Another 3rd Party Omega Silhouette

[Trent]

From Robot Kingdoms Facebook page (which I can't link to off my iPhone),

An apparently new 3rd party group called Planet X. (At least I haven't heard of them)

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Wrxus/18846D69-757B-4FD6-AFCB-2EDE91CC445D-2086-0000057FD579EACA_zps66da2762.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Wrxus/26EC9F4E-3F4C-4E2E-A55D-7C5B8A47435F-2086-0000057FDAA2EA4C_zps63771345.jpg


Notice the FOC Optimus Prime between his legs, supposedly to indicate scale. Seems like they are attempting a WFC Omega. That'll cost a bit.

But meh. When I see a prototype I'll get interested. Until then, I lump this in the attention grabbing pile with that other one that was teased a few months ago.

[canofwhoopass_87]

That silhouette looks terrible. Really need a decent mob to step up and do a real classics style G1 Omega Supreme. I reckon has/tak might even have it in them.

Thanks for sharing the news though trent!

[kup]

I also really dislike the silhouette.

[SuspectimusPrime]

This creation looks very top-heavy; for something that is over 3 times the size of FOC Prime, the legs do look like it could use some bulk compared to the rocket arms. Still interested to see where they're going with this.

[Lord_Zed]

Yeah, the legs look extremely awkward thus far.

Reminds me to much of Xtransbots or Impossible Toys style (or lack thereof).

[Sam]

Am interested, but his biceps look weak.

[KalEl]

Looks like poop... Unfortunately

[Sutton]

It's actually really accurate to the WFC Omega design...

...which looks like poop
:D

[kup]

It's actually really accurate to the WFC Omega design...

...which looks like poop
:D

I think you are correct but I don't recall the game Omega legs being this bad although I can now understand the design choice.

[Hursticon]

Hmm... Not exactly the Omega I was after. :o

[liegeprime]

Mwahahahaha, with Hasbro announcing their release of a retooled Platinum edition Omega Supreme next year, this 3rd party is shot!!:p:p They shouldve gone for Trypticon instead hehehehe.

[kup]

Mwahahahaha, with Hasbro announcing their release of a retooled Platinum edition Omega Supreme next year, this 3rd party is shot!!:p:p They shouldve gone for Trypticon instead hehehehe.

I am pretty sure that a decent looking 3rd party Omega would have beat the Hasbro one as it's just a repaint of an older toy. This 3rd party one is too awkward looking and proportioned.

[SuspectimusPrime]

I am pretty sure that a decent looking 3rd party Omega would have beat the Hasbro one as it's just a repaint of an older toy. This 3rd party one is too awkward looking and proportioned.

Agreed. Platinum Omega is a sweet retool, but his alt mode is still not yet right for the Classics shelf.

[Lord_Zed]

It's a good repaint, but I still really don't care for the Energon Omega Supreme mold. unfortunately this one isn't looking much better.

[SuspectimusPrime]

Looks like teasers are up (http://tformers.com/transformers-planet-x-project-genesis-new/18652/news.html) :) Can't really make out anything, but at least the sculpted detail is there and on par with the better third party producers.

[Trent]

Wonky legs aside, this has actually got me interested.

[kup]

Looks like teasers are up (http://tformers.com/transformers-planet-x-project-genesis-new/18652/news.html) :) Can't really make out anything, but at least the sculpted detail is there and on par with the better third party producers.

It does have very nice sculpted detail but given the very awkward looking silhouette, not sure about it but at least I am no longer dismissing it completely and look forward to more pics to help me make up my mind.

[SuspectimusPrime]

Wonky legs aside, this has actually got me interested.


It does have very nice sculpted detail but given the very awkward looking silhouette, not sure about it but at least I am no longer dismissing it completely and look forward to more pics to help me make up my mind.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see if they plan on spending a little more on paint aps :)

[Trent]

Preorder is up at Robot Kingdom. (http://www.robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/main.php?action=details&CatType=&II=PLANETX001&lang=us&CatID=) $300:eek: Jan/Feb release date. Has a few LED points in it which are only free if you order before December. I think I'll wait until I see a few reviews…

Is it just me or is Jan/Feb a touch optimistic on their part? This all happened pretty quick and as nearly every 3rd party item is delayed they are setting themselves up for a massive fail for release time, or they have pulled a Fansproject and waited until its almost finished before even releasing a silhouette.

