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griffin
17th May 2012, 08:10 PM
For those buying Transformers toys and aren't sure if it is a fake or legit figure...

1st - check out the archive links here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=9470) for known Knock Offs & how to spot them,

2nd - have a quick look at the topic titles (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=36) in our Knock Off section to see if an alert has recently been posted about it,

3rd - post here with your query if the first two options didn't help you out, as someone here may know or will direct you to somewhere that can help.


BE AWARE - Knock Offs are not permitted on Ebay, even if the seller says that it is (or uses the word "Reissue" on something that was not officially reissued). If you fall victim to an ebay sale that was deceptive, you can open up a dispute, as it would be "not receiving an item as described".
If the item was clearly listed as being a Knock Off, it may be more difficult to open a dispute, so contact the seller first to resolve the problem before escalating it.

Kapryiath
4th June 2012, 09:49 PM
hey guys i bought one of these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transformers-Encore-12-G1-Reissue-Metroplex-Takara-Tomy-/200738858098?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item2ebcf7e472

a while ago and am a bit paranoid it may be a KO are there any features i can look for to distinguish it? i found a lot of info on the free poster box variant KO but nothing for this box style though?

kup
4th June 2012, 10:05 PM
That's Encore Metroplex. It is a legit reissue.

Slag
7th June 2012, 06:21 PM
Are these (first 2) k.o. (cant see takara on it) and with that wheeljack, is that the same as the marlborough one mentioned before? and what should someone pay for it.. roughly. (if different)
cheers

Skullcruncher
7th June 2012, 06:57 PM
Are these (first 2) k.o. (cant see takara on it) and with that wheeljack, is that the same as the marlborough one mentioned before? and what should someone pay for it.. roughly. (if different)
cheers

I'd say the first two are legit, they look very like the takara versions but photo too small for me! Heh maybe $100 each? The wheeljack just looks like ths standard old wheeljack :D $250-$300 if complete? :confused:

Slag
7th June 2012, 07:55 PM
Cool. Thanks mate..

GoktimusPrime
7th June 2012, 09:06 PM
Those photos are way too small to tell. :( But here are some pics of the legits for comparison:
Savanna RX-7 (http://diaclone.net/orid/diadcha/06301.jpg)
Celica XX (http://diaclone.net/orid/diadcha/06501.jpg)
Lancia Stratos Turbo (http://diaclone.net/orid/dia053/05310.jpg)

Slag
7th June 2012, 09:23 PM
Yeah. i just dragged and dropped the thumbnails. sorry bout that. Either way they cost too much and i need to tighten my belt..:( so they're not for me..this time.
it's hard to believe that the red wheeljack is so much more than the other.
but thats just how it is i guess:rolleyes:

liegeprime
8th June 2012, 12:48 AM
That's because the Red wheeljack was more scarce in production, the green version is the common one so is a bit cheaper - the ones in your pics are diaclone versions - that wheeljack even has it's little driver in there - those would be pricy items

Trent
12th June 2012, 12:06 PM
Was there ever a KO jetfire/Grimlock 2 pack? Cause this (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hasbro-Transformers-Classics-R-I-D-Autobot-Jetfire-Vs-Grimlock-Figure-Boxset-/120889258054?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item1c258fb046#ht_1686wt_991) seems like a really good deal but I'm forever the skeptic.

canofwhoopass_87
12th June 2012, 06:38 PM
Was there ever a KO jetfire/Grimlock 2 pack? Cause this (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hasbro-Transformers-Classics-R-I-D-Autobot-Jetfire-Vs-Grimlock-Figure-Boxset-/120889258054?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item1c258fb046#ht_1686wt_991) seems like a really good deal but I'm forever the skeptic.

Nah no knock offs that I know of. He's sold a heap of them, so other people seem to be confident of this as well. Get in quick man, only 4 left!

Trent
12th June 2012, 07:41 PM
Nah no knock offs that I know of. He's sold a heap of them, so other people seem to be confident of this as well. Get in quick man, only 4 left!
Cheers for that, might grab one.

liegeprime
12th June 2012, 10:31 PM
Australia seems to have missed out on that two-pack. All I remember seeig on the shelves was a Prime and Magnus (ultra rare), Magnus and Skywarp (rare). AFAIK and as whoopy said I don't think it's a fake/KO.

GoktimusPrime
13th June 2012, 11:29 AM
Yeah, we didn't get that Jetfire/Dinobot 2 pack.

Also, I don't recall Ultra Magnus and Skywarp being rare at all. They were quite plentiful and in fact took some time to sell. I remember passing up on that set a lot of times because I wanted Skywarp, but I didn't want Ultra Magnus. In the end I caved and bought the set for Skywarp. Ironically I've since sold my Classics Skywarp (after getting Gentei Skywarp) but have kept Ultra Magnus. :) But I certainly don't remember that set being rare or anything.

5FDP
13th June 2012, 12:37 PM
I don't know if the Skywarp / Magnus 2-pack was rare in my area (I do recall seeing it a couple of times at Target Castle Hill), but it's massively inflated value on eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-Ultra-Magnus-Vs-Skywarp-Autobot-City-New-/300576876795?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item45fbc728fb) leads me to believe it was everywhere else.

Like you Goki I passed on it because I had no interest in Magnus and held out for an individual release of Skywarp to complete my '84 seekers (according to a regular board member this should have happened last September). Unfortunately I am still Skywarp-less :(

Slag
14th June 2012, 06:37 PM
how bout these types:confused:

GoktimusPrime
14th June 2012, 09:42 PM
Any chance you could upload a larger photo? It's kinda hard to read the fine print on the packaging on such a low resolution. I've never seen that box before, AFAIK Diaclone Jet Robo High Speed Fighter Type in box should look like this (http://diaclone.net/orid/diajet/hsbox01.jpg), and that looks totally different. I can't see any Takara logo on the box, but again, hard to tell at that small image size. :o

Slag
14th June 2012, 10:09 PM
Not sure if i can:confused:. I'm just ripping these pictures straight from the auction site
he has these ones too. I might err on the side of caution. (there is a grimlock too but its not loading for me atm)

Skullcruncher
17th June 2012, 06:12 PM
Not sure if i can:confused:. I'm just ripping these pictures straight from the auction site
he has these ones too. I might err on the side of caution. (there is a grimlock too but its not loading for me atm)

Are you sure they are boxes? :D

Kapryiath
23rd June 2012, 06:57 AM
i didnt realise the insecticons were ko'd?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-G1-3pcs-Insecticons-Figure-Figurine-ORIGINAL-BOX-/180905655982?pt=FR_YO_JeuxJouets_FigurineHerosSold ats&hash=item2a1ed13eae

geez ebay is getting pretty clogged with fakes atm :(

Slag
23rd June 2012, 09:09 AM
i didnt realise the insecticons were ko'd?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-G1-3pcs-Insecticons-Figure-Figurine-ORIGINAL-BOX-/180905655982?pt=FR_YO_JeuxJouets_FigurineHerosSold ats&hash=item2a1ed13eae

geez ebay is getting pretty clogged with fakes atm :(

It's utter crap isn't it.. really puts a sour taste in my mouth:(
the way some of them say they're a re-issue / ko edition.:confused:
some don't even mention that they're ko.
i pity the guys that are just starting out (for the g1 stuff anyway),.

Slag
23rd June 2012, 09:12 AM
Are you sure they are boxes? :D

Hey mate. missed your post:o. i thought they were, but they're long gone now.
i guess they could have been books or something..

Skullcruncher
23rd June 2012, 07:20 PM
Hey mate. missed your post:o. i thought they were, but they're long gone now.
i guess they could have been books or something..

