Ozmasters, The MOTU General Discussion Thread. [Archive] - Ozformers Transformers Club of Australia (otca.com.au)

Sky Shadow

23rd February 2012, 07:09 AM

I know we have the "MOTU questions by newbies, and not-so-newbies" thread, but whenever I just feel like talking about Masters, I never feel like there's a proper place for it. So hopefully this will be it.

I've been buying the MOTUC line for... three years now and have never had any of what I consider to be a 'real' problem. It was inevitable that something would happen eventually, and in my case, unfortunately it was with Demo-Man, who (along with Hurricane Hordak) was my equal most-fondly-awaited figure from last year. The problem was that he didn't ship until this year.

I changed my address at MattyCollector back in November 2011. The Demo-Man/Battleground Evil-Lyn order from my subscription was supposed to ship in December last year, but did not ship until January the 19th. And for some reason it was shipped to my old address where I no longer live nor have access to the mail.

So I wrote to Mattycollector about it, and they have been very helpful. They say they will reship the package to the right address. Hopefully all is good. Fingers crossed.

So... has anyone been reading our beloved Toyguru's 'Director's Commentary' blogs? The previous one was surprisingly unawful, and I only had a couple of issues with the current one (http://forums.mattycollector.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4971046837/m/2941015347):

Looking at past collector lines, many had died an early death simply because they burned through characters a bit too quickly. This was especially the case with the 2003 Staction line from NECA.

How the heck did the Stactions "burn through characters"? Because they came three per wave? Seriously, that was my favourite MOTU line ever, and because they concentrated on less 'mainstream' characters than the 200X toys.

When we presented the line up to management, I do remember in particular one of the managers looking at Scareglow (the proposed October figure, until the Mer-Man slip moved him to November) and saying �Scareglow? Really? He was one of the cheap-outs back in the day.� Which is interesting because if you look at the vintage Scareglow wave (Randor, Clamp Champ, Ninjor and Scareglow) they were all pretty much "weapon and a head only" figures.

Um... Ninjor had three weapons, one of which was nunchaku, a spring loaded arm, cloth clothes and a head. And clearly the Sorceress wasn't 'weapon and a head' - she was new... like... everything. And I don't see how a glow-in-the-dark, caped skeleton deco was a "cheap-out" either.

Other than those imaginary-histories-pulled-out-of-Toyguru's-bottom, this week's commentary was... okay. :)

Tallestblue

23rd February 2012, 10:03 AM

Well, I'm crankypants atm as it seems Mattycollector has rejected my order.
I'd thought I'd got myself all the figures from the feb 14 sale but now who knows? I went to bbts and put everything they had into my pile of loot.
not at all happy at paying double for them but at least I'll have them.
Edit-
oh, no they've shipped. yay! and now i can cancel my bbts preorders.

Tetsuwan Convoy

24th February 2012, 10:15 PM

I caved and bought up Photog and Purple cat guy for my Skeletor. I have to admit, despiet losing my Swifty in the mail with kurdt's I ahve been enjouing the MOTUC line. I guess, it has aloowed me to get figures that I would have never gotten before. Although not a serious MOTU fan, I always wanted a Skeletor and He-Man, and now I regret selling my Stinkor and Sy-klone, alhtugh I have replaced Kloney with a MOTUC and will do so again with Stinkor.

Just a shame they use that stupid system with DR with things going on sale all at once. Oh well. Slowly watching my way through POP still and completely enjoying it! :D

Sky Shadow

29th February 2012, 12:00 AM

This guy makes amazing MOTU Lego creations: http://www.mocpages.com/folder.php/32166

Omega Supreme

29th February 2012, 08:58 AM

Those Lego MOTU sets are excellent, glad they arent official though, Id spend way to much :)

Also wanted to ask if anyone here knows of a site with a MOTU checklist for the original toyline? He-Man.org loads a bit slow for me, so hoping to find another site to use.

Sky Shadow

29th February 2012, 10:35 AM

Omega Supreme

29th February 2012, 12:41 PM

I like this one, Omega: http://pages.suddenlink.net/soundwavempl/motuvfigs/motuvfigs.html

Thanks Sky Shadow, exactly what I was after.

Sky Shadow

4th March 2012, 08:07 AM

Massive Matty Sale here:http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/en_US/DisplayShopperDefinedBundlePage/OfferID.649228808 All MOTUC toys are cheaper than when they first went on sale. He-Man and Skeletor are only $15.40 US each!

Tetsuwan Convoy

5th March 2012, 02:11 PM

kup

5th March 2012, 09:52 PM

From He-Man.org:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/He-Bro/P3040091.jpg

Sky Shadow

5th March 2012, 10:04 PM

From He-Man.org:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/He-Bro/P3040091.jpg

They should include a few more Tallstar parts in a weapons pack.

Sky Shadow

9th March 2012, 10:06 PM

Kobra Khan, Webstor, Clawful and Buzz-Off sold at once? It feels like 1984 again. :)

Hursticon

12th March 2012, 09:38 AM

Not sure if you guys are aware, but I've just received a re-tweeted tweet (via Peaugh) stating that apparently Digital River has been compromised and that Credit Card details have been stolen :eek:; a quick search via google to try and find a collaborative link has yielded this (http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?222237-New-Security-Issues-with-Digital-River), but there could be more info elsewhere - I'm just not privy as to where. :o

kurdt_the_goat

12th March 2012, 04:32 PM

Bah! No funds missing but jeez.. first they balls up the delivery of mine and tets' She-Ra and Swiftwind, and now this! Just deleted my credit card details off their system, will never visit again!

Tallestblue

13th March 2012, 01:24 PM

RAAAAAAAARGH! Went to pay for my preodered Shadow Weaver from BBTS and it's been cancelled!

RAAAAAAARRRRGH!!!!!!!

Paulbot

15th March 2012, 08:13 PM

You guys might already have the DVDs, but the casual MOTU fans might want to check out the first 22 episodes, free to watch on Yahoo Plus7 (http://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/he-man-and-the-masters-of-the-universe/).

I started to watched the first one but was disappointed it wasn't an 'origin' story.

Tallestblue

15th March 2012, 09:19 PM

They never actually tell you how Adam becomes He-Man, but "The Diamond Ray of Disappearance" is unoffically the first episode.

Sky Shadow

1st April 2012, 05:21 AM

Why are there so many off-topic items on the OzMasters board? All the moderators need to do their job and get rid of all the posts about robots (except Roboto, the Horde Troopers et al) so this forum can get back to the way it should be. Also, we need more posts in this thread.

Has anyone ever wondered if the beings on Eternia and Etheria are all biologically compatible or - aternatively - does everyone breed with their own 'race'. That is, could the next generation include furry anthropomorphic octopus people if Grizzlor and Octavia had children, or can that just not happen?

...

(Nicely done, Griffin. ;))

Hursticon

2nd April 2012, 10:39 AM

I had to laugh yesterday morning when seeing the 'OZmasters' makeover; Very creative and hilarious indeed! :p:D

Sky Shadow

3rd April 2012, 12:19 AM

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?223077-Travelling-into-the-past-30-years-of-The-Mighty-Spector

Paulbot

7th April 2012, 05:00 PM

Sky Shadow

7th April 2012, 08:18 PM

A new He-Man comic is coming (http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/04/06/dc-comics-he-man-masters-of-the-universe-comic/). Has there every been a good He-Man comic? I used to read my cousin's pack in mini-comics as a kid. I recall liking that presentation of the universe more than the cartoon.

For me, the original minicomics will always be the best and most meaningful MOTU comics. DC's original miniseries and the MVCreations series were both strong. Marvel's Star Comics imprint of MOTU comics was far more miss than hit, but the final two issues - #12 and #13 - were paragons of Masters sequential art:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9588/vintage127full.jpghttp://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9/vintage136fulln.jpg

One of, if not the best, MOTU comics was fanfiction, but done by Emiliano Santalucia who later went on to illustrate the official comic series, boxart, to unofficially help design toys and now works for Hasbro, believe it or not. He's the Don Figueroa of Masters fandom. He made 'Homecoming' as an art student, but it is amazing and can be read here:

http://www.mastersunbound.com/special%20feature/homecoming/homecoming_page1.htm

(It's set on Eternia after The New Adventures of He-Man.)

Sam

8th April 2012, 06:38 PM

One of, if not the best, MOTU comics was fanfiction, but done by Emiliano Santalucia who later went on to illustrate the official comic series, boxart, to unofficially help design toys and now works for Hasbro, believe it or not. He's the Don Figueroa of Masters fandom.

Such an apt comparison. His lineart was so amazingly detailed!

Gutsman Heavy

8th April 2012, 09:49 PM

News of the new comic has re-kindled my interest in MOTU, can't wait!

fatbot

11th April 2012, 08:34 AM

I finally got my March sale order in, with stuff for both The_Damned and myself and bloody Auspost left it in the rain we got on monday, the box is waterlogged, half the figures inside are swimming and the box itself is crushed!:mad: $us195, I'd better get compensated for this!

Gutsman Heavy

11th April 2012, 05:43 PM

Holy crap! yeah you better get comp (god knows they'll be dicks about it) best o' luck man.

Tetsuwan Convoy

19th April 2012, 12:26 AM

Kind of happy and sad at the same time, I was eyeing an Orko and Trikops from this month's Matty sale, but when I got there, they were gone.

Sad I missed. Happy I am not spending the money! :D

Sky Shadow

29th April 2012, 06:00 AM

The 2012 MOTUC exclusive has been revealed, and it's brilliant. For people who haven't read Mastering The Universe or The Power And The Honor Foundation Catalog (both books that should be mandatory texts for hardcore He-Fans), Vycron is based on the He-Man trio - the three toys that Roger Sweet presented at the Mattel concept meeting where Masters was first given the 'go' by the powers that be. For $30 you get the buck with all three interchangeable outfits. So for anyone who's ever wanted to disguise any of their Masters toys as a tank, this is a crucial purchase.

http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/ContentTheme/pbPage.2012_SDCC_products

Tallestblue

29th April 2012, 10:53 AM

...it's not for me. But I know how happy fanfave obscure characters can make people so more power to them.

kup

29th April 2012, 11:39 AM

Tetsuwan Convoy

29th April 2012, 08:22 PM

A lot of people are complaining about it but I also think that it's a clever and fitting idea to commemorate the 30th anniversary of MOTU.
Lol, are you surprised by that?

I think its a neat idea. Kinda like getting a diaclone colouring/version for TF fans in a way.

Don't think I'd buy it though :p

Sky Shadow

29th April 2012, 10:20 PM

The extent to which people on he-man.org who don't like the exclusive are complaining about Vycron is idiotic. It's not in any subscription, so no one is being forced to buy him. It's not like Spector, where if you have a 30th anniversary sub you're stuck with paying for him. It also annoys the crud out of me that idiots have decided that they're 'completists' so they have to have one of everything on display even if they hate it and thus complain to everyone else that they now have to buy three Vycrons. :rolleyes:

Robzy

30th April 2012, 11:36 AM

Well, as I wrote on the org, I think it's a neat idea, but the execution is sloppy and lazy. The designs themselves are very 'un-4H-like' imo.

As for the over the top complaining about Matty and Scott... well, I think it all stems from all the BS he's been feeding us for ages and all the problems we've had lately (QC, Stinkorgate, 10 weeks for int packages to arrive, crappy customer service, etc, etc, etc... :rolleyes:). In many ways, I say more power to them - I can't be bothered pointing out all the times Scott A$$lick lies to us in this line and others (I also collect Ghostbusters, and I can give you a HUGE list of crap we've been asked to put up with:mad:), so I'll just leave it to org members who have the time, gumption and energy to do it for me :)

It also annoys the crud out of me that idiots have decided that they're 'completists' so they have to have one of everything on display even if they hate it and thus complain to everyone else that they now have to buy three Vycrons. :rolleyes:
Well, yes... I can't disagree with that one at all. Those people are effing morons!

Maybe it's my fault... after all, according to Scott, I'm just a low-life, no good, rotten Cherry Picker!

Tallestblue

3rd May 2012, 12:44 PM

morons!

Maybe it's my fault... after all, according to Scott, I'm just a low-life, no good, rotten Cherry Picker!

Us Cherry pickers don't have it so bad. there's Always BBTS which while costing extra only takes under two weeks for delivery and we don't have to put up with the BS of being a subscriber.

kup

3rd May 2012, 01:42 PM

Us Cherry pickers don't have it so bad. there's Always BBTS which while costing extra only takes under two weeks for delivery and we don't have to put up with the BS of being a subscriber.

I am beginning to think that I should have trusted my instincts and remained a Cherry Picker. I have ran into so many troubles since I became a subscriber that it's making me strongly regret it.

The main reason why I went for a sub was Shadow Weaver, with the reasoning that I was liking much of the year's announced line up so I was going to get all anyways (unlike last year's 'muppet heads'). I did not count on an increase of DR shipping/Credit Card foul ups which have gone up 10 levels of bad since last year and massive increase of QC issues plaguing the line.

Can you believe that they are trying to pass the Stinkor reverse forearms as intentional?

Robzy

3rd May 2012, 04:29 PM

Us Cherry pickers don't have it so bad. there's Always BBTS which while costing extra only takes under two weeks for delivery and we don't have to put up with the BS of being a subscriber.
You may be on to something! :)

I am beginning to think that I should have trusted my instincts and remained a Cherry Picker. I have ran into so many troubles since I became a subscriber that it's making me strongly regret it.
Yeah, I've had this discussion dozens of times (in real life and online). Never, never will I buy a MOTUC Sub from Matt-El. Not even if Ram Man is the exclusive figure... I'd rather hunt him down on ebay, than commit to unknown (and possibly unlikeable) figures... such as Scott's Mighty Creation :rolleyes: or Sir-Fails-A-Lot, or even Star Sisters. Hell, I even have the option of skipping Anatomically Incorrect Stinkor (TM) if I want.

Can you believe that they are trying to pass the Stinkor reverse forearms as intentional?
I can believe they are trying... however, I don't believe what they're saying! ;)

Tallestblue

3rd May 2012, 08:55 PM

And Stinkor seemed Perfect. FISTO Perfect.

seriously. Fisto is amazing.

Sky Shadow

3rd May 2012, 09:36 PM

2: Backwards Shoulders on Roboto and King Hssss...

It hasn�t happened since King Hsss almost a year ago and shouldn�t be an issue going forward. ISSUE RESOLVED!

Um... this issue isn't resolved - the shoulders are still reversed and if I recall correctly it was explicitly stated that there would never be 'corrected' releases. Also, it last happened ten months ago. At that point, you had made the same mistake five months before. Not making this specific mistake for ten months really isn't that impressive.

And... we're back to zero months again. ISSUE UNRESOLVED! :rolleyes:

Robzy

3rd May 2012, 09:44 PM

FISTO Perfect.

seriously. Fisto is amazing.
Glad you like him :) Unfortunately, I've got an issue with his head... I think it's too thin/long. The original Fisto had a fat head and a broad nose. This Fisto's head is too long/thin. I actually think it works against the figure, cos it makes him look like his head's too small in proportion to the rest of his body.

Others have noticed this as well, but it doesn't totally ruin the figure, it just bugs me.

~

UPDATE:

I had to post this...
Scott's "Mighty Spector"... delayed! (http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/ContentTheme/pbPage.News#2012MaySaleNewsRem)

Yep, and anyone who buys him (:confused:) or has him in a Sub will have to wait til he arrives... causing delays for your other Sub figures! So much for being the "Master of Time Travel" :rolleyes::D

Seriously, I can picture Scott... alone in his office, after work... he closes his eyes and just sighs heavily upon hearing the news!

They're having a field day with this over at the Org!

Sky Shadow

3rd May 2012, 10:20 PM

Courtesy of the second-most-annoying person involved with the MOTUC franchise, Mosquitor is coming: http://pixel-dan.com/breaking-news-mosquitor-is-coming-to-motu-classics/ and a new fractional image: http://pixel-dan.com/motuc-mosquitor-sneak-peek-2/

kup

3rd May 2012, 10:38 PM

Sky Shadow

4th May 2012, 12:58 AM

lol Why don't you like Pixel Dan?

I don't even really know why - he just induces rage in me. I suspect I may be annoyed by his irrational enthusiasm about just about everything, no matter how insignificant or lame or even bad. If I ever feel the need to watch one of his videos, I have to mute the sound and skip the bits with his face.

Tallestblue

4th May 2012, 10:42 AM

I, for one, Think Pixel Dan and Toyguru would be an adorable couple.

annoying.

but Adorable.

Robzy

15th May 2012, 03:47 PM

kup

15th May 2012, 06:05 PM

Scott's Mighty Spector has this on his wrist band (it was pointed out over on the Org)...

