FOC Springer & Astrotrain - new Voyagers out June

[KaRNiV8L PRiME]

Robotkingdom (http://robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/main.php?action=details&CatType=&II=TF2012VOY003-1&lang=us&CatID=)

[Hursticon]

What!?! - WHAT!?! :eek::eek::eek:

Voyagers too!?! :eek:

[swoop]

Well that came out of nowhere. Its a very promising start to the 40 gen figures for 2013. I can see Springer being repainted into sandstorm

[Bidoofdude]

That's a good start. Glad I didn't get Asian Exclusive Springer.

I hope Astrotrain is cartoon/ehobby coloured.
:D

[Paulbot]

That concept art was in the Fall of Cybertron art book so it doesn't mean the figure will necessarily look like that (or be a triple changer or that Ultra Broadside is coming!).

But this week is now officially crazy with new figure news.

[tinyJazz]

What!?! - WHAT!?! :eek::eek::eek:

Voyagers too!?! :eek:

My reaction exactly! I wonder if they're different molds or retools of eachother?

[i_amtrunks]

So are we getting daily new release information?

[ILikeSoundwave]

Awesome also hopefully a new megatron mold for the FOC version.

[Gouki]

Oh my, yes.

Yes.

YES.

[kup]

Cool concept drawing is one thing as it is yet to go through the Hasbro cost cutting mill. I hope it turns out good but I am highly skeptical given their recent efforts.

Like always, if it turns out good I will buy it but if it turns out like the other FOC stuff, then no thanks.

[Quickstrike]

Voyager Springer? He'll tower over the other Wreckers! I still (potentially) want him though.

[Trent]

Cool concept drawing is one thing as it is yet to go through the Hasbro cost cutting mill. I hope it turns out good but I am highly skeptical given their recent efforts.

Like always, if it turns out good I will buy it but if it turns out like the other FOC stuff, then no thanks.

I second this.

But wait a minute, wasn't Springer one of the wreckers in the FOC Ruination (Bruticus) repaint???:confused:

Am keen to see Astrotrain.

[ILikeSoundwave]

Springer transforms into the autobot drop ship from the game.

[M-bot]

What!?! - WHAT!?! :eek::eek::eek:

Voyagers too!?! :eek:

I hope they're at least the FOC Soundwave/Blaster size... would wishing them to also be triple changers be too much?

Stoked about the news though!:D

[Paulbot]

But wait a minute, wasn't Springer one of the wreckers in the FOC Ruination (Bruticus) repaint???:confused:

Nope: Impactor, Twin Twist, Topspin, Roadbuster and Whirl. (The "original" Wreckers)

[5FDP]

Astrotrain will be mine!! Me wants it.

[Bidoofdude]

I'm interested to see where Astrotrain goes. Hopefully I can get a cartoon coloured AT without paying $200!:D;)

[SMHFConvoy]

Man... I've been working on a custom springer for my self on and off :-\

I am happy that this happening. The concept art is great!

[Bidoofdude]

So will these be packed together like the Classics vs packs or will they be individual and sold together as like a compilation?

[UltraMarginal]

A voyager size triple changing springer... I think I wet myself. a little. (still just a dream though till we see official pics.

[Paulbot]

So will these be packed together like the Classics vs packs or will they be individual and sold together as like a compilation?

Most likely: single figures at retail but the online stores will sell as a pair. Particularly if the case has two of each. Worse case scenario one is short packed (3-1).

[Lord_Zed]

While I guess this is good news, the current batch of FOC toys haven't really excited me. I was kinda hoping for some more classics style toys.

[Tober]

Cool concept drawing is one thing as it is yet to go through the Hasbro cost cutting mill. I hope it turns out good but I am highly skeptical given their recent efforts.

Like always, if it turns out good I will buy it but if it turns out like the other FOC stuff, then no thanks.

What was wrong with the 'other' FoC toys, I thought most of them were pretty good? So far FoC and MP are the only TF lines I'm interested in.

[5FDP]

What was wrong with the 'other' FoC toys, I thought most of them were pretty good? So far FoC and MP are the only TF lines I'm interested in.

Combaticons were cheap-looking, Optimus went backwards when compared to the WFC toy, Kickback is a horrendous toy, and Grimlock is 'a shell' of his former self ;) And they’re just the ones I have handled IRL. Shockwave is easily the best in the series but even his alternate mode is a bit of a disappointment.

