Upcoming Generations Figures 2013-2014

[Hursticon]

Here are some Official Stock Photos:
(Courtesy of TFW2005.com (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/transformers-generations-deluxe-botcon-2013-reveals-177887/))


Deluxe Generations - Waspinator

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Deluxe Generations - G2 Dreadwing

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Deluxe Generations - Goldbug

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Deluxe Generations - Skids

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Legends Generations - Cosmos & Payload

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Legends Generations - Swerve & Flanker

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Voyager Generations - Rhinox! :D

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Voyager Generations - Doubledealer

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Show Floor case photos courtesy of @Cooksux (https://twitter.com/CookSux):

Deluxe Generations - Skids

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Deluxe Generations - Waspinator

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Legends Generations - Swerve & Cosmos

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Voyager Generations - Rhinox!

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[Firestorm]

Verno! we got our wish :D

Voyager Rhinox!!! He looks GLORIOUS!!
so does that deluxe waspinator. both look so great!

I can die happy now :D

Skids, Swerve and Cosmos look really cool too,
the rest are ok

Skids looks a lot better in person (photo) than the stock art
also it looks like Rhinox's chainguns of doom can spin when you push a button on them

[Hursticon]

Verno! we got our wish :D

Voyager Rhinox!!! He looks GLORIOUS!!
so does that deluxe waspinator. both look so great!

I couldn't concur more, very happy morning indeed. ;):)

[Hursticon]

A whole WHACK of in-case photos have just been thrown up on TFW2005.com (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/botcon-2013-saturday-hasbro-case-pictures-generations-2014-177895/). :)

[Trent]

Rhinox will be mine. Oh yes, he will be mine. :D

Wow they look good. Cosmos looks to even improved upon the iGear figure.

Colour me impressed.

[1AZRAEL1]

Holy good gravy!!! Must own them all. Fans have been calling for classics beast wars figures, and hasbro answered. They look great. Much better than dinobot and cheetor they did a few years back. I can't afford all this great merchandise dammit lol

[1AZRAEL1]

And woohoo new micromasters lol

[XMan]

I have wanted a Rhinox like this for so long!!

And Waspinator! :D

[Paulbot]

These reveals are so much better than I expected. Love the look of Rhinox, Skids and Swerve the most. Can't wait for those.

And though there's no photos yet, the MtMTE style Legion Tailgate and Voyager Whirl should be cool too. The legends Shrapnel (Sharpshot), with Reflector, and deluxes FOC Skywarp, Scoop - double-Targetmaster, and Armada Starscream all sound interesting too.

[Gouki]

These reveals are so much better than I expected. Love the look of Rhinox, Skids and Swerve the most. Can't wait for those.

And though there's no photos yet, the MtMTE style Legion Tailgate and Voyager Whirl should be cool too.

Voyager MTMTE Whirl? Really? I just came.

Seriously, this is a good list of figures, covering a whole bunch of different eras and characters. This is what a Generations line should be.

[Sky Shadow]

Gears is truly the most maligned 1984 Transformer. His 1986 retool continues to get more (and more) releases than Gears. Heck, it took him twenty years to be released in Japan. That dude has a lot to be grumpy about. (Swerve and Rhinox win the reveals.)

[Verno]

There are no words, emoticons, nor excessive use of capitals or exclamation marks that can truly convey my emotions at this point.

Hasbro, thank you.

[Barrel05]

Wow just wow! Hasbro has really lifted their game

[Bartrim]

Lovin Skids and Swerve.

[Barrel05]

These reveals are so much better than I expected. Love the look of Rhinox, Skids and Swerve the most. Can't wait for those.

And though there's no photos yet, the MtMTE style Legion Tailgate and Voyager Whirl should be cool too. The legends Shrapnel (Sharpshot), with Reflector, and deluxes FOC Skywarp, Scoop - double-Targetmaster, and Armada Starscream all sound interesting too.

Any pics?

[Stug]

Love Skids, Swerve and Cosmos - will be chasing them down. I was also thinking I hope the propensity to retool and recolour means at least there's finally a Gears down the track!! :D

[kup]

Fantastic reveals! Looks like Hasbro is finally listening and opening their eyes to what people want!

That Rhinox is awesome and so are several of those toys. The only so so toy is Doubledealer due to the forced tribute but more so the very poor Blitzwing mold.

Aside from Doubledealer, all those toys are good enough to justify Tomy releases with nicer paint jobs. I am sure Tomy would paint Rhinox's chain guns of doom accurately.

[Barrel05]

tfsource.com has some deluxe Swerves don't know if i should get him now

[Barrel05]

Hmm who would the retool of Skids be?

[kup]

And though there's no photos yet, the MtMTE style Legion Tailgate and Voyager Whirl should be cool too. The legends Shrapnel (Sharpshot), with Reflector, and deluxes FOC Skywarp, Scoop - double-Targetmaster, and Armada Starscream all sound interesting too.

What' choo talkin' 'bout? :confused:

[Firestorm]

Hmm who would the retool of Skids be?

Screech Perhaps? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Screech_(Generations)

[Sky Shadow]

Or Crosscut. But they could make him pretty much anyone with a car mode.

