Seekers

[Bidoofdude]

hi people, i just got the generations Thundercracker off eBay for $30, and I m looking to add some more seekers or coneheads to my collection. It's a tough situation for me, so here goes. I really want classics or universe starscream and Classics Skywarp. But i also want the generations dirge and thrust. I've heard both options are great, but I'm unsure. Both options come at a hefty price online, and I've heard they all are very articulate and detailed. It's a very tricky decision. I can't get all of them- and the original seekers would look good but I also love those coneheads. And no, I'm not getting the 1984-6 ones, because they're way to expensive and not as accurate as what I'd like. So what's your verdict- I've only got 1 g1 con- and thats generations thundercracker- which needs some roomates- so which ones? Seekers or Coneheads? And also, which starscream should i get? Universe or classiccs- universe is more accurate but a different mold. Anyone got a good size comparison of generations thundercracker and universe star scream? So- which pair.

[KillinSpoon]

Err, the classics/universe 2.0/generations/henkei/botcon seekers are all the same mould. The only differences between any of them are the wings, heads (cone or not) and colours.

These aren't my images, but here is proof.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2220/3542387505_b541902f02_z.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2216/3543194092_3d5b438984.jpg

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are.
Henkei Thundercracker
Classics Starscream
Classics Skywarp
Universe Acid Storm
Classics Ramjet
Henkei Thrust
Henkei Dirge

[Bidoofdude]

Err, the classics/universe 2.0/generations/henkei/botcon seekers are all the same mould. The only differences between any of them are the wings, heads (cone or not) and colours.

These aren't my images, but here is proof.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2220/3542387505_b541902f02_z.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2216/3543194092_3d5b438984.jpg

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are.
Henkei Thundercracker
Classics Starscream
Classics Skywarp
Universe Acid Storm
Classics Ramjet
Henkei Thrust
Henkei Dirge

Thanks dude, didn't notice. I like the universe paint job for starscream better since its more accurate but then that looks weird since skywarp also has a different wing paint job. so should I get the conies of the seekers? FYi, I'm getting either classics/universe/generations. Acid storm looks alright but there's no other RMs so ill wait and see. Which pair do you think? I might actually get screamer and dirge- just to mix it up.

[GoktimusPrime]

I take it Generations Thundercracker didn't pegwarm in Melbourne Kmarts like it did in Sydney (and was sold for $23-25). Still... $30 is a fair price for a Deluxe.



Henkei Thundercracker
Classics Starscream
Classics Skywarp
Universe Acid Storm
Classics Ramjet
Henkei Thrust
Henkei Dirge

The toys that you've referred to as "Henkei" are from a special line called 'Gentei! Gentei!', which is the Japanese word for "limited" -- and that's precisely what they are, limited exclusives, and expensive. "Henkei" is used to refer to the common regular store release toys (like Starscream and Ramjet). :)

Also, Gentei Thundercracker and Skywarp have mould degradation issues. Classics, Universe, Henkei and Generations were regular store releases, so should be easier to find.

Here are some photos of my Classicsverse Seekers:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/misc%20photo%20skits/classicsverse_seekers_jet.jpg
I have:
Classics Starscream
Gentei Thundercracker
Gentei Skywarp
Generations Dirge
Classics Ramjet
Gentei Thrust
I paid $25-30 for each Classics/Generations Seeker, and $50 for each Gentei. So I paid $200-210 for the set (over 5 years :rolleyes:)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/misc%20photo%20skits/classicsverse_seekers_robot.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/misc%20photo%20skits/classicsverse_seekers_pyramid.jpg

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Universe or classics- universe is more accurate but a different mold.
They're pretty much the same mold, hey. (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Starscream_%28G1%29/toys#Generation_1_Series)

[KaRNiV8L PRiME]

And no CHUG Seeker army is complete without
Universe Acid Storm or
CHMS Sunstorm

[jazzcomp]

still missing sunstorm

[kurdt_the_goat]

Generations Deluxe Dirge can be had for $18 + shipping from Figures Direct (http://www.figuresdirect.com.au/) (in WA) at the moment.
I've been toying with the idea of selling my Classics Starscream (first, grey version) so if you're keen make me an offer :D

[Cat]

There are some differences in the Botcon seekers like Thrust.