Time and video reviews will tell…



Edit: and we haven't seen the full figure or even a glimpse of the alt mode yet :confused:

[Hursticon]

Preorder is up at Robot Kingdom. (http://www.robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/main.php?action=details&CatType=&II=PLANETX001&lang=us&CatID=) $300:eek: Jan/Feb release date. Has a few LED points in it which are only free if you order before December. I think I'll wait until I see a few reviews…

Is it just me or is Jan/Feb a touch optimistic on their part? This all happened pretty quick and as nearly every 3rd party item is delayed they are setting themselves up for a massive fail for release time, or they have pulled a Fansproject and waited until its almost finished before even releasing a silhouette.

Time and video reviews will tell…

An interesting gimmick, but that is one expensive puppy. :eek:

[Lord_Zed]

$300 is a big ask for a new an untested company.

I'm sure the plastic to dollar value is reasonable for a third party, but the unknown element is a bit of a turn off. Maketoys releases a few things before Giant, and TFC released there Hercules parts one at a time. So I'm cautious.

[Slag]

He looks a bit turkey-ish. bit more bulk around the upper arms and a lot more in the legs.. Good effort though

[theheretic]

There's some really nice details on this guy but for the price I think he needs to be more proportionate. I am considering him though. I would really like to see pictures (front, sides and back) or even better, some video. Light gimmick is cool though.

[SuspectimusPrime]

Time and video reviews will tell…



Edit: and we haven't seen the full figure or even a glimpse of the alt mode yet :confused:

I'll need a good amount of both (time and video reviews) :) I'm usually in the late majority category, but price and size of this thing will make me a laggard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DiffusionOfInnovation.png) :p:o


$300 is a big ask for a new an untested company.

I'm sure the plastic to dollar value is reasonable for a third party, but the unknown element is a bit of a turn off. Maketoys releases a few things before Giant, and TFC released there Hercules parts one at a time. So I'm cautious.

Yes I would have preferred to see a few of their offerings before the big jump, but I guess that was apart their marketing strategy in making the big splash? $300 is a lot of money, full set of shipped-Warbots-lot-of-money, or even...


An interesting gimmick, but that is one expensive puppy. :eek:

... a real puppy? :p:)

[Trent]

I preordered this from BBTS a few days ago, figured I could always cancel if I changed my mind and it hasn't cost me anything.

Got this email today:


Hi - upon further consideration of this item, we have decided not to carry it. We have cancelled preorders and removed it from our website. I'm very sorry for the inconvenience. If you are still interested, Robot Kingdom has this item listed and will fill any orders placed.

Thanks
www.bigbadtoystore.com

[kup]

I preordered this from BBTS a few days ago, figured I could always cancel if I changed my mind and it hasn't cost me anything.

Got this email today:



Doesn't sound good. It is possibly due to the prominent negative response from people about it. They don't want to be left with dead stock they would have to put on clearance in order to move.

[Tallestblue]

Lights do usually draw me in but with the Year of the Snake Omega coming I'm not sure I want to plonk down 300 for this guy...

[Trent]

More pics courtesy of TFW:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/698600-new-prototype-pics-genesis-not-omega-supreme.html

We finally see the full robot mode. His claw is HUGE!! Now we only need to see the alt mode.

I think it's slowly growing on me. :confused:

[kup]

More pics courtesy of TFW:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/698600-new-prototype-pics-genesis-not-omega-supreme.html

We finally see the full robot mode. His claw is HUGE!! Now we only need to see the alt mode.

I think it's slowly growing on me. :confused:

link not working

[SuspectimusPrime]

More pics courtesy of TFW:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/698600-new-prototype-pics-genesis-not-omega-supreme.html

We finally see the full robot mode. His claw is HUGE!! Now we only need to see the alt mode.