[Paulbot]

What' choo talkin' 'bout? :confused:

Not everything has official photos (or any photos) released. Here's a link to the list of everything what was revealed at the panel

http://www.fullmetalhero.com/t13189/

[Shirokaze]

OH. MY. GOSH. Waspinator AND Rhinox!!! Words cannot express all the happy going on right now. At this point I wouldn't care if everything else they announced was a repaint of Bumblebee, I was still be ecstatic, but then there's so many other amazing announcements as well!! Hasbro, you have outdone yourself!:D

[kup]

Not everything has official photos (or any photos) released. Here's a link to the list of everything what was revealed at the panel

http://www.fullmetalhero.com/t13189/

Sweet! Thanks :)

We can finally be excited for a line of official toys! Yeah! :)

[Tallestblue]

Rhinox and Waspinator are beautiful. Just...I have no words for the joy I have at seeing them. And look at the More Than Meets The Eye love Generations is giving!

[doublespy]

Thank you Hasbro... Rhinox and waspinator will be preordered on sight!
That glorious show accuracy.. Minor pick though rhinox's a little on the skinny side and the chain guns of doom look too small

[gdmetro]

Holy .....

Man swerve and cosmos look great..

Waspinator and rhinox!!!! Those two look so good. I only hope there are more beasts to come...

[nexusnixx]

Waspinator and rhinox are seriously great looking!!! Been watching beast wars recently and interest grows more!!

[SuspectimusPrime]

So glad to see that they're putting good money back into Generations, and from the looks of the upcoming Beast Hunters line, they must have gone all-in with Generations!

I'm really impressed that they've invested so much into the Beast Wars moulds, considering that it's unlikely that they will get to do another repaint with either unless you count the Fox Kids editions.

Doubledealer - if I am only allowed 3 acquisitions from this lot it will have to be him! That colour scheme works so well for me!

[Verno]

Minor pick though rhinox's a little on the skinny side and the chain guns of doom look too small

I think it all comes down to where the guns are stored and having adequate room. I'd rather him have two (perhaps) smaller ones than one big one.


I'm really impressed that they've invested so much into the Beast Wars moulds, considering that it's unlikely that they will get to do another repaint with either unless you count the Fox Kids editions.

That's a very good point. It's a big investment by Hasbro with little chance of repaints to recoup costs. Maybe they are confident they'll sell really well (which I'm confident they will).

[Bidoofdude]

I need ALL of those, besides Dreadwing and Doubledealer. :cool:

Rhinox and Waspinator stand out. :eek: Nearly exact to their models! ;)

[Lord_Zed]

Skids and Rhinox look awesome, though I reckon the Taktomy colour scheme's will be better. I like the legends too, I like the semi IDW style they are going for.

I'd like to like Double Dealer, but they need to fix the mold, and I still would have preffered Flywheels.

The other repaints are as expected, reasonably clever.

[panterali]

igear will be nervous after seeing the release

[Bidoofdude]

Here's hoping we get all of them here too. Shrapnel and little Reflector sounds pretty cool too.

I absolutely need:
Rhinox
Waspinator
Goldfire
Skids
Cosmos
Shrapnel
Swerve
Skywarp

[doublespy]

So glad to see that they're putting good money back into Generations, and from the looks of the upcoming Beast Hunters line, they must have gone all-in with Generations!

I'm really impressed that they've invested so much into the Beast Wars moulds, considering that it's unlikely that they will get to do another repaint with either unless you count the Fox Kids editions.
!

Apparently the money went into the paint jobs on those upscaled cyberverse. They do look nice though but to me it's a huge step back...

Agree. These two are pure fan service as Kids these days would have less of a clue who they are than the G1 homages.

[orionpax1]

Really looking forward to everything and boy is my bank account going to feel it.

[Lordy]

I absolutely want Skids and Swerve. Depending on what Whirl looks like, probably add that in as well

[VERT]

Rhinox and Waspinator!!!!!! :eek: Skids! Yeah! :D:D

[Verno]

Griff tells us (from his reporting) that Rhinox's ears and mouth move. So Hasbro is continuing on with some kind of gimmick in each new BW mold. It was to the detriment of Classics Cheetor, but it doesn't seem to affect Rhinox (nor Waspinator with his flapping wings) from what we can see.

Come on 2014!

[MayzaPrime]

What an awesome line-up for 2014... Well done Hasbro for giving us a 30th Anniversary figures that we have been wanting for a long time.

I will be buying every one of those figures. I am very keen to get Waspinator and Rhinox.

[Verno]

Can anyone give me a rough idea of size, as it's been a while since I bought a Transformers toy :p

Rhinox is a Voyager and Waspinator is a Deluxe. Deluxes I'm familiar with - unless they've changed since the original BW days. But what is a Voyager? Are they akin to a Mega or Ultra from the old days?

And what sort of price are we looking at for these respective size classes?

[ILikeSoundwave]

More great toys that we probably won't be seeing here:(

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Rhinox AND Waspinator? Aww yeah.

So much for budgeting next year.

