Spider-Man to join the Marvel movie universe!

[GoktimusPrime]

http://www.newsarama.com/23475-marvel-sony-make-deal-to-bring-spider-man-to-the-marvel-cinematic-universe.html

I hope it's done in a way that doesn't conflict w/ either Sony or Marvel/Disney's continuities, which shouldn't be too hard. I can't think of anything that happened in either continuity that explicitly contradicts each other.

[M-bot]

This news makes me very happy.:D

[UltraMarginal]

I wonder if this is really just a case of Disney telling Sony to pull their head in. :p

'Do this or we'll pull Infinity from Playstation.' :D;)

It's good to see an arrangement being made. I'm not hugely into comics outside of Transformers and The Phantom but I have really been enjoying Marvel movies for along time.

[Paulbot]

http://www.newsarama.com/23475-marvel-sony-make-deal-to-bring-spider-man-to-the-marvel-cinematic-universe.html

I hope it's done in a way that doesn't conflict w/ either Sony or Marvel/Disney's continuities, which shouldn't be too hard. I can't think of anything that happened in either continuity that explicitly contradicts each other.

As far as Marvel's statement reads to me, the Amazing Spider-Man story is over. They say "the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062/sony_pictures_entertainment_brings_marvel_studios_ into_the_amazing_world_of_spider-man#ixzz3RJqOlaho)" and that "they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger".

Be interesting to see if the Sinister Six and Female-lead movie Sony were planning are dead or back to drawing board.

It'd be great, but highly unlikely, if they could keep the identity of the new Spider-Man actor secret until you were sitting there watching Captain America: Civil War and Spider-Man swings in to the press conference, stands next to Iron Man and pulls his mask off, "My name is Peter Parker, and I've been Spider-Man since I was 15 years old").

(But in the world of Internet spoilers and exclusive pics from the set leaks they'll never pull that off! :( )

[drifand]

Thank god. Now left X-men to rejoin the group.

[CBratron]

Nice to see they've realised even a tiny percentage is worth it when Marvel is doing the heavy lifting.

[drifand]

I don't think Sony had done a bad job but, it is for the better that they combined, as we would like to see those Captain America and Spiderman or the Avengers.

[loophole]

HOORAY!!!!!

[Bidoofdude]

For the love of everything, put Drake Bell as Peter Parker/Spiderman (spoiler alert). He does the voice excellently in Ultimate Spiderman (great show) and he looks enough like most incarnations.

[GoktimusPrime]

As far as Marvel's statement reads to me, the Amazing Spider-Man story is over. They say "the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062/sony_pictures_entertainment_brings_marvel_studios_ into_the_amazing_world_of_spider-man#ixzz3RJqOlaho)" and that "they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger".
Methinks you're right. In this case I hope that they just take the character in a direction that neither confirms nor denies the Sonyverse Spiderman. Should be easy enough -- just don't have any of the Stacies appear. Stick with Mary Jane Watson as his love interest and use another police captain -- if indeed there's enough room in an ensemble crossover story to have such characters appear. It's not as if any of the Avengers' secondary characters appear in the Avengers film (e.g. Pepper Potts, Jane Foster, Betty Ross, Peggy Carter etc.), so odds are they'd just focus on the characters as they appear in that particular film's setting and not worry too much about their pre-stories. Which I think is better anyway, because you don't want to waste screen-time doing individual character prologues in that kind of movie (that's what the separate stand-alone movies are for).

[Paulbot]

It's not as if any of the Avengers' secondary characters appear in the Avengers film (e.g. Pepper Potts, Jane Foster, Betty Ross, Peggy Carter etc.)...
Maybe rewatch the Avengers a little closer... ;)

[griffin]

So I guess AM3 & AM4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Spider-Man_2#Sequels_and_spinoffs) are cancelled then, leaving an annoying tease of things that were meant to come at the end of AM2.
It was only just in October that Marvel and Sony had discussions about including Spiderman in the MCU with a brand new trilogy and in CA3 (according to the leak of Sony emails from the hack last year (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/12/09/sony-marvel-discussed-spider-man-movie-crossover/)), which broke down due to Sony's demands on the screening rights... but really, this is a money-making idea that both parties can benefit from (drawing in people to their movies from the other movies... if not already), why do they need to be so greedy just to prevent someone else from making money.

