Which do you think is the best live action Transformers film?

[GoktimusPrime]

Among the current live action TF movies, which do you consider the best (or least worst)? ;)


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[Yongeltron]

I'm having trouble deciding between 1 and 4.

1 had the wow factor for the first live-action transformation, but 4 has the advantage of no annoying Shia LaBeouf constantly stuttering "no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no!!".

I guess I'll go with 4 as a better movie because it does't have all those distracting semi-protagonist human characters that plagued the first (e.g Lennox, Epps and that inexplicably Australian hacker girl). It's a slightly more focused story.

... also because GUN-FACE!!!:D

[Bartrim]

In order for me 1,4,3,2.

I don't mind Revenge of the Fallen, especially taking into consideration the fact that it was made on a 40 page script as opposed to a normal 160 page script due to the writers strike but I just can't stand Sams room mate. If I was there I would punched his face in within 30 seconds of meeting him.

[Sinnertwin]

In order for me 1,4,3,2.

Mine so far is 3,4,1,2.


I don't mind Revenge of the Fallen, especially taking into consideration the fact that it was made on a 40 page script as opposed to a normal 160 page script due to the writers strike but I just can't stand Sams room mate. If I was there I would punched his face in within 30 seconds of meeting him.

I'm going to add Wang and Shia to the "people i'd like to knock out in the Transformers franchise" too.

[DELTAprime]

TFTM gets worse for me every time I view it.

ROTF is by far the worst of them. Watch the directors commentary and special features on the Blu-ray to find out why.

DOTM works OK for me as a "turn off my brain and just enjoy the action" movie. It's still terrible but it is my favourite of them because of that.

AOE I really hate, its a train wreck because of the human parts. The Transformer parts are far better than anything in the other movies, they actually get a tiny bit of character development. I'm getting the Blu-ray mostly because it's a Transformers item, not because I like it.

[Yongeltron]

"AOE I really hate,"... "Im getting the Blu-ray mostly because it's a Transformers item, not because I like it."

:confused:

Buying something I literally hate just because it's Transformers is a collecting milestone I personally hope never to reach.

[5FDP]

My order would be 1, 3, 4, then 2. Why... probably because of the opening scene where Blackout destroys the army base and we get to see a Transformer in a live action movie for the first time. I had goosebumps!

[GoktimusPrime]

AoE does have the 2nd most coherent story of the films. TF1 is more coherent, but also more simple/straightforward. AoE is surprisingly quite coherent for a more complex attempt at a scifi epic. AoE is plagued by the whole "overbearing father" thing, as well as that completely unnecessary "Romeo & Juliet" scene. I'll be skipping that part every time on the DVD (I cringed each time I saw it in the cinema).

As for insignificant fleshlings^humans, AoE had that really annoying/useless Lucas Flannery*. As annoying as Wang was, at least he contributed to the story. Joshua Joyce** was like that too; totally annoying, but contributed to the plot.

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Leo and Lucas suffered more from the "Jar Jar" or "Daniel Witwicky" thing where most of their screen time was pretty useless, and they pretty much just do one thing to justify their existence in the story (but we have to suffer the rest of their useless time-wasting screen appearances just to get there). Wang's moment in the toilet was needlessly stupid, but it was important to advance the story (i.e. passing on information to Sam about the moon thing). Of course the blatant innuendo was completely needless. :rolleyes: At least Jerry Wang and Lucas Flannery had the decency to die. :p When I first saw Lockdown incinerate Lucas, my inside voice went, "YES!", and I mentally reached out to give Lockdown a high five. ;) Shane was also pretty useless after rescuing the others from the cornfields. Still, they could've just completely omitted him and just replaced him with a helpful/kind stranger who saw a family being pushed around by suits and offered to help. Or Rollbar (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Rollbar_(AOE)). ;)

