Why can't we have another animated or FoC-style Transformers movie?

[BigTransformerTrev]

I was just reading all the comments in another thread about the announced Transformers 4. Many, many of the collective groans and apprehensions about it of course are to do problems with the last 3 films. The most popular ones include:

* Transformers having no character development and being used as big props
* Awful human acting
* Convuluted plots and too much emphasis on explosions and special effects

Then I was thinking of the reaction so many of my friends - even non-TF or gaming friends - had when I showed them the first promo clip of Fall of Cybertron. Nearly the universal reaction was 'Why don't they make a movie like that?' As the resident expert in my circle they expected a lengthy and detailed answer and all I could say was "I don't know - I wish they would!'

Well, why in the name of Primus could we not have another animated movie? Wouldn't that solve all our and the studios problems?

Examples:
:mad:Transformers having no character development and being used as big props
:DThere would be absolutely no extra expense with having the majority (if not all - please let it be all!) of the action and scenes be full of Transformers rather than humans, thus the extra screen time being used to flesh out the characters

:mad: Awful human acting
:D No humans! Or at least just as cannon fodder (maybe then I would not mind them having Daniel heh heh) Hell, the whole movie could be on Cybertron or in outer space!


:mad:Convuluted plots and too much emphasis on explosions and special effects
:D Make the plot fit the bots in question, not the other way around and not with half of it being about a boys romance or his nutty mother. And the explosions would take a hell of a lot less effort being drawn or done with CGI then Michael Bay spending months figuring out how to make a street blow up, therefore may be treated with less vital importance. (The entirity of Moon Base 1 blowing up was a matter of seconds - not minutes, in the 86 movie)


Now this is not to say they still could not do another live-action movie. Personally I loved the 1st, didn't mind the 3rd and just tried to think of the Optimus/Megatron forest fight scene of the 2nd and how cool I thought Ravage looked. So I'm happy for them to make a 4th (though if Bay falls in the shower and can't do it himself between now and then I wont complain) and considering the last one was the 4th highest grossing movie ever made it's inevitable. But think of how well Hasbro and the studio's could shut up us annoying, whinging fans if they gave us a G1 or FoC styled animated movie to be going on with! Every time we complained they could go 'Well, we gave you what you wanted in an animated movie - just go watch that!'

So what do people think - could the powers that be be convinced to go down this road? And is it a good idea in general?



(P.S: As usual I will put in the apology if this thread has been done before :) )

[Sky Shadow]

Why can't we have another animated or FoC-style Transformers movie?

Because life is unfair? :confused: Yeah, I would prefer animated over live-action any day. There's no limit to what can be done and no real need for humans.

[Starscream77]

Great idea, though i would go with an FOC style and leave G1 alone as that was what it was and IMO should not be touched.
I am not a hater of the live action movies (well except ROTF) and welcome a 4th but hell yeah would love an animated FOC style movie as well

[kup]

They could certainly do it but they don't seem to care enough to do it.

[UltraMarginal]

I think it's a great idea. though realistically, the FOC game in pretty much an interactive movie. if they released video media of that right now it might get lost in the noise, they'd be better off releasing something in 12 months or so, halfway between this game and it's sequel.

As for an animated movie of either G1 or Prime or Animated, or even Beastwars. There's a fair bit of potential there for that too, but again, now probably isn't the right time. we've just had 3 live action films which like the common consensus seems to be, I liked most of the first and third and not so much of the second, though it had it's moments.
We're heading towards a 4th live action film. and there will probably be a 5th. doing an animated feature right now would fairly well muddy the waters I think, or it would get lost amongst all the other media.

We are in a media rich time for transformers at the moment. Live action movies, a second excellent computer game, a great Computer animated TV series, a second tv series specifically aimed at younger children, two comic series with other one-shots or mini series popping up on a semi regular basis. Also, a MMORPG going live some time this year, maybe. And 3 novels in the last couple years.

That's a lot of stuff.

The original animated movie happened between seasons of the tv show, and the only other media available that was transformers related was the comic.

