Planet X vs Fansproject not-Sludge

[Gasaraki]

PLANET X NEPTUNE

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/iling79/Neptune.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/iling79/media/Neptune.jpg.html)


FANSPROJECT COLUMPIO & DERPAN

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/iling79/Columpio.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/iling79/media/Columpio.jpg.html)




Oh dear... what am I going to do?? Here I thought I was set for a bunch of Dinobots having started to invest in Planet X's line with Caelus... but now FP has gone and thrown a serious spanner in the works!! No doubt this sudden output and competition owes no small amount to AoE...

So... looks like they're near the same size scale, and near the same price too (from BBTS and TFsource so far). Planet X sticking to their guns and going with the FoC aesthetic (which for me is near acceptable for a CHUG stand in) whilst FP are going more for an updated G1 style.

What a difficult choice that is!! Do I stick with PX (using FoC Voyager Grimlock) and end up spending around $350-400 to get 5 core Dinobots (or probably closer to $450 if getting their Grimlock)? Or should I switch to FP and look to spend probably at least $500 to get 5 Dinobots and abandon the current ones I have? Or go all out to get both, looking at $1000 all up! :eek:

I think I'm gonna be nutting this out for a while...

[ChlorHex]

I'd stick with FP as you're looking at proven quality and awesome designs IMO.
Planet X's not-Sludge isn't hiding his robot form that well in dino mode when compared to FP's.
Alternatively, you've got the cheaper TFC Chinese dinobots that combine and will set you back less than a hundred bucks shipped :D

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Isn't there another set of not-Dinobots incoming as well?

I'm not sure, but I think there's about 5, maybe 6 different groups planning them atm.:rolleyes:
Maybe wait a while and see what else people come out with.

Oh yeah, and current best guess for the FP LER-05 is Slapper (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Slapper_%28Dinobots%29).

For my part, I might grab an updated Snarl if one of them really blows me away (heck, if they do an affordable good G1-esque deco of the AoE Snarl I might even bite on that), will definitely want a new Sludge to replace my broken G1 (well, reissue) one, probably Fanstoys since I want him to be big, and I imagine I'll fork out for a Paddles and maybe Slapper as well. I'm sticking with Animated for the other three.

[Oberon Sexton]

I think the Fansproject set are meant to bigger than the FoC Grimlock voyager.

[reillyd]

I should think there's an easy solution to this dilemma. Continue with your FoC aesthetic started with Caelus, and on the next shelf display Fansproject G1 dinosaurs!

[Gasaraki]

Isn't there another set of not-Dinobots incoming as well?

I'm not sure, but I think there's about 5, maybe 6 different groups planning them atm.:rolleyes:

For my part, I might grab an updated Snarl if one of them really blows me away (heck, if they do an affordable good G1-esque deco of the AoE Snarl I might even bite on that), will definitely want a new Sludge to replace my broken G1 (well, reissue) one, probably Fanstoys since I want him to be big, and I imagine I'll fork out for a Paddles and maybe Slapper as well. I'm sticking with Animated for the other three.

I haven't heard of yet another non-Dinobots... that's quite a lot!! So... FansToys, Planet X, FP, TFC, and more yet!?

I have toyed with the idea of mixing lines to make up a set of Dinobots but I'm unsure about that... still probably leaning toward getting a unified aesthetic.


I think the Fansproject set are meant to bigger than the FoC Grimlock voyager.

Going by recent 3rd party history, a $100 figure can generally be expected to be just about Voyager size. MMC Feral Rex figures are examples of such, as is Warbot Revolver (although that's $90). If PX is doing a smaller scale than FP and asking the same price, that's gonna be a bad move. My bet is that these two figures are going to be quite comparable in size... roughly Voyager, perhaps Ultra.


I should think there's an easy solution to this dilemma. Continue with your FoC aesthetic started with Caelus, and on the next shelf display Fansproject G1 dinosaurs!

:) I wish I could of course... but just not in a position to automatically be able to fork out near $1000 for both sets...

[Gofigure]

Buy them. Buy them all!!!!!