It's like saying that if I can't have something, no one will... and destroy it just to prevent other people from benefiting as well, even though there was enough for everyone.
(and too many reboots in a short time-frame is just going to drive away fans who get an attachment to a previous, yet recent, version)


What is with corporate greed... did they not learn from the GFC about trying to outdo each other instead of working together so that everyone benefits.

[M-bot]

Thank god. Now left X-men to rejoin the group.

And the FF...

As for X-Men? I doubt Fox will be as desperate to hand over the rights to X-Men as Sony has been with Spider-Man - the recent X-Men films have been getting a bit more creatively on track after X-Men 3 and the first Wolverine film, not to mention profitable, whereas it could be argued that other than the brilliant casting of Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield, Sony have been a bit clueless as to what to do with Spiderman (Basically throwing villains at him in the second film and making up an illogical, complicated and pointless backstory for him. And who, may I ask, is clamouring for a Sinister Six film? Really?)

[griffin]

Maybe rewatch the Avengers a little closer... ;)

That is true.

But the sad fact is that they probably do have to look at ways of limiting the number of characters brought together, because the more main characters you cram into a cross-over film, the more expensive it gets if most of those main characters are big stars... as well as being problematic in getting everyone at the one place at the one time (many big name actors have busy filming schedules, which can sometimes be a reason for sequels to be missing characters, or they get written out quickly due to clashing film schedules - an example being the Expendables 2 & 3).

And then you get into the whole thing with Egos... as in, who gets top billing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billing_%28filmmaking%29#Competitive_top_billing) (the order of the credits, and the sample of names on promotional movie posters).
Rules have had to be developed when there is a dispute over who gets top billing when both are considered equal (http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2002/oct/13/featuresreview.review1), but even that can still lead to compromises, or else stars have been known to refuse a role if they don't get their name first in the credits or above the movie title... even if they don't have a major role.
(some actors have gone so far as to have their names removed from the credits completely, just because they didn't get their name above the title on movie posters like their more famous co-stars) :rolleyes:

[GoktimusPrime]

Maybe rewatch the Avengers a little closer... ;)
Oops (I've had a long day :p).
Anyway, hopefully the Stacies just won't appear. If they want to give Peter a love interest or whatever, then I hope they go for Mary Jane Watson. It really shouldn't be hard to place Spidey into the Avengers without conflicting with the Sonyverse... just avoid using certain characters like Gwen, Captain Stacey, Curt Connors etc. There are plenty of other characters from Spiderman's universe that they can use if they so want to.

[Paulbot]

What if it's not actually Peter Parker in the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Hello Miles Morales welcome to the big time!

[GoktimusPrime]

As long as it's not Ben Reilly. :p

[Sharky]

As long as it's not Ben Reilly. :p

Why Not...

I wonder if the upcoming secret wars event will have an impact on the marvel movies in anyway..

Spider verse and the incursion events are almost done

who knows who will be who when the dust settles

[Lint]

As far as Marvel's statement reads to me, the Amazing Spider-Man story is over. They say "the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062/sony_pictures_entertainment_brings_marvel_studios_ into_the_amazing_world_of_spider-man#ixzz3RJqOlaho)" and that "they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger".

Be interesting to see if the Sinister Six and Female-lead movie Sony were planning are dead or back to drawing board.



I think this article (http://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/) pretty much confirms and answers most your points :)

[griffin]

I think this article (http://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/) pretty much confirms and answers most your points :)

It is indeed a shame to be rebooting, or having three movie versions of Spiderman in just 9 years.


The Amazing Spider-Man 3 has been cancelled. Andrew Garfield is no longer playing the character. The studio is still moving forward with the Spider-Man villain-centric “Sinister Six,” and “Venom” spinoff, as well as a film that features female characters in the “Spider-Man” universe.

