a bit of a bird flip to the international buyers to do this, but business is business, and Toyguru got his Spector..... (this figure still pisses me off).
On the bright side, I picked up an extra mosquitor and a hurrican hordak the other day (vintage) so because of that, I am enjoying positive humour today Doug.

[Tallestblue]

I got my Tax return. And bought myself a subscription. This should be interesting.

*EDIT* looks like I just made it, too.

[Sky Shadow]

In today's story, Toyguru and Mattel wanted money - lots of money. At first they thought the way to get that money was just to lie back and do nothing, but then they learned the value of something? Do you know what it was? If you said fear mongering, then you'd be right. By pressuring us fans into believing that the Masters Classics line would not continue unless we gave them lots of money up front, Toyguru learned the value of pressure and extortion - something he's now sure to continue for years to come. So if you want money, don't just sit back and do nothing - always scare people into giving it to you. Until next time!

...

Let's see how long that post lasts: http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228819-In-today-s-story-What-did-you-learn-from-MOTUC-subscription-drive-2013&p=3096284&viewfull=1#post3096284

[Robzy]

You mean MOTUC actually survived and didn't die?? :eek: I am soooo SHOCKED!! :rolleyes: So amazing how it was saved at the very last minute... almost as if it were... never in danger :cool:

[kup]

I feel happy that MOTUC will go on for another year but at the same time, I am disappointed. During this whole Sub sales period, Mattel has used dodgy coercion and fear tactics to get fans to subscribe along with the same old tired and unfulfilled promises which fans have once again given in to.

Mattel will do nothing to fix the line's problems and I am sure that the same QC and Customer Service issues will continue onto 2013 despite the cost increases. We will also be getting the same :hmconf::hmroll: Scott chosen/made up characters. Mattel/Scott will not learn from this because they now know that if they do enough fear mongering, they will get people's money without having to actually fix the issues affecting the line.

[Robzy]

I feel happy that MOTUC will go on for another year but at the same time, I am disappointed. During this whole Sub sales period, Mattel has used dodgy coercion and fear tactics to get fans to subscribe along with the same old tired and unfulfilled promises which fans have once again given in to.

Mattel will do nothing to fix the line's problems and I am sure that the same QC and Customer Service issues will continue onto 2013 despite the cost increases. We will also be getting the same :hmconf::hmroll: Scott chosen/made up characters. Mattel/Scott will not learn from this because they now know that if they do enough fear mongering, they will get people's money without having to actually fix the issues affecting the line.

Especially when you've got the following types of comments from some Subscribers:


Yeah it was probably rigged but who cares. We are getting our figures.


The only thing that it justifies is that despite all the complaining we are still getting our figures. Mattel could come out tomorrow and say we lied and guess what? NO ONE CARES because we are getting our figures.

Scary stuff!

[kup]

Especially when you've got the following types of comments from some Subscribers:





Scary stuff!

Now I understand why a politician can come out and lie repeatedly and still be voted a second term.

[kup]

I made a narky comment saying:


Due at the Org: well first of all, thanks for bring such happy thoughts to a happy topic lol

but Im sorry those of us that loves this line still win, we are getting more MOTUC figures, No body put a gun to peoples heads and made them buy subs.

Me: No but I am sure if they could, they would have.

I wonder if Scott has ever shot a moose?

They are saying stuff like 'wow dude, that is inappropriate'. I am sure this will get me banned but I don't see how it is "inappropriate" from some taboo perspective as they are implying although it is sarcastic and cynical.

The gun bit is a response to what the guy said about Mattel not pointing a gun at us to buy a sub and the shooting the Moose bit is a reference to the 2008 US elections in which the Republican party focused on fear Tactics and personalities to sway voters (Sarah Palin).

I don't really care if I get banned, I had it with the Org. The general mentality there is disturbing.

[Robzy]

:D lol, you crack me up!

You could probably explain yourself, but in the end - why bother? They're not listening. Can't find your post, so it's probably been deleted anyway.

The Sub/Mattel-Cronies are back attacking all us "Cherry Pickers"... now thumbing their noses up at us that we won't get the figures. Wow, and they call us "petty"? :rolleyes: Nice bunch of people! Can't wait for the inevitable first screw up Scott/Matty/DR does... you just know it's coming ;) As for not getting figures on DOS... we shall see. I guarantee I will have Ram Man in my hands without going to ebay!

[kup]

The post is indeed deleted. I doubt they would try social reconditioning with me again and probably have me banned into exile permanently.

[kup]

I feel happy that MOTUC will go on for another year but at the same time, I am disappointed. During this whole Sub sales period, Mattel has used dodgy coercion and fear tactics to get fans to subscribe along with the same old tired and unfulfilled promises which fans have once again given in to.

Mattel will do nothing to fix the line's problems and I am sure that the same QC and Customer Service issues will continue onto 2013 despite the cost increases. We will also be getting the same :hmconf::hmroll: Scott chosen/made up characters. Mattel/Scott will not learn from this because they now know that if they do enough fear mongering, they will get people's money without having to actually fix the issues affecting the line.

I made a similar post at the Org and it got deleted! I don't see anything offensive about it, it was just me stating my opinion on the situation :rolleyes:

[Sky Shadow]

Thanks for the support at the .org, guys. :) I have sincere doubts that they truly went from 92% to 135% in one day. Did you see the ecstatic video of Toyguru in a party hat? I suspect that dirty tactics meant that guy just made his Christmas bonus.

[Robzy]

You know it's funny... today I've received over half a dozen txts, emails or FB msgs all saying the same thing: that this whole debacle was rigged. Now, some of these people are hard core MOTU fans, some aren't. But not ONE of them genuinely believes Scott or Mattel's "story" that they miraculously got there at the Eleventh Hour (even more so when it comes to the DC Sub... that thermometer crept up very suddenly and very rapidly!) The only two places where I can find people who believe Scott, and feel they've saved the line, is the Org and Pixel-Dan's site. I'm not even saying it to be mean, I can honestly tell you I can't find another group of people who are saying they actually believe this story.

Now, I'd love to see another forum or site that contradicts my findings. But EVERY major Toy site/forum on the net, and all the people I know (and some I don't know very well) on FB, etc... are calling BS on this one! And many of us here called it early too.

It's played out exactly as we expected: Scott has come off as a hero, the fans feel they are responsible for the line continuing, those pesky shadowy figures in Management have been silenced for another year, the self-congratulatory speeches are being made, and 2013 is continuing... all as expected! On the flip side, a generic promise of better customer service from the "Digital River Service Team" (not a specific individual), the announcement of "Big Surprises" by Scott, and the "relief" that the line is continuing, have all smoothed over the real issues that Scott/Matty won't acknowledge with actions, just mere promises.

Good luck to those of you who bought a Sub. I totally support your right to do so, as I would hope Subbers support my right to buy stuff on DOS (although that may not happen). And even though I'm not either one myself, I really do hope that PoP and Filmation fans get the figures they deserve. For me, I'm really only after Rammy and Snake Men from here on in!

That's right Scott... No Lashor, we bash ya!

[Tallestblue]

Yeah, I fully expect my decision to Sub to come back and bite me on the ass, but it's something I plan to keep on top of. But i will be damned if I'm paying fifty+ bucks for Jitsu, dammit!

[kup]

This thread/poll is certainly interesting:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228857-Do-you-trust-Toyguru-Mattel

[Sky Shadow]

This thread/poll is certainly interesting:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228857-Do-you-trust-Toyguru-Mattel

My response: (http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228857-Do-you-trust-Toyguru-Mattel&p=3098171&viewfull=1#post3098171)

"If by 'trust' you're talking about honestly, then of course not - they're a corporation that can make money from dishonesty, fronted by a shyster. If you mean do I trust them with - say - my credit card details then, yes, clearly I do."

[Sky Shadow]

So he's gone from claiming that we should have all vintage MOTU plus core FILMation, POP and NA by the end of 2014 (which would need to comprise at least 40 new toys from the unannounced half of the 2013 subscription plus 2014) to "Whether we can do 12 figures or just 6 remains to be seen."

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228925-2014-looking-to-be-quite-small-according-to-Toyguru-s-posts

[kup]

So he's gone from claiming that we should have all vintage MOTU plus core FILMation, POP and NA by the end of 2014 (which would need to comprise at least 40 new toys from the unannounced half of the 2013 subscription plus 2014) to "Whether we can do 12 figures or just 6 remains to be seen."

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228925-2014-looking-to-be-quite-small-according-to-Toyguru-s-posts

People are now following blindly, it doesn't matter if he comes out and says that all core characters will be done by 2014 with 3 figures per year.

[kup]

Looks like the poll thread was too 'politically incorrect' and was closed:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228857-Do-you-trust-Toyguru-Mattel/page2

[Robzy]

So he's gone from claiming that we should have all vintage MOTU plus core FILMation, POP and NA by the end of 2014 (which would need to comprise at least 40 new toys from the unannounced half of the 2013 subscription plus 2014) to "Whether we can do 12 figures or just 6 remains to be seen."

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228925-2014-looking-to-be-quite-small-according-to-Toyguru-s-posts
So, he's back tracking already?

Let me get this straight... Scott/Matty didn't change a typo which meant some Subbers didn't get to vote on the fan figure (because they thought they had more time), and now he's changing the terms of the 2014 Sub promise (which is why some people bought in to 2013). It's been ONE day since the sale ended... ONE day and TWO screw ups. Seems legit :rolleyes:


Yeah, I fully expect my decision to Sub to come back and bite me on the ass, but it's something I plan to keep on top of. But i will be damned if I'm paying fifty+ bucks for Jitsu, dammit!
You'll be right :) I still think there will be DOS figures, but either way, at least you're sorted now!


Looks like the poll thread was too 'politically incorrect' and was closed:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228857-Do-you-trust-Toyguru-Mattel/page2
I voted 'no' too. I loved how some people were complaining it was a public vote... why do we need to sneak around? I'm proud to say I don't trust him. The number of 'No' votes might have been higher if people were anonymous and not scared to tell the truth. I can't believe they pulled the thread :rolleyes: that place is unbelievable. Anything negative lasts an hour, but we have countless threads dripping with self-congratulatory sentiments and that's cool. At least the 'No' votes won :D

[Tallestblue]

2014 won't include the remainder of the vintage toys as promised? You mean to say that Toyguru lied to us to get our money? I am shocked and appalled.

T_T

[Robzy]

Scott's answers are great...


I guess I don't get crddit for making Photog and Keldor's swords happen?
There he goes again! The fans have just saved his @ss (and his job, probably) and this is one of his first responses. :rolleyes:

And how about this dismissive answer to a legitimate question...



It looks like you've announced the winner but I still have the pdf of the vote information and double checked... According to it, people have until 11:59 tonight to vote.

Is there some reason the poll was closed early?

Congratulations! You purchased a Club Eternia® subscription and now you get one vote for our 2013 Fan’s Choice figure! Here's how it works:
Click the link below to access the voting page.
Enter the Club Eternia Voting Code in the Order Information section of your confirmation email to begin.
Read each figure’s description and campaign slogan to find out more about them.
Vote for the figure you think we should make.
Poll opens 7/13 at 1 p.m. PT and closes 8/8 at 11:59 p.m. PT (don’t wait to vote because once the poll closes, there won’t be another chance).
Check back to find out which one will be released as a monthly subscription figure in fall 2013!
Click here to cast your vote.



The winner is Geldor.
Talk about not answering the question. And now even acknowledging they SCREWED up! :mad: Man, if I was a Subber who bought on the last day I would be so angry! What a sh!tty response that is!

It took another post to get him to actually answer the question...



It was supposed to close on the 6th. Noting the closing on the 8th was a mistake I missed when proofing the copy. It was always supposed to close when sales closed. I made a mistake.

There's proof for all those Org Scott devotees... he does have "The Power" :rolleyes: And then, his response to a customer saying it's disrespectful and probably illegal...


Yeah, I hear you, and there are arguments on both sides. but at this point since we already announced Geldor we are going forward with him as the winner.
Translation: "Yeah I hear you... I'm just not listening! Pretty cool huh?" ;)

And now on to MORE vehicles in MOTUC (which, I'd just like to say - we're clearly not getting any more), Scott fumbles around his contradictory answers...



At this point, the best way to support more vehicles is to buy a Windraider.
Freezing...



Lets sell more Windraiders before we consider a second vehicle. So far we still have plenty of WR stock.
Cold...



Alas, a vehicle takes way more work and with WR sales being so low we just can't get the resources to do another, even as a presale.
Getting warm...



We would love to do another full vehicle but with 2013 sales just a smidge over the BARE MINIMUM and the Windraider sales where they are, it makes it a lot harder to go to management and ask for these type of resoruces.

We really needed the WR to perform better to justify more vehicles. We can only make toys if their is an audience to buy them.
Warmer...



WR sales so low it is jut not a resource we can get right now.
BINGO! The truth! ;)

Imagine how much time he would save himself (and us) if he just got straight to the point and told the truth at the start. There would be no broken promises or contradictions. Just - the answers! But he just can't seem to help himself; he's either a BS artist or he's too scared to tell people for fear of inciting the wrath of geeks.

Edit: I found this gem...



Dear Toy Guru, I have been trying to order subs for the motuc line for the last 48 hours (before it closed) but kept getting this error code when trying to add to cart . Error 2151021077 is an invalid value for m. I am based in the UK but I doubt this should make a difference. I have contacted customer service but with no reply. Please can you help as I like many others am committed to keeping this great line going.

Please help and I look forward to hearing from you.




Just call customer service and they can help you out
Bwahahahahaha :D:D Thanks for the helpful answer :cool:

[TheFallen]

Looks like the poll thread was too 'politically incorrect' and was closed:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228857-Do-you-trust-Toyguru-Mattel/page2

I thought it was an interesting subject for discussion


Hi everyone, it seems this thread has become too close to the actual truth and feelings of the fandom. I don't think leaving it open is going to be tolerated by the .org upper management hand puppets.

I fixed JonWes' quote.

[Robzy]

I fixed JonWes' quote.
:D

[kup]

I thought it was an interesting subject for discussion



I fixed JonWes' quote.

Nice! :cool:

[Lord_Zed]

They sure nailed it when they created the Matty Collector Logo, that smug smile, and crown. It's like he's the personification of the company lording it over everyone, treating customers like dirt and smiling because they'll still buy their product (with enough scare tactics) anyway.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go throw every piece of packaging with a Matty logo on it in the bin.

[Robzy]

They sure nailed it when they created the Matty Collector Logo, that smug smile, and crown. It's like he's the personification of the company lording it over everyone, treating customers like dirt and smiling because they'll still buy their product (with enough scare tactics) anyway.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go throw every piece of packaging with a Matty logo on it in the bin.

Yeah, I remember those days when MOTUC first started... you'd have to wake up a 2am and deal with the dreaded RSOD! And all the while, that smug, arrogant cartoon face would stare at you... mocking you while you sat there helplessly... praying that you would place your order before the figures sold out.

[Sky Shadow]

Because 2013 is closed. 2013 closed over a year ago. We can't add, subtract or change anything to the 2013 line up.

This is the same man who said "We got some big awesome surprises for MOTU for 2013 that, because we were so much over we can now go forward with" and "I wish we could reveal the entire year but we're also not in a position to do that because things do change."

