Who's Got the Biggest?

[TheDirtyDigger]

Ok boys...time to whip out the rulers and unzip your pa....OOOPS Wrong forum!:o
Sorry. My bad.:rolleyes:

Ok then...just so as to not waste the thread we at Ozformers would like to know who has the biggest collection of the collector's TF's---

The Binaltech/Alternator range

Please state your name/your total number/which figures you have and whether they are Alt, BT or custom and whether it is opened or MISB.

Example:

TheDirtyDigger
TOTAL: 15
Sideswipe/Alt/MISB
Rodimus/Alt/MISB
Meister/Alt/MISB
Rollbar/Alt/MISB
Nem Prime/Alt/MISB
Op Prime/Alt/MISB
Silverstreak/Alt/MISB
Bluestreak/Alt/Opened
Hound/Alt/Opened
Dead End/Alt/Opened
Starscream/Custom/Loose
Wheeljack/BT/MISB
Tracks Blue/BT/MISB
Tracks Yellow/BT/MISB
Laserwave/BT/MISB

[Paulbot]

Aww the first topic sounded more interesting, but anyway....

Paulbot
Total: 21
Smokescreen/Alt/Opened
Side Swipe/Alt/Opened
Autobot Hound/Alt/Opened
Silverstreak/Alt/Opened
Autobot Tracks/Alt/Opened
Meister/Alt/Opened
Swindle/Alt/MISB
Grimlock/Alt/Opened
Windcharger/Alt/Opened
Shockblast/Alt/MISB
Decepticharge/Alt/Opened
Prowl/Alt/Opened
Autobot Skids/Alt/Opened
Sunstreaker/Alt/MISB
Ricochet/Alt/Opened
Optimus Prime/Alt/Opened
Mirage/Alt/Opened
Nemesis Prime/Alt/MISB
Decepticon Rumble/Alt/Opened
Ravage - Jaguar XK/Alt/Opened
Rodimus - Ford GT/Alt/MISB

[iceburn]

Me has:

BT01 - Smokescreen #7 (MISB)
BT01 - Smokescreen #8 (MISB)
BT02 - Sideswipe (MISB)
BT03 - Streak (MISB)
BT04 - Hound (MISB)
BT05 - Dead End (MISB) x 2
BT06 - Yellow Tracks (MISB)
BT06 - Blue Tracks (MISB)
BT07 - Smokescreen #1 (MISB)
BT07 - Smokescreen #2 (MISB)
BT08 - White Meister (MISB)
BT08 - Red Meister (MISB)
BT09 - Swindle (MISB)
BT10 - Grimlock (MISB)
BT11 - Battle Ravage (MIB)
BT12 - Overdrive (MISB) x 2
BT13 - Laserwave (MISB)
BT14 - Wheeljack (MISB)
BT15 - Police Prowl (MISB)
BT15 - Blue Prowl (MISB)
BT16 - Skidz (MISB) x 2
BT17 - Nemesis Prime (MISB)
BT18 - Transparent Mirage (MISB)

Alternator Prowl (MISB)
Alternator Sunstreaker (MISB)
Alternator Ravage (MISB)
Alternator Rumble (MISB)
Alternator Rodimus (MISB) x 2
Alternator Nemesis Prime (MISB) x 2
Alternator Skids (MISB)
Alternator Rollbar (MISB)
Alternator Ricohet (MISB)
Alternator Optimus Prime (MISB)

Total - 38 (41, if including the BTAs)

Do we count Binaltech Asterisks? if yes, then BTA01 (MISB), BTA02 (MIB) and BTA03 (MISB)

[TheDirtyDigger]

Yes BTA Included Ice. Very impressive list as well.:)

[iceburn]

Yes BTA Inculed Ice. Very impressive list as well.:)

Thanks... :P. That's my best and fav lot of TFs so far

[Tober]

I've owned all of them except BT-17 as that was the reason why I stopped collecting BTs (except for BT-18)

I have/had about 10 Alt doubles and 4 BT doubles as well, plus all 3 BTAs and Kiss Plas would bring it to around 65-70...

I can't remember which are MIB or MISB offhand.