AOE I really hate, its a train wreck because of the human parts. The Transformer parts are far better than anything in the other movies, they actually get a tiny bit of character development.
Optimus Prime was the only Transformer in AoE (or the entire film franchise) who saw character development in that film, as I recall. The other Transformers were all pretty much one-dimensional caricatures or zero-dimensional set pieces who didn't see any character development at all. Bumblebee, Drift, Bulkhound, Crosshairs, the Dinoknights, Galvatron etc. were all the same people at the end of the film as they were when we first see them. None of them experienced any change, other than Prime, who had to let go of his hate, forgive humanity, and learn how to give a truck again. ;)

I'm getting the Blu-ray mostly because it's a Transformers item, not because I like it.
I could apply this same rationale towards my entire interest towards the Transformers live action films in general. I wouldn't enjoy them half as much as I do if they weren't about Transformers. Having said that, the Transformers action in these films is pretty damn awesome. I feel that the Bay films and IDW comics are on the two extreme ends of what I would like to see in Transformers. Bay films have great TF action, but bugger all story. IDW comics have fantastic stories, but not enough TF action. :o IMHO the G1 Marvel Comics and Beast Wars were a lot better at striking that balance between great TF action + character-driven stories. :)

I agree with Bartrim's order; best to worst for me would be TF1, AOE, DOTM, ROTF. It seems that ROTF is at the bottom of everyone's preference list, which is interesting because ROTF is arguably the most visually spectacular (they crashed ILM's computers!). Proof that visual effects can't beat story-telling. ;)

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* Even having seen the film 3 times, I had to Google his name -- my brain just remembers him as "try-hard Texan hippie with Californian accent" or "wannabe Ninja Turtle" :p)
** Again, I just remember him as "Steve Jobs." That's how forgettable these human characters are. :rolleyes:

[Bidoofdude]

Easily the first. ;)

[Trent]

Having not yet seen AOE, I'm still confident that I can vote for 1 as my favourite. I completely agree with 5FDP in that the first scene with Blackout is still the single greatest scene in the movie franchise.
I don't collect movie figs but because of that scene I truly wish for a leader class Blackout :(

2 and 3 are just pure tripe. After 2 I decided not to ask anyone to go with me to see anymore because they are that bad and cringeworthy. After 3, I decided not to bother with them at the movies at all. Because of this, AOE will be a torrent job for me. I refuse to support such bad filmmaking.

[Yongeltron]

I completely agree with 5FDP in that the first scene with Blackout is still the single greatest scene in the movie franchise.
I don't collect movie figs but because of that scene I truly wish for a leader class Blackout :(
^
100% agree.

I actually got into collecting in the first place with movie toys when DoTM was already out. My girlfriend got me a Deluxe Space case (forward swept wings reminded me of a TF I had as a kid), so of course I needed an Autobot to stand up to him (DoTM deluxe Specialist Ratchet). It was a slippery slope from there.

Blackout was such a huge character and he opens the whole movie, yet he never got a leader class figure!:mad: I do love my little cyberverse Blackout with Scorponok:p, but I'd give my left nut for a good leader-class Blackout!

[ILikeSoundwave]

My order would be 4,1,3,2.

So yeah, Age of Extinction is my favourite.

[theshape]

Pacific Rim

[Trent]

Pacific Rim

Indeed.

[autobreadticon]

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[klystron]

1, 3, 2, 4.
Although the order might change after a couple of AoE rewatches. Hard to rank having seen first 3 multiple times and number 4 only once.
First one is still the best - largely for the initial "wow" factor. The first Blackout scene is still the best scene of the whole franchise. Puts a smile on my dial everytime.
(My second fav scene is OP VS Meggs/Screamer/Grindor in ROTF).

I know this for the live action flicks, but I'd be interested to know where people would rank the '86 cartoon movie in comparison.
(Me: 1, 3, (86TFM), 2, 4.

[ITZTRU]

I just couldn't wait for the 4th movie to end while watching in the cinemas. I hated it. I doubt I'll even "torrent" it.

While I hated RotF and was bashing the movie (especially Devastator) for the next few hours after watching it - I don't ever recall wanting it to hurry up and end during the movie.

