Movie SPOILER discussion (anything goes) [Archive] - Ozformers Transformers Club of Australia (otca.com.au)

griffin

17th February 2014, 09:28 PM

NOTE - this topic can be for any unrestrained discussion or speculation of the TF4 movie, like anything that has not been made official or public in a Trailer or Press release.

For example, toys at Toyfair (and the leaked Hasbro Database) giving us names, alt-modes and some possible plot spoilers (with the Kreo sets).

If you have something to speculate or guess about the movie, or something you noticed that you want to talk about openly, then this is your topic.
You have been properly warned... so no crying about it later. :p

And yes - there will be plot spoilers here, so if you are wanting to talk about something minor to do with the movie (like the characters), but don't want to find out what may or may not happen in the movie, don't read other people's posts that don't quote your thoughts.

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Looking over the toy fair pics, any first impressions of the characters?

Hound - an odd looking (organic) bearded face to this bot... chewing on a bullet in the character art.
His arms look like springy extender arms.

Drift looks very organic too, and is looking like he might be based a lot like the original Drift. (which could annoy fans who have spent the last few years trying to forget that he even existed :p )

The reason for the pterodactyl having two heads doesn't appear to be explained anywhere at the Toyfair... so maybe it's an important plot element in the movie?

Not a lot of Decepticons (toys or leaked names from the movie) so far.... so maybe all those Kreon Vehicons (9 in just 7 build sets) are a hint at them being the main opposing "cannon fodder" force in TF4?

From the toys, we have 5 Dinobot, 5 Autobots, but only 3 Decepticons. Even if the Dinobots aren't initially on the side of the Autobots in the Movie, there is still a very unbalanced robot cast... suggesting perhaps, a greater "evil" threat by the Humans?
But if that were true, I would have thought we'd get more toys of humans, like in the Kreo sets.

Toys that look to confirm cast characters...
5 Autobots - Optimus (in two forms), Bumblebee (in two forms), Hound, Crosshairs (green, car), Drift (blue, car)
5 Dinobots - Grimlock (T-Rex), Strafe (2 head pterodactyl), Slug (purple triceratops), Scorn (red spinosaur), Slash (blue raptor).
3 Decepticons - Galvatron (grey truck), Lockdown (black car), Stinger (red car)

There's a green ankylosaur in the Kreo sets, so there could be another one... or it could just be an extra that isn't in the movie (as there are five Construct-Bot Dinos that don't have any other toys).

BigTransformerTrev

17th February 2014, 10:02 PM

From the toys, we have 5 Dinobot, 5 Autobots, but only 3 Decepticons.

From my understanding Ratchet and Leadfoots alt-modes have been seen on set. And Cyclonus has been confirmed (sorta) as a Decepticon who will make an appearance. Gotta remember that Dino never really saw a toy for besides a tiny one that got released ages after the flick yet was in TF3 so just because they don't have a toy yet doesn't mean they are not in the movie.

Mythirax

18th February 2014, 04:49 PM

I have a few images (with possible spoilers), from the trailer I want to post. Is that allowed? And main reason of this post. I know how to use most forum options, but I'm unsure how to resize large images in the post. So people can click them and they become bigger / take you to a new link. I know we're using 3.8.5. So we probably don't support RESIZE bb code tag? Do we run any plugins that allow for such a thing? Just figured I'd check before I post an image around 2500x2500 etc.

M-bot

18th February 2014, 05:07 PM

Paulbot

18th February 2014, 05:25 PM

I just noticed a (potential) spoiler in the description of one of the characters in a Hasbro press release.

SPOILER ALERT

(Highlight text to see post)

Here's what they say for Grimlock Chomp and Stomp.

GRIMLOCK has different lights and sounds depending on whether he�s riding into battle with an AUTOBOT or a DECEPTICON. Figure comes with a non-converting Optimus Prime robot figure. Requires two AAA batteries (demo batteries included).

Now it could just be a toy action feature they've added in the design, that is completely independent of the movie plot. But I'm going to be really ticked off if Grimlock becomes the new Sentinel Prime Judas. That's not true to his character.

I saw that in a post about the toy the other day. I think it means there could be something in the movie like the cartoon episode "War of the Dinobots" where dimmer Dinobots get tricked (or forced) into working for the Decepticons. But that's just a guess.

Grimlock also defected and worked with Megatron in the Dreamwave comics. And he's rebellious in most continuities, so it's not exactly "not true to his character" for him to be on the opposite side of things to Prime some times.

It could also be a way to justify the huge price tag on a toy by making it work with all figures.

Mythirax

18th February 2014, 05:47 PM

There's an article on Seibertron.com (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-age-of-extinction-full-trailer-description-spoilers/29459/) with a description of the full trailer, which, providing it is accurate, would seem to spoil the bulk of the plot points. I don't remember the trailers of the other Bay films being quite so spoiler-y. I'm hoping the description is merely fan invention/speculation, otherwise, there's not likely to be many surprises left in the movie.

I read it before, but didn't post it due to sounding a but dodgy. The writing is pretty bad and looks very amateurish. And what makes me wonder is why they talk about "SLAG, SLUDGE, AND SNARL". A) I thought Slag couldn't be used, and B) I thought Sludge and Snarl were going to be some other form of dinosaurs and called something else? Unless I'm wrong about that bit of course.

griffin

18th February 2014, 05:51 PM

I think the press release gave a bigger spoiler than the Grimlock toy... which just sounds like a toy gimmick to me.
The Drift character is stated as (yet another) Autobot who was once a Decepticon... so could be a plot device in the movie, or maybe he's a double agent still working for the Decepticons.

For the first three movies, we basically had toys known of just about all the main robot characters from the preceding US Toyfair. And considering there are 8 or 9 different toy lines (regular and gimmick) this time, if there are more Decepticons in the 4th movie, I wonder if that means we aren't getting any (or many) toys for them. If so, it seems that each successive movie, we are getting more and more of the robot cast that are not being made as toys. :(

Mere movie merchandise I guess... :rolleyes:

I have a few images (with possible spoilers), from the trailer I want to post. Is that allowed? And main reason of this post. I know how to use most forum options, but I'm unsure how to resize large images in the post. So people can click them and they become bigger / take you to a new link. I know we're using 3.8.5. So we probably don't support RESIZE bb code tag? Do we run any plugins that allow for such a thing? Just figured I'd check before I post an image around 2500x2500 etc.

This is where you can post anything you want without fear of it being a spoiler... and then if it is news worthy or official, one of the staff can redirect it to a new or existing topic if it is deemed necessary.

DELTAprime

18th February 2014, 05:55 PM

The Drift character is stated as (yet another) Autobot who was once a Decepticon... so could be a plot device in the movie, or maybe he's a double agent still working for the Decepticons.

He's a former Decepticon in IDW also and he is not a double agent. He's no Dealer/Doubledealer.

griffin

18th February 2014, 05:56 PM

I read it before, but didn't post it due to sounding a but dodgy. The writing is pretty bad and looks very amateurish. And what makes me wonder is why they talk about "SLAG, SLUDGE, AND SNARL". A) I thought Slag couldn't be used, and B) I thought Sludge and Snarl were going to be some other form of dinosaurs and called something else? Unless I'm wrong about that bit of course.

Fans (or people familiar with the original Dinobots) who are yet to memorise the new names will probably refer to the new Dinobots by the names that they would have gotten, if there wasn't legal or Bay preferences involved.
Some of the global fansites even used the Gen1 names before the new toy names were verified.
Slug was being called Slag (name and form were similar)
Slash was being called Sludge (name was similar)
and Scorn was being called Snarl (form was similar being a spiny back dinosaur)

Mythirax

18th February 2014, 06:02 PM

This is where you can post anything you want without fear of it being a spoiler... and then if it is news worthy or official, one of the staff can redirect it to a new or existing topic if it is deemed necessary.

