Combiner Wars Devastator Rumour

[philby]

just thought I would put this here...rumours of a new Devastator made up of 6 voyager sized figures:


http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/rumor-combiner-wars-titan-class-devastator-incoming-181492/

http://www.allspark.com/content/2014/11/rumor-transformers-combiner-wars-devastator-giftset-coming/

forum posts from the 'source':
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/995908-combiner-wars-generations-2015-predictions-29.html#post11810163

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/995908-combiner-wars-generations-2015-predictions-33.html#post11811202

That would be epic! :eek:

[Zommael]

It could also end up being a redeco of ROTF Supreme Devastator, since that's never been re-released. Just to terrify everyone.

[FruitBuyer]

Not sure how I feel about an updated Devastator dwarfing all other combiners so much.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Yeah, I'd much prefer him to be in scale with the others.

[CBratron]

Better off matching sizes with other Combiner Wars sets?
On the other hand the extra size could mean they can accommodate the extra complexity for a Prowlastator combiner.

[FruitBuyer]

It also really restricts what other Voyagers we can get next year. There goes any chances of Galvatron unless they're going to retool him from Silverbolt.

[ChlorHex]

Great news if this is indeed true.
Saves me from chasing down a reasonably priced Herc.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I have zero problem with them being voyager if it turns out to be true - all those construction vehicles are bigger than those that make up the Stunticons for example (since Motormaster doesn't have a trailer and all). Predaking was always accepted as bigger than the other Gestalts in fiction, even if it was only by a head. I reckon the Gestalts should be different sizes based on the alt-modes/bots that comprise them and how many different bots they comprise. Though I suppose by that reckoning Superion should be huge! :eek:

Even if we look at IDW, Menasor was only about 3 times the size of Ultra Magnus, yet Devastator was smashing gigantic bridges with one punch and crushing jet fighters in his hand ;)

[Jinto]

It could also end up being a redeco of ROTF Supreme Devastator, since that's never been re-released. Just to terrify everyone.

*backhanded slap across the face* Never say that again!

[Raptormesh]

It could also end up being a redeco of ROTF Supreme Devastator, since that's never been re-released. Just to terrify everyone.

In chrome silver.

[SharkyMcShark]

Six voyager sized Constructicons combining into Devastator might actually be enough to get me interested in official releases again.

[ITZTRU]

In chrome silver.

Hasbro grey.

[Bidoofdude]

Be true. Please be true. Devasator was pretty big in IDW, if you look at most art. He was unusually massive in the cartoon as well. Voyager size makes sense for construction vehicles. :) A giftset is awesome as well.

[UltraMarginal]

I have zero problem with them being voyager if it turns out to be true - all those construction vehicles are bigger than those that make up the Stunticons for example (since Motormaster doesn't have a trailer and all). Predaking was always accepted as bigger than the other Gestalts in fiction, even if it was only by a head. I reckon the Gestalts should be different sizes based on the alt-modes/bots that comprise them and how many different bots they comprise. Though I suppose by that reckoning Superion should be huge! :eek:

Even if we look at IDW, Menasor was only about 3 times the size of Ultra Magnus, yet Devastator was smashing gigantic bridges with one punch and crushing jet fighters in his hand ;)

I totally agree, voyager would fit the vehicles 'scale' better for comparison against other vehicles, but running with that I'd like to see superion made up of 4 voyagers and a leader. but I doubt that's going to happen, at lest not until combiners come around again in the future.

[FruitBuyer]

It'll be funny if they wanted to go with properly scaled ones. Silverbolt would be nearly Menasor and Defensor combined and Superion would be bigger than most of main combiners combined.

And I'd be perfectly alright with that.

[/endFanBoy]

[Sky Shadow]

I reckon the Gestalts should be different sizes based on the alt-modes/bots that comprise them and how many different bots they comprise. Though I suppose by that reckoning Superion should be huge!


It'll be funny if they wanted to go with properly scaled ones. Silverbolt would be nearly Menasor and Defensor combined and Superion would be bigger than most of main combiners combined.

I'm pretty sure people don't really want to-scale Scramble City gestalts or Superion and Menasor would look like thalidomide victims, and Defensor and Bruticus would be mutants.

[UltraMarginal]

It could also end up being a redeco of ROTF Supreme Devastator, since that's never been re-released. Just to terrify everyone.


In chrome silver.

You're both bad people.


*backhanded slap across the face* Never say that again!
I agree:eek:

the rumours look pretty solid. could end up being a pretty exciting year for transformers next year.

[FruitBuyer]

I'm pretty sure people don't really want to-scale Scramble City gestalts or Superion and Menasor would look like thalidomide victims, and Defensor and Bruticus would be mutants.

Classic Superion wouldn't be that bad since all the limbs are jets. Same with Menasor. It's Defensor and Bruticus that would be ridiculous.

[icemanff23]

Finally we can recreate a proper devastator scene with the new mp dinobots being released by 3rd parties :)

[Shirokaze]

It could also end up being a redeco of ROTF Supreme Devastator, since that's never been re-released. Just to terrify everyone.

Zommael, destroyer of dreams :p

If titan class, this could potentially scale with masterpiece? :rolleyes: *wishful thinking*

[Paulbot]

Zommael, destroyer of dreams :p

If titan class, this could potentially scale with masterpiece? :rolleyes: *wishful thinking*

To quote Golden Phoenix "why not have both?"

If they were going to do a MP Devstator it might indeed be as a complete set with voyager sized components. Take out the diecast and special paint aps and who knows you might end up with something Hasbro would sell at the Titan price point in their Combiner Wars line.

[Golden Phoenix]

To quote Golden Phoenix "why not have both?"

If they were going to do a MP Devstator it might indeed be as a complete set with voyager sized components. Take out the diecast and special paint aps and who knows you might end up with something Hasbro would sell at the Titan price point in their Combiner Wars line.

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/jimmey-11/Cartoons/777.jpg

[Akky82]

New Prowl sold seperate that can combine? Would be cool I guess, but I'd never buy it. I've sworn off chug for a long time now, but superion has got me interested (thoough a chopper as a limb irks me), and devestator would be sweet too if same scale, as menasor doesnt interest me much, just looks meh.

[SuspectimusPrime]

I would really appreciate a solid combiner that includes Scrapper, with no engineering sacrifices to incorporate a new IDW Prowl, nor the ugly possibility of jamming in Classics Prowl.

[canofwhoopass_87]

I would really appreciate a solid combiner that includes Scrapper, with no engineering sacrifices to incorporate a new IDW Prowl, nor the ugly possibility of jamming in Classics Prowl.

Hear hear! Wholeheartedly agree with this. Not everyone reads the comics and the idea of a combining devastator / prowl is very strange indeed

[Bidoofdude]

I would really appreciate a solid combiner that includes Scrapper, with no engineering sacrifices to incorporate a new IDW Prowl, nor the ugly possibility of jamming in Classics Prowl.

I'm personally holding off buying Universe Prowl, Bluestreak or Smokescreen with the possibility of a new one,

[Lord_Zed]

I'm personally holding off buying Universe Prowl, Bluestreak or Smokescreen with the possibility of a new one,

The sad thing is, unless the new one is Voyager class, chances are the old one will likely be superior.

What does IDW Prowl even turn into these days? Space 4WD truck or something? I honestly can't tell.

