Harmony Gold files lawsuit over SDCC Jetfire

[1AZRAEL1]

Harmony Gold seems quite unhappy with the SDCC crossover figure.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/harmony-gold-files-lawsuit-over-sdcc-2013-gi-joe-transformers-crossover-set/27979/

With this lawsuit, I think it buries any chance of a reissue Jetfire figure too :(

[drifand]

I hate Harmony Gold with a Passion. Never supported their products after what they did on Macross rights. Bunch of pricks.

[Trent]

I don't think there is a mecha fan on the planet that wouldn't like to see Harmony Gold crushed.

[Lint]

Harmony Gold haven't produced anything of note in more than a decade. They are just sitting on their 'IP's and are waiting to be bought out while causing as much heartache as possible. The fact that they haven't been bought out after all this time probably means that they are just asking for a ridiculous price.

[drifand]

They still have money for law suit?

I just so pissed off with how they went about this and wish the US laws could see they are not the original creators of Macross and designs are not their ownership.

[GoktimusPrime]

I just so pissed off with how they went about this and wish the US laws could see they are not the original creators of Macross and designs are not their ownership.
Harmony Gold own the rights to the Macross designs in the U.S.; it doesn't matter that they didn't create those designs. It's similar to how Hasbro owns the rights to the likenesses of all the original G1 Transformers, even though early G1 toys were made by other companies like Takara (re: Diaclone). If someone in a Hasbro market country were to counterfeit or use the likeness of an early G1 Transformer without Hasbro's consent, then Hasbro would be within their rights to take legal action against that party.

Here's an admittedly simplistic analogy: you didn't build your car. But you purchased your car and are its legal owner. If someone were to damage or steal your car, it would be you who would take legal action rather than the manufacturer.

Having said that, I do agree that the idea of just IP squatting is a bum-hat thing to do. :( Jetfire's always been a difficult toy in terms of legal issues though. The G1 cartoon/comic design had to look really different from the toy to avoid legal conflict with Harmony Gold, and the G1 Jetfire toy was never released in Japan since it would've meant a conflict between Takara and Takatoku Toys. The Classics/Henkei toy was a hybrid approximation between the original G1 Jetfire toy and the cartoon/comic model (which I reckon is a nice compromise).

But even if Hasbro were able to secure rights to the Jetfire design, all reissues are done by Takara(TOMY) first. Hasbro just brings them over after Takara does it. We've never seen Hasbro reissue a toy that Takara hasn't in the past 13 years. So IMHO the argument that Harmony Gold is somehow preventing a G1 reissue from possible is a fairly moot point since Takara would never have been able to do it regardless of who owns the rights to the designs outside of Japan.

[Jetfire in the sky]

I wonder if HG ever paid anything to Grumman. What a bunch of wankers.
I wish Tak/Tom would just do a Masterpiece Jetfire.

[GoktimusPrime]

I wish Tak/Tom would just do a Masterpiece Jetfire.
^This. :)

[drifand]

Yup would support it, should dump the Valkrie design, it belongs to macross and it wasn't what was shown in cartoons. A mp of this would be a fresh take on it.

If I recalled correctly his name was Skyfire not Jetfire?

Anywho, curse HG, will never buy their stuff.

[Ravagecat]

Expect the price of this set to go through the roof :rolleyes: Hope my lucky number comes up with FunPub ;)

[Sky Shadow]

If Harmony Gold can do this then FFS Hasbro and TakaraTomy need to get off their arses and do the same to every third party Transformer rip off and knockoff.

[Sinnertwin]

Yup would support it, should dump the Valkrie design, it belongs to macross and it wasn't what was shown in cartoons. A mp of this would be a fresh take on it.

If I recalled correctly his name was Skyfire not Jetfire?

Anywho, curse HG, will never buy their stuff.

Jetfire was the name of the toy and character in the western markets. As a result of the legalities between companies, Japan never received the toy and it wasn't able to be promoted directly on the show etc. Renaming him Skyfire and modifying his appearance in the cartoon was Hasbro's way of getting a big transforming white jet with red thrusters promoted to the masses without the legal hassles.