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk199/sunglikeahorse/TMS.jpg

Talk about Sex symbols. Huh? Huh? Anyone? ;):D

:cool:

I still can't believe people are gonna buy multiples of this thing. :eek:

Now you know why he carries the figure in his pocket all the time :rolleyes:

I still think that the screw up that was the 30th line was simply so that Scott could force 'himself' into the line as a MOTU character. Being a palace guard clearly wasn't enough.

kup

15th May 2012, 06:07 PM

Anyone interested in MOTUC Slush Head?

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?224973-MOTU-Classics-Slush-Head-Video-Review-by-Pixel-Dan&p=3022372&viewfull=1#post3022372

$30 + shipping to you (if applicable).

fatbot

17th May 2012, 08:16 PM

Do any of you have the greyskull stands? Do they have pegs for the figures feet?

kup

18th May 2012, 12:21 AM

Do any of you have the greyskull stands? Do they have pegs for the figures feet?

I have 3 sets and they are horribly designed. They can barely keep the figure standing even with the pegs (which they do have). They are also incredibly awkward to display and take much more shelf space than they should. Their 'linking' ability is also pretty horrible.

It's cheap enough to make it worth buying one set to try it out as the paint finish on the Grayskull stands is actually pretty good but that is the only up side to them.

The Snake Mountain stands are horrible beyond believe and even more useless so avoid at all costs. They really cheapened out on the paint job for the final product so not even that makes them worthwhile.

Sky Shadow

19th May 2012, 07:56 AM

I pray they don't stuff this one up - he was one of my very first MOTU figures.

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/6651/imagesemailsingle05.jpg

kup

19th May 2012, 11:14 AM

I never received this email but it does look good.

I am actually expecting problems and stuff ups since that seems to be the theme for the this year.

Tallestblue

19th May 2012, 12:12 PM

Still. Mekanenck.

Sadly I'm POP fan and haveta hang in till Glimmer is made at least but I think a few fans are gonna be jumping ship as soon this guy shows up.

Tetsuwan Convoy

19th May 2012, 06:16 PM

kup

19th May 2012, 06:21 PM

I assume that some one has a Stinkor on their way to them, I'd be very interested in thoughts once he's in hand on well, his hands :p I really wanted Stinkor, being one of the two MOTU figures I owned as a kid, but was saddened by the for arm fiasco. I would like to know if it's as bad as I feel it is.

I have one on the way and I intend to get some white paint and attempt to correct the arms.

What kills me more is the down right lie from Scott about the reversed arms being intentional.

Pretty cool huh? :rolleyes:

kup

30th May 2012, 11:31 AM

Got the paint and I am both anticipating and dreading the arrival of Stinkor.

I will be needing to remove his forearms and hands and attempt to paint over the white skunk stripe and repaint it on the other side...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/WJLarrow/StinkorComparison.jpg

The left is the original 4H design and the right is what Mattel did by 'purposely' reversing the arms. Pretty cool huh? :rolleyes:

Tallestblue

30th May 2012, 11:42 AM

I'm not sure if I want to customise Stinkor when he gets here.

I did swap King Hiss' shoulders...but this seems like a bit more work....

d*r*j*

30th May 2012, 03:12 PM

I'm definately changing mine when it gets here. Changing the plastic around is just heat-pop-swap. I'm not sure how much painting I will be doing, especially since the joint in the shoulder is white and it shows in the black armpits.

kup

30th May 2012, 08:04 PM

This could be useful:

http://he-man.us/Innovations/MOTUC-Customs/FixingStinkor.html

Tallestblue

31st May 2012, 01:33 PM

I think I'd try to remove the black paint, Rather than cover it up, but great link Kup!

Sky Shadow

31st May 2012, 06:19 PM

I think I'd try to remove the black paint, Rather than cover it up, but great link Kup!

Also it would make more sense to remove and switch the hands while the forearms are detached rather than at the end. I'm not sure if I'll be doing this or not - I'll decide once I have Stinkor in hand. I won't be doing any painting or unpainting though - I'd rather the stripe just be on the wrong side than have a home-painted toy.

Robzy

31st May 2012, 08:02 PM

I did swap King Hiss' shoulders...but this seems like a bit more work....
Did you follow a specific guide on how to do it? What's involved? Any tips? :)

kup

31st May 2012, 08:23 PM

Did you follow a specific guide on how to do it? What's involved? Any tips? :)

I did it too. It was somewhat complex due to the shoulders actually being 'correct' from an engineering point of view (It wasn't an assembly error but rather the Mattel engineer who screwed up while converting the 4H sculpt to action figure).

Here is a guide from the same author as the one for Stinkor:

http://he-man.us/Innovations/MOTUC-Customs/FixingKingHssss.html

Tallestblue

1st June 2012, 11:46 PM

Well, i sort of followed my own pattern to swap King Hiss's shoulder, that I can't honestly recommend in good conscience. Basically I used the microwave rather than boiling water. when the plastic was pliable enough i sliced through the shoulder joint, pried off the shoulders, swapped them around, then popped everything back on.

d*r*j*

4th June 2012, 11:53 AM

I fixed 2 king hsss'... the first with the crack and swap method, the internal parts are slightly different so that had to be fixed, can't even remember if I swapped them over or cut the long peg down. Cracking figures is a lot of fun, but can be dangerous and the finished product is never quite the same... to me anyway. The second time I just cut the peg holding the shoulder and swapped the pieces over... didn't even bother glueing the peg back. The second is the method I would use again ... cut it at the back of the shoulder.

Tetsuwan Convoy

7th June 2012, 01:46 PM

kup

7th June 2012, 02:02 PM

Dragon Blaster Skeletor!

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab97/rodpowley/images_Skelotor_Email_05.jpg

Sharky

7th June 2012, 04:21 PM

Dragon Blaster Skeletor

that is very nice

Tallestblue

7th June 2012, 05:06 PM

Very excited for DB Skeletor.

And the Alacala head from Demo-Man and the harness from the first release Skeletor would look awesome on that body

Sky Shadow

7th June 2012, 07:04 PM

Very nice - I like the new touches to the Skeletor buck. My only issue (and I understand why they did it from a moulding POV) is that considering it's Dragon Blaster Skeletor, Skelly's dragon can't blast anything without blowing off his own teeth (but he's removable - very cool if that means he detaches from the back armour and is a dragon accessory a la Cringer.) I have a fondness for vintage DBS and this has lived up to it, including the 'real' chains.

(Wow - in two posts it will be my five thousandth...)

Hursticon

8th June 2012, 03:42 PM

I was just having a quick look on the online portion of Channel 7's PLus7 or whatever they call it on my PS3, and I spied and episode of MOTU from the 80s!! Episode 43 I think it was.

Howsabout that hey??

Ooh! - I'll have to check that out, I wonder what other hidden gems it might contain? :cool:

Dragon Blaster Skeletor!

*snip*

Holy crap that is awesome! :eek:
I have to admit, I'm somewhat tempted by that... Quite a bit actually. :cool:

Tetsuwan Convoy

8th June 2012, 04:46 PM

I Like DB Skeletors new Booties! The chain is pretty cool, but I will say this, Let's hope Skeletor has trained that thing well, coz his head is within MUNCH distance!

Was there an equivalent He-man as well?

Sky Shadow

9th June 2012, 07:39 PM

Was there an equivalent He-man as well?

The equivalent He-Man was Thunder Punch. The corresponding vintage 'leader' toys went:

1982. He-Man and Skeletor.
1984. Battle-Armor He-Man and Battle-Armor Skeletor.
1985. Thunder Punch He-Man, Dragon Blaster Skeletor, Hordak, She-Ra, Catra.
1986. Flying Fists He-Man, Terror Claws Skeletor, Hurricane Hordak, Starburst She-Ra, Scratchin' Sound Catra.
1987. Buzz Saw Hordak, Bubble Power She-Ra, Shower Power Catra.
1988. Laser Power He-Man, Laser Light Skeletor.
1989. New Adventures He-Man, NA Skeletor.
1990. Battle Punch He-Man, Disk Of Doom Skeletor.
1992. NA Thunder Punch He-Man, Battle Blade Skeletor.

SpeedBreaker

23rd June 2012, 11:51 AM

I was just having a quick look on the online portion of Channel 7's PLus7 or whatever they call it on my PS3, and I spied and episode of MOTU from the 80s!! Episode 43 I think it was.

Howsabout that hey??

I've been catching up with the old MotU cartoon for a while there, I haven't seen it since I was a kid. Very cheesy but fun. :D

There are 49 eps. up so far:
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/he-man-and-the-masters-of-the-universe/

kup

8th July 2012, 09:06 PM

I have started to fix the 'Pretty cool, huh?' Stinkor reversed arms. The pins were much easier to remove than anticipated but then I discovered that the extra 200x Stinkor head had crappily applied paint on his head :rolleyes:

I had to fix his eye brows and nose which one side had an excess of white paint making it thicker and changing his expression to something weird rather than menacing. Also the head stripe 'leans' to one side so it doesn't exactly run straight to the back of his head..

From the massive paint omissions in Horde Prime, to these defects with Stinkor, is there no Official toy company that cares about quality and a good customer experience anymore? Very frustrating.

Tetsuwan Convoy

10th July 2012, 06:55 PM

I was chatting about good stuff from the 80s with a friend and I nudged the conversation onto He-man and Transformers. Then he joked about the name He-man.

Any info around as to how/why the name "He-man" was settled upon (Aside from the obvious manliness (times two) and muscles)? :p

Sky Shadow

11th July 2012, 05:03 AM

Any info around as to how/why the name "He-man" was settled upon (Aside from the obvious manliness (times two) and muscles)? :p

Roger Sweet was into bodybuilding and thought He-Man was a good generic name like Action Man, so the character could be (and do) anything. As long as it was manly. His original pitch to the Mattel bigwigs was the He-Man Trio, the 'three' Vykron toys being released this week at SDCC:

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/5016/vyrkon03.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9898/vyrkon02.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3241/vyrkon01.jpg

Original pitch -> Emiliano Santalucia's interpretation -> Final Vykron toy.

Sky Shadow

12th July 2012, 05:55 PM

Re: The SDCC revelations so far...

Granamyr is shite and not worth even a fraction of $80, but the Great Unrest Weapons Pak is brilliant. Also, I love the way that they've turned the nadir that is Spector into something brilliant by making him UK comics Horde Prime.

fatbot

13th July 2012, 03:55 PM

2013 Club Eternia Figures January - March

January: Netossa�

February: Jitsu�

March: Fang Man�

Club-Exclusive Figure: Song Master�

Who the hell is Song Master?

Sky Shadow

13th July 2012, 06:07 PM

Who the hell is Song Master?

That list's not real, Fatbot. Last year they accidentally posted the list, then tried to cover it up by posting 'fake reveals' like this. This year they've just continued the trend for fun and to generate interest. Song Master would be Songster: http://io9.com/5901792/meet-he+mans-super+obscure-glam-metal-buddy-songster The previous lists were:

January: Glimmer�/Rio Blast�
February: Clamp Champ�/Plundar�
March: Hydron�/Spinerella�
Club-Exclusive Figure: King Miro�/He-Man 2.0�

I'd be happy with any of the monthlies, but both those Club Exclusives are awful - they have to have something better than those two if they want to sell subscriptions. Song Master, however, would be awesome. :p

Hursticon

13th July 2012, 10:37 PM

Oh my god! that guy has a tank for a face - A Tank For A Face!!! :eek::D
That's some cool history though behind the line, I never knew about the original pitch & such so these sorts of figures being released kind of hit me on that vestigial level. ;):cool:

Sky Shadow

14th July 2012, 12:39 AM

Um... I assumed this too was a joke but people are taking it seriously. Castle Grayskullman...

(If it is real, the boots and Grayskull flag swords are great.)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6605/dsc0146fullsizeimages.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8149/dsc0142fullsizeimages.jpg

MOTUC �Create a Character� Contest Winner Revealed

Posted by Admin on July 13th, 2012

He-Fans and She-Ravers,

After almost one year and over 1,300 entries, we have a winner of our Masters of the Universe� Create a Character Contest!

During the Mattypalooza fan panel at SDCC it was revealed that �Castle Grayskullman,� created by Daniel Benedict, was chosen as the top entry and will be made into an actual figure available this fall as part of the 30th Anniversary line.

The contest gave fans the opportunity to create a new MOTUC character based on bucks from existing 6� figures. It was the perfect chance for them to let their creativity shine.

The panel of eight judges included members of Mattel�s marketing, entertainment, packaging, and design departments. They evaluated each entry, looking for concepts that had an original name and look, used approximately 50% shared parts, were easily translated into a toy, and fit into the world of MOTU. Daniel�s �Castle Grayskullman� wowed the judges, cleverly incorporating details from the vintage Castle Grayskull� Playset.

The big announcement was made during the SDCC fan panel, where new art created specifically for Daniel�s concept was also revealed. In addition, Daniel will receive a 2013 Club Eternia� subscription, and he will be interviewed for an article right here on MattyCollector.com. Best of all, he�ll have lifelong bragging rights as creator of a new MOTUC character!

In addition to the winning entry, five runner-ups were also announced during the SDCC fan panel, and each of them will also receive a 2013 club subscription.

We congratulate Daniel and the runner-ups, and thank everyone who submitted for an incredible turnout!

�Matty

P.S. Per the contest�s Official Rules and entry form, all entries remain the sole property of Mattel and may not be used or posted by anyone else (including any entrant), in any way, for any purpose.

Hursticon

14th July 2012, 01:05 AM

Oh man, that is a seriously cool concept & figure if it actually sees the light of day within the next 30 years - I'd damn grab a Castle Greyskullman! :eek::D

Tallestblue

14th July 2012, 04:41 AM

Jesus Christ, Castle Grayskullman is friggin' TERRIFYING.

I imagine hordes of those things pouring out of castle grayskull, screaming like Banshees and slaughtering Skeletor's minions as an absolute last defense.

*shudder.*

Sky Shadow

14th July 2012, 05:25 AM

MOTUC 'reveals' as they happen....

http://www.toyark.com/news/san-diego-comic-con-58/sdcc-2012-mattypalooza-motu-dc-gb-panel-live-6051/

September - Mekaneck, Dragon Blaster Skeletor and the Snake Men two-pack.

October - Frosta, Rattlor (he still rattles!) and... some stickers, the new Weapons Pak and... um... Cy-Chop?

November - Dekker, Filmation King Randor and the aforementioned Castle Grayskullman.

December - Mosquitor, Procrustus (Hell yeah!), Temple of Darkness Sorceress and lame Granamyr.

The 2013 prices go up to $25 for a subscriber and $27 for pick and mixers.

January - Netossa and Ram Man (looking fantastically vintage, and extra-wide for $30).

February - Jitsu.

March - Fang Man. And King He-Man for the subcription figure (surprisingly fricking cool), who comes with a Skeletor origin minicomic and map of Subternia.

The second quarter we have the brilliant Fighting Foe-Men... Dittstoryer, Shield Maiden Sherrlyn and Dawg-O-Tor - all based on vintage vehicles and their pilots - the model Roton pilot is one I've wanted since I was a kid.

We vote for the November figure - white astronaut Marlena, Evil Lyn in a cloak, Geldor, Minicomic Trap Jaw, Illumina, Songster, Camo Kahn or the demon from Masks Of Power.

The travelling convention exclusive is Strobo (squeee!) with Zodak's maskless head.

Okay, so the big highlights for me are Strobo, the Roton and Attak Trak pilots, Temple of Darkness Sorceress and Procrustus - toys I've always wanted which never existed. In terms of remakes, Ram Man is extremely well-done and Rattlor and Mekaneck are both fabulous. King He-Man is a strong sub exclusive. Cy-Chop, Dekker and Granamyr are the low points for me. Rating the new 'reveals' from best to worst, I'd say:

Strobo - 10
Fighting Foe Men (Dittstoryer, Shield Maiden Sherrlyn and Dawg-O-Tor) - 9.5
Procrustus - 9
King He-Man - 8.5
Ram Man - 8
Rattlor - 7.5
Jitsu - 7
Castle Grayskullman - 6
Netossa - 5
Mosquitor - 4
Eternos Palace King Randor - 3
Fang Man - 2
Granamyr - 1 (I just found out that he's not part of the subscription. Hurray!)
Cy-Chop - 0.5
Dekker - 0

For people who aren't familiar with the 'Fighting Foe Men', they're from the boxart of the Monogram MOTU kits, which were quite common at Aussie model shops back in the day:

http://www.planeteternia.de/cgi-bin/news.pl?newID=561;sprID=1
http://www.planeteternia.de/cgi-bin/news.pl?sprID=1;newID=563
http://www.planeteternia.de/cgi-bin/news.pl?sprID=1;newID=562

My montage of the best 'reveals', thanks to http://www.toyark.com/

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8896/motuc.jpg

kup

14th July 2012, 10:05 AM

The line up isn't bad but I am not terribly impressed to go through the nightmare that is the sub again.

