TF4 "Then & Now" sets coming to ToysRUs

[griffin]

Computer system has "Grimlock Then & Now" (A7743) in the computer for May. No idea what it is, but was on the leaked Hasbro database.

(posts moved from sightings to here, and will later be in the AUS news section - as they have movie character names, so should be in here for now)

[Sinnertwin]

Grimlock Then & Now? Interesting.
I'm thinking something similar to the OP Leader For The Ages set with its smaller, simpler toys

[griffin]

The leaked Hasbro Database had five of these packs listed, and three of them are Dinobots (Grimlock, "Swoop", and "Slag" - with Optimus and Bbee of course). I would love it if the "before" was Gen1 figures, but they are more likely to be the more recent Beast Wars era figures, not because of availability, but for their more modern engineering and durability.... a bit like them using classic-verse figures for previous sets (like the Optimus one you mentioned, and the Starscream/Bumblebee Legends 4-pack in 2011).

If you wanted to do some TRU digging, the codes are...
TRA BUMBLEBEE THEN AND NOW A7726
TRA IVAN (Grimlock) THEN AND NOW A7742
TRA OPTIMUS PRIME THEN AND NOW A7745
TRA PAULIE (Strafe) THEN AND NOW A7754
TRA THUNDERLIPS (Slug) THEN AND NOW A7755

[Sinnertwin]

TRA BUMBLEBEE THEN AND NOW A7726
$25
TRA IVAN THEN AND NOW A7742
$90
TRA OPTIMUS PRIME THEN AND NOW A7745
$90
TRA PAULIE THEN AND NOW A7754
$25
TRA THUNDERLIPS THEN AND NOW A7755
$25

i was just quoted these prices over the phone, but i'm yet to confirm in store. It looks like we'll be getting quite a few as well. 720-1000 units each depending on the character.


Prices confirmed. $89.99 for OP & Ivan, $24.99 for the other three.

[griffin]

That's surprisingly cheap for the $25 ones, as the name implies that there should be two toys in there.... and I doubt that they'd create new toys for the old versions of each.
The $25 pricing would mean that they would have to be Cmdr or Legion class if a 2-pack, but we didn't see anything smaller than Deluxe for the collectors at Toyfair. Actually, we didn't see anything under $10 for the Movie toys, even the gimmick ones, and that's the price point of the Legion 2-packs, which is about $16-20 here. No way there would be a 2-pack for $25.
I fear that these may just be a figurine 2-pack set... but then, why have two $90 sets, which would be expensive enough for two Voyager sized, convertible toys. It ruins the uniformity of the set having such extremely different sizes (price-points) on a themed set like this.

[Sinnertwin]

Prices confirmed for the Then & Nows.. $89.99 for OP & Ivan, $24.99 for the other three

[griffin]

Nice work as always Sinnertwin.

$25.... that's less than their Deluxe pricing ($30), which could even mean figurines if these are indeed a 2-pack line of Gen1 Vs Movie packs.

I'm a bit disappointed by that, as two of the five are priced like they will be two Voyagers in a 2-pack, but then three of the five are priced as if they are smaller than a Deluxe and a little larger than a GEN Legends 2-pack.

:(

[Gofigure]

Always like the idea of these type of sets

Spawn and g.i.joe ones were pretty ok, interested to see what type of toys they use

[Sinnertwin]

And the TrU codes

45308 Optimus
45303 Ivan


45317 Bumblebee
45319 Thunderlips
51629 Paulie

[griffin]

Are they the TRU codes?
They are different to the Hasbro codes posted above.

[Sinnertwin]

TrU codes
Edited accordingly

[i_amtrunks]

Could we possibly be getting the smaller simplified movie toy with a Universe styled toy (originally Beast Wars-II I think) in the deluxe class. Since they are older toys it'd be easier to reproduce cheaply.

[DELTAprime]

Since they are older toys it'd be easier to reproduce cheaply.

Older doesn't mean cheaper to produce. Hasbro has said moulds from before 2011 are two expensive to produce now. So if they are using old moulds it would have to be ROTF or later.