[drifand]

Well....I think is time they release the correct toy and name for it.
Is kind of sad really.

Was bad with the whole gun toy of Megatron in Australia, did you guys manage to get Megatron? as in G1 or mp version?

[Hursticon]

This'll likely just end up in an out of court settlement :rolleyes:; I would, however, like to see Hasbro Legal squash this flea of a company and in the process free-up the IP rights for someone who'll actually do something with it. :cool:

I don't want Hasbro "Acquiring" the rights to Robotech/Macross, as I don't think it's an IP that Hasbro really has room for in its stable or could really handle correctly - I think if the rights were to fall into Bandai of America's lap it'd be the best for every interested party. ;):)

[UltraMarginal]

If Harmony Gold can do this then FFS Hasbro and TakaraTomy need to get off their arses and do the same to every third party Transformer rip off and knockoff.

that's the difference between a license holder in the US against someone in the US, and a licence holder in the US against someone in japan/china/another country. as far as I understand international copyright is an entirely different kettle of fish and extremely expensive to follow up, especially if your not holding international copyright in a specific country.

[DELTAprime]

I've never heard of these guys before. I wonder why they never sued Hasbro over Classics Jetfire. Seems to me like if they have a problem with a GI Joe toy with a back pack in it they should have had a problem with Classics Jetfire also.


If Harmony Gold can do this then FFS Hasbro and TakaraTomy need to get off their arses and do the same to every third party Transformer rip off and knockoff.

Hasbro said several Bot-cons ago that they were going to bring the hammer down on the 3rd party guys like Fan Project. Nothing ever came of it.

[millhouse]

I've never heard of these guys before. I wonder why they never sued Hasbro over Classics Jetfire.

Apparently that was cleared, and apparently this was not.

Pretty big distinction.

Might simply be a Hasbro oversight, but its certainly possible that however hated Harmony Gold might be, they may also be in the right and required to protect their IP.

[reillyd]

Harmony gargles hairy balls.

I really hope I win the GI Joe lottery for the right to purchase. Looks like none will be going to hasbrotoyshop for sale then if they have to have a lucky draw

I have the first crossover with starscream, and that mold is just awesome.

[Trent]

If Harmony Gold can do this then FFS Hasbro and TakaraTomy need to get off their arses and do the same to every third party Transformer rip off and knockoff.

Nah. No one wants them to do that.



Well....I think is time they release the correct toy and name for it.
Is kind of sad really.

Was bad with the whole gun toy of Megatron in Australia, did you guys manage to get Megatron? as in G1 or mp version?

If you want a Megatron, MP or G1, it's actually very easy to get one in Australia. You can even do so legally for very little effort ;)

[Hursticon]

Nah. No one wants them to do that.

Agreed, that's just crazy talk. :D

[Quickstrike]

Harmony Gold are seriously the worst.


Harmony Gold own the rights to the Macross designs in the U.S.;

I'm pretty sure they don't, actually. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

I've heard of Harmony Gold, usually in relation to anger and the total lack of Robotech joy.

They sound like twats.

However it just seems odd that the toy got to the point of being produced in the first place. I think someone at Hasbro legal was asleep at the wheel.:eek:

[Raptormesh]

(post removed for being a bit too graphic and derogatory)

[Slag]

:eek::eek: ummm.... i'm never going to a park again...

[Magnus]

From just reading the posts on Seibertron's news article, I get the impression that the simplest solution would be for Hasbro to settle out of court.


I wish Tak/Tom would just do a Masterpiece Jetfire.

From a legal/intellectual property point of view, what's stopping Hasbro/TakaraTomy from making a new version of Skyfire? That design was created specifically to avoid resemblance to the Valkyrie.