[GoktimusPrime]

BT01 - Smokescreen (#8)
BT02 - Sideswipe
BT03 - Bluestreak
BT04 - Hound
BT05 - Dead End
BT06 - Tracks (yellow)
BT06 - Tracks (blue)
BT08 - Jazz
BT08 - Zoom-Zoom
BT09 - Swindle
BT10 - Grimlock
BT11 - Ravage
BT12 - Overdrive
BT13 - Shockwave
BT14 - Wheeljack
BT15 - Prowl (police)
BT16 - Skids
BT18 - Ligier
(Total:18)

BTA-02 - Sunstreaker (w/ Junko)
(Total: 1)

Alternator DeceptiCharge
Alternator Optimus Prime
Alternator Nemesis Prime
Alternator Ravage
Alternator Rodimus
Alternator Wheeljack (been long procrastinating to repaint as ALT Slicer - should commission stencilator to do it)
(Total: 6)

and if KISS Players count...
Atari X Autrooper
Sundor
Glit
Rosanna
(Total: 4)

So grand total = 29

[gamblor916]

Ok I have:

BT01 - Smokescreen #8 loose
BT02 - Lambor loose
BT03 - Streak MISB
BT05 - Dead End Loose
BT06 - Tracks (yellow) Loose
BT06 - Tracks (blue) MISB
BT07 - Smokescreen #2 MISB
BT08 - Meister (Red) Loose
BT09 - Swindle Loose
BT10 - Grimlock Loose
BT11 - Battle Ravage MISB
BT12 - Overdrive MISB
BT13 - Laserwave MISB
BT14 - Wheeljack Loose
BT15 - Prowl (police) Loose
BT16 - Skids Loose

BTA-02 - Sunstreaker
BTA-03 - Broadblast

Alternator Smokescreen Loose
Alternator Sideswipe Loose
Alternator Streak 2 MISB 1 Loose
Alternator Hound Loose
Alternator Tracks Loose
Alternator Meister 1 MISB 1 Loose (in bits)
Alternator Shockblast Loose
Alternator Police Prowl Loose
Alternator Skids 1 MISB 1 Loose
Alternator Sunstreaker 2 MISB 1 Loose
Alternator Rollbar (MISB)
Alternator Ricochet Loose
Alternator Optimus Prime Loose
Alternator Mirage 1 MISB 1 Loose
Alternator Nemesis Prime MISB
Alternator Rumble Loose
Alternator Rodimus 1 MISB 2 Loose

Total 44

[iceburn]

ohhh stats are showing that collectors are getting both versions of the figures....

[dirge]

ohhh stats are showing that collectors are getting both versions of the figures....

People can come up with statistics to prove anything, Forty percent of all people know that -- Homer J. Simpson

Not me, BTW:

BT-01 Smokescreen (#8)
BT-02 Lambor
BT-03 Streak
BT-04 Hound
BT-05 Dead End
BT-06 Tracks (yellow)
BT-06 Tracks (blue)
BT-08 Meister (red)
BT-08 Meister (white)
BT-09 Swindle
BT-10 Grimlock
BT-11 Ravage
BT-12 Overdrive
BT-13 Laserwave
BT-14 Wheeljack
BT-15 Prowl (white)
BT-15 Prowl (vivid blue)
BT-16 Skids
BT-18 Rijie
BTA-02 Sunstreaker

Alternators Nemesis Prime
Alternators Decepticharge
Alternators Rodimus

Which gives me a total of 23, although I picked up an Alternators Dead End for his red shoulders (donated to Sunstreaker), so I technically have that somewhere. With yellow shoulders. (If someone wants it as a junker, I'm willing to part with it, but I'm keeping the shoulders!)

And there's no comparison. None of these Alternators are anywhere near as nice as the BTs.

[Kyle]

I collect BT, BTA and the Kiss cars. Missing #1 version of BT07.

AT: I only have Prime, Nemesis Prime and Rodimus.

[Borgeman]

I DO!

George

[Kyle]

Drool...

From my recent Hong Kong trip I have found it has become very diffcult to buy BTs there. Not many left in shops and they were all being sold at crazy prices.

[dirge]

I DO!