Seriously though I feel your pain. All the teasers hitting us at the moment has me pretty excited. So much damn dinobot action. And nothing even vaguely AOE it's all G1 and FOC inspired. Love it :)

[CBratron]

I think I'll get both and ditch the Masterpiece scaled ones.

[SuspectimusPrime]

:) I wish I could of course... but just not in a position to automatically be able to fork out near $1000 for both sets...

Probably best to stick to one. I'm guessing it might take another 18 months to release the entire 6-figure set for the FP-LER line. However, since you're an avid CHUG-scale collector, I'm guessing you won't be able to turn away from all the awesome third party combiners and city-bots.

If you're serious about collecting both lines, I'd go with FP first, as it is the more difficult of the two when swallowing after-market prices.

[reillyd]

:) I wish I could of course... but just not in a position to automatically be able to fork out near $1000 for both sets...

Do you REALLY need two functioning kidneys? That's a luxury we can all live without. Just like having a perfect credit history and a clean criminal record. They're Dinobots!

[Oberon Sexton]

Do you REALLY need two functioning kidneys? That's a luxury we can all live without. Just like having a perfect credit history and a clean criminal record. They're Dinobots!

...It's not like I wanted to eat this month anyway.

[Gasaraki]

Probably best to stick to one. I'm guessing it might take another 18 months to release the entire 6-figure set for the FP-LER line. However, since you're an avid CHUG-scale collector, I'm guessing you won't be able to turn away from all the awesome third party combiners and city-bots.

If you're serious about collecting both lines, I'd go with FP first, as it is the more difficult of the two when swallowing after-market prices.

Yeah I have to agree 18 months sounds about right!! Thanks for the thoughts... I certainly do find FP after-market prices to be ludicrous at times, whilst PX is essentially unproven. After looking at the pics more and taking other comments into account, I'm leaning toward FP. Have placed a preorder for Columpio now on BBTS but hope to wait for early video reviews before committing. Worse comes to worse I can burn $100 on sampling this figure I guess.

A little off-topic but yes I definitely have an avid interest in the 3rd party combiners on offer - my picks are FP Bruticus (one of the first), FP Superion (happy enough with this), MT Green Giant, FP Menasor, MMC Predaking, and to-be-released MT Defensor. Have drawn the line on the series with Headmasters, therefore won't be getting the MT Scorponok. Plenty happy enough with Hasbro Metroplex, and hoping someone will do a Trypticon sometime (please!!!??).


Do you REALLY need two functioning kidneys? That's a luxury we can all live without. Just like having a perfect credit history and a clean criminal record. They're Dinobots!

:D:D:D I love it... need to take some lessons on priorities from you!!

[STL]

It's very unfortunate for Planet X that a long-term winner like FP came along.

I have nothing bad to say about Planet X. Their work on WFC Omega Supreme is amazing. It's one of my favourite third party toys ever. Reviews of their Caelus are equally glowing and it's on my to get list. The quality is top notch and surpasses even many FP and Maketoys.

I'll definitely be getting both but I feel a great deal of sympathy for them as they do deserve some recognition for their great work but their speed of releases has been to slow to build up good will. Maybe if they had done WFC Omega Supreme later people would have bit easier once they knew the quality they were going to get.

[Tfiguy]

I had no idea that there were so many brands releasing them...I'd only seen Fanstoys Dibots. I'm really am a sucker for G1 theme and they do a fantastic job. Hopefully they learn from Scoria to apply that bit more time into their toys before their release and make sure the qc issues are ironed out. At least they were quick to jump onto it and announce the replacement parts..

[reillyd]

Just received the TFCon version of Fansproject Sludge. Columpio is cool, but with a diaclone pilot as well? AWESOME.

He can even fit in the cockpit if you turn the gold point bits around (they rotate, to reveal the cockpit). I wish the others got diaclone drivers, or they were sold separately

[kup]

I like Planet X but I am afraid that FP Dinobots win for me. I already have the Planet X Swoop and it is awesome but FP looks to be better so will be going for that team.

I will of course support Planet X in other ventures they set out to do and who knows, I may feel like getting their Slag from them.

What they should do is a proper FOC Prime and Megatron.