Frosta - Looks good, they improved the face from the prototype.

Rattlor - On the fence, will probably pass unless a new head or chest harness is added.

Higuchi's figure - Looks ok but not interested.

Dekker - Awesome! More 200x unique characters please!

Randor - Don't care, would not buy it but I am stuck with it.

Castle Grayskullman - Interesting and impressive.

Mosquitor - Lame! He should of had more 200x features. Plus the whole 'Pixel Dan & Scott Bromance' killed it for me.

Procustus - Don't know much about this character since I have not read the DC comic but I really do like the concept of him as an Eternian God.

Granamyr - Super lame.

Netossa - Don't know much about her but they should have gone with one of the more prominent PoP characters like the ever neglected Glimmer. At least she is not as obscure as the Pointless sisters and does add to the almost non-existing Great Rebellion numbers.

Ram-Man - Not bad, certainly an interesting sculpt. He looks like a giant Dwarf but don't like the closed eyes.

Jitsu - Looks really good.

Fang Man - Don't care for goofy Filmation characters.

Fighting Foe Men - Not interested.

Strobo - Not interested.

King He-Man - Looks good but not interested enough to get a sub for it.

Overall, some hits and some misses for me. 2012 had a stronger line up but even so, I got stuck with super poor customer service, Matty mistakes and a few lame figures that I wouldn't have bought otherwise.

2013 seems good enough to Cherry Pick but certainly not good enough to get a sub. I am not impressed by the exclusive to go the extra mile like last year.

Sky Shadow

14th July 2012, 05:52 PM

Procustus - Don't know much about this character since I have not read the DC comic but I really do like the concept of him as an Eternian God.

Procrustus was from the minicomic The Magic Stealer, that came with Mekaneck and 'The Original' Skeletor. He is awesome - pretty much Atlas to He-Man's Hercules:

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1474/mstealer0708full.jpg

Although the comic's much funnier in Spanish:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3436/vintage10mxcontent09ful.jpg

�UUGGGG! :p

Robzy

14th July 2012, 11:40 PM

screaming like Banshees
Lol... was that a "Night of the Creeps" reference? ;):cool:

My thoughts...
I love Rattlor, Ram Man & Procrustus! But then, they've always been figures I wanted in this line!

On the fence about Mosquitor and Jitsu. The rest are very meh!

The second quarter we have the brilliant Fighting Foe-Men
I'll admit... these are pretty interesting!

The 2013 prices go up to $25 for a subscriber and $27 for pick and mixers.
This and the fact that Subbies buy before DOS buyers (so, stock could be sold out) will make me a far more picky cherry picker! Sub or die... thanks Scott... keep on pushing customers away!

Mosquitor - Lame! He should of had more 200x features. Plus the whole 'Pixel Dan & Scott Bromance' killed it for me.
Right on! They're both trying way to hard and it's become sickening. Not sure if I trust Dan's reviews to be unbiased anymore!! God, even Scott was wearing one of Dan's "comparison time" shirts.

2013 seems good enough to Cherry Pick but certainly not good enough to get a sub.
That's if there are figures available online of course... after the Subbies become Scalp-ors! Not to mention the whole new "won't refund lost items" for int customers scheme they're implementing.

kup

15th July 2012, 09:40 AM

That's if there are figures available online of course... after the Subbies become Scalp-ors! Not to mention the whole new "won't refund lost items" for int customers scheme they're implementing.

They have literally killed the line for International customers with this. With the current pricing and ever decreasing quality and lack of QC, it was already questionable if collecting MOTUC was worth it.

Now that they have increased the price by $10 making each figure $40 with continuing to deteriorate material quality and QC, it is now a rip off if you are an International customer. On top of that, they spit in our faces by allowing subbers to 'pick the loot' before sales time making sure that the Cherry Pickers have almost no chance of getting the higher demand figures.

Looks like that's that for me and MOTUC. I may get one or two figures next year (assuming they don't get looted by the subbers) and that would be it.

Scott is literally the worse thing that has ever happened to MOTU and is sad to see how many people mindlessly support and apologize for him (and Mattel) despite so much abuse.

kup

15th July 2012, 11:24 AM

Procrustus was from the minicomic The Magic Stealer, that came with Mekaneck and 'The Original' Skeletor. He is awesome - pretty much Atlas to He-Man's Hercules:

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1474/mstealer0708full.jpg

Although the comic's much funnier in Spanish:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3436/vintage10mxcontent09ful.jpg

�UUGGGG! :p

Thanks! :)

kurdt_the_goat

15th July 2012, 02:07 PM

I haven't bought a MOTUC since i was boned over by not receiving Bubble Power She-Ra & Swiftwind... Tho i like Jitsu and Ram Man of this bunch, i doubt i can bring myself to buy them. The prices are becoming ludicrous considering most of them are still running off existing tooling. The new TMNT classic figures have more articulation and are almost half the price from a smaller company!

kup

15th July 2012, 02:31 PM

Tetsuwan Convoy

15th July 2012, 04:01 PM

Ram-man looks good. But I don't think I wanna pay that much for him. I was a bit annoyed with the QC on my Photog and my Bubble She-ra and Swifty got lost with Kurdts. Since they dont seem to want o/s money anymore, I am gonna keep it.

More for other toys, like TMNT and FOC!:D

Plus I don't know most of those characters slated for release... All I recognised, were Fisto, Frosta, king Randor (Cool puffy sleeves though), Mosquiotor, Ram man and some black haired he-man ( ? ). All the rest no idea...

And Pixel Dan, yeh. When has he properly criticised a MOTUC figure? He just seems to love any old trash that they bust out. Obviously has been corrupted by all that free Plastic crack he's been given.

Sharky

16th July 2012, 12:30 PM

has anyone been reading the DC Digital Comic at all?

2 Issues so far

Issue #1 - The Lost Knight
Issue #2 - Man-At-Arms

Sky Shadow

16th July 2012, 05:39 PM

has anyone been reading the DC Digital Comic at all?

2 Issues so far

Issue #1 - The Lost Knight
Issue #2 - Man-At-Arms

I have. My 'review' of issue 1 was here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=305844&postcount=990).

Issue 2 was really a short story about magic versus technology, which is quite appropriate for the MOTUniverse. The portrayal of the Sorceress was clearly written and illustrated by geeky men fantasising. It was pretty much "ooh... Duncan's coming over - I'll just unzip my clothes down to my crotch and beg him to let me 'heal' him." But Man-At-Arms was too noble to fall for the lusty temptress. This time.

Also, why didn't he fly a Wind Raider? It's a MOTU and MOTUC vehicle with a winch - exactly what was needed. Way too much genericness in this issue rather than Masters imagery.

Robzy

16th July 2012, 11:23 PM

kup

16th July 2012, 11:34 PM

Man, I just have to vent about the Org. That place is a shambles. :rolleyes: Infractions are handed out willy nilly to people who are snarky, or just post a link to something in a comment (yes, really!!)... but it's perfectly fine to be an utter pr!ck, flame people, and insult lifestyle choices. I can't, for the life of me, see any consistency from the Mods... there seem to be conflicting rules and standards. It's a mess!

Nothing's happened to me personally, but I just had to post something. I was reading a few threads just now, and the way people behave on there to one another is disgraceful. I would actively encourage people NOT to join that forum - it's a terrible experience!

The Org has deteriorated into something I don't like and can be a bit shameful. They forced Emiliano out just because he spoke his mind against Mattel practices. The whole place now works as a weird totalitarian state in which freedom of expression is managed and control.

Here, read all about it:

http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/sea-of-negativity-1-its-easy-to-say.html

Robzy

17th July 2012, 12:15 AM

The Org has deteriorated into something I don't like and can be a bit shameful. They forced Emiliano out just because he spoke his mind against Mattel practices. The whole place now works as a weird totalitarian state in which freedom of expression is managed and control.

Here, read all about it:

http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/sea-of-negativity-1-its-easy-to-say.html
Wow, that's sad! :( What a joke the Org is. :mad: It's like they're an arm of Mattel now. Surely they must see their hypocrisy?

Edit: Thanks for posting the link, Kup. I'm gonna share it around! :mad:

kup

17th July 2012, 03:26 PM

Yeah it's pretty bad what they did to Emiliano and I think that it was motivated by Mattel (Scott) as the admin and mods of the Org are just tools:

Reasons given for these measures are my critiques about Mattel's representatives actions over the years. In general my removal should "set the right tone with Mattel" as my opinions are seen as detrimental for the good of the fan community.

http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/removed-from-he-manorg.html

Basically, they just booted Emiliano because he criticized Scott's actions and management of the line and due to his high standing in the fan community, Scott/Mattel probably saw him as a threat and had him kicked out.

I know that I should be saying 'Mattel' instead of Scott but we all know how his ego works and how he runs the whole show when it comes to MOTU.

Robzy

18th July 2012, 03:36 PM

It's fascinating!

I'm so over Scott and his BS. I don't have any time for him anymore (not that I've had much in the past 2 years anyway), but I simply don't believe a goddam word he says. I agree with you Kup - he's the worst thing that's ever happened to MOTU, and he's made me start to question even collecting the classic line anymore. I'll pick up a couple next year, but I'm close to done now. It amazes me how many people share these sentiments... the general feeling toward Scott and the Org on many forums and facebook is overwhelmingly negative!

Robzy

20th July 2012, 03:01 PM

Wow... Scott must be desperate! (http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=241&itemid=18952)

And through fear we shall govern!

:rolleyes:

kup

20th July 2012, 04:39 PM

Wow... Scott must be desperate! (http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=241&itemid=18952)

And through fear we shall govern!

:rolleyes:

Where do they get this "high end" crap? For a line that is exclusively dependent on the re-use of parts and cheapening out on paint jobs and accessories, it sure doesn't seem very high end to me. You can get better quality figures from other companies that are better value with unique sculpts and superior paint apps.

They are just trying to profit at the expense of consumers and Scott is a selfish SOB who exploits his position for personal reasons without any thought to customers.

I think that's the death knell of MOTUC. Scott/Mattel have managed to kill the line through sheer greed and stupidity unless the masses don't mind being exploited and abused for another year.

kup

20th July 2012, 08:32 PM

Finally finished fixing up my Stinkor so that is closer to what the 4H intended:

http://kupscigar.com/collection2012/stinkor1.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/collection2012/stinkor2.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/collection2012/stinkor3.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/collection2012/stinkor4.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/collection2012/stinkor5.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/collection2012/stinkor6.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/collection2012/stinkor7.JPG

It was a lot harder than I thought as I kept ruining the paint while trying to re-assemble the arm! It is strongly suggested that you only paint it once the arms are in place although this limits some access and risks of a mishap increases.

gamblor916

20th July 2012, 08:42 PM

'High end' made me laugh :D

kup

20th July 2012, 09:59 PM

'High end' made me laugh :D

So 'High End' that they sell you figures with reversed arms!

Robzy

20th July 2012, 10:53 PM

I think that's the death knell of MOTUC. Scott/Mattel have managed to kill the line through sheer greed and stupidity unless the masses don't mind being exploited and abused for another year.
Yeah, sadly, I have to agree... the writing's definitely on the wall. I saw this same crap from him last year with Ghostbusters. :mad::rolleyes:

Finally finished fixing up my Stinkor so that is closer to what the 4H intended:
Nice Kup! :)

Sky Shadow

21st July 2012, 04:52 AM

This (http://youtu.be/NTWsmdSAzjs) is hilarious and disturbing, from Masque (Daniel Benedict, who invented Castle Grayskullman.)

It makes... slightly more sense with CG's bio:

Castle Grayskullman - Heroic Embodiment of Castle Grayskull
Real Name: Not Applicable

During the Second Ultimate Battleground, Hordak and King Hsss' grand army pressed in against the allied heroes of Eternia. In the darkest moment of battle, all hope seemed lost as many heroes fell, including Snake Man-At-Arms and Stratos. Reaching out through the Orb of Power, hidden deep inside Castle Grayskull, He-Man and the new Sorceress used an unrepeatable spell to call upon the Power of Grayskull and infuse life into the very spirit of the castle itself. Rising from the castle's hidden Chamber of Defense, Castle Grayskullman marched into battle, swinging his dual swords of power, helping to turn the tide.

Sky Shadow

21st July 2012, 05:37 AM

So... the implication is that 'Cherry pickers' won't actually get a chance to pick any cherries unless they sell enough subscriptions.

PS: While we are only metering DCU�s sub, all of the subs are technically on the chopping block now (including MOTUC). If we don�t receive the minimum number of orders, any figures already tooled may be released quarterly but the full year can potentially be canceled (much as we unfortunately had to do for Ghostbusters in 2012). So again, if these are toy lines you love, the best way to support them and guarantee your figures (and that the lines actually go forward) is to subscribe. Without the minimum number of subscribers, none of our lines will be able to move forward. If you are on the fence and we have a toy line you love, subscribe to see it continue! Your sub purchase is your vote for more toys. Simple as that

fatbot

21st July 2012, 08:50 AM

He's full of shit, the line would be fine if they conquered the shitty QC & substandard customer service + gave us what we wanted.

Tallestblue

21st July 2012, 03:21 PM

Once again more strong arming to get us to sub, which i flat out refuse to do.

I preorder from BBTS. It's not cheaper, but it's a standardised price as opposed to Ebay and I know shipping is fast and have never had a problem getting them here.

TheFallen

22nd July 2012, 11:51 AM

I love these figures, they are the cornerstone of my collection and I have an entire room dedicated to display them. I bought my two subs and I am even contemplating a third but this line has been managed so poorly that it isn't funny any more.

A few months ago I would have called myself a matty apologist but looking at the big picture I can see just how much TG has bungled his way through this far.

DCUC and MOTUC were held afloat by their respective fandoms and the sculptors/designers. The only thing that Scott can get credit for is bullshitting his way past upper management to show he is the mastermind of the success of the brand. I look at it no differently as the way he has bullshitted the fandom who have supported this line.

There is no, he is a fan first and foremost. That is a load of crap. He is an employee of Mattel first and foremost and one with a huge superiority complex.

Earlier this year, he stated that he is pushing for a natural progression of the mythos which would now focus on the King He-Man era, the same era that features his Gary Stu character. The man has a God complex. For every good he has done he has done just as much bad.

:End Rant:

Robzy

22nd July 2012, 10:09 PM

This was posted on fb, but I reckon it's worth sharing...

Killin teh lein (http://vertigoinks.blogspot.it/2012/07/killin-teh-lien-or-why-scott-neitlich.html)

Sky Shadow

22nd July 2012, 10:33 PM

This was posted on fb, but I reckon it's worth sharing...

Killin teh lein (http://vertigoinks.blogspot.it/2012/07/killin-teh-lien-or-why-scott-neitlich.html)

Vertigoink is almost as much of a knob as Toyguru. He continually claimed that Castle Grayskullman was plagiarised and specifically went out of his way to be responsible for ensuring that that the guy who created Gangstor was disqualified: http://forums.mattycollector.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&f=5681027317&m=9771018567&r=3241056667#3241056667

He-Man.org is absolutely moronic at the moment - the entire site is just people giving their idiotic opinions on how to 'safe teh lein!' Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that Toyguru is just trying to sell subscriptions with the panic he's creating, so they should all either shut up and buy a subscription or just wait patiently for two weeks when we'll find out that 'teh lein' is absolutely fine and go about their cherry picking. :rolleyes:

TheFallen

22nd July 2012, 10:43 PM

Robzy and I have started a blog, Misspent Adulthood (www.misspentadulthood.com) and I have just completed my first post; Sucker Punch! - A MOTUC photo story (http://www.misspentadulthood.com/2012/07/motuc-sucker-punch.html)

Here is a teaser picture
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj221/TheFallenTonyStone/Misspent%20Adulthood/MOTUC%20-%20Fisto%20vs%20Clawful/0301-1.jpg

kup

22nd July 2012, 10:43 PM

Battered Wife Syndrome:

Additionally, repeated cycles of violence and reconciliation can result in the following beliefs and attitudes:

The abused thinks that the violence was his or her fault - It's not Scott's fault, it's ours for not buying enough subs!

The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the violence elsewhere. - It's our fault, always. We should buy more subs and Scott is not threatening us, he is being sincere.