That being said - and with previous statements of Blackout getting a special mention, I will say 1, 3, 2, 4.

[Trent]

1, 3, 2, 4.
Although the order might change after a couple of AoE rewatches. Hard to rank having seen first 3 multiple times and number 4 only once.
First one is still the best - largely for the initial "wow" factor. The first Blackout scene is still the best scene of the whole franchise. Puts a smile on my dial everytime.
(My second fav scene is OP VS Meggs/Screamer/Grindor in ROTF).

I know this for the live action flicks, but I'd be interested to know where people would rank the '86 cartoon movie in comparison.
(Me: 1, 3, (86TFM), 2, 4.


'86 movie slays all competition. In fact, there is no competition.


I just couldn't wait for the 4th movie to end while watching in the cinemas. I hated it. I doubt I'll even "torrent" it.

While I hated RotF and was bashing the movie (especially Devastator) for the next few hours after watching it - I don't ever recall wanting it to hurry up and end during the movie.

That being said - and with previous statements of Blackout getting a special mention, I will say 1, 3, 2, 4.

Both ROTF and DOTM dragged on for me. Multiple times throughout both movies I was glancing at my watch wondering when it would all end.

[Sinnertwin]

'86 movie slays all competition. In fact, there is no competition.


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[Sam]

I've only seen 1, 2 and 3, and rate them in that order.

[GoktimusPrime]

I just couldn't wait for the 4th movie to end while watching in the cinemas. I hated it. I doubt I'll even "torrent" it.
So... if Age of Extinction were a better film, you'd 'reward' the people who made it by downloading it rather than purchasing a copy? :confused: Unless you meant downloading as a temporary means until the movie becomes commercially available. :)

Disclaimer: I am not endorsing downloading films even for temporary ownership, but I do feel that there's an ethical difference between downloading content with the intention of it being your only copy, and doing it as a temporary means until you can get it legitimately. FWIW I personally do not own any copy of Age of Extinction, only ever seen it 3 times in cinemas, and I have every intention of purchasing the DVD when it comes out. :o

[Starscream77]

1,3,4,2
I voted 1 but it was quite close for me as I enjoyed 3. 1 takes it for me mainly due to being the first and like many have mentioned the opening Blackout scene rules. But I may be in the minority but I thought DOTM was decent

[Sinnertwin]

1,3,4,2
I voted 1 but it was quite close for me as I enjoyed 3. 1 takes it for me mainly due to being the first and like many have mentioned the opening Blackout scene rules. But I may be in the minority but I thought DOTM was decent

I really liked DoTM, except for the way some of the 'bots bit the bullet... like Starscream... :p ;)

[Starscream77]

I really liked DoTM, except for the way some of the 'bots bit the bullet... like Starscream... :p ;)

You had to go there didn't you!!!
At least he made 3 live action movies, it could have been worse and he not be deemed worthy like characters like say Sinnertwin :cool:

[Sinnertwin]

Ouch :(

:p

[ITZTRU]

So... if Age of Extinction were a better film, you'd 'reward' the people who made it by downloading it rather than purchasing a copy? :confused: Unless you meant downloading as a temporary means until the movie becomes commercially available. :)

Gok, let's not bother going into ethical differences. The simple fact is that there are people out there who download movies and music illegally every minute of the day. If you were going to give your 2 cents to every person you came across who downloaded music and movies trying to win an ethics battle, then good luck to you.

By the way, why doesn't Trent cop anything??


Because of this, AOE will be a torrent job for me. I refuse to support such bad filmmaking.

Sorry to drag you into this, Trent! :p:p:p

[Sharky]

Gok, let's not bother going into ethical differences. The simple fact is that there are people out there who download movies and music illegally every minute of the day. If you were going to give your 2 cents to every person you came across who downloaded music and movies trying to win an ethics battle, then good luck to you.

By the way, why doesn't Trent cop anything??