[GoktimusPrime]

They could have Prowl as the additional "Targetmaster" for the gestalt group (similar to Generations Powerglide for Superion). He could simply be a Legends scale figure included with Hook who can transform into a vehicle and alternate head module for Devastator; even if it's simply clipping onto Devvie's head like a helmet or "Headmaster" module (à la Animated Leader Bulkhead).

[Trent]

Hear hear! Wholeheartedly agree with this. Not everyone reads the comics and the idea of a combining devastator / prowl is very strange indeed

Not everyone who reads the comics likes the idea of Prowlastator.

[Ploughmans Lunch]

I'd just make it based on the original six and let third parties work out a Prowl/Leg-Hook if people are really wanting it. Chances are the Prowl/Constructicons dynamic will be over at some point and either Devastator will have Scrapper back as Leader/Leg, or they'll be dead or something.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

They could have Prowl as the additional "Targetmaster" for the gestalt group (similar to Generations Powerglide for Superion). He could simply be a Legends scale figure included with Hook who can transform into a vehicle and alternate head module for Devastator; even if it's simply clipping onto Devvie's head like a helmet or "Headmaster" module (à la Animated Leader Bulkhead).This is a great idea.:)
They could possibly get around the Hook-as-leg issue by having dual-purpose pegs at either end that would work to both stabilise the shoulders and form a leg...it'd be tricky and probably out of budget but I imagine if they played with chest width and leg length a little then HTT could engineer a Hook mould that could be either a foot or an upper chest.
Of course, that would mean people wanting an IDW-accurate Prowlastator would need to buy 2 Hooks, but I doubt Hasbro would mind that all that much.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I'm pretty sure people don't really want to-scale Scramble City gestalts or Superion and Menasor would look like thalidomide victims, and Defensor and Bruticus would be mutants.


Oh I dunno, if you swapped them round a bit Defensor could have First Aid and Streetwise as legs, chop Blades in half to make the two arms and Groove could be.... I dunno... a belt? :p:D


Edit: You know I wrote the above as a joke but now thinking about it, if Groove turned into a gun.... it could actually kinda work :eek:

[Akky82]

Yes while I did mention Prowl, I really dont think it's a good idea, and though comics is the only thing i have to do with transformers outside of collecting MP/gestalts, I would never even buy prowl, let alone display it with him combined.

[griffin]

The Combiner Devastator set has shown up in the Canadian ToysRUs computer.
Since we found out about the Platinum Insecticons and Coneheads set after this boxset was first rumoured, it is now likely that this is another in the line of Platinum Gen1 boxsets for 2015.
Also, if the remaining Generations Deluxe toys for 2015 are indeed Protectobots and Autobot cars, a set of new moulds (Constructicons) is not likely to be released as a boxset first... so would need to either be existing moulds, or a toy that can't be sold individually (TF2 Devastator).
The Canadian price is $180 (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/rumor-new-pricing-information-for-generations-devastator-platinum-insecticons-181830/), which is likely to be about US$150 in America... and about $200-250 if released here.
The Insecticon set was found as well, for C$100.

[Bidoofdude]

Wasn't Metroplex around that price tag in the US? We could see a similar markdown like we did for Devastator. Target had him for $120, hopefully it repeats.

[Paulbot]

$150 US would be a lot to charge for the original Constructicons, but the price of the Insecticons rerelease is pretty steep too and those aren't much bigger. There will be some epic fan rage if it is the G1 toys; the link you've shared pretty much has everyone still believing it's brand new voyager class toys.

(When I look at the original Insecticons, toys I only got twenty years after the fact, I can never get over how small they are, and yet they were sold in boxes at a higher price point compared to the triple changing Constructicons. )

[griffin]

$150 US would be a lot to charge for the original Constructicons, but the price of the Insecticons rerelease is pretty steep too and those aren't much bigger. There will be some epic fan rage if it is the G1 toys; the link you've shared pretty much has everyone still believing it's brand new voyager class toys.


Yes it is still the current consensus... due to the timing and the claim of some "reliable" source that I don't recall.

I did post my reasons on that site, just to see what sort of comments it got...


1 - If this Devastator toy (rumor) was found AFTER the discovery of the Insecticons and Conehead sets, fans may not have automatically jumped on the Generations Combiner Wars concept as the most likely option (because it was the only plausible option at the time). And Gen1 seems to be the focus of the Hasbro Platinum sets this year.
2 - We have since had store listings of the remaining eight Combiner Deluxes as being Protectobots (for Hotspot) and Autobot Cars (for Optimus), which if true, doesn't leave any spots left for Constructicons. Hasbro have been pretty accurate in recent years on the product numbers they have officially announced at the start of a line.
3 - Hasbro doesn't release several new molds in a boxset (1 or 2 maybe, but not 5 or 6) unless they can't be sold separately (like TF2 Devastator if you count those as separate toys) or are really small (like Micromasters/MiniCons).. especially as a store exclusive, because they can't make back the money spent on creating new molds if it has a limited release. So if Number 2 is correct and this was a new mold combiner in limited numbers at ToysRUs, Hasbro would have to release a really small combiner at that price, just to break even (something about the size of MP Soundwave, which was also a limited edition TRU exclusive... it was slightly cheaper than this, but isn't as complex as Combiners which are technically triplechangers).I guess it comes down to how it was listed in the TRU computers... as in, if it had "Generations" in the title. Which in itself, isn't proof, as a number of non-Movie exclusives last year were officially listed as MV4 (Movie 4).
And it is worth noting that I don't think it has actually been stated to be a TRU exclusive... that was something I didn't realise until after I posted my points above. If it is a regular release item like Metroplex, maybe there is a chance it is a simplified combiner that replicates IDW Devastator, which would then come in closer to that previous "Titan" price point, and negate my third point.

Hmmm... I wonder if I ask really really nicely, Hasbro Australia will tell us what it actually is.

[Defcon]

I'd give it 50/50 it could be either a devastator for the combiner wars, or a g1 reissue. I would prefer the generations/combiner wars option. It is doable, as I don't think Hasbro needs to create 5 or 6 unique molds, there could be just 3 unique ones, with 3 retools. eg Bonecrusher and Scavenger, Scrapper and Long Haul, Mixmaster and Hook.

[Bidoofdude]

I don't think the 6 voyagers would count as voyagers from the moulds for 2015. They'd be part of the Titan Class mould(s). Of course, unlike Metroplex, they have to have a lot more engineering to allow for 3 modes (robot, construction vehicle, combiner part) and would thus be smaller. That would have them meet the Titan Class pricepoint but still be much smaller than Metroplex.

This is a Generations product from what we've seen so far, so there wouldn't be too much of a packaging cost, unlike the Platinum Edition stuff. G2 repaints (people seem to suck that stuff up) would probably be an option and maybe a Diaclone scheme as a convention exclusive.
The same guy who confirmed Leader Magnus (at least I think it was the same guy) said the titan was made up of 6 voyagers without Prowl in a heavily G1 influence.

If this is indeed true, I would love a windowed box with an insert similar to this: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:DevastatorManga1.jpg

[Defcon]

I'm now leaning to generations devastator been a g1 reissue, as it seems most likely as Griffin suggested. Hmm going to be a few disappointed people. I have lowered my expectations :p
The generations g1 reissue insecticon set, not really keen on that. A possible set of G1 coneheads is the only set I'm really keen on, but all depends on the box presentation.