I think it's slowly growing on me. :confused:

Seems like a mod has moved the discussion here (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/660290-project-genesis-41.html).

Looks pretty good and amazingly accurate to the game. A good alt mode, and if that robot mode can handle all the upper body weigh then it's going to be hard to fault...

[kup]

Seems like a mod has moved the discussion here (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/660290-project-genesis-41.html).

Looks pretty good and amazingly accurate to the game. A good alt mode, and if that robot mode can handle all the upper body weigh then it's going to be hard to fault...

Now we have something to get excited about :D

They now have my attention.

[VERT]

Thats just amazing. Yeah im interested. But the cost! But first I would like to see the alt mode and in colour. With postage will be almost the same cost as fort max :-/

[1AZRAEL1]

I am really liking the look of it now too, but the price I think will be between $300 and $400 easy.

[SuspectimusPrime]

I am really liking the look of it now too, but the price I think will be between $300 and $400 easy.

Trent (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=322843&postcount=19) mentioned that pre-orders are up with RK -- $350 shipped. Seeing how BBTS has publicly mentioned that they will not be carrying this fig, RK so far has the monopoly, but I don't see them increasing the price anytime soon given the slow take up -- they've still got almost 500 units in stock :eek::p

[theheretic]

Now that I've seen the figure in its full form and not just a silhouette I think I want it. Damn it!

[canofwhoopass_87]

Well what ze hell man? The silhouette did the figure no justice whatsoever

[theheretic]

I'm still holding off until I see a coloured final version BUT he is looking amazing. So much detail and although the arms seem disproportionate, it seems pretty spot on to his in-game appearance.

Here's the pictures over at TFW2005 (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/war-for-cybertron-omega-supreme-project-genesis-unofficial-figure-prototype-image-176233/)

[5FDP]

I very rarely comment on third party stuff (just doesn't do it for me), but this is quite impressive... and huge!

[Sam]

I think the pictures of the actual figure does it more justice. The legs still look thin, but not as thin.

[theheretic]

I've ordered it :-| Recieved my tax return and it more than covered this. I kept looking at the pictures and ended up just doing it. Hopefully I won't regret this. Has anyone else ordered it?

[kup]

I've ordered it :-| Recieved my tax return and it more than covered this. I kept looking at the pictures and ended up just doing it. Hopefully I won't regret this. Has anyone else ordered it?

Although they now have my attention and following the development of this toy, I am actually waiting for more final pics before deciding to buy it. Potentially, I may also wait for a review once it's released as this is an unproven 3rd party company asking for a lot of money.

[Trent]

Although they now have my attention and following the development of this toy, I am actually waiting for more final pics before deciding to buy it. Potentially, I may also wait for a review once it's released as this is an unproven 3rd party company asking for a lot of money.

What he said

[theheretic]

Sounds like I will need to sort out my camera issues/difficulties so I can share once its released

[1AZRAEL1]

I do want it, but I am in a bit of financial difficulty atm and can't really affford much. Can't even get the MP Cassettes yet :(

[Hursticon]

It does look really good & looks to realise a mold model, that'd likely never see an Official release, with extreme accuracy. :eek:

Sadly I just don't have a place or a budget for it and that actually saddens me, because I imagine many will be in a situation like this and will likely go after the Official Cybertron figure Retool/Repaint as it'll be cheaper & more abundant with better availability - Leaving an otherwise excellent production to just 'Shelf-warm'. :(

[theheretic]

It does look really good & looks to realise a mold model, that'd likely never see an Official release, with extreme accuracy. :eek:

Sadly I just don't have a place or a budget for it and that actually saddens me, because I imagine many will be in a situation like this and will likely go after the Official Cybertron figure Retool/Repaint as it'll be cheaper & more abundant with better availability - Leaving an otherwise excellent production to just 'Shelf-warm'. :(

I'll do my best to promote it once I receive mine. Which will undoubtedly be keeping Bruticus warm rather that a shelf.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/396193_414741175259704_137504849_n_1351799287.jpg

[theheretic]

Alt mode pics are up in their Facebook page

[VGMStudios]

I'm too am very tempted to buy this but as it been said they are asking lot of $$ for a company I know nothing about. But damn does it look good. Ill wait for some kind of review first.