Lol ... I think they are cards :D

Kapryiath
23rd June 2012, 07:59 PM
yeah it sure does suck , i dont plan on collecting a hell of alot of g1 but it seems all the figures i do want to pick up , have been ko'd at some point and seem to be flooding the market at the moment sigh. :(

griffin
23rd June 2012, 10:12 PM
I don't think those insecticons are even noted as being fakes... the only thing giving it away is the price. If they had been selling them for about $150, people would have jumped on them thinking they were original figures.

lj7369
9th August 2012, 07:02 AM
There is a guy on ioffer.com doing wholesale transactions from china. Flooding the market very effectively. Has a wide variety of g1 moulds. Worth a look at, if only so you know what to watch out for. The main giveaway with these china ko's is the packaging is bubble on card, inside "original" box. Apart from dinobot bommander grimlock, packaging is nearly 100% accurate. With the g1 rerelease id expect to see more of this crap circulating. Thats my 2 cents anyway......:)

Ae-Evolution
8th September 2012, 10:56 PM
I've been recently looking for a Cybertron Wingsaber/Sonic bomber and I've found a few on ebay from South Korea and I was wondering are they real or fake. From memory, it doesn't have a shiny chest plate but it pictures one.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Takara-Transformers-GC-22-Sonic-Bomber-Wing-Saber-Cybertron-Galaxy-Force-/130717607692?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item1e6f60670c#ht_1279wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Takara-Transformers-Galaxy-Force-GC-22-Sonic-Bomber-Wing-Saber-NEW-/290763543304?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item43b2db9308#ht_1792wt_1397

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-Galaxy-Force-GC-22-Sonic-Bomber-Wing-Saber-/120858642143?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item1c23bc86df#ht_2682wt_1397

Could someone help me identify them? Thanks.

liegeprime
8th September 2012, 11:02 PM
IM no Expert but, The Japanese version of the Cybertron series - Galaxy Force in Jap has Wingsaber with a chromed up chest plate much like the one in your link.

If this is a Korean figure they usually are official releases of the toy in Korean Packaging. Much like how it was with the Beast wars figures released by Sonokong in Korea under license from Hasbro... closest source of course would be Taktom instead of Hasbro hence Galaxy force version instead of the painted chest only that is Hasbro's release. They release TF figures there in their own packaging bearing Korean characters writings instead of English or Jap writings. That's nationalism for yah, but these are officially sanctioned I believe by Hasbro/Taktom

I believe the figure is Legit.

GoktimusPrime
8th September 2012, 11:16 PM
Yeah, looks legit. Mocom (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mocom_Toy) took over from Sonokong with releasing Transformers in South Korea. I blame Gangnam. :p :p

Sky Shadow
8th September 2012, 11:54 PM
Yep, they're legitimately licensed Transformers.

Lint
9th September 2012, 09:33 AM
I've been recently looking for a Cybertron Wingsaber/Sonic bomber and I've found a few on ebay from South Korea and I was wondering are they real or fake. From memory, it doesn't have a shiny chest plate but it pictures one.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Takara-Transformers-GC-22-Sonic-Bomber-Wing-Saber-Cybertron-Galaxy-Force-/130717607692?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item1e6f60670c#ht_1279wt_1163

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Takara-Transformers-Galaxy-Force-GC-22-Sonic-Bomber-Wing-Saber-NEW-/290763543304?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item43b2db9308#ht_1792wt_1397

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-Galaxy-Force-GC-22-Sonic-Bomber-Wing-Saber-/120858642143?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item1c23bc86df#ht_2682wt_1397

Could someone help me identify them? Thanks.

I have a Korean one. It is legit :cool:

Yukitora
9th September 2012, 12:12 PM
i want the shinee one :P

KalEl
9th September 2012, 12:40 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Takara-Transformers-GC-22-Sonic-Bomber-Wing-Saber-Cybertron-Galaxy-Force-/130717607692?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item1e6f60670c#ht_1327wt_1163
i got one of these! deff real

Ae-Evolution
10th September 2012, 09:22 PM
Okay, thanks guys. I've purchased one but now I have another one to ask about,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRANSFORMERS-2000-C-001-FIRE-CONVOY-OPTIMUS-PRIME-MISB-/280963008602?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item416ab3485a

Is this legit?

liegeprime
10th September 2012, 10:15 PM
yep... Jap version - Car Robots = RID Hasbro

Ae-Evolution
17th September 2012, 04:04 PM
Another one.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-KO-Remake-G1-Combiner-Gestalt-BRUTICUS-Combaticons-RID-Lot-Set-MISB-/150896345860?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionF igures_JN&hash=item23221f8304#ht_4742wt_1139

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Cybertron-Transformer-Armada-Skyboom-Shield-3-Mini-Cons-Race-Space-Team-Figure-/221108075592?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item337b117c48

Darthprimus
17th September 2012, 05:16 PM
it does say KO in the title description :)

Darthprimus
17th September 2012, 05:41 PM
if you havn't already get http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Takara-Transformers-R-I-D-Cybertron-C-023-God-Magnus-ULTRA-MAGNUS-/350543933564?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item519e0bf07c#ht_1557wt_1397 to add to your fire convoy. best transformer ever in my ever changing opinion. ( in there combined mode )

liegeprime
17th September 2012, 08:09 PM
Another one.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-KO-Remake-G1-Combiner-Gestalt-BRUTICUS-Combaticons-RID-Lot-Set-MISB-/150896345860?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionF igures_JN&hash=item23221f8304#ht_4742wt_1139

Definitely KO as Darthprimus has said. The seller is honest enough to say it in his Title.

Ae-Evolution
17th September 2012, 09:42 PM
What does KO exactly stand for?

Slag
17th September 2012, 10:03 PM
What does KO exactly stand for?

Knock Off ..:D

Bidoofdude
20th September 2012, 08:05 PM
This one.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-G1-Vintage-Trypticon-/160885906137?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25758c1ad9#ht_481wt_1346
I might snatch it up if it's legit.

Demonac
20th September 2012, 08:23 PM
This one.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-G1-Vintage-Trypticon-/160885906137?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25758c1ad9#ht_481wt_1346
I might snatch it up if it's legit.

It looks legit, but badly sunburnt.

Bidoofdude
20th September 2012, 08:27 PM
It looks legit, but badly sunburnt.

Cool, nothing a little polish and painting can fix. Might snatch it up.

liegeprime
20th September 2012, 08:47 PM
Just use the H2O2 creme instead of painting Bidoofdude. It will help lessen the yellowing and you don't have to take the figure apart, just get a paint brush so you can apply it more specifically to which areas need it only.
Oh and be careful handling the stuff , goggles and gloves and if your not sure your dexterous ebough get someone who can help ok?

Lookup the thread - Whitening yellowed toys with Hydrogen peroxide, to see what Im talking about

Hope you win this, oh and snipe so you don't jack up the price :D;)

theheretic
25th September 2012, 04:53 PM
This one.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-G1-Vintage-Trypticon-/160885906137?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25758c1ad9#ht_481wt_1346
I might snatch it up if it's legit.

Your lucky I didn't see this ;-)

Bidoofdude
24th November 2012, 07:23 PM
http://myworld.ebay.com.au/trainee007/
Seems like he has some good items. Although I have a weird feeling.
Any hints? Looks very professional though.

5FDP
24th November 2012, 07:57 PM
http://myworld.ebay.com.au/trainee007/
Seems like he has some good items. Although I have a weird feeling.
Any hints? Looks very professional though.

Post a link to the item(s) you are interested in for specific feedback. From what I can tell from browsing his sale items, it's a mix between 3rd party stuff and some reissues.

Bidoofdude
24th November 2012, 08:05 PM
Ok thanks, becuase the prices made the third party ones look a little fake, but that reassures me.

Bidoofdude
3rd December 2012, 07:43 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-G1-ENCORE-09-OMEGA-SUPREME-NEW-SEALED-BOX-/300824912227?pt=AU_Action_Figures&hash=item460a8fe163&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1089
This looks legit, but they seem quite rude and some have said that they're counterfeits, judging from what I've seen in the feedback.
I really need to find a MISB Encore 09 and this looks alright.