I think the main reason we shouldn't have another animated movie right now is because there isn't room for it. But in the future, when there is a little less media about, it would be a great thing. maybe as a tie up to the Prime series. either way, give it time, at some point the live action movies will stop making as much money as Hasbro wants and then they'll have to give it a rest and think of something else.

If we get everything now, there won't be anything awesome to have in two years or whenever.

{my 2c} which kind of applies to toys also.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

So what do people think - could the powers that be be convinced to go down this road?Fairly unlikely for reasons noted by UltraMarginal, and a few besides. For example...
Bay keeps raking in the money with his boobs+butts+toilet humor+US Army+explosions=success formula, so the films are succeeding in every way save actual artistic merit...and to be fair, that's always been a minor consideration (if even that) in Transformer animated media. To be even more fair, I like boobs and butts and explosions, so I'm not totally opposed to the formula - except for the satire-, style-, and strong-female-leads- parts Bay could probably do a big-screen Western version of Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt quite well.
Similarly, animated movies just don't seem to be as big a drawcard as 'live-action' stuff. Aside from a few Disney and/or Pixar works I'm hard-pressed to think of one animated movie that's been 'big' in a cultural sense, there seems to still be a mainstream idea of animation automatically = 'just for kids'.

And is it a good idea in general?Yes, it really is. For starters, the heavy lifting is already done. The character models and a hefty amount of the background design is already planned out and/or made, the basic plot is already done (with plenty of room for standard episode spin-offs/subplots should the movie be successful), there's a tie-in game and toyline already there - it's pretty much a no-brainer. The possible benefits far outweigh the effort involved, even allowing for a less-than-best-case scenario.
But then again, there's already a heap of media out there, and that big 4th movie coming up, and everyone knows that kids are too dumb to maintain awareness of more than one variant on the same media franchise at the same time and that 'the fans' aren't really worth catering to in any big way (and to be fair there's a certain amount of truth there), and there are all those other franchises to worry about as well, so maybe don't hold your breath while you wait.

[theheretic]

I love the live action movies but the original animated movie is far better than those. First time I saw it has a kid (and possibly a few more screenings) I cried web Optimus died. I still get shivers when OP says "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost" and then the music starts and he beats down ALL the decepticons! So good. I'd love a FOC movie like this!

[SuspectimusPrime]

There's no limit to what can be done and no real need for humans.

Agreed. Given the breadth of today's sci-fi culture, there need not be a reset to remind new generations of viewers the purpose of Transformers transforming. Humans were originally necessary to justify that Transformers transformed into something. Big robots pew-pew-PEWing each other or other aliens in space with multi-toned lasers should suffice as appeal (or at least to my limited intellect :D).


The original animated movie happened between seasons of the tv show, and the only other media available that was transformers related was the comic.


I wonder how today's kids will take it if Hasbro out of nowhere makes a movie that brutally kills off 80% of the TF Prime characters kids love and force introduces a whole new crew & set of toys.

[GoktimusPrime]

No humans...

A story driven by developing Transformers characters...

That settles it, looks like this coming holidays I'm just going to have to watch all my
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/bw_zpsfe04a2ec.jpg DVDs. :D

[Megatron]

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I wonder how today's kids will take it if Hasbro out of nowhere makes a movie that brutally kills off 80% of the TF Prime characters kids love and force introduces a whole new crew & set of toys.

Haha... not just the kids that would take it badly though... *points to self as example*

Ok, here's my 2c regarding live-action vs animated TF movies. I'm going to go against the grain a bit and say that another live-action TF movie, with humans, is a big "Yes" from me. I wouldn't mind seeing an animated one too, but there's things that a live-action can do that no other format can. For example, the real human actors is a great idea and the way they interact with live action Transformers in a real world setting, to me just can't be beat. If anything, the previous 3 Bay TF movies proved that. BUT... it can be difficult to appreciate that unique sense of real world Transformers in Bay's movies, simply because the screenplay, over the top humor and bad characterizations, for both humans and TFs, gets in the way. However, I cannot fault the visuals/CGI as it really does look outstanding (not necessarily the robot designs - that's a mixed bag for me) and the unique sense of greatness and awesomeness that a TF live-action movie can bring. If only it can be made with an outstanding script, no shaky, confusing camera work, and no silliness from humans (though we need humans in it because it opens up a whole new dimension to the movie that you just wouldn't get otherwise - only give them more important roles to justify their existence!), then I think we'd really have something.