[liegeprime]

Astrotrain will be mine!! Me wants it.

Somehow I can hear a cue of maniacal evil laughter in your background :D:p

Interesting to see A voyager Astrotrain. If it's as good as the Classics then it's an easy get for me. I'm with you on Kickback, he looks awesome in photoshop and the pics but, altmode wise its not very playable. It fall apart. Shame.

[Starscream77]

oh my poor wallet continues to weep, unless these are total rubbish they are a must have for me

[llamatron]

Cool to see Hasbro returning to triple-changers - and Cybertronian alt-modes will be a lot more forgiving from a design perspective.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Thats very true, I just hope they are better designed than Grimlock.

[Omega Metro]

I need a good Astrotrain in my collection. Hope he is worth the wait.

[Paulbot]

Minor spoilers for the latest issue of RID, but I was just reading it again and I noticed something. Is this the first appearance of FOC Astrotrain? (http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8dbc9b2160a94c90bdfa05e4e738210/tumblr_mhmsrwu9rl1qbguy1o1_400.jpg) The redesign seems brand new and with others in the series looking like their WFC / FOC / GEN toys it makes me wonder.

[Bidoofdude]

Damn it. :( He's white.:(:o

[1AZRAEL1]

I think you may be onto something there Paul. Does look to be a new Astrotrain. Remains to be seen if the Astrotrain figure is modeled after this. Looks good though.

Well Spotted.

[ILikeSoundwave]

Minor spoilers for the latest issue of RID, but I was just reading it again and I noticed something. Is this the first appearance of FOC Astrotrain? (http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8dbc9b2160a94c90bdfa05e4e738210/tumblr_mhmsrwu9rl1qbguy1o1_400.jpg) The redesign seems brand new and with others in the series looking like their WFC / FOC / GEN toys it makes me wonder.

Could be but I think maybe not because Springer transforms into the autobot dropship from the game, so i'm thinking Astrotrain will transform into the decepticon dropship from the game which is purple.

[Paulbot]

Remains to be seen if the Astrotrain figure is modeled after this.
I think it's the other way around. Like how Starscream and Bumblebee are drawn based on their WFC/FOC toys. The artist might have advance access to the toys which would have been in process for a while.

[Quickstrike]

My theory was Astrotrain would share a mold with an unannounced Broadside. Looking at that comic picture makes me think that it's still a vaguely plausible idea.

(I need to get back into Robots in Disguise. Apparently it's gotten way better?)

[kup]

Minor spoilers for the latest issue of RID, but I was just reading it again and I noticed something. Is this the first appearance of FOC Astrotrain? (http://24.media.tumblr.com/f8dbc9b2160a94c90bdfa05e4e738210/tumblr_mhmsrwu9rl1qbguy1o1_400.jpg) The redesign seems brand new and with others in the series looking like their WFC / FOC / GEN toys it makes me wonder.

When I saw it I figured it was the Classics toy. If that's the new toy, disappointing if they made him in those failed colors rather than the G1/Cartoon inspired ones we saw with Henkei.

[5FDP]

Yeah, if he ends up being another white coloured Astrotrain, that would be the deal breaker for me. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that ends up being the case and Takara then comes out with their own cartoon-accurate coloured Astrotrain ala. Henkei. If that happens though, expect to pay the premium prices that go along with it, especially being a Voyager class.

[Bidoofdude]

Hopefully they don't go by the game/comics (like they do:p) and will see that the grey and purple is much more popular for this character.:cool:

[Lord_Zed]

Yeah, I must admit while I don't like the white and purple Astrotrain as much as the grey one, he has spent many more years being white than grey so arguably his proper colours are white and purple.

Maybe if Hasbro used a nice white rather than a creamy looking white he would look good, and be true to his origins. :confused:

[Gouki]

Well, that's fine, more chance I'll be able snag as Astrotrain if he's white then. I don't mind either way, the gray and purple looks good, but if it's a white white and not cream then I'm down.

[Hursticon]

Hmm... For me I actually prefer the white, that's the colour scheme I remember from my childhood toy & it's the current look to my '06 Classics figure; Dependant on what Astrotrain ends up looking like though (Please be Cybertronian Steam Loco, PLEASE! :D) - I may pick him up but overall he'd be quite superfluous to my needs. :o

[Bidoofdude]

I need a cartoon-esque Astrotrain and Henkei Astrotrain is a trainwreck trying to find one.:p

[Gouki]

I need a cartoon-esque Astrotrain and Henkei Astrotrain is a trainwreck trying to find one.:p

Collectoybles have one for $30, right now. In stock and everything.