On a side note, what is the prices for Omega in Japan? (i.e Akihibara)

Kapryiath
4th December 2012, 10:17 PM
robotkingdom/bbts dont have it in stock? mine was pretty cheap from rk only a few months ago

GoktimusPrime
4th December 2012, 10:39 PM
On a side note, what is the prices for Omega in Japan? (i.e Akihibara)
Don't recall the exact price, but it was either RRP ($116) or below.

1orion2many
4th December 2012, 11:04 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-G1-ENCORE-09-OMEGA-SUPREME-NEW-SEALED-BOX-/300824912227?pt=AU_Action_Figures&hash=item460a8fe163&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1089
This looks legit, but they seem quite rude and some have said that they're counterfeits, judging from what I've seen in the feedback.
I really need to find a MISB Encore 09 and this looks alright.

On a side note, what is the prices for Omega in Japan? (i.e Akihibara)

I thought someone had one of the Encore Omegas for sale on this board but I can't remember if it was sealed:confused:

Ploughmans Lunch
5th December 2012, 10:59 AM
I thought someone had one of the Encore Omegas for sale on this board but I can't remember if it was sealed:confused:

Me but it isn't sealed.

spiderken17
9th December 2012, 06:03 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-G1-ENCORE-09-OMEGA-SUPREME-NEW-SEALED-BOX-/300824912227?pt=AU_Action_Figures&hash=item460a8fe163&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1089
This looks legit, but they seem quite rude and some have said that they're counterfeits, judging from what I've seen in the feedback.
I really need to find a MISB Encore 09 and this looks alright.

On a side note, what is the prices for Omega in Japan? (i.e Akihibara)

I wouldn't go near it. Way too much bad feedback for my liking.

Slag
21st December 2012, 07:58 PM
I (think i) know the answer but.. some people:rolleyes:
ko right?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221162144507#ht_570wt_1414

Jetfire in the sky
23rd December 2012, 08:11 AM
It's a vintage KO, so some still find it desirable. Definitely not original pre-TF Grimlock though :(
Bit pricey.

Slag
24th December 2012, 10:01 AM
It's a vintage KO, so some still find it desirable. Definitely not original pre-TF Grimlock though :(
Bit pricey.

I sent him a message and asked for a picture of the Takara stamp............
....no reply..

and $180 for postage??

Ae-Evolution
3rd January 2013, 12:07 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-BATTLE-TANKER-For-Transformers-RTS-G2-OPTIMUS-PRIME-/271072223930?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item3f1d29e2ba&_uhb=1#ht_3324wt_1397

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Transformers-Alternators-18cm-Red-Ford-GT-Rodimus-Gathering-Action-Figure-/300833826904?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionF igures_JN&hash=item460b17e858&_uhb=1

These a KO's?

Jetfire in the sky
3rd January 2013, 09:08 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-BATTLE-TANKER-For-Transformers-RTS-G2-OPTIMUS-PRIME-/271072223930?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item3f1d29e2ba&_uhb=1#ht_3324wt_1397

Is this a KO?

It looks like a third party upgrade kit

Megatron
4th January 2013, 12:41 PM
I need some help please! I'm looking at making another big purchase for a MISB G1 figure BUT I'm scared that if I post the link/source info here someone else may grab it! So... if you are an expert on identifying genuine G1 originals and can help confirm that the item is indeed genuine (or a KO), please PM me! I only have a few days on this.

Edit: Thanks very much to those who PMed me. I think I've got my answer now.

1orion2many
21st January 2013, 05:35 PM
I would like to think people on this forum wouldn't do that sort of thing to you:(

iamirondude
28th January 2013, 08:55 PM
does anyone know if the sealed G2 construsticons doing the rounds on ebay are the real deal?

Bidoofdude
28th January 2013, 10:02 PM
does anyone know if the sealed G2 construsticons doing the rounds on ebay are the real deal?

It depends on a particular one. There are many MOSC G2 Constructicons that are sealed and were part of another release. $80 for them all should be about it.:D

Kapryiath
29th January 2013, 07:43 AM
the yellow ones? without the combiner pieces? and grey parts on them?

then yes i'm pretty sure there a Europe variant

Waxpython
30th January 2013, 06:14 PM
does anyone know if this is the real deal ???

Winstontancp@yahoo.com.sg


Because some other members told me it's fake but it seems to good to be a knock off, i know he's grimlock is because of the packaging but he assured me his shockwave is real can anyone help ?

M-bot
30th January 2013, 06:29 PM
does anyone know if this is the real deal ???

Winstontancp@yahoo.com.sg


Because some other members told me it's fake but it seems to good to be a knock off, i know he's grimlock is because of the packaging but he assured me his shockwave is real can anyone help ?

My computer is putting up a warning that this may be a phishing site and not to proceed. Not taking the risk in following the link.

Waxpython
30th January 2013, 06:42 PM
My computer is putting up a warning that this may be a phishing site and not to proceed. Not taking the risk in following the link.

sorry wrong link ? you know what is that ? here's the real linkhttp://www.ioffer.com/i/transformers-g1-shockwave-reissue-brand-new-518286995

Bidoofdude
30th January 2013, 07:10 PM
Definite fake. Silver screws and wrong coloured art. I would stay on the safe side and not go for a MIB/MISB one. Especially the latter, since it's nigh impossible to get one in that condition.

Waxpython
30th January 2013, 07:11 PM
Definite fake. Silver screws and wrong coloured art. I would stay on the safe side and not go for a MIB/MISB one. Especially the latter, since it's nigh impossible to get one in that condition.

im still getting he accepted my offer of 40 dollars and it seems to be a high quality ko

Bidoofdude
30th January 2013, 07:13 PM
If you want it, I guess. Just make sure you don't sell it. That would be highly illegal.

Waxpython
30th January 2013, 07:34 PM
If you want it, I guess. Just make sure you don't sell it. That would be highly illegal.

not sure why I'm sure if it's legal if i state if it's a KO in the title but i wont be selling it anyway

Bidoofdude
30th January 2013, 07:39 PM
I meant that you can't link to the selling of KOs. Asking if it is a KO is different, of course. No worries mate.:cool:

DarkHyren
20th February 2013, 04:51 AM
Just wondering, are there any knock offs of more recent toys like the GDO/Generations or Prime lines?

Is there a list of what recent toys have been knocked off, something a bit more compiled and in depth then just whatever posts I can find in the KO section?

Is buying all my toys MISB (with the exception of G1, I know that the real thing would be way out of my budget if it was MISB) generally a good way to avoid knock offs, or is there still some risk involved?

5FDP
20th February 2013, 06:54 AM
Just wondering, are there any knock offs of more recent toys like the GDO/Generations or Prime lines?

Yes, there have been.


Is there a list of what recent toys have been knocked off, something a bit more compiled and in depth then just whatever posts I can find in the KO section?

Highendtfs (http://highendtfs.com/) is the best site for identifying a KO however this deals primarily with G1. TFW2005 has a KO identification section although I am unable to find it (maybe it's been removed :confused:).


Is buying all my toys MISB (with the exception of G1, I know that the real thing would be way out of my budget if it was MISB) generally a good way to avoid knock offs, or is there still some risk involved?

Many of the original boxes have been counterfeited however they are mostly easy to spot. Current toys such as the Movie line or Generations / Classics have obvious fake packaging which is sometimes almost humourous. KO's are easier to identify for the most part if they are sold MIB. Having said that though, I've seen many sales of G1 toys using repro boxes giving the impression that it is a legit MIB G1. If in doubt, always ask the seller for good quality pictures before making a purchase. If you are still unsure, ask one of the members here :)

DarkHyren
20th February 2013, 07:26 AM
Yes, there have been.Well that is most certainly troubling to hear, though if they are all as obvious as this one is-
http://i.imgur.com/m8XTtAY.jpg
then I have nothing to worry about :rolleyes:

But just in case, what is the likelihood that these are fakes?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/310423536713
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/310424661702

It's funny but whenever a seller on ebay has assurances that their items are "100% real and authentic" I tend to think exactly the opposite lol

Megatron
20th February 2013, 08:02 AM
But just in case, what is the likelihood that these are fakes?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/310423536713
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/310424661702

It's funny but whenever a seller on ebay has assurances that their items are "100% real and authentic" I tend to think exactly the opposite lol

They look real enough. He puts that "100% New 100% Authentic" disclaimer on a lot of his listings (5000+), probably as a general assurance? Also he doesn't have any negative feedback about items being fake, but more to do with shipping problems...