Sorry to drag you into this, Trent! :p:p:p

i think the the Movie Companies and the industry in general should wear alot of the blame for this oh and lets not forget the poor actors in the movies and the tiny wages they get.... Firstly the movies these days are over priced even digital only copies, and not to mention months or weeks delays in release to us here in Aus compared to the rest of the world..

if these companies were really bothered about illegal downloads you would see worldwide similtaneous releases for affordable prices and if you saw it at the cinema you should get a discount when purchasing a home copy.

anyway,


1st movies all the way. then i dont know what is next i really..

ROTF was ok some great fight scenes and some terrible terrible characters

DOTM i liked the story they were trying to tell but not sure if it really worked, RHW annoyed me as tid Shia..

and AOE i really didnt like the whole Knights angle and dinoponies but then i am also stuggling to remeber what i actually liked about it...

[Trent]

Gok, let's not bother going into ethical differences. The simple fact is that there are people out there who download movies and music illegally every minute of the day. If you were going to give your 2 cents to every person you came across who downloaded music and movies trying to win an ethics battle, then good luck to you.

By the way, why doesn't Trent cop anything??



Sorry to drag you into this, Trent! :p:p:p

That's ok :) . But I made my point crystal clear. I will not support the joke that the TF movie franchise has become by parting with my money. Now, I don't necessarily have to download AOE, I'm just as happy to wait until it is on TV. My life will not dramatically change if I have to wait a year to see a mediocre movie with ads.

[5FDP]

I download for the simple fact that a hard drive takes up less space than a shelf full of DVD's ;)

[GoktimusPrime]

By the way, why doesn't Trent cop anything??
Because Trent's standards makes sense to me. He's saying that a movie won't get his money if he doesn't like it, thus implying that he would pay for it if he did like it. You've said that if you don't like a movie, you won't even watch it (let alone pay for it), so does this mean that if you did like a movie you would download it (and still not pay for it)? :confused:

I can understand people not wanting to pay money for something they don't like. I'm just wondering what your standards are when it comes to films that you do like. :) In other words, what would your position be if Age of Extinction were a movie that you liked?

Then you have suckers like me who, despite not loving Age of Extinction, am still going to buy it at full price as soon as it comes out... just because it's 'Transformers'. :rolleyes: :p

[Bartrim]

The Blackout scene in the first movie was awesome but my favourite scene out all 4 movies was the arrival of the autobots in the first one. That made me feel like a kid again :o :D

[GoktimusPrime]

^Agree. :)

I think the strength of the first movie is how it captures the spirit of the first season of the G1 cartoon quite well. The story is simple and straightforward, but it works as a basic popcorn action roller-coaster flick. The sequels try and expand this scope and make things more complex, but just make a big mess in trying to do so. :rolleyes:

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[drifand]

1,4,2,3

In no 4, I still don't like the idea how Joshua becomes a good person suddenly. it felt really crap in some ways. How the new decpticon are revived are bad in the way they transform now.

No,3 is the worst because of that English girl who cant act and doesn't fit at all in the picture, no thanks to Spielberg decision to kick Fox out.

[GoktimusPrime]

No,3 is the worst because of that English girl who cant act and doesn't fit at all in the picture, no thanks to Spielberg decision to kick Fox out.
Yeah, but can you blame him? She compared Michael Bay with Adolf Hitler (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2005537/Steven-Spielberg-demanded-Megan-Fox-fired-Transformers-Hitler-comment.html)... which is just juvenile (not to mention unprofessional), but considering that:
* Steven Spielberg is Jewish
* Michael Bay was adopted and raised by Jewish parents
* Co-star Shia LaBeouf is also of Jewish descent
...it comes as little surprise that Spielberg took offence to that comment and ordered Bay to sack her. Fox has since apologised (http://globalgrind.com/2013/02/27/blacklisted-megan-fox-swallows-her-pride-apologizes-michael-bay-hitler-comments-detail/).