George

You wanna be more specific, George? :rolleyes:

[Kyle]

You wanna be more specific, George? :rolleyes:

I initially thought he's got the BT-07 #1 that I'm missing... :o

Now looking at the topic again... :D

[Borgeman]

You wanna be more specific, George? :rolleyes:

i could but then you would just edit my post :rolleyes:

George

Only for the sake of clarification :p -- dirge

[Tober]

[i]
And there's no comparison. None of these Alternators are anywhere near as nice as the BTs.

Half of them I could barely tell the difference. There are only a few that really stand out - and they are the WRCs.

And the finish on the 3 Kiss Pla are the nicest. :P It's what they should have done in the first place, but without the girls and bizzare storyline, and ridiculous mark-up.

[springah]

Aww the first topic sounded more interesting, but anyway....

haha, i knew it

[Fungal Infection]

I have:

BT-01 Smokescreen (#8)
BT-02 Lambor
BT-03 Streak
BT-04 Hound
BT-05 Dead End
BT-06 Tracks (yellow)
BT-06 Tracks (blue)
BT-07 Smokescreen GT (#1)
BT-08 Meister (red)
BT-08 Meister (white)
BT-09 Swindle
BT-10 Grimlock
BT-11 Ravage
BT-12 Overdrive
BT-13 Laserwave
BT-14 Wheeljack
BT-15 Prowl (white)
BT-15 Prowl (vivid blue)
BT-16 Skids

BTA-01 Alert
BTA-02 Sunstreaker
BTA-03 Broadblast

Kissplay Convoy
Kissplay Autorooper
Kissplay Rodimus

Alternators Nemesis Prime
Alternators Decepticharge
Alternators Mirage
Alternators Swerve
Alternators Camshaft
Alternators Riccochet
Alternators Rumble
Alternators Ravage (Jag)
Alternators Rollbar

All opened for a total of 34.

[benben2142]

benben2142
1
Alternator rodimus

[The_Damned]

here is a list of the Misb alts i have 25 intotal

1. Smokescreen - Subaru Impreza WRC (#8 only)
2. Side Swipe - Dodge Viper
3. Autobot Hound - Jeep Wrangler
4. Silverstreak - Subaru Impreza WRX
5. Autobot Tracks - Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06
6. Dead End - Dodge Viper
7. Meister (aka Autobot Jazz) - Mazda RX-8
8. Swindle - Jeep Wrangler
9. Grimlock - Ford Mustang GT
10. Windcharger - Honda S2000
11. Battle Ravage - Chevrolet Corvette C5 Convertible
12. Shockblast - Mazda RX-8
13. Wheeljack - Ford Mustang GT
14. Decepticharge - Honda S2000
15. Swerve - Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06
16. Prowl - Acura RSX
17. Autobot Skids - Scion xB
18. Sunstreaker - Dodge Viper
19. Rollbar - Jeep Wrangler
20. Ricochet - Subaru Impreza WRX
21. Optimus Prime - Dodge Ram SRT-10
22. Mirage - Ford GT
23. Autobot Camshaft - Acura RSX
24. Nemesis Prime - Dodge Ram SRT-10 (SDCC 2006/Hasbro Toy Shop exclusive) (Labeled No. 24 on the box)
27. Rodimus - Ford GT (SDCC 2007/Hasbro Toy Shop exclusive) (Labeled Rodimus Prime on the instruction sheet)

[dirge]

Half of them I could barely tell the difference. There are only a few that really stand out - and they are the WRCs.


See, this is typical of Sandgropers who move to the east coast.... :p

[this is aimed at someone else, BTW. You know who you are!]

Seriously, I find most of the moulds are really designed with metal in mind, and the realism suffers when the weight is dropped. The colours are usually far less realistic (especially on Smokescreen and Meister). Hasbro also tends to cut out minor aspects to cut costs, like chromed side mirrors and the like.

Considering that BTs sold for a very similar price in Japan to the RRP of Alternators in Australia, I find they're chalk and cheese.

[liegeprime]

Considering that BTs sold for a very similar price in Japan to the RRP of Alternators in Australia, I find they're chalk and cheese.

I believe I heard that saying in one episode of Iron Chef... Mochi Battle to be precise hehehehe... chalk and cheese....