Was more referring to image size, as they will take up a lot of space. I was wondering if we had something like (Replacing [ with { etc for this post).

{IMG width ="50%"}URL{/IMG} or {RESIZE=500}{IMG}url{/IMG}{/RESIZE} Sorry for being off topic, I just don't want to flood the thread with giant images, as I know some people can get quite annoyed at it. But it would allow them to right click it etc and open it in a new window to see the true size.

Fans (or people familiar with the original Dinobots) who are yet to memorise the new names will probably refer to the new Dinobots by the names that they would have gotten, if there wasn't legal or Bay preferences involved.
Some of the global fansites even used the Gen1 names before the new toy names were verified.
Slug was being called Slag (name and form were similar)
Slash was being called Sludge (name was similar)
and Scorn was being called Snarl (form was similar being a spiny back dinosaur)

Back on topic. Are there any actual legal issues or bay preferences at the moment for the dinobots? As in are there actual things in place at the moment to physically replace the names, but keep the existing character? As I thought we might of had some entirely new dinobots which I thought was kind of odd.

griffin

18th February 2014, 06:03 PM

He's a former Decepticon in IDW also and he is not a double agent. He's no Dealer/Doubledealer.

I know it copies the IDW Drift being a former Decepticon, but in the Movie Universe we have had Wheelie, Jetfire and Brains defect... so unless we want it to get too predictable, someone has gotta start defecting for an ulterior motive.
Since Bay goes his own way with the Movie character profiles, why should Drift copy the IDW Drift (who stayed loyal to the Autobots).
Are there enough Drift fans to get upset if the Movie Drift turns out still being evil? :p

i_amtrunks

18th February 2014, 06:03 PM

He's a former Decepticon in IDW also and he is not a double agent. He's no Dealer/Doubledealer.

As we've already seen, who/ what a character has been in previous series means little to sweet nothing to their movie portrayal. I think characters are given names based on quirks, traits or a desire to maintain copyright.

Paulbot

18th February 2014, 06:04 PM

Wouldn't Drift be the character that only talks in Chinese? I'm sure I saw something about one of the robots would only talk in Chinese. And he's got a bit an old fashioned asian stereotype face going on. :(

For the first three movies, we basically had toys known of just about all the main robot characters from the preceding US Toyfair. And considering there are 8 or 9 different toy lines (regular and gimmick) this time, if there are more Decepticons in the 4th movie, I wonder if that means we aren't getting any (or many) toys for them. If so, it seems that each successive movie, we are getting more and more of the robot cast that are not being made as toys. :(

They did say there were holding off some of the movie toy reveals so there might be some more robot cast coming.

One thing that struck me with all the "cars on set" pics was that there wasn't any shots of air vehicles on set - which makes sense since they'd be likely added in with CGI later anyway!

But with the toys released so far, all of them are cars/trucks (and dinosaurs). And the teaser trailer didn't show any robots with flying alt modes, but did have some space ships. If there is a "Cyclonus" will it be the sole jet 'con. If so, I'd kind of hope he'd have a set of clones (sweeps?!) as generic fodder.

I wonder why there's been reluctance to have flying alt modes - because product placement is impossible? Three/Four (Starscream, Jetfire - did he actually fly in jet mode , Blackout/Grinder) is a pretty small number.

griffin

18th February 2014, 06:11 PM

Was more referring to image size, as they will take up a lot of space. I was wondering if we had something like (Replacing [ with { etc for this post).

{IMG width ="50%"}URL{/IMG} or {RESIZE=500}{IMG}url{/IMG}{/RESIZE} Sorry for being off topic, I just don't want to flood the thread with giant images, as I know some people can get quite annoyed at it. But it would allow them to right click it etc and open it in a new window to see the true size.

Back on topic. Are there any actual legal issues or bay preferences at the moment for the dinobots? As in are there actual things in place at the moment to physically replace the names, but keep the existing character? As I thought we might of had some entirely new dinobots which I thought was kind of odd.

Slag is apparently completely out, due to the British. (the age of political correctness rules it out... and I think this was the easier option than producing toys that different names in different english markets)
As for Snarl, Swoop and Sludge - who knows. Maybe Bay liked the sound of Scorn, Slash and Strafe - or someone at Hasbro actually said that the classic names could only be used if they were on a stegosaurus, sauropod, and a (one headed) pterodon?
(Scorn is a Spinosaur and Slash is a Raptor)

And test post some images using those codings to see if they work.

Mythirax

18th February 2014, 06:16 PM

Slag is apparently completely out, due to the British. (the age of political correctness rules it out... and I think this was the easier option than producing toys that different names in different english markets)
As for Snarl, Swoop and Sludge - who knows. Maybe Bay liked the sound of Scorn, Slash and Strafe - or someone at Hasbro actually said that the classic names could only be used if they were on a stegosaurus, sauropod, and a (one headed) pterodon?
(Scorn is a Spinosaur and Slash is a Raptor)

And test post some images using those codings to see if they work.

It'll be interesting to find out the inner workings behind that. I was hoping to have a True Dinobot team, or atleast Grimlock and Swoop. As the Lightning Strike Coalition Force and Wreckers are my favs :o

I'll make a test image now to see what happens.

DELTAprime

18th February 2014, 06:18 PM

Slag is apparently completely out, due to the British. (the age of political correctness rules it out... and I think this was the easier option than producing toys that different names in different english markets)
As for Snarl, Swoop and Sludge - who knows. Maybe Bay liked the sound of Scorn, Slash and Strafe - or someone at Hasbro actually said that the classic names could only be used if they were on a stegosaurus, sauropod, and a (one headed) pterodon?
(Scorn is a Spinosaur and Slash is a Raptor)

And test post some images using those codings to see if they work.

I'm a little pissed that he is now Slug in IDW G1 also. If theres one media that doesn't give a dam what is considered political correct it's comics. And yes I realise it's a pack in comic with toys but those toys are aimed at persons 18+ so I don't see the problem with a swear word thats only a swear word in one country.

Sinnertwin

18th February 2014, 06:26 PM

These new names kill me. Slug, apart from it's various slang meanings seems soooo formidable, while everytime i hear the name Slash mentioned, i imagine a tophat & a big mess of hair.

griffin

18th February 2014, 06:39 PM

Yeah, I hate the name Slug too... it just makes me think of the slimy garden variety, or the WFC giant slugs.
And Slash... well, the famous Guitarist, and taking a leak come to mind. :p
A Dinobot deserves something terrifying in its name! :mad:

There's an article on Seibertron.com (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-age-of-extinction-full-trailer-description-spoilers/29459/) with a description of the full trailer, which, providing it is accurate, would seem to spoil the bulk of the plot points. I don't remember the trailers of the other Bay films being quite so spoiler-y. I'm hoping the description is merely fan invention/speculation, otherwise, there's not likely to be many surprises left in the movie.

Not necessarily.
In the second movie we saw in trailers Devastator, and that was the climactic part of the movie.
In the third movie, we see the battle of Chicago, with Optimus slicing through Decepticons and the Driller beast chewing up a building.

It is a risk for movies though - the Climax is where the money shots often are, but how much do you show just to get people wanting to pay money to see more.

I think for TF4, the Dinobots should be somewhere towards the end, but the climax is still likely to be a spoiler that has been left out (the Kreo set of Galvatron breaking out of the Human's factory, with Optimus and Grimlock there... and standing really small in comparison).
What's the bet that after the Autobots chase off Lockdown's mob with the new Dinobots, the Human making his own robots, has one come to life (as Galvatron... maybe from using Megatron's brain?), and the Autobots and Dinobots then have to defeat it.

