Titan Combiner Devastator - first look at German Toyfair

[philby]

an english review is up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhvpC7YEhF8

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/video-review-transformers-generations-combiner-wars-devastator-english/33214/

[WeallscreamforStarscream]

wow awesome! when are we getting it here?

[fatbot]

wow awesome! when are we getting it here?

We're not, it's a going to whatever state wins the State of Origin, GO NEW SOUTH WALES!

[UltimateGalvatron]

We're not, it's a going to whatever state wins the State of Origin, GO NEW SOUTH WALES!

Sport isn't real unless it involves Blitzwing.

Triple Takeover... anyone?

[philby]

i have to admit my interest has waned a little as some more info and photos came out. that video may have just brought it back up.

some (long, what the heck happened there???) thoughts after watching

- watching the video it looks a lot better than in photos, i guess that is to be expected but does help a bit in making me more excited
- it does look like there is HEAPS of sculpted detail on the figures in alt modes, but some of it may get lost in the bigger picture, i wonder if an ink wash or something may help bring it out
- i'm not really a fan of that particular yellow-ish green but man does that purple pop out, it does seem very vibrant and the other red, silver and black touches to me do look fantastic. the heads and bot modes look great in terms of paint and detail also
- i think bonecrusher has always seemed a bit bland, i really like just the simple touch of the black inside the treads on the sdcc version. why keep that for an exclusive? because this is trying to be an accurate homage? if that's so, why change mixmaster then? i don't quite get some of the design decisions made but maybe there will be some explanations or something later.
- i'm impressed at the way they get everything together without using any extra connection bits or 'kibble'
- there's certainly been a lot of...discussion...on some forums regarding lack of elbows etc. i don't think it really seems that bad from watching the video and seeing the figures held and stuff. they all look like they have pretty good articulation everywhere else
- however there does seem to be some definite 'playability' compromises with things like not being able to rotate the crane and scoop etc. the tray doesn't seem like it tilts either. i've got the encore 20A and there is a little bit of childish joy in pretending they are actually constructing or being a site or something lol. doesn't look like you will be able to do this with these ones.
- he does look very imposing and solid in combined mode, sweet!

seeing that has made me more excited about the thing but i still just wonder if the focus on "cheap(...? compared to 3rd party at least)" and "huge" has meant compromises in articulation and playability.

i also want to see more of the takara version, i'm not sure if i want this regular retail colour.

[Bidoofdude]

The video makes him look pretty snazzy. Bonecrusher and Scavenger in particular look like Masterpieces (accuracy and engineering-wise). Scrapper's arms are disappointing, but the rest is gorgeously accurate and well detailed. Sumo Long Haul looks pretty cool as well, arms could be better. Mixmaster's alright, the only problem being his tail.

Can't wait.

[TAAUBlaster]

Holy crap. Takara actually put elbows on Scrapper for the UW version! :eek::eek:
Really regretting pre-ordering the Hasbro version now. :(:(

[EDIT] Long Haul has elbows too!
[EDIT 2] Takara really went all out. The other guys get upgraded elbow joints too by the look of it. And Dev has purple hands!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/taaublaster/th_C8KGDI1_zpsoedbfqh3.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/taaublaster/media/C8KGDI1_zpsoedbfqh3.jpg.html)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/taaublaster/th_3H0NZNy_zpsfkeq1elv.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/taaublaster/media/3H0NZNy_zpsfkeq1elv.jpg.html)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/taaublaster/th_eWWAXif_zps2oo05ebi.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/taaublaster/media/eWWAXif_zps2oo05ebi.jpg.html)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/taaublaster/th_z4Dpd95_zpsqlll5otr.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/taaublaster/media/z4Dpd95_zpsqlll5otr.jpg.html)

Posted by Monari over at TFW
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/1044749-tokyo-toy-show-transformers-panel-roundup-unite-devastator-mp-optimus-primal-iron-8.html#post12670502

[philby]

looks like they added some colour to bonecrusher's treads too. i think i will be passing on the hasbro one for the takara one!