And someone in Hollywood has finally seen sense...


an arrangement that enables both Sony and Marvel to mutually benefit at the box office

Which is a shame that it can't happen more often, especially if a story makes more sense or to have an inclusion or crossover than having the characters absent.


Character crossovers across studio films are virtually unheard of... Hollywood actually figured out a way to work together for once.

[MayzaPrime]

Awesome if true...

I would love to see Spiderman in the Avengers movie...

Now for Wolverine to make a cameo and I would be a very happy man :D

[Gutsman Heavy]

Meh, as long as the new Spidey is better than that ASM crap I couldn't care if it's part the the MCU, that novelty has worn off.

[GoktimusPrime]

I can deal with a 'soft' reboot; much like what Marvel did w/ The Incredible Hulk. I'd rather that over a full hardcore reboot that completely goes against what was established in the Sonyverse.

I didn't mind the first Amazing Spiderman movie. The sequel was horrible though. :(

[drifand]

I can deal with a 'soft' reboot; much like what Marvel did w/ The Incredible Hulk. I'd rather that over a full hardcore reboot that completely goes against what was established in the Sonyverse.

I didn't mind the first Amazing Spiderman movie. The sequel was horrible though. :(

I didn't mind anything, I just hated the fact he wasn't part of Avengers.
Same goes for x-men.

[shockNwave]

Gee, I hope they introduce that Spidey villain called the Demogoblin (he's better than the Original Green Goblin, the Green Goblin & the Hobgoblin).:eek:

[GoktimusPrime]

I read a rumour somewhere that Spidey's next screen villain will be Adrian Toomes/the Vulture. Of course, this rumour's been floatin' round the web ever since the first Sam Raimi film, so take it with a massive chunk o' salt. ;)

[BruiseLee]

I read a rumour somewhere that Spidey's next screen villain will be Adrian Toomes/the Vulture. Of course, this rumour's been floatin' round the web ever since the first Sam Raimi film, so take it with a massive chunk o' salt. ;)

Hmm if it is Toomes wonder what the chances are of him being portrayed as a hunky 30-40ish year old person rather than the decrepit old fart he is in the comics. :rolleyes:

Did I just use the word hunky....

[Smint]

Such good news for Marvel fans. And such a shame Xmen is still with fox.

Thanks to Singer I''m still waiting for an Xmen movie because we've got 5 Wolverine movies, co starring Mystique and guest appearances from the "Xmen".

I cant stand the singerverse.

[griffin]

It would cost a billion dollars, but how good would it be for the marvel superhero groups (Xmen, Avengers, GotG, FF, Spidey) to have one big crossover movie, like those epic comics that had dozens of superheroes taking on a cosmic threat to Earth.

With different movie studios owning different Marvel superheroes, it'll never happen.

[GoktimusPrime]

It is possible, so long as the film doesn't reference the movies owned by the other studio(s). This is why Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were able to appear in Avengers: Age of Ultron. The film only mentions that they are super powered humans who were orphaned as children. It doesn't use the word "mutants," nor does it make any reference to Magneto being their father. Their age also conflicts with the X-Men films, as Quicksilver was still a teenager in 1973 in X-Men: Days of Future Past, thus it clearly establishes the Marvel Studios universe as being a separate continuity from Fox's Marvel universe. And as I understand it, Spider-Man will also appear in the next Avengers film, but again they cannot reference the Sony films, so most likely the film will not retell Spider-Man's origins (but perhaps make a vague reference that doesn't relate to the Sonyverse, as they did w/ the twins). This is also why Marvel can't use the word "Adamantium" in their movieverse, and instead use the word "Vibranium."

So it is theoretically possible. It would simply involve Marvel Studios*, 20th Century Fox**, Sony☆, and possibly Universal※ & Lionsgate★ sitting down and agreeing to it. And writers would simply have to ensure that rules are followed so that the non-Marvel studios films are not directly referenced.