Mythirax

18th February 2014, 06:47 PM

Alright so I can't figure out how to resize the images in the post, as I want to keep the quality large. So I apologize about the giant size. If this is bad griff, feel free to delete or ask me to change my post. (They take up about 2.5MB of data in total.)

I ripped these out of one of the trailers on youtube.

http://i.imgur.com/sFNpoME.jpg
Ok so for starters we got the new Optimus, but correct me if I'm wrong. Is it just me or in the top right, is that Optimus being blown over in his original form? As his shoulders, feet and all very clearly look like original Optimus. So I'm presuming something must happen to transform his form, which I look forward to seeing.

http://i.imgur.com/uT3oBBL.jpg
So originally I thought this was an evil Decepticon getting ready to attack Bee, but now I realize it must be Strafe? The new 2 Headed Dinobot. Which in the footage I've now realize is technically saving Bee. As bee is being attacked/exploded from behind. In which Strafe 'swoops' down to pick him up from it.

http://i.imgur.com/hnmTN6J.jpg
Optimus and Grimlock. I'm glad to see he has the weapons from the FE Toy, both sword and shield(bottom right image) which can be clearly seen. I'm tempted to get a FE Optimus just for the weapons, to put on the new one revealed with the G1 homage alt. Just so I can make him look close to the new movie version :D

http://i.imgur.com/Dsfzrcp.jpg
Throwing some snaps in of the humans, because well. Why not. As we can see looks like this movie is going to have them running from explosions a lot. But I'm a Bay fan (don't hate me) so I love it. And Marky Mark is also one of my top 5 actors (don't hate me part 2). And to top it off the bottom right photos shows Marky throwing a punch. When the movie was first revealed having Marky. The first thing I said in another thread was "I hope Marky has a fist fight with a smaller transformer". So I am still quite hoping that happens :D:D:D

http://i.imgur.com/OXoYNYr.jpg
A better look at the Head cannon. Is this guy presumed to be Lockdown? Or are we looking at a new Galvatron? I'm sure someone will be able to answer this for me.

http://i.imgur.com/kEy8gZx.jpg
So seems we're going to see the cities filled with giant ships again. Which does wonders for my eyes. Anything flying gets my giddies. Be interesting what the location is of the bottom right image is. Due to you can see ships flying in the background. So we're either in a ship, or the cons have made a small base on earth possibly. Which would be pretty cool. I'd love to see some Cybertronian city like structures on the planet.

DELTAprime

18th February 2014, 06:58 PM

^ Galvatron is car slicing guy, Lockdown is gun face. Well at least going by the toys and drawings, I guess there could be 100 identical robots.

Mythirax

18th February 2014, 07:04 PM

^ Galvatron is car slicing guy, Lockdown is gun face. Well at least going by the toys and drawings, I guess there could be 100 identical robots.

Interesting. I hope it's that way, as I wouldn't be a giant fan of having Galvatron having his cannon come out of his face. Where as for Lockdown, I'm down with that.

BigTransformerTrev

18th February 2014, 08:22 PM

As for Snarl, Swoop and Sludge - who knows. Maybe Bay liked the sound of Scorn, Slash and Strafe - or someone at Hasbro actually said that the classic names could only be used if they were on a stegosaurus, sauropod, and a (one headed) pterodon?
(Scorn is a Spinosaur and Slash is a Raptor)

If they were doing a new Dinobot, they could have used the name Skar, the Dynobot medic from the Monstrosity comics as the fans would have accepted near any dinosaur mode for him as he was never shown with one. Oh well. As for Strafe, at a real stretch one could say the G1 character was a flyer that had two long gun things coming out the front, this guy flies as well and its just two heads instead. But I'm 100% certain that isnt it :rolleyes: And Technobots and Dinobots are pretty much at opposite ends of the spectrum :p.

I wonder if the upcoming 'Rise of the Dark Spark' game is giving something away here? Apparently, according to the unconfirmed rumors about the upcoming trailer, the main human guy finds a Cybertronian artifact of immense power (which is apparently 'narly' looking:p). If the game is being tied in to the movie, have they just given away that the artifact in question is indeed 'The Dark Spark'?!? :eek::confused::eek:

Paulbot

18th February 2014, 08:54 PM

And Technobots and Dinobots are pretty much at opposite ends of the spectrum :p.
Grimlock is Technobot Strafe's father in some universes... ;)

DELTAprime

18th February 2014, 08:58 PM

I wonder if the upcoming 'Rise of the Dark Spark' game is giving something away here? Apparently, according to the unconfirmed rumors about the upcoming trailer, the main human guy finds a Cybertronian artifact of immense power (which is apparently 'narly' looking:p). If the game is being tied in to the movie, have they just given away that the artifact in question is indeed 'The Dark Spark'?!? :eek::confused::eek:

I wouldn't be expecting much if anything in the way of movie plot devices showing up in the game especially since the Cybertron part takes place in the Prime universe. Plus even with the first and second TF movie games they kinda avoided major plot points even tho they were (terrible) retellings of the movie.

BigTransformerTrev

18th February 2014, 09:12 PM

I wouldn't be expecting much if anything in the way of movie plot devices showing up in the game especially since the Cybertron part takes place in the Prime universe.

The Prime Universe? I thought it was meant to be a sort of bridge between Fall of Cybertron and Age of Extinction?

DELTAprime

18th February 2014, 09:31 PM

Holdobot

18th February 2014, 09:35 PM

^ Galvatron is car slicing guy, Lockdown is gun face. Well at least going by the toys and drawings, I guess there could be 100 identical robots.

I can't remember if it was TFW of Seibertron, but on one of those sites someone had taken heaps of screen shots.

And the cannon headed robot in one of the shots had the Lamborghini emblem showing. So I think it can be confirmed that cannon is Lockdown.

Mythirax

18th February 2014, 09:35 PM

The Prime Universe? I thought it was meant to be a sort of bridge between Fall of Cybertron and Age of Extinction?

The events of the Cybertron games are all from the Prime universe. I haven't read them but I understand that the events of the games are all covered in the Exodus novel and The Covenant of Primus. They just went with the G1 look to the characters to sell it to us G1 fans.

Yeah what DELTA said is correct. So it'll be interesting how it groups together if at all. Seeming as it sort of talks about two worlds. It might in a sense be two separate universes in the one game for all we know? As mixing them together would be a little odd, and wouldn't really make sense in some cases.

BigTransformerTrev

18th February 2014, 09:42 PM

The events of the Cybertron games are all from the Prime universe. I haven't read them but I understand that the events of the games are all covered in the Exodus novel and The Covenant of Primus. They just went with the G1 look to the characters to sell it to us G1 fans.

Yeah what DELTA said is correct.

Huh - well there ya go, I learned something :) I knew that WFC/FOC and Prime were all part of the Aligned continuity, along with the books (don't bother to read Exodus unless you really want to - its not great) but the earth Grimlock and Optimus looked very AoE to me so I assumed that's what it was. Ah well, that makes more sense and now I know better :);)

Edit: Sorry to harp but are you guys really sure it's Prime and not AoE? I just watched the trailer again and it really seems like Optimus has his AoE body and alt-mode rather than the ones he had in Prime. Likewise with Grimlock.

Even TFW2005 is saying it's where the movie and FOC worlds meet:

Via IGN we can share with you the announcement trailer for the new Activision Transformers game, Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark - a game which sees the Movie universe and the Fall of Cybertron universe collide!

Mythirax

18th February 2014, 10:28 PM

Huh - well there ya go, I learned something :) I knew that WFC/FOC and Prime were all part of the Aligned continuity, along with the books (don't bother to read Exodus unless you really want to - its not great) but the earth Grimlock and Optimus looked very AoE to me so I assumed that's what it was. Ah well, that makes more sense and now I know better :);)

Edit: Sorry to harp but are you guys really sure it's Prime and not AoE? I just watched the trailer again and it really seems like Optimus has his AoE body and alt-mode rather than the ones he had in Prime. Likewise with Grimlock.