The abused fears for his/her life and/or the lives of his/her children (if present). - We better do as Scott says or they will kill the line! Buy more subs everyone!

The abused has an irrational belief that the abuser is omnipresent and omniscient - While I didn't always agree with his decisions, Scott's efforts towards the line has always been tremendous and he eventually ended up with a pretty nice work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battered_person_syndrome

Robzy

22nd July 2012, 10:45 PM

Vertigoink is almost as much of a knob as Toyguru.

Yeah I know :) Still, no one's as bad as Scott... well, maybe Michael Bay!

He-Man.org is absolutely moronic at the moment - the entire site is just people giving their idiotic opinions on how to 'safe teh lein!' Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that Toyguru is just trying to sell subscriptions with the panic he's creating, so they should all either shut up and buy a subscription or just wait patiently for two weeks when we'll find out that 'teh lein' is absolutely fine and go about their cherry picking. :rolleyes:
The Org has always been moronic... it's just on overload at the moment. Still, it's fun to see the sh!t stirrers on there and the melodramatic responses they get. :D

kup

22nd July 2012, 10:49 PM

lol I just had my post deleted by the opinion police at the org. I will wait for the eventual PM and 'Point penalty'. After all that's happened, I don't really give a damn if I get booted.

TheFallen

22nd July 2012, 10:51 PM

lol I just had my post deleted by the opinion police at the org. I will wait for the eventual PM and 'Point penalty'. After all that's happened, I don't really give a damn if I get booted.

Here you go;

Dear Kup,

You have received a warning at He-Man.org Forums.

Reason:
-------
Harrassing or not respecting other forums, companies, creators or forum members

Hi Kup,

you are receiving this message as a heads up to let you know that the post in question has been removed.

kup

22nd July 2012, 11:04 PM

Here you go;

Oh no!

http://i.imgur.com/pr7ic.jpg

BTW: Awesome photo shoot! :)

Robzy

22nd July 2012, 11:05 PM

Robzy and I have started a blog, Misspent Adulthood (www.misspentadulthood.com)
You give me far too much credit... it's TheFallen's baby! :)

Battered Wife Syndrome:

Additionally, repeated cycles of violence and reconciliation can result in the following beliefs and attitudes:

The abused thinks that the violence was his or her fault - It's not Scott's fault, it's ours for not buying enough subs!

The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the violence elsewhere. - It's our fault, always. We should buy more subs and Scott is not threatening us, he is being sincere.

The abused fears for his/her life and/or the lives of his/her children (if present). - We better do as Scott says or they will kill the line! Buy more subs everyone!

The abused has an irrational belief that the abuser is omnipresent and omniscient - While I didn't always agree with his decisions, Scott's efforts towards the line has always been tremendous and he eventually ended up with a pretty nice work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battered_person_syndrome
That's awesome... :D I was hoping you'd post it on the Org.

lol I just had my post deleted by the opinion police at the org. I will wait for the eventual PM and 'Point penalty'. After all that's happened, I don't really give a damn if I get booted.
Was that (the above post) what was deleted?

If so, that's outrageous.

Here you go;

Dear Kup,

You have received a warning at He-Man.org Forums.

Reason:
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Harrassing or not respecting other forums, companies, creators or forum members

Hi Kup,

you are receiving this message as a heads up to let you know that the post in question has been removed.
Wow... they're so polite when they're screwing you and your right to be heard! :rolleyes:

TheFallen

22nd July 2012, 11:09 PM

You give me far too much credit... it's TheFallen's baby! :)

Your photos are so good that it is going to make me look good by association

Wow... they're so polite when they're screwing you and your right to be heard! :rolleyes:

That was a slightly modified PM that I was sent when I got Moderhated�

kup

22nd July 2012, 11:13 PM

That's awesome... :D I was hoping you'd post it on the Org.

Was that (the above post) what was deleted?

If so, that's outrageous.

Yeah, that's the post that got deleted but someone quoted me so now it's back :D

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?227751-Toyguru-Update-on-2013-Subscriptions/page36

TheFallen

22nd July 2012, 11:17 PM

It is bedlam over there

Robzy

22nd July 2012, 11:20 PM

Yeah, that's the post that got deleted but someone quoted me so now it's back :D

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?227751-Toyguru-Update-on-2013-Subscriptions/page36

Heehee... I quoted it too, so it's in more than one post now :)

kup

22nd July 2012, 11:29 PM

Heehee... I quoted it too, so it's in more than one post now :)

:)

It is ridiculous how people can still defend Scott. It is no longer opinion as that guy back at the org keeps saying, it is fact! Scott has mis-managed the line and that he is dishonest and manipulative! There is records of it throughout the Org going back years!

They seem the types that you could kick in the balls everyday but as long as you tell him you are his best friend once a week, he will forgive you and think you are awesome.

Robzy

23rd July 2012, 12:36 AM

Lol, Kup... looks like the Org police have removed your quote in my reply :rolleyes:

Stupid thing is, they forgot to remove it from the other guy's reply... fools!! It's still there :rolleyes:

Robzy

23rd July 2012, 01:01 AM

The latest from Emiliano (http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/dont-let-motu-die-for-third-time.html?spref=fb). Things must be bad if he's even calling for people to buy Subs :eek:

kup

23rd July 2012, 01:05 AM

lol I am probably going to get banned. They are now getting all butthurt about my 'battered wife' analogy.

kup

23rd July 2012, 01:15 AM

The latest from Emiliano (http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/dont-let-motu-die-for-third-time.html?spref=fb). Things must be bad if he's even calling for people to buy Subs :eek:

He is just very passionate about MOTU and does not want it to see it die one more time due to Mattel's incompetence. He was really disappointed when Mattel axed the line in 200x and then blamed consumers for it without taking into account their own malpractices. He is noticing that history repeating itself.

Although I share in his passion for MOTU and i do not want to see Classics die, I can't 'give Mattel a chance to make it right' by buying a sub because I know they won't. Since overseas customers have pretty much been told to 'FU', the line is over for me and frankly, I don't see much of a future with Scott in charge.

If Classics dies now, then so be it. It would be sad but I do not want to see another year of deteriorating QC, Mighty Spectors and horrible fan-fics made official with Gary-Stu characters at the center of it.

Robzy

23rd July 2012, 01:22 AM

lol I am probably going to get banned. They are now getting all butthurt about my 'battered wife' analogy.
Lol, I'm getting lumped in with you now! Geez, I never said I was a "battered wife" but these guys are putting all us "whingers" and "complainers" in the same box. I guess we all sound the same to them. What a bunch od arrogant @-holes!

Robzy

23rd July 2012, 01:35 AM

Ah, yes... the Posts that JonWes rejects! :p:rolleyes:

Man, everyone's posts were deleted, even mine and I didn't even mention the "analogy". I was responding to they other guy. God, the police are out of control!

kup

23rd July 2012, 01:35 AM

Lol, I'm getting lumped in with you now! Geez, I never said I was a "battered wife" but these guys are putting all us "whingers" and "complainers" in the same box. I guess we all sound the same to them. What a bunch od arrogant @-holes!

I got sent the warning and after that, our posts got deleted! That's it, we are banned :D

The thing is that we weren't repeating the analogy, just correcting that guy's reversed interpretation of it. How are we the "beaten wives"? lol

kup

23rd July 2012, 01:45 AM

On a happier note, here is what I have done with the Snake Man-At-Arms I was forced to buy:

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/200xmaa2.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/200xmaa3.JPG

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/200xmaa1.JPG

Robzy

23rd July 2012, 01:49 AM

I got sent the warning and after that, our posts got deleted! That's it, we are banned :D

The thing is that we weren't repeating the analogy, just correcting that guy's reversed interpretation of it. How are we the "beaten wives"? lol
Lol, I know - moron! :p I hope you let the Mod know that (not that they will care). But why send you a warning now? They started deleting your stuff like an hour ago? They should've warned you then. If it's because of you clarifying just a few mins ago, then you should definitely complain!

kup

23rd July 2012, 01:52 AM

Lol, I know - moron! :p I hope you let the Mod know that (not that they will care). But why send you a warning now? They started deleting your stuff like an hour ago? They should've warned you then. If it's because of you clarifying just a few mins ago, then you should definitely complain!

Nah, it's like complaining to the Gestapo that you are being treated unfairly.

Robzy

23rd July 2012, 02:04 AM

kup

23rd July 2012, 02:07 AM

I'm seriously considering reporting the guy who says Cherry Picker's money is no good compared to Subbers!! That sort of nonsense is what Scott relies on. I could say the post emotionally distressed me or something. People seem to get warnings for far less! :rolleyes:

Go ahead, that's the sort of tactic these morons are using to go against the 'battered wife' analogy. To me, it is distressing how given in and indoctrinated some of these people are.

I'll support you if they come back with crap.

Robzy

23rd July 2012, 02:23 AM

Go ahead, that's the sort of tactic these morons are using to go against the 'battered wife' analogy. To me, it is distressing how given in and indoctrinated some of these people are.

I'll support you if they come back with crap.
Cheers man! :) Some of the crap coming from these guys is truly astonishing!

On a related note, I really don't know what to make of this whole 2013 Sub/Line in danger thing now. At first, as many of us did, I thought it was Scott's scare tactics. But now, I'm reading lots from people who have "inside information" about how the line really is doing badly. Now, granted it's only 1 week in to the sale... but what do we make of this? I only ask because EXACTLY (I mean EXACTLY) the same thing happened last year with the Ghostbusters' Sub... right before it got canned. If it hadn't happened before with one of Scott's brands I wouldn't be worried...

kup

23rd July 2012, 02:30 AM

Cheers man! :) Some of the crap coming from these guys is truly astonishing!

On a related note, I really don't know what to make of this whole 2013 Sub/Line in danger thing now. At first, as many of us did, I thought it was Scott's scare tactics. But now, I'm reading lots from people who have "inside information" about how the line really is doing badly. Now, granted it's only 1 week in to the sale... but what do we make of this? I only ask because EXACTLY (I mean EXACTLY) the same thing happened last year with the Ghostbusters' Sub... right before it got canned. If it hadn't happened before with one of Scott's brands I wouldn't be worried...

I was expecting the subs to undersell this year. Since January it seems that all the issues associated with the line has magnified in volume. There is also the fact that a sub no longer guarantees you the figure as the Fisto and Sorceress debacle showed.

I just made a post counteracting that guy's weird reasoning which outlines just some of the issues that have eventually driven people away:

Dude, no company with any sense would purposely alienate large buyer demographics like Mattel is doing now. What sort of company says 'Your money is not good enough for us, get lost'

No one is saying for the subs to stop and according to Scott himself, the line has been successfully performing with a 'Sub+DOS' system. The subs assure the minimum and the Day of Sales increase the profit margin. What they want to do now for some retarded and incomprehensible reason is get rid of that 'extra' money they would get in the Day of Sales.

The Sub+DOS system itself is not at fault, there are plenty of other reasons why the subs are down this year and since it seems that you have failed to notice the world around you for the last year and more, I will point them out for you:

a) Subs are down due to super crappy Customer service which took a high peak this year.
b) Subbers are no longer guaranteed a figure (Remember the Fisto debacle?)
c) Scott consistently uses scare tactics and deceit to get his way which is a huge insult to the paying customer.
d) QC had taken a dive
e) Figure Quality (Material, paint apps, accessories) has been largely reduced.
f) Stupid and ill thought out character assortments leaving subbers with a good amount of unwanted figures they can't even sell.

This is why subs are down and the line in danger and it all falls on Scott's bad management of the line. I can go on and on, do you want me to? :hmroll:

Robzy

23rd July 2012, 02:55 AM

I was expecting the subs to undersell this year. Since January it seems that all the issues associated with the line has magnified in volume. There is also the fact that a sub no longer guarantees you the figure as the Fisto and Sorceress debacle showed.

I just made a post counteracting that guy's weird reasoning which outlines just some of the issues that have eventually driven people away:
Haha... you love it don't you :p Still, you're explaining yourself better than I am. Actually, I think part of the reason people get confused is they don't read the posts properly! Then, other pricks jump on you, like you're a rich cripple in the London riots. And then, the inevitable preachy "why can't we all just get along" posters... usually accompanied by some snide remark in their last sentence!

kup

23rd July 2012, 03:04 AM

Haha... you love it don't you :p Still, you're explaining yourself better than I am. Actually, I think part of the reason people get confused is they don't read the posts properly! Then, other pricks jump on you, like you're a rich cripple in the London riots. And then, the inevitable preachy "why can't we all just get along" posters... usually accompanied by some snide remark in their last sentence!

Yeah it is kind of fun :p

Lack of reading comprehension skills is sadly very common not just at the Org but at TFW2005 and other boards. At DM.Net it's a running joke. They are usually from the same types of groups too.

Anyways, I think we have hammered in our points more than enough for tonight. Some of the people there have an ideological stance on the subject which is almost religious in nature. We could be posting our points to them throughout the night and they still would not understand as they only read only what they want.

Like that guy said, they manufacture their own reality.

Anyways, thank you for a fun evening :p

Tallestblue

23rd July 2012, 09:19 AM

TheFallen

23rd July 2012, 09:33 AM

Ah, yes... the Posts that JonWes rejects!

I LOL'd at this.

kup

23rd July 2012, 03:56 PM

*Sigh* I really am a Battered wife*lol.

Seriously, despite the crap Toyguru feeds us, despite the downright rude entitled posts from the US members of the org i still want my MOTUC.

Of course this is the exact same type of bs that happened around sub time last year and i have to keep looking at my MOTUC shelf to reassure myself that I WILL get them, sub or no sub.

And yeah, it's shame that we can't tell the thought police on the org to eat a bag of d*cks. I've stopped posting there pretty much as the only things i can think of to say is an endless stream of verbal abuse at their idiocy.

*Spousal abuse IS Not funny. (Except in the instances where it makes you laugh)

:( Oh well, at least you are buying the sub for the right reasons and you are fully aware of the situation and not deluded like the people at the Org.

If you bought more than one sub and wish to offload some figures, let me know. I am not buying a sub but would not turn down opportunity to buy some of the characters.

kup

23rd July 2012, 04:29 PM

More Duncan:

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/200xmaa.JPG

Tallestblue

23rd July 2012, 05:16 PM

:( Oh well, at least you are buying the sub for the right reasons and you are fully aware of the situation and not deluded like the people at the Org.

If you bought more than one sub and wish to offload some figures, let me know. I am not buying a sub but would not turn down opportunity to buy some of the characters.

Sorry if my post misled you Kup! I meant to say as a fan of MOTUC I'm a "Battered Wife" but I will not be subbing up as some ORGers have stated.
(P.S. Man-At-arms looks awesome! Is that a Kevin Krosse head?)

I'm more than likely going to be using BBTS for my MOTUC's next year rather than a sub. Does anyone know what the cost of them will be for us?
shipping was usually 9 bucks (Which was awesome!) but i hear it now being 15 or so making one figure 40 bucks is that right?

And here's a link to my face book album of MOTUC Pics of my most recent acquistions,

Stinkor-
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079021840208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151078999585208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

Snake Man-At-Arms-
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079043555208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079046500208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

Horde Prime-
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079020505208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079047490208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

And The Mighty Spector-

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079020785208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

kup

23rd July 2012, 05:49 PM

Sorry if my post misled you Kup! I meant to say as a fan of MOTUC I'm a "Battered Wife" but I will not be subbing up as some ORGers have stated.
(P.S. Man-At-arms looks awesome! Is that a Kevin Krosse head?)

I'm more than likely going to be using BBTS for my MOTUC's next year rather than a sub. Does anyone know what the cost of them will be for us?
shipping was usually 9 bucks (Which was awesome!) but i hear it now being 15 or so making one figure 40 bucks is that right?

And here's a link to my face book album of MOTUC Pics of my most recent acquistions,

Stinkor-
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079021840208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151078999585208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

Snake Man-At-Arms-
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079043555208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079046500208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

Horde Prime-
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079020505208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079047490208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

And The Mighty Spector-

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151079020785208&set=a.10150957554875208.397757.521125207&type=3&theater

Then you are not a battered wife. A battered wife has a tendency to stay by her husband and apologize for him no matter how much he abuses her. That's the analogy since despite all the abuse, people are still apologizing for Scott and supporting him ;)

(P.S. Man-At-arms looks awesome! Is that a Kevin Krosse head?)

Yeah, I bought it some time ago and figured it would suit this release of Man-At-Arms better.

I can't see you facebook links for some reason.

Tallestblue

23rd July 2012, 06:37 PM

it might be my privacy settings, damn facebook.
Try again.

kup

23rd July 2012, 06:53 PM

it might be my privacy settings, damn facebook.
Try again.