[griffin]

Exclusives are often exempt from "rules" pertaining to the main lines.
Do you have a link to what Hasbro were referring to, as I think the "expense" element may have been referring to the Hasbro mainline sizes shrinking in size around 2011-2012, making it less likely to reproduce one from before the last movie.
But, Takara Beast Era figures were of varying sizes because they didn't have size classes, and each figure had different prices. If one is similar size to the current Deluxe class, it could be within their budget to do it if they wanted to. Some of the HK Generations were pre-2011 moulds, and were released in America as exclusives... and this set of "Then & Now" sound like exclusives.

But it's all moot really, as the $25 pricing of these smaller sets at TRU means it is a smaller-than-Deluxe figure (if a single figure). And if it is a 2-pack, it would have to be similar to a GEN Legends 2-pack.

[Sinnertwin]

$25 doesn't give you much room to play at TrU when you're looking at a two-pack, if they are a two pack & not a bunch of robot heroes; two commander class figures are $40 & i doubt that TrU would take a $15 hit. Two Legions? Not much change from a $20 note there, but i suppose with a movie mark-up, it may be what we end up with. Robot Replica style's another consideration or perhaps a mix of class figures.
The $89.99 pair could easily be made up of two voyagers. Who knows what me may end up with

[DELTAprime]

Do you have a link to what Hasbro were referring to

I'm just going by whats been said here by other people (reliable people). From what I was told it was a response to a Botcon question and they were not just referring to the amount of plastic but also to the operations to build the figure.

[griffin]

I'm just going by whats been said here by other people (reliable people). From what I was told it was a response to a Botcon question and they were not just referring to the amount of plastic but also to the operations to build the figure.

Ah, I thought it might have been... which I didn't remember off-hand what was being said, so was hoping that you might have had something to help refresh my memory.
It sounds about right though - some time around the third movie, cost-cutting of the two main lines (Prime & Movie) resulted in a budget that wouldn't make it easy to re-use previous moulds... at least in the main line because they can only charge a certain price to retailers on them. They can charge more for exclusives if a Retailer is interested, so they might still be usable.
At least, one would hope so when it comes to figures that only got a small release, or were not produced before the axing of a line.

[UltraMarginal]

the cost of re-producing aGen 1 figure might be a lot more than a modern figure, Generation one toys were designed with much less modern materials in mind, they probably use a lot more plastic as it would have been more brittle back then and less plyable.
the toys themselves were a lot more complex (costruction wise) than many of todays toys are. an example would be an arm, a modern arm would consist of perhaps 5 parts that just clip together, shoulder, bicep, forearm hand, all with simple ball joint or rotating disc connections. an old G1 arm, upper arm, forward and back halves, lower arm forward and back halves, at least one pin for each of those joints, and probably a screw or two. probably 2 parts for the hand to slide into the arm. so maybe 8 parts.

I'm not saying all modern toys are much simpler but there is potentially a 30-40% higher parts count in a G1 toy compared to a modern toy where a lot of the joints are part of the pieces rather than an additional piece or more.
there is extra expense in the size of the mold to produce all the extra parts, assembly time, extra plastic volume to support the extra thickness, extra worldwide shipping/distiribution charges to cover the extra weight.

Having said that, i'd be happy to cough up a few extra dollars for a re-issue G1 figure especially if it's a dinobot or something along those lines that we've previously been given the impression we'll never see on a retail shelf again.

[DELTAprime]

^ Plus the fact that the Dinobot moulds have been lost rules out a G1 reissue.

Maybe the $25 ones are a simplified toy not a deluxe and some sort of statue.:confused:

[Trent]

^ Plus the fact that the Dinobot moulds have been lost rules out a G1 reissue.

Maybe the $25 ones are a simplified toy not a deluxe and some sort of statue.:confused:

Since when have the Dinobots moulds been lost? Don't recall reading that one :confused:

[mknell]

So whats with the ivan code? Why is Grimlock called Ivan??

[DELTAprime]

Since when have the Dinobots moulds been lost? Don't recall reading that one :confused:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mold#Lost_molds



Known lost/stolen molds are:
Generation 1 Grimlock
Generation 1 Slag
Generation 1 Sludge
Generation 1 Snarl
Generation 1 Swoop
Generation 1 Mirage
Most if not all of the Beast Wars basics

Molds rumored to be lost:
Generation 1 Sunstreaker

[Sky Shadow]

Saying that "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics" are lost, is a ridiculous and blatantly incorrect generalisation for the TFWiki to make. Three BW Basic moulds are broken. The twenty-plus others are - as far as we know - perfectly fine.