His wings were unique to the Botcon set.

I have Botcon and Generations versions of them all, and I like them all for different reasons.

For Thundercracker though, I do prefer the Generations one. The chrome cockpit REALLY shines, and I love the tiny Decepticon symbol above that.

I like the overall colour better on the Botcon version. They all have a happy place in my collection.

[griffin]

Edited post now that the one I was replying to was edited - it wasn't meant to humiliate anyone... it just needs to be known that you should refrain from editing people's quotes, unless you are doing something in jest (to someone you know will be okay with it), or are removing something prohibited.
Editing someone's quoted text is disrespectful, as it would be like editing their actual post to change what they were on the record as saying.

The recommended course of action would be to quote a person, and then in your own words, "correct them" if it needs correcting, or they ask for it.

As for the Gentei/Henkei issue, the most accepted listings like tfwiki (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Henkei%21_Henkei%21_Transformers_%28toyline%29), tfw2005 (http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/transformers-henkei-292/), tfu.info (http://www.tfu.info/series/jhenkei.htm) and Soundwave's Oblivion (http://megatronofcybertron.homestead.com/japaneseclassics.html) all have Gentei as "limited edition Henkei". So it isn't wrong to be grouping them together as "Henkei" if they never released "regular versions" of any of them.

The packaging style is the same, and as I should have pointed out in my original posting, where it has the Toy-Number on the packaging, it is surrounded by 2xHenkei on both regular toys, and the Gentei/Limited toys.

It's like people referring to Generations/Universe/Classics as Classics or Classicverse, everyone else knows what is being referred to, because it is convenient. A fan-designated term that is widely accepted, isn't wrong just because Hasbro or TT haven't officially used it.

If someone uses a term that isn't fan-designated/accepted, or isn't from an official source, then feel free to enlighten them/us.

[liegeprime]

Any particular reason you can't get all of em Bidoofdude?

For me I say get em all - all 6. Though since you've kinda jumped into the bandwagon in purchasing the seekers a little late so don't expect them to be cheap now as the supply is not as readily available now and some are quite limited.

Generation Thrust and Dirge were sold in mass retail so it would be cheaper and easier to get them AU$25 IIRC. I say get Universe Starscream - more accurate color scheme faithful to G1, same mold. Though, screamer - be it Classics or Universe version is now not cheap coz he is not in production anymore.

Skywarp be it Classics or Henkei/Gentei will always be expensive coz of limited release here in Australia - as for Gentei/Henkei - not at all. There is no Hasbro released version of Skywarp other than the 2-pack so the figure is quite limited. When I say limited - even though it was sold in mass retail - Target, it was in a 2 pack with Magnus and as per my experience I had to trek all the way to Burwood just to grab 1. My local Target - if ever, must've sold it sometime after I got mine - coz there was sightings of it later on, but it was not as many as say the individual packed figures. SO best save up for him if you wanna get him as well - He has the best paintjob anyways be it in G1 or the newer version - purple, silver and black merry well together palette wise :)

Conehead Ramjet - well there's the Henkei Version and the Classics version - personally I prefer the Classics version - he aint cheap nowadays coz well, as I stated before not in production anymore but he does crop up at times in ebay cheap - keep your eyes peeled. The Henkei version is just a bit too flashy IMO with the chrome kinda not much helping it unlike say... Henkei Astrotrain.

Yeah - so for me GET THEM ALL:D. One can never have too much seekers

Acid storm is more of a new character "retconned" by Hastak to be one of the "rainmaker seekers" seen in the G1 Cartoons first episodes so if you feel like getting him, do so. Although he is out of production again


All of em anyways use the same base mould, just a few difference in wing attachments - head (for the coneheads) and paintjob. Kinda like G1 :D

As for my own personal collection loosely on display
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liegeprime/DSC01977-1.jpg

I bought and prefer, and have on display Universe Starscream ( Target bought) - again shouldve bought extra, oh well.
I have given away/sold my Classics Starscream - I should've bought an extra to keep MISC :p, but, Im not one to collect MISC.. before.