[ITZTRU]

You've said that if you don't like a movie, you won't even watch it (let alone pay for it)

Where did I say that? How can I like or dislike a movie if I don't watch it?


so does this mean that if you did like a movie you would download it (and still not pay for it)? :confused:


...and yes. If there's a move I like, I'll download it. And yes, without paying for it. That's my 'standard'.

[GoktimusPrime]

Where did I say that? How can I like or dislike a movie if I don't watch it?
I was referring to your comment about not wanting to torrent AoE because you hate it. :o

[Sky Shadow]

I neither download nor buy Bay Transformers movies on DVD. Instead, I make up a bunch of signs and have a day trip sticking them in the movie section of JB Hi-Fis around the city. Like so...

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[CoRDS]

not sure about best. but lets go with least worst probably 4 if only for the g1 nod

[Gamerforever]

But i would put transformers age of extinction as number 1. Just my opinion

[Gamerforever]

4,1,3,2
I like 4 more because it was probably the less dorky of the films and the transformers actually had CHARACTER

[kup]

I neither download nor buy Bay Transformers movies on DVD. Instead, I make up a bunch of signs and have a day trip sticking them in the movie section of JB Hi-Fis around the city. Like so...

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Too bad there is no 'Like' button here

[Bidoofdude]

I neither download nor buy Bay Transformers movies on DVD. Instead, I make up a bunch of signs and have a day trip sticking them in the movie section of JB Hi-Fis around the city. Like so...


I know what I'm doing next time I go to the city.

[drifand]

Yeah, but can you blame him? She compared Michael Bay with Adolf Hitler (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2005537/Steven-Spielberg-demanded-Megan-Fox-fired-Transformers-Hitler-comment.html)... which is just juvenile (not to mention unprofessional), but considering that:
* Steven Spielberg is Jewish
* Michael Bay was adopted and raised by Jewish parents
* Co-star Shia LaBeouf is also of Jewish descent
...it comes as little surprise that Spielberg took offence to that comment and ordered Bay to sack her. Fox has since apologised (http://globalgrind.com/2013/02/27/blacklisted-megan-fox-swallows-her-pride-apologizes-michael-bay-hitler-comments-detail/).

Be more professional, and I mean to the older who are wiser and more tolerant.
It had nothing to do with bay obviously since she acted in his tmnt movie.

You can be Jewish , Muslim, Christian. Let the past be past. I expect more respect and openness if bay had been directing like hitler that's his style. From my point of view, it is what it is, as much as she complained she just went along . Putting your own religious feelings into it because of a sentence no doubt confirms what she said was indeed true.

Bay has no issues obviously and had put it behind him.

Overall the third movie was totally out of place and pace. That's where everything went down hill. No 4 is to cover up what damage was done on no 3.
Despite being a more serious tone, it had lots of bad flaws.

I will continue to watch, I like entertainment but I have my critics for the entire line.

Pacific rim wins all hands down.

[GoktimusPrime]

It's not even a racial or political thing... if you publicly insult your boss(es), then you're acting unprofessionally and may possibly be in violation of your employment contract. A lot of employment contracts contain a clause about not bringing your employer into disrepute when speaking with the media. If Fox had said this in a private conversation with friends, that'd be one thing, but to say it to media reporters? Not cool. The Hitler/Jewish thing just made it look worse, but it would've been just as bad without it.

[drifand]

It's not even a racial or political thing... if you publicly insult your boss(es), then you're acting unprofessionally and may possibly be in violation of your employment contract. A lot of employment contracts contain a clause about not bringing your employer into disrepute when speaking with the media. If Fox had said this in a private conversation with friends, that'd be one thing, but to say it to media reporters? Not cool. The Hitler/Jewish thing just made it look worse, but it would've been just as bad without it.

Like said, firing her just confirms what she said. I tend to believe her than Spielberg in this case. No doubt, she could be more professional, but how old is she? How old is Spielberg ? Build a bridge, there have been more serious disputes on Hollywood sets and people deal with it. To me this is a very small deal and it just shows the level of teamwork .

Don't get me wrong here, I am not saying fox did the right thing, I am saying poor judgement and handling was perform in this case.