Only got Alts... lucky 13
in no particular order - couldnt be bothered cut and pasting...
Smokescreen #8
Sideswipe
Sunstreaker
Skids
Nemesis Prime
Silverstreak
Windcharger ( or is it overdrive, whatever)
Wheeljack
Tracks
Prowl
Jazz
and finally Rodimus :D

[gamblor916]

Considering that BTs sold for a very similar price in Japan to the RRP of Alternators in Australia, I find they're chalk and cheese.

Well you gotta remember the shocking QC of these things. My BT Meister has a large fingerprint embedded in the paint near the rear window and dust spots all over the finish.

[iceburn]

Well you gotta remember the shocking QC of these things. My BT Meister has a large fingerprint embedded in the paint near the rear window and dust spots all over the finish.

sheesh..gamblor, that really sukz...
well, i'll never find out about mine

[GoktimusPrime]

it's probably a bit late now, but next time contact Takara. They actually will listen if your toy has a manufacturing fault.

[Saintly]

ALT Nemesis Prime
ALT Rodimus

BTA02 Sunstreaker

Total = 3 :)

[1orion2many]

:)It's taken a while but here is what I have in Alts and BT's

BT01 - Smokescreen #7 (MISB)
BT02 - Lambor (MISB)
BT03 - Streak (MISB)
BT04 - Hound (MISB)
BT05 - Dead End (MISB)
BT06 - Yellow Tracks (MISB)
BT10 - Grimlock (MIB)
BT11 - Battle Ravage (MISB)
BT12 - Overdrive (MISB)
BT13 - Laserwave (MISB)
BT14 - Wheeljack (MISB)
BT15 - Blue Prowl (MISB)
BT16 - Skidz (MISB)

Alt Dead End (MISB)
Alt Meister (MISB)
Alt Windcharger (MISB)
Alt Battle Ravage (MISB)
Alt Shockblast (MISB)
Alt Rumble (MISB)
Alt Wheeljck (MISB)
Alt Decepticharge (MISB)
Alt Rodimus (MISB)
Alt Nemesis Prime (MISB)
Alt Rollbar (MISB)
Alt Optimus Prime (MIB)

BTA-01 Alert (MISB)
BTA-02 Sunstreaker (MISB)
BTA-03 Broadblast (MISB)

and one pervy Kissplayer Autorooper:D.
Total- 29:)

[zzyss]

Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, but it's interesting that it died before BT was officially concluded, so it'd be interesting to see where everybody's at now...

Here's mine:

Binaltech (100% complete)
BT01 - Smokescreen #7 (MISB)
BT01 - Smokescreen #8 (MISB)
BT02 - Sideswipe (MISB)
BT03 - Streak (MISB)
BT04 - Hound (MISB)
BT05 - Dead End (MISB)
BT06 - Tracks Millennium Yellow (MISB and opened)
BT06 - Tracks LeMans Blue Metallic (MISB)
BT07 - Smokescreen #1 (MISB)
BT07 - Smokescreen #2 (MISB)
BT08 - Meister Crystal White Pearl (MISB)
BT08 - Meister Velocity Red Mica (MISB)
BT09 - Swindle (MISB)
BT10 - Grimlock (MISB and opened)
BT11 - Ravage (MISB)
BT12 - Overdrive (MISB)
BT13 - Laserwave (MISB)
BT14 - Wheeljack (MISB)
BT15 - Prowl Patrol Type (MISB)
BT15 - Prowl Vivid Blue Pearl (MISB)
BT16 - Skids (MISB)
BT17 - Nemesis Prime (MISB)
BT18 - Ligier (MISB)
BT19 - Bluestreak (MISB)
BT20 - Argent Meister (MISB)
BT21 - Arcee (MISB)
BT22 - Convoy (MISB)

Binaltech Asterisk (100% complete)
BTA-01 - Alert meets Ai (MISB)
BTA-02 - Sunstreaker meets Junko (MISB)
BTA-03 - Broadblast meets Lumina (MISB)

Alternators (um...)
Alt - Smokescreeen (opened)
Alt - Rumble (opened)
Alt - Ravage (opened)

Kiss Players (1/4)
Kiss Players - Hot Rodimus x Syao Syao (opened)

[drifand]

http://i58.tinypic.com/30i9cef.jpg


I still cant get a clean pic unfortunately

[BigTransformerTrev]

Not sure which are Alternators and which are binaltech - is there much difference? Anyway, I have:

Optimus Prime
Rodimus
Grimlock
Sideswipe
Sunstreaker
Hound
Meister
Smokescreen
Silverstreak
Wheeljack
Tracks
Arcee
Skids
Ricochet
Prowl

Shockwave
Dead End
Swindle
Nemesis Prime
Decepticharge


The only of the lot that is MISB is Skids - no particular reason.