I have Classics Skywarp - so Ididnt bother getting Henkei version because Ive heard and read of QC issues. Plus at the time of it's release I have no budget for it.

I had enough budget at the time so i got Henkei Thrust and Dirge. Plus since the figures were released in Botcon - everyone was convinced these will never be mass released since the mould was already for Botcon release - and Im not liquid to buy the Botcon versions. So I got these when it was announced. Quite pricy really.
Which, Hasbro later on spit on and decided to mass release the mould in better more G1 accurate color. I also bought those, since they were released mass retail and I like the color scheme the Generations version - they were cheap anyways so bought to keep MISC and as back-up figures in case I repack the Henkei ones or damage those ones. If I didnt have the Henkei versions already on display I would still be very happy with the Hasbro Generations version as they're very G1 in colorscheme.

Gentei/Henkei Thundercracker - coz during that time there was no clear sign that Hasbro will ever mass release this last seeker - they did eventually , years after :mad: So I got me Generations Thundercracker - MISC coz you know for back up - the Generations one is better though no QC issue with regards to the shoulder guns not fitting tightly. Also the Blue hue is richer and darker.

Universe Acid Storm - coz he was there on the shelves at Big W and cheap:p:D Though I recall a slight shortage in Melbourne of the figure;):p

[griffin]

No leige... you must follow Hasbro's command - "collect them all". ;) :p

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/seekergroup.jpg

[1orion2many]

:confused:You can always do what I do and follow senility, buy a second figure you forgot you had and forget to buy the figure you need:o:D

[UltraMarginal]

I would have to recommend getting all 6 at least, and perhaps if you were only going to get three I'd get either the original 3 characters or the coneheads.

something you need to be careful of on the secondary market is KO's, I'm not sure which ones but a lot of the Japanese release ones have been KO'd I think.

[snaketales]

So what's your verdict- I've only got 1 g1 con- and thats generations thundercracker- which needs some roomates- so which ones? Seekers or Coneheads? And also, which starscream should i get? Universe or classiccs- universe is more accurate but a different mold.

They're all pretty much the same mold and as good as each other, so get the ones you can afford/feel comfortable paying for.

[Bidoofdude]

I would have to recommend getting all 6 at least, and perhaps if you were only going to get three I'd get either the original 3 characters or the coneheads.

something you need to be careful of on the secondary market is KO's, I'm not sure which ones but a lot of the Japanese release ones have been KO'd I think.

I've already got the generations thundercracker and im not buying henkei or gentei etc. dont like importing. I caan only afford 2 at most, so which ones. Im not really that into ramjet, he's kinda plain to me. I like dirgetthe most out of the coneheads, and its a tough decision between Starscream and skywarp. Starscreams a must have 4 anyone, but skywarp is really cool and looks awesome. Hmm, tough decision.
Btw, am I the only one that looks at like 10 reviews of a figure when planning to get it? Its jsut somethingi do with any toy. Anyone else do the same?

[snaketales]

Get Dirge and Starscream. You could probably pick them both up for the price of Skywarp.

If you want to rationalise it, both Dirge and Thundercracker are blue so you could say it's the Seekers' uniform... Starscream's is different because he's the leader.

[GoktimusPrime]

I've already got the generations thundercracker and im not buying henkei or gentei etc. dont like importing.
I have both Gentei and Generations Thundercracker, and honestly, Generations Thundercracker is the better toy. Sure, Gentei has the chrome and a few nice paint apps here and there, but Gentei suffers from QC issues (loose wings, weapons don't stay attached properly). Generations Thundercracker is FAR superior value for money (considering that he's $20 cheaper)! :) I find Generations Thundercracker to be a satisfying toy, whereas Gentei Thundercracker is just disappointmenting.