[liegeprime]

As Skyshadow has pointed out... life is unfair... and our lives are sorely manipulated whether we like it or not by the powers that be of HasTakTom..... and they are unfair :p:p:p:D:D


Okay maybe just a bit unconcerned, coz there's a lot going on anyway for the line as Ultramarginal has pointed out. But, and Im certain this is one factor them powers that be cannot deny ( at least with their inner selves) its all about budget. They may have allocated already for upcoming projects and for a movie ... it's budget for # 4 Bayverse instead of something else so this wonderful idea you have cannot be squeezed in... pure speculation om my part but hey, corporate types only think numbers, figures and data not likes, fan emotions and all that - these are irrelevant. You'd think Shockwave would be perfect in their boardrooms ei heheheh.:p:p

Even if they divert it to CGI if it's directed by MIchael bay I betcha it's more explosions, explosions and nothing much else.. explosions move the story forward in his world heheheh, but wouldn't it be wonderful though, finally, humans blown up, squished like pulp laser blasters vaporizing them or decapitating hundreds in a blast... all without the loss of a single life during shoot.... :D:D:Dthat would be more acceptably realistic, rather than the battle in the first movie... Prime falls from a height after being thrown by Megatron and yet when he falls all the humans somehow end up in between the spaces of his torso and limbs and is able to get away safely, pffft, just stuuupid... Megatron flicks a filthy human and still it doesnt really dismember the person or at least renders him totally unconscious probably with head bleed and permanent paralysis... as Im sure Megs wouldn't hold back his strength in flicking someone... but noooooo they humans end up all ok, just dirty but now bruises or broken bones or internal bleeding, that's just inexcusable!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[GoktimusPrime]

Ok, here's my 2c regarding live-action vs animated TF movies. I'm going to go against the grain a bit and say that another live-action TF movie, with humans, is a big "Yes" from me. I wouldn't mind seeing an animated one too, but there's things that a live-action can do that no other format can. For example, the real human actors is a great idea and the way they interact with live action Transformers in a real world setting, to me just can't be beat. If anything, the previous 3 Bay TF movies proved that.
I agree. There's nothing necessarily wrong with having human characters in Transformers per se, it's just that human characters shouldn't be developed at the expense of the Transformers. The Transformers should also be treated as characters. Humans are important for the general non-fan audience as an 'anchorpoint' for them to relate to. Look at G1 for example, characters like Buster and Spike Witwicky were developed (Spike's still being developed in the current ReGeneration One series!), but not at the expense of the Transformers themselves. The thing I have with the Bay movies is that the Autobots feel more like accessories for Sam Witwicky. Here comes Sam, all cool and suave, oh - he needs to lay the smack down - BUMBLEBEEEEE!!

Have the human characters, fine - but don't forget that the Transformers themselves should be characters too. Otherwise they just end up being set pieces or one-dimensional caricatures.


BUT... it can be difficult to appreciate that unique sense of real world Transformers in Bay's movies, simply because the screenplay, over the top humor and bad characterizations, for both humans and TFs, gets in the way. However, I cannot fault the visuals/CGI as it really does look outstanding (not necessarily the robot designs - that's a mixed bag for me) and the unique sense of greatness and awesomeness that a TF live-action movie can bring.
^Agree. Visually the films were spectacular. But a lot of it seemed based more on "WHHOOAAAA!" rather than a deep emotional impact. If you look at Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy; that had a lot of great adrenaline pumping action scenes, but also massive heart-wrenching emotions too. That's the kind of balance you want - the proper mix of action which is used as a vehicle to tell a good story. A story shouldn't exist as a vehicle to showcase action.