Even TFW2005 is saying it's where the movie and FOC worlds meet:

Via IGN we can share with you the announcement trailer for the new Activision Transformers game, Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark - a game which sees the Movie universe and the Fall of Cybertron universe collide!

The Covenant of Primus bridges together WFC/FOC and Prime. How ever the trailer shows art/models of FoC and AoE put together. So no Prime art is physically in the game. Thus why it seems like a bit of a mess and doesn't make sense. As if they bridge the game to AoE. Then they would be voiding the book that bridges Prime and FoC/WFC. Which would make sense for the game. So they very well might be ignoring what was written, and have the game just go to the movieverse when they hit earth.

griffin

18th February 2014, 10:36 PM

That's what Hasbro unofficially called the "Aligned Continuity (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family)", which intended to have TFPrime cartoon and the WFC/FOC games, and the Exile trilogy books all belong to the same universe... which is what the Covenant of Primus book covers. (also, Rescue Bots are part of TFPrime universe, so are technically part of it as well)

Now, IF Hasbro are wanting to rope in the Aligned Universe to the Movie universe (instead of maybe just being a crossing over of two continuums), then that would be very disappointing I think... because it was bad enough that they roped in the WFC game into their TFPrime universe, as that was originally intended as a pre-Gen1 game when it was pitched and in early development (hence the Generation One style of characters like Bumblebee and Starscream).

I would LOVE to use the WFC characters to trash over the Movie ones... so would really hope that it ends up being a crossover type game. :D

(if there is no actual TF4 game this year, I fear that this one is likely to feature the movie universe more than the WFC/FOC universe and characters :( )

Mythirax

18th February 2014, 10:41 PM

I would LOVE to use the WFC characters to trash over the Movie ones... so would really hope that it ends up being a crossover type game. :D

That'd be pretty cool. I'm hoping it doesn't sort of be a two worlds in one game. Where you're in a sense playing different timelines/universes.

(if there is no actual TF4 game this year, I fear that this one is likely to feature the movie universe more than the WFC/FOC universe and characters :( )

That is what I fear. But hopefully they somehow balance it well.

BigTransformerTrev

19th February 2014, 08:54 AM

The Covenant of Primus bridges together WFC/FOC and Prime. How ever the trailer shows art/models of FoC and AoE put together. So no Prime art is physically in the game. Thus why it seems like a bit of a mess and doesn't make sense. As if they bridge the game to AoE. Then they would be voiding the book that bridges Prime and FoC/WFC. Which would make sense for the game. So they very well might be ignoring what was written, and have the game just go to the movieverse when they hit earth.

That's what Hasbro unofficially called the "Aligned Continuity (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family)", which intended to have TFPrime cartoon and the WFC/FOC games, and the Exile trilogy books all belong to the same universe... which is what the Covenant of Primus book covers. (also, Rescue Bots are part of TFPrime universe, so are technically part of it as well)

Now, IF Hasbro are wanting to rope in the Aligned Universe to the Movie universe (instead of maybe just being a crossing over of two continuums), then that would be very disappointing I think... because it was bad enough that they roped in the WFC game into their TFPrime universe, as that was originally intended as a pre-Gen1 game when it was pitched and in early development (hence the Generation One style of characters like Bumblebee and Starscream).

I would LOVE to use the WFC characters to trash over the Movie ones... so would really hope that it ends up being a crossover type game. :D

(if there is no actual TF4 game this year, I fear that this one is likely to feature the movie universe more than the WFC/FOC universe and characters :( )

Considering they are releasing the 'Rise of the Dark Spark' game as well as the (if it ever happens) Transformers Universe game, I would not be surprised to find this is also the movie game. Otherwise that would mean 3 Transformer games within 12 months which may oversaturate the market. Plus the fact it is being released 3 days within the movie coming out, it does not make a lot of sense for them to release a non-movie game with that kind of timing.

I loved the Covenant of Primus, but was dissapointed when it went into the Prime universe at the end. Look at Soundwave and Arcee in WFC/FOC - totally G1 with very little correlation to their Prime incarnations. As many have pointed out, they really should not have tried to shoehorn the games into the Prime universe and I would have been happy for the Covenant to leave the Prime universe alone. Apparently the next cartoon is going to be in the Prime universe as well so they are trying to keep the Aligned continuity going. But to try and combine it with the movie universe would just be silly and annoy the fans even more.

Ah well, guess we will find out soon enough if this game is just AoE stylized or is a combination of FOC/AoE. If it is AoE, it may bring back into play that The Dark Spark is the artificat that Mark Wahlberg finds in the (possible) upcoming trailer.

Sinnertwin

19th February 2014, 11:23 AM

I wonder how this Dark Spark will fit into the continuity of the previous three films, if at all. Could it be another one of these plot elements that Megatron had going only for Galvatron to carry on with?

Is Galvatron a resurrected Megatron?

Why is the Drift toy blue when his vehicle mode is predominantly black with blue striping? Could Hasbro have changed the colour because they already have a black deco 'hero' character being released in Bumblebee first?

Mythirax

19th February 2014, 12:03 PM

I wonder how this Dark Spark will fit into the continuity of the previous three films, if at all. Could it be another one of these plot elements that Megatron had going only for Galvatron to carry on with?

They'll Probably just cut TFPrime out, and slab the game in to fit just before AOE. And seeming as part of the game looks to be on Cybertron. We'll create our own 'Earth Landing'.

griffin

19th February 2014, 12:33 PM

Why is the Drift toy blue when his vehicle mode is predominantly black with blue striping? Could Hasbro have changed the colour because they already have a black deco 'hero' character being released in Bumblebee first?

Yeah, the Drift car is mostly black with light blue trim around the bottom, but looking through the toys at Toyfair, Drift was completely black for the Kreo toys, blue for almost all of the other ones, and blue/black on the Construct-Bots Rider.... while Lockdown is either black, green or grey, Grimlock is either grey, gold, orange or red, Strafe is either blue or grey, and Optimus is also available as white or gold (one of which is named as if part of the movie).
Considering that most have completely different different colours in the movie, there shouldn't be any reason for the different coloured versions in the toys (unless they are hoping that people will buy other versions because they don't all look the same. (like if all the Grimlock toys were grey like in the movie, it would put you off buying more than the main Leader or Voyager.... but by having some different colour schemes, it might make it more appealing to buy more than just the main figure)

A bit like the previous movies, which all the toys (gimmick or not), just look the same in a group shot...
http://www.toycollectors.com.au/collection/0711b.jpg

Character collectors would love that, but others would be more selective with how many of each character they buy, based on size, price, transformation, colour, difficulty and gimmicks.

As for your question about who is Galvatron, maybe the heads in the jars in the Kreo Galvatron Factory Battle set is a hint, as one of the Human antagonists may have scavenged their technology and/or brains. (one looks like Sentinel Prime, the other is grey so could be Megatron)

Mythirax

19th February 2014, 12:35 PM

That's a pretty cool photo, seeing them like that :D

griffin

21st February 2014, 12:30 AM

Looking at the Voyager Optimus toy, I'm impressed and intrigued at how they managed to get a Gen1 cubish cab looking like the angular Movie Optimus Bot mode.

That's one toy I'm looking forward to. The rest are all "meh" to "barely passing".

DELTAprime

21st February 2014, 05:02 PM

So we saw the picture of Evasion Mode Optimus on the set, do we think he will be grey in the final movie as he was on the set or recoloured to be the same as the toy?