[Bidoofdude]

Collectoybles have one for $30, right now. In stock and everything.

Thanks a bunch. Hopefully it's not a site that hasn't updated for a while.;)
EDIT: It's 2010 copyright, so I'm a little skeptic.:(:p

[Mythirax]

Two of my fav transformers being done for FoC! Christmas is coming early :O

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Could be but I think maybe not because Springer transforms into the autobot dropship from the game, so i'm thinking Astrotrain will transform into the decepticon dropship from the game which is purple.Can someone post/link to a picof this? I haven't got the game but would like to see what the dropship looks like.
Thanks in advance.:)

[Starscream77]

I would assume Springer will be based on the art in the Art of FOC book but there is no concept art for Astrotrain in there.
If so Springer looks great and is a must

[SuspectimusPrime]

I need a cartoon-esque Astrotrain and Henkei Astrotrain is a trainwreck trying to find one.:p

Have you checked if Tropisetron (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=12496) still has his available? He hasn't updated his sales thread with 'sold' yet.

[Bidoofdude]

Have you checked if Tropisetron (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=12496) still has his available? He hasn't updated his sales thread with 'sold' yet.

Maybe? I'll contact him.:cool:

[ILikeSoundwave]

Can someone post/link to a picof this? I haven't got the game but would like to see what the dropship looks like.
Thanks in advance.:)

It's on the robot kingdom listing the jet from is the drop ship from the game.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

It's on the robot kingdom listing the jet from is the drop ship from the game.Sorry, I wasn't as clear about that as I should be - I was asking after the Astrotrain-possible-dropship model. Does the Decepticon one look the same in-game?

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Collectoybles have one for $30, right now. In stock and everything.

I'd stay well away from collectoybles. They have been gone for a loong time now

[Paulbot]

Appears the listing was wrong. No Astrotrain, but Blitzwing instead! Better news IMHO.

[1AZRAEL1]

And from the sounds of things, he will be good. Still wanna see them.

[Paulbot]

And from the sounds of things, he will be good. Still wanna see them.


http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/561646_490657944315247_1892188389_n.jpg

(I figure there's enough other news so the triplechangers could continue to be discussed here :) )

[SuspectimusPrime]

^ These Voyagers are looking much better than the first 3 deluxe waves, and first Voyager wave :) What a sleek face on Springer, and agreed, Blitzwing is much preferred over Astrotrain :D

[1AZRAEL1]

I like em already. Great to see another attempt to do updated triple changers. They will be bought. Want a picture of blitzwing tank mode. I'll have to check that site out when i get home.

[kup]

^ These Voyagers are looking much better than the first 3 deluxe waves, and first Voyager wave :) What a sleek face on Springer, and agreed, Blitzwing is much preferred over Astrotrain :D

It does look really good! Finally some good toys!

[Tallestblue]

look at that Springer! So awesome that Hasbro is taking Design cues from IDW!

Although it does mean Warbot Defender graduates to a new shelf....

[kup]

look at that Springer! So awesome that Hasbro is taking Design cues from IDW!

Although it does mean Warbot Defender graduates to a new shelf....

Defender had a good run and who knows, it could be that this new Springer is a response to it. When Defender came out (4 years ago now?), the Hasbro policy for Springer seemed to be just to repaint old Cybertron molds. I remember Archer saying that there was no need for a triple changing Springer because the Botcon 07 toy and the Universe repaint covered all modes :rolleyes:

I hope this is a sign that Hasbro is beginning to understand.

[Tallestblue]

...Still no sign of Arcee though....:(

[kup]

...Still no sign of Arcee though....:(

Too pink for them. I am happy that we are getting what we seem to be good toys. Just a week ago I was resigned to just skipping official toys altogether because they were such rubbish. Glad to see a turn around even if a small one.

[Darthprimus]

its probly been mentioned somewhere else, but if you look in the corner of the photo you can see "orio" written on the box im thinking that is a orion pax figure as there is a new mold of optimus seen in a couple of photos. and Metroplex looks so freaking awesome.

[Bidoofdude]

There is a Kreon Arcee coming out though.:D;)

[Paulbot]

its probly been mentioned somewhere else, but if you look in the corner of the photo you can see "orio" written on the box im thinking that is a orion pax figure as there is a new mold of optimus seen in a couple of photos.