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*Avengers (incl. Hulk＊, Iron Man, Capt. America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Thor, Falcon, War Machine etc.)
**X-Men (incl. Wolverine, Deadpool, Cable etc.) Fantastic Four (incl. Silver Surfer)
☆Spider-Man
※Namor
★Man-Thing
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＊I'm not entirely sure about how the rights for Hulk works. Hulk (2003) was made by Universal, and The Incredible Hulk was made by Universal but produced by Marvel. Marvel are able to use the Hulk in their Avengers films, and they are certainly able to even reference his origins (even directly linking it with Captain America's back story). But as I understand it, it's still Universal and not Marvel who still owns the rights to make stand alone Hulk films.

[Paulbot]

It would cost a billion dollars, but how good would it be for the marvel superhero groups (Xmen, Avengers, GotG, FF, Spidey) to have one big crossover movie, like those epic comics that had dozens of superheroes taking on a cosmic threat to Earth.

With different movie studios owning different Marvel superheroes, it'll never happen.

The next two-part Avengers film is the cosmic threat mega team up, just no FF or X-Men taking part, or their characters like Galactus (Unless the new FF film flops and the rights get sold back.)


It is possible, so long as the film doesn't reference the movies owned by the other studio(s). This is why Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were able to appear in Avengers: Age of Ultron. The film only mentions that they are super powered humans who were orphaned as children. It doesn't use the word "mutants," nor does it make any reference to Magneto being their father.

Both Fox and Marvel own the film rights to the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver characters. Marvel owns them as the superhero members of the Avengers, Fox owns them as the children of Magneto and members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. And that's how they've been used, more or less.


This is also why Marvel can't use the word "Adamantium" in their movieverse, and instead use the word "Vibranium."

Vibranium is a long standing Marvel Universe natural metal that predates the man-made Adamantium alloy. It's unlikely something a studio has a film rights to, but it is strongly associated with Wolverine.


＊I'm not entirely sure about how the rights for Hulk works. Hulk (2003) was made by Universal, and The Incredible Hulk was made by Universal but produced by Marvel. Marvel are able to use the Hulk in their Avengers films, and they are certainly able to even reference his origins (even directly linking it with Captain America's back story). But as I understand it, it's still Universal and not Marvel who still owns the rights to make stand alone Hulk films.

Marvel have the film rights to make a Hulk film. Universal just holds distribution rights.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Vibranium is mined in whatever country the black panther is from iirc and is strong, but not as strong as adamantium.
I was under the impression that the only adamantium in existence ended up in Wolverine's body because it was super rare and hard to work with. Although I could be mistaken.. It has been well over 10 years since I stopped reading Xmen. Are there any other adamantium characters?

[GoktimusPrime]

Thanks for clearing that up, Paulbot. :)

I thought that Capt. America's shield was originally made from adamantium in the comics, and that they switched it to the already-existant Vibranium for the movieverse. :confused:

[Smint]

Wolverine's enemies had Adamantium: Cyber, Omega Red.

Vibranium i believe is meant to be stronger than adamantium. Havent read the comics in ages. But the impression i get is vibranium has more unique properties in it and is not as common as adamantium.

/Geek mode on

[Paulbot]

Thanks for clearing that up, Paulbot. :)

I thought that Capt. America's shield was originally made from adamantium in the comics, and that they switched it to the already-existant Vibranium for the movieverse. :confused:


Wolverine's enemies had Adamantium: Cyber, Omega Red.

Vibranium i believe is meant to be stronger than adamantium. Havent read the comics in ages. But the impression i get is vibranium has more unique properties in it and is not as common as adamantium.

/Geek mode on

Vibranium is naturally occurring (in Wakanda - Black Panther) and thus more common. Admantium is very rare as the formula for creating it is lost and hard to replicate (this is part of Lady Deathstrike's origin). Omega Red had the third party Adamantium Carbonadium.

I believe eventually they decided that in the comics that the special metals that made Cap's shield was a mix of Vibranium & Adamantium which made it so special, indestructible and irreplaceable.

[BruiseLee]

Iirc, vibranium has absorption properties which is why it was used to inprison Klaw, the dude made of sound. Cap's shield uses both metals so it's extremely strong and absorbs impact.