[reillyd]

Crap. Another third party set of Dinobots (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/gcreations-shura-king-dinobots-combiner-team-180931/), that this time can combine. But I want them all!

[kup]

Crap. Another third party set of Dinobots (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/gcreations-shura-king-dinobots-combiner-team-180931/), that this time can combine. But I want them all!

To me, combining dinobots are more of a deterrent than a plus.

[spiderken17]

Never heard of them. I'll be sticking to the known manufacturers

[Bidoofdude]

Crap. Another third party set of Dinobots (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/3rd-party-unlicensed-41/gcreations-shura-king-dinobots-combiner-team-180931/), that this time can combine. But I want them all!

This is really getting out of hand. They're just jumping on the hype train. We're getting FOC Dinobots from Planet X, MP Dinobots from Fans Toys (or Giga toys) and G1 Dinobots from that other 3P. All bases covered. Fansproject is fine, if you like their style, but no more please! We're at a point where third parties are just churning out shitty designs to get on the hype train. Don't mean to sound like a negative nancy, but I saw the GCreations Sludge today (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/japanese-transformers-40/gcreations-srk-01-sludge-prototype-images-180966/) and he just looks crap to me. They need to slow down.

[Lord_Zed]

This is really getting out of hand. They're just jumping on the hype train. We're getting FOC Dinobots from Planet X, MP Dinobots from Fans Toys (or Giga toys) and G1 Dinobots from that other 3P. All bases covered. Fansproject is fine, if you like their style, but no more please! We're at a point where third parties are just churning out shitty designs to get on the hype train. Don't mean to sound like a negative nancy, but I saw the GCreations Sludge today (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/japanese-transformers-40/gcreations-srk-01-sludge-prototype-images-180966/) and he just looks crap to me. They need to slow down.

I have to disagree with such sentiments, I think this sludge looks pretty decent all things considered, I prefer the FP one myself for certain, but I think they have covered all the basics with this design, G1 look: check, size: check, articulation : check. he looks decently solid, I hardly think they designed and prototyped this whole toy in the paltry amount of weeks that have passed since the other CHUG style Dinobots were announced at TFCON.

For years now we fans have been nagging Hasbro and the the third parties to make dinobots! And all these 3rd parties have seen how much we wanted them and obliged. Now when I look at some of the other forums around and it's all whinge whinge whinge, about getting exactly what they wanted. I don't begrudge all these 3rd parties for releasing variation of the same characters, I think its nice that our voices were heard. If anything I feel sorry for some of them as I'm not sure the market will be able to sustain so many Dinobots. Still for us the fans I think having choice and their being competition between 3rd parties is a great thing.

Sure it's frustrating to get multiples of certain characters when there are still other characters out there we want toys of, and it would certainly be convenient to have all the 3rd parties working in unison, but then then we'd just get another Hasbro IE: "You want a AOE Lockdown, well your only option is this cheap ass one we made, so suck it". I welcome all this 3P competition, and prefer to dwell on the positive, that the desires of fans have finally been answered, albeit possibly with too much of a good thing.

Well that's enough of my ranting, hopefully in future we will have some nice Seacon and Targetmaster wars. :)

[Bidoofdude]

I have to disagree with such sentiments, I think this sludge looks pretty decent all things considered, I prefer the FP one myself for certain, but I think they have covered all the basics with this design, G1 look: check, size: check, articulation : check. he looks decently solid, I hardly think they designed and prototyped this whole toy in the paltry amount of weeks that have passed since the other CHUG style Dinobots were announced at TFCON.

For years now we fans have been nagging Hasbro and the the third parties to make dinobots! And all these 3rd parties have seen how much we wanted them and obliged. Now when I look at some of the other forums around and it's all whinge whinge whinge, about getting exactly what they wanted. I don't begrudge all these 3rd parties for releasing variation of the same characters, I think its nice that our voices were heard. If anything I feel sorry for some of them as I'm not sure the market will be able to sustain so many Dinobots. Still for us the fans I think having choice and their being competition between 3rd parties is a great thing.