[DELTAprime]

Saying that "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics" are lost, is a ridiculous and blatantly incorrect generalisation for the TFWiki to make. Three BW Basic moulds are broken. The twenty-plus others are - as far as we know - perfectly fine.

Really? Care to find a reference and edit the information?

As someone that edits TFwiki a bit I really think we need to use references a lot more like Wikipedia does. A Wiki should be as indisputable as the Encyclopaedia Britannic. A scientific study a few years back found that Wikipedia has less errors than the Britannica, so I figure with a few reference links we should be able to get TFwiki up to the same standard.

[Sinnertwin]

So whats with the ivan code? Why is Grimlock called Ivan??

Because Ivan must break you.

They're all named after Rocky characters, in this case, Ivan Drago :)

[griffin]

Yeah... for some strange reason, the TF4 characters were given Rocky code-names to hide them from fansites (as if they were some national secret). But when the Hasbro database leaked last October, with both names sets of names with matching Product Numbers, it let us know for sure what each code-name was for.

[Sky Shadow]

Really? Care to find a reference and edit the information?

As someone that edits TFwiki a bit I really think we need to use references a lot more like Wikipedia does. A Wiki should be as indisputable as the Encyclopaedia Britannic. A scientific study a few years back found that Wikipedia has less errors than the Britannica, so I figure with a few reference links we should be able to get TFwiki up to the same standard.

At BotCon about twelve years ago, Hasbro claimed that the mould for Basic Rattrap was lost or broken after being used for Packrat in 1997. Insecticon and (I believe) Armordillo had suffered a similar fate. Some people say Terrorsaur/Lazorbeak is also missing, but since it's been used for Fractyl, Hydra, Terranotron and Swoop (the latter two at the same time as Hasbro was talking about the missing moulds) it's probably just a rumour/misunderstanding. That leaves Basic Optimus Prime, Razorbeast, Megatron/Iguanus, Snapper, Airazor, Claw Jaw, Snarl, Drill Bit, Powerpinch, Razorclaw, Spittor, Air Hammer, Bantor, Noctorro, Buzzclaw, Quickstrike, Terragator, Nightglider, Optimus Minor, Sonar, Stinkbomb, Scarem and Spittor all intact as far as we know. So I assume whoever put that on the wiki took an offhand comment about three Basic moulds and mistranslated it into "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics".

[griffin]

The "default setting" is that a mould exists until it is proven or quoted by a reliable source that it is lost or broken. Which means a reference listing that goes against the default, is the one that needs to provide evidence of those claims.
The good thing about Wikis is that they often note their sources at the bottom of the pages... so the tfwiki just needs to note a source if they ever use the word "known".

I personally am one who thinks that the odds are, that after all this time, most are now lost, since we've heard generalised comments in the past that many older moulds are gone... but unless it is proven, we have to blindly assume that they still exist.

[DELTAprime]

The "default setting" is that a mould exists until it is proven or quoted by a reliable source that it is lost or broken. Which means a reference listing that goes against the default, is the one that needs to provide evidence of those claims.
The good thing about Wikis is that they often note their sources at the bottom of the pages... so the tfwiki just needs to note a source if they ever use the word "known".

I personally am one who thinks that the odds are, that after all this time, most are now lost, since we've heard generalised comments in the past that many older moulds are gone... but unless it is proven, we have to blindly assume that they still exist.

Well I fixed up it up to what we know from Botcon is lost. I fear that many moulds have been lost over the years myself. At least if they loose a modern mould they have the CAD designs to make a new one if it's an important/valuable mould.

[Sky Shadow]

Well I fixed up it up to what we know from Botcon is lost.

Awesome. :)

[ILikeSoundwave]

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/977302-aoe-grimlock-evolution-2pack-revealed-featuring-energon-grimlock.html

[Sky Shadow]

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/977302-aoe-grimlock-evolution-2pack-revealed-featuring-energon-grimlock.html

Bwahahahahaha! Seriously, I wish this was the first of April.