[theheretic]

More pictures on their Facebook page. This time of the head tank mode and the arms movement and panels. Looks very good.

[Hursticon]

More pictures on their Facebook page. This time of the head tank mode and the arms movement and panels. Looks very good.

Do you have a link man? :)

[kup]

It took me a little while to find it :)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Planet-X/398966060170549

[Trent]

looks good. It'd be good if they factor some sort of G1ness into it.

[Hursticon]

Ah, cheers! :cool:

[kup]

looks good. It'd be good if they factor some sort of G1ness into it.

I don't think that's the vision. However I can tell that the people behind this are very enthusiastic about what they are doing and they should be as this is a very ambitious project.

I am looking forward to further development and final pics.

[Lord_Zed]

It's interesting, though the spaceship mode looks a bit like space junk to me.

[Trent]

It's interesting, though the spaceship mode looks a bit like space junk to me.

Funny you say that, as it is fairly spot on the game.

[kup]

Funny you say that, as it is fairly spot on the game.

Yeah I can't blame them for the design as it is what the game looks like.

[theheretic]

Sorry guys, I should have posted a link. My bad. It's pretty accurate to his in-game model, especially the robot mode but I do agree it looks like space junk in alt mode and I doubt many will leave it in anything but bot mode.

[Trent]

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Wrxus/8CAD3FF3-9B90-41D8-820B-427DD5DA5FFD-576-0000012B6AEBD4BC.jpg

[VERT]

I think I want it :D

[Bidoofdude]

A tad bit too neon-ish to me, but, being a HUGE fan of Omega Supreme, I'll probably get it.

[kup]

A tad bit too neon-ish to me, but, being a HUGE fan of Omega Supreme, I'll probably get it.

Agreed. The bright G1 colors don't suit the mold.

[Bidoofdude]

The red seems to be a bit dark to me. In the game, it seems quite mild and light, as with the yellow and grey. Too in your face colours.
G1 has lighter colours than this, though.

[Ultra Mackness]

I'm really liking the look of this, and I was hoping I wouldn't because it's gonna hit my wallet hard :(

[Lord_Zed]

I quite like the G1 colours, but I'm not convinced I like the mold enough to shell out the big $$ for it.

At least not yet.

[Bidoofdude]

C'mon, we're ready!
Throw a Metroplex at us!!

[Trent]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/532431_433747710025717_1107579346_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/66762_433747706692384_1890662397_n.jpg

Can't say I think much of the alt mode. Especially in those bright colours.

[kup]

Can't say I think much of the alt mode. Especially in those bright colours.

The WFC design of the alt mode was always a bit odd but the colors here kill it.

[kup]

This is what it looks like with the colors toned down:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/66762_433747706692384_1890662397_n.jpg
http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k612/nosredna1313/Omega_zps45dfb47e.jpg

Certainly an improvement.

Credit Jehsee from TFW (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-3rd-party-discussion/660290-project-genesis-82.html)

[Mythirax]

Oh wow, so much nicer to look at with the toned down colors :eek:

[Trent]

RK have put up on Facebook that this should be in stock and shipping in about 2 weeks. Final colour scheme photos posted later this week.

[VERT]

I should have my Pre Order made in just a few days :D

[VGMStudios]

I think I want it :D

I know I want it, but I cant afford it now! :(

VGM out...

[VERT]

Mine all paid for. Now fingers crossed its not delayed and its worth the mega bucks.

[kup]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8051/8416440160_e563eeedb9_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8074/8416440856_069c062925_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8364/8415344007_631a387201_z.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/533663_545787382106648_479750330_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/528873_545787372106649_591225376_n.jpg

Much better.