Sure it's frustrating to get multiples of certain characters when there are still other characters out there we want toys of, and it would certainly be convenient to have all the 3rd parties working in unison, but then then we'd just get another Hasbro IE: "You want a AOE Lockdown, well your only option is this cheap ass one we made, so suck it". I welcome all this 3P competition, and prefer to dwell on the positive, that the desires of fans have finally been answered, albeit possibly with too much of a good thing.

Well that's enough of my ranting, hopefully in future we will have some nice Seacon and Targetmaster wars. :)

I would love third parties to make some good Movie toys that we never got. What holes do we still have in Classics? You know what they should do, Sparkabots and Firecons. I'd buy them in a heartbeat.

[Sinnertwin]

What holes do we still have in Classics?

Terrorcons.
I'll be patiently waiting for the onslaught of official & third party offerings.

[Lord_Zed]

Yeah Terrorcons definitely, Targetmasters Seacons, Duocons, Monsterbots and Sparklers would be nice too finish of the 1987-88 CHUG style toys.

Pretenders would be good too, but how would they be executed? Strap on bio armour? I have a few ideas, but not sure any would be feasible.

[liegeprime]

Yeah Terrorcons definitely, Targetmasters Seacons, Duocons, Monsterbots and Sparklers would be nice too finish of the 1987-88 CHUG style toys.

Pretenders would be good too, but how would they be executed? Strap on bio armour? I have a few ideas, but not sure any would be feasible.

Id like Pretender's myself. If they can make something like the Mega Pretenders where both the shell and innerbot transforms and combines, that would be awesome... of course with today's standard of articulation. For regular Pretenders probably a fully poseable form with hollow body and the miniarticulated transformable robot (about the size of Gen Legends) sticks at the back like a backpack with some of the parts going in the torso of the shell that way we still have arm and legs articulation albeit we might have to have stocky shells again with limited to no hip articulation:o...

[kup]

This Frenzy_Rumble custom is an example of how I would want a 3P Pretender to be like in execution and style:

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/primoscustoms/Catilla/DSC03002.jpg

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/primoscustoms/Catilla/DSC03032.jpg

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb364/primoscustoms/Catilla/DSC03021.jpg

[Lord_Zed]

Nice custom, though I'd prefer to see more interaction between inner robot and shell in a actual 3p toy. the biggest problem I think is how to keep the inner robot and shell comparable sizes.

[SuspectimusPrime]

Columpio and Derpan has arrived with BBTS.

[kurdt_the_goat]

Argg just waiting on Sigma L before shipping my POL... If he's delayed long enough I might be inclined to add Cubrar/Slag to my POL as well! :p

[Slag]

I didn't think combining Dinobot was for me but i don't actually mind the image of the combined mode although it is very Predaking. Unfortunately i don't think they nailed it with the Not-Sludge. He doesn't look bulky enough. If they can combine ,that's great whatever, but you're always going to want to be able to display them individually (more often than not) I really want to get a set of 3rd party DB's but i might have to wait a bit longer to see how they turn out

:eek:That Catilla looks good.

[spiderken17]

With so many coming out I am going to wait for them all before deciding as well.
I'm thinking the CHUG sized ones as I like to keep my MP's as cartoon accurate as possible.

[M-bot]

I got Columpio (Fansproject not-Sludge) a few days ago and it's just beautiful. It's a simple transformation but still engineered beautifully and it's paint apps are fantastic. If Hasbro toys were this good, I'd be happy paying the $100-odd dollars Columpio cost. Possibly the best toy I've bought so far this year. I'll definitely be getting the rest of the Fansproject dinobots line.

[liegeprime]

The metallic tint on the paint of Columpio is really nice. Got mine just yesterday. still haven't opened it. Ill get to play with it more when Im on day off..

[Bidoofdude]

I really want to see Planet X's Slug. If I only purchase one third party figure, their FOC Slug will be it. Something about Fansproject's puts me off, though I'm not sure what.

[Paulbot]

I've only just noticed that Columpio doesn't have (much of) wings. It's still a nice looking Sludge but...

I don't know how I missed that for so long.

[reillyd]

I've only just noticed that Columpio doesn't have (much of) wings. It's still a nice looking Sludge but...

I don't know how I missed that for so long.

Wings on Sludge? Are you thinking of Swoop perhaps?