[GoktimusPrime]

Renaming him Skyfire and modifying his appearance in the cartoon was Hasbro's way of getting a big transforming white jet with red thrusters promoted to the masses without the legal hassles.
That's never been confirmed. It's not really known why Sunbow decided to call Jetfire "Skyfire" in the G1 cartoon. Changing the character design alone was enough to evade legal issues with Harmony Gold -- they don't own the rights to the Jetfire name, only to the VF-1S Valkyrie design.
re: "Why Skyfire?" (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Skyfire_(G1)#Why_.22Skyfire.22.3F)


I've never heard of these guys before. I wonder why they never sued Hasbro over Classics Jetfire. Seems to me like if they have a problem with a GI Joe toy with a back pack in it they should have had a problem with Classics Jetfire also.
Because Classics Jetfire is not a Valkyrie VF-1S. HasTak very carefully (and cleverly) designed it as an hybrid between a VF-1S and the G1 cartoon/comic design of Jetfire/Skyfire. It bears a vague resemblance to those designs, but doesn't actually look like either one.


From a legal/intellectual property point of view, what's stopping Hasbro/TakaraTomy from making a new version of Skyfire? That design was created specifically to avoid resemblance to the Valkyrie.
I believe that was Jetfire_in_the_sky's point. :) Masterpiece is all about engineering G1 Transformers to look more like the cartoon, so an MP Skyfire (Jetfire was only ever called "Skyfire" in Japan) would definitely be based on the cartoon model, and not at all about emulating the toy.

[drifand]

Harmony Gold are seriously the worst.



I'm pretty sure they don't, actually. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Ur they do. They won the law suit against Macross Japan. This is why they are so bold to move against Hasbro.

But they also lost in Japan meaning they can't sell Harmony gold products in Japan.

I believe the Japanese felt they were being "played" and thus from now on Harmony Gold got jack shit, None of Macross 7 and all the frontier stuff.

On the note Hasbro and Takara work hand in hand so there isn't too much of these type of misunderstanding.
Because of Harmony gold's act, they ONLY can create stuff from the rights they got so in the end they are losers.

Reminds me of Samsung and Apple but both of them know they will loose business if they keep on suing each other.

Winners are the lawyers.

[drifand]

I believe that was Jetfire_in_the_sky's point. :) Masterpiece is all about engineering G1 Transformers to look more like the cartoon, so an MP Skyfire (Jetfire was only ever called "Skyfire" in Japan) would definitely be based on the cartoon model, and not at all about emulating the toy.[/QUOTE]

This would be +1 for me, I was totally confused when I first saw Jetfire as VF-1S Super Valk. And I really prefer this to be changed to the Jetfire/Skyfire
I know.

[Lord_Zed]

If Harmony Gold can do this then FFS Hasbro and TakaraTomy need to get off their arses and do the same to every third party Transformer rip off and knockoff.

But unlike Hasbro and Taktomy, lawsuits are harmony Gold's primary source of income. :p

[drifand]

pretty much because HArmony Gold had pissed the Japanese off to not give them anything else on their plate. So they have became a old rusty iron rod.
That law suit basically killed them of any new potential robotech stuff such as Macross Plus etc...

Hasbro and Takaras right move should be pull off the toy and redo to the correct jetfire. I know, is a lost but what can you do with such pricks?

[tinyJazz]

But unlike Hasbro and Taktomy, lawsuits are harmony Gold's primary source of income. :p

lol! Sounds about right.

"They allege that the SDCC exclusive toy has caused, and continues to cause, financial damage to their company."

I don't see how a limited convention exclusive is some kind of competition.:confused:

I think the worst part is this though:


"exemplary damages in an amount sufficient amount to punish and make a public example of Hasbro, and deter wrongful conduct in future".

Seriously? Just crush em, Hasbro.

[drifand]

Not just Hasbro, nor Takara, Plus Bandai as well.

HG will eventually die, being having 0 rights to all new Macross, 0 rights to all future Bandai especially no way Bandai will ever give them Gundam after what they did with Macross.

And I have maintain HG free products.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I wish Tak/Tom would just do a Masterpiece Jetfire.