King Atlas

21st February 2014, 07:07 PM

Galvatron's toy (to me) is pretty damn ugly and bland looking. I'm sure they can and will make a better figure though.

griffin

21st February 2014, 07:28 PM

So we saw the picture of Evasion Mode Optimus on the set, do we think he will be grey in the final movie as he was on the set or recoloured to be the same as the toy?

He could be both... or maybe it is just white/grey in the movie (if he's evading capture, he wouldn't be red & blue), and since the Voyager toy is in the "collector" line, Hasbro chose to release it in Gen1 colours just to interest the fans.

reillyd

23rd February 2014, 09:41 PM

Galvatron's toy (to me) is pretty damn ugly and bland looking. I'm sure they can and will make a better figure though.

I couldn't see a Galvatron toy anywhere in the toy listings. Is he going by another name, or have I missed something obvious?

Sinnertwin

23rd February 2014, 10:13 PM

I couldn't see a Galvatron toy anywhere in the toy listings. Is he going by another name, or have I missed something obvious?

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=400496&postcount=5

reillyd

24th February 2014, 09:00 PM

Ahh voyager class not a flipchanger

griffin

24th February 2014, 09:56 PM

There were two shown at the Toyfair Display - Voyager (for us) and One-Step changer (for the kiddies).

It was odd to see so many Lockdown toys, but only one Stinger toy, and two Galvatron toys... and no other Decepticon characters, at least in the first two waves.
The display shelves in my room will be 4 Autobot shelves to 1 Decepticon shelf if this ratio continues.

Sinnertwin

26th February 2014, 01:37 AM

I was reading this again from collecticon.org

http://www.collecticon.org/2014/02/transformers-age-of-extinction-plot-details-from-toy-fair-2014-spoilers/

griffin

26th February 2014, 02:09 AM

Interesting read that, which pretty much says what we've been noting here from our observations.... just in a condensed posting.

Jinto

26th February 2014, 02:31 PM

I saw that in a post about the toy the other day. I think it means there could be something in the movie like the cartoon episode "War of the Dinobots" where dimmer Dinobots get tricked (or forced) into working for the Decepticons. But that's just a guess.

Grimlock also defected and worked with Megatron in the Dreamwave comics. And he's rebellious in most continuities, so it's not exactly "not true to his character" for him to be on the opposite side of things to Prime some times.

It could also be a way to justify the huge price tag on a toy by making it work with all figures.

Could be that Grimlock starts off non-aligned in the film and chooses the Autobots?

Paulbot

5th March 2014, 05:51 PM

By the new trailer that seems right, like he starts off wild and Prime proves himself mighty and wins him over.

The new trailer also seems to show humans are building Transformers. This was speculated about wasn't it? Bumblebee seems to be looking at a showroom model of one (well two, one in each mode). Perhaps these become the foot soldiers for the Decepticons via remote control/rewiring etc. these sparkless abominations.

I hope the human anti-Transformer Men in Black are called RAAT. I really hope so! But my first thought was they were Alice style Decepticon pretenders.

DELTAprime

5th March 2014, 08:18 PM

I'm guessing AOE will be taking some cues from the Skywatch story line of IDW G1. God I hope Bay doesn't call the MIBs Skywatch.

Sinnertwin

5th March 2014, 11:02 PM

The new trailer also seems to show humans are building Transformers. This was speculated about wasn't it? Bumblebee seems to be looking at a showroom model of one (well two, one in each mode). Perhaps these become the foot soldiers for the Decepticons via remote control/rewiring etc. these sparkless abominations.

I'm guessing they're the drone type characters we see in the Kreon Galvatron Factory Battle & Grimlock Street Attack sets

ILikeSoundwave

5th March 2014, 11:16 PM

That man-made bot in the showroom is Deception Stinger, I'm guessing he was the only prototype made and finished and at some point turns evil and obeys Galvatron or Lockdown. I'm guessing Galvatron was built by the humans, I think they took Megatrons corpse and fixed him up , but Megatrons brain was still intact but somehow the humans restarted it or something which created Galvatron, and he took over the factory and started making those fugly Vehicon drones and he took Stinger under his wing.

ILikeSoundwave

5th March 2014, 11:22 PM

Oh and by the looks of it the humans are hunting Transformers because they think theirs are better and therefore by the trailer Ratchet dies, Optimus and Bee get new looks to disguise themselves too. There you have it, Ratchet survived 3 movies protecting humans only to get slaughtered by them in the end. I would have much preferred Lockdown to be the one to end Ratchets life, as a little Animated reference there.:D I'm also guess Dino and Sideswipe were killed too.

Jinto

6th March 2014, 10:02 AM

Defcon

7th March 2014, 11:45 AM

I was thinking if they are going to have a factory with human-made transformers, maybe they could also reference a toy factory in the movie producing some merchandise for the kids and even show a toy shop full of vehicon toys shelf warming instead of bumblebees :p

griffin

25th March 2014, 10:40 PM

One thing I'd really love to see happen, is Bay getting Lance Henrikson to do the role of Lockdown, because he did a great job in Animated as Lockdown... sounding deliciously evil.

MayzaPrime

25th March 2014, 11:01 PM

One thing I'd really love to see happen, is Bay getting Lance Henrikson to do the role of Lockdown, because he did a great job in Animated as Lockdown... sounding deliciously evil.

+1

Its part of the reason why Lockdown is so awesome... The other part being a bounty hunter muscle car :D

Paulbot

31st March 2014, 05:10 PM

Thinking about the impact of the movies characters on the comics and what may or may not be coincidences...

spoilers for all IDW published comics to date...

Lockdown... reappeared in MTMTE just prior to Dark Cybertron
Hound.... elevated prominently in Dark Cybertron from background character to command of the Lost Light
Slug... don't call me Slag anymore as of Dark Cybertron
Galvatron... came back in Dark Cybertron, may take over command of the Decepticons
Drift... exiled from the Lost Light, with the movie coming I'm expecting him to reappear soon
Grimlock... last seen with the Scavengers, like Drift with the movie coming I would expect him to reappear.
Optimus Prime... no longer a Pax and heading back to Earth
Bumblebee... taken off the playing board in somewhat odd timing.

griffin

1st April 2014, 12:16 AM

Ultimately, Hasbro will pull strings on any of their licenses, if it suits their "unified Global marketing" of the Brand. After all, the old comics had to keep introducing the new toys of that year... and it looks like IDW are being forced to do the same with theirs, with a number of characters sporting toy forms before the toy came out.
Bumblebee is indeed odd timing, but in 3-4 issues he could be brought back, and it would still be Movie "season".

Something unrelated...
When was it officially announced that Lockdown's ship had a name (Nightship (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/new-transformers-4-age-of-extinction-poster-179574/))?
Did it come from a toy packaging, like the Kreo set... or was it in a press release I skipped over?

Sinnertwin

4th April 2014, 01:58 AM

Something unrelated...
When was it officially announced that Lockdown's ship had a name (Nightship (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/new-transformers-4-age-of-extinction-poster-179574/))?
Did it come from a toy packaging, like the Kreo set... or was it in a press release I skipped over?

MTV UK & TF Facebook, from the looks of it

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/978010-mtv-uk-calls-lockdowns-ship-nightship.html

griffin

8th April 2014, 03:29 PM

I don't know if this is news-worthy enough for its own topic here as it is a minor American DVD release, so will just post it here for now (and move it to it's own topic if there ends up being interest).

Gen1 Dinobots DVD from Shout Factory.
Everyone is jumping on the Dinbot bandwagon this year to cash in on this year's movie theme, and Shout Factory (the American company with the Transformers DVD license) is no exception. :rolleyes:
Out in America in July will be a special DVD of 6 Gen1 Dinobot episodes (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generation-1-1/g1-dvd-roar-of-the-dinobots-coming-from-shout-factory-179646/), so we might see the same thing from Madman here as well.