[Paulbot]

Wings on Sludge? Are you thinking of Swoop perhaps?

No, I mean Sludge. His beast mode's back opens up into wings in robot mode in both the toy (http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Sludge/sludge.htm) and cartoon model (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Sludgeg1.jpg). Colompio has them, but they are small and don't really show up in the pics.

Now I start to wonder if I'm the only person who thinks all the Dinobots (http://geekoutlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tumblr_static_dinobots.jpg) have 'wings'. Am maybe I am the only one who grew up thinking that's why the Dinobots can fly in robot mode when the other Autobots needed jetpacks. :o

[Sky Shadow]

Now I start to wonder if I'm the only person who thinks all the Dinobots (http://geekoutlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tumblr_static_dinobots.jpg) have 'wings'. Am maybe I am the only one who grew up thinking that's why the Dinobots can fly in robot mode when the other Autobots needed jetpacks. :o

It's as good a theory as any - maybe Prowl and Bluestreak could have been able to fly too. :)

[Hursticon]

No, I mean Sludge. His beast mode's back opens up into wings in robot mode in both the toy (http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Sludge/sludge.htm) and cartoon model (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Sludgeg1.jpg). Colompio has them, but they are small and don't really show up in the pics.

Now I start to wonder if I'm the only person who thinks all the Dinobots (http://geekoutlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tumblr_static_dinobots.jpg) have 'wings'. Am maybe I am the only one who grew up thinking that's why the Dinobots can fly in robot mode when the other Autobots needed jetpacks. :o

I always saw them as "Wings" too, just not the sort used for flight is all - More so as decorative or ornamental, sort of like those banners that the Chinese & Japanese used to adorn themselves with. ;)
(Not to mention the kibble had to go somewhere didn't it? :p)

[Bidoofdude]

No, I mean Sludge. His beast mode's back opens up into wings in robot mode in both the toy (http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Sludge/sludge.htm) and cartoon model (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Sludgeg1.jpg). Colompio has them, but they are small and don't really show up in the pics.

Now I start to wonder if I'm the only person who thinks all the Dinobots (http://geekoutlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tumblr_static_dinobots.jpg) have 'wings'. Am maybe I am the only one who grew up thinking that's why the Dinobots can fly in robot mode when the other Autobots needed jetpacks. :o

Dinobots need wings. It's part of their aesthetic. I always thought they could fly because they were built by the Autobots and thus were given better abilities than the others, who were Cybertronian-built.

[liegeprime]

I always saw them as "Wings" too, just not the sort used for flight is all - More so as decorative or ornamental, sort of like those banners that the Chinese & Japanese used to adorn themselves with. ;)
(Not to mention the kibble had to go somewhere didn't it? :p)

Like Capes or cloaks

[Oberon Sexton]

I wanna get one of these FoC/IDW dinobot lines, but I'm wondering which one scales best with Toyworld Orion and generations leader Jetfire. TW Orion is currently my go to Optimus for IDW, and I'm settling with leader Jetfire to avoid buying that DacaToys mess of a figure. Anyone have a suggestions?

[M-bot]

Now I've had a bit more time with Fansproject Columpio, I've noticed some things that aren't perfect.
- He's got some sharp bits of plastic either side of his head that can be a bit dangerous if you're not careful
- My Columpio's head/neck joint is a little loose. An easy enough fix.
- He doesn't hold his weapons very securely, perhaps a trade off for the finger articulation. The gun fits against his forearm reasonably well but the sword seems to clash with the forearm, forcing it forward on an angle, which is an issue since he can't hold the sword tightly to start with.
- The transformation of the rear dino legs to robot mode is almost non-existent - they just sort of hang out there. I remember the G1 toy being a little better in this regard.
- The robot feet kinda hang out of his back in Dino-mode, they don't secure very well.
- Drepan (the little partner dude who transforms into an axe/mace weapon) has the weapon handle hanging out of his back. Doesn't fold up, isn't hidden, just sticks out there.