[GoktimusPrime]

What I found more objectionable was replacing Fox with an even worse actress (Rosie Huntington-Whiteley/Carly Spencer). :rolleyes: Nicola Peltz (Tessa Yeager) arguably better than Fox and Huntington-Whiteley... although that's not hard. :o None of the leading ladies in any of the Bay films seem to have been chosen for their acting integrity. :rolleyes:

[drifand]

What I found more objectionable was replacing Fox with an even worse actress (Rosie Huntington-Whiteley/Carly Spencer). :rolleyes: Nicola Peltz (Tessa Yeager) arguably better than Fox and Huntington-Whiteley... although that's not hard. :o None of the leading ladies in any of the Bay films seem to have been chosen for their acting integrity. :rolleyes:

Agreed and she didn't fit in many ways why I rated this movie really poor.

[VERT]

Too bad there is no 'Like' button here

Love this :)

[springah]

no option for "none"?

[Raptormesh]

no option for "none"?

That would be the option to not vote at all. :cool::p

[FruitBuyer]

Like said, firing her just confirms what she said. I tend to believe her than Spielberg in this case. No doubt, she could be more professional, but how old is she? How old is Spielberg ? Build a bridge, there have been more serious disputes on Hollywood sets and people deal with it. To me this is a very small deal and it just shows the level of teamwork .

Don't get me wrong here, I am not saying fox did the right thing, I am saying poor judgement and handling was perform in this case.

That's rather skewed logic. If someone you've worked with openly bad-mouths you to the public, why would you want to work with them again?

This is just common sense, it doesn't confirm that what she said is true. If I worked with someone who then went on to bad-mouth me to the public, I sure as hell don't want to work them with them again. Can you honestly say you would?

[Sky Shadow]

The actual quote in context was "He's like Napoleon and he wants to create this insane, infamous mad-man reputation. He wants to be like Hitler on his sets, and he is. So he's a nightmare to work for but when you get him away from set, and he's not in director mode, I kind of really enjoy his personality because he's so awkward, so hopelessly awkward. He has no social skills at all. And it's endearing to watch him."

Fox wasn't saying Bay committed genocide, hated jews, black people or gypsies, waged war against half the world, or had a mustache. She was saying he likes to be a totalitarian ruler while on set. Yes, it's not politically correct to liken anyone to Hitler, but she's been a Hollywood princess since she was fifteen, and thus has her own lack of social skills to deal with. The whole thing was overblown, and yes, clearly Michael Bay doesn't have a real problem with her, since he's the producer of TMNT and its sequel.

[Bidoofdude]

The actual quote in context was "He's like Napoleon and he wants to create this insane, infamous mad-man reputation. He wants to be like Hitler on his sets, and he is. So he's a nightmare to work for but when you get him away from set, and he's not in director mode, I kind of really enjoy his personality because he's so awkward, so hopelessly awkward. He has no social skills at all. And it's endearing to watch him."

Fox wasn't saying Bay committed genocide, hated jews, black people or gypsies, waged war against half the world, or had a mustache. She was saying he likes to be a totalitarian ruler while on set. Yes, it's not politically correct to liken anyone to Hitler, but she's been a Hollywood princess since she was fifteen, and thus has her own lack of social skills to deal with. The whole thing was overblown, and yes, clearly Michael Bay doesn't have a real problem with her, since he's the producer of TMNT and its sequel.


I agree. She was comparing his attitude when doing directing to how strictly Hitler would get what he wants, when he wants it. It's just been cherrypicked to make the whole thing seem a lot bigger than it is.

[FruitBuyer]

That makes sense. Once you put the word Hitler in there, it doesn't make sense what else you say because the rest of the world will only focus on that word.

[drifand]

The actual quote in context was "He's like Napoleon and he wants to create this insane, infamous mad-man reputation. He wants to be like Hitler on his sets, and he is. So he's a nightmare to work for but when you get him away from set, and he's not in director mode, I kind of really enjoy his personality because he's so awkward, so hopelessly awkward. He has no social skills at all. And it's endearing to watch him."