Cool! (except for Spector ;))

I also gave my Serpent ring to King Hiss but the 200x figure.

Tallestblue

23rd July 2012, 08:00 PM

I think i made my point with Spector and the baseball bat.

kup

23rd July 2012, 08:19 PM

I think i made my point with Spector and the baseball bat.

:D

Robzy

24th July 2012, 12:42 AM

The thing is that we weren't repeating the analogy, just correcting that guy's reversed interpretation of it. How are we the "beaten wives"? lol
That was the funniest part. He was arguing the exact opposite :rolleyes:

Lack of reading comprehension skills is sadly very common not just at the Org but at TFW2005 and other boards.

[snip]

Like that guy said, they manufacture their own reality.

Anyways, thank you for a fun evening :p

So true. And yeah, it was fun. You have a great way of cutting people down :D It's hilarious!!

I LOL'd at this.
:D

And here's a link to my face book album of MOTUC Pics of my most recent acquistions,

Fantastic :)

I think i made my point with Spector and the baseball bat.
Nice :D

On a happier note, here is what I have done with the Snake Man-At-Arms I was forced to buy:

That looks amazing!

Sky Shadow

24th July 2012, 02:58 AM

Just ordered Vykron - he's available at Matty in both Tank Top (http://www.mattycollector.com/DRHM/store?Action=DisplayProductDetailsPage&SiteID=matty&Locale=en_US&productID=253882200) and Space Ace (http://www.mattycollector.com/store/matty/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.253882300). I ordered one of each, but they each come with all three sets of armour so you can also barbarian it up if that's your bag.

And, the latest news on 2013 is... that they will hit the minimum number of subscribers. (Surprise, surprise.) Also, the new 'roadmap' for 2014 will allegedly complete the vintage Masters toys as well as core Princess of Power (including Scorpia) and New Adventures. Mathematically, I can't see how that will work, but it is good news.

kup

24th July 2012, 09:20 AM

I wanted the Batman but I forgot the sale date. Oh well, I didn't want it that much.

Tallestblue

24th July 2012, 03:05 PM

I wanted the Batman but I forgot the sale date. Oh well, I didn't want it that much.

I wanted that one too, but if it's the same rubber as the Batman cowl and chest armour that came with Ninja Bruce Wane from Batman begins it's not going to last very long.

Robzy

24th July 2012, 03:34 PM

Speaking of Batman, here's my review of The Dark Knight Rises (http://www.misspentadulthood.com/2012/07/the-dark-knight-rises-movie-review.html). Don't worry - it's Spoiler Free! :) Feel free to post comments on the Blog :)

kup

24th July 2012, 04:29 PM

So true. And yeah, it was fun. You have a great way of cutting people down :D It's hilarious!!

I've had a lot of practice at DM.Net. That is basically a Troll board in the dog eat dog manner. If you don't know how to maintain your ground and respond to attacks, you get eaten. That's the main reason that I like posting there, it's a challenge.

Robzy

24th July 2012, 08:35 PM

I've had a lot of practice at DM.Net. That is basically a Troll board in the dog eat dog manner. If you don't know how to maintain your ground and respond to attacks, you get eaten. That's the main reason that I like posting there, it's a challenge.
:D It's great to watch.

Someone's had another shot at you about the "battered wife" thing. I just put on my 'Mod' pants and questioned why they're bringing up a "banned" subject matter. You still have a lot of support though! :)

kup

24th July 2012, 09:30 PM

:D It's great to watch.

Someone's had another shot at you about the "battered wife" thing. I just put on my 'Mod' pants and questioned why they're bringing up a "banned" subject matter. You still have a lot of support though! :)

Yeah I saw, it's the same dude again. I think that he actually does understand the analogy but fights against it because he knows it to be true.

As mentioned by EtherianChronicles, the issues with Scott and how he runs the line are not 'opinions' but fully documented facts!

Robzy

24th July 2012, 09:51 PM

Scott's latest video is a riot... (http://youtu.be/HNobXuviVQ0?hd=1)

For only .16 cents a day... you too can have MOTUC figures! At least he smacked Spector down :D

Some choice quotes...

"these guys last forever, you can have them on your desk from here til Doomsday"
Well, apart from making a joke about Doomsday being in 2012 :hmlol::skwink:, let me ask how those people who have a shattered Goddess figure feel about that statement? Or a broken trunk on Snout Spout? Or even a Yellowing Stay Puft Man for that matter? :sksad:

Also,
"Mattel believes in this line, Management believes in this line" Well, what's the problem? Why are they so willing to abort the line if Scott can't "justify (a 2014 line) to management" or "justify (Scott's) resources"? According to Scott's previous statements, they seem pretty eager to stop the line at the drop of a hat for a bunch of people who believe in it. The period for Sub sales hasn't even finished yet, and there's been nothing but talk of doom and gloom!! :rolleyes:

kup

24th July 2012, 10:41 PM

Scott's latest video is a riot... (http://youtu.be/HNobXuviVQ0?hd=1)

For only .16 cents a day... you too can have MOTUC figures! At least he smacked Spector down :D

Some choice quotes...

Well, apart from making a joke about Doomsday being in 2012 :hmlol::skwink:, let me ask how those people who have a shattered Goddess figure feel about that statement? Or a broken trunk on Snout Spout? Or even a Yellowing Stay Puft Man for that matter? :sksad:

Also, Well, what's the problem? Why are they so willing to abort the line if Scott can't "justify (a 2014 line) to management" or "justify (Scott's) resources"? According to Scott's previous statements, they seem pretty eager to stop the line at the drop of a hat for a bunch of people who believe in it. The period for Sub sales hasn't even finished yet, and there's been nothing but talk of doom and gloom!! :rolleyes:

Yeah, I watched it. It's ridiculous and he even contradicts himself within the same video yet again :rolleyes:

I posted on the board stating what I think of his stupid video.

Edit: Another guy missed the point again. I have posted with something a little stronger, let's see if he gets it now. I doubt it since you and others have repeatedly explained and they still don't get it.

Robzy

24th July 2012, 11:29 PM

Yeah, I watched it. It's ridiculous and he even contradicts himself within the same video yet again :rolleyes:

I posted on the board stating what I think of his stupid video.

Edit: Another guy missed the point again. I have posted with something a little stronger, let's see if he gets it now. I doubt it since you and others have repeatedly explained and they still don't get it.
Haha yeah, I saw it. I also saw your reply to JonWes' call to 'stop the fighting'... a nice little snide parting shot, but unfortunately it's been deleted before I could quote it.

Anyway, I backed you up by praising JonWes' courage to put an end to trouble makers who are twisting people's words, bla bla...

kup

24th July 2012, 11:36 PM

That Delthaindia guy tried to do a comeback but just ended up insulting himself :rolleyes:

Haha yeah, I saw it. I also saw your reply to JonWes' call to 'stop the fighting'... a nice little snide parting shot, but unfortunately it's been deleted before I could quote it.

Anyway, I backed you up by praising JonWes' courage to put an end to trouble makers who are twisting people's words, bla bla...

Thanks :) I hope JonWes understands that it's not us who are bringing back the same argument over and over.

Robzy

24th July 2012, 11:45 PM

That Delthaindia guy tried to do a comeback but just ended up insulting himself :rolleyes:

I know... WTF was THAT?????

Thanks :) I hope JonWes understands that it's not us who are bringing back the same argument over and over.

Well, if he doesn't than he's just as retarded as the fools who don't understand your point. And then, who cares anyway! You haven't twisted anyone's words... everyone's been twisting yours (well, except for the intelligent people who actually understand what you're saying). Anyway, I wish they'd just let it go... the real target here is Scott and is Fumbling and Stumbling Show (TM)

Robzy

24th July 2012, 11:48 PM

Bahahahahahahaha.....

Thanks, I can now understand your thought processes.

The. Funniest. Post. Ever. :D

What a brilliant comeback. I'm currently crying with laughter!! :D:D

kup

25th July 2012, 12:19 AM

Bahahahahahahaha.....

The. Funniest. Post. Ever. :D

What a brilliant comeback. I'm currently crying with laughter!! :D:D

:D

He also didn't get it :eek:

Robzy

25th July 2012, 06:18 PM

:D

He also didn't get it :eek:
I know... so embarrassing! :rolleyes:

Seriously though Kup... that one-liner was a classic! :D I literally laughed so loudly when I read it. It was so funny, so perfect and completely caught me by surprise!

In other news...

Scott seems to love these NEGATIVE updates (http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=241&itemid=18961) every day... :rolleyes:

I still can't quite make out if it's all 100% real, or if there's a little bit of scare-tactic BS in there. Scott may just believe that if he keeps crying out that even a 2013 Sub might not happen, people will flock to the "Add to Cart" button. I dunno...

And to top it off, on forums everywhere (including the Org) all the members are now saying the SAME stuff we've been going on about for the past week (not to mention the past few years!! :rolleyes:). Everyone is taking pot shots at Scott and his "mis-management" (which was a dirty word yesterday :rolleyes: lol) and accusing him of having a giant ego and no interest in taking care of Pop, NA and 200x fans, as well as consistently making empty promises. I know it's all stuff we've said before, but it amazes me that TODAY it's perfectly acceptable to admit it for most of them. Either we've changed their minds, or they've all opened their eyes and suddenly realised Mattel+Scott are screwing them!

Well... DUH!

kup

25th July 2012, 07:59 PM

Robzy

25th July 2012, 08:23 PM

Wow, this guy's post takes the gold medal! Best thing I have read in a long time:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?228048-What-Is-Really-Driving-the-Decline-In-Subscriptions/page4&p=3080656#post3080656
+1
Totally sums up Scott!

The level of collective 'ill feeling' towards him has really intensified (I believe the above link you posted explains why) in the last 24 hours! The only place I can find anything remotely pro-Matty at the moment is Pixel-Dan's blog... where people are telling anyone who won't Sub or is anti-Scott to "STFU" and "get lost" if you're not a true fan. Head in sand much?

kup

25th July 2012, 08:47 PM

+1
Totally sums up Scott!

The level of collective 'ill feeling' towards him has really intensified (I believe the above link you posted explains why) in the last 24 hours! The only place I can find anything remotely pro-Matty at the moment is Pixel-Dan's blog... where people are telling anyone who won't Sub or is anti-Scott to "STFU" and "get lost" if you're not a true fan. Head in sand much?

Pixel Dan lost a lot of points with me when he started his bromance with Scott. I didn't mind him before but now he makes me feel ill. I no longer trust him with reviews as he is too 'buddy, buddy' with Scott to have an objective view.

Robzy

25th July 2012, 09:06 PM

Pixel Dan lost a lot of points with me when he started his bromance with Scott. I didn't mind him before but now he makes me feel ill. I no longer trust him with reviews as he is too 'buddy, buddy' with Scott to have an objective view.
Yeah, I've had issues with him for a while... maybe not to the extent of Sky Shadow :D

But yeah, that godawful SDCC Bromance was a little sickening. Still, it wasn't PD telling people to "STFU"... just his fans!

Tallestblue

25th July 2012, 09:24 PM

I think i need to stop going to He-Man.org. It's really starting to stress me out thinking there won't be a 2014 MOTUC line that fills the gaps after this year.

Seriously. I don't care about the bios or Toyguru and his b.s. or the Matty apologist arse kissing I just want my F****ING HE-MAN AND SHE-RA TOYS.

And I am feeling physically ill over the thought of not getting a main cast of Great Rebellion ladies! I mostly just want the characters shown in the opening sequence of the She-Ra cartoon- Y'know the group shot that happens at "Me and my friends in the Great Rebellion" mark. Oh. And Mermista. Aaaand if we're getting Netossa we need Spinnerella...And Scorpia. Ohhh...here comes that nausea again....

Robzy

25th July 2012, 09:33 PM

Tallestblue

25th July 2012, 09:49 PM

I feel for ya :) Problem is Scott has little interest in PoP. But hey, take comfort that he brought you Mighty Sucktor, Cy-Crap, and Sir Fails-alot instead.

Actually...I like the 30th figures. I don't care about the bio for Spector to me if he looks like the He-Man universe's Deadpool, he IS The He-Man universe's Deadpool, a wisecracking, teleporting jerk that no-one really likes. Sir Lazer-Lot will be a bumbling "Dudley Do-Right" character in My Canon (TM) not ultraviolent badass from the web comic. I even like Cy-Chop's crazy-ass mishmash design. If they were crap toys, I'd call them out on being crap toys, but they're not!
I love MOTUC. Love it. I'll be with it 'til it dies and will be sad to see it go, but hopefully we still get two more years out of it. I think my best option right now is to ignore the Org and to just chill like I did this time last year.

Robzy

25th July 2012, 10:56 PM

Actually...I like the 30th figures. I don't care about the bio for Spector to me if he looks like the He-Man universe's Deadpool, he IS The He-Man universe's Deadpool, a wisecracking, teleporting jerk that no-one really likes. Sir Lazer-Lot will be a bumbling "Dudley Do-Right" character in My Canon (TM) not ultraviolent badass from the web comic. I even like Cy-Chop's crazy-ass mishmash design. If they were crap toys, I'd call them out on being crap toys, but they're not!
That's fine :) Personally, I have been massively disappointed with the 30th line... except for Dreago-Man - WOW :eek: What a figure!!

My problem is, if we miss out of characters like Ram Man (if the sub is cancelled) or Tung Lashor, Horde Troopers, or any of the PoP characters you listed before, all because Scott wasted time, slots, resources and money on figures like Chops, Lazerlot and Spector... well, than I will be one ANGRY ROBZY! :mad:

Sky Shadow

25th July 2012, 11:29 PM

I think with the exception of Photog and Castle Grayskullman (i.e. the toy that was supposed to be made decades ago and the one that won the competition this year), the thirtieth anniversary line was sickening. Vykron, Vikor, Demo-Man, Battleground Teela, Ram Man, Green Goddess, Filmation Hordak, Mini-Comic Trap Jaw, typo Oo-lar, Zodak's flying chair, Mekaneck, Sky Sled (et alia) are all toys that could have been saved up for a thirtieth anniversary sub. Toyguru wanting to make his own toy and then justifying it by letting three other people make their toys too was just an egomaniacal misuse of resources.

kup

26th July 2012, 01:52 PM

Looks like they took a while to decide as I didn't post anything too bad today (or yesterday) but this is what I got from the org today:

http://kupscigar.com/MOTU/banned.jpg

It seems that I pushed the political incorrect truth about Scott's/Mattel's practices a bit too hard and perhaps the fact that I had people supporting what I was saying provoked it further so...

To the gulag with me!

:)

kurdt_the_goat

26th July 2012, 06:20 PM

kup

26th July 2012, 06:59 PM

This kind of thing is why they shouldn't have community managers at all. Imagine if Hasbro had someone making excuses and taking full responsibility for the whole line of Transformers - now that'd be one hated individual!

Scott is not the community Manager, he is the Brand Manager. He is completely in charge of managing the Matty toy lines. He actually has a lot of control on how the line is handled, characters chosen, fiction, etc, etc hence why there is so much hatred against him given the latest debacle. It is literally his fault for mis-managing the line.

If he did not have so much control, there wouldn't be so many self indulgences in the line (which customers had to pay for). His worst crime in this indulgence is changing the so called '30th anniversary line' into a vehicle for him to release his own fan character without any regards to the history of the brand or the customers forced to buy his stupid ego figure.

Robzy

26th July 2012, 08:02 PM

this is what I got from the org today:

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk199/sunglikeahorse/Facepalmernie.jpg

Seriously, what a joke! :rolleyes: The only thing you can take from it is that you knew it was coming... they're so predictable. The "moderhaters" (as TheFallen calls them :p) are getting bagged on just about every toy news site for being trigger-happy!

It seems that I pushed the political incorrect truth about Scott's/Mattel's practices a bit too hard and perhaps the fact that I had people supporting what I was saying provoked it further so...

So true. Banning you for what you wrote is astonishing :eek: Talk about 'silencing trouble makers'. It's particularly remarkable when you consider this was one of the posts made over there about you...

I've stayed away from the discussion forums here for several years, and I've debated back and forth recently over whether to post again. Posting in message boards such as this is generally a lost cause, but I feel compelled as of late by EtherianChronicles, Robzy, and Kup's posts. I feel that they've hit the nail on the head, and I wholeheartedly agree, except for one thing. Scott is no super fan, and I feel that he is a "toy guru" in name only.
It's pretty rich when Pixel-Dan calls for less passionate responses from people... the guy is a human fireworks display on NYE. I've never seen anyone with so much passion except for Big Kev...