I would LOVE that to be the next MP!!!

[drifand]

If loyalties is require to pay HG, I am not buying the toy either.

[Trent]

Not just Hasbro, nor Takara, Plus Bandai as well.

HG will eventually die, being having 0 rights to all new Macross, 0 rights to all future Bandai especially no way Bandai will ever give them Gundam after what they did with Macross.

And I have maintain HG free products.

You know HG are in the process of having a live action Robotech movie made right (http://www.geekexchange.com/live-action-robotech-movie-lands-director-70497.html)? If that does well they aren't going anywhere.

[gamblor916]

That movie has been in limbo for years. I'm struggling to remember when I first heard of it. Suffice to say it's not going to be made any time soon.

[drifand]

like said, they will die without the help of the Japanese. Is a mistake that they refuse to admit and it serves them right.

No news since 2007? so you have to wonder why. Do not forget Bandai is a very strong toy company. I believe they found out it was a can of worms trying to make this movie with the rights issue. Just as bad as Marvel on Avengers without Spiderman and Wolverine (but not as bad)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2906190/?ref_=sr_2

This? really? lol Nothing else on IMDB though which I rely heavily on any future development for any movie.

The can of worms would be toys that they want to sell to make money will not be in Japan

I think people realised it was far better to make Evangelion live movie than to try anything HG period.

[GoktimusPrime]

...suddenly michael bay doesn't seem so bad... :o

[drifand]

...suddenly michael bay doesn't seem so bad... :o

He actually did an ok job for general public, not to Fans.

I would think Harmony Gold will really need to step aside differences and request Macross Japan for co-op in order to have a great success. But as far as I know Japan will not give rights away very lightly after the HG lesson.

[CBratron]

Hasbro ought to have enough spare cash to buy HG just to sack them.

[drifand]

Hasbro ought to have enough spare cash to buy HG just to sack them.

hard to say, they may still make the movie as I read on its just been delayed.
Leonardo Di C had interest playing the role. (just by googling)

[Trent]

hard to say, they may still make the movie as I read on its just been delayed.
Leonardo Di C had interest playing the role. (just by googling)

I've also heard Tobey McGuire has expressed interest in playing Rick Fokker. :rolleyes:

[drifand]

Isnt that Roy Folker and Rick Hunter? Oh whatever.....Then I guess HG will reboot the movie every 10 years.

[Raptormesh]

Any potential star wanting to act in their movies probably ran off after smelling HG's stink from 100 miles away. Pity that there are still Robotech fans that wouldn't hesitate at throwing money at them.

[Trent]

Isnt that Roy Folker and Rick Hunter? Oh whatever.....Then I guess HG will reboot the movie every 10 years.

Oops. Meant Rick Hunter. Brain stopped working. :o

[kup]

He actually did an ok job for general public, not to Fans.


Yep..

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/2228/transformersmyballs.jpg

[Lint]

Hasbro ought to have enough spare cash to buy HG just to sack them.

HG is a private company. The owners are not likely to sell for anywhere close to a fair price otherwise it would have been done already.

[drifand]

Sad thing is a lot of people will watch the movie and support it. Hell my wife already sold by Leonardo here. :(

[Sinnertwin]

Sad thing is a lot of people will watch the movie and support it. Hell my wife already sold by Leonardo here. :(

Don't deny it, so are you :p

[GoktimusPrime]

Shortpack has had a stab at HG (http://www.shortpacked.com/2013/comic/book-15/03-sdcc-2013/harmonygold/) ;)

[drifand]

Don't deny it, so are you :p

I don't mind the cast, what I do mind is HG's ethics. So what I normally will watch in Cinemas, I can rent this movie instead.

[drifand]

Well looks like 8 more years their license will run out in 2021. :)

[Raptormesh]

Well looks like 8 more years their license will run out in 2021. :)

Sweet, they would probably take 15 years to come out with a movie.