His answers are not only inconsistent, but they don't make sense.


We'll make sure the 14 line covers all of the major vintage MOTU, major POP, major New Adventures, major Filmation.

It turns out that his idea of "make sure" also differs from most of ours.

[Sky Shadow]

I had these thoughts today... (http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?229056-Why-Do-We-Need-To-Hear-From-Toy-Guru)

Why do Masters Classics fans need to hear from Toy Guru? By now even the least cynical MOTUC fans must realise that there is no logic or consistency or certainty to anything Neitlich says. If he is capable of doing positive things for the line then he should be off doing them, not making videos or giving inconsistent, brusque, uninformative and noncommittal replies to forum messages. He doesn't need to waste his or our time doing that - he should be working on building the MOTU brand - promote the toys to people who aren't already buying them, publicise the comics or a potential movie, work on selling the toys in stores like the Toys 'R' Us two-packs, work with management to ensure that 2014 fulfils his promise that "we'll make sure the 14 line covers all of the major vintage MOTU, major POP, major New Adventures, major Filmation". Manage the brand, not manage us.

Hasbro doesn't feel the need to interact with its fans. Most Mattel toylines don't either. When we were kids, Masters toys just happened - we found out about new toys because they were on the cardbacks, back of minicomics, catalogues or on shelves. There is no reason why Mattel can't just do that. They've sold their subscriptions for the year - now they just need to update Mattycollector.com a month or two in advance and get on with making the line as good as it can be.

The brand manager needs to make the line grow and move forward, not waste his time back-pedalling.

[Sky Shadow]

My next post (http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?229056-Why-Do-We-Need-To-Hear-From-Toy-Guru&p=3100593&viewfull=1#post3100593) - in case it gets deleted, I want it here for posterity:

Indeed. And it's this half-baked attitude to everything. Similarly, he films those videos in one take as if they're live. They're not - he needs to get them right before he posts them. There's no reason why videos should have toys falling over or heads falling off or announcements about characters winning polls that haven't yet closed. He can't say "We got some big awesome surprises for MOTU for 2013 that, because we were so much over we can now go forward with" and "I wish we could reveal the entire year but we're also not in a position to do that because things do change" and then argue that Illumina is impossible "Because 2013 is closed. 2013 closed over a year ago. We can't add, subtract or change anything to the 2013 line up." There is no point in him wasting his and our time on these back and forths because it is clear that what he says is hollow. If 2013 was struggling for subscriptions, it was because he failed to do his job properly. It should be a wake-up call for Neitlich to change his methods of 'managing' this brand. There's nothing stopping him from reading what we want from MOTUC - it's all over this forum. But he shouldn't be retorting, he should be making Masters - once again - as big as Transformers or G.I. Joe.

[Robzy]

Well, you're totally right of course.

I had to laugh at that body builder dude who totally disagreed with everything you said and called for the thread to be closed :rolleyes: My God, it's getting worse. No freedom of speech at all. The attitude there seems to be, "Either we all agree that Mattel is wonderful and Scott is the best thing that's ever happened to MOTU, or you can go and get f***ed"

[kup]

Sadly, the atmosphere that Scott has created and the Org encouraged is not really about MOTU and the toys but more about 'celebrating' Scott. The type people who are now becoming the more prevalent sort at the Org, seem to be all into this personality worship of Scott in an almost religious manner. It doesn't matter what facts you show them or examples you give, Scott will always remain awesome and "doing a Great job".

It's really unsettling how people can willingly be so blind even when they are being directly and constantly taking advantage of and lied to.

[Sky Shadow]

And... the thread is closed. Their moderators have no idea how to run a forum. Deleting posts ad hoc and locking threads for no reason does not a good forum make. "It looks like this thread has ran its course, so I'm closing it." :confused: What exactly is the reason? Wouldn't it have run its course when, say, people stopped posting in it? Or when something was actually done about the issues raised? Can you imagine if we just randomly locked threads here eight hours after the first post? :rolleyes:

[kup]

And... the thread is closed. Their moderators have no idea how to run a forum. Deleting posts ad hoc and locking threads for no reason does not a good forum make. "It looks like this thread has ran its course, so I'm closing it." :confused: What exactly is the reason? Wouldn't it have run its course when, say, people stopped posting in it? Or when something was actually done about the issues raised? Can you imagine if we just randomly locked threads here eight hours after the first post? :rolleyes:

They may not know how to run a forum but they do know how to eliminate unwanted discussions in order to maintain 'positivity'.

It's not lack of moderating experience that is causing this extreme moderating but rather some misguided attempt at wanting to stay on Mattel's 'good side' that has caused them to implement a control of all discussions so that the board atmosphere promotes a positive view of Mattel/Scott.

Emiliano strongly disagreed with this one sided ideology and was booted from the board for it.

[TheFallen]

The .org must have initiated a "No Bad Mouthing Toyguru" policy. Expect the Forum Rules to be amended to reflect it in the next few days ;)

[Robzy]

You know, there's nothing worse than a bully who is a coward! How dare they close threads because they're afraid that things might get negative. That's the lowest, most pathetic course of action ever. Sure, I don't like name-calling or constant smarmy comments, but people should have a right to defend their POV in a coherent and reasonable manner. No one (on either side) resorted to any bad behaviour, but the thread was closed? That leads me to only one conclusion: The Mods closed it because it was "Anti-Scott". :eek: Do they think he's the King and anyone who speaks ill of him is committing treason? Now I remember why I haven't posted there much in the past 3 years. Might have to go back to that :rolleyes: I guess that's what they want though: get rid of the nay-sayers and nit-pickers... ie, the people pointing out the OBVIOUS flaws, lies, and deceptions! No wonder George W Bush got 2 terms :eek:

I think they are really embracing this new ideology too much over there. It's toxic and unhealthy for the franchise! Strongarm positive tactics will only force people to be more reactionary in a negative way. They've already got one of the worst reputations for blatant over-censorship among toy forums on the net (on other forums) and it's getting worse. Hmmm... I wonder what the only common denominator is :rolleyes:

[Sky Shadow]

Their FAQ states "He-Man.org may be a fan-created site, but a portion of the content legally belongs to Mattel. Mattel even helped us create our Legal Disclaimer and Privacy Policy." Hmm...

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8564/motucpgtoyguru.jpg

[kup]

Their FAQ states "He-Man.org may be a fan-created site, but a portion of the content legally belongs to Mattel. Mattel even helped us create our Legal Disclaimer and Privacy Policy." Hmm...

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8564/motucpgtoyguru.jpg

So Mattel partially pays for it? That would explain a lot.

[Sky Shadow]

So Mattel partially pays for it? That would explain a lot.

I don't know if it means that, but it seems the site is conscious of the possibility that Mattel might somehow mess them up if they don't stay on the corporation's good side.

[kup]

I don't know if it means that, but it seems the site is conscious of the possibility that Mattel might somehow mess them up if they don't stay on the corporation's good side.

In order for Mattel to be able to mess them up, they would have to be contributing to it somehow otherwise the worst they can do is not have Scott post there.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

In order for Mattel to be able to mess them up, they would have to be contributing to it somehow otherwise the worst they can do is not have Scott post there.

It might just be a reference towards Mattel's IP rights on the line. Although mattel helping to make the legal disclaimer and stuff shows an extra hand I didn't expect.

I wonder what the person/people who founded He-man.org think. Are they still around? (I am assuming it was up and running before MOTUC and possibly had a presence before 20xx of course..)

[Sky Shadow]

I wonder what the person/people who founded He-man.org think. Are they still around? (I am assuming it was up and running before MOTUC and possibly had a presence before 20xx of course..)

Interestingly, Val's views have generally been similar to ours. Here are a few recent posts that may be of interest:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228741-Roast-Gooble-Dinner-Episode-095-Discussion!&p=3094140#post3094140

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?227751-Toyguru-Update-on-2013-Subscriptions&p=3081013#post3081013

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?226991-A-Note-About-Recent-Events

Unlike Nietlich, Val is generally a good person. When the MOTU comic went under (predominately because of Mattel's intervention) Val tried to ensure that everyone involved was paid, at expense to himself (rather than going the @#$*hole Pat Lee direction.) Although it has only now come out that one person who was not fully paid was Emiliano Santalucia, the artist:

http://santalux.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/removed-from-he-manorg.html


In order for Mattel to be able to mess them up, they would have to be contributing to it somehow otherwise the worst they can do is not have Scott post there.

That would be a reward. No, they could legally demand anything that's part of Mattel's IP has to be removed from the site. Which is most of the site.

[kup]

Interestingly, Val's views have generally been similar to ours. Here are a few recent posts that may be of interest:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228741-Roast-Gooble-Dinner-Episode-095-Discussion!&p=3094140#post3094140

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?227751-Toyguru-Update-on-2013-Subscriptions&p=3081013#post3081013

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?226991-A-Note-About-Recent-Events

Unlike Nietlich, Val is generally a good person. When the MOTU comic went under (predominately because of Mattel's intervention) Val tried to ensure that everyone involved was paid, at expense to himself (rather than going the @#$*hole Pat Lee direction.) Although it has only now come out that one person who was not fully paid was Emiliano Santalucia, the artist:

http://santalux.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/removed-from-he-manorg.html


Val is very eloquent when it comes to making such posts but frankly, I am not seeing the same leveled playing field and openness he mentions in those posts practiced on the Board. I don't see it in the administration of the board as we have repeatedly seen with the mods adamant on opinion or 'positive atmosphere' control, specially since the SDCC reveals. Actions speak louder than words.

Your thread was about constructive criticism and it never deteriorated but was just randomly closed because it was gearing towards critique of current PR practices from Mattel and Scott rather than praising them. Val may not have closed it himself but he sure has the power to prevent such things from happening.

He may have done great things in the past but since Scott came into the foreground, there has been a big and drastic change in how the Org is ran and Val's attitude. We do not know exactly why as we do not have all the details but we have seen the results and it makes one wonder.

[Robzy]

I'm not going to comment too much on Val, because he seems okay on the RGPs. Unlike Pixel Dan, he's not always enthusiastic and blindly supportive of what Scott/Mattel do, and often challenges decisions. I always respected that he didn't "encourage" people to buy Subs when he himself didn't. I know his reasons are financial, because of what he did earlier, so that's perfectly fine with me. I don't like the way the Emiliano situation was handled... And to think you can get an infraction for simply mentioning his name sends a bad message.

Still, the root of the problem is Scott. He has brainwashed an army of loyal apologists who believe it is their right, nay purpose, on the Org to respond to any criticism of his actions (or lack thereof), and to defend his honour tirelessly and without pause. PR Agent and Marketing Manager are completely different things... some on the Org don't understand that! They also don't seem to understand the difference between self-appointed celebrity and respected icon of a franchise.

Scott's back-tracking of what 2014 will hold (after promising the world if people buy 2013 Subs) already is indicative of his fickle management style, attention to detail, and reliability as a messenger to the customers.

[kup]

Yes, I do agree that Scott is the root cause for all the the bad things happening in the fandom at the moment as well as the toyline itself.

As I said before, Scott is the worse thing that has happened to the franchise and this personality cult he has created around himself has not helped.

[Dodgeybros]

after all is said and done, at least we get another year of MOTUC to look forward to!

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

after all is said and done, at least we get another year of MOTUC to look forward to!

The ends justify the means?

As much as I am pleased to see the line continue, unless they change their practises, it will be the exact same issue this time next year as well.

[Dodgeybros]

The ends justify the means?

As much as I am pleased to see the line continue, unless they change their practises, it will be the exact same issue this time next year as well.

never (end justifying means), but it's the only light at the end of the tunnel for me, may be the last year I sub as I wasn't too impressed with this years line up, or the 30th anniversay line...

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

never (end justifying means), but it's the only light at the end of the tunnel for me, may be the last year I sub as I wasn't too impressed with this years line up, or the 30th anniversay line...

Ah yeah, I can see that point.

Seems like the hoo-hah has quietened down now then on he-manorg. Or everyone just been banned?:p

[kup]

Ah yeah, I can see that point.

Seems like the hoo-hah has quietened down now then on he-manorg. Or everyone just been banned?:p

I think a little from both but it is still a powder keg. Wait till the next QC issue appears or a broken commitment is announced and the whole thing will flare up again.

[Robzy]

Looks like the saga continues...

First, Val's post (http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?229677-Recent-events-concerning-P-amp-H-Foundation-Power-Con-He-Man-Org-and-more)

I gotta say, for a guy who wants this issue put to bed, he keeps bringing it up (in "Closed Threads"). He seems to want to pinpoint a lot of blame on Emiliano for problems with the Org's reputation/affiliation with Mattel, whereas it seems to me that the Org's incessant attempts to appease Scott are more of a cause for many issues.

Anyway, here's Part 1 of Emiliano's response. (http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/recent-thoughts-about-recent-blah-blah.html)

[Trent]

Wow, for 2 people that don't want to keep going on about it, they seem to... well... keep going on about it.

I'm not even into MOTU. I just heard about how they are competing against The Bold and The Beautiful and decided to read some good drama.

[liegeprime]

hmmm reading thru the posts, and some of the links to heman.org... there certainly a lot of prissy diva type personalities managing that forum ei? pity.....

[kup]

I am just some guy who has nothing to do with any of this and has nothing to gain or loose from reading all this drama. Although I have been a MOTU fan since the 80s, I only took part in the fan community within the last couple of years so Val and Emiliano are completely new personalities to me whom I did not know existed prior.

However, in the last couple of years I have seen some disturbing practices from Val and the admin staff at He-Man.org including attempts at information and opinion control specially when it comes to criticism against Scott or Mattel. I have seen them take action against such criticism by prematurely closing threads and even censoring and deleting 'inconvenient' posts when the critique is being handled respectfully and fair. On the other hand, posts that unquestionably praise Mattel and Scott are allowed to flourish even when such posters begin to attack people with more discerning attitudes (whose posts often end up deleted).

The Org is ran like a Totalitarian state in which Opinion is moderated in an attempt to artificially create a positive atmosphere towards Scott and Mattel despite all the ill thought out management and questionable attitudes towards fans and customers.

So given that I am an outsider and both Val and Emiliano are equally strangers to me, I find myself leaning towards giving Emiliano the benefit of the doubt. Unlike Val who runs a closed and controlled community, Emiliano encourages opinion and discussion on the matter and doesn't hide or avoid those who would criticize him. You can see that just by the fact that you can comment on what Emiliano has written while Val's post is a closed thread which prevents anyone from commenting on what he has said.

There is also the factor that all this drama is really being caused by Val who seems adamant at trying to tarnish Emiliano's standing with fans. I didn't know about any of this stuff until Val started to make his posts forcing Emiliano to defend himself. If he had kept silent, the issues between them would have remained private between the two of them.

[kup]

It continues:

http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/recent-thoughts-about-recent-blah-blah_29.html

[Tallestblue]

Wow. that's just sad. Emiliano's art made the 200X comic in my opinion. but at the end of the day control freak jerks will get their way by being bullies and liars.
I'm pretty much at lurker status on the org because I can't think of anything nicer to say than "shut the hell up, all of you." It's only good for the occasional tidbit of MOTUC news.