I caan only afford 2 at most, so which ones. Im not really that into ramjet, he's kinda plain to me.
All the Seekers are pretty plane (see what I did there? ;)). :p
Ramjet is a regular common store release toy, as are all the Seekers who aren't Genteis or BotCon figures. I'd recommend just getting the common store releases for each of the Seekers (Classics, Universe, Henkei, Generations). While some of the BotCon ones are nice (as Cat mentioned (and as shown by griffin), Thrust has custom wings), I don't think they're worth the extra price.


and its a tough decision between Starscream and skywarp. Starscreams a must have 4 anyone, but skywarp is really cool and looks awesome. Hmm, tough decision.
The only common store release of Skywarp was the Classics figure, which was only available in a two pack with Ultra Magnus. The 2 pack was pretty easy to find and actually shelfwarmed, I'm guessing cos most people weren't interested in buying a white Optimus Prime just to get Skywarp. I know I was initially hesitant -- kept on passing the set up until I caved in and bought it to get Skywarp. :rolleyes: I did see a Classics Skywarp sold loose at a collector's fair for $20 maybe a year or two ago. If I wanna go for Starscream, you might consider Henkei or Universe - both are common store releases, they're more recent than Classics Starscream (so should be easier to find?) and they have nicer colours than Classics Starscream too. :)


Btw, am I the only one that looks at like 10 reviews of a figure when planning to get it? Its jsut somethingi do with any toy. Anyone else do the same?
Erm... nope. I usually look at piccies -- read a few comments from people, maybe one or two reviews if I'm unsure. But usually I can tell if I want a toy or not after seeing a picture. ;) If I'm unsure, then I might wait until the toy's on sale or if I have nothing else to buy during that "down time" between waves. e.g. when I got Ultra Magnus and Skywarp - that was during one of those down times... nothing else new was out, saw that pack still sitting there, so I bought it. ;p

[UltraMarginal]

I've already got the generations thundercracker and im not buying henkei or gentei etc. dont like importing. I caan only afford 2 at most, so which ones. Im not really that into ramjet, he's kinda plain to me. I like dirgetthe most out of the coneheads, and its a tough decision between Starscream and skywarp. Starscreams a must have 4 anyone, but skywarp is really cool and looks awesome. Hmm, tough decision.
Btw, am I the only one that looks at like 10 reviews of a figure when planning to get it? Its jsut somethingi do with any toy. Anyone else do the same?

You might find it cheaper to import a classics verison from overseas than finding one on the secondary market here, just a thought. you're really restricting your options otherwise.

It looks to me like you have a short list, and just need to make up your mind, or save up a bit longer and get an extra if you can't decide.

as has already been said, they all have the same core body with different wings and heads. apart from that the differences come down to paint. I forsee that in a year or two you'll probably end up with one of each in the long run.

And no, you're not the only one to heavily research stuf befor eyou buy it, I think we all do it for certain figures before we get them, some don't need so much convincing though. The problem you have here is you're trying to pick the ulitmate best in your eyes of a set of 6 that are pretty much the same. like picking a good apple out of a basket of good apples. sometimes it's better to just go with your heart.:D

[liegeprime]

No leige... you must follow Hasbro's command - "collect them all". ;) :p

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/seekergroup.jpg

AHA! You should have posted this on the Army building thread too!!:p:p

Bidoofdude get Dirge he's nice, and yeah Starscream which would be easier as well to find. But if he's proving to be a bit hard or pricy you can always get Thrust, he's my fave when it comes to plane design - though I despise the long rockets they have made for him ( just looks WTF IMO?). He's also mass released like Dirge so easier to find. The last released of the seekers are Thrust, Dirge and then Thundercracker - so they would be the more easier to still find around all the other earlier releases would most like be a bit harder or pricier butnot much. As you said Screamer is a given but yeah up to you basically...save up and get em all heheheheh:D

[GoktimusPrime]

AHA! You should have posted this on the Army building thread too!!:p:p
They're technically not multiples though - they're variants. So I don't think that counts as army building by that thread's standards. :)

[Bidoofdude]

I don't think anyone here's listening so I'm just gonna give it to you all simply. Me do not want japanese- me want hasbro, me can only afford 2 at most and dont want ramjet. Kapiesh!

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

I don't think anyone here's listening so I'm just gonna give it to you all simply. Me do not want japanese- me want hasbro, me can only afford 2 at most and dont want ramjet. Kapiesh!Dirge and Thrust.

[Hursticon]

I don't think anyone here's listening so I'm just gonna give it to you all simply. Me do not want japanese- me want hasbro, me can only afford 2 at most and dont want ramjet. Kapiesh!