[doublespy]

Words can not begin to describe how mad I am at Hasblow right now.

I knew the combined form integrity/solidity was no issue, as long as there's a bit more budget room. Hasblow you have gone all the way to suck up to the fans in giving us a G1-inspired Devy who kids nowadays have now idea about. Couldn't you share just a little bit more of your profit with us so poor'ol Scrapper and Long Haul can have proper elbows? It's been a looong time since a modern Transformer toy this size to not have elbow joints. Heck them legends figures have now as standard issue.

I can deal with the Hasbro retail version not having G1 weapons, and not having the awesome visor gimmick, but I'd hate to look at this version and say to myself: man there's another version out there that doesn't feel like it's engineered 20 years ago.

And the timing could not be perfect. With the regular Devy just around the corner, I know I'll definitely be a sucker and pick it up and then hating myself for doing so:p

[spiderken17]

I am definitely considering getting this now. Pretty much MP Devastator.

[Bidoofdude]

Takara it is. Flipping visor+paint apps+elbows= buy

[DELTAprime]

Looks like I won't be buying Devastator at the Big W toy sale, Takara Tomy version for me.

BTW: Mods can we get these post moved to the UW Devastator thread instead of the Hasbro thread.

[MV75]

Now that looks much better. I was thinking how plain and cheap it looked without the silver front on mixmaster when in combined form, yea that alone made it look cheap. This version has that detail plus much more.

Now that is g1 devastator. :)

I bought encore 20a a little while ago, and this version really looks to be the mp version of that with the details.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/comparison-images-encore-20a-anime-devastator/26552/

[kurdt_the_goat]

Video of the TT version announcement - showing the visor gimmick: https://youtu.be/buZu9rD7Qh0?t=4m30s

[DaptoDog]

Well I have a happy compromise. I will buy the Hasbro from Big W for my son and will pre order the Takara one for myself. My son won't care about elbows etc.:p

[BigTransformerTrev]

Well I have a happy compromise. I will buy the Hasbro from Big W for my son and will pre order the Takara one for myself. My son won't care about elbows etc.:p

I'll do the same except I'll keep both :p

[Shirokaze]

They had me at articulated elbows!

Will no longer be buying the Hasbro version unfortunately, have to support TT since they have the fans' best interests at heart :)

[DaptoDog]

I'll do the same except I'll keep both :p

Haha nice one Trev.

[GoktimusPrime]

Maybe Hasbro AU will import that TakTOM version here as they are going to do w/ Superion. :o Don't take this as any form of confirmation -- I honestly have no clue and this is just pure speculation (re: wishful thinking) ;)

[Akky82]

I had hinted at wanting woolies/big w vouchers rather than coles this month from work, and my boss delivered, some people were annoyed so I traded them coles ones from previous months... Prepared to buy devestator at big W toy sale but now... No. Guess I'll use them on petrol and groceries and save for UW preorder (with Menasor in hand, defensor due this week and superion hopefully this week or next, I'm happy to wait for the UW versions of this and Bruticus, gives me time to make room, just wish I'd held off and gotten UW defensor instead).

Makes it easier to pass on SDCC too, elbows elbows!

[Lord_Zed]

I was going to pass on Devastator given he looks quite cheap, but Taktom have given him and outstanding paint job, that disguises a lot of the toys flaws.


I am definitely considering getting this now. Pretty much MP Devastator.

In looks yeah, I doubt he will feel like an MP in hand, however on the shelf next to an MP in bot mode, this version might just do the trick. Very clever of Taktom there, I too am tempted.



Maybe Hasbro AU will import that TakTOM version here as they are going to do w/ Superion. :o Don't take this as any form of confirmation -- I honestly have no clue and this is just pure speculation (re: wishful thinking) ;)

That would be cool, except for the inflated price tag.

[drifand]

Why it can't feel like a mp? I mean mp are cheap plastic. If anything it won't feel like a binaltech.

I think many have overrated the quality of the mp line. There are only a handful of quality ones from the series but not the entire line.
They too lacked of paint apps.