[kup]

Wow. that's just sad. Emiliano's art made the 200X comic in my opinion. but at the end of the day control freak jerks will get their way by being bullies and liars.
I'm pretty much at lurker status on the org because I can't think of anything nicer to say than "shut the hell up, all of you." It's only good for the occasional tidbit of MOTUC news.

I am also not seeing much point in posting there either.

[Sky Shadow]

I know this thread is supposed to be for complaining about the .org, but... hey - is anyone else excited about getting Mekaneck next month? He was one of my first two humanoid Masters toys and my first 'good guy'. :)

[kup]

I know this thread is supposed to be for complaining about the .org, but... hey - is anyone else excited about getting Mekaneck next month? He was one of my first two humanoid Masters toys and my first 'good guy'. :)

I am a little burned out on MOTUC so I am not that excited although I am happy to get him. I really wish they had aimed to include the neck mechanism, it would have been not more difficult than Roboto's gears.

[kurdt_the_goat]

Selling (http://otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=8700) my King Grayskull and Count Marzo for anyone after those figures still.

[kup]

Selling (http://otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=8700) my King Grayskull and Count Marzo for anyone after those figures still.

You had me excited for a moment, I thought you meant the original release ;)

This is still a must for anyone who doesn't have a King Grayskull figure and liked the 200x mythos about him.

[Tallestblue]

Has anyone read MOTU Digital comic number 5? It stars Evil-Lyn in film noir/Sin City-esque tale. I liked it. Seemed quite fitting for Evil-Lyn and adds some maturity to the Masters Universe that we've not seen before. Naturally everyone on the Org seems to hate it.

[Sharky]

Has anyone read MOTU Digital comic number 5? It stars Evil-Lyn in film noir/Sin City-esque tale. I liked it. Seemed quite fitting for Evil-Lyn and adds some maturity to the Masters Universe that we've not seen before. Naturally everyone on the Org seems to hate it.

Didn't know it was out... (stooped slow notifications...) off to DL now....

( I liked the king random story too last Ish)

[kup]

Got banned again after I replied to a post of someone who asked 'Why such a serious issue like the 'Paint on Black' thread not grown as big as other similar quality concerns thread in the past?'

All that I said was "Because anyone who cares to express their grievances against Mattel would not post here because chances are their posts will be deleted" (paraphrasing as I no longer have access to the Org).

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/banned2.jpg

I wasn't "Disrespectful of Others" at all! They had to tag me with a random infraction for an excuse to shut me up like a good ol' traditional fascist regime.

[Trent]

Lol. Free speech FTW!!!



On an unrelated matter, whats the autobot symbol in your taskbar for?

[kup]

Lol. Free speech FTW!!!



On an unrelated matter, whats the autobot symbol in your taskbar for?

More Than Meets The Eye. Robots in Disguise! ;)

[Trent]

More Than Meets The Eye. Robots in Disguise! ;)

I am still none the wiser.:confused:

[kup]

I am still none the wiser.:confused:

It's the software that comes with Device Label Ravage ;)

[Trent]

Ah.

Carry on then. :)

[Robzy]

Got banned again after I replied to a post of someone who asked 'Why such a serious issue like the 'Paint on Black' thread not grown as big as other similar quality concerns thread in the past?'

All that I said was "Because anyone who cares to express their grievances against Mattel would not post here because chances are their posts will be deleted" (paraphrasing as I no longer have access to the Org).

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/banned2.jpg

I wasn't "Disrespectful of Others" at all! They had to tag me with a random infraction for an excuse to shut me up like a good ol' traditional fascist regime.

Lol, JonWes got you again. Seriously, that place is really flawed. That's about the nicest way to say it!

How exactly were you "disrespectful to others"???!! :rolleyes: Apparently now, according to the Org, black plastic has feelings?? :eek: Or do they mean Mattel? Either way, it makes no sense.

It's funny, I saw a different forum (which I won't mention) that discussed "bad Moderators" the other day, and of course the Org was brought up, and 3 Mods there (ones starting with the letters J, D, and F) all got a mention as being the worst. You don't even have to point it out, because clearly everyone all over the net can already see it.

I don't bother with the Org anymore. I can't even be bothered posting "I told you so" in the countless threads where Matty Apologists are now questioning Scott's credibility, since he's back tracked on so many of his recent "promises", after they defended him so vigorously during the Sub campaign! :rolleyes: It's painful!

[kup]

Lol, JonWes got you again. Seriously, that place is really flawed. That's about the nicest way to say it!

How exactly were you "disrespectful to others"???!! :rolleyes: Apparently now, according to the Org, black plastic has feelings?? :eek: Or do they mean Mattel? Either way, it makes no sense.

It's funny, I saw a different forum (which I won't mention) that discussed "bad Moderators" the other day, and of course the Org was brought up, and 3 Mods there (ones starting with the letters J, D, and F) all got a mention as being the worst. You don't even have to point it out, because clearly everyone all over the net can already see it.

I don't bother with the Org anymore. I can't even be bothered posting "I told you so" in the countless threads where Matty Apologists are now questioning Scott's credibility, since he's back tracked on so many of his recent "promises", after they defended him so vigorously during the Sub campaign! :rolleyes: It's painful!

I have noticed that people these days forget very quickly. They will be defending Scott/Mattel again and swallowing every promise next year when subs go on sale.

Just look at the US elections. Republicans left the US in a state of economic, political and social chaos. This was done through constant and shameless lies, media manipulation and selfish interests that brought us into two senseless wars. Some argue that this expedited the US into a decline it will not be able to recover from.

Four years later, people appear to have forgotten about all that and are still willing to vote in the same type of people from the Republican party and to make it worse, the extremist right wing sides of it seem to be as popular a s ever.

[Robzy]

So, apparently Frosta's got reversed forearms as well now... :rolleyes: Pretty cool huh?

I swear, if this is true, this line is almost dead! It's like Mattel doesn't want it to continue! I'm having a good ol' laugh at the responses by Matty Apologists on the Org though... Saying things like, "Meh, it's an easy swap", "What's the big deal, just swap them" or "Hopefully it's like Swiftwind: some are, some aren't! I guess that's better then all of them being reversed"...

Um, NO!!! We (the, you know, CUSTOMERS who, you know BOUGHT the figures) shouldn't have to "swap" them, or "be happy" if the issue is not "widespread". :rolleyes: What a joke!

[kup]

So, apparently Frosta's got reversed forearms as well now... :rolleyes: Pretty cool huh?

I swear, if this is true, this line is almost dead! It's like Mattel doesn't want it to continue! I'm having a good ol' laugh at the responses by Matty Apologists on the Org though... Saying things like, "Meh, it's an easy swap", "What's the big deal, just swap them" or "Hopefully it's like Swiftwind: some are, some aren't! I guess that's better then all of them being reversed"...

Um, NO!!! We (the, you know, CUSTOMERS who, you know BOUGHT the figures) shouldn't have to "swap" them, or "be happy" if the issue is not "widespread". :rolleyes: What a joke!

I just saw the photos.

Wow, they really did ruin Frosta. Here is a list from Staff of Ka at He-Man.org:


- - - Updated - - -

Frosta
 Non requested translucent ‘Ice’ hair
 Gray hip pegs
 Half Painted bodice
 Gray instead of white
 Badly designed face apps


The gray is what kills it for me. What the hell were they thinking? She is Ice/Snow themed! Not a garage mechanic!

The face is also horrendous. That photoshop in which the mouth is colored properly changes her expression considerably which shows that it's not so much the sculpt but the horrible paint apps that ruin it. The possibility of reversed forearms (again!) also shows that they don't give a damn.

Another figure ruined in the transition from the 4H prototype to Scott and the moron Mattel designers.

It is also amazing how the figures that Scott cares about never have these Quality Control or cheapening out issues. Not that he cares since he has already managed to con a lot of people into buying the sub for another year :rolleyes:

[Tallestblue]

I'll need to see Frosta in-hand before I make up my mind. I'm not sold on the face as it really doesn't look like Four Horseman design to me. It annoys me that Mekanek, Rattlor and D.B. Skeletor look great but Frosta gets the shaft.

[Robzy]

Looks like DB Skeletor is cast in black plastic (and painted blue) as well... I've read that it's showing through where the paint is chipping.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Got banned again after I replied to a post of someone who asked 'Why such a serious issue like the 'Paint on Black' thread not grown as big as other similar quality concerns thread in the past?'

All that I said was "Because anyone who cares to express their grievances against Mattel would not post here because chances are their posts will be deleted" (paraphrasing as I no longer have access to the Org).

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/banned2.jpg

I wasn't "Disrespectful of Others" at all! They had to tag me with a random infraction for an excuse to shut me up like a good ol' traditional fascist regime.
And there's your proof. Ha ha haha! Sad days for the Org.

On the Frosta side of things, erm, the arms didn't look reversed to me, but her hair looks like it almost locks her head in one place.

I saw this http://thefwoosh.com/2012/09/first-look-masters-of-the-universe-classics-frosta

[liegeprime]

hmmm, there's something off about how Frosta looks, like she's bucktooth or something... so far from that pretty image in the bio at the backing card. She looks so feminine and sweet there and then you get a manly dikey faced figure :mad::mad:. Plus is it me or does the figure look kinda fat?

[Tallestblue]

hmmm, there's something off about how Frosta looks, like she's bucktooth or something... so far from that pretty image in the bio at the backing card. She looks so feminine and sweet there and then you get a manly dikey faced figure :mad::mad:. Plus is it me or does the figure look kinda fat?

Better not let the Lesbians hear you talking like that Liege, No sense of humour and what not.

I don't find Frosta manly as such. I personally think she looks high as kite on some sort of Etherian Party drug.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

I personally think she looks high as kite on some sort of Etherian Party drug.
Yeh, looks like shes about to start a 3 day bender.

Rattlor actually looks pretty good I thought, although I would have liked to see some pointed shoulder amour for him to produce the image of bulk.

[kup]

I don't like Rattlor. He should have come with a 200x head. He looks way too vintage for my tastes and silly when compared to the Snake Men guards.

I will probably end up selling him depending if there is a custom head and shoulder/chest harness armor.

[kup]

Damn it! The Snakemen also have painted black plastic :mad:

[Tallestblue]

Not a fan of the Snakemen two-pack, and not sucha fan of Rattlor either. I'll get him but I also wish his head was less vintage. I have the horrible feeling a General Rattlor figure has been planned at the cost of the General Armour and 200X head.

[kup]

Not a fan of the Snakemen two-pack, and not sucha fan of Rattlor either. I'll get him but I also wish his head was less vintage. I have the horrible feeling a General Rattlor figure has been planned at the cost of the General Armour and 200X head.

I don't think they have the luxury of planning anything anymore. I seriously doubt the line will live past 2013

[Robzy]

Well, I'm happy with all the Snake Men (except King Hiss' reversed shoulders :rolleyes:). But I really like Rattlor (as a vintage fan) and I think the 2-pack is awesome. Bring on Tung Lashor... No Lashor, We bash ya!

[Lord_Zed]

That Frosta is a bit scary, though Mind you not a big fan of the face sculpts for any of the female Masters, there all a tad retro (except Shadow Weaver she's cool).

What's with that bio though? Are the real names based on people how work at Mattel or what? Is The Mighty Spectors real name Scott Awesome?

[kup]

That Frosta is a bit scary, though Mind you not a big fan of the face sculpts for any of the female Masters, there all a tad retro (except Shadow Weaver she's cool).

What's with that bio though? Are the real names based on people how work at Mattel or what? Is The Mighty Spectors real name Scott Awesome?

I disagree, not all MOTU female characters have bad faces. Teela has a nice face and so does Bubble Power She-Ra. The crappy faces are standard She-Ra, Queen Marlena and of course Frosta.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

I quite like Catra's face. It harkens back to the female face style of 80s cartoons imo. Her and She-Ra are the only ones I've seen in person though.

[kup]

I quite like Catra's face. It harkens back to the female face style of 80s cartoons imo. Her and She-Ra are the only ones I've seen in person though.

I like her face too

[Robzy]

Just in case anyone doubted Scott was a complete jerk...



Are all the mekaneck's released going to have a helmet that doesnt fit right on their head? How can you release product that is faulty? The price we all pay for these figures is crazy enough, but we pay it because we expect top of the line figures. I can't believe how often you guys screw up the most standard quality control process. It seems like every other toy you release for motuc has some type of error. I cant believe such an a-list character was released with such a defect, thanks. You can see the corners of where his eyes would be under the mask for christ sakes! It looks F--KING REDICULOUS! It seems like you guys just can't get it right, I wish I hadn't purchased a 2013 subscription. I can only imagine how many more botched figures we are going to get. Maybe Mattel should hand the brand over to Hasbro so it can be done right or even better, perhaps they should get a new brand manager who knows what the **** he is doing.

Scott's reply...


Not every figure will be for everyone. I've got a final Mek on my desk and think he looks keen. The Horsemen really captured one of my favorite vintage figures spot on! (if I could have any MOTU characters power, it would totally be Mekaneck. I always want to look over crowds.... Sometimes when translating a toy from a sculpt to a plastic articulated figure, not everything is seamless (the same thing can be seen on He-Man's hair actually). It is just part of the toy making process.

As for Hasbro, they do a fantastic job of fan relations. I particularly like how they set up a whole Direct to Consumer web business just to sell hard core collectors vintage nostalgia lines for brands not large enough to work at retail.

And their interaction with fan sites is best in class. They way they always send out review samples, and answer every fan question posted on the boards no matter how rudely typed they are. As for brand managers, clearly all of their staff are hard core fans too, doing everything they can to keep collectors line going like writing behind the scene blogs, dressing up at SDCC, recording podcasts at 6 am on Sunday mornings and holding create a character contests letting fans actually design characters in their lines.

One day I hope we can deliver close to what they do.

:eek::eek:

Sure the person asking the question was rude... but... wow...

Scott has got to go down in history as the WORST person for a PR job ever!

[Sky Shadow]

Scott has got to go down in history as the WORST person for a PR job ever!

I guess at least Mattel isn't fronted by a pointless, annoying dickhead.

Oh no, hold on...

[kup]

Just in case anyone doubted Scott was a complete jerk...



Scott's reply...


:eek::eek:

Sure the person asking the question was rude... but... wow...

Scott has got to go down in history as the WORST person for a PR job ever!

That alone shows you that he is in the wrong job. He is not just dealing with some fan, he is dealing with one of his paying customers! He shouldn't loose sight of that so easily. It is so unprofessional to response with such sarcasm.

Plus his 'wannabee' fan celebrity status and fan interactions have actually done more harm than good when you look at it objectively. Fan interaction is fine as long as you are aware that he is also your customer!

[Robzy]

Again, he just lists all the things that he wants "credit" for. That's the third time in the past 2-3 months that I can specifically remember (in writing) Scott actually doing this.

Other choice quotes...


I don't have the power to just "change things"
So... who does???



As you said, this was someone's choice and that someone was Ruben and his design team.
It's never his fault. He wants credit all the time, but never accepts any blame. Here he is, passing the buck again... First it's legal, now it's all Ruben!