If only it can be made with an outstanding script, no shaky, confusing camera work, and no silliness from humans (though we need humans in it because it opens up a whole new dimension to the movie that you just wouldn't get otherwise - only give them more important roles to justify their existence!), then I think we'd really have something.
I agree with most of that, except for the shaky camera work - I liked that. It's more realistic looking. If you've ever seen a real fight (either IRL or on TV etc.) it's very messy and chaotic - and it's over in seconds. If you were watch that and you were an ant, it would look even messier and more chaotic and blurry -- you'd just see giant limbs flying everywhere. Dark of the Moon used more long distance shots and had 'cleaner' looking fight scenes though -- that was because the studio wanted to shoot it in 3D where they prefer longer shots. :rolleyes: But it took away some of that 'magic' in the first movie where we saw everything from low angles and really portrayed the Transformers as "Giant Effing Robots." Very few (if any) other Transformers series/films before Michael Bay really conveyed that incredible sense of physical awe and scale. What you watch or read other series, especially in the absence of humans, you can forget scale and size. Heck, for the entire first series and most of Season 2 of Beast Wars I didn't really appreciate just how small the Maximals and Predacons were until we saw Megatron enter the Ark where he was just dwarfed by the slumbering Autobots and Decepticons (because Mainframe wanted to portray the G1 TFs as "Titans" in the eyes of the Beast Wars TFs). Heck, when I play Fall of Cybertron, I don't feel gigantic (only when I play Bruticus in campaign mode). With the first Transformers Bay movie, at no point are you allowed to forget that these are freaking giant robots! :D

[BigTransformerTrev]

We are in a media rich time for transformers at the moment. Live action movies, a second excellent computer game, a great Computer animated TV series, a second tv series specifically aimed at younger children, two comic series with other one-shots or mini series popping up on a semi regular basis. Also, a MMORPG going live some time this year, maybe. And 3 novels in the last couple years.

That's a lot of stuff.



That is actually a very good point. I remember the mid/late ninties's/early naughties where there was esentially nothing about. Yes, yes there was Beast Wars. But as a Uni student hopping between classes, parties and the pub the most I ever saw at that time was, when channel hopping, a little rat call a gorilla 'Optimus'! I shrieked in outrage, thinking this is what they had remade Transformers as. So not until years later, when I found out that it was the decendants of G1, not them themselves, and then RID came out and I realised we were looking at a potential TF multiverse, that I was able to put it in perspective. For nearly a decade it seemed like the world had forgotten Transformers or tried to turn it into something I hated and it made me a sad man. Now we have multiple toy lines, multiple comic-lines, multiple cartoon shows, multiple video games etc etc so maybe there isn't room for another animated movie....

....yet!


But I for one will hold out hope and pray to Primus every day that one day we indeed get another animated or FoC movie. I truly think it would be fantastic!

[GoktimusPrime]

Beast Wars fantastic and remember that it did revive the Transformers franchise and saved it from extinction. The real media dead period was the mid 1990s. What was available in 1995?? Nothing. No comics, no cartoon -- nuthin'. The other dead period was 2002 -- the limbo year after RiD had died down and before Armada came out. That was freakin' frustrating (though we did get lots of G1 reissues -- but bugger all new moulds that year, let alone any new media).

But I do agree that we are in an extremely media rich time right now. :) Heck, just recently Dirtbag made his second ever media appearance in #83 of ReGeneration One. His previous appearance was in the 2010 G2 Redux comic from FunPub -- fifteen years after the toy came out!


For nearly a decade it seemed like the world had forgotten Transformers or tried to turn it into something I hated and it made me a sad man. Now we have multiple toy lines, multiple comic-lines, multiple cartoon shows, multiple video games etc etc so maybe there isn't room for another animated movie....
Beast Wars did make Transformers very popular again -- whereas G2 nearly killed the franchise, Beast Wars became the 3rd best selling boys' toy line by 1997 (2nd only to Toy Story and Star Wars). Beast Machines managed to maintain success despite being considered inferior to Beast Wars (though some argue that it was "riding on the coattails of Beast Wars' success"). The success of Beast Wars then led to Car Robot (RiD), which then led onto everything else which has brought us to where we are now. While the live action movies certainly did massively boost the popularity of Transformers, Transformers had already been a strong franchise well before then. It was the increasing success of the franchise that prompted Hasbro to commission a live action film -- they wouldn't have invested in such a massive venture over a dying brand.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Beast Wars fantastic and remember that it did revive the Transformers franchise and saved it from extinction. The real media dead period was the mid 1990s. What was available in 1995?? Nothing. No comics, no cartoon -- nuthin'. The other dead period was 2002 -- the limbo year after RiD had died down and before Armada came out. That was freakin' frustrating (though we did get lots of G1 reissues -- but bugger all new moulds that year, let alone any new media).