GoktimusPrime
20th February 2013, 08:07 AM
Maybe because a lot of people who sell KOs mark them as "Asian reissue" etc., so some people may associate any toys that are perceived as exclusively Asian or Chinese as being fake -- so perhaps the seller wanted to assure that while these toys are Asian exclusives, they are legit.

That's the stupid thing about people referring to KOs as "Asian" or "Chinese" because not everything from the Asian/Chinese market is fake. Even the term "Asian/Chinese reissue" can be a misnomer because there are legitimate Chinese reissues of G1 toys approved by Hasbro. Just call a spade a spade -- if a toy's a counterfeit, just say that it is. :rolleyes:

Jetfire in the sky
20th February 2013, 08:42 PM
. Just call a spade a spade -- if a toy's a counterfeit, just say that it is. :rolleyes:

Amen to that brother:)

DarkHyren
20th February 2013, 10:28 PM
Maybe because a lot of people who sell KOs mark them as "Asian reissue" etc., so some people may associate any toys that are perceived as exclusively Asian or Chinese as being fakeYes that's the other thing I consider when I visit auctions from sellers in China, that maybe they are just stating the facts because of the number of people that believe "if it comes from China it's a fake".
I suppose in a way I've bought into the fear as well a bit, that and I'm not very confident yet in my ability to spot fakes (apart from the obvious ones).

jazzcomp
21st February 2013, 07:59 AM
When I was in the US, I would never trust a eBay seller from china (2000s) at the time because it could be fake. Especially with shoes. Unfortunately, some create US accounts but ship from china/asia.
The worse was when someone sold me a jordan xi dmp when he gave me size 11 instead of my correct size. Then suddenly disappeared from eBay and this guy was from Canada. I was forced to sell what could be a knockoff but I didn't know. So far the guy I sold it to hasn't complained yet. :D. Could be legit after all

GoktimusPrime
22nd February 2013, 01:31 PM
I can understand why people may be reflexively apprehensive of Chinese toys as being illegit -- having travelled to China I found that the majority of TFs I found in stores there were fakes. It's actually real hard to find legit TFs in China! :eek: Ironically it's the reverse in Japan where most TFs are legit and finding fakes is such a rarity, there are some Japanese collectors who intentionally collect fakes because they see it as a novelty (because it's so uncommon). :rolleyes:

Shirokaze
22nd February 2013, 02:11 PM
Ironically it's the reverse in Japan where most TFs are legit and finding fakes is such a rarity, there are some Japanese collectors who intentionally collect fakes because they see it as a novelty (because it's so uncommon). :rolleyes:

THIS! I wasn't even able to find third party stuff in japan. I'm guessing illegitimate goods must be heavily looked down upon by collectors there, not to mention the legal repercussions of selling such things.

I found shopping for transformers in HK really difficult too, because there was probably as many fakes as there was genuine items.

GoktimusPrime
22nd February 2013, 09:21 PM
THIS! I wasn't even able to find third party stuff in japan. I'm guessing illegitimate goods must be heavily looked down upon by collectors there, not to mention the legal repercussions of selling such things.
It's also because the Japanese govt does tightly enforce copyright laws. The best place to find unlicensed stuff is in specialty collectable stores, not regular stores. A lot of Japanese fans refer to 3rd party items as "Knock Offs", or sometimes "Chinese Knock Offs." fwiw I did pipe up and said that 3rd party items aren't the same as KOs. But yeah, in my experience Japanese collectors don't discriminate between KOs and 3rd party items much... it's all the same to them (re: anything unlicensed = KO).

lj7369
19th March 2013, 10:21 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SET-OF-SIX-TRANSFORMERS-Constructicon-Decepticons-NEW-in-BLISTER-PACKS-Bargain-/221203100079?pt=AU_Action_Figures&hash=item3380bb71af&_uhb=1

not sure if ligit? any ideas, limited pics......

griffin
19th March 2013, 11:43 PM
That set should be legit, as I don't think it was KO'ed.
It was released here around 1992.

lj7369
19th March 2013, 11:45 PM
That set should be legit, as I don't think it was KO'ed.
It was released here around 1992.

excellent. got a good price on it too i think. cheers for that!!!!

Sinnertwin
23rd March 2013, 08:28 AM
excellent. got a good price on it too i think. cheers for that!!!!

Nice. Cant go wrong at +/-$13 a figure.

DarkHyren
2nd April 2013, 05:20 AM
How accurate are the guides online which show the differences between knock off dinobots and real ones?
Like I'm looking at this one on ebay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/350755858703) and while the arms look ok compared to this-
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9718/200807022302501.jpg

the feet don't look ok compared to this-
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6751/200807022303161.jpg

Should I just ignore any Grimlocks that have the double marks on the feet to be safe, or are there some legit ones with the double markings?
I actually see a few that look 99% legit (like this one (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121087974578)) the only thing that seems off is they have the two spots on the front claws (check the second picture on the second auction) as compared to one on each claw in the comparison picture.

Sinnertwin
2nd April 2013, 05:41 AM
Just checked, My classic grimlock from 1992 has 2 spots.on his hands/feet. Although the 2 screws on the single talon are further apat than the picture on the lower right hand side.
No spots on his trex arms

Ae-Evolution
12th April 2013, 04:57 PM
Never delt with a G1/reissue. Is it a KO?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-G1-Megatron-Megaplex-Mib-100-complete-/171023035489?pt=AU_Action_Figures&hash=item27d1c46c61&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1414

gamblor916
12th April 2013, 07:58 PM
That's the very nice blue leg reissue. 100% legit.

Ae-Evolution
7th May 2013, 11:33 PM
Are there any KO Protectobot Hotspots on the market??

EDIT: Whoops forgot to add. Generations one, not G1.

5FDP
8th May 2013, 08:16 AM
Are there any KO Protectobot Hotspots on the market??

Yes. In fact, they were widely available through Target a couple of years ago in a 'giftset' with the rest of the Protectobots.

Sky Shadow
8th May 2013, 08:23 AM
Are there any KO Protectobot Hotspots on the market??

There are a ridiculous number of knockoff Hotspots. Some accurate, others not.

griffin
8th May 2013, 04:48 PM
There was a pretty good replica giftset (http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/modern-reproduction-transformers-433/defensor-5299/), which people only focussed on the packaging to identify differences... the toys could look pretty close to the originals out of the packaging, especially on ebay photos.

Slag
3rd July 2013, 07:50 PM
Haven't seen one like this before.. Bulls#!+ K.O. or not?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VINTAGE-80S-SANDSTORM-G1-MIB-GLOBO-TRIPLE-CHANGER-METAMORPHS-TRANSFORMERS-/251296685281?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item3a82731ce1&_uhb=1

Sinnertwin
3rd July 2013, 08:10 PM
Haven't seen one like this before.. Bulls#!+ K.O. or not?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VINTAGE-80S-SANDSTORM-G1-MIB-GLOBO-TRIPLE-CHANGER-METAMORPHS-TRANSFORMERS-/251296685281?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item3a82731ce1&_uhb=1

KO, the rubsign's a dead giveaway for one
They've also produced another triple changer, Broadside, amongst others


This Autobot Triple Changer was sold under the "Meta Morphs" name, with the company name Globo on the box. The packaging is almost identical to the original box, and uses the same box art, but Broadside's Autobot insignias are altered in the illustration. The toy is very similar to the original version, but its cockpit is opaque in jet mode and the toy has no Autobot symbols

Slag
3rd July 2013, 08:34 PM
KO, the rubsign's a dead giveaway for one
They've also produced another triple changer, Broadside, amongst others

Cheers. I thought it might have been one of those oddball ones released in another country.