[Smint]

I feel the same about the MP line. They're definitely a step above the regular lines but sometimes that step isn't big enough to justify the high markup on price.

I mean no shoulder cannons for the datsuns? Come on.

[drifand]

Anyway back into devy, I was about to pick up the hasbro one when a few of you caught my attention to the better paint apps on takara version.

I guess I have to wait and see the price.

[benny444]

I guess I'll be getting both :) I'll have the Hasbro version in robot modes and the Takara version in Devastator mode :)

[Lord_Zed]

Why it can't feel like a mp? I mean mp are cheap plastic. If anything it won't feel like a binaltech.

I think many have overrated the quality of the mp line. There are only a handful of quality ones from the series but not the entire line.
They too lacked of paint apps.

It's not all plastic it's also the feel of the toy. given the size of Devestator I'm expecting his components to be extremely hollow and lightweight. MP plastic may not be best around, but the toys still have a certain weight to them and more than an equivalent sized toy in the current lines. I'll be extremely pleasantly surprised if the Constructicons weigh as much as an equivalent sized MP, but I doubt they will as their likely to have nowhere near the parts count, and hence a different feel to them.

[UltimateGalvatron]

In my view, Bonecrusher and Scavenger are MP like, Hook , Mixmaster and Long Haul are Generations and Scrapper is like... AOE! :eek:

Devastator I can't really decide if MP or Generations

[Stug]

Interestingly, I was all geared up to grab Devastator from Big W this week then began debating if the TakTOM was better... In reality, I'll display him combined almost exclusively so the improvements on the individual bots don't worry me. But I like the Hasbro combined version better (of all the differences, I really don't like TakTOM Bonecrusher's purple running gear, it draws my eye and is too different from the original for me).

In considering that I was trying to decide where it best fits in my collection - he's too big to scale with the other combiners for CHUG and doesn't really fit anywhere else.

...so despite really wanting this figure I think I've somehow talked myself out of getting him all together!!! :confused: (And thinking of all the other figures I could put that money towards.)

[Shirokaze]

I feel the same about the MP line. They're definitely a step above the regular lines but sometimes that step isn't big enough to justify the high markup on price.

I mean no shoulder cannons for the datsuns? Come on.

I feel the $55ea I paid for the Datsuns was easily justifiable. Especially considering the additional engineering involved over, say, your average voyager which many are happy to pay $40-50 for. ;)

[Smint]

PC said they'll be getting the TT version for cheaper than 200. No reason for me to the inferior version from big w then.

[5FDP]

Since mine is going to be permanently displayed in combined mode, I care not for elbows :p I'm not fussed about the additional paint apps either as the Hasbro version looks more uniform IMO and closer to the animation art. For all those people now passing on the Hasbro release, thank you :) You have increased my chances of picking one up ;)

[Nonalyth]

I was absolutely prepared to pick up the Hasbro release this week, and was feeling pretty damned excited about it. Then I heard about the improvements that the Takara release was going to have, and it sent me spiralling into a pit of uncertainty. If I'm going to drop $200 on a toy, why wouldn't I wait for the best release? Now seeing those pictures, you know what I realise?

I don't give a damn about Scrapper's elbows. I Just want that thing inside me my house.

[prjkt]

PC said they'll be getting the TT version for cheaper than 200. No reason for me to the inferior version from big w then.

If thats the case, I'm tempted...

[drifand]

I do care about individual robot mode as you may not be able to display all combined in a cabinet, also will make my mp section with more decepticons

[Otter]

PC said they'll be getting the TT version for cheaper than 200. No reason for me to the inferior version from big w then.

I don't believe it. When have Popcultcha ever stocked anything at a cheaper price than big retailers? And an import to boot?

[Otter]

Is there a comprehensive list of differences between the Hasbro and Takara versions anywhere? I'm having trouble deciding.

[Tober]

I don't believe it. When have Popcultcha ever stocked anything at a cheaper price than big retailers? And an import to boot?

PC = Premium Collectables (http://www.premiumcollectables.com.au/collections/transformers/)

[Otter]

PC = Premium Collectables (http://www.premiumcollectables.com.au/collections/transformers/)

Ah... My mistake, sorry.

