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griffin
16th July 2008, 09:31 AM
Posted to the ATT newsgroup by 'Zobovor' (I could give a google link to the message, but that'd take time, and I'm just so excited... :p )


Original message:

Chad's query about future Robot Heroes releases got me curious, so I
poked around in the Wal-Mart computer today and I found some listings
for upcoming toys that I didn't know about. Apologies if this is old
news, but I haven't seen any mention of them here yet.

In addition to the Robot Heroes we already know about (Kickback,
Ironhide, Blaster, Thrust, etc.) there were several pairs listed in
the computer I wasn't aware of. Some of the names were truncated so
their identities are not known to me:

SNARL VS SHARKT
CHEETOR VS TANK
PERCEPTOR VS HA
TIGATRON VS INF
RICOCHET VS PRE
SUPER OP VS RID
PROWL VS LASERB
OPTMS VS JETSTR
VCTRY SABER VS

Let's break this down. Pitting Snarl against a Sharkticon is strange
and comical since Snarl was the only Dinobot who *didn't* encounter
the Sharkticons at any point, but I sure hope these figures match my
mental picture, because in my head they're super-cute. Thylacine 2000
recently confirmed that Cheetor vs. Tankor was a Beast Machines set
announced at BotCon.

Perceptor and his mystery opponent have me baffled; there are only a
handful of characters whose names start with "Ha-" and none of them
seem appropriate. (I'm holding out for the possibility that it's one
of the generic background Decepticon jets, and that they've
appropriated one of the names I assigned them, like Harbinger or
Hailstorm.) I suppose it could be a brand-new character with a name
like Hacksaw, but that wouldn't make sense in the Robot Heroes toy
line. (Han Solo? Harvey Birdman? Hamburglar? Half-Assed Homage?)

Anyway... I wonder if Tigatron vs. Inferno includes a recycled version
of Robot Heroes Cheetor (an accurate version of Tigatron would have a
new head sculpt, but who knows what they'll do). Ricochet seems like
an odd choice (redeco of Jazz?) but if that's Predaking he comes with,
I'll be delighted to no end. Super Optimus vs. RiD Megatron was also
confirmed at BotCon. Prowl vs. Laserbeak will be fun, I think.
Optimus vs. Jetstorm is apparently another Beast Machines set; why are
they wasting time with these when they could be doing figures of
characters who *didn't* get Hasbro toys, like the Diagnostic Drone?
Victory Saber is a surprising choice, but it'll make the Japanese fans
happy. Wonder who he comes with. Deszaras? (Wonder how they'll
romanize his name?)

Here's some other stuff I didn't know about, but I don't know if it's
already been reported elsewhere. The cross-reference for the
Transformers Classics series (Sunstreaker, Prowl, Tankor, etc.) also
includes a listing for DX CHEETOR, DX AUTOBOT, DX CYCLONUS, DX HOT
SHOT, and DX STARSCREA. The Autobot listing is probably short for
Jazz or Hound or somebody, but the non-G1 characters seem like odd
choices. Is Starscream just going to be a repack of the Classics 1.0
toy, or something else?

The Ultra scale assortment (the one that will have Onslaught,
Silverbolt, and Powerglide) also had a cross-reference in the computer
for SCOURGE and somebody called STORM C. What's that short for (Storm
Cloud?), and who's he supposed to be?

The Deluxe scale Animated toys had listings for an ARCEE SLEEK CAR (I
knew an Arcee toy was coming; I just think the description is funny,
like they're going out of their way to point out that she's not a
spider or a motorcycle) and also a TRA ELECTROSTATIC S. That's quite
a mouthful; is that supposed to be a character's name?

The Transformers Crossover series had listings for MVL TRA CRSSOVR
CPT, MVL TRA CRSSOVR HUMA, MVL TRA CRSSOVR WOLV, and MVL TRA CRSSOVR
THIN. The first three are evidently Captain America, Human Torch, and
Wolverine, but who's the fourth one?

Finally, I found the Transformers Universe Legends toys in the system
(and apparently my store's got 24 of them in stock somewhere, but I
haven't seen any of 'em yet). There were listings for Onslaught, Red
Alert, Starscream, Hound, Autobot Jazz, Megatron, Optimus Prime,
Bumblebee, Prowl, Beachcomber, Brawn, Cosmos, Rodimus, Wheelie, and
Warpath. Are these all supposed to be redeco versions of existing
Legends class toys, or are there going to be any designed specifically
to represent the G1 characters? (I can't believe they're doing
another version of Wheelie! That's crazy!) These are going to retail
for only $4.44 so I'm thinking I may end up buying quite a few of
them.