[swoop]

Sweet! Thanks :)

We can finally be excited for a line of official toys! Yeah! :)

I was already excited by some of the beast hunters line, the masterpiece line and the platinum line

[BigTransformerTrev]

Gots to get me Skids, Swerve & Cosmos! Boosh!

Waspinator & Doubledealer - probably. A shame they didn't make the retool of Blitzwing into Flywheels but I suppose Doubledealer is a more popular character.

Rhinox - meh. Never been a fan of organic looking Transformers. Why I totally skipped the G1 Pretenders and 99.9% of the Beast Wars toys. Can prob make an exception for Waspinator. I'll grab Rhinox if they retool him as a metallic Headstrong

[Starscream77]

Good to see everyone excited about a line again
Except for the BW ones I will get all of these!

Don't get me wrong though I am excited for Verno, Hursti etc for BWs but I have just never watched it

[Meangreen]

Can anyone give me a rough idea of size, as it's been a while since I bought a Transformers toy :p

Rhinox is a Voyager and Waspinator is a Deluxe. Deluxes I'm familiar with - unless they've changed since the original BW days. But what is a Voyager? Are they akin to a Mega or Ultra from the old days?

I always understood that when Voyager and Leader were introduced they were slightly larger than the Mega and Ultra at that time. I think today though most of the size difference between Mega and Voyager has been eroded. There's still a gap between Ultra and Leader though.

Also, Man I'm excited to be getting some great looking Beast Wars updates. I love the new minibots/legends too. Not so jazzed about the comic styled stuff, they just seem very bland to me.

[liegeprime]

:pAwesome figures!! All will be bought heheheh. Isnt it weird that when Archer finally leaves Hasbro these figures which fans are clamouring for start cropping out? Wonder if these were all under way... coz it took really a loooooooong time for Hasbro to come up with them when it's all the obvious figures people( collectors that is) have been harping about ages now?

Meh whatever, Doubledealer huh? didn't see that one coming for a retool to that mold.... the obvious would've been Battletrap, but I want him to retain the 2 vehicle, one mind gimmick so I guess it's ok as I want a good new mold for that figure.

Now all we need is a Generations Blackarachnia, Airazor, and the rest of the gang that appeared in the show. NO need for figures that didn't get to appear in the animation.

Skids completes the Autobot line up, yes! Here I thought they've killed him off into obscurity again. I like the look of Swerve, so IDW like, now we need Tailgate too and a proper official Arcee.

[Defcon]

Skids, Cosmos, Swerve are all awesome. Swerve has repaint potential. Beast wars molds are refreshing. Waspinator looks cool. Dreadwind and Goldfire are passable. The Repaint of Blitzwing into Doubledealer, well I guess Flywheels would of seemed to fit, but not as popular. Well he looks like he would make a stand in for Overlord, the colours are similar and the head as well. Ill probably pick him up for this reason.

[i_amtrunks]

MtMtE inspired G1 characters and two of the best BW toys all at once?

Hasbro you clever buggers. You'll be taking a fair whack of my money over the next 18 months and be welcome to it. I even like the Doubledealer repaint of Blitzwing.

Like many others, I hope these get a general releases here, otherwise rk or similar will be seeing my money instead. I foresee Rhinox being one of the tower ones to make sure I get my hands on, such an iconic character and such a great looking toy.

[AJ_Prime]

I never really got into Beast Wars, watched a few eps but it didn't really do it for me. Might go back to it one day. I usually don't like organic type transformers either, but having said that both Rhinox and Waspinator from this line both look like marvels of engineering and I'd be very interested in adding them to the collection. If they make more BW figures (which they probably will), and if they are done as well as these two appear to be, then I may have to start going for them...

[Trailer Park Ninja]

Holy crap! Loving these, even may end up getting Waspinator and I don't like Beast Wars figures.

[GoktimusPrime]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/shutuptakemoney.jpg
I really hope Hasbro Australia releases these babies here!!

I hope Hasbro fixes the issues with Blitzwing's shoulders on Doubledealer, otherwise I'm passing that one up unless it gets a local release and I find it on sale. (-_-)


I'm really impressed that they've invested so much into the Beast Wars moulds, considering that it's unlikely that they will get to do another repaint with either unless you count the Fox Kids editions.
They could easily repaint/retool Waspinator as Buzz Saw (wouldn't surprise me if they've already designed the alternate head). Rhinox doesn't have any immediately obvious redeco potentials I can think of -- but I'm sure Hasbro can think something up. I would never have thought that Blitzwing could be done as Doubledealer either. :o Perhaps they could repaint him as a new Maximal called Landmine (http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/4/44/Cybertron_Landmine_toy.jpg) (see what I did there (http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/a/a9/Botcon_Rhinox_toy.jpg)? ;))


Can anyone give me a rough idea of size, as it's been a while since I bought a Transformers toy :p

Rhinox is a Voyager and Waspinator is a Deluxe. Deluxes I'm familiar with - unless they've changed since the original BW days. But what is a Voyager? Are they akin to a Mega or Ultra from the old days?