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk199/sunglikeahorse/Big-Kev.jpg

I think a lot of the Matty Apologists are frightened... not only frightened of the truth, but more terrified that other people who once supported Scott and Co are now seeing his true colours.

Scott is not the community Manager, he is the Brand Manager. He is completely in charge of managing the Matty toy lines. He actually has a lot of control on how the line is handled, characters chosen, fiction, etc, etc hence why there is so much hatred against him given the latest debacle. It is literally his fault for mis-managing the line.

Maybe he's "out of control" :p But yeah, he's the guy who is responsible for everything. He's not a PR Manager or a "Fan Liason"... he's a Brand Manager who now thinks he's a celebrity in the toy world!

If he did not have so much control, there wouldn't be so many self indulgences in the line (which customers had to pay for). His worst crime in this indulgence is changing the so called '30th anniversary line' into a vehicle for him to release his own fan character without any regards to the history of the brand or the customers forced to buy his stupid ego figure.

All he could ask yesterday was...

Do I get any credit?

kup

26th July 2012, 08:06 PM

All he could ask yesterday was...

I actually got banned immediately after posting that same quote from Scott.

From what I posted in Emiliano's blog:

Yeah, unfortunately He-Man.org has become something that I can't say I like. It seems more like North Korea than a fan board.

I think I know what was the trigger point for my ban. I quoted one of Scott's recent egomaniac remarks as an example of what angers fans. Shortly after I posted that, the admin staff deleted it and I was banned.

I have a feeling that Scott has influence over them on what is 'acceptable or unacceptable' comments. Only when I directly quoted one of Scott's 'Public Relation' posts did I get hit with the ban hammer. I was more harsh before about Mattel and MOTUC management and they didn't do anything.

Now that I think about it, I have only been in trouble when I directly criticize Scott, which is kind of scary since that would mean that the board is not longer 'He-Man.org' but 'Scott-Neitlich.org'

Oh well, I hope all this is just a bad era in MOTU history and soon the fandom can go back to normal. Unfortunately I fear that the Org is forever tainted as a place for fans to freely discuss and enjoy the franchise.

kurdt_the_goat

26th July 2012, 09:40 PM

Scott is not the community Manager, he is the Brand Manager. He is completely in charge of managing the Matty toy lines. He actually has a lot of control on how the line is handled, characters chosen, fiction, etc, etc hence why there is so much hatred against him given the latest debacle. It is literally his fault for mis-managing the line.

If he did not have so much control, there wouldn't be so many self indulgences in the line (which customers had to pay for). His worst crime in this indulgence is changing the so called '30th anniversary line' into a vehicle for him to release his own fan character without any regards to the history of the brand or the customers forced to buy his stupid ego figure.

Yeah i know, but it's the community manager aspect that's bringing all his brand mis-management in front of the public eye. If he had any clue at all, he'd ruin the line anonymously! I just don't know what he hopes to achieve reaching out to the fans with his bullshit, it only makes things worse.

kup

26th July 2012, 09:58 PM

Yeah i know, but it's the community manager aspect that's bringing all his brand mis-management in front of the public eye. If he had any clue at all, he'd ruin the line anonymously! I just don't know what he hopes to achieve reaching out to the fans with his bullshit, it only makes things worse.

Because as an egomaniac that actually thinks that his management is great because they are all his ideas ('and how can I be wrong, I am awesome!'). Then as a true sociopath, he will blame the fans 'lack of enthusiasm' for any failures as he can't fathom the fact that something he's done wasn't a good idea.

He is already blaming the failure to sell enough subs on just "the price increase" as the only detractor despite hundreds of people saying that there is a lot more to it than just that.

Robzy

26th July 2012, 10:25 PM

Oh well, I hope all this is just a bad era in MOTU history and soon the fandom can go back to normal. Unfortunately I fear that the Org is forever tainted as a place for fans to freely discuss and enjoy the franchise.
The Org's had a bad reputation for a long time, as I'm sure you know. But it has definitely gotten worse in the last 12-18 months. In fact, I stopped posting there for a year or so (except the occasional post in the Australia Thread only) because it was so hostile and moronic. But I gotta say, I've posted more there in the last week or so than I have in the last 3 years... all because of this Cluster**** of a job Scott's done with 2013 Subs. Sure, it's escalated, but he's the catalyst for all this.

The same thing happened with other lines too... Mattel loves lines that can churn out repaints and slight re-tools. God help us if they ever got their hands on TMNT. That's why they love MOTU so much - basically the same buck for most figures. They did the same with Ghostbusters and DCUC. They feel they need to stretch the line out with endless repaints and re-tools. Trouble is, after a while, people start to say "hey, I don't want all these filler figures, I want the A list characters". Case in point, we had to wait nearly a year to get 4 Ghostbusters (and they're not even a complete set - 3 are gloveless, 1 is gloved :rolleyes:), because they had fillers in between. We've asked for proton streams and stuff like that, but Scott says it can't be done right now. Why not??? They already exist... and it's want the customers want!! And Scott has said repeatedly that they had no intention of releasing the DCUC Superpowers Penguin, seen at SDCC a year or 2 ago... Why? Fans are demanding it!!

Too much filler in the lines has now also affected MOTUC. Customers want Ram Man, A-list PoP characters, etc... but Scott has seen characters like Chief Carnivus (which he wanted) or Mo-Larr as more important. Too much filler (trying to stretch it out for maximum $$$) has effectively killed the line... it seems to be a flaw in the Mattel model.

If he had any clue at all, he'd ruin the line anonymously! I just don't know what he hopes to achieve reaching out to the fans with his bullshit, it only makes things worse.
He's done that to several brands already... he has a track record. It's probably a lot longer than we know!

Trouble is, he really thinks he's a celebrity now. MOTUC was great while he had his ego in check, but now his rock star attitude, and dismissive behaviour has alienated too many people. And the terrible decisions he's made (yes, he's admitted he made the character choices) may leave us without important A list characters, but at least we'll have Spector, Cy-Chop, Mo-lar, Star Sisters, and the FFM.

kup

27th July 2012, 02:43 PM

Right now, I wish I wasn't banned so that I can set a lot of the idiots at He-Man.org straight.

There are some morons ganging up on EthernianChronicles and attacking him (her?) with a lot of stupid nonsense that only shows how mindless and stupid they really are. If I could post I would be able to take some of the heat away and put them down.

Robzy

27th July 2012, 03:54 PM

The latest Roast Gooble Podcast with Scott is so infuriating. Aside from the fact that Val and the Gang (who proclaim to be asking him the hard questions) are really just giving Scott a beating with a wet leaf of lettuce... Scott's answers are contradicting themselves. He's going around in circles, and dodging important questions by blaming "Mattel Legal"... ah yes, those pesky, faceless lawyers in the back room. :rolleyes:

I made this to counter the original...

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk199/sunglikeahorse/MattySub2012.jpg

kup

27th July 2012, 06:48 PM

kup

27th July 2012, 07:05 PM

Begun listening to the Gooble. All that Scott does is blame it on the price increase. WTF? The whole board is full of people saying that is but the 'drop that spilled the glass'. There are lots of more fundamental reasons for people stepping away. I am sure if the line was competently managed, fans would be a lot more forgiving of price increases.

No one seems to be asking "the hard questions" they are just opening the gates for Scott's tired old rhetoric. It almost feels like Fox news when they are interviewing hard right Republicans, nice friendly questions that only serve as avenues for more rhetoric.

Sky Shadow

28th July 2012, 05:00 AM

Is this (http://fagian.deviantart.com/art/Sword-of-power-01-316916756) carved wood? An amazing talent.

kup

28th July 2012, 09:15 AM

This article from Toy News International seems to also get why subs are not selling:

Start showing some actual faith in your own product: I get that you want to have a number of guaranteed sales so you reduce your chance of taking a loss, but you know what the other message you are sending with that policy is??? You don�t have faith in your own products. If you don�t have faith in your products enough to make enough stock so the figures aren�t constantly selling out then why should I have faith in it as a consumer?

http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=241&itemid=18973

Robzy

28th July 2012, 11:46 AM

Is this (http://fagian.deviantart.com/art/Sword-of-power-01-316916756) carved wood? An amazing talent.
Very cool!

This article from Toy News International seems to also get why subs are not selling:
http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=241&itemid=18973

I think it actually sums up some of the problems with Mattel's thinking... and offers some solutions. It's what many of us have been saying for years - I can only speak for myself, but I agree that the Sub Model is seriously flawed and doesn't work for MOST people. Of course, some people love it, but there are a lot of fans/customers who just "deal with it" in order to get all the figures, but that still doesn't mean the Sub actually works for them...

Tallestblue

28th July 2012, 06:01 PM

Before Jitsu's preorder sold out at BBTS he was 49.95. These are NOT 50 dollar toys.

*Sigh*

It's starting to make sense to me to buy a sub for 2013.

Dammit.

kup

28th July 2012, 06:15 PM

Before Jitsu's preorder sold out at BBTS he was 49.95. These are NOT 50 dollar toys.

*Sigh*

It's starting to make sense to me to buy a sub for 2013.

Dammit.

Balance out that $50 with several other toys you may not care about but may be forced to buy with a sub.

Who knows, there could be a 'Battleground Mighty Spector, Sir Laserlot and Mo-larr' 3 pack on the way ;)

Tallestblue

28th July 2012, 08:51 PM

Sadly, of the figures shown at SDCC I couldn't give two hoots about is Fang-Man. I want Netossa, Jitsu, Ram-Man. Basically if it's Vintage MOTU or POP I want it. I liked Vikor. I liked Demo-Man and I want the 30th figures as well.
So far I've been ignoring NA because of the lack of an NA He-Man or Skeletor.
Once they're out I'll hunt down Slush-Head Flipshot and Optikk. I'm pretty much an MOTUC completist at this point.

For me, right now, looking towards next year A Sub makes sense financially.
I'll probably put some of my tax return aside to cover the costs.

Tetsuwan Convoy

28th July 2012, 11:52 PM

This kind of thing is why they shouldn't have community managers at all. Imagine if Hasbro had someone making excuses and taking full responsibility for the whole line of Transformers - now that'd be one hated individual!
Aaron Archer? ;) :D

Wow, old MOTUC is looking a bit worse for wear. I like some of the figures, but there is NO WAY I'd go for a sub, because I am not that much into MOTU.. Even with all this sub business, why do they only have the sub buying options open for a month? They are limiting their customer base immensely by the looks of things. What strange practises...

kup

29th July 2012, 10:41 AM

They sure are doing their best to push away any potential International subscribers:

Q: Can you please officially confirm (with direct links if possible, please) if it is accurate that subscribing to MOTUC 2013 using the cheaper "International Postal" option now means that I will NOT be eligible for replacement of defective stock, since this method is not trackable?

I already heard Toy Guru state that "lost-in-the-mail" figures will NOT be replaced if you choose this option, but is it also true that defective stock will not be replaced either?

My main problem is that I really DON'T require faster shipping and really can't afford it.
So, I need to know officially and definitively if this is the case, and if so I'd like to know when this policy actually changed, because I've always got replacements for damaged stock in the past, despite always using the cheapest international shipping method available.

I would be a real shame to be forced to use a more expensive shipping method for no reason other than to ensure that defective product will be replaced -- this hardly seems fair, since Digital River always did it in the past.

A:Correct. We can only replace product that is trackable. If you would like to be able to return product you need to use a trackable shipping method.

So if you are an International customer and receive a faulty figure, they won't replace it. Nice :rolleyes:

That's a lot of trust they are demanding from buyers. This is even more obtuse when one of the main reasons even their local guys aren't subscribing is due to chattered trust between Mattel and the customer base.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/346/969638-cool_story__bro_super.jpg

TheFallen

29th July 2012, 10:53 AM

I am interested to know, how many people have actually had issues with not getting their figure or needing to exchange the figure?

Not to come off as Matty Apologist, but I have been a subscriber since 2009 and I have received every single figure and never needed to get a replacement. I might be in the minority with that but some how I doubt it.

Now, if this new policy of Mattel actually affected me then I am pretty sure I am covered by fraud on my credit card. If I happened to fall victim of this happening to me then I will simply go to my bank and claim an unauthorised transaction.

I think we are still pretty safe in the grand scheme of things and (I hope I am not jinxing myself) I think it will all be fine next year.

kup

29th July 2012, 11:08 AM

I am interested to know, how many people have actually had issues with not getting their figure or needing to exchange the figure?

*Puts hand up*

Consider yourself fortunate.

As mentioned before, I had no real issues with that sort of thing until I subscribed for 2012 and that was my biggest mistake. I should have continued with Cherry Picking and paid the hyper inflated price for Shadow Weaver.

Also remember that more than a few subscribers were burned by Matty with Fisto forcing them to miss-out altogether. There and then they made it very clear that they had no intention to honor their 'You get every sub figure' guarantee.

TheFallen

29th July 2012, 11:18 AM

*Puts hand up*

As mentioned before, I had no real issues with that sort of thing until I subscribed for 2012 and that was my biggest mistake. I should have continued with Cherry Picking and paid the hyper inflated price for Shadow Weaver.

That explains your anger ;)

The only problem I had is when the MOTUC/GB combo sub was offered, I bought an extra MOTUC sub with it but they didn't have the logistics to send those together so one had to be cancelled. Even though they did allow me to buy my second MOTUC sub separately I still got 3 Vikors before the cancellation went through.

All in all, with what I have seen happen to other people, I have been pretty lucky. But I am still not the minority.

Robzy

29th July 2012, 11:23 AM

I am interested to know, how many people have actually had issues with not getting their figure or needing to exchange the figure?

I had a friend who didn't get one of his figures a year or 2 ago. Sadly, he hates MOTUC now and won't collect them. His bad customer experience means he misses out on one of the best toy lines ever made!

I also had a defective Battle Cat when it arrived... finally got a replacement sent out, but only after lots of emailing!! (thank God that was back in the day when items arrived a little quicker, not like the 5-8 weeks now, so I didn't miss the "REDUND/REPLACEMENT window")

As mentioned before, I had no real issues with that sort of thing until I subscribed for 2012 and that was my biggest mistake.
Yeah, they tried to refund you for a Sub figure that never arrived, but said that you refused, right? Why would you refuse what you signed up for?? :confused::rolleyes:

Also remember that more than a few subscribers were burned by Matty with Fisto forcing them to miss-out altogether. There and then they made it very clear that they had no intention to honor their 'You get every sub figure' guarantee.
I still can't believe that!

I think we are still pretty safe in the grand scheme of things and (I hope I am not jinxing myself) I think it will all be fine next year.
To be honest, I'm not overly worried about it. It's a possibility, but it's not my main beef with Matty! I just think it stinks that this is their new attitude, that's more what ticks me orf! Why replace a system that benefits customers with a system that tells customers they are SOL! :confused: Especially when their Sub numbers are so low, and they should be trying to INTICE (not repel) int customers :rolleyes:

kup

29th July 2012, 11:35 AM

TheFallen

29th July 2012, 11:47 AM

To be honest, I'm not overly worried about it. It's a possibility, but it's not my main beef with Matty! I just think it stinks that this is their new attitude, that's more what ticks me orf! Why replace a system that benefits customers with a system that tells customers they are SOL! :confused: Especially when their Sub numbers are so low, and they should be trying to INTICE (not repel) int customers :rolleyes:

To be honest, this line was founded on repelling its customers. Remember the 50 minute sell outs that made MOTUC the hot property it was?

In truth, I think all these policies are enacted as to create controversy. Toyguru has said that any news, regardless if it is good or bad, gets people talking about the property.

TheFallen

29th July 2012, 11:51 AM

I am not really angry, just annoyed at how poorly ran MOTUC has been despite the years of warnings and predictions from fans that all the issues and attitudes would eventually lead to the line's demise. I find the attitude of people who don't mind being treated like trash and will even defend it a lot more disturbing.

Anyways, it doesn't keep me up at night and I am already resigned that if MOTUC dies, then so be it. Matty can spin it every way they want but those with their eyes open know what happened.

Do you follow football?

How many season ticket holders are angry when their team is not performing? How many of them get frustrated when their suggestions are not being listened to? How many think a change of coach will fix everything? How many still support their team in the end, no matter what?

Nearly all of them. And they are paying customers.

Robzy

29th July 2012, 11:58 AM

To be honest, this line was founded on repelling its customers. Remember the 50 minute sell outs that made MOTUC the hot property it was?
Exactly... Scott wants it to be "exclusive". So, at every turn, he tries to "exclude" people/customers/fans! In the early days, I think that had more to do with DR's inability to have a working website for that amount of traffic + artificial sell outs. They all got caught with their pants down in the first year or so. But they seemed to take this mistake/plan and run with it!