[griffin]

Don't give up hope... as I could be wrong.
As the "Titan" word has been thrown around by unknown sources, if that were true, maybe they've created another simple Devastator like the TF2 version, which they can be 6 x Voyager size that people are claiming, and sell for a bit above Metroplex pricing. (with or without being a store exclusive)

[Trent]

Don't give up hope... as I could be wrong.
As the "Titan" word has been thrown around by unknown sources, if that were true, maybe they've created another simple Devastator like the TF2 version, which they can be 6 x Voyager size that people are claiming, and sell for a bit above Metroplex pricing. (with or without being a store exclusive)

Lol. No bot modes, just alt and combined modes.

The fandom would love that

[kup]

At that cost, I rather save up a bit more and buy the Maketoys Giant - Oh wait, I did ;)

More expensive but you get a sense of satisfaction from it. I seriously doubt Hasbro's will be anywhere as good and we are likely to get what Griffin is theorising we will given Hasbro's trends.

[UltraMarginal]

Don't forget there is also the combiner wars cover with Devastator on it that was teased by IDW in the last month or so.

There has been two Encore Devastators just recently so the mold is there to use but I can't see it being viable sitting on a shelf next to other more advanced combiners.

My money is still on a Titan made up of 6 Voyagers, if a general release, which I expect, they'll make up their mold costs in pure volume of sales.

[Sinnertwin]

Lol. No bot modes, just alt and combined modes.

The fandom would love that

Oh yeah! I can see the nerdrage now. Hee hee hee

[griffin]

A photo of a computer screen at a Canada ToysRUs store (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-news-rumors/27490250d1421028159-generations-devestator-confirmed-dev-tru-1__scaled_800.jpg), of the Devastator Listing.

It says "TF-Generations Devastator", which doesn't help much figuring out what it might be, as it doesn't say Titan or Combiner Wars... so could still be either Gen1 reissue or new mould. Nor does it identify if it is a regular release or limited store exclusive. :(

If it shows up at our TRU stores as well, the SKU number is 198274.

[griffin]

Hmmm... the photo of the listing suggests that the Cost (wholesale) price to TRU was C$120, which they are charging C$180 (33% is a VERY small margin for toys, especially for higher priced items like this one because toy companies need to offer an incentive of higher profit margins to reduce the risk to Retailers, particularly if they have to discount later just to clear the stock so that they don't lose money until it is heavily discounted).

The massive wholesale price might also suggest that this might actually be a large new mould toy, as Generations Metroplex was C$140 in Canada at TRU, and we saw how cheap stores could sell it here and in America, suggesting that the Wholesale price must have been somewhere in the C$60-80 range.

I think I'm over-thinking this too much... I'm just too impatient to find out what the mystery is. :o :p

[Starscream77]

As long as it's not the horrible ROTF mold recolour then it's an improvement

[griffin]

I'm hoping it isn't... but I'd just love to see the nerd-rage explode on other fansites if it was. It would be so entertaining to read the irrational rantings over mere toys. :p

[Zommael]

It could be a new mould made up of six larger toys, which could then be recoloured and/or sold separately afterwards to make up mould costs. Hasbro could simply be releasing the set before the individual releases, in contrast to the rest of the line, possibly because this is the largest release in the line and thus its USP is its combined size.

[Trent]

Oh yeah! I can see the nerdrage now. Hee hee hee

We're mean people. Hoping for Laughing at the emotional torment of others.


Hehe


Heh.

:p

[griffin]

Well... it's not like we are getting enjoyment from people having real world problems. We are quite good here in being considerate enough of others to not be mean. :)

This is just harmless amusement of people who are assumed to be adults, crying over something toy related as if it is the end of the world for them... :p

[CoRDS]

Well... it's not like we are getting enjoyment from people having real world problems. We are quite good here in being considerate enough of others to not be mean. :)

This is just harmless amusement of people who are assumed to be adults, crying over something toy related as if it is the end of the world for them... :p

but what if its the one thing that sets off a man-child into a rage of epic proportions. a man-child who happens to be a quick study, has unlimited funds, is some kind of evil sociopath genius who then focuses his or her efforts day and night on the destruction of man kind via Total protonic reversal.

[reillyd]

Well... it's not like we are getting enjoyment from people having real world problems :p

Wait, you mean this isn't a real world problem? It's Devestator!!!

[Holdobot]

This TFW2005 post seems to lend more credence to the titan rumors. It shows case assortment number count. With generations Devastator being in a 2 per case like metroplex was.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/new-transformers-case-breakdownslistings-generations-devastator-robots-in-disguise-products-181839/

[Paulbot]

Six G1 Constructicons in an oversized big Platinum box (like the Insecticons) could also be two per case. The Encore Constructicon boxes could fit two a case. I don't think it adds anything more than telling us retailers have to order two of them.

Has everyone forgotten how there was a glimpse of Devastator in the background of a Designer Desk video last year. And then how when we got a good view of it in this video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_k_JQ5nQU ) we saw it was very clearly G1 Devastator. On the shelves of new product, including rereleases like MP Grimlock.

Just saying.

[Bidoofdude]

Six G1 Constructicons in an oversized big Platinum box (like the Insecticons) could also be two per case. The Encore Constructicon boxes could fit two a case. I don't think it adds anything more than telling us retailers have to order two of them.

Has everyone forgotten how there was a glimpse of Devastator in the background of a Designer Desk video last year. And then how when we got a good view of it in this video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_k_JQ5nQU ) we saw it was very clearly G1 Devastator. On the shelves of new product, including rereleases like MP Grimlock.

Just saying.

They'd be in a Generations style box (probably black like the rest of the line), rather than Platinum.

If the reissue thing is so, could we possibly see Defensor as a reissue set additionally?

Then again, we have listings for deluxe and legends protectobots, so it could just be that.

[Sinnertwin]

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w661/sinnertwinsphotos/Screenshot_2015-01-13-11-10-26-1_zpsab3e7cd8.png (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/sinnertwinsphotos/media/Screenshot_2015-01-13-11-10-26-1_zpsab3e7cd8.png.html)

[Firestorm]

Six G1 Constructicons in an oversized big Platinum box (like the Insecticons) could also be two per case. The Encore Constructicon boxes could fit two a case. I don't think it adds anything more than telling us retailers have to order two of them.

Has everyone forgotten how there was a glimpse of Devastator in the background of a Designer Desk video last year. And then how when we got a good view of it in this video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_k_JQ5nQU ) we saw it was very clearly G1 Devastator. On the shelves of new product, including rereleases like MP Grimlock.

Just saying.

it's true that in this video they have G1 Devy there, but right next to him is a G1 Defensor. and we already know that a new Combiner Wars set of Protectobots is on the way Featuring Blades, Streetwise, First Aid, Rook and a legends Groove.
so it's possible that those two are there more as plaeholders for toys still in development at the time of the video. or as a hint of what's to come. after all, there was no G1 Bruticus or Predaking or anything there.

while it is still true and entirely possible that this new devastator could end up being a G1 reissue, especially given how expensive those new Insecticon reissues are, I'm personally in the "New Combiner Wars Devy" camp. that said if it turns out not to be a new toy or it ends up being the G1 reissue I won't be too upset.
it'd be cool to have a titan devy, but I won't lose sleep one way or the other.
just like I'm not losing sleep over not getting a titan metroplex when I had the chance

[griffin]

It's starting to lean more towards being something like TF2 Devastator or Metroplex - big but very simple.... and a general release, if a store wants to risk such an expensive item.