Sinnertwin
3rd July 2013, 08:44 PM
Cheers. I thought it might have been one of those oddball ones released in another country.

i know what you mean. His Leozack is worth a look ;):p
"transforms from jet to robot and back again. And launch brest from the chest" (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VINTAGE-80S-LEOZACK-LIOKAISER-G1-MIB-GLOBO-METAMORPHS-LEOPARD-TRANSFORMERS-/251288361990?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item3a81f41c06&_uhb=1)

DELTAprime
5th July 2013, 01:56 PM
I'm wondering if there are KO's of Generations Deluxe Thunderwing? Looking for him on eBay there a few going cheap from Taiwan.

DELTAprime
17th July 2013, 12:28 PM
Is this legit? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261212580423?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Sky Shadow
17th July 2013, 12:32 PM
Is this legit? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261212580423?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Of course. Nobody's going to waste their time, effort and money to make an accurate knockoff and packaging of United Scourge.

Slag
24th July 2013, 02:47 PM
Does anyone own any of the KO dinobots? Do they still have the date stamps?. I'm guessing yes. Are there any differences between the real stamp to the KO ie. spelt wrong etc.?

Would anyone have a close-up picture of their Canadian Slag they could post.

cheers.

Ravagecat
24th July 2013, 03:58 PM
Does anyone own any of the KO dinobots? Do they still have the date stamps?. I'm guessing yes. Are there any differences between the real stamp to the KO ie. spelt wrong etc.?

Would anyone have a close-up picture of their Canadian Slag they could post.

cheers.

What's a Canadian release Slag? is it the same as the US/AUS ones we got? Other than the original G1 version of slag the only other official release was the G2 version that came in silver/green/red IIRC (this version has the takara stamping removed and china is added to the hasbro stamping). Also the word slag with a auto symbol is printed somewhere on him (on the black body parts I think).

Not sure if the KO has the stamps, but here is a guide I found:

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Slag-Review-Guide-KO-Knock-Off-G1-Transformers/10000000176760342/g.html

Tabias Prime
24th July 2013, 04:08 PM
I'm wondering if there are KO's of Generations Deluxe Thunderwing? Looking for him on eBay there a few going cheap from Taiwan.

This is legit. Its the Takara version...I had a look at his other stuff on the site, they seem to have some good prices from what I see. Might have to add to my favorites list. :D:D

Skullcruncher
24th July 2013, 06:29 PM
Does anyone own any of the KO dinobots? Do they still have the date stamps?. I'm guessing yes. Are there any differences between the real stamp to the KO ie. spelt wrong etc.?

Would anyone have a close-up picture of their Canadian Slag they could post.

cheers.

Some have the stamps some dont. For a slag here is two ways to ID him -

http://thumbnails101.imagebam.com/26698/98eb0d266979688.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/98eb0d266979688) http://thumbnails107.imagebam.com/26698/063d4f266979692.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/063d4f266979692)

Slag
24th July 2013, 08:09 PM
Thanks guys. It's a good start.
Massive knob factor on my part though:o i get too excited sometimes.
time will tell..:confused:

Slag
24th July 2013, 08:37 PM
Any markings in the back of the chest cavity? Ko or Canadian. My Orig is stamped Takara Japan as is the Diaclone (but no stamp on the leg) The Red G2- nothing in the chest..just the leg.


: or even if some could even just check to see if the Canadian version is stamped inside...

jazzcomp
19th October 2013, 10:37 AM
Is this legit?

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/complicated8/TF_stuff/GXconstructicons.jpg

G1 or G2?

Demonac
19th October 2013, 11:01 AM
Is this legit?

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/complicated8/TF_stuff/GXconstructicons.jpg

G1 or G2?

Yep, they are legit.
Late G1.
They can not combine, as Hook & Scavenger are missing their connecting tabs.

Sinnertwin
19th October 2013, 12:07 PM
Wouldn't mind that set of Constructicons

griffin
19th October 2013, 11:45 PM
Actually one of my favourite sets of Constructicons... not only because I think they were the first full set I managed to get my hands on, but I like them because they were (unintentionally) portrayed in the UK Marvel comic #264 (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Desert_Island_Risks!). Which was about the Constructicons no longer being able to merge, so were building a separate Devastator entity/robot (which was also likely to be an unintentional portrayal of the Actionmaster Devastator toy).

So even though the Constructicons didn't actually appear in the story, for me this is the set that most accurately portrays that team during this era of Transformers (just with a different colour scheme, which could be explained in some way).

Jetfire in the sky
20th October 2013, 05:21 PM
Amazing how many of these are still getting around MOSC. I bought two cases of them over 10 years ago, price hasn't changed much at all since, I think it was a good time when all these cases were found because with the advent of e-bay the value of MOSC/B was realised by a lot more people.

jazzcomp
22nd October 2013, 09:48 PM
Has there been a re-issue carded green G1 constructicons?

Sinnertwin
22nd October 2013, 09:51 PM
Has there been a re-issue carded green G1 constructicons?

Recently? Original no, KO yes.

jazzcomp
23rd October 2013, 05:37 AM
Recently? Original no, KO yes.
Is this (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-G1-CONSTRUCTICONS-DEVASTATOR-RE-ISSUE-COMPLETE-SET-OF-6-MISB-/151144572954?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item2330eb281a) fake?

Paulbot
23rd October 2013, 06:41 AM
They look fake. Have a look here at what G1 Constructicons look like in package http://www2.unicron.com/1985-transformers.html

Weapon bubbles shouldn't be over the logo (Bonecrusher) or character art (Scrapper)

Jetfire in the sky
23rd October 2013, 07:32 AM
There are no assortment numbers on the bottom front right of the cards so they are 100% Fakey McFake

GoktimusPrime
23rd October 2013, 07:48 AM
Someone report seller (please)!

Sinnertwin
23rd October 2013, 08:30 AM
Is this (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-G1-CONSTRUCTICONS-DEVASTATOR-RE-ISSUE-COMPLETE-SET-OF-6-MISB-/151144572954?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item2330eb281a) fake?

They are, PB & JITS have mentioned. Could have originally been purchased from acetoy.net

http://www.acetoy.net/set-of-6-carded-constructicons-g1-ko-reissue-p-66.html

jazzcomp
23rd October 2013, 08:36 AM
They are, PB & JITS have mentioned. Could have originally been purchased from acetoy.net

http://www.acetoy.net/set-of-6-carded-constructicons-g1-ko-reissue-p-66.html
Thanks, guys. Wrong description then -seller missed the KO part.
Just confirming. I didn't think there were any carded re-issues.

GoktimusPrime
23rd October 2013, 09:15 AM
Thanks, guys. Wrong description then -seller missed the KO part.
Just confirming.
Doesn't matter if they state that it's a KO or not, that seller shouldn't be selling KOs. :mad:


I didn't think there were any carded re-issues.
There have been carded reissues, but only on the gold 1990/91 style G1 cards. There have never been G1 reissues on early G1 "grid" style cards. e.g. This (http://i.ebayimg.com/t/TRANSFORMERS-CLASSIC-PROTECTOBOT-AUTOBOT-FIRST-AID-1990-/15/!BWOpY8gCGk~$(KGrHgoH-C4EjlLl0-E2BKWgHvI(tQ~~_12.JPG) is a legit carded reissue of G1 First Aid.

Jetfire in the sky
23rd October 2013, 09:54 AM
Before anyone asks Gok why he doesn't report it is because he isn't on e-bay.
Gok, I seriously think reporting doesn't do a thing, I went through a phase of reporting all KO's and even using references to web sites to prove they are fakes, the listings weren't taken down and the sellers kept selling. I think a while back a few of us on here mass reported an item with no luck.

jazzcomp
23rd October 2013, 09:56 AM
Seller says no KO. But those superion parts are bone white. Thought the g1's were a bit beige. Remembering the last parra fair where the seller mixed the superion parts in two sets of aerialbots and told me that the bone white parts are re-issues.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformer-g1-original-aerialbots-90-complete-/321233366172?pt=AU_Action_Figures&hash=item4acb002c9c&_uhb=1

Sinnertwin
23rd October 2013, 10:30 AM
There have been carded reissues, but only on the gold 1990/91 style G1 cards. There have never been G1 reissues on early G1 "grid" style cards. e.g. This (http://i.ebayimg.com/t/TRANSFORMERS-CLASSIC-PROTECTOBOT-AUTOBOT-FIRST-AID-1990-/15/!BWOpY8gCGk~$(KGrHgoH-C4EjlLl0-E2BKWgHvI(tQ~~_12.JPG) is a legit carded reissue of G1 First Aid.