[ispayks]

Cool! This makes me want to "drop" my Amazon CNY Omega Supreme order. :eek:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8373/8416047495_f83eeb18b5_z.jpg

[VERT]

Looking good. Now im real glad I made that pre order :D

[liegeprime]

Meh , looks still too disproportioned for me, Ill settle for the YOTS Omega... most likely cheaper than this - with its weight past 3 kgs shipping will be a monster :|

[Mythirax]

Oh damn, this is now going on the do want list. I was iffy about it at first, but after seeing those images he looks damn sexy.

[i_amtrunks]

Very cool but I have a feeling he'll be too chunky in the midriff section thanks to the electronics. Not sure about the alt mode, need better pics.

$300 before shipping makes him a no go for me.

[VERT]

Its Omega he is meant to be a big fat old clunker. Its WOC Omega and its about as good we could hope for. It looks like he is meant to look like in the game.

[kup]

Certainly works as a WFC Omega so I can't fault it for being accurate to it.

[Trent]

I saw the one in the Sino centre in Hong Kong last week and it certainly had a presence. The new colours are a massive improvement. Will be interesting to see what shipping is on this monster.

[VERT]

Shipping was a bit less than $50 I think.

[Trent]

Shipping was a bit less than $50 I think.

Not too bad considering the size.

[VERT]

Well look who just arrived :-)

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0454.jpg

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0460.jpg

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0456.jpg

[SuspectimusPrime]

Well look who just arrived :-)

*snip*
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0460.jpg
*snip*

What a beast!! :eek:

Got some size comparison pics with other FOC figures? :)

What are your thoughts on its paint aps, plastic quality and joint quality?

[Trent]

Niiiiiiiiiiice:)

So is there a secret base mode or what? Do the 'hands' form a rocket like the G1 version?

Either way he looks cool. Give us your thoughts. Help me make up my mind.

[1AZRAEL1]

Looks great. Love the way the box looks too. More pictures please lol

[VERT]

More pics and thoughts soon. Late tonight or tomorrow. Have not had a chance to transform it yet. Just arrived before I had to go to work. But I do know the head turns into a little tank. Has huge ratchet joints and plastic is real good. Don't regret the price I paid.

[VERT]

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0458.jpg
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0457.jpg

[Trent]

That is an impressive box.

[Bidoofdude]

That art is fantastic!:cool::D

[VERT]

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0468.jpg http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0466-1.jpg

[VERT]

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0471.jpg

[Tallestblue]

Well...that's...Very Impressive.

[kaiden]

Vert! give us a full review! please? :p

[Mythirax]

Oh wow :eek: I want one so bad now :(

[VERT]

Vert! give us a full review! please? :p

Will if I can find the time to do it. But what I can say now and fast is this. Joints are huge ratchet joints. Not much in the way of paint but its all good. And the plastic quality is great. A ton of articulation and he supports his weight and has yet to fall over.

[SuspectimusPrime]

Will if I can find the time to do it. But what I can say now and fast is this. Joints are huge ratchet joints. Not much in the way of paint but its all good. And the plastic quality is great. A ton of articulation and he supports his weight and has yet to fall over.

Does he parts-form much aside from the two arms and head?

[Bidoofdude]

Does he parts-form much aside from the two arms and head?

According to most, both hands/lower arm (from the elbow) detach and can combine together to form a rocket. We just need a base mode now. The tank and rocket are all set.:cool:;)

[kup]

I watched the Optibotimus review and I have to say that it is very impressive, specially for a newcomer 3rd party.

[VERT]

Does he parts-form much aside from the two arms and head?

Nope to transform him you dont have to pull him apart at all. He is all one big transforming chunk... Well the head comes off for the tank. Yes the lower arms can be removed if you like. Have not done the rocket yet. So not sure.

[kup]

Nope to transform him you dont have to pull him apart at all. He is all one big transforming chunk... Well the head comes off for the tank. Yes the lower arms can be removed if you like. Have not done the rocket yet. So not sure.

yeah, looks like you don't have to pull him apart to transform but given the size, it may be easier to do so.

[VERT]

Your right its not easy to do cause of the size. Wont be doing it often. But thats cool because its so much better in bot mode.