I have noticed MOTU fans tend to be more "demanding" compared to other toy lines but I also think they deserve the best product possible!
This was a response to a rather condescending question (http://forums.mattycollector.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5681027317/m/7341003677) - still can't work out if the poster was actually being sarcastic - like it's customers who are expecting too much from these "high-end" collectibles that will last "forever... from here til doomsday"!

Clearly, all these recent responses indicate that Scott's had about as much as he can handle. He doesn't seem to realise that many customers have had enough too. Many of us are being "rude", "unreasonable", and "demanding" because we're SICK TO DEATH of the same old problems happening over and over and over and over again! After a while, you start to get angry and take it out on the smarmy guy who posts "copy and paste" responses and NEVER actually addresses the issue. He even states that he answer every question... yeah right! There are so many unanswered questions on that forum... plus, saying "no plans right now" or "I'll pass that along" all the time (without follow-ups) are not ANSWERS to the questions. :rolleyes:

[kup]

It's never his fault. He wants credit all the time, but never accepts any blame. Here he is, passing the buck again... First it's legal, now it's all Ruben!

So it's now my fault? (!) :mad:

:p

[Robzy]

So it's now my fault? (!) :mad:

:p

Ha! :D Yeah, man... What have you done???!!! :eek:

[Robzy]

Wow :eek: Scott's answers get more dramatic by the day...




I've always said I will maximize the number of skus we get in 2014, be that 1 or 20 or 50. Yes, there is a very real chance management may decide MOTUC isn't worth the trouble anymore. Sales are down, all most online fans do is complain, and people are very negative all the time. *Now don't get me wrong, there are clearly some issues to complain about. But come on. Look at any other collector lines. I can't think of any line that generates so much negative feelings over issues that are not life changing. Do I even need to bring up that crappy Thundercats line Bandai put out? How about that Luke that had his hair sculpted the wrong direction and a cloak that was totally off model. Yes MOTUC has had issues, but not issues that I think are worthy of the amount of negativity that sometimes generates. Other lines tend to skate by while MOTUC fans just want to throw everything under the bus as quick as they can.

All of this winds up being not very good reasons to keep a line going. (do you not realize how cool it is that we are even GETTING new MOTU each month? Remember what it was like in 2004-2007? Nothing new. very easy to take what we are getting for granted)

It would be much more profitable for the company to put the resources we use for MOTUC into Barbie or Hot Wheels which make way more money. It is way easier to just say "we are done" than to keep fighting year after year to keep this line. I do it personally because I love MOTU and I will continue to fight for every skus I can get in 2014, but at this point I simply don't know how many (if any) we will get. That is managements call, not mine.

Wow! :eek::rolleyes:

For starters, he promised if people bought the 2013 he would personally guarantee they would finish off the line in 2014 with A-list characters... Now, he says that he really meant he'd only fight for SKUs (be it 1, 20 or 50) :rolleyes:

In response to the rest, somebody on the Org wrote exactly what I thought...


The management may cancel the line because of negativity bothers me. First it was sub or the line may end, now it sounds like we are being told to not complain and shut up or the line may end. That's just not going to fly.

Is this Scott's new tactic to avoid endless criticism? Is he sick of "copying and pasting" answers, and now wants us to just stop complaining about, you know, every little "minor" issue? :eek:

Well, that's today's lesson folks... Shut up and stop complaining... or else they might just cancel the line!

[Tallestblue]

Enormous six page rant cancelled for brevity.

I thought Scott's response was actually funny, but then I've always enjoyed watching the outraged rabble scream and claw at each other.

I'll stick with MOTUC until it's dying breath. It's still the best collector toy line out there and not much comes close to it. I'm just ignoring the extraneous crap such as Mattel politics and production errors. Just keep giving me neat toys please.

[Trent]

How about that Luke that had his hair sculpted the wrong direction

Oh how I lol'd at that! Would have loved to see the SW fan rage play out over that.:D:D:D

[kup]

Enormous six page rant cancelled for brevity.

I thought Scott's response was actually funny, but then I've always enjoyed watching the outraged rabble scream and claw at each other.

I'll stick with MOTUC until it's dying breath. It's still the best collector toy line out there and not much comes close to it. I'm just ignoring the extraneous crap such as Mattel politics and production errors. Just keep giving me neat toys please.

I am a MOTU fan but I have to completely disagree. When you look at the line objectively, it is not that great. There are much, MUCH better collector lines out there and at comparative cheaper prices like the NECA stuff.

MOTUC was 'good' (not great) when it first started and it is now mediocre at best and that's just on the action figures themselves, not including the politics (which is actually what's causing the figures to be crap, painted over black plastic and all).

[Lord_Zed]

I quite like Catra's face. It harkens back to the female face style of 80s cartoons imo. Her and She-Ra are the only ones I've seen in person though.

But that's my point they all look retro to me, they all have those harder edged faces and heavy make up look that just screams 80's to me. No that this is an issue, as it is supposed to be a retro line.




I am a MOTU fan but I have to completely disagree. When you look at the line objectively, it is not that great. There are much, MUCH better collector lines out there and at comparative cheaper prices like the NECA stuff.


NECA definitely, not to mention Pallisades, I would rate the toys I have from those companies as better bang for my buck than my MOTUC figures. Even the old Toybiz Marvel line from a few years back, though I suppose production costs have risen since then.

[Robzy]

I really, really love the MOTUC figures (sculpt/design wise) but QC and production errors make it hard to say convincingly that the line is outstanding. It definitely used to be much better, but I feel Mattel have gotten lazy and sloppy with their execution of these great figures.

Generally I really like NECA figures too. Some have issues, but mostly they're great. It's funny, I look at the recent TMNT Classics and I think they're better than MOTUC classics (still, the latter's been running much longer). What I love most, however, is that Playmates gave us the 4 Turtles straight up. Mattel would never have done that - they would space out the line as long as possible with fillers, and then cancel it incomplete. That's why Ghostbusters failed! And it's why MOTUC is dropping off. Mattel gives an A-lister here, a C-lister there, followed by a Concept character, and so on... Playmates got that right!

[liegeprime]

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I don't find Frosta manly as such. I personally think she looks high as kite on some sort of Etherian Party drug.

hahah:p

The thing is, they're capable of making a good face sculpt for a female figure that matches their toon character - Bubble She-ra, Catra... but this, ugh. She needs to have a softer face.

So far there's been almost "great Rebellion character, mostly Horde figures ( which I don't mind), but cmoooon that's just not up to scratch:(... where's Glimmer, Queen Angela, heck even Madame Razz , hope they don't mess the faces of these characters too.

[kup]

but cmoooon that's just not up to scratch:(... where's Glimmer, Queen Angela, heck even Madame Razz , hope they don't mess the faces of these characters too.

You have no idea how many times and for how long people have asked this to Scott.

Now I honestly don't even want to see those characters since Scott seems to foul up any figure he doesn't care about. It is almost as if he does it on purpose since it takes up a slot for one of the characters he may personally want.

[Robzy]

Scott's latest round (or 2) of answers have left many utterly speechless. :eek: His behaviour is even more unprofessional than normal!

I just feel like Scott's either quit, or has been told his days as Brand Manager of MOTUC are coming to an end. Perhaps the whole line is going to end soon (how does that make Subscribers, who bought in to 2013 because of the 2014 promises, feel?). Dunno - seems just seem a little weird right now.

[kup]

Scott's latest round (or 2) of answers have left many utterly speechless. :eek: His behaviour is even more unprofessional than normal!

I just feel like Scott's either quit, or has been told his days as Brand Manager of MOTUC are coming to an end. Perhaps the whole line is going to end soon (how does that make Subscribers, who bought in to 2013 because of the 2014 promises, feel?). Dunno - seems just seem a little weird right now.

You can read it between the lines, he doesn't have much of a 'poker face' when it comes to keeping emotion out of his postings. Mattel management has probably killed the line and since it was Scott's 'purpose for living' he is trying to hold it all in. After all, he is ego driven and revels at the whole 'Celebrity' status the line has given him with the MOTU fandom. Once MOTUC is gone, he will just be 'plain and simple' Scott.

Expect the formal announcement some time soon.

[Lord_Zed]

You can read it between the lines, he doesn't have much of a 'poker face' when it comes to keeping emotion out of his postings. Mattel management has probably killed the line and since it was Scott's 'purpose for living' he is trying to hold it all in. After all, he is ego driven and revels at the whole 'Celebrity' status the line has given him with the MOTU fandom. Once MOTUC is gone, he will just be 'plain and simple' Scott.

Expect the formal announcement some time soon.

If what you say is true, to many he will always be "that guy" who ruined MOTUC too!

[Robzy]

Expect the formal announcement some time soon.


If what you say is true, to many he will always be "that guy" who ruined MOTUC too!

I think you're both right!

As I wrote above, this is the feeling I'm getting after reading his recent posts. He's certainly taken it to a whole new level. His behaviour (for a paid professional) is astounding. So, the obvious conclusion to be drawn, is that things don't look good for the future of MOTUC, or Scott, or possibly both!

[Robzy]

Scott's certainly distancing himself...



I pass comments to Ruben all the time and while he doesn't post he reads a lot of the threads. But in the end, MOTUC are his toys to design and it is not my job to tell him how to do his job. I do pass along suggestions online, but I can't force him to do anything. That just isn't how Mattel works.




Let me see if I can explain this one a little better.

Think of MOTUC as a movie. If that were so, I would be the producer, Ruben is the director and the Horsemen are the actors.

It is Ruben's job (as dictated by management and Mattel structure) to translate the Horsemen's sculpts into articulated manufactured product (i.e. action figures).

Many times factors be it costs, artistic desire or even accident can affect things Ruben (or whomever is in the design seat)does. Sometimes fans have really liked these things (like when Terry darkened Shadow Weaver's robe), other times not as much (like when Ruben moved around Stinkor's glove).

But the bottom line is that it is Ruben's JOB to do these things. Much as a Director owns the artistic vision for a film. The actor (sculptor) can suggest things or provide a good starting point, but it is ultimately the director (designer) who creates the figure.

We do work as a team on MOTUC and lots of folks from across the group have contributed over the years I even got to suggest two accessories that were created, Panthor's helmet and King He-Man's sword, and I remember TC our previous engineer came up with the Orb of Grayskull concept).So we all chip in a bit.

I hope this clarifies. If you are expecting the Horsemen sculpts to be 100% the toy, I honestly just suggest managing your expectations. The Horsemen are great sculptors, but in the end it is Ruben's (or whomever is the lead designer's) toy.

Pretty cool, huh? Told you Scott wasn't to blame... it's all Ruben's fault!! :cool: :p

Seriously... pass the buck much? :rolleyes: He's the Brand Manager right? It's a big picture of him on Mattycollector right? Not Ruben, right? He writes the "MOTUC Director's Commentary" right? But now Ruben's the "director" and in charge of all design decisions? Scott is powerless to stop Ruben swapping Stinkor's forearms?

This is the same guy who recently asked "Do I get any credit?"??!! Give me a break!:rolleyes:



If we had more fans like you, the line would have no end in sight!
I read this and immediately picked up 2 things: 1, Scott only wants customers/fans who praise and thank him (for what?? - apparently he has no power whatsoever, according to his above statements), and 2, the line clearly has an "end in sight".

But, alas, this is the best one of all... In response to DR's latest screw up (they released several figures, like the Snake Men 2-pack, on sale early and many people bought them) he wrote...



Yes. This was an error and all sales will be canceled and refunded.

Only problem is, there are several people noting they've received an email from DR/Matty saying their item (the 2-pack) has been shipped :eek::eek: So, how does that work? Maybe Scott's telling the truth, and he really does have no idea what's going on and no power to stop it. Fingers crossed there's any Snake Men left for the REAL sale day next week :rolleyes: not to mention for the Subscribers (reminds me of the Fisto debacle).

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

But, alas, this is the best one of all... In response to DR's latest screw up (they released several figures, like the Snake Men 2-pack, on sale early and many people bought them) he wrote...



Only problem is, there are several people noting they've received an email from DR/Matty saying their item (the 2-pack) has been shipped :eek::eek: So, how does that work? Maybe Scott's telling the truth, and he really does have no idea what's going on and no power to stop it. Fingers crossed there's any Snake Men left for the REAL sale day next week :rolleyes: not to mention for the Subscribers (reminds me of the Fisto debacle).

I sense a punch up when Rueben reads these... Things are gonna be Icey in the mattel offices for a while. Sheesh.

If scott has no power and no idea as to what's going on, then he should probably shut up and if they want to have a correspondent with the fans, get someone who knows what's going on. Rueben seems to be the main man now...:rolleyes:

As for the sale screw up, so what? they bought them and paid for them, obviously they wanted them. Ship them off. Apologise for releasing them early. What's the big deal? Make some more if they don't have enough for the subscribers, it can't be that hard.

Now all the people who bought them early have to buy them again? If I were in that group I certainly wouldn't bother. If matty collector were a company in Australia, I would have reported them to fair trading considering how immense and regular their cock ups seem to be...

[Tallestblue]

Again, one of the many reasons I preorder with BBTS. Yes, I'm paying extra but at least I don't have to worry about monumental screw ups like this.

[Robzy]

Why the hell is the onus on customers to show PROOF to the design team at Mattel that the black plastic on new MOTUC figures is chipping? :rolleyes: I have a Spikor - his knee was chipped before I even opened the packaging. Plenty of people have dozens of photos online of their figures with chipping paint, and black being revealed underneath. It's like sh!tty quality 80s/90s toys all over again :mad: What "crack scientist" at Mattel thought this was a good idea? Ruben? Who honestly couldn't see what was going to happen with this?? :rolleyes:

Scott - you've been told!! It doesn't matter that you've only found 30 pictures of it... there aren't a huge amount of pics of Snout Spout's splittling trunk, Goddess' exploding torso, or Mr Stay Puft's yellowing body, but you've managed to acknowledge all of them as "errors" or "issues". :mad: So, he's passed it on? Yippeee... took long enough! Shouldn't have happened in the first place. Scott even states it was a "cost cutting" measure, and now they'll have to look for a new one. Cost cutting? Aren't we paying more per figure so we don't lose quality?? :eek::mad: You know what's gonna happen - the 2014 line won't happen and fans/customers will get the blame cos we didn't just suck it up in regards to black plastic. They'll say they tried to save money but customers wouldn't let them! It will be our fault again! :mad:

This line has jumped the shark!

[kurdt_the_goat]

Ugh! Seriously guys, time to start voting by closing your wallets like i did! Feels good man :)

[kup]

Ugh! Seriously guys, time to start voting by closing your wallets like i did! Feels good man :)

I closed it.

[Robzy]

Ugh! Seriously guys, time to start voting by closing your wallets like i did! Feels good man :)
You are 100% correct! I just feel so much disappointment by the way the line's been directed lately. I hate just walking away because it feels like I'm allowing Scott to win. He gets to do whatever he wants, blame whoever he wants, insult customers, and get away with it. No accountability whatsover... it's hard to just let that go. Scott killed my passion for MOTU the same way Michael Bay did for TFs. I'm only just getting my TF mojo back now, and I fear the same will happen with MOTU. :(

While I'm still buying some things, I'm definitely a much Pickier Cherry Picker than ever before.

[kup]

I am just waiting for my 2012 sub to expire and that would be it. I have even begun to sell some of the remaining figures as I receive them.