[drifand]

In honesty it can be sorted out if they humble themselves and decided to co-op and throw the selfish HG that they are now.

[Lint]

Shortpack has had a stab at HG (http://www.shortpacked.com/2013/comic/book-15/03-sdcc-2013/harmonygold/) ;)

Nice!

[Hursticon]

Nice!

Indeed! :D

[jazzcomp]

Did anyone here get a set of the SDCC Joe/transformer crossovers?

[DELTAprime]

Because Classics Jetfire is not a Valkyrie VF-1S. HasTak very carefully (and cleverly) designed it as an hybrid between a VF-1S and the G1 cartoon/comic design of Jetfire/Skyfire. It bears a vague resemblance to those designs, but doesn't actually look like either one.

A GI Joe Skystriker isn't a Valkyrie either, yet they are suing on one but not the other. They both look like Robotech jets.

[drifand]

Just say it was based on a F14 Tomcat, and see what HG will do.

[dirge]

Just say it was based on a F14 Tomcat, and see what HG will do.

Sue Grumman for IP infringement?

While they're at it they can try their hand at suing the US Navy & Iranian Air Force who were Grumman's F14 customers. See how that goes for them :D

[GoktimusPrime]

And then there's this (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-26/harmony-gold-founder/robotech-producer-sentenced-for-tax-fraud) :rolleyes:

[drifand]

but is he in prison? If he is surely some nut job is doing the movie for him to pay off debt. lol

[Sinnertwin]

but is he in prison? If he is surely some nut job is doing the movie for him to pay off debt. lol

No, I'm pretty sure he's suing his accountant... :p

[Zommael]

A GI Joe Skystriker isn't a Valkyrie either, yet they are suing on one but not the other. They both look like Robotech jets.

And I'd imagine that's exactly the sort of argument Hasbro's lawyers will be using. It's pretty much how IP law works.

[drifand]

Could just pick any toy collector and ask to differentiate which is a valk and which is Jetfire.

Probably you find out that it would piss HG more because some expert just starts saying that's not even a valkrie, that HG robotech. A valkrie is from Macross. lol

[Sky Shadow]

...suddenly michael bay doesn't seem so bad... :o

Harmony Gold bought the rights to rape our childhoods back in 1983. Thirty years later they still haven't bothered to do it, they just want the option of suing Michael Bay.

[griffin]

Playing devil's advocate for a second - the rocket boosters are unique to Robotech, which is an IP Harmony Gold currently have rights to in America. The jet on its own, wouldn't be, which is why they wouldn't have a claim over any F-14 toy, unless it was painted to replicate a Robotech veratech pattern. And probably why Hasbro (apparently) sought permission for the Classics homage of Jetfire to have the rocket boosters.

A MP "Skyfire" would be possible, based on the cartoon model, as the rocket booster was completely unique to Hasbro. It amazes me that after 28 years, Hasbro have never created one based on the cartoon, which they wouldn't have to pay any rights to.


EDIT - I was just trying to look for the fan-made one that was on display back in BotCon 2000-ish, which was fully transformable, and looked like the cartoon model, so is very do-able.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find it... but came across quite a lot of "erotic artwork" of Jetfire with Starscream, which I never realised there was such a significant interest in that pairing. (I've seen/heard of other popular pairings, but never those two)

[reillyd]

Unfortunately, I couldn't find it... but came across quite a lot of "erotic artwork" of Jetfire with Starscream, which I never realised there was such a significant interest in that pairing. (I've seen/heard of other popular pairings, but never those two)

See that's why you should never turn GoogleSafeSearch off ;P

[Paulbot]

EDIT - I was just trying to look for the fan-made one that was on display back in BotCon 2000-ish, which was fully transformable, and looked like the cartoon model, so is very do-able.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find it... but came across quite a lot of "erotic artwork" of Jetfire with Starscream, which I never realised there was such a significant interest in that pairing. (I've seen/heard of other popular pairings, but never those two)

I recall the custom you're talking about, and thought I might have a copy in my archives but no.