It's certainly interesting re-watching that Hasbro video in Paulbot's post, and wondering if the Gen1 Devastator and Defensor were there intentionally, as a hint of other new Combiners, or advance warning of reissues.
Because all the other toys behind them (which is an intentional display, not someone's random cubical shelving), are mid 2014 to early 2015 toys... making it an obvious question - why are those two Gen1 combiners intentionally placed there.

[Holdobot]

Six G1 Constructicons in an oversized big Platinum box (like the Insecticons) could also be two per case. The Encore Constructicon boxes could fit two a case. I don't think it adds anything more than telling us retailers have to order two of them.

Has everyone forgotten how there was a glimpse of Devastator in the background of a Designer Desk video last year. And then how when we got a good view of it in this video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_k_JQ5nQU ) we saw it was very clearly G1 Devastator. On the shelves of new product, including rereleases like MP Grimlock.

Just saying.

Yeah thats true, wishful thinking I guess :)

[Paulbot]

I agree, a Titan sized Devastator could be cool but everything's a guess at the moment - besides price.

[Zommael]

It's starting to lean more towards being something like TF2 Devastator or Metroplex - big but very simple.... and a general release, if a store wants to risk such an expensive item.

It's certainly interesting re-watching that Hasbro video in Paulbot's post, and wondering if the Gen1 Devastator and Defensor were there intentionally, as a hint of other new Combiners, or advance warning of reissues.
Because all the other toys behind them (which is an intentional display, not someone's random cubical shelving), are mid 2014 to early 2015 toys... making it an obvious question - why are those two Gen1 combiners intentionally placed there.

Metroplex was simple now? :p

To weigh in again: it could be a G1 reissue, but if it is, why would it be sold in the Generations line (as the most recent product listing indicates) rather than the Platinum line where literally all other G1 reissues appear to be going? The same question applies if it's a redeco of TF2 Devastator (which I still think it could be). On the other hand, the moulds may have been designed to be sold separately later: for example, they could be recoloured to match TF2 Devastator. It's not Hasbro's usual MO, but if the size is the USP, they might go for it - it's not like they haven't been experimenting with all aspects of the marketing lately.

[Bidoofdude]

I agree, a Titan sized Devastator could be cool but everything's a guess at the moment - besides price.

Plus apparent 'eyewitness reports'. Hopefully leader Ultra Magnus turns out to be true, as well as Devy.

[doublespy]

I still wish it would be a gift set of new molds. I think the new combiner wars stuff is at least to some degree a statement from the new design team, to the fans and third party companies: "hey, even we have a strict pricing structure and cost control, we can still make some cool official combiners!" And after giving us all these nice new combiners, they'd decide to entertain us with a G1 devastator, might as well drop the whole combiner wars in the first place.

As suggested above the new molds can be sold separately later, either as repaint or remold, or in a gift set again as convention exclusive, to make up for mold costs.

[Starscream77]

So according to a source on TFW it's an all new mold of voyagers and one leader and is the size of Gen Metroplex

[Zommael]

So according to a source on TFW it's an all new mold of voyagers and one leader and is the size of Gen Metroplex

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that source has proven to be good for information in the past, too - I certainly recognise the name although that could be from too much lurking on TFW. I really hope it is a huge, articulated, new figure on a par with Metroplex. Having the two battling on my shelf would be well worth the cost.

[Ploughmans Lunch]

Apparently yellow redeco for SDCC??

[SuspectimusPrime]

So according to a source on TFW it's an all new mold of voyagers and one leader and is the size of Gen Metroplex


I'm not 100% sure, but I think that source has proven to be good for information in the past, too - I certainly recognise the name although that could be from too much lurking on TFW. I really hope it is a huge, articulated, new figure on a par with Metroplex. Having the two battling on my shelf would be well worth the cost.

This sounds like exactly what every adult collector would hope for - which usually turns out too good to be true. On price alone, would it be viable to produce something potentially double the cost of Gen Metroplex and risk deterring large segments of their main target market?

[Lint]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that source has proven to be good for information in the past, too - I certainly recognise the name although that could be from too much lurking on TFW. I really hope it is a huge, articulated, new figure on a par with Metroplex. Having the two battling on my shelf would be well worth the cost.

My wallet has obtained internal injuries just from me reading this, and I'm okay with this :D

[Zippo]

The BOX is Metroplex sized according to the rumor, not the figure in combined mode.

[Trent]

The BOX is Metroplex sized according to the rumor, not the figure in combined mode.

Yeah, if the bots are voyager sized, then no way is this thing going to be Titan class in combined mode. All of TFCs combiners and Feral Rex have voyager sized limb bots and those are nowhere near Titan sized. At best Hasbro Devy will be the same size as Hercules.

[Zommael]

The BOX is Metroplex sized according to the rumor, not the figure in combined mode.


Yeah, if the bots are voyager sized, then no way is this thing going to be Titan class in combined mode. All of TFCs combiners and Feral Rex have voyager sized limb bots and those are nowhere near Titan sized. At best Hasbro Devy will be the same size as Hercules.

I don't know how big those toys that aren't Transformers that you're talking about are, but the wording on the rumour is ambiguous at best. "Box are Metroplex sized" is what it says, which could just mean it comes in a box the same size as Metroplex's. At best, it tells us nothing about the nature of the actual toy. According to the rumour, the source doesn't even know how many toys will be included. If it's six rather than five, as with G1 Devastator, then the extra bot could easily bulk up the size to be comparable with Metroplex, if not at exactly the same height. If it ends up being around the size of supreme Unicron, for instance, then it would still be in the ballpark of Metroplex.

[philby]

well I for one am glad at least that there has been some more info on it! When do you think there will be an official announcement and reveal? Is it strange to have listings in store computer systems before anything has actually been shown?

[Paulbot]

The New York Toy Fair in February should (hopefully) reveal and put an end to all the rumours and wild mass guessing.

[Trent]

I don't know how big those toys that aren't Transformers that you're talking about are, but the wording on the rumour is ambiguous at best. "Box are Metroplex sized" is what it says, which could just mean it comes in a box the same size as Metroplex's. At best, it tells us nothing about the nature of the actual toy. According to the rumour, the source doesn't even know how many toys will be included. If it's six rather than five, as with G1 Devastator, then the extra bot could easily bulk up the size to be comparable with Metroplex, if not at exactly the same height. If it ends up being around the size of supreme Unicron, for instance, then it would still be in the ballpark of Metroplex.

You and I obviously have very different ideas on what defines "ballpark" :p. Take the below pic. I don't have Gen Metro so have used Fort Max as a stand in. The red and white combiner is Perseus, a recolour of TFCs Hercules (aka not Devastator). It is made up of 6 voyager sized bots. To the right you have Green Giant, which is made up of six large deluxe bots (some of them could be classed as voyagers). And then you have Feral Rex on the left, made of 5 large voyagers. None of them come anywhere near Fort Max in the size department.

I can't see how 6 voyagers, even if one of them is a leader, could be construed as forming a Titan sized gestalt. Not without some awesome engineering anyway.


http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Wrxus/TFs/6EECEDAA-A825-4AB6-984B-68453F9E96CB.jpg

[UltraMarginal]

The Leader, rumour is a bit disappointing, 6 voyagers sounds a lot more exciting to me in a 'respect to G1' kind of way.

c'mon Toy Fair!