Also, it amuses me that the box says 1984 for a 2005 toy with 1984 engineering.

[Sharky]

They picked probably the worst figure evere to represent. So do we assume that emerging swoop will be packaged with Strafe???

[kup]

There will probably be some geewunner who thinks that's a G1 Grimlock.

Isn't Grimlock 1985? What's going on there?

[1AZRAEL1]

Fail. If it was actually a G1 Grimlock, I might've bought it. But this just is a cop out. I don't think I have any desire to own any of the AOE figures.

[Sky Shadow]

There will probably be some geewunner who thinks that's a G1 Grimlock.

Isn't Grimlock 1985? What's going on there?

His first comics appearance was December of 1984, but yes, the 1984 thing is odd. At least the Energon toy is conceptually improved by not being packed with Swoop, and those colours are better than the 2005 release. It's a shame that they still couldn't bother to engineer a weapon or two for him.

[5FDP]

I don't remember that toy from 1984 either :rolleyes:

[Sinnertwin]

I have read of the Hasbro CEO at the time, Stephen Hassenfeld posing with a few Slags (behave) for a photoshoot in '84, but that doesnt hold much water for determining his release date when you consider the variables behind it.

The 1984-2014 branding is just another reminder of how old the franchise is :)

[reillyd]

Fail. If it was actually a G1 Grimlock, I might've bought it. But this just is a cop out. I don't think I have any desire to own any of the AOE figures.


If it was REALLY a g1 Grimlock at that price point, it would have sold like hotcakes. I dares ya not to buy it then!

Realistically, it was never going to be a reissue Grimlock. TakTomy haven't reissued it in Encore, so I'd think chances are abysmally low. For that matter, no new molds in Encore have been released for some time... Hope its not dead

[Sky Shadow]

I have read of the Hasbro CEO at the time, Stephen Hassenfeld posing with a few Slags (behave) for a photoshoot in '84, but that doesnt hold much water for determining his release date when you consider the variables behind it.

Also, I've only ever seen that photo in black and white, so it could well be a Diaclone Triceratops even if it's not a pre-release Slag.

[Paulbot]

If it was REALLY a g1 Grimlock at that price point, it would have sold like hotcakes. I dares ya not to buy it then!

Realistically, it was never going to be a reissue Grimlock. TakTomy haven't reissued it in Encore, so I'd think chances are abysmally low. For that matter, no new molds in Encore have been released for some time... Hope its not dead

I'm not giving up hope on an Encore Dinobot or two from TakTomy, but never had any belief that Hasbro would sell them. Off the top of my head the only toy Hasbro has released after an Encore reissue was Soundwave (with some of the tapes).

I thought that the "Then" would be Classics or maybe FOC Grimlock? I never considered Energon Grimlock.

It's a nice image of G1 Grimlock's beast mode on the box though.

[Sky Shadow]

I'm not giving up hope on an Encore Dinobot or two from TakTomy, but never had any belief that Hasbro would sell them. Off the top of my head the only toy Hasbro has released after an Encore reissue was Soundwave (with some of the tapes).

Pinkimus Prime, Eject, Ramhorn and Steeljaw were post-Encore, but yes - considering G1 reissues are generally shelfwarmers in the US, Hasbro isn't likely to be big on pursuing them. The Seacon and Predacon reissues are shelfwarming the internet as we speak.

[griffin]

Yeah, the years quoted is just for the Retailers and General Consumer's benefits... not ours. They did the same thing with the Optimus 2-pack a few years back, using the Classics mould from 2006 and listed it as the "1984 Optimus".

This is one of those packs that should be bought for display, rather than play... and even though they should have gone with the Classics Grimlock, the artwork and box set-up make it look nice. It's just a pity that they aren't both in Dino mode. (and movie grimlock is completely covered by his box art - leaving the empty parts of the box being completely exposed)

Now if the two separate price points that Sinnertwin found at ToysRUs stays true, it is funny seeing the guesses of the other sets on the American fansites, who assume that all five will be at this size/price-point.