[Paulbot]

Is there a comprehensive list of differences between the Hasbro and Takara versions anywhere? I'm having trouble deciding.

Changes for the Takara version: Bonecrusher has purple inside his treads for the combined mode. Long Haul and Scrapper have elbow joints. The six bots come with their own guns. Mixmaster's Devastator foot has been made to look more like the G1 version. Some different/additional paint apps.

Oh almost forgot. Takara's has a swappable eye gimmick allowing Devastator to have two eyes or a visor.

I did see a photo comparison over the weekend but google is not helping me find it again.

[Otter]

Changes for the Takara version...

Cool, thanks.

Are Takara Devastator's hands purple rather than Hasbro's black, too?

[Paulbot]

Cool, thanks.

Are Takara Devastator's hands purple rather than Hasbro's black, too?

Yep, that's part of it too

[UltraMarginal]

and apparently the takara vehicles have painted tyre rims.

[Akky82]

and apparently the takara vehicles have painted tyre rims.

This all makes me want it more. Seein all the posts in joyful june about people joining the devy club makes me wanna pick one up on the way home this afternoon. However re-reading these changes (thanks bidoof etc) I can wait... unless my brother is willing to take a hasbro one off my hands when takara's is released (he's a devestator fan but not a collector).

[ampoldj]

The Takara version sample seen on the toy show is most likely the final product but as Hisashi Yuki said, there are still some small details that needs to be fix.

[drifand]

So hasbro version doesn't have individual weapons?

[Bladestorm]

For those of you who now have Devy, can you post some pics and let us know how you find him in terms of transformations, combining and playability? (Perhaps in a new thread?)

I really hope he is released here soon as my son is driving me nuts wanting him.

[drifand]

Surprised no one posed it standing next to titans metroplex

[BruiseLee]

Surprised no one posed it standing next to titans metroplex

Would be nice to see him posed surrounded by all 3 versions of titan metroplex. :D

[Otter]

I'd like to see him next to MP10. Or any other Masterpiece transformer.

[CoRDS]

I'd like to see him next to MP10. Or any other Masterpiece transformer.

http://i.imgur.com/rXgKcKo.jpg?1
wheeljack ok?

[Initial_G]

haha that looks cool

trying to find but no luck atm, what the differences are between Hasbro and Takara versions

[Paulbot]

Here you go from a few posts ago


Changes for the Takara version: Bonecrusher has purple inside his treads for the combined mode. Long Haul and Scrapper have elbow joints. The six bots come with their own guns. Mixmaster's Devastator foot has been made to look more like the G1 version. Some different/additional paint apps.

Oh almost forgot. Takara's has a swappable eye gimmick allowing Devastator to have two eyes or a visor, and the hands are purple (like the original toy) instead of black

I did see a photo comparison over the weekend but google is not helping me find it again.

[drifand]

Here you go from a few posts ago

Your post really make me stop to think I want the takara version even if it's $50 more it feels worth it.

[Initial_G]

Here you go from a few posts ago

Thx :)

[Paulbot]

Also see here, with a graphic for the difference

http://tformers.com/combiner-wars-devastator-hasbro-vs-takara-the-battle-for-your-wallet/26948/news.html

[Otter]

wheeljack ok?
Thank you sir, that is awesome!

I think he will work out just fine next to MP Transformers.

[drifand]

Here you go from a few posts ago


Thank you sir, that is awesome!

I think he will work out just fine next to MP Transformers.

If people were thinking of scale wise you be kidding for a huge devy.
For a g1 toy mp scale I say it is correct to some point

[kup]

Words can not begin to describe how mad I am at Hasblow right now.

I knew the combined form integrity/solidity was no issue, as long as there's a bit more budget room. Hasblow you have gone all the way to suck up to the fans in giving us a G1-inspired Devy who kids nowadays have now idea about. Couldn't you share just a little bit more of your profit with us so poor'ol Scrapper and Long Haul can have proper elbows? It's been a looong time since a modern Transformer toy this size to not have elbow joints. Heck them legends figures have now as standard issue.