[Bidoofdude]

The New York Toy Fair in February should (hopefully) reveal and put an end to all the rumours and wild mass guessing.

Celebrating Valentine's Day for the first time this year. :)

[Zommael]

You and I obviously have very different ideas on what defines "ballpark" :p. Take the below pic. I don't have Gen Metro so have used Fort Max as a stand in. The red and white combiner is Perseus, a recolour of TFCs Hercules (aka not Devastator). It is made up of 6 voyager sized bots. To the right you have Green Giant, which is made up of six large deluxe bots (some of them could be classed as voyagers). And then you have Feral Rex on the left, made of 5 large voyagers. None of them come anywhere near Fort Max in the size department.

I can't see how 6 voyagers, even if one of them is a leader, could be construed as forming a Titan sized gestalt. Not without some awesome engineering anyway.

Given that none of those toys is an actual Transformer, the use of terms like "voyager" or "deluxe" to describe them is misleading. However, even taking that at face value, none of them is made up of five voyagers and a leader, or any combination of any number of bots and a leader (which, given that we do not know the make-up of the rumoured toy, it could be made up of). I compared the potential size of the thing to supreme Unicron, a large supreme-class toy. Taking "Feral Rex" there as an illustration, I'd imagine that with a leader-class torso and a similar sort of make-up it would approach that toy in size. That toy is in the same ballpark as Metroplex, coming in just below the shoulders. The largest toy your picture shows is the KO Predaking, which you say is made up of five large voyagers. I'd imagine it's only slightly shorter than Unicron, looking at Fort Max behind it. It's likely Hasbro will go with the G1 style for Devastator, so it will be made up of six bots. If one of those is a leader-class, then the toy can easily be significantly bigger than Feral Rex, slightly bigger than Unicron, and in the same ballpark as Fort Max and Metroplex. All it really needs to be to qualify as a Titan, though, is bigger than a supreme.

[millhouse]

I'm hoping for information on this one soon so I can decide whether or not Giant Type 61 is my best option for a Devvy.

[Trent]

Given that none of those toys is an actual Transformer, the use of terms like "voyager" or "deluxe" to describe them is misleading.

How is it misleading? Even though they aren't officially TFs they were designed to fit in the transformers line and were designed to a size class. They were designed to be deluxes/Voyagers/whatever. Nothing "misleading" about it.


However, even taking that at face value, none of them is made up of five voyagers and a leader, or any combination of any number of bots and a leader (which, given that we do not know the make-up of the rumoured toy, it could be made up of). I compared the potential size of the thing to supreme Unicron, a large supreme-class toy. Taking "Feral Rex" there as an illustration, I'd imagine that with a leader-class torso and a similar sort of make-up it would approach that toy in size. That toy is in the same ballpark as Metroplex, coming in just below the shoulders. The largest toy your picture shows is the KO Predaking, which you say is made up of five large voyagers. I'd imagine it's only slightly shorter than Unicron, looking at Fort Max behind it. It's likely Hasbro will go with the G1 style for Devastator, so it will be made up of six bots. If one of those is a leader-class, then the toy can easily be significantly bigger than Feral Rex, slightly bigger than Unicron, and in the same ballpark as Fort Max and Metroplex. All it really needs to be to qualify as a Titan, though, is bigger than a supreme.

Thanks to the Internet for this pic below, cause I couldn't be arsed to get them all back out for another photo.
The one on the right in this photo is TFCs Uranos, which is made up of 4 Voyagers and a Leader as the torso and as you can see, the leader makes bugger all difference to the overall height.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Wrxus/2bfaa2f35f0e7bb8a64e86c301b6ceda.jpg

The whole concept of a Titan Devy is being loosely held together by hopes, dreams and a ton of assumptions. I want a Titan class Devy as much as anyone, but I am approaching these "rumours" with a healthy dose of scepticism instead of seeing a TRU listing and immediately stripping naked and running down the street screaming "Prepare for Devastation!!!11!1!1!!!1!"

[CoRDS]

if we're getting a proper titan class i want each of the 6 bots to be metroplex size .


6 foot tall end result or nothing

[Paulbot]

The whole concept of a Titan Devy is being loosely held together by hopes, dreams and a ton of assumptions. I want a Titan class Devy as much as anyone, but I am approaching these "rumours" with a healthy dose of scepticism instead of seeing a TRU listing and immediately stripping naked and running down the street screaming "Prepare for Devastation!!!11!1!1!!!1!"

There's a lot of people convinced, to the point of being angry, that Hasbro will screw up and the toy will suck, without even getting a glimpse of it. I find it bizarre myself.

In the old days of the Internet there was a saying. Pics or it didn't happen.

Was thinking of suggesting a competiton. Get 100 people to draw what they imagine "Titan Devastator" will look like. We'll get a 100 different versions and 75 fans who will not be happy if Hasbro doesn't produce exaclty what they have drawn.

I mean, wait until people find out Hook is called Hightower. What? His name's Hook! Hasbro sucks. Glad I bought Giant.

[CoRDS]

There's a lot of people convinced, to the point of being angry, that Hasbro will screw up and the toy will suck, without even getting a glimpse of it. I find it bizarre myself.

In the old days of the Internet there was a saying. Pics or it didn't happen.

Was thinking of suggesting a competiton. Get 100 people to draw what they imagine "Titan Devastator" will look like. We'll get a 100 different versions and 75 fans who will not be happy if Hasbro doesn't produce exaclty what they have drawn.

I mean, wait until people find out Hook is called Hightower. What? His name's Hook! Hasbro sucks. Glad I bought Giant.

only way it will be called hook is with the disney peter pan crossover devastator

[Trent]

There's a lot of people convinced, to the point of being angry, that Hasbro will screw up and the toy will suck, without even getting a glimpse of it. I find it bizarre myself.

In the old days of the Internet there was a saying. Pics or it didn't happen.

Was thinking of suggesting a competiton. Get 100 people to draw what they imagine "Titan Devastator" will look like. We'll get a 100 different versions and 75 fans who will not be happy if Hasbro doesn't produce exaclty what they have drawn.

I mean, wait until people find out Hook is called Hightower. What? His name's Hook! Hasbro sucks. Glad I bought Giant.

Im just itching to be able to throw this around:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Wrxus/192e727434c14f5bf983fbc7daf07aef.jpg

:p

And I am glad I bought Giant :) it won't however stop me from buying a 2 foot tall Devy*, IF it happens. Too many people are taking it as a given.


*Provided it's not garbage and a waste of money.

[Zommael]

How is it misleading? Even though they aren't officially TFs they were designed to fit in the transformers line and were designed to a size class. They were designed to be deluxes/Voyagers/whatever. Nothing "misleading" about it.

Thanks to the Internet for this pic below, cause I couldn't be arsed to get them all back out for another photo.
The one on the right in this photo is TFCs Uranos, which is made up of 4 Voyagers and a Leader as the torso and as you can see, the leader makes bugger all difference to the overall height.

The whole concept of a Titan Devy is being loosely held together by hopes, dreams and a ton of assumptions. I want a Titan class Devy as much as anyone, but I am approaching these "rumours" with a healthy dose of scepticism instead of seeing a TRU listing and immediately stripping naked and running down the street screaming "Prepare for Devastation!!!11!1!1!!!1!"