I can imagine 5 years from now people having a collection of 'Black MOTUC' figures adorning their shelves :rolleyes:

[kurdt_the_goat]

If you still want a few of the designs (after release, once it's become clear they're QC free and solid toys), considering you aren't going after every single release, it's a lot easier to stomach the extra cost at BBTS or something as Tallestblue has mentioned.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

I hate just walking away because it feels like I'm allowing Scott to win.
You know though, since Ghost busters is gone DC is gone (I think), voltron won't last forever, eventually there won't be any reason for Mattel to bother with Scott and he'll be out on his ear.

Then Scott would have won, but what does he have? An unemployment cheque.:p

Plus, eventually, MOTU will rise again. Be sure of that, entertainment doesn't really like trying anything new, in a few years, someone will bring it up again and MOTU will rise again.

[Robzy]

Thanks for trying to cheer me up guys :p I feel better now. Hmmm.... would still like to meet Scott one day - just to slap him!

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Thanks for trying to cheer me up guys :p I feel better now. Hmmm.... would still like to meet Scott one day - just to slap him!

Now THAT'S a convention worth going too!!:D:p

[Cat]

Yesterday my Teela arrived, along with a He-Man and a spare Man At Arms (Well, the He-Man is spare too).

Teela is great. Wish I had two to display both heads and headdress.

And it's neat having an opened MAA and He-Man.

Unfortunately He-Man has a REALLY loose ankle that means he can't stand easily.

I just shoved him in a case that fits him perfectly, but doesn't give him enough room to lean.

Close enough.

[Skullcruncher]

Man I won a couple of the original MOTU playsets on ebay and they arrived yesterday - I have to say if I had these as the kid I could have spent hours playing with them! I had the GI Joe terror dome instead but these playsets are just as cool :D

[Sky Shadow]

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8833/imagessubonlyemail05.jpg

Octavia and Karatti look fawesome. Mathematically, that's not a good start to the promises of what would be done in 2013, but I'm happy with those two. Snake Face was expected and is awesome too - I just discovered how many attachable snakes he'll have: http://toynewsi.com/ig.php?mode=view&album=Mattel%2F2012_Power-Con_Booth&pic=DSCN1661.jpg&dispsize=600&start=0&sl=19206

So who's in for Castle Grayskull (http://he-man.org/news_article.php?id=2910)?

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

They look pretty cool and I do like the look of Greyskull. Wonder what stuff it'll have inside? Hopefully a trap door somewhere.

[Robzy]

Snake face wins for me!! Absolutely fantastic. The other two are pretty cool too.

As for Castle Grayskull... At this stage it's only a maybe. I do hope it gets made and I will definitely pre-order one. I think it will be basic from what I've read but that doesn't bother me. Some are already complaining about the price, but to be fair to Scott, he did flag it a while ago.

I wonder if CG is a response to all the negativity of late... It seems rushed and unprepared, like they thought they had to do something awesome - and quick! If that is the case, that's still ok by me. But the fact that it's still no certainty makes me not want to get my hopes up just yet! Hell, even Ram Man couldn't sell Subs!

[kup]

Snakeface looks awesome and Octavia is freaking sweet!

I just hope neither gets ruined by black plastic, reversed arms, flaking paint or screwed up faces.

If Mattycollector had not become such a disaster, these two figures alone would have tempted me to get a sub.

Edit: I just saw a close up of Octavia's face. It's not very good and rather plain looking with the same stupid buck teeth expression all MOTUC females seem to now have.

She is supposed to look like this:

http://www.darah.com/she-ra/usrg/evilhorde/octavia/octavia.jpg

Not a generic green Barbie doll with a bucked tooth 'dull surprise' look :rolleyes:

[Robzy]

And in other news, it's disappointing to see Mattel's up to their old tricks with a brand new figure...

FROSTA has reversed arms... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

At least, unlike Stinkor, they're admitting it's a mistake this time and not trying to pretend it was a deliberate choice to make the figure "pop". So, Subscribers can either get a refund or a free "Apology Gift(TM)" (Matty should start mass producing these to be honest!!) but either way, you are guaranteed NOT to get a correct/QC-error free version. Even after delays, they couldn't get her right!

*sigh*

[kup]

And in other news, it's disappointing to see Mattel's up to their old tricks with a brand new figure...

FROSTA has reversed arms... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

At least, unlike Stinkor, they're admitting it's a mistake this time and not trying to pretend it was a deliberate choice to make the figure "pop". So, Subscribers can either get a refund or a free "Apology Gift(TM)" (Matty should start mass producing these to be honest!!) but either way, you are guaranteed NOT to get a correct/QC-error free version. Even after delays, they couldn't get her right!

*sigh*

Sadly just like Stinkor, she has become a custom job for me which isn't what I signed up for :mad:. I now have to fix her arms and paint the grey 'snow' dress into a proper white :rolleyes:

We know now why Hasbro does it. It seems that grey is a much cheaper 'alternative' to white. As Scott himself said, all the crap we have seen in the last few months is all about cost cutting despite the price increases.

Profiteering much? :rolleyes:

[Lord_Zed]

Those 3 figures look reasonably cool, even though I only recognize Snake Face. I would consider getting them if they weren't guaranteed to have some sort of messed up QC issue and distributed by the evil Matty.

[Robzy]

The sad part is, from reading a lot of forums and talking to people about it last weekend, it seems Castle Grayskull may not have the "super-awesome" appeal that Scott and Co would have anticipated. Unfortunately, I feel Matty has already shot themselves in the foot with constant QC issues, and a lot of people seems unwilling to part with $200 (plus God knows how much in shipping :eek:) for an unseen design that may, or may not, be aesthetically desirable much less may, or may not, have design or QC flaws.

Personally, I'm willing to take a chance, but I can certainly see why most people I've discussed this with will not. I wonder if it will get made at all tbh. Scott seems to have indicated that they need to sell as many pre-orders as 2013 Subs. I remember there was one person on the Org who bought a Sub for himself for every one Sub someone else bought (capped at 30). Is this guy gonna buy 30 CG's at over $200 a pop? Plus, a lot of Subbers have already indicated they may not even buy one. Even Poe Ghostal (toy reviewer and MOTUC collector) is second-guessing himself. It may just be too much for people to afford - and the ongoing service and design problems just add to people's hesitance.

[kup]

Octavia was high up on the list for me but I do want a Scorpia more. I will buy Octavia and hope Kevin makes a cool custom head for her, she is still a cool looking figure as long as Ruben or whoever Scott decides to blame does not screw it up.

[Tallestblue]

Considering I'm in for a Sub next year, I think me getting Grayskull is a foregone conclusion. Loved Snakeface as a kid and more She-Ra characters are awesome, Even if it's not Scorpia.

And all right, Frosta has reversed arms, but at least it's not going to be as labour intensive as Stinkor was, but GODAMMIT

EVERYTIME a new arm part is introduced to the shared parts list it gets F****d up at the factory. I'm baffled to see that management has not realised this yet.

[kup]

Just be careful to check that we don't get Frostas with two right arms or two left arms as you can't really fix that.

[Robzy]

Looking over the 'Power-Con reveals' pictures again (as well as new, close up pics) I do have to admit they look pretty awesome. I'm probably not going to buy either Octavia or Predator Karatti, but I do think they look great! :)

Snake Face just looks so fantastic to me! I'm really excited to pick him up... as a Snake Men fan, I'm elated. I just hope they get around to S-s-squeeze and Tung Lashor before the line ends. Actually, looking at all the pics, the only 2 figures I'm interested in are Snake Face and Ram Man, but the others do look very good. I'm happy for those who want them!

[Hursticon]

Oh god... I think I really need to own that Snake Face! :eek:

Firstly, I'd like to express my appreciation of this thread over the past couple of months; Whilst it has been horribly painful for many of you who've had to contribute to it, it has been rather entertaining for me to read (As an outsider of sorts) and it is for this reason why I'm really torn with Snake Face. :o

Much like FunPub I don't want to support MattyCollector directly whatsoever :mad:, but man... Snake Face's original 80s toy is an image burned into my memory equal to Skeletor, Hordak & He-Man so to own a modern interpretation would be just so friggin' awesome! :D

It just sucks so much saurian-sized reproductive organs that MattyCollector, The Bulls#$%-Guru & whoever this Artard is that has stolen Kup's name, can produce such sweet MOTU figures but are plagued with as much corruptness, deplorable quality insurance & poor customer service as that of Funpub - I simply just don't want to deal with any of that garbage. :(

[Robzy]

Firstly, I'd like to express my appreciation of this thread over the past couple of months; Whilst it has been horribly painful for many of you who've had to contribute to it, it has been rather entertaining for me to read (As an outsider of sorts) and it is for this reason why I'm really torn with Snake Face. :o
Glad you had fun.

Honestly, if you can, buy Snake Face!! :) I gotta be fair, we need a Mattel Bitching thread on this forum instead :p. But it's hard to complain about MOTUC and Matty (and Scott) unless you've been burned by them in some way. The figures themselves (usually) are great! It's the handling of the line that sux, but if you haven't experienced any of the cr@p then don't let us put you off. Apparently lots of people have no issues whatsoever.

[kup]

Apparently lots of people at He-Man.org say that they have no issues whatsoever.

fixed ;)

[Robzy]

fixed ;)
I stand corrected :D:D

[Hursticon]

@Kup & Robzy: Thanks for your advice guys, I'm still really determined to get my hands on that Snake Face figure one way or another & Kal_El has offered to checkout a possible avenue for me - I think I'll be happy with my collection of MOTU effigies once I can add him & Classics Hordak to it, maybe a Greyskull Man too but he's less of a priority. ;):)

[Yukitora]

Just randomly, since i haven't read the posts before this and if i have i don't really know whats happening....

I have that giant plastic box and another filled with he-man stuff and there is a shera castle too... (don't think my mum will part with that one), I don't have the same connection with it as some tf toys and was wondering if there was a good home somewhere else, that would take them. I'm kind yes and no about the whole thing but i don't like them staying in the box. i never really remembered their names. And i don't know about letting Alex play with them. i think that plastic smell scares me. So any advice? Should i display them first for a few days?

[kup]

Just randomly, since i haven't read the posts before this and if i have i don't really know whats happening....

I have that giant plastic box and another filled with he-man stuff and there is a shera castle too... (don't think my mum will part with that one), I don't have the same connection with it as some tf toys and was wondering if there was a good home somewhere else, that would take them. I'm kind yes and no about the whole thing but i don't like them staying in the box. i never really remembered their names. And i don't know about letting Alex play with them. i think that plastic smell scares me. So any advice? Should i display them first for a few days?

Display them first for a few days, get to know the characters again but looking at them and doing some research on the net. I would also suggest watching the 200x cartoon and the 80s She-Ra cartoon.

You never know, it may re-spark your interest.

If you then find that you still don't want them, I am pretty sure you will find people who would want the Masters of the Universe stuff. However the She-Ra stuff would be a lot harder to find a taker as they are essentially 'girl's toys' and a lot of guys would have a complex about it. Parhaps He-Man.org or ebay would be better choice for the Princess of Power stuff as you would be reaching out to a larger and greater audience (just don't criticize Scott or Mattel ;) )

[Yukitora]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/8065158060_4f337c20a3_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84552714@N03/8065158060/) DSC00724 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84552714@N03/8065158060/) by TyranidKisses (http://www.flickr.com/people/84552714@N03/), on Flickr

see here. I almost died getting them out.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8176/8065159822_80f14cc31c_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84552714@N03/8065159822/) DSC00727 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/84552714@N03/8065159822/) by TyranidKisses (http://www.flickr.com/people/84552714@N03/), on Flickr

[kup]

I think that the smell is not plastic rotting but Stinkor who's gimmick is a kind of sweet and bitter bad chemical type smell. You won't die ;)

You have a pretty decent collection there and most of it is MOTU. Some POP dolls but not too much. I was expecting the other way around.

Display them to air them out a bit and get rid of the Stinkor smell (although Stinkor is likely to retain his smell as it's infused in the plastic). Then see if you appreciate them and if not, start selling them.

[Yukitora]

lol Dude. its not Stinkor.
Its headache building.

My shera and frost chick are also green. Maybe that helps. the gold has turned green and frost chick was never really blue, but wasnt an aqua either.

[Tallestblue]

are those NA He-Man vehicles still in good nick? I can remember really badly wanting them as a kid.

[Yukitora]

I don't know. I've never seen them. Its not my collection, I just used them to hold the line for the autobots!

[Hursticon]

Whoa! - That IS a pretty awesome hidden-gem of a collection you've got there Yuki, a little bit from each line of the series too by the looks of things. :eek::cool:

I agree with Kup; display these guys (Even if it is just to air them out ;)) and see what you think of them as they might end up growing on you :), if not then for sure sell them and if you should ever decide to do just that then I'd be very happy to give 80s Snake Face & 200X Trap-Jaw a new home. :D

[kup]

Selling My MOTUC Rattlor - MISB $30

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/generated/Reviews/Rattlor/0__scaled_600.jpg

[Robzy]

Heading to NYCC tomorrow... Anything anyone wants me to tell Scott if I see him? :D:p

[Trent]

Heading to NYCC tomorrow... Anything anyone wants me to tell Scott if I see him? :D:p

Keep up the good work?:p

[Robzy]

A positive start... I like that :p

[kup]

Heading to NYCC tomorrow... Anything anyone wants me to tell Scott if I see him? :D:p

That he is a dick? ;)

Seriously though, I would seriously try to question him on the diving quality while the price has increased (price increase was 'sold' to customers as a reason to add not cut), poor customer service and odd long waiting time for International customers.

Character selection is also questionable and if he sees MOTUC as an avenue to promote himself rather than the brand.

[Sky Shadow]

Heading to NYCC tomorrow... Anything anyone wants me to tell Scott if I see him? :D:p

Tell him his mother is so ugly that she turned Snake Face to stone and gave Scare Glow nightmares.

(Have fun and I hope you don't miss out on Temple Of Darkness Sorceress!)

[Lord_Zed]

Heading to NYCC tomorrow... Anything anyone wants me to tell Scott if I see him? :D:p

Ask him if it's really true he is an emotional vampire who draws sustenance from the frustration of MOTUC fans?

[Sky Shadow]

Anyone who wants a Classics He-Man and Battle Cat for less than $60 shipped should go here (http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.257735000), today only.

[Hursticon]

Anyone who wants a Classics He-Man and Battle Cat for less than $60 shipped should go here (http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.257735000), today only.

I love how the sale starts in one timezone & finishes in another, with a "Typographical Error" for which half of the day the sale ends too - Is it PM or AM?... :confused:

"Who knows? - All part of the Mystery of Matty Collector experience!" :rolleyes:

[Robzy]

Some pics from NYCC 2012... Crappy iPhone pics! :)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8048/8082400222_12e9be1c72_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082400222/)
Procrustus NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082400222/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8051/8082408311_21b18a0e48_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082408311/)
Granamyr NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082408311/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8184/8082488030_c5df36fbc2_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082488030/)
Ram Man packaging NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082488030/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8048/8082403876_13f1365185_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082403876/)
Temple of Darkness Sorceress NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082403876/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8190/8082406690_abcc0e4fd9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082406690/)
Ecto goggles NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082406690/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8196/8082424684_6b66077f02_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082424684/)
Snake Face NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082424684/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8327/8082426416_ebdd4565de_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082426416/)
Jitsu NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082426416/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8047/8082496883_3874cdc164_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082496883/)
Ram Man NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082496883/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8082527550_97332460a8_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082527550/)
DCUC Superpowers Penguin NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082527550/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8473/8082529322_5342ef748a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082529322/)
ToyGuru NYCC 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/robzytmnt/8082529322/) by RobzyTMNT (http://www.flickr.com/people/robzytmnt/), on Flickr

Lots of other photos, but just adding these now!