There has been reissues using the G1 card & box designs in China between 1989-1995 including the Constructicons. (http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/15)

Skullcruncher
23rd October 2013, 12:05 PM
Before anyone asks Gok why he doesn't report it is because he isn't on e-bay.
Gok, I seriously think reporting doesn't do a thing, I went through a phase of reporting all KO's and even using references to web sites to prove they are fakes, the listings weren't taken down and the sellers kept selling. I think a while back a few of us on here mass reported an item with no luck.

The best way I have found for ebay to take listings down is to first report it then several hours later either get on the phone or use the 'live support' thing and ask someone why it hasn't been removed. They give some speil about it goes through some process to be assessed but if you have a strong case why it should be removed - lead paint risk to my children they can bypass it and remove the listing. Its pretty tedious going but you get there.

Skullcruncher
23rd October 2013, 12:07 PM
Seller says no KO. But those superion parts are bone white. Thought the g1's were a bit beige. Remembering the last parra fair where the seller mixed the superion parts in two sets of aerialbots and told me that the bone white parts are re-issues.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformer-g1-original-aerialbots-90-complete-/321233366172?pt=AU_Action_Figures&hash=item4acb002c9c&_uhb=1

I think that seller is a member here.... those accessories look very dodgy...

UltraMarginal
23rd October 2013, 12:45 PM
they do look very fresh but he may have given them a good dose of the peroxide treatment.

miles_prower
24th October 2013, 11:15 AM
Those are G2 colours, but I can't see the generation 2 there, honeslt'y wish it was a bigger picture. But that's what I can gather

jazzcomp
24th October 2013, 11:22 AM
Those are G2 colours, but I can't see the generation 2 there, honeslt'y wish it was a bigger picture. But that's what I can gather
Huh???

Jetfire in the sky
24th October 2013, 02:51 PM
The best way I have found for ebay to take listings down is to first report it then several hours later either get on the phone or use the 'live support' thing and ask someone why it hasn't been removed. They give some speil about it goes through some process to be assessed but if you have a strong case why it should be removed - lead paint risk to my children they can bypass it and remove the listing. Its pretty tedious going but you get there.

Wayyy to much work for me to save someone form buying a KO, even though most of the listings do state that now. I recently spotted a KO Prime going for some high dollars and the seller claimed it was real, I sent the seller a message poilitely if he was aware it was a fake with some Internet references, he replied with a thank you and that he wasn't aware and took the auction down. :)

miles_prower
24th October 2013, 06:34 PM
Sorry, the site stuffed up for me and showed me the yellow constructicons as the latest post, hence my response

jazzcomp
24th October 2013, 08:43 PM
Sorry, the site stuffed up for me and showed me the yellow constructicons as the latest post, hence my response
Oh ok. This discussion was moved from the original thread.
Those are late G1 according to fellow members - non-combining constructicons :)

Jetfire in the sky
26th October 2013, 08:09 AM
I know that these have been KO'd so just wanted to check with you guys, usually if the price is too good it is.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/131029330648?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3969wt_1170

Skullcruncher
26th October 2013, 10:20 AM
I know that these have been KO'd so just wanted to check with you guys, usually if the price is too good it is.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/131029330648?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3969wt_1170

How can anyone go wrong with a seller who has a username like that! :D

jazzcomp
26th October 2013, 02:01 PM
How can anyone go wrong with a seller who has a username like that! :D
the negative feedback doesn't inspire confidence

1AZRAEL1
26th October 2013, 10:04 PM
I think that seller is a member here.... those accessories look very dodgy...

I can say without a doubt those parts are KO. The shininess, the sharp edges, makes it dodgy.

Jetfire in the sky
27th October 2013, 07:53 AM
This KO thing is getting out of hand. :mad::mad:

WeallscreamforStarscream
27th October 2013, 11:00 AM
So if it actually says KO version or edition on the eBay listing... It means its a Knock Off?

Sounds dumb but I'm a bit of a newbie to purchasing off eBay.

Sinnertwin
27th October 2013, 12:07 PM
So if it actually says KO version or edition on the eBay listing... It means its a Knock Off?

Sounds dumb but I'm a bit of a newbie to purchasing off eBay.

Correct.
Also be wary of the term reissue. Although Hasbro & Takara have both produced legitimate reissues, KO companies are also using the term to promote their items. It wouldn't hurt to pay highendtfs.com a visit too

griffin
27th October 2013, 04:27 PM
If in doubt, check out this topic (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=9470)... or just ask in this topic (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=13608).

WeallscreamforStarscream
27th October 2013, 06:36 PM
Cheers guys!

I just purchased (what says and looks like MP box pics and all) Frenzy and Buzzsaw off eBay. Paid $30 delivered so no biggie if they end up crap. But I'll let yas know what the deal is when I get em!

The words KO version were in the description.

WeallscreamforStarscream
27th October 2013, 06:39 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400591735513?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648

For reference :D

1AZRAEL1
27th October 2013, 08:24 PM
Yep, that would've been a knockoff. There was a KO done of those 2 MP cassettes recently.

WeallscreamforStarscream
27th October 2013, 10:24 PM
Are they really bad? All they're gonna do is stand next to my soundwave ceramic moulded statue.

1AZRAEL1
28th October 2013, 04:33 AM
Not sure about their quality. But they may still display nice.

miles_prower
28th October 2013, 05:02 PM
WeallscreamforStarscream, some KO's are kinda alright, I have owned some and they have been very shotty, I had a KO Ruination and Red Defensor which, broke after an hour of just combining them, though I have a KO City Commander which is very nice, granted it has a lot of flaws.

I'm not gonna say avoid KO's, since some are decent quality, and are good if you want the figure to display, and don't have the funds and well, as far as I know, if you want a generations Sunstorm, you gotta go with KO.

All in all, you shouldn't be spending large amounts on KO versions. I'm sure some people here will debunk my support to some KO products, and that's fine, we all have our opinion.

Sinnertwin
28th October 2013, 08:39 PM
.. as far as I know, if you want a generations Sunstorm, you gotta go with KO.


Sunstorm was available at this years Botcon as part of a three-pack with Bitstream and Hotlink. (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS22984&mode=retail) He's also being sold individually on sites such as eBay :)

WeallscreamforStarscream
28th October 2013, 10:44 PM
Thanks Miles! I don't think i would by anything bigger than soundwaves minions as KO's. they'll be there for display and the occasional re-posing on a monthly basis :)

But I guess, if anything pops up cheap ya gott question it!

Ryathalas
29th October 2013, 08:11 PM
Can anyone tell me if this skywarps a KO I received this today and it just feels wrong very loose joints the missle cannon do not stay in the arm.I know nothing about TF's KO,I bought it thinking it was a henkei Skywarp I didn't pay a great deal for while it displays alright it just feels very cheap nothing like Starscream and Thundercracker quality is there anyway I can check???
cheers
:)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b214/yleehs/IMGP3689.jpg (http://s20.photobucket.com/user/yleehs/media/IMGP3689.jpg.html)

Sinnertwin
29th October 2013, 08:37 PM
It is, unfortunately.
For instance, the Henkei version has chromed launchers & it's missing the silver paint app on the forearms that is present on the Hasbro version, among others.

Ryathalas
29th October 2013, 08:39 PM
It is, unfortunately.
For instance, the Henkei version has chromed launchers & it's missing the silver paint app on the forearms that is present on the Hasbro version.