And the Skyfire and Starscream coupling makes perfect sense, afterall they explored the universe together, separated for millions of years, and on being reunited Skyfire trusted Starscream's word and joined him at his side as a Decepticon. ;)

[GoktimusPrime]

I thought that Classics Jetfire's boosters, combined with the design of the toy itself, was different enough that it wouldn't fall under being classified as an IP infringement. I can see that Hasbro's added small wings on the sides of the boosters which does make it a bit different from the original Valkyrie design, but the rest of the boosters look too similar, and probably combined with the Skystriker and Valkyrie both being based on the F14 Tomcat making it look even more similar. (-_-)

Some dude's custom MP Skyfire (http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/masterpiece-skyfire-t89475s50.php)

And another meme poking fun at HG (http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab340/Hordak/3e2201d6-687c-41b2-9494-c1e69615334a_zps7ba864d4.jpg) :rolleyes:

[Hursticon]

This is 3rd Party, but I thought it relevant ;):cool::

http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a409/Darkone666au/Webpics/TFCon-3rd-Party-Panel-007_137495582_zpseac01493.jpg


Revealed earlier today via TFCon 2013's 3rd Party Panel, by an as of yet unnamed group. :cool:
(Is Harmony Gold to now take on 3rd Party groups? :p:D)

[Sinnertwin]

^ Love that Not-Skyfire. Wow...



EDIT - I was just trying to look for the fan-made one that was on display back in BotCon 2000-ish, which was fully transformable, and looked like the cartoon model, so is very do-able.

Was it this one? BotCon 1996

http://www.reocities.com/starshdw/images/bc962.jpg
http://www.reocities.com/starshdw/images/bc963.jpg

[griffin]

Was it this one? BotCon 1996

http://www.reocities.com/starshdw/images/bc962.jpg
http://www.reocities.com/starshdw/images/bc963.jpg

It's possible. The one I saw was out of packaging, in both modes... and I think a photo board of its transformation. But there are certainly a few of them out there, as it appears to be simple enough to engineer.


This is 3rd Party, but I thought it relevant ;):cool:
(Is Harmony Gold to now take on 3rd Party groups? :p:D)

Why? It has to resemble the distinct designs they "own", and the Skyfire design and rocket booster is nothing like Robotech designs.

Hasbro on the other hand, has grounds to sue third-parties for profiteering off their character & toy designs, but cant because they are produced in China. (and it isn't worth the expense to sue the people in America that are selling them... based on what one of the Hasbro people at BotCon was saying about the situation)

[Hursticon]

Why? It has to resemble the distinct designs they "own", and the Skyfire design and rocket booster is nothing like Robotech designs.

Just a joke really, as what you said is exactly correct - Skyfire looks nothing at all like Jetfire. ;):)


Hasbro on the other hand, has grounds to sue third-parties for profiteering off their character & toy designs, but cant because they are produced in China. (and it isn't worth the expense to sue the people in America that are selling them... based on what one of the Hasbro people at BotCon was saying about the situation)

That is interesting to learn and somewhat not too surprising either. :cool:

[Trent]

Hasbro on the other hand, has grounds to sue third-parties for profiteering off their character & toy designs, but cant because they are produced in China. (and it isn't worth the expense to sue the people in America that are selling them... based on what one of the Hasbro people at BotCon was saying about the situation)

Can you elaborate further? It has always interested me all this 3P stuff.

[kup]

If Hasbro wants to be rid of 3rd parties then they should pick up their game and do what they do and at the same level and by that I don't mean complexity. Several 3rd party toys are no more complex than Hasbro toys, just more thoughtfully built and getting the 'fan' appeal right. They are a big corporation so the 'Can't do it' it's just them being too set in their ways to see beyond their tunnel vision business plan.

[CBratron]

If Hasbro wants to be rid of 3rd parties then they should pick up their game and do what they do and at the same level and by that I don't mean complexity. Several 3rd party toys are no more complex than Hasbro toys, just more thoughtfully built and getting the 'fan' appeal right. They are a big corporation so the 'Can't do it' it's just them being too set in their ways to see beyond their tunnel vision business plan.