See below:


Get Dirge and Starscream. You could probably pick them both up for the price of Skywarp.

If you want to rationalise it, both Dirge and Thundercracker are blue so you could say it's the Seekers' uniform... Starscream's is different because he's the leader.

Looking on eBayAU, there isn't anything you're after listed ATM, so consider this (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dirge-Transformers-Generations-Classics-Universe-Hasbro-/390423998946?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item5ae71571e2) & this (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-Classics-Universe-loose-Starscream-/221050368027?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item3377a0f01b) because of that (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transformers-Classics-Universe-G1-DELUXE-Skywarp-Complete-/320913664336?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item4ab7f1e950); Like it or not the best and most cost effective way of obtaining these figures is via Importation unless someone local is willing to sell you one of theirs, in which case I'll point you to this thread (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=14) so you can formally seek aid. :cool:

[Sky Shadow]

And also, which starscream should i get? Universe or classiccs- universe is more accurate but a different mold. Anyone got a good size comparison of generations thundercracker and universe star scream? So- which pair.

When you say Universe Starscream is a different mould, you mean the toy that is usually called Masterpiece Starscream, which was released in Universe packaging in the West. It's a completely different scale to Generations Thundercracker, and is only useful scale-wise if you want to reenact this:

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7276/marvelus50.jpg

If you do, and can spare the money, then get it over any other modern Seeker mould - it's a good toy. If not, then just get the cheapest Classics/Universe/Generations seeker you can find that's not a knockoff or Ramjet - they're all basically the same mould so if you don't care which one you have, go by price. It doesn't matter - just get the cheapest.


I don't think anyone here's listening so I'm just gonna give it to you all simply. Me do not want japanese- me want hasbro, me can only afford 2 at most and dont want ramjet. Kapiesh!

It's "capisce".

[Bidoofdude]

When you say Universe Starscream is a different mould, you mean the toy that is usually called Masterpiece Starscream, which was released in Universe packaging in the West. It's a completely different scale to Generations Thundercracker, and is only useful scale-wise if you want to reenact this:

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7276/marvelus50.jpg

If you do, and can spare the money, then get it over any other modern Seeker mould - it's a good toy. If not, then just get the cheapest Classics/Universe/Generations seeker you can find that's not a knockoff or Ramjet - they're all basically the same mould so if you don't care which one you have, go by price. It doesn't matter - just get the cheapest.

ROFLMFAO for the comic cover. Might actually do that! Thanks for the idea. But still, I might need acouple more cons to make that- BTW, are the re issue g1 insecticons (hasbro) any good. If I recall correctly, theyre the same as G1, but i Just need a quick ehads up if thyre any good at all. thanks guys!

It's "capisce".

No, that's incorrect- Masterpiece Starscream is not what I'm talking about. ever eard of that mold introduced in 2006 that was redecoed again and again. There wsa nother starscream deco made on the same mould that year (2008) and it was deluxe class Universe starscream. Just for you :D, I'm gonna give a link- http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Starscream_%28G1%29/toys . Go down to universe and keep scrolling- the universe generation1 figure (also in japan as a 2008 henkei figure) Just wanted to proved who's right here. But you're not, masterpiece was also released in that year- looks like there was a lot of G1 Starscreams in that year. We got henkei, universe, masterpiece, ghost version and so on...
This is for everyone- not targeting you of course.
Guys, by the phrase (I dont want to import), I meant: not from somewhere really far away from here such as Japan/ America. I'm happy to get it shipped from somewhere like here in Australia or New Zealand etc. Just wanted to clarify that fro you guys. :D
ROFLMFAO on the cover, Might actually do that, but I see one prob in your analysis- Starscream is like 200 times bigger thatn Omega. lol. also peoples, whats your opiniong on the reissue (hasbro) insecticons three pack (lookks sick as) Thanks man!