In truth, I think all these policies are enacted as to create controversy. Toyguru has said that any news, regardless if it is good or bad, gets people talking about the property.
Yeah, you're probably right. It's a shame they won't ADVERTISE though. There was even a big discussion on the Org where (apparently) a lot of online retailers didn't even know that 2013 Subs were on sale. Mattel's not even get their own word out there!

Controversy/Scare Tactics, all this stuff is why I find it really hard to buy in! Forget the drama and the BS, just make the line succeed with a system and a Model that works! I mean, I'm not asking for much... I'm basically just asking for Mattel to make money! ;)

kup

29th July 2012, 11:58 AM

Do you follow football?

How many season ticket holders are angry when their team is not performing? How many of them get frustrated when their suggestions are not being listened to? How many think a change of coach will fix everything? How many still support their team in the end, no matter what?

Nearly all of them. And they are paying customers.

I don't really follow sports but I don't think that's the same thing. We are paying for a service and a product that Mattel does not seem all that willing to seriously honor.

When the sports fan buys his ticket, he is given exactly what he has paid for and that is to be in the audience for the game regardless of the outcome.

Matty is more of a 'I'll sell you a ticket but will not tell you who is playing' with an added 'I will also randomly deny you access to the game but will not refund you'

Robzy

29th July 2012, 12:09 PM

Look, I think sport is completely different. When you buy a ticket, you're buying hope... You don't know if your team will win, lose or draw.

Mattel makes toys, and promises that if you pay you WILL receive said toys. Now, when they don't arrive, or have defects, and they reply with "It's your fault for not getting the expensive shipping" or "Yeah, Roboto's reversed shoulders really kills me" but aren't prepared to do anything about it... well, that is wrong! I don't want to gamble with my toy collecting!

Sports teams don't blame the fans if they lose. If anything, they THANK the fans for their continued support. They're not "exclusive", rather the exact opposite... very "inclusive".

TheFallen

29th July 2012, 12:18 PM

I don't really follow sports but I don't think that's the same thing. We are paying for a service and a product that Mattel does not seem all that willing to seriously honor.

When the sports fan buys his ticket, he is given exactly what he has paid for and that is to be in the audience for the game regardless of the outcome.

Matty is more of a 'I'll sell you a ticket but will not tell you who is playing' with an added 'I will also randomly deny you access to the game but will not refund you'

It is the same thing as far as the fandom is concerned. It is the same emotional and monetary investment to a property. When both put their money in, in their mind they know what they are hoping to get for that money.

Try being a financial supporter to a losing team. You know going in that your money is helping to keep the team a float and you hope that things are going to turn around but the truth is, your team sucks no matter how many times they come out and say this is the year we turn it around. I see so many similarities with this that I see with MOTUC.

I will never argue against someone who thinks this line has been mismanaged because that is the truth, it has been mismanaged. Right from the start this line has been plagued by QC issues (SDCC King Grayskull's broken ankle) and poor decision making (50 minutes sell outs) but it was the fandom that kept it alive. From subscribers to cherry pickers, we are all supporting the line in our own way.

I personally, have been very lucky (I don't have a broken Goddess or cracked Snout Spout) and I can look over the collection I have amassed and be satisfied, even if I did not get every single figure in my initial wish list. I can only offer my opinion on what has happened to me personally, so that means no missed Fistos, no lost packages and no big issues with DR. I won't deny those things have happened because the evidence is there, but until it happens to me that is not my problem and not my concern.

The constant back and forth between Mattel and the fans has been exhausting and dizzying. The lack of updates has people on edge, myself included. It is time for me to step back and show some patience and see what happens in another week.

Tetsuwan Convoy

29th July 2012, 12:37 PM

MOTU died once didn't it? I am sure that even if MOTUC fades eventually a revival will happen. After all these things come in cycles. Transformers, TMNT, Thundercats.

You can't keep a good toy line down.

Kurdt and I had issues with some figures apparently being rejected delivery (at our end) much sooner than they would have normally taken to get here. I thought that very fishy and DR wouldn't refund the postage... From what I have read from others cust. service alone, I am surprised that MOTUC has gone on for so long.

I strongly disagree with the Sub option only of them and probably won't bother with MOTUC anymore.

If (probably more likely when) a movie is made, more figures will come.

Robzy

29th July 2012, 06:16 PM

MOTU died once didn't it?
At least twice. Some people say 3.

I am sure that even if MOTUC fades eventually a revival will happen. After all these things come in cycles. Transformers, TMNT, Thundercats.
Problem is... and it's one of the reason places like the Org has gone crazy... is many people have said MOTUC will be the last line for them. They will not start again!! Some of the angry comments about people not blindly buying in to a Sub are coming from supposed "die-hard" fans who have also said they won't collect a new line :rolleyes: That explains their mentality!!

I strongly disagree with the Sub option only of them and probably won't bother with MOTUC anymore.
Yep. It's out-dated.

Right now, I wish I wasn't banned so that I can set a lot of the idiots at He-Man.org straight.
I've been targeted now too :D

I'll keep flying the flag, but I need my wing man back :D

kup

29th July 2012, 06:57 PM

I've been targeted now too :D

I'll keep flying the flag, but I need my wing man back :D

From what I have seen you have been pretty good at shooting them down all on your own! :cool:

I like how you immediately brought up Scott's contradictions with Mattel management supporting the line. It really shows that regardless if the line is in trouble or not, Scott is not being straight with us.

Robzy

31st July 2012, 02:21 AM

For anyone who thinks Scott doesn't give generic and formulaic responses, check out the below quotes. But let me give you some background. Now, this just affects the Ghostbusters fans, but it's directly linked to all the problems with MOTU and Scott...

Here's the story...

Mattel cancelled the Ghostbusters Sub (after saying the line was in "great shape". Hmmmm sound familiar?)
He promised (in writing) we the fans would still get Zuul for $20
He then promised Zuul would not be an exclusive (which, she was... SDCC 2012 exclusive at $25 :rolleyes:)
Offered us a "Thank you" - but took nearly 6 months of nagging to announce it
"Thank you" is revealed to be a GITD Slimer repaint :rolleyes:
Announces awesome Ecto-goggles prop -Yay!
Allows MOTUC Sub holders to gain early access to Ecto-goggles (before GB fans on DOS)
Scott says if Ghostbusters fans' bought more subs it wouldn't have happened (So, it's OUR fault?)! :eek:
Scott suggests we stay positive. Maybe even consider buying a MOTU Sub to ensure we get GB Ecto-goggles!

Here's are Scott's responses to angry customers, who feel they're being screwed in order to give MOTU fans more incentives to buy more Subs...

If there were enough GB fans, we would have a GB sub. But 2012 showed that their just are not enough GB fans to support a figure sub right now.
Even though he told us there were!

You are already jumping to the conclusion that you won't be able to get the Googles day of. Honestly, I prefer to stay positive and not dread hypothetical negative outcomes that don't even exist yet.

I understand your feelings, but take a step back. You have already jumped to a "worst case scenario" in your own mind that doesn't exist yet. How in the world do you know that all the stock will be bought up by sub holders? Try not to live in a hypothetical negative reality. Think positive. Or else mood slime will get you.

But you are already in a negative hypothetical reality where you can't get goggles. How do you know that is going to happen?

Try to stay positive. Lets see what happens before we jump into negative hypothetical situations.

Honestly, you are already jumping to a negative hypothetical conclusion and assuming all of the stock will be bought up by early access. How do you know that is going to happen? Stay positive! It works for mood slime.

How in the world do you know all of the stock will be bought up in early access? How do you know we aren't adjusting quotas to compensate? You are already in a hypothetical negative conclusion that doesn't actually exist. Why don't we wait and see what happens before getting upset about a situation which may not even exist. ;-)

Yes i guess it is POSSIBLE you may miss out. But it is also possible there may be plenty of goggles for all!

Try not to jump to hypothetical worst case scenario conclusions. If you are always thinking the worst you will attract the worst. I try to stay positive and always hope for the best! Well, that and mood slime.

Oh. My. God. :eek::rolleyes:

Cut and Paste much?? :rolleyes:

He seems to love repeating how we're all jumping to a hypothetical negative conclusion in the reality of our minds, and reminding us to chill like "Mood Slime"

This guy has got to be stopped. He has no idea what he is doing. It's not enough to completely alienate MOTUC fans, he wants the DCUC and GB fans to hate him too??!!

But, to be fair, Scott doesn't always just type the same generic answers! No... sometimes he comes up with pearls of wisdom like this...

No one is saying it is fair. Life is not fair.

Thanks for looking out for us Scotty :rolleyes:

kup

31st July 2012, 11:03 AM

Robzy

31st July 2012, 01:14 PM

Yeah, it is very clear that Scott's mismanagement of the line is not 'opinion' or anything subjective like that but absolute and documented fact.

Despite all that, there are still people out there that defend him as if he were some sort of hero despite all the abuse. Again, they seem like battered wives to me, Scott can do whatever he wants to them and they are still supporting him. If they start to get a bit annoyed, all that Scott needs to do is another stupid video saying the same old rethoric and suddenly he is a 'super fan' again in their eyes :rolleyes:

I just had to re-post this comment that someone made...

Mattel has FRIGHTENED me into subscribing this year. Last year, they BULLIED me because I needed a Shadow Weaver so badly!

Seriously! Someone actually wrote that! :eek: And yet this doesn't shut up fanatics who say Subbers are all happy creatures and "true fans". :rolleyes:

Amusingly enough, He-Man.org locked a thread which a guys started discussing Scott's 'Scare tactics'. This fascist information control they are doing to gain Mattel's favor is really stupid. All that it does, is create divisions in the fandom and gives Mattel the wrong idea of how the line is perceived.
Yeah I saw that!

But they will allow countless, repetitive "Buy a Sub" threads. Not to mention the videos, twitter campaigns, artwork, and "celebrity" appeals. There's a new thread for just about every one of those :rolleyes: Even Pixel Dan has a new "Wake up call" video, a passionate plea to the fans. I'm getting sick of these everyday. I wish people (especially people like Pixel Dan, who's own opinion seems to formulate the opinions of many) would stop pleading with fans to save the line, and start pleading with Mattel to do it! Plead with them to fix all of the issues! Mattel is the one who needs a "Wake up call"... not the customers/fans!! :rolleyes:

There are so many choice quotes there at the moment, but this was a real gem. Someone complaining that enough people aren't subbing...

I wish whatever would bring people back would happen, whatever it is
Um... fix the problems maybe? :rolleyes:

Tallestblue

31st July 2012, 02:08 PM

kup

31st July 2012, 02:08 PM

If I wasn't banned, I would seriously go and create a 'Mattel wake up' thread.

Pixel Dan and the He-Man.org staff seem too willing to humor Scott's game of blaming the fans for lack of sub sales. Due to the 'follow the leader' personalities there, they are loosing focus on the fact that people are not buying subs because they are fed up with Mattel.

Robzy

31st July 2012, 02:17 PM

I am seriously over all this crap.I've considered subbing up a lot in the past few weeks but is looks like finances won't cover it and BBTS is has sold out of preorders for Jitsu and there was apparently a blink and you'll miss it for Ram-Man. I just want my god-damn He-man and She-Ra toys dammit! looks i'll be buying them off ebay and going the BBTS route for others. At least I won't have to deal with things getting lost or not replaced, right?
True dat!

I honestly wonder how it's gonna go. There's still another week to go, but I wonder if the Sub will reach 100% min. If they 'miraculously' get over the line at the last minute, I will be a little skeptical. Almost like they've got better numbers now then what they're letting on. Still, I don't give a crap either anymore. If the Sub fails, we'll surely still get figures in 2013... either as pre-orders or DOS. We will likely see Ram Man and Co, but may have to pay a lot more for them.

If I wasn't banned, I would seriously go and create a 'Mattel wake up' thread.
Well, you'll be back soon ;)

Seriously though, a thread like that will just get deleted or closed! But not before the countless Apologists write stuff like "*sigh* really another one?" or "haven't we heard this already?" :rolleyes:

kup

31st July 2012, 03:37 PM

Well, you'll be back soon ;)

Seriously though, a thread like that will just get deleted or closed! But not before the countless Apologists write stuff like "*sigh* really another one?" or "haven't we heard this already?" :rolleyes:

Yeah I know. It just feels like such a waste and the problem is that in reality, it is clear that not enough has been said on the actual causes of the situation. People do not understand what actually went wrong and they are unwittingly helping to spin things in Scot's favor with all these 'pleads to fans' instead of holding Mattel accountable.

If this continues this way, if MOTUC dies, it will die for nothing and not a lesson will be learned on Mattel's side as officially it will be 'the fans fault for not supporting the line' setting up the same pattern of failure for a future line if it ever happens.

Robzy

31st July 2012, 05:23 PM

I'm over trying to convince Org members. A lot of them have fingers in ears, eyes closed singing "La-la-la-la... Can't hear you!" At least there seem to be a lot of members still fighting against it, only to be met by the same half a dozen people telling them to "buy a Sub" or "move on" :rolleyes:

If Mattel, to use Scott's own words, "Screw the pooch" with MOTUC then, they will inevitably try to re-boot it again in a few years. Problem is I think a lot of people, some of them hard core collectors, won't be back. I certainly am not starting all over again... that will be the 4th time for me. A movie line might tempt me, but if it's just a generic 'MOTUC 2.0' then forget it.

Seems like DCUC is all but dead. We already know GB is! And Mattel have cancelled their Batman Legacy line, which annoyed a lot of people. Now, with MOTUC on "the chopping block" (again, Scott's words) I wonder what Mattel will be producing for collectors like us.

Tetsuwan Convoy

31st July 2012, 09:38 PM

Just saw Pixel Dans vid post.

Lol, sad times. For Dan!:D

Tallestblue

31st July 2012, 10:25 PM

I did kind of want to give him a hug.

but I have a weird thing for Pixel Dan.

sadly he only has eyes for Toyguru.....

kup

31st July 2012, 11:09 PM

The apologists at the Org must be retarded. Look at this one:

This is how I feel. Now lets hear the "he's the brand manager" arguments

So Scott being the brand manager and responsible for the line is now an "argument". WTF? Looks like they have drunk way too much moonshine. Their noggins are no longer working too good.

Tetsuwan Convoy

1st August 2012, 12:14 AM

I did kind of want to give him a hug.

but I have a weird thing for Pixel Dan.

sadly he only has eyes for Toyguru.....

Bwa ha ha ha! funny and appropriate.

well done!

TheFallen

1st August 2012, 12:42 AM

For anyone who thinks Scott doesn't give generic and formulaic responses, check out the below quotes. But let me give you some background. Now, this just affects the Ghostbusters fans, but it's directly linked to all the problems with MOTU and Scott...

Here's the story...

Mattel cancelled the Ghostbusters Sub (after saying the line was in "great shape". Hmmmm sound familiar?)
He promised (in writing) we the fans would still get Zuul for $20
He then promised Zuul would not be an exclusive (which, she was... SDCC 2012 exclusive at $25 :rolleyes:)
Offered us a "Thank you" - but took nearly 6 months of nagging to announce it
"Thank you" is revealed to be a GITD Slimer repaint :rolleyes:
Announces awesome Ecto-goggles prop -Yay!
Allows MOTUC Sub holders to gain early access to Ecto-goggles (before GB fans on DOS)
Scott says if Ghostbusters fans' bought more subs it wouldn't have happened (So, it's OUR fault?)! :eek:
Scott suggests we stay positive. Maybe even consider buying a MOTU Sub to ensure we get GB Ecto-goggles!

Here's are Scott's responses to angry customers, who feel they're being screwed in order to give MOTU fans more incentives to buy more Subs...

Even though he told us there were!

Oh. My. God. :eek::rolleyes:

Cut and Paste much?? :rolleyes:

He seems to love repeating how we're all jumping to a hypothetical negative conclusion in the reality of our minds, and reminding us to chill like "Mood Slime"

This guy has got to be stopped. He has no idea what he is doing. It's not enough to completely alienate MOTUC fans, he wants the DCUC and GB fans to hate him too??!!

But, to be fair, Scott doesn't always just type the same generic answers! No... sometimes he comes up with pearls of wisdom like this...

Thanks for looking out for us Scotty :rolleyes:

If it helps, I know some one who has a sub that wouldn't mind using his early access to grab the goggles for you if you wanted ;)

On topic, I have no doubt that he 2013 sub will go through. I will be honest, I have been back and forth on thinking if it will or won't and it has been doing my head in.

But the truth is, even if there is only 64% of the minimum for the sub to go through, that is still 64% of guaranteed sales. There is no way Mattel are going to cancel something that has so many guaranteed sales. Yes, they did cancel the GB sub but let's face it, that wasn't doing good numbers and I am sure the MOTUC sub has already sold way more than the GB sub did.