Paulbot

8th April 2014, 04:25 PM

BigTransformerTrev

9th April 2014, 02:26 PM

6 eps.... I'd guess: SOS Dinobots, War of the Dinobots, Dinobot Island 1 & 2 and Desertion of the Dinobots 1 & 2

Not a bad disc really. Classics like Grimlock's New Brain will have to be left out though.

Yeah, they can definitely leave that one out, though wouldn't mind them putting on Call of the Primatives (moot point as I have all the box sets so won't buy it anyway)

Oztron

10th April 2014, 11:53 AM

I know we have lockdown confirmed, but apart from that we know galvatron is a human puppet ie tf prime nemesis prime, and stinger appears to be human built as well. So will the humans be the third faction similar to mech in tf prime. I know most of the decepticons on earth were killed at the end of dotm, and there's lots more out there. But I'm starting to think the decepticons won't be a big bad in aoe

griffin

17th April 2014, 10:46 PM

In this auto show clip, of some of the movie cars, there is a white hatchback with blue racing stripes. Anyone know if that is a robot character, or is it just one of the racing cars that belongs to the boyfriend of the main female character (who's a race driver)?

There is suggestion that it is a Vehicon.... but I thought there would be more than one if it was true.

Sinnertwin

18th April 2014, 09:11 PM

Just don't remind Grimlock of Jurassic Park 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7tNqjsclhs) :p

theshape

19th April 2014, 06:39 PM

This was pretty spot on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z72wzFvi89Y

Sinnertwin

4th May 2014, 09:41 AM

I'd love to know how Dinosaurs end up wearing Jousting & other Medival headpieces...

Mythirax

4th May 2014, 01:54 PM

I'd love to know how Dinosaurs end up wearing Jousting & other Medival headpieces...

Probably because they won't end up being in the movie. So they just tried to make them cool :D

griffin

5th May 2014, 03:23 PM

A possibility that Drift is a villain at some point in the Movie??? (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys-products-30/official-in-package-images-of-transformers-4-age-of-extinction-pop-vinyl-figures-179880/)... either to start with (like Jetfire & Wheelie) or later (like Sentinel Prime).

If it follows the IDW Drift, it is likely to be starting as a Decepticon who has to earn redemption.

Sinnertwin

5th May 2014, 03:27 PM

Now there's an original idea!!!

Paulbot

13th May 2014, 11:39 PM

Mythirax

14th May 2014, 12:07 AM

Makes me think the knights, like the individual colour schemes, are a toy thing.

I been thinking this for a while. Just hoping I'm proved wrong. In a way. I'd rather just have the Original 5 Dinobots.

Sinnertwin

14th May 2014, 12:43 PM

Watched the new teaser (the Imagine Dragons one)

Cool new scenes but the more I see of these teasers the more I doubt the Dinobots will have robot modes in the movie :(

I've just got this feeling.

And I know only two (three?) Dinos have been seen at all and there's plenty of movie for them to appear, but the lack of any sort of art of the robot modes too... Makes me think the knights, like the individual colour schemes, are a toy thing.

You may be right about the Dinos. I think it may have been a marketing move by Hasbro to introduce colour as opposed to what we've seen them look like simply for kiddy appeal factor

I also think that at least one of the Dinobots will be destroyed along with some of the others

Mythirax

14th May 2014, 02:24 PM

I also think that at least one of the Dinobots will be destroyed along with some of the others

Maybe we'll see some form of "Transformers Fossils" for them :D

i_amtrunks

14th May 2014, 03:28 PM

If at any point Prime rides in on Grimlock and starts smashing up the joint, it will be only a metter of days before we get the footage to the tune of wrecking ball.

I'll be happy to see more Dinobots than Grimlock on the screen. Just have a feeling that we will get about 8 seconds each for Slag and Snarl, let alone any of the others.

griffin

14th May 2014, 06:38 PM

Sounds like TFPrime Season 3... HEAVILY marketed as a season of Predacons, but we only had one in the whole season, and then two others in the finale story that weren't even toys that most people could easily buy.

Sinnertwin

14th May 2014, 07:06 PM

I can only imagine the fan response if the Dinobots' total screen time was something like 3 minutes & 37 seconds...

Mythirax

14th May 2014, 07:23 PM

I can only imagine the fan response if the Dinobots' total screen time was something like 3 minutes & 37 seconds...

Maybe the movie starts with Op finding Grimlock, tries to ride him and ends up killing him from a long sleep on earth. Then the age of extinction begins and we have a 23 second flashback of dinobots in their glory. Seriously though, I so hope we get a lot of dinobots, and a lot of transformations :D

Omega Metro

14th May 2014, 07:26 PM

I can only imagine the fan response if the Dinobots' total screen time was something like 3 minutes & 37 seconds...

There's 'hopefully' 7 Dinobots in the movie so should get more than 3 minutes and 37 seconds. ....Probably 4 minutes and 3 seconds.:D

Omega Metro

16th May 2014, 11:54 PM

So is Stinger a clone of Bumblebee? Saw the big AOE merchandise display at BigW and there's a cardboard cutout thing of BB and Stinger and they are exactly the same robot apart from colour.

Sinnertwin

17th May 2014, 12:05 AM

i noticed that also. Along with Galvatron he should be a human built/ controlled Transformer. From what we've seen he's a Huayra & not a Camaro in the movie. Maybe they use BB as base for robot mode?

Sinnertwin

17th May 2014, 12:18 AM

It's a long time to sleep, but i wonder if the Dinobots landed here millions of years ago, took the shape of the native beasts & survived the meteor that wiped the rest of the Dinosaurs out?

Mythirax

17th May 2014, 12:35 AM

It's a long time to sleep, but i wonder if the Dinobots landed here millions of years ago, took the shape of the native beasts & survived the meteor that wiped the rest of the Dinosaurs out?

If they do that and show the event happening. That'd be amazing!

Deonasis

21st May 2014, 01:01 AM

The Nikko RC Helicopter is a no, not Decepticon but an Autobot according to an image I posted here: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/973874-transformers-4-nikko-rc-vehicle-images-info-2.html#post11044066

griffin

22nd May 2014, 09:18 PM

I don't like Ratchet's chances in TF4 after seeing the new trailer that's out showing him being hunted and shot at. I fear that he might be the "tragic" element that the audience is supposed to endure as a "required plot component" in movies these days. (A significant threat or assumed death can have the same effect... I don't see why they feel required to kill off a character when it is a popular one)

And Megatron fans might see some hope of a return of their beloved character, as the 10-minute preview footage has been revealed to include humans operating Galvatron by remote control... but if the source of that technology is from Megatron and Sentinel Prime, would it be a surprise if the mind of Megatron takes control of the Galvatron body by the end of the movie (to return for the 5th one).

Based on the trailers so far, I'm thinking the movie will be taking this format...
Humans hunting Autobots (destroy Ratchet), and Optimus is found by Marky Mark.
The new Human-built bots are released and help with the hunt... but just as Optimus is dealing with Galvatron, the fleet arrives with Lockdown capturing Optimus.
Drift, who is in Lockdown's army, is inspired (by honour) to help Optimus escape when learning of his heroic exploits.
To then repel the invasion and save the earth, Drift tells Optimus of the Dinobots, and they go find them.
The big battle is in Hong Kong, and when Lockdown is defeated, we are left with Megatron's mind becoming active over "Galvatron" who can now control all the human-built drones.
To be continued in TF5...

Let's see if I'm even remotely close. :p

Anyone else have plot guesses?

Omega Metro

22nd May 2014, 09:29 PM

Mythirax

22nd May 2014, 09:50 PM

I still miss Ironhide :( I didn't see his death coming.