I can deal with the Hasbro retail version not having G1 weapons, and not having the awesome visor gimmick, but I'd hate to look at this version and say to myself: man there's another version out there that doesn't feel like it's engineered 20 years ago.

And the timing could not be perfect. With the regular Devy just around the corner, I know I'll definitely be a sucker and pick it up and then hating myself for doing so:p


OMG - I thought that the elbow complaints were just fans complaining about the design of the elbow. I had no idea that they actually did not have any!

They are asking for a premium for this set so the least they could do is include elbows! Geez..

[Lord_Zed]

No waist swivels for most of them either, but surely this can't be a surprise. How else could Hasbro release such a big toy for under $200.

[drifand]

No waist swivels for most of them either, but surely this can't be a surprise. How else could Hasbro release such a big toy for under $200.

Ur metroplex was under 150

[philby]

Ur metroplex was under 150

yes...but that's one big toy compared to 6 big toys with their own design and engineering etc that combine into one even bigger. not quite apples and apples.

[drifand]

yes...but that's one big toy compared to 6 big toys with their own design and engineering etc that combine into one even bigger. not quite apples and apples.

I don't see it that way to be honest.
Being that hasbro version excluded the weapons was a bit disappointed.
Metroplex has its own complexity.

[Bidoofdude]

Ur metroplex was under 150

Wasn't he about $98 at one point?

[drifand]

Wasn't he about $98 at one point?

Yes he was and hence I am thinking this guy is actually a bit costly without the full shebang like the takara version.

For metroplex I didn't take takara as I didn't feel the need for it. However this time if the price is right, I go takara as the pros are quite a lot.

[GoktimusPrime]

I'm curious to see if giving Scrapper elbows will in any way affect his arms' load bearing ability as Devastator's right heel spurs. Because having put Devvy into various action and fighting poses, I gotta say that it does take on a significant amount of weight.

[griffin]

OMG - I thought that the elbow complaints were just fans complaining about the design of the elbow. I had no idea that they actually did not have any!

They are asking for a premium for this set so the least they could do is include elbows! Geez..


I'm curious to see if giving Scrapper elbows will in any way affect his arms' load bearing ability as Devastator's right heel spurs. Because having put Devvy into various action and fighting poses, I gotta say that it does take on a significant amount of weight.

This is why Hasbro said at BotCon that they didn't give elbows, because the toy wasn't stable enough in combined mode with them... and they are interested to see what TakaraTomy have done to give theirs stability.
I'd prefer a Devastator that doesn't keep falling over than a couple of missing elbows that don't effect play with the majority of people buying the toy. (which is the priority of Hasbro - doing what the majority of their customers will want in order to make *them* buy their products, and then throw in as much extras for the fans as they can afford)

[5FDP]

This is why Hasbro said at BotCon that they didn't give elbows, because the toy wasn't stable enough in combined mode with them...


I thought that this would be obvious to everyone, even by just looking at the pics, but it's nice to have them confirm.

I would definitely take stability over elbows any day of the week. It's not even a choice really.

[drifand]

I thought that this would be obvious to everyone, even by just looking at the pics, but it's nice to have them confirm.

I would definitely take stability over elbows any day of the week. It's not even a choice really.

Wasn't obvious to me but I now know.
Question is how much more is takara version?

[ampoldj]

Looks like TFi Down Under has opened its preorders for the Takara Devy, $200 :eek:

http://www.tfidownunder.com/shop/takara-tomy-unite-warriors-devastator/

[leej84]

Looks like TFi Down Under has opened its preorders for the Takara Devy, $200 :eek:

http://www.tfidownunder.com/shop/takara-tomy-unite-warriors-devastator/

premium collectables are doing the same soon i think, at a similar price

[drifand]

Looks like TFi Down Under has opened its preorders for the Takara Devy, $200 :eek:

http://www.tfidownunder.com/shop/takara-tomy-unite-warriors-devastator/

There is a disclaimer about price and you can't cancel your order.
There is a warning at the tfi thread atm.