And what sort of price are we looking at for these respective size classes?
Voyager is pretty much what a Mega was in BW. In terms of prices, at standard RRP you're looking at about $30 for a Deluxe and $50 for a Voyager. We haven't seen Ultras for some time, but they cost $70 now.

[kup]

I was already excited by some of the beast hunters line, the masterpiece line and the platinum line

Masterpiece, yeah. The rest meh. :)

I particularly excited about Rhinox, Waspinator and the IDW inspired toys. The molds also look exceptionally good unlike the FOC stuff.

Certainly worth paying the premium for the Tomy releases with nicer paint jobs. It would be cool if they do Rhinox with metallic green paint like the show.

[1orion2many]

At last more Beast Wars love for me to buy and add to my collection, Inferno and Silverbolt would be some nice figures to retool, Maybe even Tigatron to show how a cat TF should be done:D

[i_amtrunks]

Rhinox could always be recommissioned as headstrong or even Cybertron/Galaxy Force Backstop/Saidos... :D

I'd actually love for the Waspinator figure to be reprinted in all the G1 seeker colours, but that's most likely just me.

[kup]

Emiliano has just updated his blog. He was the designer for Rhinox, Waspinator, Cosmos and Skyhigh.

http://santalux.blogspot.it/2013/06/waspinator-rhinox-and-cosmos.html

[Ravagecat]

Rhinox and Waspinator are definitely looking good...I hope they are planning on doing more...Air-razor and Blackarachnia would be nice (we could do with some cartoon/comic accurate fembots IMO) Skids and Dreadwing are looking good to me too...can't wait till these start getting released :D

[SuspectimusPrime]

They could easily repaint/retool Waspinator as Buzz Saw (wouldn't surprise me if they've already designed the alternate head). Rhinox doesn't have any immediately obvious redeco potentials I can think of -- but I'm sure Hasbro can think something up. I would never have thought that Blitzwing could be done as Doubledealer either. :o Perhaps they could repaint him as a new Maximal called Landmine (http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/4/44/Cybertron_Landmine_toy.jpg) (see what I did there (http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/a/a9/Botcon_Rhinox_toy.jpg)? ;))


I was never sold by Buzz Saw or Laserbeak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserbeak) for that matter. However if this new mould is nice enough, I could buy into that (for that same reason, I find it hard to buy into Thundercracker despite really liking the character).

A bit off topic now, but I can't wait to have Deluxe Waspinator armed with Targetmaster Waspinator! :eek: *mind blown* :eek:

[Verno]

The future of BW homages will be interesting.

Unlike G1 (which had a cast of thousands and each of whom got either into the TV show or Comics [or both] at some point), Beast Wars had a cast of about 20 characters - IE, those that appeared in the TV show.

Repainting the Waspinator mold into Buzz Saw (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Buzz_Saw) would be easy enough, but there is little point in my opinion.

Masterpiece and Generations lines in the past have had iconic G1 characters -- characters that people grew up watching and reading. These lines appeal to people that were G1 fans when they were kids and are now being enticed back in with new iterations of their favourite characters.

But Buzz Saw wasn't in the BW TV show, so a repaint such as he is unlikely to entice anyone back in.

Also, G1 had similar models for multiple characters. The Seekers are a perfect example, as are Sideswipe and Sunstreaker. So repaints are easy and more readily accepted. Beast Wars didn't have that. Cheetor/Tigatron and Tarantulas/Blackarachnia were as close as we got, but there would be outrage if Hasbro (in this day and age) tried to simply repaint a Tarantulas toy into Blackarachnia. Their models are too different, albeit both being spiders.

Some are saying that Rhinox could be repainted into his Predacons version as seen in the episode 'Dark Designs', but that is a reference to such a fleeting (and non-important in the scheme of things) event in BW that it's again pointless.

The reproduction of old BW characters like Wolfang or B'Boom into new bodies, while being welcomes by a fan like myself, wouldn't bring about the sense of nostalgia and memory for people that were fans of BW all those years ago. Sure they appeared in the Comics, but really only long-standing BW fans bought them anyway.

Hasbro, if they do wish to produce more BW toys, should concentrate on the main BW cast from the show, and avoid repainting them all together. The rest of the Generations line (the G1/2 bots) will allow for enough repaints to help line their pockets. Leave the Beast Wars guys out of it.

[GoktimusPrime]

You're assuming that all BW fans are exclusively fans of the show, but this isn't true for everyone. Many of us are also fans of the toyline - remember that the toys did come first (oh the interesting 'continuities' I used to create with the toys before the show came out! :D). Remember that the toys already boast impressive sales - becoming the 3rd best selling boys' toy within its first year. A lot of G1 characters are still popular with fans even if they never appeared in the G1 cartoon, e.g. Whirl, Roadbuster, Top Spin, Twin Twist, Deluxe Insecticons etc. Yes, many of those characters did appear in the G1 comics, and Buzz Saw did appear in the BW comics too.

And keep in mind that a redeco is a low-investment cost for Hasbro since they've already developed the mould for Waspinator. They'd just be trying to milk more money out of that mould.