It's misleading because whatever you pretend to yourself in your own collection, they aren't Transformers. It's a bit like describing a 1/144 Gundam model as deluxe-sized, and a 1/100 as voyager-sized. They aren't TF products, so the classification is wrong, even though it's broadly descriptive. Honestly, the fact that one particular non-Hasbro combiner is of a particular height doesn't mean that a new product will be the same. It's more than possible for Hasbro to create a much taller toy if they want to, especially if they are using six combiners.


There's a lot of people convinced, to the point of being angry, that Hasbro will screw up and the toy will suck, without even getting a glimpse of it. I find it bizarre myself.

In the old days of the Internet there was a saying. Pics or it didn't happen.

Was thinking of suggesting a competiton. Get 100 people to draw what they imagine "Titan Devastator" will look like. We'll get a 100 different versions and 75 fans who will not be happy if Hasbro doesn't produce exaclty what they have drawn.

I mean, wait until people find out Hook is called Hightower. What? His name's Hook! Hasbro sucks. Glad I bought Giant.

We've been hearing this rumour for a while now. We have sources who appear to be reliable backing it up. There is no evidence against the idea. I'm sorry that you're feeling cynical, but as a fan of Transformers, I'm going to take the excuse to at least be a little excited for what we'll see at Toy Fair this year.


Im just itching to be able to throw this around:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Wrxus/192e727434c14f5bf983fbc7daf07aef.jpg

:p

And I am glad I bought Giant :) it won't however stop me from buying a 2 foot tall Devy*, IF it happens. Too many people are taking it as a given.


*Provided it's not garbage and a waste of money.

I'm not feeling entitled, nor am I "running down the street naked screaming" (I'll save that for when and if it's actually revealed). I'm simply excited about a possibility that sounds cool, and if nothing else, it means I'll be keeping a close eye on Toy Fair this year (like I do every year). Some people may choose to take it too fair, but all getting excited by the rumours shows is that you're enthusiastic for the hobby, which so many people seem not to be these days.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Actually, for me it'd be better if it is around Feral Rex height, preferably slightly shorter. Cool as I think it is that HasTakTom made a ginormous Metroplex, he's kind of too big for me to be able to display, and a Devastator that dwarfs the other combiners (official Combiner Wars and in my case Feral Rex as well) doesn't really work for me either.
If HTT can put out a well-engineered, solid, roughly-equivalent-to-the-other-combiners Devastator then I'll probably bite. If it's overly big, then I'll have to pass. The only characters/toys I could see myself buying at Titan-class size would be Unicron and/or Primus.

[Deonasis]

We've been hearing this rumour for a while now. We have sources who appear to be reliable backing it up. There is no evidence against the idea. I'm sorry that you're feeling cynical, but as a fan of Transformers, I'm going to take the excuse to at least be a little excited for what we'll see at Toy Fair this year.


I read it as though Paulbot was talking about the people who will deem this Devastator a failure simply because it is Has/Tak is designing it ("even before pics appear") whereas Paulbot IS reserving judgement until pics DO appear.

^These are my thoughts too.

Nobody doubts a Devastator something will be revealed soon. I too am excited :D

[Paulbot]

We've been hearing this rumour for a while now. We have sources who appear to be reliable backing it up. There is no evidence against the idea. I'm sorry that you're feeling cynical, but as a fan of Transformers, I'm going to take the excuse to at least be a little excited for what we'll see at Toy Fair this year.

Don't get me wrong I am very keen to see what this ends up being, no matter how many team members it has, if they do or don't have robot modes, if there's a Prowl in the mix or not, whether all the original names are all used, whether they have attack modes, etc.

My concern (not sure that's the right word) is people having high expectations and hopes and when they aren't met (because you can't please everyone) seeing fans turning around and using that disappointment to justify hating Hasbro and supporting the third party toys instead. You know, the silly arguments: "Giant/Hercules does it this way, why doesn't Hasbro's toy do the same thing. Why isn't the official mass market toy as good as the limited release third party toy. Why does Hasbro hate the fans?"

This sort of stuff is already being posted on the global boards before even an out of focus picture has even been seen. It's the sort of stuff already happening with Combiner Wars Menasor, even though nobody actually owns a Combiner Wars Menasor yet.

If I'm cynical of anything, I'm cynical of fan reactions.

[SuspectimusPrime]

only way it will be called hook is with the disney peter pan crossover devastator

I'd be careful (http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/combiner-disney-characters-t90305s100.php) of what you wish for! :p

[CoRDS]

I'd be careful (http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/combiner-disney-characters-t90305s100.php) of what you wish for! :p

hahhaha thats awesome.

now lets just paint it green and call it devastator. no one will be able to tell the difference

[philby]

It's misleading because whatever you pretend to yourself in your own collection, they aren't Transformers. It's a bit like describing a 1/144 Gundam model as deluxe-sized, and a 1/100 as voyager-sized. They aren't TF products, so the classification is wrong, even though it's broadly descriptive. Honestly, the fact that one particular non-Hasbro combiner is of a particular height doesn't mean that a new product will be the same. It's more than possible for Hasbro to create a much taller toy if they want to, especially if they are using six combiners.



Maybe they are transformers but not Transformers. Anal much?

[CoRDS]

Maybe they are transformers but not Transformers. Anal much?

Even transformers weren't transformers at one point ( now how do I put my tongue in my cheek )

[philby]

I'd be careful (http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/combiner-disney-characters-t90305s100.php) of what you wish for! :p

haha nice one

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

I'd be careful (http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/combiner-disney-characters-t90305s100.php) of what you wish for! :pI kind of want one...the lunch lady at one of my schools is a Disney nut, she'd love this.

As far as "Voyager" and "Deluxe" for 3rd party not-quite TFs go, it's a term of scale used for ease of reference. Technically, sure, they're not officially labelled "Deluxes" or "Scouts", but people understand what it means.
They're just toys, hey...it's not that big a deal.

[Trent]

It's misleading because whatever you pretend to yourself in your own collection, they aren't Transformers. It's a bit like describing a 1/144 Gundam model as deluxe-sized, and a 1/100 as voyager-sized. They aren't TF products, so the classification is wrong, even though it's broadly descriptive. Honestly, the fact that one particular non-Hasbro combiner is of a particular height doesn't mean that a new product will be the same. It's more than possible for Hasbro to create a much taller toy if they want to, especially if they are using six combiners.

How can something "broadly descriptive" be wrong when I am using it in a "broadly descriptive" way to compare products? That makes no sense. And I fail to see how whether the... robots I used for comparisons sake are official or not in any way validates/invalidates my argument like you seem to be implying. Because whether they have a HasTak stamp or not, they were designed to fit in with deluxes/voyagers/leaders.



We've been hearing this rumour for a while now. We have sources who appear to be reliable backing it up. There is no evidence against the idea. I'm sorry that you're feeling cynical, but as a fan of Transformers, I'm going to take the excuse to at least be a little excited for what we'll see at Toy Fair this year.



I'm not feeling entitled, nor am I "running down the street naked screaming" (I'll save that for when and if it's actually revealed). I'm simply excited about a possibility that sounds cool, and if nothing else, it means I'll be keeping a close eye on Toy Fair this year (like I do every year). Some people may choose to take it too fair, but all getting excited by the rumours shows is that you're enthusiastic for the hobby, which so many people seem not to be these days.