Exactly. Pursuing legal avenues would just lose their fanbase. The ideal way to win is to making toys that the fans want at the same level of quality (or better) and at the cheaper price that their experience at production and logistics can provide.

[drifand]

Ditto, and don't be like stupid HG. Just produce good stuff and know your market.

[GoktimusPrime]

Exactly. Pursuing legal avenues would just lose their fanbase.
That's the mistake that Takara made 13 years ago which basically killed off BotCon Japan and seriously damaged relations between Takara and Japanese TF fans. Takara and key fans have worked hard to repair that relationship since; e.g. collaborating on eHobby exclusives, Binaltech et al. Characters like Tigertrack are a by product of this effort to rebuild burnt bridges, and it's thankfully worked for Takara.

But of course prevention would be better than cure and it'd be preferable for Hasbro to just not even go down that ugly path. I totally agree with what you guys are saying -- Hasbro would be much better off proactively combating third party toy manufacturers by just making the damn products themselves.

[Cat]

http://generalsjoes.com/2013/10/10/hasbro-and-harmony-gold-reportedly-settle-lawsuit-over-sdcc-exclusive-jetfire/

It's over.

[Trent]

http://generalsjoes.com/2013/10/10/hasbro-and-harmony-gold-reportedly-settle-lawsuit-over-sdcc-exclusive-jetfire/

It's over.

And thus Harmony-Gold makes money off their Robotech licence.

Until the next lawsuit. :rolleyes:

[kup]

http://generalsjoes.com/2013/10/10/hasbro-and-harmony-gold-reportedly-settle-lawsuit-over-sdcc-exclusive-jetfire/

It's over.

It's still means that Harmony Gold made money out of it for being a bitch. It just happened out of court.

They will be looking for a 'next time'.

[Zommael]

In the short term, it's easier for Hasbro to settle. In the longer term, it might have been better for them to let the case come to court, with counter-suit and dragging it out as much as possible. That way they could bring HG to the point of bankruptcy and get rid of the nuisance permanently. But maybe they didn't feel they were strong enough to win... this time.

[drifand]

Hasbro should have used this money and bring in mp cars. sigh......

can't wait for HG to expire their license.

[Trent]

Hasbro should have used this money and bring in mp cars. sigh......

can't wait for HG to expire their license.

I don't think it will expire. They are just doing enough each year to maintain it in the meantime they watch like hawks for potential lawsuits. :mad:

[drifand]

Harmony Gold licensed three different television anime series — The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, The Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber Mospeada — from Tatsunoko Productions in 1984. It combined the three series and marketed them in the United States and other countries under the name Robotech. Harmony Gold has since renewed its license with Tatsunoko for the three series multiple times, the most recent being in March 2008, which extends the license agreement for a renewal term through March 14, 2021.

I don't know to hate Tatsunoko for not doing the right thing or HG in this case.

[lancalot]

how about the newer one?.... like Macross frontier? do they have the rights to them as well..? cause i want an English dub of them!! lol

[Tober]

how about the newer one?.... like Macross frontier? do they have the rights to them as well..? cause i want an English dub of them!! lol

No, they only have the rights to SDF: Macross, Do You Remember Love?, and Flashback 2012. Plus their own copyrights, such as character names and fiction. As far as Macross goes anyway.

[drifand]

how about the newer one?.... like Macross frontier? do they have the rights to them as well..? cause i want an English dub of them!! lol

I never enjoy English dub. I prefer the Japanese language and English subs.

[lancalot]

I never enjoy English dub. I prefer the Japanese language and English subs.

i used to like it like that but now with glasses needed to read ...i just hate it ! plus all the dub now are very good , they getting better voice actor...

[drifand]

Would have to depends who does it I guess.

[Cat]

Set's back up for those with US/Canadian mates at the ready.