[gdmetro]

I watched the Optibotimus review and I have to say that it is very impressive, specially for a newcomer 3rd party.

That review made me quite impressed and swayed me back to considering it for purchase. Still torn on whether to get this or YOTS Omega- the latter I was going for due to the potential upgrade by MakeToys.. but still very unsure.

[kup]

The only thing that holds me back from buying it is the current flood of awesome 3rd party stuff being released now and in the near future. Genesis unfortunately falls behind in the priority list when compared to the MMC, FP, Fantoys and all the other stuff going around.

[kaiden]

im interested in getting it but yeah...

-price
-size
-ratcheting/shoulders/arms are so puny how do they hold up his massive fists O_O

[VERT]

They are just good ratchet joints. They can hold real well even when holding someone.

Behold rocket mode!
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0473-1.jpg

[kup]

They are just good ratchet joints. They can hold real well even when holding someone.

Behold rocket mode!
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff473/VERTYSNAP/DSC_0473-1.jpg

Cool but it's mistransformed. You need to cover the middle section with the panel so that it doesn't look broken up.

[VERT]

Okay will give that a shot. Its not in the instructions. I also found out today that if you turn the grey band on his claw arm the claw spins.

[Trent]

This guy will look good standing next to FOC Metroplex.

[SuspectimusPrime]

^ In Optibotimus's review, he shows that you can clip the two red cylinder halves to form a more cylindrical middle section :)

[DarkHyren]

I've been looking Genesis for a few days and more and more I like it.
I'm definitely considering getting this guy, much to my wallets dismay.
Being that he's from a new group in the field of 3rd party TFs how does he compare to some of the stuff that say Fansproject makes?

[VERT]

For a new group he is a good heavy solid well built figure. They did a real good job. I have nothing to complain about. For a 3rd party price tag its worth it.

[1orion2many]

For a new group he is a good heavy solid well built figure. They did a real good job. I have nothing to complain about. For a 3rd party price tag its worth it.

I'm not having a go it's just that I find it highly amusing that people seem to put the third party offerings at a different price point to the regular Hasbro/Tak/Tom releases. Why is this?

[Trent]

Lower production runs and higher production costs? 3P companies don't have the corporate reach and resources of HasTak. I imagine this is most of it. But as 3P stuff becomes more popular the prices will fall due to larger numbers being sold, natural competition etc.

[VERT]

Yeah what Trent said. Small runs and all that. But in the end world rather pay more for something im 100% happy with than well cheap Hasbro I will have to fix and repaint to finish.

[kup]

I'm not having a go it's just that I find it highly amusing that people seem to put the third party offerings at a different price point to the regular Hasbro/Tak/Tom releases. Why is this?

Quality over quantity. Most of the better known third parties have excellent material quality and QC. They also tend to excel at customer service.

Also the more established third parties actually produce higher quality stuff at comparable costs (sometimes less) than a Tomy Masterpiece toy.

When I buy an FP or MMC toy, I can be confident of receiving a quality item. When I buy an official Masterpiece - Who knows what I'll get?

In regards to this 3rd party Omega, it is a huge toy with a fair bit of thought and engineering gone into it to translate the character model from the game. $300 doesn't seem that much when you compare it to something like Supreme Devastator from the movie line that had a pretty high price tag on release and was nothing but blocks put together with a stupid gimmick

[1orion2many]

I'm not arguing that they haven't got quality on their side compared to the average deluxe but you aren't paying deluxe prices you are paying the equivalent of the latest MP prices (Lambor and Alert) which I consider to be superior to the third party offerings at the same price point, I notice you say different Kup but I have had bad experiences with third party items and not official merchandise where as you seem to be the opposite so our experiences will colour our perception. The third parties are superior to the average deluxe but inferior to the MP's so wouldn't it make sense for these third party items to be sitting around the $45.00 mark. Yes I know they have smaller production runs but they also have a lot less in the way of overheads. One last thing, Don't forget a lot of these items are stolen intellectual property which Hasbro/Tak/Tom has deemed not to chase in court at this point in time, I understand some of the third party people are now creating their own designs which are quite good but still have their faults which people seem to forgive more easily than say if it was an official item. I'm putting all this out there as I'm interested in peoples views and the reasons for them.