Yep check the Toyfair news thread. There's a new deluxe for every recent IDW spotlight, including Orion Pax.

[Bidoofdude]

Yep check the Toyfair news thread. There's a new deluxe for every recent IDW spotlight, including Orion Pax.

THUN-DER-CRACKER!!! BRING HIM ON!!!!!!! I NEED ME A FOC/WFC Thundercracker.:cool::D

[Paulbot]

Official pics of the two (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/transformers-generations-toy-fair-2013-voyager-class-official-images-176852/) show a different, more G1 face for Blitzwing. Looks like he might have the same gimmick as Animated

In the comments on TFW it was suggested Blitzwing looks like IDW Flywheels ( and that's true (http://25.media.tumblr.com/20420cc194f6ba35af3e5ec31ce2afcf/tumblr_mhzd3jI91t1qbguy1o1_1280.jpg)) so there's a ready to go repaint, which would also suggest that Springer's helicopter/car could also be repainted as Battletrap. I'd buy all four!

Oh and can a mod change the topic title :)

[llamatron]

Roche inspired Springer is magnificent. Blitzwing is a bit naff though.

[SMHFConvoy]

Yeah, that Blitzwing is taking a lot of cues from TF: Animated. Wouldn't be too surprised if it has a spinning face gimmick.

[Gouki]

That Springer is like Roche art come to life. So glad I never cracked and got the Warbot Defender now.

[SMHFConvoy]

Official pictures from Hasbro show that Blitzwing's nose cone tucks behind the head like it's G1 counterpart and a face change gimmick like the Animated counterpart.

[Tallestblue]

Official pictures from Hasbro show that Blitzwing's nose cone tucks behind the head like it's G1 counterpart and a face change gimmick like the Animated counterpart.

I REALLY hope it has the "Crazy" face. that would make Blitzwing Perfect. Although now i hope that Voyager Astrotrain is still a thing...

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Not so sold on the triple changers ATM after checking ut those official pics. Once again, I suspect (Springer especially) is going to be hollow ala Grimlock.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

In the comments on TFW it was suggested Blitzwing looks like IDW Flywheels ( and that's true (http://25.media.tumblr.com/20420cc194f6ba35af3e5ec31ce2afcf/tumblr_mhzd3jI91t1qbguy1o1_1280.jpg)) so there's a ready to go repaint, which would also suggest that Springer's helicopter/car could also be repainted as Battletrap.That is a brilliant suggestion - both Duocons would be awesome.
That said, I suspect we're more likely to get a Sandstorm repaint and/or a generic 'we need to keep this name trademarked' repaint from them. Not that I'd mind that as long as they did the colour schemes like the Duocons, but if that happens at all I suspect they'd be convention exclusives.

Still, I'm pleasantly surprised by what they're doing now, so fingers crossed.

[Quickstrike]

I love that Blitzwing. My "Classics versions of Animated characters" collection grows. :D I hope he has a crazy face.

That Springer is basically perfect jesus christ. Give me more Last Stand of the Wreckers toys.

[SMHFConvoy]

I REALLY hope it has the "Crazy" face. that would make Blitzwing Perfect. Although now i hope that Voyager Astrotrain is still a thing...

Well I saw the monocle version and a very G1 face so the crazy face maybe a reality.

[Mythirax]

Oh wow, I think they look amazing! I can't wait to finish off my FoC collection :D:D:D

[Sutton]

That Springer is like Roche art come to life. So glad I never cracked and got the Warbot Defender now.

Likewise. The alt modes have a lot more character than Defender.

To be fair, that was FP's 1st stand alone figure, this is Hasbro's 79,107th.

[UltraMarginal]

That Springer is like Roche art come to life. So glad I never cracked and got the Warbot Defender now.

Totally agree
Totally stoked.

:D

[1AZRAEL1]

That Springer is like Roche art come to life. So glad I never cracked and got the Warbot Defender now.

And you have me to thank for that because i caved and bought one very recently to have them release a good figure finally. Tends to happen to me :p

[Deceptic_Optic]

WRECK ON RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!...preordered!!! (x3) :D

[5FDP]

So... RK got it wrong, we're getting Blitzwing instead of Astrotrain :confused: That sucks! I was all super-excited for a Voyager Astrotrain :(

[Bartrim]

That Springer is like Roche art come to life. So glad I never cracked and got the Warbot Defender now.