[GoktimusPrime]

No, that's incorrect- Masterpiece Starscream is not what I'm talking about. ever eard of that mold introduced in 2006 that was redecoed again and again. There wsa nother starscream deco made on the same mould that year (2008) and it was deluxe class Universe starscream. Just for you :D, I'm gonna give a link- http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Starscream_%28G1%29/toys . Go down to universe and keep scrolling- the universe generation1 figure (also in japan as a 2008 henkei figure) Just wanted to proved who's right here. But you're not, masterpiece was also released in that year- looks like there was a lot of G1 Starscreams in that year. We got henkei, universe, masterpiece, ghost version and so on...
Erm... Sky Shadow was responding to your comment, "universe is more accurate but a different mold" -- and Universe Starscream is just a repaint of the same mould as Classics Starscream, whereas Masterpiece Starscream is a different mould and sold in the same "Classics" style packaging as you can see here (http://www.figuresdirect.com.au/Images/hasbrotransformersmovierotf/MasterpieceStarscream.jpg). You may have meant to say a "different redeco of that mould", but your actual wording was "a different mould," so I can understand how Sky Shadow came to the conclusion that you may have meant Hasbro's Masterpiece Starscream.


Guys, by the phrase (I dont want to import), I meant: not from somewhere really far away from here such as Japan/ America. I'm happy to get it shipped from somewhere like here in Australia or New Zealand etc. Just wanted to clarify that fro you guys. :D
Alright, the following Classicsverse Seekers were released in Australian retail:
+ Classics Starscream
+ Classics Skywarp
+ Classics Ramjet (I know you don't want him, but just mentioning)
+ Universe Starscream (repaint of Classics Starscream)
+ Universe Acid Storm
+ Universe Dirge (repaint of Voyager Cybertron Starscream)
+ Generations Thrust
+ Generations Dirge
+ Generations Thundercracker (which you already have)

Other than Thundercracker and Ramjet, which two should you get? I don't know... depends on which ones you like. It's entirely up to you. But those are the ones that were released in Australian retail, so hopefully you can find them domestically.


ROFLMFAO on the cover, Might actually do that, but I see one prob in your analysis- Starscream is like 200 times bigger thatn Omega. lol.
Well yeah, he is being powered by the Underbase! :rolleyes: SCF/HOC Omega Supreme would be close to scale to MP Starscream to recreate that particular moment.


also peoples, whats your opiniong on the reissue (hasbro) insecticons three pack (lookks sick as) Thanks man!
Meh, I prefer the Takara reissues -- at least they kept the original names (cos Hasbro no longer have the rights to the names Bombshell and Shrapnel). The Takara reissues also came with 3 Energon cubes... I don't think the Hasbro ones did. Neither set were released in Australian retail, so either way you're gonna have to import if you want them (though the Hasbro one is more recent, so may be easier/cheaper to obtain on the secondary aftermarket I guess).

[liegeprime]

Best option then - Dirge and Thrust - these two are more recent so they would more still flooding the markets of specialty toy shops - local or online and a few odd K-marts restocking so you dont have to pay over price cost. Even on ebay these should cost cheaply since they're more recent. All the rest of the seekers never mind them coz they're pricy as and harder to locate now.

[Sky Shadow]

Erm... Sky Shadow was responding to your comment, "universe is more accurate but a different mold" -- and Universe Starscream is just a repaint of the same mould as Classics Starscream, whereas Masterpiece Starscream is a different mould and sold in the same "Classics" style packaging as you can see here (http://www.figuresdirect.com.au/Images/hasbrotransformersmovierotf/MasterpieceStarscream.jpg). You may have meant to say a "different redeco of that mould", but your actual wording was "a different mould," so I can understand how Sky Shadow came to the conclusion that you may have meant Hasbro's Masterpiece Starscream.

Yes, it seemed like the only potential interpretation that could glean sense from that first post. It said, "which starscream should i get? Universe or classiccs- universe is more accurate but a different mold. Anyone got a good size comparison of generations thundercracker and universe star scream?" which states that a) they're different moulds and b) different sizes.

[kup]

No leige... you must follow Hasbro's command - "collect them all". ;) :p

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/seekergroup.jpg

This picture has made me very frightened as I also have all those figures but I have never seen them together like that.


I don't think anyone here's listening so I'm just gonna give it to you all simply. Me do not want japanese- me want hasbro, me can only afford 2 at most and dont want ramjet. Kapiesh!