So my failure to believe every rumour I hear means I'm not enthusiastic (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/True_fan) enough for the hobby? Huh. Tell me more...


I WANT a titan classed, made up of 6 fully transformable bot Devastator. There are just too many things that don't line up for me to accept it as a given.

[Golden Phoenix]

Alright ladies and gents, lets try to keep it on topic.

In general 3rd party discussion about 3rd party stuff should be kept to the Unauthorised section of the forum. That being said, the validity of a figure as a reference point is never going to be able to be settled as it is purely subjective, so we'll all just have to agree to disagree.

Finally, not gonna let any 'true fan' discussion start because that never ends well. Just gonna nip that in the bud.

Let's get back to discussing Generations Devastator.

[millhouse]

Let's get back to discussing Generations Devastator.

If which we know nothing beyond a (possible) wholesale price and potential SDCC redeco?

[CoRDS]

If which we know nothing beyond a (possible) wholesale price and potential SDCC redeco?

one would hope its a shade of green. but then in this modern era it could be hot pink with purple spots

[Sinnertwin]

If which we know nothing beyond a (possible) wholesale price and potential SDCC redeco?

Aaaand, that about wraps this thread up i guess

[Bidoofdude]

If which we know nothing beyond a (possible) wholesale price and potential SDCC redeco?

It's a discussion. Speculation. It's a rumor after all, so people are adding up what evidence we have so far, including 'reports'.

We have:

-Huge
-Green
-New moulds
-1 Leader and the rest are voyagers (how ever many that may be)

[Trent]

Alright ladies and gents, lets try to keep it on topic.

In general 3rd party discussion about 3rd party stuff should be kept to the Unauthorised section of the forum. That being said, the validity of a figure as a reference point is never going to be able to be settled as it is purely subjective, so we'll all just have to agree to disagree.

Finally, not gonna let any 'true fan' discussion start because that never ends well. Just gonna nip that in the bud.

Let's get back to discussing Generations Devastator.

Spoil sport.

:p

[Sinnertwin]

It's a discussion. Speculation. It's a rumor after all, so people are adding up what evidence we have so far, including 'reports'.

We have:

-Huge
-Green
-New moulds
-1 Leader and the rest are voyagers (how ever many that may be)

i'll be honest, all of this "insider information" regarding this lump of plastic amounts to absolutely nothing in my books & people will always have *new & exciting* information they aren't able to share with the general public or just drop little crumbs to keep us on our toes
But what is it that we exactly know 100%? A listing and name in a computer system? What else has been verified? ;) :)

[Zommael]

i'll be honest, all of this "insider information" regarding this lump of plastic amounts to absolutely nothing in my books & people will always have *new & exciting* information they aren't able to share with the general public or just drop little crumbs to keep us on our toes
But what is it that we exactly know 100%? A listing and name in a computer system? What else has been verified? ;) :)

It's not like there are constantly rumours flying around about TF toys which turn out to be completely untrue; the last one I can remember off the top of my head was that Energon Megatron and Optimus Prime would be able to combine. The Combiner Wars line was rumoured. BH Ultimate Predaking was rumoured. Even the re-direction of the line towards simple toys was rumoured at one point. All of these things turned out to be true. Why shouldn't this? It's not like someone just saying MP-25 will be Megatron out of their ass. We have a name, a pricepoint, and a possible description.

None of that is to say it couldn't still turn out to be complete crap once it's revealed, or turn out to be a redeco of TF2, or a reissue. But none of that fits the information we have at the moment, which suggests a Generations Titan class toy and nothing else. So I guess we'll see what's revealed at Toy Fair. But at the moment I'd say the "no" crowd look more like deniers than skeptics.

[Sinnertwin]

And the overeager and overzealous "yes" crowd look like they've stepped out of make believe land where unicorns run wild and there are rivers of fairy floss where everything is perfect and Devastator will be as tall if not taller than Metroplex...

I'm not denying the listing or possibility of a Devastator, it's all of this here say that people have taken as gospel off of the internet that i find more amusing.
Names, alt modes... give me something more than "i saw the box and it's as big as Metroplex", which, by the way implies nothing -just look at the Platinum Edition Insecticons, and then we'll talk.

[Firestorm]

My belief is (bear in mind I said my BELIEF)
that the box will be more or less the same sized as Titan Metroplex's box, to accommodate the 6 figures in the box. they will most likely come packaged in individual robot modes or altmodes not all combined together in box. plus their combiner kibble (hands, feet, chest, weapons etc)
all 6 G1 constructicons will be included, with their G1 names (so maybe "Constructicon Hook" and stuff to ensure the names a little better) their designs will be more or less how they look in IDW but Prowl won't be included.
Long Haul will be the "leader class" and be a little taller and bulkier than the other 5.
Scrapper, Scavenger, Mixmaster, Hook and Bonecrusher will all be roughly Voyager sized.
they will combine just like they did in G1. so no Hook leg.
Hasbro may make the upcoming deluxe prowl in some way compatable for IDW fans but I doubt it.
Devy's combined mode will be roughly the size of a supreme class figure like Energon Omega Supreme or Armada Unicron. so smaller than Titan Metroplex, but more overall bulk and deserving of the Titan price tag.
all 6 constructicons will be a little compromised by their combiner nature and thus be slightly simplified.
Devy will still have decent articulation though.
it'll be green and purple just like in G1.

that's what I'm expecting. but that's just on my own speculation. so I'm potentially way off. regardless of what it ends up being, I've enjoyed the speculating while waiting to see what it is.


And the overeager and overzealous "yes" crowd look like they've stepped out of make believe land where unicorns run wild and there are rivers of fairy floss where everything is perfect and Devastator will be as tall if not taller than Metroplex...

I read this as unicRONs run wild. can't you just picture our make believe land where Unicron prances around? it's magical. truly magical.
sure some people are being over-eager (me included I guess) but that's just because of how excited they are for a potential Titan Devy, sure, it may end in disappointment, but it's just harmless fun

[prjkt]

I think this Devastator's overall size will depend on just how big each figure is. I mean, are they going to be Brainstorm/CW Optimus size voyagers? Or more Whirl sized?

To add to the speculation, I think Long Haul might be the "leader" class, if there are six in total, and not five, he'd be the obvious choice as the "widest" part of the combined mode - otherwise Dev would possibly have a very narrow waist.

I don't mind if the whole combiner is thicker/more solid than the other CW figures, that's quite fitting for his history (and I'm going to recreate the scene he rips Superion apart) but if he's too much taller, I might be sitting on the fence for a while...

[Bidoofdude]

I think this Devastator's overall size will depend on just how big each figure is. I mean, are they going to be Brainstorm/CW Optimus size voyagers? Or more Whirl sized?

To add to the speculation, I think Long Haul might be the "leader" class, if there are six in total, and not five, he'd be the obvious choice as the "widest" part of the combined mode - otherwise Dev would possibly have a very narrow waist.

I don't mind if the whole combiner is thicker/more solid than the other CW figures, that's quite fitting for his history (and I'm going to recreate the scene he rips Superion apart) but if he's too much taller, I might be sitting on the fence for a while...

I think it'll be Long Haul as well. He's got the thighs and crotch to fill out, besdies the lower torso.