Okay, breaking that down, we have.

--- Robot Heroes.
SNARL VS SHARKT - Gen1 Snarl (or Slag) Vs Sharkticon (Gnaw)
CHEETOR VS TANK - Beast Machines Cheetor Vs Tankor (at BotCon)
PERCEPTOR VS HA - Gen1 Perceptor Vs anyone's guess (maybe Long Haul?)
TIGATRON VS INF - Beast Wars Tigatron (recol?) Vs Inferno
RICOCHET VS PRE - Gen1? (recol of Jazz?) Vs Predaking?
SUPER OP VS RID - RiD Optimus Vs Megatron (shown at Botcon)
PROWL VS LASERB - Gen1 Prowl Vs Laserbeak
OPTMS VS JETSTR - Beast Machines? Optimus Vs Jetstorm
VCTRY SABER VS - JP Gen1? Victory Saber Vs unknown.

--- Universe.
DX CHEETOR - Shown at BotCon (new mould) (25th Anniv figure)
DX AUTOBOT - Most likely Hound (new mould with Ravage) (at BotCon) (25th Anniv figure)
DX CYCLONUS - Shown at BotCon (new mould with Targetmaster gun) (25th Anniv figure)
DX HOTSHOT - Shown at BotCon (new mould with Minicon) (25th Anniv figure)
DX STARSCREA - Starscream, New item (most likely new mould) (25th Anniv figure?)
Ultra SCOURGE - New item (most likely new mould)
Ultra STORM C - Storm Cloud (recol of Powerglide)

--- Animated.
ARCEE SLEEK CAR - Shown at BotCon.
TRA ELECTROSTATIC S - unknown, probably something gimmicky.

--- Marvel Crossovers.
MVL TRA CRSSOVR CPT - Captain America
MVL TRA CRSSOVR HUMA - Human Torch (seen at AUS Toyfair)
MVL TRA CRSSOVR WOLV - Wolverine (seen at AUS Toyfair)
MVL TRA CRSSOVR THIN - Thing

--- Universe Legends.
Onslaught - Already out. (recol)
Red Alert - Already out. (recol)
Starscream - Already out. (recol)
Hound - Shown at BotCon (new mould)
Autobot Jazz - Shown at BotCon (new mould)
Megatron - Shown at BotCon (new mould)
Optimus Prime - New
Bumblebee - New
Prowl - New
Beachcomber - Shown at BotCon (new mould)
Brawn - Shown at BotCon (new mould)
Cosmos - New
Rodimus - New
Wheelie - New (recently trademarked by Hasbro)
Warpath - New

1orion2many
16th July 2008, 09:38 AM
:rolleyes:Robot heroes don't do it for me but Universe, now that's a different story.:D

STL
16th July 2008, 09:44 AM
Friggin' ripping! They're making a Scourge to round out the big3 post TFTM! :D :D :D

But... the scale is gonna suck major... Looks like I may have to use Energon Galvatron as the leader as this ragtag bunch. The worst part is Galvatron is the smallest. At least in G1, Galvatron was still the tallest of the bunch... :rolleyes:


PERCEPTOR VS HA - Gen1 Perceptor Vs anyone's guess (maybe Long Haul?)
Hardhead's the only one I can offer up but I'd say "Hauler" since it's gotta be a Decepticon



TIGATRON VS INF - Beast Wars Tigatron (recol?) Vs Inferno
Definitely a recolour but they were retty much for the toys.


RICOCHET VS PRE - Gen1? (recol of Jazz?) Vs Predaking?
Yeah, Predaking is the only one w/ that prefix in G1. Other lines it could possibly be Predacon <someone> from BWs


SUPER OP VS RID - RiD Optimus Vs Megatron (shown at Botcon)
Meh...


PROWL VS LASERB - Gen1 Prowl Vs Laserbeak
Awesome! Prowl being announced is like three molds in one! :D :D :D


OPTMS VS JETSTR - Beast Machines? Optimus Vs Jetstorm
I reckon you're right there.


VCTRY SABER VS - JP Gen1? Victory Saber Vs unknown. = Woot!

New Legends molds are very nice, pretty much the same as the original mini-bots... BUT... given the new levels of articulation these days, I would've preferred the Scout Class :mad:

Wishful thinking but I'd love a 25th Anniversary Deluxe Blackarachnia. If Cheetor's gonna get one, I say she deserves one too!