On the positive side:
-The sculpt is just stunning. Intricate, appropriately detailed, bulky where he needs to be and very reminiscent of the G1 toy.
- The colours are gorgeous, deep and vibrant, with nice highlights and colour apps that break up the metallic grey nicely. No Hasbro grey in site!
- Awesome Dino-mode - looks like a mean fighter rather than a heavy, bloated lump.
- Great articulation - on par with an MP. Even Drepan has an impressive amount of articulation and detailing for such a small figure.

I totally agree with the sentiments about the 'wings.' Dinobots need wings. It's part of their aesthetic. Columpio has them, but they're not prominent, which is a shame. You can swivel a small part of the wings out to have them stick out a bit more, but it looks kinda funny when you do.

Others might be turned off by the metallic paint rather than chrome and gold chrome on the original Sludge - I think the SDCC exclusive version had gold chrome parts? - but I don't mind so much.

Overall I still think he's awesome and well worth the dollars.:)

[reillyd]

Am maybe I am the only one who grew up thinking that's why the Dinobots can fly in robot mode when the other Autobots needed jetpacks. :o

Now that you pointed it out, they do look like wings. Grimlock has them too!

[kurdt_the_goat]

Got my Columpio recently and now i've had him a bit, i'm not quite sure whether i'll get more. Maybe just my fav dinobots instead of a whole set now.

He's a bit kibble-heavy on the back and particularly the legs - owing to a pretty basic transformation. It feels very G1-like in that sense, there's really not a whole lot of clever engineering or anything, kind of old school. But he looks fantastic in both modes despite this - a great colour scheme, great detailing that isn't overdone, very well proportioned - it's kind of amazing such a simple transformation can get 2 great looking modes. The plastic quality is very high and i can't find even a tiny paint error.

His thighs are a little loose for the weight of his legs, though he can still pose fine, they probably would have been better as ratchets (which is odd, since the knees are ratchets). Mine can hold the sword well, but the gun - the handle seems like it was designed for a different fist altogether, it's not secure at all. Thankfully it can be placed in a few other spots, but it's a strange oversight.

Drepan leaves a lot to be desired though. Complaints have probably been heard already, mainly the inexplicable handle protruding from his back. Maybe they thought you could hold him by the handle and do a targetmaster puppet show or something. If anyone wants to buy my Drepan let me know :P

Overall i do like it, but i feel like maybe these were rushed a little; the visual appeal has benefitted, because it hasn't been over complicated through constant tweaking - but there's some basic oversights that could have been ironed out quite easily i think.

[STL]

Got my Columpio recently and now i've had him a bit, i'm not quite sure whether i'll get more. Maybe just my fav dinobots instead of a whole set now.

He's a bit kibble-heavy on the back and particularly the legs - owing to a pretty basic transformation. It feels very G1-like in that sense, there's really not a whole lot of clever engineering or anything, kind of old school. But he looks fantastic in both modes despite this - a great colour scheme, great detailing that isn't overdone, very well proportioned - it's kind of amazing such a simple transformation can get 2 great looking modes. The plastic quality is very high and i can't find even a tiny paint error.

His thighs are a little loose for the weight of his legs, though he can still pose fine, they probably would have been better as ratchets (which is odd, since the knees are ratchets). Mine can hold the sword well, but the gun - the handle seems like it was designed for a different fist altogether, it's not secure at all. Thankfully it can be placed in a few other spots, but it's a strange oversight.

Drepan leaves a lot to be desired though. Complaints have probably been heard already, mainly the inexplicable handle protruding from his back. Maybe they thought you could hold him by the handle and do a targetmaster puppet show or something. If anyone wants to buy my Drepan let me know :P

Overall i do like it, but i feel like maybe these were rushed a little; the visual appeal has benefitted, because it hasn't been over complicated through constant tweaking - but there's some basic oversights that could have been ironed out quite easily i think.

Totally agreed. I think of current FP lines the Function X and Warbot lines excite me. Everything else, not so much.

The new pics of the Planet X's Sludge and Snarl look amazing. Can't wait for them to release these.

[Lord_Zed]

I quite like Columpio, but he's not perfect. Despite his weaknesses I think he's a promising start though, as FP in the past have usually improved their lines on the run, At least when it comes to their Insections, Stunticons and Headmasters the first toy to be released is usually a bit rough around the edges, I'm expecting a bit more from the next one.