Hasbro, if they do wish to produce more BW toys, should concentrate on the main BW cast from the show, and avoid repainting them all together. The rest of the Generations line (the G1/2 bots) will allow for enough repaints to help line their pockets. Leave the Beast Wars guys out of it.
It's not done just out of greed -- repaints help to keep the cost of toys down. If Hasbro don't do repaints, then the cost of toys would go up. Redecos help Hasbro to milk more money out of the same mould which goes to offset the cost of R&D in developing these moulds. Also you have retailers like Wal*Mart demanding new product from Hasbro all the time, and redecos are a cheap and easy way to satiate that retailer demand without expending more money on R&D new moulds all the time (which would further drive up costs). Redecos are a "necessary evil" unless you're prepared to pay $50 for a Deluxe.

And I'll take Waspinator redecoed as Buzz Saw any day over another random repaint of Bumblebee! Heck, I wouldn't even mind seeing Waspinator redecoed with a G1 Bumblebee style head and called "Bumblebee" (seriously, it's a name that totally suits Beast Wars, and if they ever did Generations K-9/Wolfang, I'd like to see a redeco called "Hound" -- I've heard that Hasbro had lost the rights to those names at the time that BW came out which is why they didn't use them).

[Verno]

You're assuming that all BW fans are exclusively fans of the show, but this isn't true for everyone. Many of us are also fans of the toyline - remember that the toys did come first (oh the interesting 'continuities' I used to create with the toys before the show came out! :D).

But I'm not talking about long-standing Fans -- I'm talking about guys my age (27) and a couple of years younger who loved watching Beast Wars as a kid and relate to characters like Dinobot and Rattrap. They were fans of the show, but didn't carry their interest forward into the following iterations of Transformers.

I've met many people who remember Beast Wars because of the show. And because of the show they bought the occasional toy, which were usually show characters.

If Hasbro is to capitalise on the nostalgia of these (now) mid-20-year-olds (as they have done with these Generations lines for the G1 fans), they have to produce the characters from the show, not guys from the Comics of 2006-07 or background characters from the initial toyline.


A lot of G1 characters are still popular with fans even if they never appeared in the G1 cartoon, e.g. Whirl, Roadbuster, Top Spin, Twin Twist, Deluxe Insecticons etc. Yes, many of those characters did appear in the G1 comics, and Buzz Saw did appear in the BW comics too.

But G1 had the TV show and Comics running simultaneously. Beast Wars was just the show. The comics came a decade later and were targeted squarely at the older fans. Sure, it used the depth of characters that weren't featured in the show, but it still focused on a select few characters - Razorbeast, Snarl etc. Even this isn't enough to warrant pouring money into new toys of them.


And keep in mind that a redeco is a low-investment cost for Hasbro since they've already developed the mould for Waspinator. They'd just be trying to milk more money out of that mould.

It's not done just out of greed -- repaints help to keep the cost of toys down. If Hasbro don't do repaints, then the cost of toys would go up. Redecos help Hasbro to milk more money out of the same mould which goes to offset the cost of R&D in developing these moulds. Also you have retailers like Wal*Mart demanding new product from Hasbro all the time, and redecos are a cheap and easy way to satiate that retailer demand without expending more money on R&D new moulds all the time (which would further drive up costs). Redecos are a "necessary evil" unless you're prepared to pay $50 for a Deluxe.

But the BW models don't lend themselves to being repainted like the G1 models do. You can't turn give a gorilla a quick splash of paint and call it a shark, but you can take G1 Prowl and turn him into Bluestreak or Smokescreen. G1 lends itself to repaints -- Beast Wars does not.


And I'll take Waspinator redecoed as Buzz Saw any day over another random repaint of Bumblebee! Heck, I wouldn't even mind seeing Waspinator redecoed with a G1 Bumblebee style head and called "Bumblebee" (seriously, it's a name that totally suits Beast Wars, and if they ever did Generations K-9/Wolfang, I'd like to see a redeco called "Hound" -- I've heard that Hasbro had lost the rights to those names at the time that BW came out which is why they didn't use them).

Don't tempt them, mate. Hasbro will pull that 'Bumblebee' trigger anytime they can. In fact, you're more likely to get a Bumblebee version than a Buzz Saw.

[griffin]

A small sample of my photos, for anyone who hasn't looked at the global fansites yet.
(the rest of my pics will be processed when I get home)

Rhinox & Doubledealer
http://www.toycollectors.com.au/z64.jpg

Goldfire (they lost the Goldbug name) & Skids
http://www.toycollectors.com.au/z65.jpg

Waspinator
http://www.toycollectors.com.au/z79.jpg

Swerve and Cosmos.
http://www.toycollectors.com.au/z80.jpg

Doubledealer & Rhinox
http://www.toycollectors.com.au/z81.jpg

[Bidoofdude]

Goldfire/Goldbug's blue looks very bright. :eek: Is it like that IRL?

[Verno]

You must have read my mind, Griff --a shot of Rhinox's back!

It looks like that entire back section is one big piece.

[griffin]

People have always asked in the past for views of the backs, especially the bigger toys, so made sure I got some if it were possible.

[Verno]

People have always asked in the past for views of the backs, especially the bigger toys, so made sure I got some if it were possible.

You're a marvel mate.