As 'best uses of the mold' samples, I would recommend Classics Thundercracker and Generations Dirge.

For characters, I would recommend Henkei Starscream and Thundercracker

For a balance of both character and best use of the mold - Henkei Starscream and Generations Dirge.

[Bidoofdude]

Yes, it seemed like the only potential interpretation that could glean sense from that first post. It said, "which starscream should i get? Universe or classiccs- universe is more accurate but a different mold. Anyone got a good size comparison of generations thundercracker and universe star scream?" which states that a) they're different moulds and b) different sizes.

I think i read it wrong, sorry dude. I thought it meant there was only one g1 style universe ss that year. But yes, I realsie that now. Thanks for clearing it up. Dirge is pretty good and the most recent, so he's right up the top. I might actually get him adn take a little time to decide on the other. Anyone here selling Generations Dirge for less than RRP? ($30 or so) So anyway, thanks people, but still deciding.

[kurdt_the_goat]

Generations Deluxe Dirge can be had for $18 + shipping from Figures Direct (http://www.figuresdirect.com.au/) (in WA) at the moment.

Quoted for truth :)

[Cat]

Erm... Sky Shadow was responding to your comment, "universe is more accurate but a different mold" -- and Universe Starscream is just a repaint of the same mould as Classics Starscream, whereas Masterpiece Starscream is a different mould and sold in the same "Classics" style packaging as you can see here (http://www.figuresdirect.com.au/Images/hasbrotransformersmovierotf/MasterpieceStarscream.jpg). You may have meant to say a "different redeco of that mould", but your actual wording was "a different mould," so I can understand how Sky Shadow came to the conclusion that you may have meant Hasbro's Masterpiece Starscream.


It is a different mould to the initial batch. Different number of vents, plus a few 'improvements' over the first, so it is technically a different mold.

[GoktimusPrime]

It is a different mould to the initial batch. Different number of vents, plus a few 'improvements' over the first, so it is technically a different mold.
That would make it a remould rather than an entirely different mould.
Reference (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Starscream_%28G1%29/toys#Universe_.282008.29) (TFwiki calls it a "redeco" but does say that the mould was modified)

[Cat]

That would make it a remould rather than an entirely different mould.
Reference (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Starscream_%28G1%29/toys#Universe_.282008.29) (TFwiki calls it a "redeco" but does say that the mould was modified)

Which does nothing to rebut my point. In fact, you've just posted information that indeed verifies my statement.

You stated 'different mold', to invalidate the OP's earlier statement, when what you've just posted simply verifies that yes, it is indeed a different mold. It is indeed a different mold, due to the changes made to the actual physical mold.

Redeco is also used in the same way as repaint, and doesn't constitute mold changes at all.

I suggest you read up on this, so you can provide correct information in the future.

[Paulbot]

Just when we thought we had enough Seekers, there's now Star Seekers - which I'm going to assume are Seekers who fly in outer space (because otherwise Star Seekers sound like a subgroup of Rainbow Brite or My Little Pony).

(Also I should get around to reading Exiles).

[Bidoofdude]

Which does nothing to rebut my point. In fact, you've just posted information that indeed verifies my statement.

You stated 'different mold', to invalidate the OP's earlier statement, when what you've just posted simply verifies that yes, it is indeed a different mold. It is indeed a different mold, due to the changes made to the actual physical mold.

Redeco is also used in the same way as repaint, and doesn't constitute mold changes at all.

I suggest you read up on this, so you can provide correct information in the future.

Ok guys, just to point it out, i know its not a different mold, ok?! I'm not saying it is. That post was a while ago. I just realised it after i started the thread.

[Bidoofdude]

Quoted for truth :)


Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out- see what i can do. any other sales that are cheap. Ebay is preferred but anyhting goes. BTW, what r star seekers?

[Paulbot]

BTW, what r star seekers?

A new group of "pirates" who are their own faction (not Autobots, not Decepticons) with only one toy so far, Thundertron, who've we've just seen pictures of (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=13853).

So far there's no other connection to the other use of the word "seeker" and sorry for any confusion.

[Bartrim]

(Also I should get around to reading Exiles).

Same:)