[drifand]

Not sure which are Alternators and which are binaltech - is there much difference? Anyway, I have:

Optimus Prime
Rodimus
Grimlock
Sideswipe
Sunstreaker
Hound
Meister
Smokescreen
Silverstreak
Wheeljack
Tracks
Arcee
Skids
Ricochet
Prowl

Shockwave
Dead End
Swindle
Nemesis Prime
Decepticharge


The only of the lot that is MISB is Skids - no particular reason.

Binaltech are metal parts involved.

[Sinnertwin]

lol still comparing boys? :D

[Zommael]

I only have two, BT-7 Smokescreen and BT Arcee. I used to have more but I got rid of them.

[drifand]

Ah, I learned something today :)

In that case Wheeljack, Arcee and Rodimus are definitely Binaltech. Would have to dig the others out to check

on the note Rodimus never made it to Binaltech. It became plastic in the big jp box style.

If you examine close enough you realised this.

[drifand]

lol still comparing boys? :D

nah...I do feel they are my primary display than my masterpieces though.

[autobreadticon]

DirtyD aka poo on a shoe , where he at?

[drifand]

I am actually looking for a cheap RX8 in silver.

[GoktimusPrime]

Lessee, since I last posted here on January 2008, my BT/ALT collection has grown by a whopping...

drum roll

2 :p

What changed?
* Offloaded ALT Wheeljack (still have BT Wheeljack :))
* Offloaded Decepticharge
* Acquired a BT Arcee (7 months after my last post ;))
* Acquired a BTA Broadblast (replacing the one which was stolen in '05; still haven't replaced the stolen BTA Alert though :o)
* Acquired ALT Mirage (found it last year at SupaNova at RRP! :D)
* Acquired ALT Grimlock (free via Pay It Forward :o)

I don't actively back-collect toys, so it's unlikely that my BT/ALT will grow unless I happen to find any that I want at RRP or less (as I did w/ ALT Mirage and Grimlock last year). Considering that my BT/ALT collection has only grown by 2 figures in the past 7 years, I'd say that the growth is pretty negligible. :o

[Jetfire in the sky]

I love ALT's/BT's and my list is growing as I try to complete the two lines but I'm not into peeing comps so no numbers or lists for me :p
I will say though that one of the main reasons I love them is because their scale to MP-01 and their modern day vehicle mode with a mostly good robot mode homage to their G1 namesake (mostly).
IMHO they are the DNA to our great Masterpiece line that we enjoy today, also I think that BT is better than Alt's but some may argue otherwise (I don't play with mine so paint chips are no problem)

[GoktimusPrime]

The thing that I still really love about Binaltechs is that it is still - IMHO - the best TF line when it comes to being robots in disguise. I love Masterpieces too, but for entirely different reasons. I love MPs because they're fantastic interpretations of the G1 cartoon robots with licensed 80s vehicle modes; but I love Binaltech because they're more recent model cars with an incredible about of detail in their vehicle modes! :eek: Detailed interiors (steering wheel, air con vents, glove box, airbag panels, gear stick, speedo/odometers, parking brake handle, indicator/wiper stalks, bonnets that open to reveal engines, boots that can open, working rack and pinion steering et al.); and they transform into fully articulated robots with self-contained weapons/accessories to boot! :D This isn't a criticism against MPs as 'translating' those reality-defying G1 cartoon models into actual toys is no easy feat, and each MP continues to impress me. But I really love how I can look at my Binaltechs and suspend disbelief that they're transforming robot action figures and allow myself to regard them as model cars.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/bt_smokescreencompar_zpswfgy84wb.jpg
^Real life vehicle (top left) & BT Smokescreen