Fox wasn't saying Bay committed genocide, hated jews, black people or gypsies, waged war against half the world, or had a mustache. She was saying he likes to be a totalitarian ruler while on set. Yes, it's not politically correct to liken anyone to Hitler, but she's been a Hollywood princess since she was fifteen, and thus has her own lack of social skills to deal with. The whole thing was overblown, and yes, clearly Michael Bay doesn't have a real problem with her, since he's the producer of TMNT and its sequel.


Clearly you understood how I saw it.
Is just a shame no 3 became bad because of Spielberg .

[drifand]

That makes sense. Once you put the word Hitler in there, it doesn't make sense what else you say because the rest of the world will only focus on that word.

Is a bad coincidence that Jews were involved. And backfired for her.
Like said, firing her wasn't the best thing they did but hiring someone worse was really bad.

[GoktimusPrime]

Clearly you understood how I saw it.
Is just a shame no 3 became bad because of Spielberg .
Cos the live action films had no problems what-so-ever before Fox left the franchise, and Revenge of the Fallen was an absolute pearl of cinematic literature. :p There's this interview (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20551032_11,00.html) where Spielberg denied directing Bay to sack Fox over the Hitler comment. Who knows... maybe Bay will find a way to bring Fox back for TF5. He seems to have a limitless supply of excuses to keep bringing Megatron back. :p

[Sinnertwin]

Cos the live action films had no problems what-so-ever before Fox left the franchise, and Revenge of the Fallen was an absolute pearl of cinematic literature. :p There's this interview (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20551032_11,00.html) where Spielberg denied directing Bay to sack Fox over the Hitler comment. Who knows... maybe Bay will find a way to bring Fox back for TF5. He seems to have a limitless supply of excuses to keep bringing Megatron back. :p

Hmmm, you may be onto something there.. Both their movie careers do keep getting resurrected somehow...

[Magnus]

You can kind of tell that Carly's role was written with Mikaela in mind, and so it's a bit weird to come into the third movie where Sam has a pre-existing relationship with someone other than Mikaela (building up this relationship over two movies, plus, Megan Fox as Mikaela did have more than a few fans) but given her unplanned departure, I think it was handled 'well enough'.

After all, it seemed like there were fans who really wanted Carly, and that was what they got :p


Back on topic, my 'favourite movie' order would be 3,4,1,2. For me, DotM just works: good story, good pacing (ok, the first half-hour was a bit slow), substantial bot screen time, amazing action sequences.


As an aside, personally, I think the 'problem' has more to do with the writing than Bay's directing. The writing to date has been adequate to good, but I think Ehren Kruger (should he return) should have a co-writer if he doesn't already.

Give Bay a good script and he can deliver an amazing movie: The Rock is one of the best action movies of the '90s, and The Island was very good (if derivative).

[Sky Shadow]

Who knows... maybe Bay will find a way to bring Fox back for TF5. He seems to have a limitless supply of excuses to keep bringing Megatron back. :p

Hmm...

http://s27.postimg.org/abq0hjn4z/MTMegs.png

[Dimi194]

Hmmm...
I might be in the minority, but I actually really enjoy the TF films.
Surely, they're big and explosions and dumb, but that's what I expect so never get disappointed.
I actually love ROTF (it was my favourite film for a long time), so from best to worst for me would be ROTF, DOTM, AOE, TFTM.

I think AOE suffered from being too long, especially at the end, because I felt it's human characters were more interesting (though I always find myself laughing at Sam's parents).
My biggest issue with them is the confusing fight scenes and the lack of Megatron-first one he is frozen for most of the film, second we have the Fallen, third we have him being Sentinel's B***h, and 4 he just says "Get me the Seed!"

Then again, I guess I'm the target market :p:p

[Yongeltron]

Yeah, I personally never understood how anybody could be "disappointed" by the movies. Unless you don't know who Michael Bay is, you're getting exactly what you'd expect.