Same. Except for me it was a case of never having enough cash on hand for Warbot.

[Hursticon]

Blitzwing looks friggin' fantastic, I love that they've included the awesome character addition that TF:Animated imbued into him - Namely the split personalities & 'Man-E-Faces' face swapping gimmick! :D
His 2 Alt modes look truly stunning, in that they've finally been able to take a tank & turn it into a jet - Convincingly, along with very little (If any) carry-over kibble from either mode into the next. :eek::cool:

I'll be grabbing him in a heart beat but I still do hold out hopes for a new Voyager Astrotrain, if only so I can have an updated 'Cyber-Space Shuttle-Steam Loco'. ;):D

[Sutton]

Well that came out of nowhere. Its a very promising start to the 40 gen figures for 2013. I can see Springer being repainted into sandstorm

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Posted on the other thread, but worth putting here as well - Sandstorm repaint is looking very likely.

[Paulbot]

Sandstorm is fine, as long as Blitzwing is Flywheels.

[5FDP]

Bugger Sandstorm! I want my Generations Voyager Astrotrain!!

[SuspectimusPrime]

Well I've got some love for Sandstorm :p Is that tiny snapshot a new mould? If not then maybe the Springer mould heavily retooled?

Liked him in two Season 3 episodes, Fight or Flee, and also Starscream's Ghost or Ghost in the Machine - the one where he hangs out with Octane after he converts.

[liegeprime]

Bugger Sandstorm! I want my Generations Voyager Astrotrain!!

and I want him to be able to fit a fully combined Giant inside!!:p:p;);)



Oh and Octane didn't convert SP, more like he's status is "refugee". He sought asylum with the autobots coz he's going to get scrapped by Galvatron for using Trypticon for his bid at decepticon leadership. The Decepticon troops during that time has very low morale and loyalty to Galvatron compared to what they've shown to Megatron. Even though it's the same bot, but you know a lot more crazeeee!! :p

[Eazy D]

Springer is pure GOLD
Springer has always been my favourite Autobot character and after years of puny repaints that have carried the name its a joy to finally see a dedicated bad ass traiple changer. The facts he's a voyager puts him out of scale with the rest of the classics but who cares? The bigger size class has allowed for a really nice toy. Bot mode is fine and the car and helicopter modes are surprisingly convincing. His car mode is actually far better than the G1 cartoon/toy car.

Blitzwing looks great too. Excellent G1 colour scheme and a good tank mode. Again surprisingly the fighter jet mode doesn't look so bad considering the tank kibble thats got to be present.

I'm stoked about these two

[Sutton]

Well I've got some love for Sandstorm :p Is that tiny snapshot a new mould? If not then maybe the Springer mould heavily retooled?

Liked him in two Season 3 episodes, Fight or Flee, and also Starscream's Ghost or Ghost in the Machine - the one where he hangs out with Octane after he converts.

Looking at the rear wing and front windows and general shape, it's the same mold, but retooled to have wings instead. The wheel 'turbines' on the wings will no doubt help give a more defined buggy mode that's distinctive to Springers and some extra bulk in robot mode. Almost as clever as what they achieved with Sunstreaker and Sideswipe IMHO.

[Lord_Zed]

I think I'm more keen for Blitzwing than Springer, they both look pretty good though I am just a tiny bit concerned Springers legs may look just a little bit to skiny. Though hey, he is Springer.

Scrutinizing the Metroplex, Sandstorm actually looks like he will be a new mold and look more like a plane with wheels on his wings. Conjecture anyway.

[canofwhoopass_87]

Not interested in these, but geez what a big step forward for Hasbro! Blitzwing's tank and jet modes look very nice

[Bidoofdude]

We're probably not getting Astrotrain, but Blitzwing is WAAY better. Really cool with the interchangeable faces.
Springer is very sleek. I prefer him over the GDO retool.

[GoktimusPrime]

We already got a Classics Astrotrain anyway, so I totally agree that Hasbro should be focussing on characters who haven't gotten the Classicsverse treatment yet, like Blitzwing and the Autobot Triple Changers. :)

[Hursticon]

We already got a Classics Astrotrain anyway, so I totally agree that Hasbro should be focussing on characters who haven't gotten the Classicsverse treatment yet, like Blitzwing and the Autobot Triple Changers. :)

But Springer has already received 3 individual figures & Sandstorm has one too :confused: - Why can't Astrotrain receive an updated treatment?