[fatbot]

Castle Grayskull is up for pre-order: http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/en_US/pd/productID.258165100 does anyone trust Matty enough to get one though?




Castle Grayskull®

Masters of the Universe® Classics
$250.00

Minimum order quantity: 1

Maximum order quantity: 10

Qty Coming Soon

Pre-order Starts: October 16, 2012 9 a.m. PT
Pre-order Ends: January 3, 2013 11:59 p.m. PT

Standing solitary in the desolate lands of Eternia®, the legendary Castle Grayskull® offers sanctuary for He-Man® and those who stand for all that is good. An essential component in the original Masters of the Universe® toy line, this long-awaited icon is finally available for pre-order. Whether you’re a dedicated fan of the original series or new to the Classics line, no collection will truly be complete without Castle Grayskull®!

Our all-new Castle Grayskull® playset is slated for a late 2013 release. Because it’s still in its very earliest stage, the final design is subject (and likely) to change. Why are we offering it for pre-order now and asking you to make a commitment when the design hasn’t been finalized? Because the production cycle for an item like this takes over a year and is extremely costly. If we don’t reach the minimum pre-order goal, we can’t go forward.

So, here’s everything we can tell you at this time. Please read carefully before you make your purchase – if we reach our production goal during the pre-order period, there will be no refunds or exchanges when the product is released.

Product Features

It’s Castle Grayskull®!
Ideally, the set will include everything shown in the “B sheet” product drawings to the left, but please remember these are working drawings and aren’t final yet.
If produced, this will be the largest, most ambitious MOTUC item ever made – the dimensions are expected to be somewhere around 25”h x 26”w x 28”d (subject to change).
The overall sculpt will be based on the original 1981 prototype, with the addition of an extra battle ledge, elongated jaw/face, a removable minaret on top of the dome and more!
Just like the vintage toy, it will be a two-sided foldout but there will be three levels to show off your MOTUC figures (in scale with most of our 6.5” figures). The vintage set only had two levels, but we’ve added another across the top for maximum display options.
Two secret doors – the first, a traditional door that opens out the back, and the second one, a secret brick wall that exits to the outside ledge.
Trap door leading to the dungeon (of course) that has an opening door, plus “locks” and chains to hold one figure.
Throne fits most 6.5” MOTUC figures – who will rule your Castle Grayskull®?
Bat wing jet pack and training device were both cut from the vintage prototype and finally get a chance at production!
Working elevator like the ‘81 prototype had, but we’ve added back the red skull on top that was cut. The elevator goes to all three levels, not just two levels like vintage toy.
Real opening Jawbridge just like you remember, only cooler!
Have Wind Raider? The playset will include an attachment so you can be ready for air-battle at a moment’s notice (and create a complete diorama).
Secret Orb room is hidden inside the dome.
Removable ladder to the roof leads to a blaster and the flag of Castle Grayskull®.
Carrying handle is optional for easy transport or clean display.
Did we mention… it’s Castle Grayskull®!
Ordering Information

Castle Grayskull® will only be produced if the minimum production goal is reached during the pre-order period.
If production goes forward, everyone who pre-orders is guaranteed to receive a playset. Some sets will be available on MattyCollector.com after pre-orders are fulfilled, but the price will be significantly higher and you won’t be guaranteed to get one. If you want one, a pre-order is the best way to ensure you get it.
When you place your order, the card you used will be “pre-authorized” for a zero dollar amount. This pre-authorization simply verifies that the card is valid. You will NOT be charged until the item ships, at which time you’ll be billed for the product, shipping costs, and any taxes/fees.
Please note that because this item is so large, shipping charges will be substantially higher than items we normally sell.
This item is scheduled for late 2013 shipment. We’ll send an email reminder about a month before the product is scheduled to ship. If you need to change your address or credit card information at that time, you’ll have plenty of notice.
If this item reaches the pre-order goal, there will be NO REFUNDS OR EXCHANGES, even if the design or features change. If you place a pre-order, you are committed to the purchase and will be billed when the item ships.
Should we not reach the minimum pre-order goal, your order will simply be canceled (because there’s no charge until it ships, there’s no refund needed).
One last thing… because this is a work-in-progress, features may be added or subtracted from the proposed design, but we can’t confirm anything now. We’re seriously as excited as you are by the prospect of finally having a Castle Grayskull® playset and Mattel will do everything to ensure we can deliver as much value as possible!

[kup]

How much would shipping be for Castle Grayskull from Matty?

[Tallestblue]

I don't Care. Castle Friggin' Grayskull. it's gonna be mine.

[Bidoofdude]

I used to watch a lot of MOTU as a kid, as well as Thundercats and transformers. Pretty much all I knew was He-Man himself and Skeletor. Wish I knew more.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Lol, you'd think they'd have a confirmed design for Greyskull before putting it up for order... At least have a final design on paper/computer ( ?), as opposed to declaring "It may change."

I'd love to see on in the plastic though! It'd be impressive!!

[Sky Shadow]

Shipping on Castle Grayskull brings it up to $357.35US untracked or $371.05US tracked. So it's basically same price as an Encore Fortress Maximus. Ouch.

[Robzy]

I was a little concerned about postage price... I know my Mr Stay Puft cost almost as much as the figure itself in postage... If CG, at $250, costs another $100-150 it will really hurt sales.

They should have stuck with their original price of $200... Just should've made it work somehow! A $300-400 CG is gonna be hard to sell. And if people don't pre-order, it won't get done...

Scott's relying on as many orders as the last Sub numbers.... That won't happen - one guy on the Org bought a Sub for every customer that bought one (capped at 30)... So, is he gonna buy 30 CGs at $250+???? Without postage, that's already $7,500 from one customer :eek:

Or is Scott hoping casual "new" buyers will just magically appear? I thought he didn't want or value Cherry Pickers anymore?! They've made it impossible for casual buyers to join and support the line, but now it looks like they may be relying on them for CG.

Yet another mess!

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

There's no possible way everyone with a sub is going to buy a CG. They are fooling themselves if they think otherwise and if that is true, whoever set that limit should be fired immediately.

Unless the numbers are set up to fail. So for example, later on they can say "Hey, we tried to produce CG, but the support wasn't there so stop whingeing."

Which normally I would immediately ignore, but seeing how they pushed the recent subscription 'offer,' I wouldn't put it past them.:rolleyes:

[Hursticon]

I seriously hope that this thing happens for those of you who want what "Promises" to be all that it says it will; It's be a major landmark in "Fandom Disappointment" if it ends up getting shelved at the last minute. :o

[kup]

I seriously hope that this thing happens for those of you who want what "Promises" to be all that it says it will; It's be a major landmark in "Fandom Disappointment" if it ends up getting shelved at the last minute. :o

Or ends up being painted over black plastic ;)

[Trent]

So how many subs did they end up pushing for next year?

[Robzy]

There's no possible way everyone with a sub is going to buy a CG. They are fooling themselves if they think otherwise and if that is true, whoever set that limit should be fired immediately.

Well, it was Scott who said it in one of his recent videos! ;)



Unless the numbers are set up to fail. So for example, later on they can say "Hey, we tried to produce CG, but the support wasn't there so stop whingeing."

Which normally I would immediately ignore, but seeing how they pushed the recent subscription 'offer,' I wouldn't put it past them.:rolleyes:
I find myself thinking more and more like this too with every "incident" lately. Either way, I can guarantee you one thing... The thermometer will not go above the minimum required point before the cut off date. Matty and Scott love to create panic and a dire situation, where the fans need one more push to make this happen, thus increasing sales magically right at the last second.

Then, just like last time with the Subs, Scott will make a video with a party popper and blowers celebrating what a great job the fans did. Then, a few days later, he will announce that they didn't really sell very well, so now they have to cut some of the cool features... But, hey, we'll all still be so grateful we're getting any type of CG at all right?

[Sharky]

.

Then, just like last time with the Subs, Scott will make a video with a party popper and blowers celebrating what a great job the fans did. Then, a few days later, he will announce that they didn't really sell very well, so now they have to cut some of the cool features... But, hey, we'll all still be so grateful we're getting any type of CG at all right?

CG will end up being a cardboard box that you have to cut holes in and paint yourself!!

[Tallestblue]

Do it now and save yourselves the moolah!!

I mean...Order one dammit, I want a MOTUC Grayskull!!

[kup]

CG will end up being a cardboard box that you have to cut holes in and paint yourself!!

A black cardboard box that you have to paint over yourself (paint not included) :p

[Sharky]

A black cardboard box that you have to paint over yourself (paint not included) :p

But it will come with a pack in of eternias greatest warrior artist Brush-Man with soft as soft can get hair......

[Sky Shadow]

If anyone wants a MISB Battleground Evil-Lyn (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mattel-Masters-Universe-Classics-Battleground-Evil-Lyn-MOTU-He-Man-MOSC-/280995574218?pt=AU_Action_Figures&hash=item416ca431ca), Demo-Man (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mattel-Masters-Universe-Classics-Demo-Man-MOTU-MOTUC-MIB-MISB-He-Man-MOSC-/280995572102?pt=AU_Action_Figures&hash=item416ca42986) or Vykron/Tank Top/Space Ace (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281001936874?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649), then I'm selling them at the links in this sentence. :)

[Hursticon]

Well...

After a revelation, a lot of swearing & 2 hours of buggering around with Computer Software :rolleyes: - I was finally able to watch the 1st 3 Episodes of my newly acquired 200X He-Man DVD Boxset :D; Man oh man is it sweet to see the series in such great resolution & sound clarity, the TV Rips I had 'Torrented/Digitally Relocated' were honestly deplorable in comparison. :cool:
(The set has also alleviated 7Gbs of HDD space in the process :eek:)

[kup]

Well...

After a revelation, a lot of swearing & 2 hours of buggering around with Computer Software :rolleyes: - I was finally able to watch the 1st 3 Episodes of my newly acquired 200X He-Man DVD Boxset :D; Man oh man is it sweet to see the series in such great resolution & sound clarity, the TV Rips I had 'Torrented/Digitally Relocated' were honestly deplorable in comparison. :cool:
(The set has also alleviated 7Gbs of HDD space in the process :eek:)

Why did you go into so much trouble to play them?

[Hursticon]

Why did you go into so much trouble to play them?

See here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=4568&page=251) dude, it'll explain everything. ;)

[kup]

See here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=4568&page=251) dude, it'll explain everything. ;)

I was able to undo the region lock on my DVD players (which I no longer use since they have become obsolete) and have been using the computer which is attached to my TV.

I unlocked them by calling their respective company support, they are obliged by law to give you the unlock region code but that was some years ago.

To get around the region lock with 200x on PC, all I had to do was use VLC and that worked without any tinkering or need to change the actual drive firmware lock. Weird how you had so much trouble but I agree, the entertainment industry is living in the dark ages and refuses to adapt, all that they are doing is encourage piracy by their draconian methods.

[Hursticon]

Weird how you had so much trouble but I agree, the entertainment industry is living in the dark ages and refuses to adapt, all that they are doing is encourage piracy by their draconian methods.

Exactly man, much like 'Retail' they refuse to adapt and do not like the fact that people are catching on to their dodgy methods of squeezing excess money out of the consumer. :mad:

[Tallestblue]

for some reason Mattycollector is refusing to accept my card for a CG preorder. this is troubling, As it's gonna screw with my subscription next year for sure. Godammit it Mattel.

EDIT- Actually it let me preorder Castle Grayskull as long as i bought something. of course the only thing i wanted was the Wind Raider. 70-something bucks. yikes.

[kup]

for some reason Mattycollector is refusing to accept my card for a CG preorder. this is troubling, As it's gonna screw with my subscription next year for sure. Godammit it Mattel.

It may be a blessing in disguise, Matty could hit it with a cost cutting hammer and you end up with very thin painted over black plastic that cracks and breaks hinges after 6 months.

[Tallestblue]

God help mattel if it is. I mean seriously. Promises were made. more than once.

[kup]

There has been wide spread QC issue with the 'Great Unrest' Weapons Pack that comes with the 'missing' accessories for Horde Prime and Draego-Man and Keldor's swords among others.

Apparently a good amount of people (seems 50/50) are receiving what is being termed 'fused' Keldor swords meaning that they are molded as a single piece of plastic and can't separate. This is not necessarily a factory accident in which the plastic was melted together but a completely different 'one piece' mold that was supposed to be only available as a limited exclusive at Power-Con.

Naturally fans are pissed -Those who bought the Weapons Pack don't get detachable Keldor swords that separate into two that were clearly advertised as such. The others who bought the 'Exclusive' fused sword at Power-Con are now finding that it wasn't that exclusive after all.

Problem is that this mess up is rampant - If you return your set to Matty, there is a 50/50 chance (with the related Matty return headaches) you will get another set with fused swords again as the replacement.

From the Org:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?231662-Fused-Keldor-Swords-in-Weapons-Packs!

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

My first thought was, how do you get QC issues on a weapons pack...

And now I see how. Nice one matty:rolleyes:

[Sky Shadow]

Apparently a good amount of people (seems 50/50) are receiving what is being termed 'fused' Keldor swords meaning that they are molded as a single piece of plastic and can't separate.

It's definitely not 50/50, Kup. Most of the new Weapons Paks have the separating swords they were supposed to come with.

[kup]

It's definitely not 50/50, Kup. Most of the new Weapons Paks have the separating swords they were supposed to come with.

I hope that's the case as given that people were complaining about receiving fused swords in that thread at this early stage seemed a little high as orders are just being received. There was even one guy who ordered two packs and both had the fused swords.

Yeah not indicative of 50/50 ratio but having a fair amount of people this early on receiving fused swords, it hints at a possible widespread issue. I hope that is not the case but given how Matty works, it wouldn't surprise me.

[Tallestblue]

Geez, I hope my Weapons pack from Ebay doesn't have this problem.

I guess You'll all know about it...

[kup]

Geez, I hope my Weapons pack from Ebay doesn't have this problem.

I guess You'll all know about it...

As time passes and more people begin to receive their packs we will get a clearer idea on what is the ratio for fused swords. It's not encouraging that this early on there were multiple reports but hopefully it will be as Sky Shadow mentioned and only a small number are affected.

[Tallestblue]

Soo i turns out I ordered two Cy-chops by mistake...would anyone be interested in it?

[kup]

I am thinking of selling my MOTUC Mekaneck. The more I look at him, the more I dislike how it turned out.

Mekaneck did not transfer very well between the 4H and Mattel. Mattel seems to have wanted to get creative with the face and it now looks awkward and awful with a very thin nose and the helm goggles don't properly align with what would be the eyes.

Another fail.