I've been trying to figure out just where all of his rhino hide goes when in robot mode. It seemingly vanishes into nothing!

[MayzaPrime]

I think Skids looks alot like the Transformers ride exclusive Evac.

[yoshi594]

Rhinox and waspinator are definite double purchases! (the double acts as a spare if the original breaks from overplaying lol).

The rest are nice as well.

[Cat]

You're assuming that all BW fans are exclusively fans of the show, but this isn't true for everyone. Many of us are also fans of the toyline - remember that the toys did come first (oh the interesting 'continuities' I used to create with the toys before the show came out! :D). Remember that the toys already boast impressive sales - becoming the 3rd best selling boys' toy within its first year. A lot of G1 characters are still popular with fans even if they never appeared in the G1 cartoon, e.g. Whirl, Roadbuster, Top Spin, Twin Twist, Deluxe Insecticons etc. Yes, many of those characters did appear in the G1 comics, and Buzz Saw did appear in the BW comics too.

And keep in mind that a redeco is a low-investment cost for Hasbro since they've already developed the mould for Waspinator. They'd just be trying to milk more money out of that mould.



It's not done just out of greed -- repaints help to keep the cost of toys down. If Hasbro don't do repaints, then the cost of toys would go up. Redecos help Hasbro to milk more money out of the same mould which goes to offset the cost of R&D in developing these moulds. Also you have retailers like Wal*Mart demanding new product from Hasbro all the time, and redecos are a cheap and easy way to satiate that retailer demand without expending more money on R&D new moulds all the time (which would further drive up costs). Redecos are a "necessary evil" unless you're prepared to pay $50 for a Deluxe.

And I'll take Waspinator redecoed as Buzz Saw any day over another random repaint of Bumblebee! Heck, I wouldn't even mind seeing Waspinator redecoed with a G1 Bumblebee style head and called "Bumblebee" (seriously, it's a name that totally suits Beast Wars, and if they ever did Generations K-9/Wolfang, I'd like to see a redeco called "Hound" -- I've heard that Hasbro had lost the rights to those names at the time that BW came out which is why they didn't use them).

They couldn't/can't do a yellow bee and name it Bumblebee, or a dog named Hound. It's too generic, so isn't covered. I've read theories that that is what made them pass over the names, and then that's what lead to Bumblebee being snapped up by another company.

A yellow car named Bumblebee = fine.
A yellow bee named Bumblebee is not protected, as that's a common term for it.

It makes a lot of sense.

[Quickstrike]

I reeeeally wish they had given Doubledealer a bird mode. Just make the wings feathery looking and make the nose cone/cockpit part into a bird head. It would've been great!

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

You must have read my mind, Griff --a shot of Rhinox's back!

It looks like that entire back section is one big piece.

Glad to see I am not the only one excited to see a rhinos arse!:D Thanks Griff.

That Rhinox just looks better and better.

I agree there Quickstrike. Some feathers, or something to differentiate him a little more. Like a %&#($^ huge missile would make him a lot more shmexy

[doublespy]

That is a very anatomically correct rhinoceros there.:D

[Autocon]

May have to purchase my first tfs in years!!:eek:

Do we know how taktom will paint these?

Rhinox and waspy cant wait to get them:cool::D

[King Atlas]

Awesome!! But i'll wait for TT version of Rhinox and Waspy :cool:

[1AZRAEL1]

Surely they've just misstransformed cosmos and his head pops down inside the ufo? And doubledealer has his turret in a precarious place in robot mode...

Thanks griff, makes me want these figures more. I'm actually excited to buy more transformers.

[GoktimusPrime]

They couldn't/can't do a yellow bee and name it Bumblebee, or a dog named Hound. It's too generic, so isn't covered. I've read theories that that is what made them pass over the names, and then that's what lead to Bumblebee being snapped up by another company.

A yellow car named Bumblebee = fine.
A yellow bee named Bumblebee is not protected, as that's a common term for it.

It makes a lot of sense.
So how did they get away with using the name "Tarantulas"? Because that's an accepted plural for "tarantula."* Would simply pluralising the noun make it passable? Bumblebees and Hounds... hmmm... or maybe they could modify the spelling. They might not be able to have a toy iguana called Iguana, but they could call it "Iguanus." Maybe they could do "Bumbelbee"... not sure how they could modify Hound... Hownd looks dumb (though arguably not much worse than Bumbelbee or Grappel :rolleyes:). I wonder if they could get away with "Maximal Bumblebee" and "Maximal Hound"... that could be tricky... I know that Hasbro wasn't able to use "Autobot Jazz" with the Alternator version of Binaltech Meister, so the Alternator toy was also called "Meister" (IIRC it was because Alternators fell under the domain of being replica/model cars and not action figures, and they wouldn't allow a Mazda RX8 to be called Jazz at all since it would infringe on Honda's trademark).