[drahsrebu]

sounds like devastator's individual robot modes will be simplified.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/new-transformers-product-details-from-hong-kong-event-titan-devastator-reisssues-masterpiece-181885/

[Lord_Zed]

sounds like devastator's individual robot modes will be simplified.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/new-transformers-product-details-from-hong-kong-event-titan-devastator-reisssues-masterpiece-181885/

Ooohhh! Not a fan of that "simplified" word, it's tended to make a lot of recent Transformers rather uninteresting for me.

[Bidoofdude]

Ooohhh! Not a fan of that "simplified" word, it's tended to make a lot of recent Transformers rather uninteresting for me.

If they make 2 convincing altmodes for each one, it'll be fine for me.

[Verno]

Someone says "simplified" and all I can see are Happy Meal toys.

[Sinnertwin]

it's not like you need a MENSA degree to transform the CW figures either

[Paulbot]

The original constructions were pretty simple to transform. I'd be happy if they were that simple, but with added ball joints.

I've seen people complaining that it wont be on par with Metroplex, but it's not like Titan Metroplex is a very complex Transformer either.

[Sinnertwin]

lol Metroplex :D
Sit him down & spread his legs. Hey guys! I'm a city now!

[Bidoofdude]

lol Metroplex :D
Sit him down & spread his legs. Hey guys! I'm a city now!

I would be fine if they had an easy transformation as Generations Scoop, only on the voyager size with good articulation and a convincing combined mode.

[Sinnertwin]

I would be fine if they had an easy transformation as Generations Scoop, only on the voyager size with good articulation and a convincing combined mode.

They may very well be & i'd be happy with that too, but until we see some photos, that's just one persons opinion who was present there
:)

[Zommael]

lol Metroplex :D
Sit him down & spread his legs. Hey guys! I'm a city now!

Generations Metroplex does have quite a few folding panels and various little hidden things beyond the G1-esque transformation scheme. Given the amount of detail involved in Metty, I wouldn't class him as a simple toy and if the transformation of the Constructicons are around the same standard then I'd be very happy.

To be honest, all it needs to do is be better than ROTF Devastator and it'll be just about the best (official) Devastator we've ever had.

[The_Damned]

Generations Metroplex does have quite a few folding panels and various little hidden things beyond the G1-esque transformation scheme. Given the amount of detail involved in Metty, I wouldn't class him as a simple toy and if the transformation of the Constructicons are around the same standard then I'd be very happy.

To be honest, all it needs to do is be better than ROTF Devastator and it'll be just about the best (official) Devastator we've ever had.

not setting the bar very high are you

[Sinnertwin]

Generations Metroplex does have quite a few folding panels and various little hidden things beyond the G1-esque transformation scheme. Given the amount of detail involved in Metty, I wouldn't class him as a simple toy and if the transformation of the Constructicons are around the same standard then I'd be very happy.

To be honest, all it needs to do is be better than ROTF Devastator and it'll be just about the best (official) Devastator we've ever had.

We definitely need a sarcasm icon

[Defcon]

I would be fine if the individual bots have similar transformations to G1, but only if that includes articulation in the hips, knees, shoulders, and elbows. If that never happens, then that will disappoint...actually really annoyed. The same needs to apply to the combined mode, I want articulation :p not some inanimate object.

[ChlorHex]

Just saw the leaked photo on FB... Dev looks to be of TFC Herc's size.
For a fraction of the cost of the TFC version, Hasbro's got my money for this bot.

[Dinkydarth]

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/generations-combiner-wars-devastator-revealed/32104/


looks good to me!

anyone know where we can source one?

[Zommael]

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/generations-combiner-wars-devastator-revealed/32104/


looks good to me!

anyone know where we can source one?

Titan Metroplex seemed to sell pretty quickly over here, so it has a good chance of being at Aus retail. Otherwise the usual online sellers, once it's out, which won't be until end of Q2 at the earliest.

[Paulbot]

Once Hasbro actually announce that they are selling this toy* I'm sure preorder options will pop everywhere online**. I agree there's a good chance of it being at Aus retail too and given I overspent on Metroplex I'm not sure if I'll order or wait.

* Hasbro hasn't made any information about the toy public despite the misleading "Devastator revealed" headlines
** Unless it's a shared exclusive and then online ordering options may be limited

[TAAUBlaster]

I reckon he looks pretty good for a Hasbro combiner. Mixmaster looks out of place being flipped upside down as the leg.

I definitely won't be taking the chances with retail on this. Metroplex never showed anywhere in my town that I'm aware of, so as soon as pre-orders open up from an Aussie online store I'm locking one down! Unless of course its a TRU exclusive or something - then I'm out. :/

[griffin]

We will find out at NY and AUS Toyfair how this will be released, but is likely to be similar to Metroplex - available to all Retailers, but not all will take it on.

[prjkt]

I reckon he looks pretty good for a Hasbro combiner. Mixmaster looks out of place being flipped upside down as the leg.

I definitely won't be taking the chances with retail on this. Metroplex never showed anywhere in my town that I'm aware of, so as soon as pre-orders open up from an Aussie online store I'm locking one down! Unless of course its a TRU exclusive or something - then I'm out. :/

I found Metroplex at Myer Chadstone around Christmas 2013, so maybe only the bigger retailers will carry to Titan class figures.

[DELTAprime]

After thinking about the full picture of Devastator for a couple of days I'm 99% OK with the mould, but Mixmaster looks wrong to me.

Also it would be cool if Hasbro would give their convention works instructions.

[Paulbot]

Stand a few Decepticons in front of Devastator and you won't even see Mixmaster's foot (which may still change from this prototype). ;)

[MayzaPrime]

Stand a few Decepticons in front of Devastator and you won't even see Mixmaster's foot (which may still change from this prototype). ;)

I still think it is mis-transformed

[TAAUBlaster]

I found Metroplex at Myer Chadstone around Christmas 2013, so maybe only the bigger retailers will carry to Titan class figures.

He might as well be TRU exclusive if that's the case. We don't have Myer anywhere near Central QLD (although I think there is one in Mackay? which is still 4 hours drive for me) or any of those retailers that usually carry this stuff. Basically between Sunshine Coast and Townsville, is a baron wasteland for major TF retailers. No Myer, No TRU. Now, if McDonalds starts selling TF's - then I'll be set! We've got an abundance of those :p

[Paulbot]

Metroplex was also a toy sale catalogue item at Target and Big W (and appeared at Costco which probably doesn't help).

[Jazzman]

He might as well be TRU exclusive if that's the case. We don't have Myer anywhere near Central QLD (although I think there is one in Mackay? which is still 4 hours drive for me) or any of those retailers that usually carry this stuff. Basically between Sunshine Coast and Townsville, is a baron wasteland for major TF retailers. No Myer, No TRU. Now, if McDonalds starts selling TF's - then I'll be set! We've got an abundance of those :p

Nah, Mack Town has a TRU and Myers... but yeah, a 4 hour drive is a long way to go to get your TF on! haha

[TAAUBlaster]

Nah, Mack Town has a TRU and Myers... but yeah, a 4 hour drive is a long way to go to get your TF on! haha

My bad - thanks for the correction ;)
I thought the Mackay TRU burnt down a few years ago, and weren't rebuilding?

[Tober]

Gonna close this thread as we don't need two, and it's no longer a rumor.

Please continue discussion here: :)

Titan Combiner Devastator - first look at German Toyfair (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=20258)