All I know is, in 2 years I will have completed my MOTUC collection and I can just pick up any extras that come along after. I'm looking forward to seeing Rio Blast in the second half of 2013 ;)

Lord_Zed

1st August 2012, 12:51 AM

Ok just wandered in here after reading the Save MOTUC line on TNI and then read the last three pages, and I'm like Wow! (but not the good kind).

I knew from discussion with Kup there was a Toyguru guy in the Aron Archer role for MOTUC but I didn't know it was so bad.

Amusingly enough, He-Man.org locked a thread which a guys started discussing Scott's 'Scare tactics'. This fascist information control they are doing to gain Mattel's favor is really stupid. All that it does, is create divisions in the fandom and gives Mattel the wrong idea of how the line is perceived.

They should release a new subscription only character Hitlor, he can wear a Mattel armband.

Tallestblue

1st August 2012, 01:13 AM

They should release a new subscription only character Hitlor, he can wear a Mattel armband.

Is it sick that I'd gladly buy Hitlor? Hmm.

Add to add some fuel to an out of control fire someone on the org is saying that going forward the "A-list" POP characters for 2013/14 will be-

Glimmer
Angella
Castaspella
Mermista

I'm not sure how much of this is fact but if we saw two of these Girls this year (along with say...Scorpia maybe?) I'd be a happy camper, well.
I'd still be disgruntled at the bullying and the scare-mongering and what is pretty much someone holding toys for ransom from me but at least I'd have a sparkly mermaid toy.

Robzy

1st August 2012, 02:10 AM

The apologists at the Org must be retarded. Look at this one:

So Scott being the brand manager and responsible for the line is now an "argument". WTF? Looks like they have drunk way too much moonshine. Their noggins are no longer working too good.
Well, whether or not he's a "manager" or a "mis-manager" is debatable I guess :D

If it helps, I know some one who has a sub that wouldn't mind using his early access to grab the goggles for you if you wanted ;)

You're a good man :) But how sad is it that a fan has to come to my aid? I wish Scott/Matty would treat their customers half as well as people like you do (other customers!). It shouldn't be up to you to fix their transgressions.

But the truth is, even if there is only 64% of the minimum for the sub to go through, that is still 64% of guaranteed sales. There is no way Mattel are going to cancel something that has so many guaranteed sales. Yes, they did cancel the GB sub but let's face it, that wasn't doing good numbers and I am sure the MOTUC sub has already sold way more than the GB sub did.

Again, GB fans had no warning. Imagine (in the current MOTUC situation) there were no video pleas by Scott, or Pixel Dan, or pleas from the 4H, or "celebrity" videos, or twitter and facebook campaigns, or fan-made commercials and artwork and ads... imagine none of that existed because Scott/Matty gave you no warning Sub sales were so low. Imagine they closed with a meager 46% of the min. MOTUC would be as dead as GB. So, again, that's why many GB fans are p!ssed. Add to that the fact that now MOTUC Subbers get early access to GB products and you can understand why the GB fandom feels like they've just received a hard kick right in the plums!

Ok just wandered in here after reading the Save MOTUC line on TNI and then read the last three pages, and I'm like Wow! (but not the good kind).
It's epic!

They should release a new subscription only character Hitlor, he can wear a Mattel armband.
Now, I would buy Hitlor! I can smell a custom figure :eek: Although, don't suggest this on the org... they will ban you ;)

TheFallen

1st August 2012, 10:27 AM

kup

1st August 2012, 10:35 AM

After listening to the latest RGD, it was said that International fans would still get replacement figures for lost packages or QC issues if they had trackable shipping.

I just looked up how much shipping will be for my subscriptions and it is only $7 extra than what I was already paying. I never had a lost package but I am going to change my shipping method. I might even get my figures earlier now ;)

You also get a 'one replacement per year' limit. So you have to think hard if the issue is severe enough to warrant replacement and gamble. If you use your single slot too early, you may get burned by a future figure with a worse defect or if you use it too late, there may not be enough service stock to cover you.

TheFallen

1st August 2012, 11:06 AM

Robzy

1st August 2012, 11:58 AM

You also get a 'one replacement per year' limit. So you have to think hard if the issue is severe enough to warrant replacement and gamble. If you use your single slot too early, you may get burned by a future figure with a worse defect or if you use it too late, there may not be enough service stock to cover you.

There is a limit? Are you sure?

Yep. That's correct... at least according to Scott.

I made this point on the Org the other day, but of course it was brushed over! It's like being on a game show... do I use my one and only "replace defective item/phone a friend" option now, or save it for later? It's basically a gamble.

TheFallen

1st August 2012, 12:16 PM

Yep. That's correct... at least according to Scott.

I made this point on the Org the other day, but of course it was brushed over! It's like being on a game show... do I use my one and only "replace defective item/phone a friend" option now, or save it for later? It's basically a gamble.

Have you got a link to where it was said?

Sharky

1st August 2012, 12:41 PM

Chapter Three of DC's Digital comic hit this week and it focused on Battle Cat

it is a nice little peak into the past of Battle Cat and the Green Tigor Clan

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/Sharkysparky/cHAPTER3sM.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/Sharkysparky/IMG_0882pngSM.png

i kind of liked how the narration was short and sweet, focussing on emotions to a degree.

i am not sure if this version of Battlecat actually talks....

kup

1st August 2012, 02:17 PM

Have you got a link to where it was said?

From Mattel's Q&A:
Q: Can you please officially confirm (with direct links if possible, please) if it is accurate that subscribing to MOTUC 2013 using the cheaper "International Postal" option now means that I will NOT be eligible for replacement of defective stock, since this method is not trackable?

I already heard Toy Guru state that "lost-in-the-mail" figures will NOT be replaced if you choose this option, but is it also true that defective stock will not be replaced either?

My main problem is that I really DON'T require faster shipping and really can't afford it.
So, I need to know officially and definitively if this is the case, and if so I'd like to know when this policy actually changed, because I've always got replacements for damaged stock in the past, despite always using the cheapest international shipping method available.

I would be a real shame to be forced to use a more expensive shipping method for no reason other than to ensure that defective product will be replaced -- this hardly seems fair, since Digital River always did it in the past.

A:Correct. We can only replace product that is trackable. If you would like to be able to return product you need to use a trackable shipping method.

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?227751-Toyguru-Update-on-2013-Subscriptions&p=3085806&viewfull=1#post3085806

So if you don't have trackable shipping option, they won't replace your figure even if it's defective. :rolleyes:

It sounds that they won't even replace ONE figure if defective. You get a bad figure then 'Too bad' :mad:

Robzy

1st August 2012, 09:52 PM

I think someone contacted DR and got that 'One figure' replacement statement (although, as Kup points out, it might actually be a "no replacement" for defective items). Plus, DR don't have a good track record of delivering accurate information.

I realise they don't want to get scammed, but what I don't understand is... they CURRENTLY use that system, so why the sudden change (given all the other crap that's going down)? They are actively making it harder for customers moving forward. And, fair is fair - many of us might consider ourselves having already been scammed by Mattel (broken Goddess/Snout Spout, yellowing Stay Puft, etc...).

Lord_Zed

1st August 2012, 11:10 PM

I'm a bit curious about these web comics, they seem like they are the same random universe deal that we see with Transformers Club. Multiple universes seem to be an excuse for no story. Can anyone who has read them tell me if they are actually any good?

Now, I would buy Hitlor! I can smell a custom figure :eek: Although, don't suggest this on the org... they will ban you ;)

But you can't buy Hitlor, unless you have a sub, then you have to get unwanted figures like King Spector, Battleground Spector, and Nemesis Spector.

No I kid, I don't actually even really collect much MOTUC (only have four figures) but I've still got fan rage at how Mattel seems to be treating their customer base for MOTUC. It reminds me of other companies.

That's it Mattel you have joined my personal Axis of Evil toy and miniature companies, (don't get me started on my Axis of evil of software companies that list goes forever).

Lord Zed's personal Axis of Evil toy and miniature companies

Mattel (For blaming customers for the decline of what was once a good looking toyline)

Hasbro (for general incompetence and servitude to Wallmart)

Games Workshop (For constant price increases and draconian business practices)

Sam

1st August 2012, 11:27 PM

TheFallen

1st August 2012, 11:43 PM

kup

2nd August 2012, 12:22 AM

So it is just the non track able method that doesn't get a replacement?

That gels with what I had already read, I just got a bit concerned about only one replacement per year with track able shipping

Hopefully that will not get officially confirmed but it is still pretty bad if you receive the faulty figure and Mattel won't exchange it just because you chose a cheaper shipping method. The figure arrived!

kup

2nd August 2012, 12:23 AM

Lord Zed's personal Axis of Evil toy and miniature companies

Mattel (For blaming customers for the decline of what was once a good looking toyline)

Hasbro (for general incompetence and servitude to Wallmart)

Games Workshop (For constant price increases and draconian business practices)

Awesome! Mine would be similar only that instead of Games Workshop. I would have EA games instead for acquiring awesome smaller developers and forcing them to release mediocre crap but they are not really a toy company.

...Yeah I can't think of any other toy company that has done me wrong in the past.

TheFallen

2nd August 2012, 12:40 AM

So Jazwares doesn't get a mention? They get great licenses and make crap figures

Robzy

2nd August 2012, 11:47 AM

I feel like I'm just bashing him all the time, but man... here's another Scott video. I suggest you watch it, but I could save you the effort and say he takes 4:11 minutes to say NOTHING! But at least it's available in HD right?:cool:

Here's the video (http://youtu.be/KNEwMNCv3BA?hd=1)

Watching it, my blood was boiling. There's nothing new, just tired old suggestions and promises. Why make a new video then? I wanna just a address some stuff. Basically the video doesn't give any new info, but he just rehashes the same 3 points... 1) Mattel's other sites don't offer int shipping at all, 2) try a pen-pal buddy system, and 3) He's "looking in to" a European distribution centre. So, as always, the "international fans" don't seem to include Australians. There seem to be no solutions for us at all. I realise we're small potatoes, but we still pay the same price as European fans and even US fans (adjusting for exchange rates, often more). Plus, he only said he's "looking in to " it... well all know he's been "looking in to" stuff for 4 years and nothing's changed!

Second point, is that he says (trying to talk up Sub sales of course) that
what we're offering is a subscription program that delivers these figures... to your doorstep
No, what you're offering is a sales program that does that. I've never bought a Subscription, and my figures are delivered to my DOORSTEP. I don't need to buy a Sub for that! :rolleyes: But he's trying to take that away, so it's only Sub or Die.

My favourite was the last point... changing addresses and CC details (Poe Ghostal has already documented that he's encountered problems with this). Now, as people will tell you, Scott's been promising for quite a while to have a "My Subscription" page up "soon". It's always "very close". A year ago he said "a couple of weeks". A year ago :eek: Now he says it's gonna go up...

in a matter of weeks, if not a month or 2. It will be up by January 2013.

I love it. I actually did laugh. Now, I'm not a Subber so this issue doesn't bother me, but I feel sorry for everyone who's been WAITING for over a year. Might have to keep waiting!! The part that made me laugh was the uncertain, contradicting way he said it... it went from "weeks" to "months" to "by Jan 2013" all in the space of 5 seconds. :eek: So, can anyone tell me when it will be up?

Now, this is him allaying the fears of customers who are concerned there will be no improvements??? :eek::rolleyes: This is him "putting to rest" some of the concerns of potential Subbers who won't commit???

It's really easy to say stuff like...

Yes... (we) hear you clearly!

Guys, take that off the table! If that's what's holding you off from getting a Subscription..? I am telling you it's fixed

...(Well... even though it's actually not "fixed" yet :rolleyes:) but it's a lot harder to actually do it. As some of the youtube comments suggest, this smacks of desperation from Scott to keep his job. Other toy companies don't have to make countless videos BEGGING customers to buy their products. Show some dignity man! :eek: It's embarrassing.

And of course he finishes with, what is now becoming his "catchphrase"... "We'll see ya in the toy aisles" (this, after explaining the difficult logistics of having toys at retail :rolleyes:) What is it with these guys now needing to have catchphrases (*Pixel Dan*)?

Lastly, I'd like to say Scott has completely forgotten what he's selling... he should be trying to sell MOTUC action figures, yet he spends all his time trying to sell Subscriptions. That's probably, in a nut shell, what's wrong with the line right now!

Lord_Zed

2nd August 2012, 08:48 PM

I like the Youtube comment that suggests he get a PR person. Seriously does acting like he does in these vids and badgering people into buying something ever work?

...Yeah I can't think of any other toy company that has done me wrong in the past.

I can, but that's for the lesser axis.

So Jazwares doesn't get a mention? They get great licenses and make crap figures

As it's a personal axis, and I don't know who they are afraid not. I'm sure they are worthy of axisification though. :D

kup

2nd August 2012, 11:16 PM

Seems like Scott was talking out of his behind again:

Originally Posted by MC Don
Defective products will be replaced when we receive them back at our warehouses. We do not pay the shipping for you to send it back, but a replacement will be issued free of charge (including shipping) once the item is received.

I am here to help.

According to MC Don from Mattycollector, defective figures will be replaced regardless of shipping used but it will be the responsibility of the customer to return the faulty figure first.

This is no change to the present policy, however you are trusting that DR will be organized enough to be able to receive and record the arrival of the returned figure.

Tallestblue

2nd August 2012, 11:37 PM

So, once again my debate to sub or not to sub is chosen for me in the form of 400 dollars worth of bills. So I guess I dodged a bullet perhaps.

kup

3rd August 2012, 03:20 PM

Tetsuwan Convoy

3rd August 2012, 09:19 PM

You know I find this interesting.

If I went to Mattel and said

"I have an idea for an AWESOME toy line that will sell heaps and make you a bung load of dosh. All I need is some backing. Buut I only have 4 figures that I can show you right now. So give me the money and lets get the ball rolling!"

What do you think their response would be?

And yet They expect us to do the same for them? no thank-you.

Scott is amusing me right now (it's kind of sad), but I feel for those who love MOTUC more than I.

Robzy

4th August 2012, 12:05 AM

I have served my time in the gulag and now have been released and able to post at He-Man.org.

I will continue speaking my mind on the whole situation so let's see how long it takes until they drag me back in for some 'Social reconditioning'

BRING IT!! :D

You know I find this interesting.

If I went to Mattel and said

"I have an idea for an AWESOME toy line that will sell heaps and make you a bung load of dosh. All I need is some backing. Buut I only have 4 figures that I can show you right now. So give me the money and lets get the ball rolling!"

What do you think their response would be?

And yet They expect us to do the same for them? no thank-you.

Scott is amusing me right now (it's kind of sad), but I feel for those who love MOTUC more than I.

Oh yeah, it's absolutely double standards... total BS!!

Scott's turned in to a sad little man, but I still think it's all part of the act. He's spun this whole thing to make him look like a HERO, fighting against the evil forces of Management who have put MOTUC on the "chopping block"... even though he has said (a couple of times now) "Management believe in this line!" :rolleyes: Talk about have it both ways. But a lot of Subbers keep gobbling it up!

A lot of his responses on the Matty forum are doom and gloom, but elsewhere, including his recent videos, he's really positive. Surely he realises we don't just get our info from only one source!

Tallestblue

4th August 2012, 01:21 AM

kup

4th August 2012, 11:37 AM

See..this stuff can be likened to drugs, and Toyguru is our dealer.

I NEED MOTUC toys (And Voltron Classics)

I NEED THEM.

Scotty's been giving us our fix for a while and now we're totally hooked he's jacking up the price for a product that doesn't give us the high it used to.

Amiright?

It's a bit of an extreme analogy but I can't disagree with it. The overall behavior from the 'provider' and the 'receiver' is very similar.

kup

4th August 2012, 11:42 AM

TheFallen

4th August 2012, 11:46 AM

Good that they are focusing on a character fans actually care about.

Yeah but the SLL issue was still better than the actual figure

Sky Shadow

4th August 2012, 12:00 PM

Good that they are focusing on a character fans actually care about.

You may not feel that way once you see who wrote it. :p

I quite liked the art, Panthor's presence and the last two pages, but again there's a distinct lack of Masters imagery or easter eggs for a franchise with such a visually rich history. The writing almost reaches the heights of mediocrity, and it's hilarious that DC got Mike Costa to write a MOTU comic - if he thought Transformers were "not looked upon favourably... in the comic book community," and that we are all "unpleasant", "arrogant" and "hostile" and don't know what we want... MOTU is probably not a good stop on his tour of toy franchises to write fifth-rate stories for.