But I do agree that we are in an extremely media rich time right now. :) Heck, just recently Dirtbag made his second ever media appearance in #83 of ReGeneration One. His previous appearance was in the 2010 G2 Redux comic from FunPub -- fifteen years after the toy came out!


Beast Wars did make Transformers very popular again -- whereas G2 nearly killed the franchise, Beast Wars became the 3rd best selling boys' toy line by 1997 (2nd only to Toy Story and Star Wars). Beast Machines managed to maintain success despite being considered inferior to Beast Wars (though some argue that it was "riding on the coattails of Beast Wars' success"). The success of Beast Wars then led to Car Robot (RiD), which then led onto everything else which has brought us to where we are now. While the live action movies certainly did massively boost the popularity of Transformers, Transformers had already been a strong franchise well before then. It was the increasing success of the franchise that prompted Hasbro to commission a live action film -- they wouldn't have invested in such a massive venture over a dying brand.

Yeah, I know all that NOW. These days I've got the Beast Wars DVD Box Set, IDW Poster & some comics, Depthcharge, Waspinator and a bunch of BW Robot Heroes. Got a bunch of Beast Machines stuff too. But back then I was too busy getting drunk and laid and all I knew of the show was 20 seconds on TV of a furry rat calling a hairy monkey 'Optimus' and sans the internet for all I knew that was Optimus Prime. And to turn Optimus from a huge truck into a monkey made my sphinkter clench in anguish and rage! So for me personally it seemed like there was a completely dead decade without any TF stuff about. And now there is that much I can't keep up!

Reading some of the comments on this thread, maybe people are right to want a Fall of Cybertron styled animated movie rather than another G1 one. Personally I wouldn't mind a G1 one but every mistake would be so glaring. And even though many of the voice actors are still about (Peter Cullen - I love you so much!) Starscream sounding any different in a G1 movie would just not be right. So yes, a G1 BASED maybe FoC-style movie as soon as the current overload of TF stuff winds down a bit (which it may never do - and that I can probably live with).

But (sniff) I want my animated movie now still, big sook that I am!

[Megatron]

I agree. There's nothing necessarily wrong with having human characters in Transformers per se, it's just that human characters shouldn't be developed at the expense of the Transformers. The Transformers should also be treated as characters. Humans are important for the general non-fan audience as an 'anchorpoint' for them to relate to. Look at G1 for example, characters like Buster and Spike Witwicky were developed (Spike's still being developed in the current ReGeneration One series!), but not at the expense of the Transformers themselves. The thing I have with the Bay movies is that the Autobots feel more like accessories for Sam Witwicky. Here comes Sam, all cool and suave, oh - he needs to lay the smack down - BUMBLEBEEEEE!!

Have the human characters, fine - but don't forget that the Transformers themselves should be characters too. Otherwise they just end up being set pieces or one-dimensional caricatures.

+1. Yes, absolutely. Humans and Transformers can and should both be developed as characters in their own right, and at the same time not take away from each other. Good script writing really helps.

Also I had a similar thought about Sam and Bumblebee when I first watched the movies... he seemed too unnecessarily clingy to his human buddy and it just didn't look good for him on the big screen.


^Agree. Visually the films were spectacular. But a lot of it seemed based more on "WHHOOAAAA!" rather than a deep emotional impact. If you look at Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy; that had a lot of great adrenaline pumping action scenes, but also massive heart-wrenching emotions too. That's the kind of balance you want - the proper mix of action which is used as a vehicle to tell a good story. A story shouldn't exist as a vehicle to showcase action.

Yep. I did find Batman movies entertaining for that reason - a good story with emotional impact but without sacrificing the action.