Sinnertwin

22nd May 2014, 09:57 PM

I still miss Ironhide :( I didn't see his death coming.

Neither did he!
Nyak nyak nyak :p

Mythirax

22nd May 2014, 09:58 PM

Neither did he!
Nyak nyak nyak :p

Haha :( Doesn't help poor sad panda. Love the Mars Attack laugh though ;)

Deonasis

22nd May 2014, 10:59 PM

I think you are fairly close.
On another note, the TF4 App revealed that the big spaceship thing that Lockdown is walking away from is called 'The Harbinger Of Doom'. I had to google that but nothing TF related really jumped out at me so assume it's just a generic name.:confused:I think it has been said that Lockdown does not work for the Decepticons, but maybe there is another master.. possibly Quintesson or Unicron himself. Now I do not want to see Unicron in any live action movie but that oddly shaped ship could be (in my eyes anyway) Unicron's detached hand.

Omega Metro

22nd May 2014, 11:20 PM

I think it has been said that Lockdown does not work for the Decepticons, but maybe there is another master.. possibly Quintesson or Unicron himself. Now I do not want to see Unicron in any live action movie but that oddly shaped ship could be (in my eyes anyway) Unicron's detached hand.

Yeah I'm kinda thinking there's a Unicron link there somewhere from that spaceship. Even a Grimlock/Trypicon vibe.

kurdt_the_goat

23rd May 2014, 04:09 PM

I'm surprised there hasn't been much talk of a potential Unicron... to me the ship, with it's sucking action and mouth/eye looks very similar. I guess size wise it's much too small so maybe that's why. I want to see Unicron at some point in the live action films (provided they don't turn him into a space cloud like Fantastic Four's Galactus!)...

...but, i can understand why they wouldn't do it. Opening the matrix to destroy him would take a great deal of belief stretching in live action, and once they use him, it's unlikely they could come up with a greater threat for sequels.

griffin

6th June 2014, 02:10 AM

Buying and building a couple of the Kreo sets (which we already know that the Galvatron Factory Battle (http://www.toycollectors.com.au/transformers/2014/kreo58.jpg) set is a spoiler with the robot heads in buckets and Galvatron being built by humans), I found that the Cell Block Breakout set now makes sense of the scene in the Trailers that has Bumblebee riding Strafe.
I had originally thought the Cell Block Breakout set related to Bumblebee being rescued by Strafe, but the instructions and the back of the box show that Bumblebee is rescuing Optimus while on Strafe... which makes me think that the scene in the trailers of Bumblebee riding Strafe has something to do with rescuing Optimus from the Humans or Lockdown (after the Dinobots have been found).
It also makes me think that the Vehicons are Lockdown's minions... allowing Bay to use one CGI model for hundreds or thousands of troops. Otherwise, we don't really have any toys for the invasion army except Lockdown.
It's bad enough that we only have four Decepticons toys expected (plus Junkheap, which could well be just a publicity figure instead of a movie toy).

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/transformers/2014/kreo54.jpg

Deonasis

6th June 2014, 04:20 AM

Not a fan of the new trailer showing a stinger "transforming" via heaps of little floating cubes. It is commonly used on tv but does not have the slightest Transformer vibe to it. Unless it is a hologramy thing my brain struggles with the concept.

griffin

6th June 2014, 04:51 PM

I just got to opening up the Custom Kreons, and it is worth noting that Drift comes with a set of helicopter blades as his second backpack.

Now, ordinarily the Custom Kreons come with backpacks and weapons that have nothing to do with that character... they are just there for the kid to be creative, like, giving someone wings who doesn't fly.

I just think that if this was actually intentional, then what if Drift really does take on a Helicopter mode in the Movie... and why is it being hidden as if it is a spoiler? It's not like someone being resurrected or changing sides (TF2, TF3)... it's just a new alt-mode, which we saw in TF1 for Bumblebee, and it wasn't a secret.

Autocon

8th June 2014, 07:05 PM

I believe and most likely wrong, that this wolf pack are the new aliens that are trying to destroy us.

davieanix

12th June 2014, 08:39 PM

I mentioned in the Slash review thread that I think he will be our first non screen toy in hindsight, but now I'm thinking he actually will appear in the film.

I just think he will be tiny compared to the other Dinobots. The fact that he is a raptor means he won't be a lumbering behemoth like the others.

Maybe Marky Mark rides him =p

Mythirax

12th June 2014, 08:55 PM

griffin

13th June 2014, 12:00 AM

There's not going to be much left of the movie after sooo many trailers, and they are coming out thick and fast in the last week, each with something new.... and there is still two weeks left.

Mythirax

13th June 2014, 01:37 AM

There's not going to be much left of the movie after sooo many trailers, and they are coming out thick and fast in the last week, each with something new.... and there is still two weeks left.

I've told myself I'm going to stop watching them. We'll see how that goes.

Sky Shadow

16th June 2014, 09:42 PM

For anyone who didn't hear this deeply insightful interview with Marky Mark on Triple-J this morning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6myEZpqAixE&feature=share&list=UUd2KNtfphz8HvYzM4pwtHmg&index=2 :D

5FDP

17th June 2014, 09:53 AM

To Mark's credit, he handled it like a pro. If it was a lesser actor such as Bruce Willis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6viUMICL31E), he would have tore that guy to shreds.

kurdt_the_goat

23rd June 2014, 02:18 AM

Has anyone wondered whether Marky Mark will find some Master Braces in his beat up Prime? :D

SkyWarp91

26th June 2014, 04:56 AM

R.I.P. Ratchet

griffin

26th June 2014, 05:39 AM

I won't close this topic because people might want to refer to their previous guesses (what they guessed right or wrong), but I think that now that the movie is out, discussion about the movie (including spoilers) can now go in the review topic (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=18717).

drifand

26th June 2014, 09:01 AM

So is this how Galvatron is? I hate the fact that it transform like liquid metal format and not following all the "normal" style. Hated Bay for doing this and not utilizing Unicron to do a epic reboot.

The other crap is Joshua Joyce, how can he be a bad scientist and then decide to turn good just feels like bs to me. As an Autobot I be so pissed off with this guy for allowing the hunt down of all autobots like Ratchet and got killed and melted down so he can recreate Galvatron? I don't really buy it. His other two assistants (the sweet Asian girl and Darcy other researcher) were believable in the story.

Don't really like how Hound looks but I give 10 for his courage, please FFS don't kill him in the next movie.

Like Prime is like most of us at this stage, he is tired of saving humans which is really bringing out his trust and faith on earth and looks like he wants to go home.

As for Lockdown, it just spells Sideswipe mp will be available to Hasbro. lol ;)

Spiritprime

26th June 2014, 01:03 PM

For me, the movie was a wonderful experience. I found myself holding my breath in some parts, especially with what KSI was doing to Ratchet's remains. Optimus absolutely lost his shit and just stormed the building without any strategy whatsoever. Left my heart completely broken.

As far as I was aware, the Autobots' personalities were really cool! Drift being your typical samuari, Crosshairs being a jerk, Hound is loveable and fun, Bumblebee being reckless and disobediant, and Optimus being emotionally sick and tired of humanity to the point where he will shoot a human in self-defence without hesitation. The poor guy had lost faith in humanity, and yet he was willing to kill a single human just to protect Cade.

That was a real surprise. I didn't think he would do that, but he did.

Micktimus

26th June 2014, 01:18 PM

Loved the movie but I still hate how the keep killing off characters.

redhot_rodimus

26th June 2014, 03:47 PM

Got to say Lockdown is a BadAss MuthaF@#$#$

redhot_rodimus

26th June 2014, 03:50 PM

So will Optimus find Unicron or Primus because to quote the movie "the creators"
or maybe the Quintessons ?