It reminded me that the third movie had redeco Dinobot Minicons... which I'm now thinking could be the "then" for Slug and Strafe, and packed with a Legions or CMDR size TF4 Dinobot toy, for the $25 price point.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Saying that "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics" are lost, is a ridiculous and blatantly incorrect generalisation for the TFWiki to make. Three BW Basic moulds are broken. The twenty-plus others are - as far as we know - perfectly fine.


^ Plus the fact that the Dinobot moulds have been lost rules out a G1 reissue.




I've never understood why they can't just examine the original toy and then build a new mold that would replicate it. It's like Megatron building all these doomsday weapons from the G1 cartoon. If the Autobots blow it up - just build another one!

These molds were created - surely they can be recreated can't they?

[DELTAprime]

I've never understood why they can't just examine the original toy and then build a new mold that would replicate it. It's like Megatron building all these doomsday weapons from the G1 cartoon. If the Autobots blow it up - just build another one!

These molds were created - surely they can be recreated can't they?

The problem is the expense. For a small run of reissues it's probably not worth recreating the moulds. According to toy makers moulds are expensive to mill. I'm a little skeptical of the expense of milling.

[BigTransformerTrev]

The problem is the expense. For a small run of reissues it's probably not worth recreating the moulds. According to toy makers moulds are expensive to mill. I'm a little skeptical of the expense of milling.


Ah, fair enough

[Bidoofdude]

Sucks it's not G1 Grim, hope at least Slag's G1 mould will be used for his.

[Sky Shadow]

Sucks it's not G1 Grim, hope at least Slag's G1 mould will be used for his.

We can 100% guarantee that it won't be G1 Slag in a $24.99AU two-pack.

[Paulbot]

Employee 1: "We're out of G1 Slags but we've got lots of Universe Backstops"

Employee 2: "Eh, close enough"

[kup]

The problem is the expense. For a small run of reissues it's probably not worth recreating the moulds. According to toy makers moulds are expensive to mill. I'm a little skeptical of the expense of milling.

I am not convinced of this since the KOers can do it so easily at acceptable (matching with current reissues) levels of quality.

I say they just couldn't be assed. Yeah it cost money to recreate the mold but regardless of the cost amount, they probably just won't do it because there is a cost.

I am sure the people who made 'Bommander' Grimlock have less monetary resources to recreate a mold than Hasbro.

[Bidoofdude]

We can 100% guarantee that it won't be G1 Slag in a $24.99AU two-pack.

Wishful thinking on my part, hope Takara pulls something with recreating the original moulds. :( Give me G1 Slag with G1 painted Gens Slug, I'd buy 2. Something chronicle-esque would be great.

[Paulbot]

What if in some bizarre mistake in ordering from the factory, instead of a G1 Slag with Slug, they re-release G1 Slog (hopefully with less GPS) ;)

[Gofigure]

I have read of the Hasbro CEO at the time, Stephen Hassenfeld posing with a few Slags (behave) for a photoshoot in '84, but that doesnt hold much water for determining his release date when you consider the variables behind it.

The 1984-2014 branding is just another reminder of how old the franchise is :)

We have all posed with one or two Slags in our time also if we are being completely honest ;)

[DELTAprime]

I am not convinced of this since the KOers can do it so easily at acceptable (matching with current reissues) levels of quality.

I say they just couldn't be assed. Yeah it cost money to recreate the mold but regardless of the cost amount, they probably just won't do it because there is a cost.

I am sure the people who made 'Bommander' Grimlock have less monetary resources to recreate a mold than Hasbro.

We know from the recent interview with Shogo Hasui that until recently even the MP line which is produced in large numbers and very popular wasn't produced in big enough numbers to do one off moulds like Smokescreen and Wheeljack. I'm guessing for the older MP's like MP-01/04 they planed in advance to reissue him many times over the years.

Also I bet the smaller companies use cheaper moulds. When I was looking into the toy making process a couple of weeks ago I found that high end toy moulds require special CNC machines and tools because of the fine details and then a person has to finish off the mould with even finer details. As for material you can get away with using lead, which is cheaper but the higher end moulds use a harder more durable metal which I've unfortunately forgotten the name of.

I think we should be a little skeptical about how much it actually cost, but realise that it isn't cheap.