I agree with most of that, except for the shaky camera work - I liked that. It's more realistic looking. If you've ever seen a real fight (either IRL or on TV etc.) it's very messy and chaotic - and it's over in seconds. If you were watch that and you were an ant, it would look even messier and more chaotic and blurry -- you'd just see giant limbs flying everywhere. Dark of the Moon used more long distance shots and had 'cleaner' looking fight scenes though -- that was because the studio wanted to shoot it in 3D where they prefer longer shots. :rolleyes: But it took away some of that 'magic' in the first movie where we saw everything from low angles and really portrayed the Transformers as "Giant Effing Robots." Very few (if any) other Transformers series/films before Michael Bay really conveyed that incredible sense of physical awe and scale. What you watch or read other series, especially in the absence of humans, you can forget scale and size. Heck, for the entire first series and most of Season 2 of Beast Wars I didn't really appreciate just how small the Maximals and Predacons were until we saw Megatron enter the Ark where he was just dwarfed by the slumbering Autobots and Decepticons (because Mainframe wanted to portray the G1 TFs as "Titans" in the eyes of the Beast Wars TFs). Heck, when I play Fall of Cybertron, I don't feel gigantic (only when I play Bruticus in campaign mode). With the first Transformers Bay movie, at no point are you allowed to forget that these are freaking giant robots! :D

Well I've never seen BW/BM (not a fan at all) and haven't played the game yet so I can't comment on those points. However, as far as shaky camera work goes, I think it's entirely unnecessary. The only time it should be used is when you'd want to convey to the viewer that the entire setting is shaking along with the camera (such as earthquake, battle ship got hit, etc.) - and even there you'd want to be using it carefully and sparingly. You can still show a fast and furious fight without making the viewer dizzy and giving them a headache (which is what I got watching the first movie fight scenes. I could not tell heads or tails what the heck was going on or who was fighting whom... it was frustrating really). Sometimes, showing things exactly as they would be in real life (such as a chaotic fight that is over in seconds) just doesn't work as well in a movie - hence where a little creative license does not go astray. The Matrix anyone? :) You can still give a sense of grandness and use low angles/close up shots etc. without the confusion of shakiness (and stilted/fragmented takes). Which brings me to one final comment - one of the reasons why I like DotM more than the other two Bay movies is precisely for the reasons outlined above - for the first time we had some nice, steady shots where I could actually tell what was going on during battle scenes. I can't emphasise enough what a relief that was for me!

[5FDP]

I would loose my sh@# over an animated / CGI movie :cool:

[Lord_Zed]

A new animated movie would be cool, though I can't imagine it would have such a wide appeal, or make as much money as the Bay films. If it was some sort of story completely set on Cybertron the appeal would pretty much be limited to die hard fans and kids. I'd totally watch it though.

Maybe if they did it at a smaller scale.




Even if they divert it to CGI if it's directed by MIchael bay I betcha it's more explosions, explosions and nothing much else.. explosions move the story forward in his world heheheh, but wouldn't it be wonderful though, finally, humans blown up, squished like pulp laser blasters vaporizing them or decapitating hundreds in a blast... all without the loss of a single life during shoot.... :D:D:Dthat would be more acceptably realistic, rather than the battle in the first movie... Prime falls from a height after being thrown by Megatron and yet when he falls all the humans somehow end up in between the spaces of his torso and limbs and is able to get away safely, pffft, just stuuupid... Megatron flicks a filthy human and still it doesnt really dismember the person or at least renders him totally unconscious probably with head bleed and permanent paralysis... as Im sure Megs wouldn't hold back his strength in flicking someone... but noooooo they humans end up all ok, just dirty but now bruises or broken bones or internal bleeding, that's just inexcusable!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Ummmm, I'm pretty sure if nothing else that Bay movies had a higher human casualty count than previous Transformers media, The Decepticons did wipe out a whole military base, in the first one, and the a significant population of the Chicago in the third. The third film was the first time I've actually seen a Decepticon execute a human rather than just make threats about it. Of course those damned named human characters seemed to miraculously escape permanent harm again and again, but this is true for many stories, how come the bridge crew from Star Trek always come back from away missions, but that new guy we'd never seen till 5 minutes ago doesn't?