MayzaPrime

26th June 2014, 06:07 PM

So will Optimus find Unicron or Primus because to quote the movie "the creators"
or maybe the Quintessons ?

Quintessons all the way! They did give that little teaser at the start of the movie and the hand/claw operating the seeding process was techno-organic and Lockdown's attack dogs looked techno-organic.

drifand

26th June 2014, 10:07 PM

Or suddenly we get a new Earth war with Rodimus vs Galvatron.

looks like a story split.

GoktimusPrime

27th June 2014, 11:09 PM

So will Optimus find Unicron or Primus because to quote the movie "the creators"
or maybe the Quintessons ?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/meme_creators_zps67179eaf.jpg
:p ;)

SkyWarp91

28th June 2014, 03:39 AM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/meme_creators_zps67179eaf.jpg
:p ;)

Lol.

I found myself thinking like Optimus Prime in abandoning humanity to serve my own purposes though when watching this film...

orionpax1

29th June 2014, 03:31 PM

Was thinking the Quintessons myself

griffin

29th June 2014, 05:39 PM

In the KSI lab they say they were working from 2 heads. One is Megatron... anyone know who the other is?
(This is where the IDW comic adaptation would be handy, but we aren't getting one this time)

ILikeSoundwave

29th June 2014, 05:44 PM

In the KSI lab they say they were working from 2 heads. One is Megatron... anyone know who the other is?
(This is where the IDW comic adaptation would be handy, but we aren't getting one this time)

Leadfoots head.

davieanix

29th June 2014, 06:54 PM

I didn't see Leadfoot's but they definitely had Sentinel Prime's, sans helmet

Sky Shadow

29th June 2014, 07:04 PM

I didn't see Leadfoot's but they definitely had Sentinel Prime's, sans helmet

I thought I saw Sentinel too. Which I figured was clever if it was one of the ingredients in creating Galvatron:

Leonard Nimoy's voice + Megatron = Galvatron. :p

griffin

29th June 2014, 08:24 PM

autobreadticon

29th June 2014, 08:49 PM

I like how this random Asian guy in the elevator knew Wing chun and looked like Jackie Chan's son.

also I like the jokes directed at the Texans.

ILikeSoundwave

30th June 2014, 03:11 PM

I guess Sentinel Prime makes sense, as it appears to be the one in the "Factory Battle" Kreo set with Megatron's head... but the scene where they were talking about the two heads, I couldn't work out the other one.
I thought it might have been Starscream, based on the colour, but if Sentinel was missing the helmet, that would make it harder to work out.

I'm not 100% sure but I believe I saw Leadfoots, not in the scene where Joshua was talking about them, in another one I believe, I'll check when I see the movie again this weekend.

Golden Phoenix

1st July 2014, 01:52 PM

Since when did Optimus Prime have rocket boots?!?! And why did he not use them at all until the very end?

Bartrim

1st July 2014, 03:11 PM

My quick opinion. The movie was too long and was too unevenly paced but apart from that I enjoyed for what it was. I rate it the second best of the franchise (not that that's hard :p)

millhouse

1st July 2014, 03:25 PM

My quick opinion. The movie was too long and was too unevenly paced but apart from that I enjoyed for what it was. I rate it the second best of the franchise (not that that's hard :p)

Bartrim, that mirrors my thoughts exactly.

Bartrim

1st July 2014, 03:43 PM

Bartrim, that mirrors my thoughts exactly.

Then you are a brilliant man:D

griffin

1st July 2014, 03:49 PM

Since when did Optimus Prime have rocket boots?!?! And why did he not use them at all until the very end?

I remember reading someone else's comments somewhere - if they needed to get the key to vector sigma Seed out of Hong Kong in a hurry, why not use Drift's helicopter mode or have Optimus fly it out, instead of the humans picking the oldest, crappiest taxi they could find. :rolleyes:

drifand

1st July 2014, 03:55 PM

I remember reading someone else's comments somewhere - if they needed to get the key to vector sigma Seed out of Hong Kong in a hurry, why not use Drift's helicopter mode or have Optimus fly it out, instead of the humans picking the oldest, crappiest taxi they could find. :rolleyes:

Welcome to Hollywood. lol

I think there were a lot of flaws in the movie but it is entertaining enough.

Golden Phoenix

1st July 2014, 04:01 PM

I remember reading someone else's comments somewhere - if they needed to get the key to vector sigma Seed out of Hong Kong in a hurry, why not use Drift's helicopter mode or have Optimus fly it out, instead of the humans picking the oldest, crappiest taxi they could find. :rolleyes:

Well you'd be using some basic logic and planning there, and we all know that kind of thinking is not welcome.

Omega Metro

1st July 2014, 04:02 PM

I think they might of explained Optimus' rocket flying better if he had changed back to his 2007 Protoform/Meteor mode when he entered space. I was kinda expecting that to happen but it didn't. He and the other Autobots must of had some type of 'jet propulsion' back in 2007 movie when they left Cybertron or wherever they came from.

Golden Phoenix

1st July 2014, 04:47 PM

Deonasis

1st July 2014, 05:43 PM

Firing the seed back into Lockdown's ship would've been cool ..'cept for all the dead prisoners of course (not that this Optimus would even blink at doing something like that).

Alpha Supreme

1st July 2014, 06:07 PM

Threads... pull one and it all falls apart... suspend belief and the need for everything to make sense and it all comes together in wonderful action packed Transformery goodness. Questions, I had a few, like what about Lockdown's ship left floating over Hong Kong? Well previously it was the "Legendary Warriors" so perhaps it will be answered in the next movie??? Where did the Dinobots Go? Why didn't Prime use Lockdowns ship to go look for the creators?
Anyway... I don't really need the answer to these questions as this is the first movie I have really enjoyed... no annoying humans (read: Shia Labouf). And I felt the transformers got a good amount of screen time and character development, always could be more but it was a step up from the previous films. *chucks 2 cents in the hat*

VGMStudios

2nd July 2014, 02:38 PM

Saw the movie. Was great.
So when is tf5 coming out?

From the way they've been advertising it I thought the dinobots where going to have more scree time then they did.

morg176

3rd July 2014, 01:23 PM

Saw the movie yesterday. Admittedly I must say that I was generally dissapointed at another sequel that had little if any story, poor character development, and the main parts 8f the story ( the dinobots) werent in the movie except at the end and never seemed to scan a dinosaur for there alt modes.

Alot of gaps and inconsistencies. And the way that the stingers and galvatron "transformed" was a f* joke. The metal they are made of didnt seem to make a difference in other movies.

They could have done so much better

Hope a different team makes no 5, if only so we get a decent movie... sigh

Didnt expect much better though

jena

5th July 2014, 09:14 PM

I went and saw the movie for the second time last night and I think I enjoyed it more the second time. But I'm one of those fans who are super easy to please - gimme lots of Optimus action and epicness and I'm sold! I found some things far more amusing the second time, like Galvatron's Doctor Claw "I'll get you next time!!" moment.

Darksaber

6th July 2014, 12:58 PM

i hated the cade movie I thought that having marky mark would have brought the movie to an older audience their were just so many frustrating things in this movie e.g Bumblebee can talk and is suppose to be an autobot warrior but all he seems to do is f*@k things up all the time and way to much human character development with 0 transformers development.

will someone tell me how the autobots always end up with roughly the same numbers every movie against what is seemingly an infinite number of decepticon yet always win.

the most disappointing thing was I've seen this exact movie before guy gets car/truck, guy gets in trouble as car/truck is a transformer guy/transformer go on the run discover humans experimenting with TF Tech goes wrong big fight at the end and Autobots win sounds familiar

TF5 0 humans all set in space with nothing but TF's