Pulse
16th July 2008, 09:51 AM
Pulse = :)

Another Wheelie = :(:D

MV75
16th July 2008, 10:01 AM
Bumblebee - New
Prowl - New
Beachcomber - Shown at BotCon (new mould)
Brawn - Shown at BotCon (new mould)
Cosmos - New
Rodimus - New
Wheelie - New (recently trademarked by Hasbro)
Warpath - New

Oh yea. If they style these like the g1 mini bots, then hell yes. I've always beleived that legends are the g1 minibots equivilant. :)
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i_amtrunks
16th July 2008, 11:07 AM
All of this is great news!

Gutsman Heavy
16th July 2008, 12:03 PM
sweet, minibots reborn!

wheres outback!?

Paulbot
16th July 2008, 01:47 PM
Outback's Fallback now isn't he?

That list is so full of great things I can't even process it! :D

Robzy
16th July 2008, 05:10 PM
Really...Really... exciting news! :eek::o

liegeprime
16th July 2008, 05:17 PM
YAY! Arcee sleek car! hope this becomes a precedent and let the floodgates open! Ihave no qualms how Arcee's been issued a bike and all, but still when you think Arcee its gotta be a car....

dirge
16th July 2008, 06:53 PM
...Hauler's an Autobot.

There are only two G1 Decepticons whose name begin with "Ha" - Half-Track & Hammer. Both are rear end Micromaster combiners. Half-Track is a decent enough name, but I don't think the toy is worth tributing (even if I really like it myself).

A Victory pair of Robot Heroes would be awesome. Surely Victory Sabre will come up against Dezsarus... even Liokaiser seems a little unlikely to be (and there isn't really anyone else who would naturally oppose him).

FFN
16th July 2008, 07:18 PM
Victory Saber Vs Deathsaurus.

Deathsaurus is the only Victory character that Hasbro ever trademarked the name of (back for BotCon 2005), I believe. Plus it would be appropriate.


Friggin' ripping! They're making a Scourge to round out the big3 post TFTM! :D :D :D

But... the scale is gonna suck major... Looks like I may have to use Energon Galvatron as the leader as this ragtag bunch. The worst part is Galvatron is the smallest. At least in G1, Galvatron was still the tallest of the bunch... :rolleyes: They said they would also do toys for other generations of TF for the 25th, so it might also be RID Scourge, which Ultra class would be appropriate for.

Look at it this way: Hasbro already admitted with the higher ups pushing Universe as a Movie style realistic vehicle line, they had to 'sneak in' the G2 and Beast Wars designs. I would think that G1 Scourge, especially at Ultra class, would be something that wouldn't get past whatever approval process they have.

STL
16th July 2008, 09:41 PM
Victory Saber Vs Deathsaurus.

Deathsaurus is the only Victory character that Hasbro ever trademarked the name of (back for BotCon 2005), I believe. Plus it would be appropriate.



Ah, yes, that makes sense now.
:o I need to watch Victory



They said they would also do toys for other generations of TF for the 25th, so it might also be RID Scourge, which Ultra class would be appropriate for.

Look at it this way: Hasbro already admitted with the higher ups pushing Universe as a Movie style realistic vehicle line, they had to 'sneak in' the G2 and Beast Wars designs. I would think that G1 Scourge, especially at Ultra class, would be something that wouldn't get past whatever approval process they have.

Hrm... it would seem strange given that they've called all the Scourge/Prime repaints Nemesis Prime since. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

FFN
16th July 2008, 10:18 PM
They could always redesign G1 Scourge, but while Cyclonus gets away with being a fighter jet, G1 Galvatron's laser howitzer mode is thematically similar to tank, I'm not sure what a flying space boat could be turned into that's both realistic yet retains the feel of G1 Scourge's vehicle mode... of a space boat.

STL
16th July 2008, 10:28 PM
They could always redesign G1 Scourge, but while Cyclonus gets away with being a fighter jet, G1 Galvatron's laser howitzer mode is thematically similar to tank, I'm not sure what a flying space boat could be turned into that's both realistic yet retains the feel of G1 Scourge's vehicle mode... of a space boat.

I dunno, space shuttle? Rocket? Hovercraft?

Pulse
16th July 2008, 10:33 PM
How about re-designing Titanium Scourge into a better figure? :)

MV75
16th July 2008, 10:54 PM
They could always redesign G1 Scourge, but while Cyclonus gets away with being a fighter jet, G1 Galvatron's laser howitzer mode is thematically similar to tank, I'm not sure what a flying space boat could be turned into that's both realistic yet retains the feel of G1 Scourge's vehicle mode... of a space boat.


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