[DELTAprime]

We have all posed with one or two Slags in our time also if we are being completely honest ;)

And thats why we can't call him Slag anymore, even tho the name is obviously from:

slag |slag|
noun
1 [ mass noun ] stony waste matter separated from metals during the smelting or refining of ore. the burning liquid iron was forming a scum of slag.
• stony material ejected by a volcano; scoria. [ count noun ] : flow after flow of lava, slags, powders, and ejecta cast upon the previous outpourings in grotesque patterns.

[Sky Shadow]

We know from the recent interview with Shogo Hasui that until recently even the MP line which is produced in large numbers and very popular wasn't produced in big enough numbers to do one off moulds like Smokescreen and Wheeljack.

I'm not sure that you mean Smokescreen, but the argument (whether true or false) has always been that the reason why Takara/Tomy can't recreate old G1 moulds as easily as bootleggers do is because the production numbers on official reissue lines are far greater than those of knockoffs, and would wear out cheaper moulds.

[DELTAprime]

I'm not sure that you mean Smokescreen, but the argument (whether true or false) has always been that the reason why Takara/Tomy can't recreate old G1 moulds as easily as bootleggers do is because the production numbers on official reissue lines are far greater than those of knockoffs, and would wear out cheaper moulds.

^I should run my thoughts by you before I post, thats what I'm trying to say in my inelegant way.:p

As for Smokescreen, from interviews it sounds like they made a completely separate mould for him based on the MP-17/18 mould.

Back on topic... so we have Energon Grimlock as G1 Grimlock, who could they use for cheap rest of the G1 Dinobots?

[Sky Shadow]

As for Smokescreen, from interviews it sounds like they made a completely separate mould for him based on the MP-17/18 mould.

Wow - that's intriguing - I get that the head, shoulder/biceps, car modifications and weapons are different, but I assumed they'd use the same core mould for all the rest of him. It would indicate that they really are going to keep pimping out the new Masterpieces (which the upcoming rereleases of Sideswipe and Red Alert would also suggest.)


Back on topic... so we have Energon Grimlock as G1 Grimlock, who could they use for cheap rest of the G1 Dinobots?

If they're going really cheap, then the Mini-Cons Knockdown/Ironlunge/Stockade/Triceradon for Slug, while Strafe would be Swoop/Reptix/Windrazor/Rav.

[griffin]

The interview of the Designer from about a week ago, commented that the success of Prowl & Sideswipe moulds, allowed them to spend the extra money to make the extra parts or modifications to create Smokescreen.
I wonder if we'd have seen Smokescreen as just a straight recolour of Bluestreak otherwise, or would we just have not had Smokescreen without the modifications.

[BigTransformerTrev]

There will probably be some geewunner who thinks that's a G1 Grimlock.




I don't mind the Energon Grimlock mold, but I already have it and have no urge to get another. I like the G1 colours in robot form but those yellow forearms in T-Rex mode just wrecks it. An easy skip for me, I'll just be getting one of the biggest Grim movie toy they make, though cant remember if that's a voyager or leader class.

[GoktimusPrime]

G1 colours on Energon Grimlock is like putting lipstick on a pig. :p

[griffin]

An image of the Optimus 2-pack (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-masterpiece-47/toys-r-us-exclusives-optimus-2-pack-and-two-masterpiece-transformers-179548/) has apparently been found at an American ToysRUs, showing the Voyager Movie Optimus (in brighter, cartoon colours) for the "Now" figure, with what looks like the JP Hybrid Optimus for the "Then" figure.
If that is true, that is an unusual choice, but might appeal to those who never bought the THS (Transformers Hybrid Style) Optimus yet. It might justify the price of the set ($90 here - which is the equivalent of 2 Voyagers), but the THS Optimus is about the size of a CMDR class figure. It was really expensive because of the Diecast and all the detailing and accessories it came with. (so I don't think it will have anything other than the gun in this release, for that price-point)

That's the two large sets, which haven't been too inspiring... I wonder what will be in the three smaller sets.

[UltraMarginal]

that hybrid prime has never appealed to me, and I don't really like the more cartoony colours of the movie prime.

[Trent]

that hybrid prime has never appealed to me

Same. I've always thought it was highly overrated. The thing looks like arse in truck mode.