The tops of the launchers are chrome maybe cannot see in pic or should the whole launcher be chrome?

Sinnertwin
29th October 2013, 08:46 PM
The tops of the launchers are chrome maybe cannot see in pic or should the whole launcher be chrome?

See the round part of the launcher, where you.insert the missile? That should be chromed- not the rectangle part with the button.

Ryathalas
29th October 2013, 08:49 PM
See the round part of the launcher, where you.insert the missile? That should be chromed- not the rectangle part with the button.

Yea that's chrome are the thrusters a chrome green on the henkei one as this one has green chromed thrusters

Sinnertwin
29th October 2013, 09:20 PM
Yea that's chrome are the thrusters a chrome green on the henkei one as this one has green chromed thrusters

My apologies. They looked like black launchers on my phone.
The thrusters should not be green either.
Can you post a photo of the inside of his left & right legs please? I'd like to check the markings & stamping

Ryathalas
29th October 2013, 09:36 PM
My apologies. They looked like black launchers on my phone.
The thrusters should not be green either.
Can you post a photo of the inside of his left & right legs please? I'd like to check the markings & stamping


I can't get a decent photo of the markings but it says c 2008 Hasbro inc,c takara 2006 made in china(right leg) h2804(left leg)i'll try for a photo in the daytime might work :)

Sinnertwin
29th October 2013, 10:12 PM
All good :)
Here's a comparison of two different head sculpts. Which one is closer to the one you have?


http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w661/sinnertwinsphotos/r_henkeiskywarp047_zps35a2fc80.jpeg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/sinnertwinsphotos/media/r_henkeiskywarp047_zps35a2fc80.jpeg.html)

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w661/sinnertwinsphotos/DSC01418_zps4c3982fc.jpeg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/sinnertwinsphotos/media/DSC01418_zps4c3982fc.jpeg.html)

Ryathalas
29th October 2013, 10:31 PM
All good :)
Here's a comparison of two different head sculpts. Which one is closer to the one you have?


http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w661/sinnertwinsphotos/r_henkeiskywarp047_zps35a2fc80.jpeg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/sinnertwinsphotos/media/r_henkeiskywarp047_zps35a2fc80.jpeg.html)

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w661/sinnertwinsphotos/DSC01418_zps4c3982fc.jpeg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/sinnertwinsphotos/media/DSC01418_zps4c3982fc.jpeg.html)

Hard to say but i'm thinking it looks more like the top one I've also been doing some research and i'm starting to think its CHSM Skywarp does this sound right?

Cat
29th October 2013, 11:40 PM
CHMS is a KO.

I can't tell from your pic which it is. I'm seeing things both for and against it.

It also doesn't help that the official Henkei Skywarp had a fair share of issues (though not as bad as poor TC). So the fact that the cannon/s is/are loose is also a plus in your favour.

A clearer pic is needed, especially of the head. The details should be sharp, and the eyes precise, not googly and a mismatch to the area.

Yours does have the black wrist overspray common to a lot of the CHMS KOs.

Post a close-up of the head and we'll be able to tell for sure.

As is, I'm leaning towards the KO, but it's by no means definite. I'm 51/49 split on it at this stage.

griffin
30th October 2013, 12:55 AM
This isn't a clear photo, but you can tell a little, the differences between the three legit Skywarps (Hasbro US, Hasbro HK, JP Unite).

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/blog/a758.jpg

Sinnertwin
30th October 2013, 09:05 AM
Hard to say but i'm thinking it looks more like the top one I've also been doing some research and i'm starting to think its CHSM Skywarp does this sound right?

Here's a review i found last night which i suspect is the one that you have.
http://cybertronphils.proboards.com/thread/11126/henkei-skywarp-ko

Ryathalas
30th October 2013, 01:09 PM
Here's a review i found last night which i suspect is the one that you have.
http://cybertronphils.proboards.com/thread/11126/henkei-skywarp-ko

Yes this is the one for sure everything about this review applies to mine thanks for the help I only paid $35 for it so I don't feel to ripped off I guess

WeallscreamforStarscream
2nd November 2013, 08:13 AM
Found this and I think it's a great price ... But maybe too good to be real??

http://m.ebay.com/itm/221289730732?nav=VI&sbk=1

Thoughts??

Starscream77
2nd November 2013, 12:27 PM
It's legit as far as I can tell
I don't think they have KOed MP Prowl...... Yet

WeallscreamforStarscream
2nd November 2013, 02:45 PM
real good price.. delivered as well.

I messaged them about 2 days ago asking if they were genuine or KO's and haven't got a reply yet..:confused:

WeallscreamforStarscream
6th January 2014, 02:13 PM
Can i get a KO check if possible on this Thundercracker here PLEASE :)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-STARSCREAM-THUNDERCRACKER-MASTER-PIECE-MP-TAKARA-FIGURE-ES-AQ3857-/350963636681?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b71019c9&_uhb=1

Starscream77
6th January 2014, 06:31 PM
Can i get a KO check if possible on this Thundercracker here PLEASE :)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-STARSCREAM-THUNDERCRACKER-MASTER-PIECE-MP-TAKARA-FIGURE-ES-AQ3857-/350963636681?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b71019c9&_uhb=1

It's legit

Sinnertwin
6th January 2014, 07:33 PM
Can i get a KO check if possible on this Thundercracker here PLEASE :)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSFORMERS-STARSCREAM-THUNDERCRACKER-MASTER-PIECE-MP-TAKARA-FIGURE-ES-AQ3857-/350963636681?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b71019c9&_uhb=1

iGear released a Thundercracker knock off as PP03L Lightning, but that was based off the MP03 mold & has a noticably different colour scheme compared to the official MP07 release.

WeallscreamforStarscream
6th January 2014, 08:16 PM
Cool thanks for the help guys!

griffin
17th January 2014, 11:52 PM
I wasn't aware that the KO Reflector was done with a replica mailaway box (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=141162059834&item=141162059834&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466). :(
With such limited details on the box, it would be impossible to tell it apart from a legit one. :mad:

How can something be "original vintage KO"... :rolleyes:

The title of the auction is very misleading as well, saying it is "Vintage Reissue", suggesting that it is an original.

DELTAprime
1st February 2014, 07:36 PM
I'm wondering if the WST Hot Rod (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21116457@N06/12248487116/) I got last month off eBay is a KO. He looks real, but the head doesn't want to stay in place without careful balancing. The only thing I found in my Google searching that says a KO of him exist is a Yahoo answers question.

Sky Shadow
1st February 2014, 08:08 PM
I wasn't aware that the KO Reflector was done with a replica mailaway box (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=141162059834&item=141162059834&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466). :(
With such limited details on the box, it would be impossible to tell it apart from a legit one. :mad:

How can something be "original vintage KO"... :rolleyes:

The 'mailaway' knockoff Reflectors originated around fifteen years ago, so if fifteen years makes something vintage maybe they can be "original vintage KO"s.

WeallscreamforStarscream
6th February 2014, 07:25 PM
I cant imagine there were KO's of Quakewave FT-03?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transformers-FansToys-FT-03-Quakewave-Masterpiece-Shockwave-/251276245685?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a813b3ab5

good price delivered given the market lately.. anyone know?

Bidoofdude
8th February 2014, 10:08 PM
I cant imagine there were KO's of Quakewave FT-03?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transformers-FansToys-FT-03-Quakewave-Masterpiece-Shockwave-/251276245685?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a813b3ab5

good price delivered given the market lately.. anyone know?

Probably not a KO, you can get them for aboutt $185 shipped on eBay right now.

ITZTRU
1st July 2014, 08:19 PM
guys, any sure way to tell a KO MP14 Alert just by pics of the box? And would pics help if i posted some?

yoshi594
19th July 2014, 06:24 PM
What the deuce is this?

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y412/yoshi594/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa838a494.jpg (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/yoshi594/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa838a494.jpg.html)

Omega Metro
19th July 2014, 06:34 PM
What the deuce is this?