If anyone wants it, let me know.

[Sky Shadow]

Soo i turns out I ordered two Cy-chops by mistake...would anyone be interested in it?

Hey TB - I am potentially interested - let me know how much you want for him or if there is anything here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=323859#post323859) you would like to trade him for.

[Robzy]

Grrrr...

I realise this is a MOTUC thread, so I apologise for what I'm about to post because it's Ghostbuster related. But the fact of the matter is, it's indicative of Mattel's behaviour and what they may ultimately do with MOTUC anyway...

The short of it is, when the Ghostbusters Sub was cancelled (remember, unlike MOTUC or DCUC, we never got a chance to save the line... no thermometers, etc...) Scott/Mattel promised we would still pay the Sub prices for the 2012 figures... $20. Well, that lasted... not very long, because the first figure was listed at $22. So, after some grumblings from fans and the usual BS responses from Scott about production costs, blah, blah, blah, we all moved on and dealt with it.

Scott then promises a "Thank You" gift, which we don't hear anything about for nearly another 6 months (even after repeated ignored questions). Finally, the gift is announced as "being shipped in October"... well, here we are on the 7th of November, and STILL no mention of the gift (a GITD Slimer... Ooooo, wow :rolleyes:).

And to top it off, the final figure on sale this month - Courtroom Ray - is now listed at $25!! Now, this figure has the wrong outfit colours from the movie, and the new Scoleri brother ghost he comes with doesn't match the first one in colour... this is the main reason people will be buying it - to complete the set. Pretty cool, huh? Talk about "high-end collectibles". And I know what you're thinking... Didn't Scott promise they would be $20, but here they are at $25??! Scott's answer to this, again, is low production numbers mean higher costs. All I can say is, we'd better not see any of these things in a clearance sale! :mad:

Here's the final kicker, on the Matty forums, several threads have been started about how unfair this is. There were polls and threads calling for accountability to Matty/Scott's BS! Guess what.... they were either closed or deleted! Hmmm... sound like another forum we know? :rolleyes: One of the Mods at Matty actually wrote "this thread is just a place for a lot of Matty hate" which is why it was closed. Um... if the truth hurts, I guess we'll just hide it or get rid of it, so people can't see how cr@p we are at dealing with our customers!

So, Mattel break promises, Scott acts like a jerk, and the Mods try and hide it and pretend everything's rosie... Ladies and Gentlemen - Welcome to Mattycollector!

It's not just GB fans who are angry. Ask any BTTF fan what they think about the lies/deception over the Hoverboard! DCUC fans have their issues too, as do MOTUC fans (although, these seem to be the only ones that gets any air time). That's partly why I'm posting this here! I'm assuming many of you aren't GB collectors, so you may be totally unaware how much we've been screwed by Matty this year. It's all gone unnoticed, and I think people need to know, because ultimately you can see what a business is really like, not by the way they threat their most important customers, but by how they treat their lowliest of customers.

MOTUC's turn will come soon. And many will be shocked that Mattel will leave everyone hung out to dry! Some of us will have experienced it before :mad:

[kup]

Hopefully Mattel will be bought of by Disney :)

[Sky Shadow]

I'm assuming many of you aren't GB collectors, so you may be totally unaware how much we've been screwed by Matty this year. It's all gone unnoticed, and I think people need to know, because ultimately you can see what a business is really like, not by the way they threat their most important customers, but by how they treat their lowliest of customers.

MOTUC's turn will come soon.

I thought we all thought they'd been screwing us over for years. :) The biggest issue with the Castle Grayskull preorder is that even though it could be great, we know that it could be another Goddess/Hiss/Stinkor/Roboto/Photog/etcetera mistake and not even worth the cost of shipping. I thought I might cave, but no - I don't think Mattel has put any effort into selling this product to me and they don't deserve that much of my money for something that's mostly just going to take up space. I bought a Fortress Maximus instead.

[Robzy]

Sorry for my rant :p but I'm just really angry about the whole thing. It sux to be a Multiple Matty customer... I get screwed several times by them in different toylines :rolleyes: And yes, since I posted above, another thread was deleted from the forums and a new one replaced it... the "Positive" thread :rolleyes: can you believe it??! Anyway, we've been told not to criticize Matty too much so I'm done with that forum. Still can't believe people don't have an issues with being outright lied to. I swear, i think some of those posters are Mattel employees!

Anyway, back to MOTUC... The CG Thermometer is close, but not so close that it's a certainty! What's the bet we have a "miraculous" surge of CG sales in the next 24 hours... :rolleyes: (like some of us have already scripted predicted) or do you think CG won't get made at all?

[kup]

Chances are that they reached their minimum ages ago and they are just holding the thermometer below par so they can squeeze out more sales from the desperate that have already ordered and want the castle to be made.

We know that they are that dodgy.

[Robzy]

Oh, totally! :) That's pretty much what I was saying by "miraculously" getting there at the eleventh hour (just like we always do! :rolleyes:). We never reach the required goals before the deadline, so yeah I think it's total bs too. Hmmm... maybe I should post on the Org that I just ordered 25 of them :D

But, really, I'm just curious if anyone believes this thing won't get made..? I guess there's always a chance.

[Sky Shadow]

If/when it does go through, I'd like to see Toy #$%* explain his way out of why we can't do a similar preorder for a Battle Ram/Sky Sled.

[kup]

If/when it does go through, I'd like to see Toy #$%* explain his way out of why we can't do a similar preorder for a Battle Ram/Sky Sled.

He will give you one of his 'Copy&Paste' responses. The reality clearly is that if he doesn't want it or care for it, it doesn't go forward at all.

[Robzy]

If/when it does go through, I'd like to see Toy #$%* explain his way out of why we can't do a similar preorder for a Battle Ram/Sky Sled.

Man I'd love this. They need to just do pre-orders from now on. The Sub Model is, and has always been, flawed. The last round of sales has demonstrated that it's completely outdated, but Scott being Scott has to externalize the blame... just as he did with Ghostbusters - "The customers are not there"... WRONG, we are here, we just don't want inferior/incorrect products.

It should all be pre-orders from here on in... not just for the BIG items (playsets, vehicles, beasts) but, hell, even the main line too. I don't want Filmation or PoP figures, so buying a Sub is useless for me. The CG pre-order has shown it does work, despite Scott's views to the contrary!


He will give you one of his 'Copy&Paste' responses. The reality clearly is that if he doesn't want it or care for it, it doesn't go forward at all.
"Interesting idea. Nothing to announce right now though"

You're correct: If TG wants it, TG gets it made.

[kup]

8 hours till the miracle 'boost' happens that takes us over the mark. We can then look forward to a video of Scott with his party hat and blower :rolleyes:

[kup]

Anyone want my Filmation King Randor figure for $30?

http://www.he-man.org/assets/images/home_news/motuc-2012-2013-085_1342211861_full.jpg

I also have Rattlor for sale, same price.

[Robzy]

8 hours till the miracle 'boost' happens that takes us over the mark. We can then look forward to a video of Scott with his party hat and blower :rolleyes:
*sigh* According to Scott we have a new term... he calls it the ""can make it" zone" :rolleyes: I'm guessing this is to muddy the water a bit, so they can still produce CG even if it doesn't make it to the Thermometer's minimum line.

And now, it looks like Scott's worried about people placing false orders...



We have a few large orders we need to vet to ensure they are legit before moving the meter. The last thing we want is to announce "we made it" only tonfind out a large order was not true and have to cancel. Hopefully no one is being a Stinkor and ruining it for the rest of us.

[kup]

After that 'checking on possible false orders' BS post from Scott, now I am sure that he has been holding back the thermometer.

The "verifying bulk orders" is the excuse he is using to justify why the thermometer was not updated a lot earlier to reflect that minimum sales were accomplished before the end of the pre-order period.

I find it hard to believe that all the 'bulk orders' just happen to occur in the last couple of hours and that TG is able to verify them just as quickly.

[Robzy]

After that 'checking on possible false orders' BS post from Scott, now I am sure that he has been holding back the thermometer.

The "verifying bulk orders" is the excuse he is using to justify why the thermometer was not updated a lot earlier to reflect that minimum sales were accomplished before the end of the pre-order period.

I find it hard to believe that all the 'bulk orders' just happen to occur in the last couple of hours and that TG is able to verify them just as quickly.
Absolutely! It smells rotten to me too. :cool:

All these 'amazing circumstances' seem to only happen right at the last minute. Must be an exciting place to be.

[fatbot]

The CG preorder closed 10 mins ago, nowhere near the minimum toywanker claims is needed. It'll be interesting to see if the morons claimed they got enough to proceed

[kup]

The CG preorder closed 10 mins ago, nowhere near the minimum toywanker claims is needed. It'll be interesting to see if the morons claimed they got enough to proceed

Remember the magical "bulk orders" that Scott claims happened in the last minute.

I am pretty sure the minimum number was reached days (maybe weeks) ago otherwise TG wouldn't have come up with such bullshit reason to explain why the thermometer was not updated accordingly.

Expect the sudden 'We made it!' announcement soon :rolleyes:

[kurdt_the_goat]

The graph on the site is in no way dynamic, just a jpg they upload whenever they felt like changing it. I agree with general sentiment that it was probably never reflective of actual pre-orders, at any point.

[kup]

The graph on the site is in no way dynamic, just a jpg they upload whenever they felt like changing it. I agree with general sentiment that it was probably never reflective of actual pre-orders, at any point.

Yeah we know that it is manually updated, that's why we also think it is open to deceit given that neither Mattel or Scott have any scruples

[Robzy]

Like I posted on the Org... it's all part of the theatrics. There's no way Scott will miss an opportunity to announce it to the world. Does anyone seriously think that I guy with his ego will just let the fanbase know the result with a thermometer jpeg?!

I love that the preorder page is still up... past the deadline. Some of those Orgers are bordering on dangerous fanatics. They've had giant countdowns to the final second of the sale :eek:... and yet, it's still available to buy :rolleyes: Just goes to show that some of them no nothing of what's actually going on. They just don't understand how they're being played, yet it's so obvious when you look at it. They've become (just like when the Sub sale was on) so obsessive, and almost religious, about the deadlines and thermometer... trying to interpret what it all means at any given moment... stressing one minute, rejoicing the next... trying to convert and persuade people, who have openly expressed that they're concerned about their financial circumstances, in to buying a CG or two (often successfully). It's like a doomsday cult or something.

[kup]

. It's like a doomsday cult or something.

It would be hilarious if the preorder get extended to the 21st of December :D

[kup]

They are indeed all deluded at the Org. Scott is like Benny Hinn in the deep south.

[Robzy]

I don't know why I post on there. I say to myself... "Stay away! Leave them be!" But then I just can't help myself when I read some of the absolute dribble or loony philosophies a few of them have. And so I end up having endless exchanges with half-wits who don't deserve my time or attention :rolleyes::D

[Sky Shadow]

(I'm MC Modulok over there.) So I just posted in the "What Would It Take..." thread:

"The moment I know that Toy Guru no longer works at Mattel, I promise I will order a Castle Grayskull."

This is 100% true.

[kup]

I don't know why I post on there. I say to myself... "Stay away! Leave them be!" But then I just can't help myself when I read some of the absolute dribble or loony philosophies a few of them have. And so I end up having endless exchanges with half-wits who don't deserve my time or attention :rolleyes::D

Because the whole situation is like a train wreck.


(I'm MC Modulok over there.) So I just posted in the "What Would It Take..." thread:

"The moment I know that Toy Guru no longer works at Mattel, I promise I will order a Castle Grayskull."

This is 100% true.

To be frank, that may also inspire me to buy one.

[kup]

As it was expected, Scott was holding back the thermometer to cause people to panic into buying more castles:

http://www.mattycollector.com/DRHM/store?Action=DisplayProductDetailsPage&SiteID=matty&Locale=en_US&Env=BASE&productID=258165100

How did it go from a fair bit below minimum to dramatically exceeding it?
http://news.mattycollector.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/thermometer_you_did_it.jpg

[Robzy]

SURPRISE.... SHOCK... CG's getting made. :eek::eek: We did it... Oooooo, warm fuzzies, let's all hug each other and go singing in the street! :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, I ordered one (as I said I would when it was first announced), but I'm embarrassed to be associated with the way some of those MOTU fans are behaving - both before and after knowing the result!



(I'm MC Modulok over there.) So I just posted in the "What Would It Take..." thread:

"The moment I know that Toy Guru no longer works at Mattel, I promise I will order a Castle Grayskull."

This is 100% true.
Careful... you'll probably get banned for flaming ;)

It's okay, I just went to respond and noticed the last thread I wrote in is closed (every time I post in a thread on Matty or the Org it get's closed) :mad:. I love it when people write "Who cares", and you reply by telling them who cares, and they respond with "Relax". Their attitude is "I've got nothing to say but, damn, I'm gonna say it LOUD!" :rolleyes:


Because the whole situation is like a train wreck.

It's out of hand now. Everyone's acting like they just won WWIII and discovered the cure for cancer. Funny how you can have 3 threads all saying the same thing about celebrating, but you can't do the same thing when pointing out serious issues or problems.

[kup]

Now there is nothing to do but wait till next year when they start showing the solid prototypes that don't really live up to expectations causing some drama.

Then after that we will have to wait until people start receiving the final release piece only to find massive cost cut shortcuts and flaws sparking another drama between the apologists and those that want a product that measures up to what they paid for.

Yeah I am sounding cynical but it's hard to be positive given the history of this brand.

[Robzy]

Yeah, more will go wrong - we can be certain of that!

I just noticed on the Org that someone's calling for a special gift, just for those who bought the castle already*, because...ahem... they are "TRUE FANS". :rolleyes: Yes, he used capitals too!!

So, how does that make those of you who didn't buy CG feel... you know, to find out you're not true fans and all?!

:rolleyes::cool:

*Apparently getting a bonus poster is not enough! Now they want a bonus bonus gift for buying early!

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

They love that term true fans don't they?

Sigh, I was reading through that "We made the numbers" CG thread and wow. I am shocked.

Is foreign postage really at $200 for that thing though? That makes it ridiculously expensive...

[TheFallen]

I don't know how you guys can do it, how you can constantly subject yourselves to the BS that gets spouted on the .org and from the (what I am sure he thinks he should be named) ToyGod.

I will admit, I was honestly concerned about the future of the 2013 sub. I really did think the line was in jeopardy. We all know how that turned out and for that reason I refused to get caught up in the hoopla surrounding the CG preorder.

At the end of all this I do not feel relieved that the preorder has gone through, I feel anger at how it has been mismanaged. I said it a post elsewhere, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I am tired of this guys shenanigans. I want him to go away for good. He has done one thing for the line and that is get it started. He has based his entire self importance on this one thing and has done sweet FA since.

I am tired of seeing everyone report on every single thing he says, especially when it is mostly just something he has recycled. Unfortunately, the legacy of this line will be not be how well the 4H made the figures, it will be how Scott and Mattel screwed up everything else and spent 4+ years propped up by the fandom.

I wish I could just sit back and enjoy the figures and not worry about all the other crap but unfortunately, the only way I can find out the important things about the line is read it on a message board or something because Mattel, Scott, Digital River and Matty Collector don't do diddly squat to notify the customers as to what is going on.