[5FDP]

Wasn't obvious to me but I now know.

Fair enough and I'm sure you're not alone. Since I own the G1 version, I realised early on that Scrapper, in particular his arms, would form one of the heels similar to the original. Given that CW Devy stands at 45 cms and weighs a fair bit, including elbow joints could affect the stability, especially if they're weakened by ongoing 'play wear'. Maybe this won't be the case, but either way, I wouldn't be spending $200 plus on a maybe. Not going to be an issue for anyone displaying him in individual bot modes obviously.

[Sinnertwin]

Looks like TFi Down Under has opened its preorders for the Takara Devy, $200 :eek:

http://www.tfidownunder.com/shop/takara-tomy-unite-warriors-devastator/

Be sure to read the fine print

[drifand]

Fair enough and I'm sure you're not alone. Since I own the G1 version, I realised early on that Scrapper, in particular his arms, would form one of the heels similar to the original. Given that CW Devy stands at 45 cms and weighs a fair bit, including elbow joints could affect the stability, especially if they're weakened by ongoing 'play wear'. Maybe this won't be the case, but either way, I wouldn't be spending $200 plus on a maybe. Not going to be an issue for anyone displaying him in individual bot modes obviously.



Wished I knew a bit earlier but it is all good

[ampoldj]

Be sure to read the fine print


Yeah it was estimate price and i think it is obvious since no one else is opening up POs but i think it is a decent estimate considering how Hasbro and Takara prices are already close with each other

[kup]

This is why Hasbro said at BotCon that they didn't give elbows, because the toy wasn't stable enough in combined mode with them... and they are interested to see what TakaraTomy have done to give theirs stability.
I'd prefer a Devastator that doesn't keep falling over than a couple of missing elbows that don't effect play with the majority of people buying the toy. (which is the priority of Hasbro - doing what the majority of their customers will want in order to make *them* buy their products, and then throw in as much extras for the fans as they can afford)

I am not totally buying it. Basically, the elbows would only be a hinder if the angle of them as Devastator's heel was with the elbows were facing forwards. If the elbows were facing back, the weight of Devastator would lock them in solid for stability as the arms are not placed in a straight angle..

[Sinnertwin]

Third party Devastator components all have elbow joints, do they not?
I think we all know that despite the spin Hasbro have put on it, it's a budget issue.

[Bidoofdude]

December's perfect timing, I'll wait for a confirmed price, hopefully the preorder stays up until around that time. If all else fails, Hasbro is the answer.

[prjkt]

Third party Devastator components all have elbow joints, do they not?
I think we all know that despite the spin Hasbro have put on it, it's a budget issue.

Can't speak for Hercules, but Green Giant's Scrapper's arms fold up into the wheel wells, not sticking straight out like with G1/CW Devastator, and there's some parts forming involved in moving a stabilising piece there to hold them in place - not ideal in a kids' toy, so I can understand Hasbro's choice.

[BruiseLee]

With Herc, the arms fold up and tab into the shoulder so both forearms form up a heel. Quite solid so maybe this is what the Takara one will do?

http://i62.tinypic.com/mhuez6.jpg

[leej84]

^dont think so, from the pictures and judging by comparison it'll do the same as hasbro. but its not hard to make the elbow joint tighter and if it'll fold like mixmaster's elbows i dont see a big problem

[Jaxius._]

*buys hasbro*
*buys the hundreds of 3p kits to make it better*
*more expensive than takara*

[doublespy]

I am not totally buying it. Basically, the elbows would only be a hinder if the angle of them as Devastator's heel was with the elbows were facing forwards. If the elbows were facing back, the weight of Devastator would lock them in solid for stability as the arms are not placed in a straight angle..

I agree.

From the Tokyo Toy show photos, it looks like a different, presumably stronger plastic is used for Scrapper's fore arm and elbow, then painted green. It's not that Takara haven't made any engineering mistakes but with this critical change I'd like to think they've made sure it would work.

[dsphatlite]

Can't seem to find the post, but I recall Oz Comic Con having access to the SDCC Devy?