Also... now that Doctor Who has become a revitalised franchise since BW came out, I wonder if Hasbro can still get away with using the name K-9. They might have to call him Kay-Nine... or just go with the original Latin "Canis." :)

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*Although some would argue that the proper plural should be "tarantulae," but English being the "ye wut-eva" random language that it is, "tarantulas" has become an accepted plural (much like how "octopus" can be pluralised as "octopi" or "octopuses"). Interestingly enough, this board's automatic spell check is telling me that "tarantulae" and "octopi" are wrong, but "tarantulas" and "octopuses" is correct, even though from a linguistic traditionalist POV it should be the other way around

[Zommael]

So how did they get away with using the name "Tarantulas"? Because that's an accepted plural for "tarantula."* Would simply pluralising the noun make it passable? Bumblebees and Hounds... hmmm... or maybe they could do the "Grappel" thing and make it Bumbelbee or Hownd. Okay, I'll admit that looks stupid (just as "Grappel" does). :p

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*Although some would argue that the proper plural should be "tarantulae," but English being the "ye wut-eva" random language that it is, "tarantulas" has become an accepted plural (much like how "octopus" can be pluralised as "octopi" or "octopuses"). Interestingly enough, this board's automatic spell check is telling me that "tarantulae" and "octopi" are wrong, but "tarantulas" and "octopuses" is correct, even though from a linguistic traditionalist POV it should be the other way around

Actually, the correct plural is "octopodes", as the origin of the word is Greek, not Latin.

[GoktimusPrime]

Actually, the correct plural is "octopodes", as the origin of the word is Greek, not Latin.
Octopodes is also another accepted English plural for "octopus"! :D As far as Latin is concerned, "octopodes" is used as the plural for octopus in the nominative, accusative and vocative plural, but "octopi" is the plural in the second and third declension. Octopi is more widely used in English because while the word is Greek in origin, it came to English via Latin.

[Bidoofdude]

Sent a message regarding what we will be getting in Australia, hopefully all of it to Hasbro. :cool:

[Sky Shadow]

Octopodes is also another accepted English plural for "octopus"! :D As far as Latin is concerned, "octopodes" is used as the plural for octopus in the nominative, accusative and vocative plural, but "octopi" is the plural in the second and third declension. Octopi is more widely used in English because while the word is Greek in origin, it came to English via Latin.

If it were a Latin word, octopus would be a third declension noun, and the plural is octopodes, based on the Greek ὀκτώποδες. It's not a second declension noun. In English, octopuses is the most correct plural. Octopi only exists as a result of mistaken construction, like saying the plural of virus is viri.

[Zommael]

If it were a Latin word, octopus would be a third declension noun, and the plural is octopodes, based on the Greek ὀκτώποδες. It's not a second declension noun. In English, octopuses is the most correct plural. Octopi only exists as a result of mistaken construction, like saying the plural of virus is viri.

To bring things back (vaguely) on topic:

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/05/r_tentakil002.jpg

[GoktimusPrime]

If it were a Latin word, octopus would be a third declension noun, and the plural is octopodes, based on the Greek ὀκτώποδες. It's not a second declension noun.
I sit corrected. :)


In English, octopuses is the most correct plural. Octopi only exists as a result of mistaken construction, like saying the plural of virus is viri.
Hypercorrected or not, they are all accepted plurals in English. I was personally taught to use "octopi" and "viri" in school. :o

[Sky Shadow]

Hypercorrected or not, they are all accepted plurals in English. I was personally taught to use "octopi" and "viri" in school. :o

Octopi is common. Viri is definitely wrong - it's not an English word.

If Octopunch, Tentakil, Scylla and Ikard (with his Takotank) had a massive fight, who would win? And which one should first be made into a Generations figure?

[Bartrim]

I reeeeally wish they had given Doubledealer a bird mode. Just make the wings feathery looking and make the nose cone/cockpit part into a bird head. It would've been great!

Yeah I agree. I want to get Doubledealer but I'm not overly sold... yet

[MayzaPrime]

Yeah I agree. I want to get Doubledealer but I'm not overly sold... yet
Hopefully they would have fixed up the problem with shoulders

[griffin]

I reeeeally wish they had given Doubledealer a bird mode. Just make the wings feathery looking and make the nose cone/cockpit part into a bird head. It would've been great!

They should have put some feather detailing on the wings, as they have the mouth painted on the jet nose... but maybe it came down to limited paint decos, as toys these days don't seem to have many paint-aps. If it were a BotCon toy it would have had feathers and bird head, but since they already did an overlord, we wouldn't have had another one.

[Paulbot]

But some jets actually have a mouth like that on them. I don't think many jets have feathers painted on though. :)

I'd rather the nose be plain myself so it didn't look at all like they were trying to homage his bird mode.

[Sky Shadow]

They should have put some feather detailing on the wings, as they have the mouth painted on the jet nose... but maybe it came down to limited paint decos, as toys these days don't seem to have many paint-aps. If it were a BotCon toy it would have had feathers and bird head, but since they already did an overlord, we wouldn't have had another one.

They didn't do a Doubledealer though... :confused:

[Raptormesh]

But some jets actually have a mouth like that on them. I don't think many jets have feathers painted on though. :)

I'd rather the nose be plain myself so it didn't look at all like they were trying to homage his bird mode.

http://i.imgur.com/hiE7R4H.jpg

:D

[ILikeSoundwave]

Not a beast wars fan myself but I am digging that Rhinox!