[kup]

A new animated movie would be cool, though I can't imagine it would have such a wide appeal, or make as much money as the Bay films. If it was some sort of story completely set on Cybertron the appeal would pretty much be limited to die hard fans and kids. I'd totally watch it though.

Maybe if they did it at a smaller scale.


DC Direct to DVD animated movies have been remarkably successful and they are mostly made for fans/comic book crowds. I am pretty sure that the same audience that would play WFC/FOC would also be interested in watching a direct to DVD animated movie and be sizable enough to make it profitable Although it would not be anywhere near as much as a cinematic live action release but it would be totally silly to expect that sort of return for such a project.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

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I agree with most of that, except for the shaky camera work - I liked that. It's more realistic looking. If you've ever seen a real fight (either IRL or on TV etc.)
I am not a fan of the shaky camera for fights. Sure, it may be realistic, but we are talking about big transforming robots from space... I'd rather I was able to see what was going on. Plus far too many movies use the shaky camera now. I have made it a condition that movies I see must have a still camera. Hunger games, if you saw that was ridiculous.

a little rat call a gorilla 'Optimus'! I shrieked in outrage, thinking this is what they had remade Transformers as.

I saw a bit and heard the names "optimus Primal" and "Megatron" and thought, wow, what a blatant rip off! how did they get away with that?


DC Direct to DVD animated movies have been remarkably successful and they are mostly made for fans/comic book crowds. I am pretty sure that the same audience that would play WFC/FOC would also be interested in watching a direct to DVD animated movie and be sizable enough to make it profitable Although it would not be anywhere near as much as a cinematic live action release but it would be totally silly to expect that sort of return for such a project.
I think this would be the only way to get a WFC FOC movie. Although TBH, I think the games are movie enough for me and would rather the money went on another game, which will probably be called ROC. Rise Of Cybertron?:p Still they did get around to releasing an animated TMNT movie that did well enough, so with the interest generated from various media at the moment, as long as the budget wasn't too high, it could be a general release. But unlikely.

Still I'd see it. I love Transformers on Cybertron. Without humans. Although the disguise aspect is a bit pointless, but hey, minor details.

[GoktimusPrime]

DC Direct to DVD animated movies have been remarkably successful and they are mostly made for fans/comic book crowds. I am pretty sure that the same audience that would play WFC/FOC would also be interested in watching a direct to DVD animated movie and be sizable enough to make it profitable Although it would not be anywhere near as much as a cinematic live action release but it would be totally silly to expect that sort of return for such a project.
I reckon a direct to home video format mini-series based on Classicsverse would be damn awesome and viable too! Base it on the CHUGUR toy and set in the G1 cartoon universe -- ya know, like what they're doing with ReGeneration One, but in the cartooniverse (and using the CHUGUR toys). C'mon... who doesn't want to see Classicsverse in animated form?? :)

[SuspectimusPrime]

I reckon a direct to home video format mini-series based on Classicsverse would be damn awesome and viable too! Base it on the CHUGUR toy and set in the G1 cartoon universe -- ya know, like what they're doing with ReGeneration One, but in the cartooniverse (and using the CHUGUR toys). C'mon... who doesn't want to see Classicsverse in animated form?? :)

Simon Furman/James Roberts can do the screenplay and David Kane can voice Megatron, or perhaps Scorponok? :o:)

[kup]

I have no doubt that a reasonably well made animated Transformers movie based on G1 characters would be a success - Several 'lesser known franchise' animated movies have already proven successful. However I don't think Hasbro would bother as it goes outside their narrow tunnel vision business plan and requires a bit innovation and thought.

[Sky Shadow]

I have no doubt that a reasonably well made animated Transformers movie based on G1 characters would be a success - Several 'lesser known franchise' animated movies have already proven successful. However I don't think Hasbro would bother as it goes outside their narrow tunnel vision business plan and requires a bit innovation and thought.

Kup - did Hasbro (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=302994&postcount=2338) come over (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=315644&postcount=29) to your house (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=308815&postcount=9) and kill (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=318677&postcount=23) all your pets (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=313930&postcount=301) this year (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=313195&postcount=33)? ;)

[5FDP]

Kup, the Transformer, has the persona of a cranky old man - I'd say he's just in character :p