[ChlorHex]

Same. I've always thought it was highly overrated. The thing looks like arse in truck mode.

It's not too bad IMO... I appreciate the engineering and design for something done in such a small scale, it surely ticked a lot of boxes.
Quite surprised that it'll be available now under Hasbro... they're sure to ruin it with cheapo plastics and a nasty shade of colors...:mad:

[Bidoofdude]

Anything new on the other sets?

[ILikeSoundwave]

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys-products-30/transformers-age-of-extinction-strafe-and-slug-evolution-two-pack-official-images-179795/

[griffin]

I had guessed that the TF3 Dinobot Minicons would be used, but I didn't expect it to be paired with a Deluxe... for less than what the Deluxes are going to be here on their own. (and the deco looks to be the same as the regular DLX Dinos)

The 2-pack is supposed to be $25 at TRU here, but the movie Deluxes are expected to be $30.... so why pay $5 more and miss out on the Minicon.

[i_amtrunks]

The minicon fills up that large waster of space in the packaging too.

Bet these don't only go for $25, that would make no sense.

I must admit I had a good chuckle at all the idiots on other boards whinging that they are upset it wasn't a reissue G1 figure with the movie figure for $25!

[Sinnertwin]

I just want the minicons.
It doesn't make sense to me either, but they're still listed in their systems for $24.99. We'll find out soon enough

[reillyd]

I just want the minicons.
It doesn't make sense to me either, but they're still listed in their systems for $24.99. We'll find out soon enough

I have the min icons from their earlier release, and they are actually really cool toys

[Sinnertwin]

Images of Bumblebee set via TF Colombia FB.& Seibertron

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/official-images-transformers-age-of-extinction-tru-exclusive-bumblebee-evolution-twopack/30125/

[CBratron]

Except for moving the dino heads into position and unfurling his wings, does Strafe do anything to transform?:confused:

[griffin]

Images of Bumblebee set via TF Colombia FB.& Seibertron

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/official-images-transformers-age-of-extinction-tru-exclusive-bumblebee-evolution-twopack/30125/




That is an awful, awful Deluxe mould. It looks like an RPM figure, with the car mode standing up to reveal the robot underneath.
That should be an upcoming "Generations" Movie Deluxe as well, not one of the quick-change gimmick figures (which you could excuse the awful look of it).
I was expecting a recent Legends Bumblebee (more expecting the first "RTS" one), but was really expecting the black DLX TF4 Bumblebee, since Strafe and Slug looked to be straight from the first wave.

The Optimus T&N set is the only one left we haven't see official images of yet... and no official confirmation yet of which two toys will be in it.

[griffin]

I also think it is funny that this Bumblebee 2-pack, has a "large" Legends toy PLUS a mechtech weapon... yet will be cheaper than the DLX Bumblebee toy on its own.

A very rare occurrence for Hasbro to charge less than the combined value of the individual figures.

[Omega Metro]

The picture of that Bumblebee (old Camaro) on the packaging looks nothing like the actual toys Alt mode OR the robot mode. :confused:

[Sinnertwin]

The picture of that Bumblebee (old Camaro) looks nothing like the deluxe Alt mode OR the robot mode. :confused:

I think the artwork is from a instore promotion

The alt mode for Bumblebee is based on the 2014 version of the Camaro, which i think is a first

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=2014+AOE+Bumblebee+Camaro&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=uq1sU-68FY7fkgXk3ICoBQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=360&bih=601

[i_amtrunks]

If the colours look that bad and inconsistent in the (usually) photoshopped stock images, imagine how bad it will look in person! :rolleyes:

At least the simplified deluxe transformation looks pretty good, it's giving me a RTS Windcharger feel for reasons I am not 100% of. Much better for the kiddies than the last few movie versions.

[griffin]

The alt mode for Bumblebee is based on the 2014 version of the Camaro, which i think is a first

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=2014+AOE+Bumblebee+Camaro&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=uq1sU-68FY7fkgXk3ICoBQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=360&bih=601


Yes, it is the first I've seen of that DLX TF4 Bumblebee toy, from the various announcements and official images so far.
The mis-matched yellows on the car mode isn't good... but that car bonnet at the back of the head, is something that I would hope folds back out of sight.