[UltraMarginal]

http://i.imgur.com/hiE7R4H.jpg

:D

that's a fairly exclusive paint job I think...:cool:

[Zommael]

Octopi is common. Viri is definitely wrong - it's not an English word.

If Octopunch, Tentakil, Scylla and Ikard (with his Takotank) had a massive fight, who would win? And which one should first be made into a Generations figure?

Tentakil, but they have to keep his whacky bipedal squid alt mode. None of this realistic squid nonsense!

[griffin]

They didn't do a Doubledealer though... :confused:

I don't know why I was thinking Overlord... yes, it's Doubledealer, which is completely different. :o:confused:

[Cat]

So how did they get away with using the name "Tarantulas"? Because that's an accepted plural for "tarantula."* Would simply pluralising the noun make it passable? Bumblebees and Hounds... hmmm... or maybe they could modify the spelling. They might not be able to have a toy iguana called Iguana, but they could call it "Iguanus." Maybe they could do "Bumbelbee"... not sure how they could modify Hound... Hownd looks dumb (though arguably not much worse than Bumbelbee or Grappel :rolleyes:). I wonder if they could get away with "Maximal Bumblebee" and "Maximal Hound"... that could be tricky... I know that Hasbro wasn't able to use "Autobot Jazz" with the Alternator version of Binaltech Meister, so the Alternator toy was also called "Meister" (IIRC it was because Alternators fell under the domain of being replica/model cars and not action figures, and they wouldn't allow a Mazda RX8 to be called Jazz at all since it would infringe on Honda's trademark).

Also... now that Doctor Who has become a revitalised franchise since BW came out, I wonder if Hasbro can still get away with using the name K-9 They might have to call him Kay-Nine... or just go with the original Latin "Canis." :)

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*Although some would argue that the proper plural should be "tarantulae," but English being the "ye wut-eva" random language that it is, "tarantulas" has become an accepted plural (much like how "octopus" can be pluralised as "octopi" or "octopuses"). Interestingly enough, this board's automatic spell check is telling me that "tarantulae" and "octopi" are wrong, but "tarantulas" and "octopuses" is correct, even though from a linguistic traditionalist POV it should be the other way around

I don't know, to be honest. My gut instinct answer is simply that Tarantulas could have skated by due to lack of interest from other parties, and maybe the pluralisation played a teeny tiny part. That's just speculation, though.

It's just something I've seen mentioned quite a bit, by people who are more knowledgable about this stuff than me.

Could it be because a tarantula is a specific species of spider, while bumblebee and hound are often used as very generic, non-specific terms used for their respective animals these days?

The way it was explained to me (and I wish I could remember it exactly) was focused more on Bumblebee, as he seemed like the biggest ommission, really.

Kids call all bees 'bumblebees'.

They don't call all spiders 'tarantulas'. Potato, po-tah-to, and all that.

Maybe the pluralization did make a difference, but it would probably be a fairly negligible one, if at all.

Another factor is probably that more companies want to use the name 'Bumblebee' for their product/s than 'Tarantulas'. Maybe Tarantulas could have fallen easily too, but nobody else ever had any interest in it.

I know the depiction does matter though. Hence why a yellow bee named Bumblebee is a bad idea, but a car is okay. It's a MUCH stronger claim.

And remember, the Robot Heroes version was called Predacon Tarantulas, so odds are that yes, it's too generic to be defensible.

[Verno]

I showed my Girlfriend a picture of Generations Rhinox and she got the giggles. All she could see was the scene from Ace Ventura 2...

[Trent]

I showed my Girlfriend a picture of Generations Rhinox and she got the giggles. All she could see was the scene from Ace Ventura 2...

Gah!! Can't. Un. See.!!


:p

[Hursticon]

I showed my Girlfriend a picture of Generations Rhinox and she got the giggles. All she could see was the scene from Ace Ventura 2...


Gah!! Can't. Un. See.!!


:p

Hehe, funnily enough that has reminded me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArxtATpP4II). :p:D

[Trent]

Hehe, funnily enough that has reminded me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArxtATpP4II). :p:D

Fantastic!:D

[Mythirax]

These guys look fantastic, can't wait to get my hands on Cosmos & Payload!

[kup]

Are we getting Platinum edition FOC Grimlock vs Bruticus locally?

[tinyJazz]

Are we getting Platinum edition FOC Grimlock vs Bruticus locally?

Looks like it. (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=15909)

August at TRU.

[The_Damned]

Surely they've just misstransformed cosmos and his head pops down inside the ufo? And doubledealer has his turret in a precarious place in robot mode...

Thanks griff, makes me want these figures more. I'm actually excited to buy more transformers.

hopefully his head does pop down, has anyone seen it?

[Sinnertwin]

hopefully his head does pop down, has anyone seen it?

On the first page of this thread with all of the other images from Hasbro. The BotCon photo appears to be transformed incorrectly.

[Bidoofdude]

Looks like it. (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=15909)

August at TRU.

Emailed TRU about it a while back, they said it's being delayed to the end of the year, but I'm thinking it won't be.