[1orion2many]

In regards to this 3rd party Omega, it is a huge toy with a fair bit of thought and engineering gone into it to translate the character model from the game. $300 doesn't seem that much when you compare it to something like Supreme Devastator from the movie line that had a pretty high price tag on release and was nothing but blocks put together with a stupid gimmick

I don't disagree on that monstrosity (Devastator) but then again I did my talking with my wallet, I'm sure if I did my research I could find some shocking third party items with stupid release prices as well;)

[kup]

I'm not arguing that they haven't got quality on their side compared to the average deluxe but you aren't paying deluxe prices you are paying the equivalent of the latest MP prices (Lambor and Alert) which I consider to be superior to the third party offerings at the same price point, I notice you say different Kup but I have had bad experiences with third party items and not official merchandise where as you seem to be the opposite so our experiences will colour our perception. The third parties are superior to the average deluxe but inferior to the MP's so wouldn't it make sense for these third party items to be sitting around the $45.00 mark. Yes I know they have smaller production runs but they also have a lot less in the way of overheads. One last thing, Don't forget a lot of these items are stolen intellectual property which Hasbro/Tak/Tom has deemed not to chase in court at this point in time, I understand some of the third party people are now creating their own designs which are quite good but still have their faults which people seem to forgive more easily than say if it was an official item. I'm putting all this out there as I'm interested in peoples views and the reasons for them.

No one is arguing, you asked a question and it's been answered but I am not blind to what's not being written either.

I call it as I see it which means that I will have a variety of experiences as you pointed out. My Hasbro MP-10 experience was great so I wrote good things about it. My MP Soundwave experience wasn't so great so I had more negative things to say but I did acknowledge that Soundwave itself and even Laserbeak were very well designed just got hit due to prone bad QC.

The whole intellectual property theft is a whole different topic as we are talking about the quality of the product. Well unless that's what you are really wanting to protest about in which case you won't get much of a counter argument because it is pretty obvious that stuff like this Omega and several of the MMC toys are clearly intellectual property theft.


I don't disagree on that monstrosity (Devastator) but then again I did my talking with my wallet, I'm sure if I did my research I could find some shocking third party items with stupid release prices as well;)

Yes there are like that Nova Lord coming out. I do not defend 3rd parties just because they are not official. I don't have a 'Us vs them' mentality. Some of them are indeed over priced crap and I am not afraid to say it when I see it. Like you, I vote with my wallet so I pay whoever makes me a good toy.

Third parties are not a single encompassing thing where one can judge the whole range on just one or two companies.

[1orion2many]

Thanks for the replies Kup, I was just interested in peoples opinions and not trying to start an all out argument (Which I'm not saying has happened;)). Most probably the wrong thread to do this, Sorry for derailing it.

[Lord_Zed]

To be honest I've found most of the third party releases I've picked up to have superior QC than the latest MP's.

I'm not a huge fan of the prices, they are specifically targeted at collectors, however that also means they tend to add those extra touches collectors like such as cool accessories, techspech cards, comics etc.

Also the division between costs is starting to shrink, the newest Hasbro toys are notably reduced in quality for the same cost, while the superior Japanese versions cost up to 40% more for what we used to get for the same price.

For me personally I have found a lot of Hasbro's latest offerings in the standard lines to not only have reduced quality but also be uninspired and mediocre at best. I'm hoping this will change with the newly announced Generations toys, however for now it means when I have to choose between two mediocre Hasbro toys that I kinda like and one good third party toy that I really like that costs twice the price, I'm going to go with the third party.

I still love the MP line, but I honestly don't see that huge a division between it and the better Third Party toys anymore, and paying the big bucks for these toys has had the effect of desensitizing me to Third party prices.