[liegeprime]

But Springer has already received 3 individual figures & Sandstorm has one too :confused: - Why can't Astrotrain receive an updated treatment?

they couldn't figure out a way for him to fit Devastator inside without him going boom!!;)

[5FDP]

We're probably not getting Astrotrain, but Blitzwing is WAAY better. Really cool with the interchangeable faces.
Springer is very sleek. I prefer him over the GDO retool.


We already got a Classics Astrotrain anyway, so I totally agree that Hasbro should be focussing on characters who haven't gotten the Classicsverse treatment yet, like Blitzwing and the Autobot Triple Changers. :)

Heathens! Astrotrain is a GOD (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_God_Gambit)!!!

[GoktimusPrime]

But Springer has already received 3 individual figures & Sandstorm has one too :confused: - Why can't Astrotrain receive an updated treatment?
Previous Springers and Sandstorms were repaints though. They've never had 'proper' toys in terms of a purpose-made mould that suited them. Astrotrain had a 'proper' toy that was explicitly made for him. It's similar to how we really needed a Generations Dirge, cos Universe Dirge was just a repaint of Cybertron Voyager Starscream (I got it just as a place holder; when Generations Dirge came out, I offloaded Universe Dirge and Roadbuster). And to me, Orange Beachcomber =/= Sandstorm. Also, he was part of the Hunt for the Decepticon line, which technically places him in the Movieverse. :o

If they released a new mould for Generations Astrotrain, I don't think I'd buy it because I already have Henkei Astrotrain. I'd much rather Hasbro focus on developing new moulds for characters that don't already have them than ones that already do.

Heathens! Astrotrain is a GOD (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_God_Gambit)!!!
Your god can go kiss my Astrotrain. :p

[kup]

I wouldn't mind updated voyager (or tall deluxe) Classic seekers. The 2006 Classics mold is showing a fair bit of age and rather small.

[Sutton]

I wouldn't mind updated voyager (or tall deluxe) Classic seekers. The 2006 Classics mold is showing a fair bit of age and rather small.

I think I want that to happen, but then I realise it means buying the same toy 6 times all over again - and it was a long PITA process to do that first time around.

[primatives]

i wish springer and blitzwing were deluxe size to fit in with the other classics seeing as astrotrain was deluxe hope its not much bigger than skyfire then i guess it'd be ok.

[Trent]

That's the only problem I have with Springer: he's too big. If he;s as big as FOC Soundwave then he will look out of place ith the rest of my classics bots. Blitzwing I think though would work quite well as a voyager.

[1AZRAEL1]

Personally, I really don't care about scale. G1 figures were all never in scale with the next fellow anyway heh :p

[Bidoofdude]

That's the only problem I have with Springer: he's too big. If he;s as big as FOC Soundwave then he will look out of place ith the rest of my classics bots. Blitzwing I think though would work quite well as a voyager.

This is what I'm worried about. FOC Soundwave looks so out of place with his size, so hopefully they'll be smaller. (being Hasbro, of course:p;))
I like Blitzwing and I love the sleekness of Springer, so size is worrying me on Springer.

[kaiden]

i wish everything was the new masterpiece scale.

[Lord_Zed]

I wouldn't mind updated voyager (or tall deluxe) Classic seekers. The 2006 Classics mold is showing a fair bit of age and rather small.

Not sure about this, I don't really think I want to buy six new repaint/retools again. Also pretty much 90% of the bots in the Decep Classic line are on the small side (compared to the Autobots anyway). If they re-make the seekers then Astrotrain and Octane will look tiny, then they would have to re-make them pretty soon they'll just remake the whole line over. I think it's enough they did that for the MP's. I'd rather see them make more new classic characters, and the seekers are afforded far to much popularity in proportion to their fairly bog standard role as grunts.