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/Masterpiece%20Nissan/mp_nissansbt1_zps69717b61.jpg
^Binaltech and Masterpiece; both great lines in their own right :)


also I think that BT is better than Alt's but some may argue otherwise (I don't play with mine so paint chips are no problem)
I've only ever experienced chipping w/ BT Smokescreen and a little bit of chipping on BT Tracks (specifically the bonnet tabs which connect with each other (thus rubbing directly against each other)). The paint quality from BT2 onwards has actually been really good. :cool:

[Jetfire in the sky]

The thing that I still really love about Binaltechs is that it is still - IMHO - the best TF line when it comes to being robots in disguise. I love Masterpieces too, but for entirely different reasons. I love MPs because they're fantastic interpretations of the G1 cartoon robots with licensed 80s vehicle modes; but I love Binaltech because they're more recent model cars with an incredible about of detail in their vehicle modes! :eek: Detailed interiors (steering wheel, air con vents, glove box, airbag panels, gear stick, speedo/odometers, parking brake handle, indicator/wiper stalks, bonnets that open to reveal engines, boots that can open, working rack and pinion steering et al.); and they transform into fully articulated robots with self-contained weapons/accessories to boot! :D This isn't a criticism against MPs as 'translating' those reality-defying G1 cartoon models into actual toys is no easy feat, and each MP continues to impress me. But I really love how I can look at my Binaltechs and suspend disbelief that they're transforming robot action figures and allow myself to regard them as model cars. :

I couldn't have put it better myself and as much as I love the MP line, initially with the re-scale at MP-10 (or 9 depending on your POV) I was so disappointed, but I now happily accept and understand it. Rubber tyres would be nice though :p ;)

[liegeprime]

From 13 in 2008 , It's now 23 figures - 21 are Alts and 1 BT. Does Alternity count here as well? Coz if it does I've got only 2. I always thought Alternity was what the BT storyline evolved into...

All loose

BT Acree

Alt Wheeljack
Alt Prowl
Alt Grimlock
Alt Blue Tracks
Alt SKids
Alt Hound
Alt Sideswipe
Alt Sunstreaker
Alt Smokescreen (8)
Alt SilverStreak
Alt Ricochet
Alt (or is it BT) Mirage
Alt Rodimus
Alt Windcharger (or Overdrive)
Alt Jazz
Alt Nemesis Prime
Alt Ravage - Jaguar type
Alt Rumble
Alt Swindle
Alt Dead End
Alt Decepticharge
Alt Shockblast

Alternity Bumblebee
Alternity Cliffjumper
http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah155/liegeprime1/Transformers%20Stuff/DSC06838_zpsjawjtskw.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/liegeprime1/media/Transformers%20Stuff/DSC06838_zpsjawjtskw.jpg.html)

well that's it.

[drifand]

This was my biggest disappointment in mp line, is now where near this style and quality. This was what brought me back into Transformers, and sadly mp line is starting to fade out for me.

Smokescreen paint apps are just so way out of the chart. Sadly no diecast versions of the Ford GT. Was surprised they didn't do a Frenzy version as Rumble was there. I like this line so much that I be keeping it as a main display.

[UltraMarginal]

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l541/UltraMarginal/UltraMarginals%20Transformers%20collection/Forum%20Photos/20150308_194726_zpsf77hrduc.jpg

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l541/UltraMarginal/UltraMarginals%20Transformers%20collection/Forum%20Photos/20150308_221835_zpsyyktwsfc.jpg

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l541/UltraMarginal/UltraMarginals%20Transformers%20collection/Forum%20Photos/20150308_221922_zpsxk2iwy4l.jpg
I have a second Jazz somewhere in storage still MISB,


http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l541/UltraMarginal/UltraMarginals%20Transformers%20collection/Forum%20Photos/20150308_222005_zpsdnsu0jyi.jpg
I found Deadend since taking these photos in another storage container.

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l541/UltraMarginal/UltraMarginals%20Transformers%20collection/Forum%20Photos/20150308_221735_zpsw4og3eql.jpg

Only Skids and Arcee are MISB all the others are just stored in their boxes for safe keeping.


This is THE line that got me back into collecting after many years hiatus after G1/G2. If they decided to pick this line back up any time soon I'd be pretty happy.
While they are often on the fiddley side this line is the closest thing to representing what a true robot in disguise might look like in todays world in both modes.