TL;DR? Get rid of Scott and there might be some credibility returned

[Robzy]

They love that term true fans don't they?

Yeah, they do! It's my single most HATED term in any fandom. How can you have true fans? You're either a fan or you're not! :mad: It's really simple... although apparently not simple enough for some vacuous minds over there!

One of the biggest points that seems to be lost on some of these pontificating morons, is the fact that not everyone can afford one of these things. Postage is a b!tch for international customers... so does that mean some Org members believe that ONLY the rich can be "TRUE FANS"? :rolleyes:



Sigh, I was reading through that "We made the numbers" CG thread and wow. I am shocked.

Is foreign postage really at $200 for that thing though? That makes it ridiculously expensive...
It's pretty steep... I'm expecting about $100 :eek: The stupid thing is, I have a friend who also wants one and we decided we would ship together, you know, to save money. Smart idea right? Well, those "smarter" guys and gals over at DR and Matty have a better idea... charge the same amount in postage for each one and offer no bulk discounts... thanks Mattel! :mad: There's no incentive to buy multiples!!



I don't know how you guys can do it, how you can constantly subject yourselves to the BS that gets spouted on the .org and from the (what I am sure he thinks he should be named) ToyGod.
I only do it when I'm wearing my nipple clamps and getting whipped!

I just can't stand watching stupid people being stupid. Yes, I know I should avoid the Org altogether - especially after reading something like Emiliano's latest post (http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/the-toyfare-interview.html) about why Mattel don't like him, (I still can't believe how the Org has facilitated his ostracization) - but I just have a morbid desire to watch the train wreck.



At the end of all this I do not feel relieved that the preorder has gone through, I feel anger at how it has been mismanaged. I said it a post elsewhere, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I am tired of this guys shenanigans.
I'm sure he secretly pretends his real name is He-Ro!



the only way I can find out the important things about the line is read it on a message board or something because Mattel, Scott, Digital River and Matty Collector don't do diddly squat to notify the customers as to what is going on.

There were actually people on the Org complaining, yes complaining, that fans (ie, customers :cool:) weren't doing enough to spread the word about CG. One poster was even angry that more 'fan videos' or 'celebrity appeal videos' weren't made. Except for, Scott's buddy, Pixel-Dan!




I want him to go away for good.
Sounds like a line from a Mafia film... :eek:

:D



I am tired of seeing everyone report on every single thing he says, especially when it is mostly just something he has recycled. Unfortunately, the legacy of this line will be not be how well the 4H made the figures, it will be how Scott and Mattel screwed up everything else and spent 4+ years propped up by the fandom.

Unfortunately the credulous members on the Org seem to lap it up. He is a god to them, and he's certainly done a great job of spinning it that way.

You know, I didn't want to write this, because it seems bitter, but I think I have to. I met Scott at NYCC last month and I have to say - he is as big a jerk in real life as he appears online! I thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt... maybe, just maybe, he might be an okay guy, who is badly misrepresented by his curt and dismissive online persona. So, I stood back and watched him. He reminds me of a guy I know who, when he talks to you, has his eyes darting around the room just in case someone more important comes in to talk to. He wasn't all that interested in chatting to any of the fans, until the cameras went on and he was doing a youtube walkthrough/interview... suddenly he sprang to life, and acted like he does in the videos. That's not how he is when the cameras aren't rolling though. He barely looked at anyone while he was signing autographs, and didn't engage many fans at all - preferring to continue his conversation with writer Tim Seeley. :rolleyes: Maybe planning another godawful story!

I was very underwhelmed, but not surprised. He thinks he's got everyone fooled, but many of us can see through the act.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

There were actually people on the Org complaining, yes complaining, that fans (ie, customers :cool:) weren't doing enough to spread the word about CG. One poster was even angry that more 'fan videos' or 'celebrity appeal videos' weren't made. Except for, Scott's buddy, Pixel-Dan!

Ha ha ha! Really? the only reason I know about the Castle Greyskull is through this board! I frequent various toy forums as well and haven't seen squat bout it anyway. Lametastic.

Pixel dan did a plea video did he? Lol, when I am drunk enough, I might give it a watch for a laugh.

[gekisou]

And this is why I stopped with MOTUC. I started a long time back cos I wanted some of my fave characters in new form (He-Man, Skeletor, Teela, etc) but found it a chore to actually order these toys and when my toys arrive at my doorstep and I've already forgotten I ordered them... you know that's a problem.

Also, I entered the forums at the mattycollector site for a while to check out thought and whether people had the same problems with me. They did and they loved to complain in spectacular style... I think the correct response to people who say 'Matty hates me that's why I'll never get this character' is... 'The world does not revolve around you'.

And then the CG pre-order came out and all I could think about is... 'AWESOME! I should pre-order one'... and then I remembered that it would be expensive to ship... and that as a married man, I can't jutify this to the wife. -_-; So I didn't pre-order CG... but man, the hatred on the forum was ridiculous... with 'Why are people too stupid to understand that they don't get charged til after the number is reached?' Personally, I think its because people are too smart to fall for some of TG's tricks again.

I'm happy that CG is being made, I had the original CG and loved it to death (yes, its gone) and I am happy a new one will be out there at some point but really, people should get over themselves and stop posting hate to other people and generalize it.

Sorry, this is going off tangent. Long and short of it is, I love MOTUC but some of the fans really destroy the experience for me. :(

[Tallestblue]

Temple of Darkness Sorceress is part of Mattycollector's Black Friday sale.

http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/en_US/DisplayShopperDefinedBundlePage/OfferID.32558300409

So...anyone hoping to get should probably go now.

..i bought mine of ebay three weeks ago. :mad:

[Sky Shadow]

Awesome. They have Draego-Man too, for people who want one.

[Sky Shadow]

Apparently Emiliano Santalucia designed Thundertron from Prime. Here's (http://santalux.blogspot.it/search/label/Transformers) a compilation of five of his Transformers-related blog posts including an interesting amalgamation of Bay and G1 Sideswipe.

And does anyone else think that the new Beast Hunters (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-beast-hunters-in-package-images-176341/) toyline seems ridiculously similar to the 200X vs. Snake Men snake hunters one? Right down to the remoulds of existing toys with hilarious accessories?

[Sky Shadow]

This (http://headrobots.com/?p=717) is hilarious.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9746/9option.jpg

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Apparently Emiliano Santalucia designed Thundertron from Prime. Here's (http://santalux.blogspot.it/search/label/Transformers) a compilation of five of his Transformers-related blog posts including an interesting amalgamation of Bay and G1 Sideswipe.

And does anyone else think that the new Beast Hunters (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-beast-hunters-in-package-images-176341/) toyline seems ridiculously similar to the 200X vs. Snake Men snake hunters one? Right down to the remoulds of existing toys with hilarious accessories?

Aaw, sweet, he posted up the concept pics for me! What a champ. Aaaannnnddd an interesting find there as well! :D

Now that you mention it, the Beast hunters and Snakemen line is an eerily familiar concept! Well spotted!

[gekisou]

This (http://headrobots.com/?p=717) is hilarious.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9746/9option.jpg

OMG! That is brilliant!!!

Talkin' about Skeletor, the main antagonist in the Double Dragon Neon tribute game is called Skullomania and sounds like Skeletor. He's brilliant!

[Hursticon]

And does anyone else think that the new Beast Hunters (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-beast-hunters-in-package-images-176341/) toyline seems ridiculously similar to the 200X vs. Snake Men snake hunters one? Right down to the remoulds of existing toys with hilarious accessories?


Now that you mention it, the Beast hunters and Snakemen line is an eerily familiar concept! Well spotted!

Actually yeah, I've felt the very same way but I hope that 'Beast Hunters' will be a little longer lasting than 'Snakemen' ended up being. :o

[Sky Shadow]

Absolutely everything that Matty has is on sale. Go now! http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/en_US/DisplayShopperDefinedBundlePage/OfferID.32558300409

[gekisou]

Sadly, too late for me. The characters I wanted are looooong gone.

[Sky Shadow]

Sadly, too late for me. The characters I wanted are looooong gone.

For anyone who does want anything that Mattel still has in stock, it's never going to get any cheaper than this. (And - unfortunately - if you want any already-released toys that aren't available here (http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/en_US/DisplayShopperDefinedBundlePage/OfferID.32558300409), there's now only the secondary market left.)

[Robzy]

For anyone who does want anything that Mattel still has in stock, it's never going to get any cheaper than this. (And - unfortunately - if you want any already-released toys that aren't available here (http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/en_US/DisplayShopperDefinedBundlePage/OfferID.32558300409), there's now only the secondary market left.)

I agree to an extent, but Matty keep saying stuff is "sold out", and then they have that exact figure on sale again a year later. Sure, I believe some stuff is really gone for good (Zodak, CG Man, Draego Man), but there's other stuff (like Mer Man, Stratos, Vykron, etc...) which Mattel still has dozens of boxes of. My question is, why not just keep selling them at the reduced price? Or, hell, even just sell them at the $22 price continuously until they're all actually gone? :eek::rolleyes: I mean, in your link above, even He-Man was listed as "Sold out" yesterday while the sale was still on, but today he's back in stock...:rolleyes: Why pull him one day, and then put him back on sale the next? Is it just because he was on sale and they'd rather he be $22 then $15? Why put him on sale then? Toyguru said a few weeks ago that not even He-Man's reissue has sold well! They don't have a clue what they're doing. They're so focused on exclusivity with their "Every figure is so popular and in demand that they all sell out in minutes/See, this line is so awesome" mentality. And unless they have another clearance sale, they will be left with so much MOTUC, DC and Ghostbusters stock it's not funny. Yet, apparently, it's all "sold out" just like it always is - until next time.

[Lord_Zed]

I missed out on all the figures I would have been likely to buy........

......fortunately.


Sigh! I am afraid I've lost all faith in this line.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

I missed out on all the figures I would have been likely to buy........

......fortunately.


Sigh! I am afraid I've lost all faith in this line.

Likewise.

Its sad though, I just want a nice Stinkor (correct arms please) and another Scareglow...

just make some more wallys!!!

[kup]

Sale completely flew over my head - That is how interested I am now :rolleyes:

[Tallestblue]

Sale completely flew over my head - That is how interested I am now :rolleyes:

I got Snout Spout and The Faceless one as well, they're really all I'm missing.

asid from Goddess, and the two Giants.

[Robzy]

This is a quick follow up to my previous post (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=325984&postcount=443), where I pointed out some of the low ethics and behaviours of Scott/Mattel in relation to Ghostbusters (but still applies to MOTUC).

Long story short, Courtroom Ray was released at $25 (although promised by Scott to be only $20... maybe $22). We were all angry, but dealt with it. Scott said this was because of "low production" run. He even states right here in a reply to MY QUESTION that (http://forums.mattycollector.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1481027317/m/7851071787)...


If you are holding off on him hoping he will go discount, I can tell you this is your one and only chance to complete your collection

And again...


Also, incidently, due to the very small run on Ray, this will be the only shot to get him. He won't be going back on sale at a discount anytime.

These are SCOTT'S WORDS. You can read them! No paraphrasing! Exact words!!


So...


Imagine our surprise, then, when Courtroom Ray was included as part of the "Black Friday" sale at a whopping 30%-off DISCOUNTED price... :mad::mad::mad: After we (who are trying to support the line) have already bought the figure! :rolleyes::mad:

So, either SCOTT IS A LIAR and WE HAVE PROOF or he's a COMPLETE IDIOT who has NO IDEA about the inner workings of Mattel. :rolleyes: Either way, his answers to questions on ANY Matty Brand are a waste of time! They mean nothing!

He should be fired!

[kup]

After over one month and a half, my subscription and day of sales order finally arrived :rolleyes:

[kurdt_the_goat]

Robzy man, you're really getting worked up!
Time to find some other toyline that deserves your support!

[kup]

Robzy man, you're really getting worked up!
Time to find some other toyline that deserves your support!

Yeah, Although I love MOTU, the way the line has been handled by Scott/Mattel has totally turned me off collecting it.

I am just waiting for my subscription to run out and that would be it for me. I already have a few figures which I don't want and apparently nobody else wants either :rolleyes:

[Robzy]

Robzy man, you're really getting worked up!
Time to find some other toyline that deserves your support!

Nah, I'm not worked up. I'm just refusing to let Scott get away with his cr@p anymore. He's been lying to the fan base/customers for years and people let him get away with it, because we love the figures so much (myself included)! He's got off largely, excuse the pun, Scott Free until the last year or so.

As for finding a new toyline and moving on... well, as far as Ghostbusters is concerned, Mattel have given me no choice :rolleyes: And MOTUC, well I'm pretty much done after Ram Man and Snake Face. I've invested a lot (time and money) in this line, so I want to at least pick up stuff I've been waiting for. But I don't think that's an excuse to just let Scott consistently say one thing and do another!

The only reason I keep pointing out all the unacceptable stuff Mattel and Scott are doing is because I'm trying to save other fans the anguish I've gone through. I simply won't lie down and take it anymore. Scott deserves to have every instance of his deceptive and execrable behaviour documented. If that's annoying people though, I understand, and I won't post here anymore.

[Sky Shadow]

If that's annoying people though, I understand, and I won't post here anymore.

Robzy - please continue to post anything you want. One of the great things about this thread is that we all have a place to honestly vent our issues with Mattel without being moderated or censored.

[Hursticon]

Robzy - please continue to post anything you want. One of the great things about this thread is that we all have a place to honestly vent our issues with Mattel without being moderated or censored.

...And for those on the outside looking in, it's an incredible educational resource with the added benefit of being quite entertaining to boot. ;):cool:
(Admittedly at the expense of other's hardships though :o)

[Sky Shadow]

...And for those on the outside looking in, it's an incredible educational resource with the added benefit of being quite entertaining to boot. ;):cool:
(Admittedly at the expense of other's hardships though :o)

Speaking of which, I forgot to mention that they stuffed up on Monday - Castle Grayskull preorders were selling for something like 40% less, plus 50% off shipping until they fixed it.

And Knob Neitlich posted this:

"4: This is definately last call on all the 30th figures. (Photog through CGM). They will never be offered again."

Does that even make sense? What are they going to do with the leftover Photogs, Spectors, Laser-Lots and Cy-Chops? Melt them down?

[kup]

Robzy - please continue to post anything you want. One of the great things about this thread is that we all have a place to honestly vent our issues with Mattel without being moderated or censored.

Agreed. Robzy, you are simply exercising your freedom to express the truth about Mattel's/Scott's BS. Everyone appreciates it, specially when any criticism (constructive or otherwise) is so harshly moderated in the main MOTU fan board.

[Hursticon]

Speaking of which, I forgot to mention that they stuffed up on Monday - Castle Grayskull preorders were selling for something like 40% less, plus 50% off shipping until they fixed it.

And Knob Neitlich posted this:

"4: This is definately last call on all the 30th figures. (Photog through CGM). They will never be offered again."

Does that even make sense? What are they going to do with the leftover Photogs, Spectors, Laser-Lots and Cy-Chops? Melt them down?

No, it doesn't make sense as that'd be one of the stupidest business practises I've ever heard of if they were to hold back such stock from future sale; I believe though that history teaches us that this is purely Hyperbole to increase sales. ;)