[GoktimusPrime]

I wouldn't mind updated voyager (or tall deluxe) Classic seekers. The 2006 Classics mold is showing a fair bit of age and rather small.
Meh... the way things are going lately, today's Voyager is nearly the size of yesteryear's Deluxe. :p Besides, we already have a lot of Mini-Bots in varying scales -- Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Warpath are Deluxes, Brawn, Beachcomber and Cosmos are Legends, Windcharger's a Scout, and for those who accept TF2010 as part of Classicsverse, Sea Spray's a Voyager! :eek: Having a Deluxe Astrotrain and Octane alongside other Triple Changers as Voyagers is the least of my concerns compared to the scale discrepancies amongst the Autobot Mini-Cars! :eek:


I'd rather see them make more new classic characters, and the seekers are afforded far to much popularity in proportion to their fairly bog standard role as grunts.
^I agree. I wouldn't mind them doing Sunstorm and the blue Rainmaker as repaints of the existing Deluxe Seeker mould - but yeah, more new characters please! If I wanted to collect new versions of the same old characters, I'll go to my nearest store and come back with a box load of Bumblebees. :p

[Defcon]

It has always been my wish that triple changers be voyager class! In todays deluxe class these would be to small unless they decided to make them a little larger than normal. Its a bit of a disappointment that the original Astrotrain listing was incorrect and instead its Blitzwing. I do want Blitzwing though.

I hope they do an Astrotrain and a Broadside as voyagers! The rumoured Sandstorm will be a welcome addition also. :cool:

[kup]

Not sure about this, I don't really think I want to buy six new repaint/retools again. Also pretty much 90% of the bots in the Decep Classic line are on the small side (compared to the Autobots anyway). If they re-make the seekers then Astrotrain and Octane will look tiny, then they would have to re-make them pretty soon they'll just remake the whole line over. I think it's enough they did that for the MP's. I'd rather see them make more new classic characters, and the seekers are afforded far to much popularity in proportion to their fairly bog standard role as grunts.

My thoughts on the matter were mostly motivated by how awesome MMC's Screecher is in robot mode. An updated G1 Starscream at that level would be nice but I guess I am just dreaming.

[Bidoofdude]

My thoughts on the matter were mostly motivated by how awesome MMC's Screecher is in robot mode. An updated G1 Starscream at that level would be nice but I guess I am just dreaming.

Screecher's pretty cool looking, but I love the seeker mold SOOO MUCCHHH, it's hard to imagine anything besides arm clearance to work on.

[Defcon]

My thoughts on the matter were mostly motivated by how awesome MMC's Screecher is in robot mode. An updated G1 Starscream at that level would be nice but I guess I am just dreaming.
I get where you are coming from, as the classics starscream mold is pretty outdated and simple. Looks good though, just pretty plain and boring. Its a shame they never did voyager seekers in classics. Because most would of loved it. Voyagers did happen in the movieverse and animated, In my opinion they would of served better in classics. Because we have MP Starcream and others, I'd say its already been catered for. Probably a reason for the absense of an updated classicsverse Starcream.

[griffin]

Expect for the 30th Anniversary, new toys for Hasbro's biggest characters... and Starscream would be high up their "checklist of priority characters" because of how profitable the mould would be with redecos.
We've already got new Generations toys coming this year for Optimus, Bumblebee and Megatron... Starscream is like the fourth best-known character. (and you can imagine that next year's anniversary would cash in with a new "Gen1" homage set)

[GoktimusPrime]

I personally find that, in general, carded toys offer better value for money than boxed toys. Hasbro seems to focus more on gimmicks than engineering with boxed figures such as the Voyager Class. e.g. First Edition Deluxe Megatron vs TFPRiD Voyager Megatron -- I own both of these figures, and the Deluxe toy totally trumps the Voyager in terms of value for money. The Deluxe has a better paint job, lacks that weird looking transparent purple thing, and quite frankly some of the extra engineering they worked into the Voyager tends to be more detracting rather than adding to the toy (like the shoulder pads). Yeah alright, they're both rubbish toys really... but the Voyager is a bigger and much more expensive rubbish toy! I also own FE Deluxe Starscream and I've handled someone else's Voyager TFPRiD Starscream; the Voyager doesn't really substantially add much more value than what the Deluxe already offers, at least, not in any way that justifies what you pay for it. The Deluxe offers much better value for your dollar IMHO. Also, by keeping the Seekers at Deluxe size, they scale better against Megatron who's a Voyager.