And yes there are plenty of absolutely terrible Third Party toys. Pretty much everything Impossible toys and Xtransbots has released, Igears older knock of MP's and accessories, and even some of Fans Projects early accessories were both overpriced and absolutely terrible in my opinion.

[kup]

Yeah thinking back, the very early FansProject stuff was pretty terrible like the CJ upgrade and the MP coronation set. I don't feel too bad about them as several board members here including myself managed to get it and the Starscream Crown set dirt cheap.

However the demand for the CJ upgrade made it go from $20-$300 market value! The kit wasn't even plastic but some porcelain like recin. The kit effectively converted the boring copout that was a red Bumblebee into Cliffjumper and that's what took everyone by storm despite the poor material quality. This was probably the catalyst that kickstarted the 3rd party movement due to all the demand the kit caused. Then City Commnader came along to hammer the nail on the head to further make the point and that kit wasn't exactly great but it added something Hasbro was negating begging fans for years.

[kup]

My Genesis Gallery:

http://kupscigar.com/collection2013/genesis/genesis01.jpg

http://kupscigar.com/collection2013/genesis/genesis02.jpg

http://kupscigar.com/collection2013/genesis/genesis03.jpg

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[UltraMarginal]

That is a pretty sweet bit of kit you have there Kup.

[lancalot]

his head becomes a separate tank?.. that cool !

[Trent]

Very nice Kup!:D

Can you do me a favour? Can you measure the total height of the rocket mode? Thanks.

[kup]

Very nice Kup!:D

Can you do me a favour? Can you measure the total height of the rocket mode? Thanks.

Sure, I'll do that when I get home but it is certainly pretty freaking tall. From guessing I would say possibly same or taller than MP-10.

[kup]

The Rocket mode is 37cm/14.5" tall from base to tip.

Here is the Omega Rocket with MP-01/04

http://kupscigar.com/collection2013/genesis/genesis_zise1.JPG

Omega Rocket with MP-11S Sunstorm (Same height as MP-03 for those who don't have the retooled mold. )

http://kupscigar.com/collection2013/genesis/genesis_size2.JPG

As you can see, it is a massive rocket that towers over any MP.

[Trent]

Thanks for that. I'm debating getting it but it won't be able to fit in my cabinet in robot mode. Base mode is still pretty bloody big though.

[Megatran]

Thank you to kup for sharing the photos. Persuaded me to get one. Boy his footprint takes up a fair amount of real estate.

[Cat]

Kup keeps a lot of interesting things around his computer...

[kup]

Kup keeps a lot of interesting things around his computer...

Computer desk doubles as my general hobby work bench :o

You will often find foreign currency there and on occasion, Ancient Roman coins..Yes I am serious! ;)

[Cat]

I'm having fun going through everything there.

I didn't even know you could still get Listerine tabs, but I think EVERYONE still has old boxes from them lying around.

I'm not sure why you have a braid of human hair to the left. A sign that you defeated them in battle and humiliated them? I'm not sure.

Your desk reminds me of my best mate's. Just random crap everywhere. It's a goldmine to explore.

I'd love to see your Roman coins. I actually keep a few around my desk too, but mine are in absolutely awful condition, so it doesn't matter.

[kup]

I like Listerine because I hate chewing gum and it's easy to carry in your pocket unlike the alternatives. They are still around but far less common than before. The little boxes can also be useful when customising something or storing tiny things.

Yep, the braid is from my battle victories. There can be only One!

The stuff on my desk is not permanent though, it shifts around frequently and gets tidied up at least once a fortnight. The problem is that I can't work without having a desk with easily accessible stuff, it inspires me. For example, if I am fixing/restoring something and I need to get creative on finding a replacement part or solution, I can just look around my desk for something that may be of use. I can't do that if everything is packed away in neat drawers or boxes.

Anyway, as I said, Roman coins sometimes appear. At this point I have none as I gave them all to my grandfather but the last I had were denarii from the time of Constantine the Great at around 300-320 CE. The ones I had were in reasonably good condition.

Recently I have been wanting to buy some more and looking at the far more expensive Julian denarii from around 45BC.