It's a Beast Hunters Apex Armour thing with green Legion Breakdown.

griffin
19th July 2014, 07:32 PM
It was release here at BigW cheap...

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/tftoys/tfpbhc09.jpg

yoshi594
19th July 2014, 11:23 PM
Oh thanks guys! Seems I'm missing quite a bit xD

CaminusPrime
1st August 2014, 10:16 PM
obvious knock off, seller has a few of these, I cannot tell if its up-sized or not, not to mention the suspiciously cheap price.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Transformers-Movie-Rotf-Leader-Class-Megatron-Toy-Robots-Action-Figures-Gift/221503996096?_trksid=p2050601.c100103.m2451&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1% 26asc%3D20140211150826%26meid%3D872580076006963004 2%26pid%3D100103%26prg%3D20140211150826%26rkt%3D4% 26clkid%3D8725801570200145520&_qi=RTM1714243

anyone ever seen this before?

griffin
1st August 2014, 11:28 PM
obvious knock off, seller has a few of these, I cannot tell if its up-sized or not, not to mention the suspiciously cheap price.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Transformers-Movie-Rotf-Leader-Class-Megatron-Toy-Robots-Action-Figures-Gift/221503996096?_trksid=p2050601.c100103.m2451&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1% 26asc%3D20140211150826%26meid%3D872580076006963004 2%26pid%3D100103%26prg%3D20140211150826%26rkt%3D4% 26clkid%3D8725801570200145520&_qi=RTM1714243

anyone ever seen this before?

Same toy in different packaging (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=17898), and the toy looked to be close to the size to the original.

CaminusPrime
2nd August 2014, 03:06 PM
Same toy in different packaging (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=17898), and the toy looked to be close to the size to the original.

Cool, also that link isn't working.

griffin
2nd August 2014, 03:57 PM
fixed.

theheretic
3rd January 2015, 02:35 PM
Is there a KO of MP1 Optimus? I had a look around for a guid but couldn't seem to locate one.

CBratron
3rd January 2015, 02:59 PM
I know some KOs of MP01 have blue and grey hands when he should have all blue. I haven't heard of any that have fixed this clue.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/motuphils2/toys/DSC_1261-1.jpg

http://dollmaker909.blogspot.com.au/2009/05/blog-post.html

theheretic
3rd January 2015, 04:05 PM
I'm watching this (http://m.ebay.com.au/itm/121530093500?nav=WATCHING_ACTIVE) at the moment and what worried me was the spelling mistake mentioned in the description. I'm not that familiar with the first few masterpieces, but I really want to get them eventually (funds permitting). I've only bought MP's new, sealed and from a reputable dealer at the time the MP was released (mostly preordered through RK, BBTS and TFsource).

rodent
3rd January 2015, 10:38 PM
Someone else here will be able to confirm this, but from memory the very first run of MP-1 did have that misspelling.

Were there any KO's produced of the MP-1 mold?

Sinnertwin
3rd January 2015, 11:28 PM
yep, iirc, mp's 1, 2 & 8 all had the same issue

theheretic
5th January 2015, 01:16 PM
Thanks for the help guys. I didn't end up winning the auction unfortunately.

zzyss
16th February 2015, 02:40 PM
Just out of interest, eBay has a refund policy where if you can prove something is fake the will refund, but it usually requires an "authority" to provide some kind of documentation. Other than Hasbro (unlikely), would there be any other ways to "prove" that a TF is a knockoff for the purpose of claiming a refund from eBay?

Jetfire in the sky
16th February 2015, 06:48 PM
Not so much an authority but a reference highendtfs.com is a big help.

zzyss
18th February 2015, 09:24 AM
Not so much an authority but a reference highendtfs.com is a big help.

Yeah, I've used to to identify KOs, but unfortunately eBay wants some kind of official documentation like a letter or something. Thanks anyway.

TAAUBlaster
25th June 2015, 05:34 PM
So, just bought a G1 Wheeljack and the bot and launchers seem legit. But I'm a little unsure about the missile it came with. They have the sprue marks on the base of the missile, and a "circle" indent on the bottom of the shaft of the missile. I've checked highendtfs, and it looks like the "circle" indents mean they are KO missiles? Is that correct? Or do the vintage ones have them too?

kup
26th June 2015, 12:07 PM
So, just bought a G1 Wheeljack and the bot and launchers seem legit. But I'm a little unsure about the missile it came with. They have the sprue marks on the base of the missile, and a "circle" indent on the bottom of the shaft of the missile. I've checked highendtfs, and it looks like the "circle" indents mean they are KO missiles? Is that correct? Or do the vintage ones have them too?

Hard to say, back in the day G1 toys were not made by a single factory but several which caused a lot of variation in G1 TFs, specially from the early years. Some variations range from subtle to very noticeable.

Check the links here to see if it helps:

http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17

TAAUBlaster
26th June 2015, 04:01 PM
Hard to say, back in the day G1 toys were not made by a single factory but several which caused a lot of variation in G1 TFs, specially from the early years. Some variations range from subtle to very noticeable.

Check the links here to see if it helps:

http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17

Thanks. I did check there first, but the pictures of the missiles didn't really help. Missile launchers and everything are all original, so I guess I'll just assume the missiles are too.

griffin
11th March 2018, 11:24 AM
I saw quite a few Comic Book versions of MP Grimlock on ebay today, for around $100 with free shipping from China.
They've got to be KOs at that price... which is a shame, as the real thing is a lot more expensive, and these KOs will start showing up at that price (if not already), fooling people into thinking it is the real thing.

MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!
11th March 2018, 05:41 PM
I saw quite a few Comic Book versions of MP Grimlock on ebay today, for around $100 with free shipping from China.
They've got to be KOs at that price... which is a shame, as the real thing is a lot more expensive, and these KOs will start showing up at that price (if not already), fooling people into thinking it is the real thing.

Most likely fake listings i'd say.

griffin
11th March 2018, 06:22 PM
Most likely fake listings i'd say.

Or that.

Either way, it's not good for fans.

ampoldj
11th March 2018, 09:19 PM
I think the second run is selling below $200 before which seems being cleared out by toystory_world

M-bot
3rd February 2019, 10:59 AM
Were all the MP Lambor KOs marked as “Takasa Tony” on the box? A mate has an option for a seemingly cheap one, apparently sealed, Takara Tomy on the box. Price seems a little too good to be true.

Edit: never mind, I think I found an answer on highendtfs.

Jetfire in the sky
6th February 2019, 07:42 PM
Were all the MP Lambor KOs marked as “Takasa Tony” on the box? A mate has an option for a seemingly cheap one, apparently sealed, Takara Tomy on the box. Price seems a little too good to be true.

Edit: never mind, I think I found an answer on highendtfs.

But just to answer for the players at home, yes KO versions in regular TT packaging are common, I think the Takasa ones were a very poor attempt at avoiding copyright :rolleyes:

Jetfire in the sky
6th February 2019, 07:44 PM
Thanks. I did check there first, but the pictures of the missiles didn't really help. Missile launchers and everything are all original, so I guess I'll just assume the missiles are too.

Try Fredsworkshop.com to ID G1 variants.

Eruntalon
19th September 2019, 01:52 AM
Need some opinions from whoever owns a G1 Leozack figure. I recently purchased the head accessory and cannot get it to fit onto my genuine Leozacks head. It is like the head accesory is one size too small, and it wont slide over the tabs which are essentially the side of Leozacks head.

Is this a knock off piece? It has an old patina to it, but it does have some swirling affect to the plastic I was not made aware of previously. The slight colour variation in the green plastic compared to my Leozack I could excuse due to fading but the sizing is what has worried me:

https://imgur.com/a/g3G5eAM

Skullcruncher
7th May 2020, 09:09 PM
Anyone have decent pics of the Jazz or Sideswipe KO's? Looking for pics of the front of the box with toy inside for comparison.

Skullcruncher
25th July 2020, 09:57 PM
Trailbreaker and Hoist are the latest Bobots out.