Voyagers did happen in the movieverse and animated, In my opinion they would of served better in classics.
TF1 and Animated Voyager Starscream were sucky toys IMO. They did improve with the ROTF Starscream... if you could stand all those alien tattoos (which while canonically accurate, detracts from the "robot in disguise" element). And again, I find that the Deluxe DOTM Seeker mould offers just as good value, but at a cheaper price. I own TF1 Voyager, ROTF Voyager and Deluxe DOTM Starscream (and DOTM Deluxe Skywarp and Thundercracker), and I find the Deluxes just give me the best bang for my buck. I also own Animated Voyager Starscream and Skywarp, and Activator Thundercracker and Dirge --- I find Dirge and Thundercracker to be good toys for what you pay. I find the Voyagers to be rather disappointing for what I paid (well, I got Skywarp cheap, but still -- considering the full Voyager RRP which is what I paid for Starscream)

Carded toys don't cater for in-built electronic gimmicks that I frankly don't care about, so they're more engineering/design driven. The MechTech gimmick on the Deluxes was far more subtle and non-intrusive compared to electronic gimmicks (especially sound gimmicks :rolleyes:) -- carded toys are often much less 'compromised' in their design compared to their boxed counterparts. Give me a toy that's cheaper and relatively better engineered (for its size/price) than a big expensive toy with underwhelmingly lacklustre design.
^JMHO :)

[kaiden]

the recent deluxes have been very good.

Jazz, Warpath, Kup, Perceptor, Wreckgar, Scourge, Thrust, Dirge & Thundercracker.

TFPrime deluxes, I don't have all of them so.... yeah but the Generations line is definitely a top tier in terms of well, everything.

At the moment my new love is the Masterpiece line starting from MP-10. I went to play with MP-09 and can't get over how much I hate it and regret buying it. But I absolutely love the designs of Optimus, Sideswipe and Soundwave. It makes me really look forward to Prowl, Bluestreak and Smokescreen.

Recently I bought the Beast Hunters voyagers Prime and Predaking and they were very underwhelming. Also the same for Thundertron. I think the last voyager I absolutely loved were the TFPime 1st edition Bulkhead and Optimus Prime.

But the pictures of the new Springer and Blitzwing have renewed my excitement. They look like they'll really be fun to transform and play with in all modes.

[GoktimusPrime]

I personally haven't been enamoured with a Voyager since ROTF Bludgeon. :o

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

have you played with FE Bulkhead gok? It is a wonderful figure. But then they FEs aren't hindered by electonic/gimmicks.

[SuspectimusPrime]

I personally find that, in general, carded toys offer better value for money than boxed toys. Hasbro seems to focus more on gimmicks than engineering with boxed figures such as the Voyager Class. e.g. First Edition Deluxe Megatron vs TFPRiD Voyager Megatron -- I own both of these figures, and the Deluxe toy totally trumps the Voyager in terms of value for money. The Deluxe has a better paint job, lacks that weird looking transparent purple thing, and quite frankly some of the extra engineering they worked into the Voyager tends to be more detracting rather than adding to the toy (like the shoulder pads). Yeah alright, they're both rubbish toys really... but the Voyager is a bigger and much more expensive rubbish toy! I also own FE Deluxe Starscream and I've handled someone else's Voyager TFPRiD Starscream; the Voyager doesn't really substantially add much more value than what the Deluxe already offers, at least, not in any way that justifies what you pay for it. The Deluxe offers much better value for your dollar IMHO. Also, by keeping the Seekers at Deluxe size, they scale better against Megatron who's a Voyager.


I'd agree with this. Deluxe-sized toys have always been the most fun for me. Getting Titan Class Metroplex for this year is awesome, but to have all the behemoths - Metroplex, Trypticon, Fortress Maximus and Scorponok - in one single line (and thus, one single design continuity) has been a dream in all continuity resets since G1.

Would not mind collecting all 4 as well engineered and well painted Deluxes :) Quite convinced by liege's MyClone line up that this would look awesome :p:D

[KaRNiV8L PRiME]

Now updated with new pics (http://robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/main.php?action=details&CatType=&II=TF2012VOY003-1&lang=us&CatID=)

[GoktimusPrime]

Those Triple Changers look neat! :D


have you played with FE Bulkhead gok? It is a wonderful figure. But then they FEs aren't hindered by electonic/gimmicks.
Yeah, I have FE Bulkhead (TakTOM ver). I find he's a fairly decent Voyager, but I have an issue with mine where one of the joints on the door is really weak and highly prone to falling out. :(

[Starscream77]

These are now up for pre order on BBTS
They look awesome and i have already ordered :D

[Paulbot]

I ordered Springer and Astrotrain from RK's original listing. I wonder what will arrive, or I'd that order will be cancelled.

[Bidoofdude]

Blitzwing with a more square head and bigger shoulders would make it perfect!:cool: