Wahammer & 40K Tabletop

[1orion2many]

:)I see in the PC section quite a few people like DOW and the 40K universe in general, I was wondering if anyone else plays the tabletop versions on the board. I haven't played in over a year but a friend of mine said there is a local tournament coming up using the Appocalypse rules with 5000pt armies. Is there a large amount of new rules in the Appocalypse book, oh I also need to buy the new regular rule book as well:rolleyes:. I play Spacewolves but will most likely go with a 3000pt wolves army and 2000pt sisters army to compliment each other I hope. The only army in general I have had problems with is a Tau army who has absoloutely flogged me the 3-4 times I have played this guy:o. Any comments on the Appocalypse rules or help with defeating the pain in the backside Tau would be welcome(mostly skimmers so it's the equivalent of an Imperial gaurd armoured company except in Tau form).

[TheDirtyDigger]

I do want to get into the tabletop game for not only the painting skills it will teach me but also my younglings. I have an army of Space Marines already just waiting to be painted. Just have to start making regular trips into the local Games Workshop.

I don't know if this will help 1orion, but when I'm playing DoW and I'm up against Tau armour I upgrade my infantry with plenty of missile launchers.

[loophole]

i used to play both 40k and fantasy but havent in about 3 or 4 years so im way behind the rules but i have a 4000pt eldar biel' tan army and about a 2500pt high elf army.

[Lord_Zed]

I play lots of Wargames rather than lots of computer games, lots and lots and then some. Alas I'm at work now and don't have time to reply to this and list them all. Just wait till I get finished here. :)

[kup]

Thanks to Zed I experienced my first Table top Wargaming session! It was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it.

[1orion2many]

:)I play stunties(dwarfs) in Warhammer:D. Thanks for the tip DD, in my normal 2000pt army I restrict my long range weapons to a few lascannons on one of my tanks(Predator), Land Raider Crusader(nothing like close range annihilation with 6 twin linked bolters, twin linked assault cannons and heavy melta but restricted range), Vindicator with demolishor cannon, Venerable Dreadnought with assault cannon(love his special rules) and my 7 man Terminator squad with 3 assault cannons. Assault cannons are excellent fun with 4 shots rending on 6's which means they can punch through any armour if your dice rolls are good enough, main draw back is their 24" range. You really have to weather the storm to be able to get close enough to shoot. This isn't good when the Tau's main gun on their Hammerheads have a 72" range:rolleyes:. Missile launchers have 48" range which covers about half the tabletop which is a good coverage but unfortunately Spacewolves don't have devestator squads they only have the Longfang pack of 5 troops and then one of them is a pack leader without a heavy weapon, the missile launcher is a cheap weapon as far as heavies go so next time I play I'll load up the old boys and see how they perform. ;)

[1orion2many]

Thanks to Zed I experienced my first Table top Wargaming session! It was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it.

:)Yes it can be a lot of fun but it depends on the opponent. Nothing worse than the person your playing losing it big time because they are getting a pasting. I have had some games ruined because of this then you become hesitant about playing these people again.

[optimus1]

Nice to see a fellow gamer out on the boards!:D

I havnt played in ages, but then again was always more of a casual gamer, with my specialty being my Fantasy Chaos Warriors army, that iv had for 10 years, in one form or another

But nowadays im actually wanting to offload most of my stuff to focus on TFs. If anyone out there is looking for warhammer stuff, let me know!

[1orion2many]

Do you have any of the old chaos dwarves:confused:.

[optimus1]

No im sorry, the only thing on them i have is the old army book

iv got enough for an Empire army (all in blisters/boxes), a heap of novels, Space Marines and others i cant seem to remember at the moment

[TheDirtyDigger]

Just while we're in the Imperium I just gotta mention I have just finished the Caiphus Cain omnibus after reading about 2 pages a day for a couple of months.
Great light entertainment. :) About to start the first Gaunt's Ghosts omni.

[1orion2many]

Try Souldrinkers and the Spacewolves novels, I consider them both excellent reading. If you don't mind fantasy then read Gotrek and Felix. Almost forgot one of the best 40K trilogies EISENHORN;) I think that's correct.

[TheDirtyDigger]

That is correct. That was the first WH40K trilogy I read. Top read.
If I lived in the 41st Millennium, Inquisitor would be my career choice.

[loophole]

In my 40k eldar army i always have the AVATAR!!!!!!! bring on the destruction damn now i wanna play warhammer again :(

[Lord_Zed]

I'm a rather avid gammer having started around the time G2 came out. I play a massive selection of games. Warhammer 40k is probably the most everpresent game although not my favourte I've played it so long its not as cool as it once was. As somewhat of a veteran I find myself often at odds with what GW have done to the game, (like screwing up the Chaos Codex). Still the game has entered its 5th edition which got me playing again after a year haitus. I have Chaos Spacemarines,Spacemarines, and a small Guard army that is based on GI joe.

I live near a gaming club which helps so I play with a bunch of likeminded pals. Used to play in our local tournament but haven't for a few years.

Slowly thinking of getting back into Warhammer Fantasy having not played for around 3 years. These days though I'm a lot more into the painting side. i find painting very relaxing although painting 40 - 100 minatures can be a pain. So my favourte games are European skirmish games, sadly they have little prescense here and are only played in small enclaves. Nonethe less many of them rock and have minatures that sometimes make GW's stuff look amature.

My favourte game atm is called Infinity which is a Manga styles skirmish game with, infantry, sleek powerarmoured warriors, ninjas and robots all manag styled. Though I'm also fond of Helldorado the game where the man has inaved Hell (not for children), and I'm looking into Pulpcity a game of Superheros fighting Super Villains.

http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2005/sep/546371a.jpg

http://www.asmodee.com/produits/1007/colere1.jpg
Ohh sweet the new releases are up!

Anyways just for the record here's the list of games I have played over the years, I really like diversity whcih is whay it bugs me that Games Wrokshop seem to be stuck on an eternal loop.. Behold!

Warhammer 40k
Warhammer Fantasy Battle
Epic Space Marine
Epic Warhammer 40k
Blood Bowl
Necromunda
Gorka Morka
Mordhiem
Man O War
Battletech
Warzone
Confontation
Urban War
Infinity
Helldorado

[Bartrim]

I've still got my Dark Elves army undercoated and boxed up at my parents house. Haven't played since high school so I'm very rusty.

Used to dabble in the odd game of Blood Bowl too.

[Lord_Zed]

I've still got my Dark Elves army undercoated and boxed up at my parents house. Haven't played since high school so I'm very rusty.

Used to dabble in the odd game of Blood Bowl too.

Dark Elves just got a new rulebook, I hear there quite tough now.

[1orion2many]

If you like painting figures try War Machine and some of their other games. www.privateerpress.com

[Lord_Zed]

If you like painting figures try War Machine and some of their other games. www.privateerpress.com

I've tried Warmachine but the game is a bit to abstract for me, you still need quite a few minatures to play, and the figures are hit and miss. They do have some really nice sculpts though but overall I still prefer the work of Corvus Belli, Rackham and Asmodee. I have more than enough good skirmish games for now anyway.

http://www.corvusbelli.com/
http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique_us/liste_rayons.cfm?code_lg=lg_us
http://www.helldorado.fr/

[Saintly]

i do not want to be tempted by another obsession :P

[Bartrim]

Dark Elves just got a new rulebook, I hear there quite tough now.

That would of been handy about 15 yrs ago. Apart from my Corsairs, my army would get ripped all the time. I even lost a battle with a Scaven army:o

[Lord_Zed]

That would of been handy about 15 yrs ago. Apart from my Corsairs, my army would get ripped all the time. I even lost a battle with a Scaven army:o

That sucks 15 years ago when magic and heroes were the be and all of Warhammer, but now troops and manouvering are and the Skaven are quite a tough prospect. mind you I got beaten by Skaven in the old days to, because they were played by someone who really knew what he was doing, plus he had there big Demon thing. Speaking of which I wonder when that will be back? Everything in Warhammer is cyclic it seems, except Squats there dead....

[1orion2many]

:eek:Squats aren't dead they are just hiding in the dwarf caves:D. I believe the the Horned One is the deity which would have given you a flogging in the Skaven army:). I have a Dwarf army which I need to finish, it's a hold the lines and brace for impact army as their movement rate is terrible. I suppose this is why they have access to so many war machines and the unbreakable Troll slayers:D.

[autobreadticon]

I have a drawf gyrocopter from back in the days, my little brother was into fantasy warhammer , should take a picture of it sometime, its pretty cool ..

[Lord_Zed]

:eek:Squats aren't dead they are just hiding in the dwarf caves:D. I believe the the Horned One is the deity which would have given you a flogging in the Skaven army:). I have a Dwarf army which I need to finish, it's a hold the lines and brace for impact army as their movement rate is terrible. I suppose this is why they have access to so many war machines and the unbreakable Troll slayers:D.

Yeah Dwarves are hard as nails but a bit slow, when I borrowed my friends Dwarf army many years ago I found them to slow and predicatable to interest me, but that was several editions ago, I heard there better now. Mind you i'm thinking of getting some undead now who are also a little slow and predictable, but I do like the idea of victory by attrition. Also with so many cool skirmish games vying for my time i've become more of a realist when it comes to finshing armies. So If I want to get a new one it's gotta be one i can paint quickly to a personaly acceptable standard.

As for the Squats I know many people who say there in hiding, but take a Squat to a GW store and the staffers will look at you with blank expressions. :(

[1orion2many]

I have a drawf gyrocopter from back in the days, my little brother was into fantasy warhammer , should take a picture of it sometime, its pretty cool ..

:)I have the old gyro copter as well, I think the newer one looks nicer but I can't bare to part with my old one:o. You can always use Dwarf Miners Lord_Zed as they can come on any table side if you roll to bring them on and if you equip them with a steam drill you increase their chances of both coming on and doing damage as it can be used as a heavy handheld weapon. The rune combos on weapons and armour can really beef the main characters or even a unit. I've read up on the undead and they sound almost unstoppable, some of their units and main characters are just plain scary (no pun intended). Have you looked at the Ogres as they are a hard as nails army:eek:. Poor squats need some game love. I agree on the painting side of an army, one with lots of armour helps as you can always dry brush and ink for finer detail, I don't have one completely painted army yet. Attention span is to short:D.

[Lord_Zed]

Ogres are cool, but among my gaming circle someone already has them. Also not a huge fan of the models after painting ogres like the one below.

http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique_us/images_produits/CD16copie.jpg

If I do get a new fantasy army, it's gotta be one I haven't done before to, so Chaos Warriors, Chaos Daemons, Orcs and Goblins, and Empire are all out of the running.

The Vampires do seem pretty nasty as have all the new revamped books since High Elves. However the skellies are easy to paint, painted 10 in half a day so there currently winning on that front, If I can get round to taking pictures perhaps I'll post them.

Not a Dwarf fan personaly, unless they are evil and mutated like this:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e365/firedragonpewter/Firedragon%20Games/midnor5.jpg
Thats how I like my dwarves twisted and evil.

[jacksplatt11]

i've never played any warhammer or anything, but ive always liked the designs.. mainly the space marines, tau and tyranids.. i have read one of the novels though, about space wolves, was good

[Pete]

ive only recently gotten into 40k, my mate showed me a game and i was hooked:P, 2 months later i ve got 2000pt Tau and 2000pt Dark Angels..

[1orion2many]

:eek:My spacewolves spit at your Dark Angels:p:D, there's plenty of bad blood between those 2 marine chapters even if they are on the same side.

[loophole]

Blood Marines are the only way to go(only if you like marines that is)

[Pete]

:eek:My spacewolves spit at your Dark Angels:p:D, there's plenty of bad blood between those 2 marine chapters even if they are on the same side.

yeah, stupid Russ:p

[Lord_Zed]

the sons of Vulkan the Salamanders are best, not one of these almost chaotic beserker chapters. As for the Darkangels they nicked thier Colour scheme of the Salamanders years ago because they were green with envy (mentaly if not physicaly). This is true by the way Dark Angels used to be black, and thier Primach was the Emperor himself before the revisonists rewrote the background.

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/taran/images/smpg.jpg

[1orion2many]

yeah, stupid Russ:p

:)Russ isn't stoopid:D, he was just a drunkard:D. Spacewolves are the equivalent of Space vikings, drinking fighting and more drinking;). They are excellent all rounders with both ranged and close combat weapons, I much prefer to get in close combat with them as I put as many power weapons in the squads as possible(you can have 3 power weapons in a squad of 10 if one of them is a squad leader:)), this makes them excellent for killing off Necrons as they don't get their we'll be back roll against power weapons. One last thing, I think Russ is the only Primarch believed to be left alive floating around the galaxy(superior doggy genes):cool:

[Pete]

we have the Deathwing:p, Terminator troops...(in 5th only troops may capture objectives):D

Same with the Ravenwing, Bike Troops;)

my cousin runs necrons they can come back from power weapon attacks, just not from instant-kill weapons (strength double toughness)...unless they have a ressurection orb:(

[Lord_Zed]

:)Russ isn't stoopid:D, he was just a drunkard:D. Spacewolves are the equivalent of Space vikings, drinking fighting and more drinking;). They are excellent all rounders with both ranged and close combat weapons, I much prefer to get in close combat with them as I put as many power weapons in the squads as possible(you can have 3 power weapons in a squad of 10 if one of them is a squad leader:)), this makes them excellent for killing off Necrons as they don't get their we'll be back roll against power weapons. One last thing, I think Russ is the only Primarch believed to be left alive floating around the galaxy(superior doggy genes):cool:

I have no problem with Space Wolves, I used to have them in the old days. The new marine codex gives all Marine chapters accsess to squads with ludicrous ammounts of power weapons, as well as bike troops so the various flavours of SpaceMarine are brought to an even footing.

As for the Primachs they are all generaly sleeping or lost, or Demon princes in the case of the chaos ones, Russ is no real excpetion. All the mythology sugests they will be back at the end of the universe. Of the top of my Head the Primarch are.....

leman Russ: Lost in the warp
Lion El Jhonson: Sleeping in the rock
Sangunius: Dead
Corvus: No idea
Rogal Dorn: Presumed dead
Robute Gulliman: Preserved in stasis with a fatal wound
Vulkan: Dissapeared to return for Armageddon
Alpharius: No idea
Peturbo: Demon Prince
Magnus: Demon Prince
Mortarion: Demon Prince
Fulgrim: Demon Prince
Angron: Demon Prince
Night Haunter: Dead
Ferrus Manus: No idea
Jaghatti Khan: Can't recall

If you really want to make Necrons cry, sic a Demon Prince on them they don't like that one bit, oh wait loyalists don't have those. :D

[1orion2many]

:confused:You've got me curious now Pete, i'll have to check up on the power weapons as I thought it did negate the we'll be back rule:confused:. Yes the individual chapters are less specialised compared to what they used to be:(, We still have the Venerable Dreadnought and not the watered down version the rest of the marines get:). I've got a 13th company which I need to put together, has anyone played the eye of terror expansion either as the 13th company or against them and how did they fair? A Demon Prince:p, bring on the Grey Knights Grand Master I say:).

[Pete]

now power weapons merely ignore armour saves, much like monstrous creature attacks, powerfists still double strength which makes deathwing fun for pummelling necrons:p, too bad Termies cant perform sweeping advances:(

[Lord_Zed]

:confused:You've got me curious now Pete, i'll have to check up on the power weapons as I thought it did negate the we'll be back rule:confused:. Yes the individual chapters are less specialised compared to what they used to be:(, We still have the Venerable Dreadnought and not the watered down version the rest of the marines get:). I've got a 13th company which I need to put together, has anyone played the eye of terror expansion either as the 13th company or against them and how did they fair? A Demon Prince:p, bring on the Grey Knights Grand Master I say:).

The Venerable Dreadnought for the regular chapters has returned to the good old days of WS/BS 5, so its no longer a SpaceWolf only thing.

I've fought the 13th company, there tough hand to hand fighters but slow for marines as there all foot troops with maybe some bikes. So far my Chaos army has manged to best them. Ordinary Space Wolves are more effective. A new SpaceWolf Codex will be out next year probably so beware the 13th company may go the way of the dodo.

Having used my Marines tonight for the first time in years and in the new edition, I have to say Marines are no longer as easy to use as they were. With cover saves much better and more common, enemy light infantry can shrug of a lot firepower. And with numbers on the enemies side marines can often find themselves out shot or out combated. It seems Marines must be more tactical now and choose there fights, they can't just wade in anymore.

There is a good chance the Necrons "We'll be back" will be changed into "Feel no Pain" in which case power weapons will kill them outright. Nost sure what the current rules are I rarely encounter Necrons.

Lastly MY Daemon Prince eats Grand masters for breakfast. If you wanna scare a daemon Prince, or other elite HTH monster then Assault Terminators are the way to go.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd31/zedkaiser/Minatures%20and%20toys/Phylot.jpg
Hmm probably should sclae the pic down some day

[1orion2many]

:)Nice pic Zed, well the Spacewolves venerable still has the ability of the reroll for first turn:D and can be used as a HQ choice instead of an elite. This is handy as the Wolves have to take a HQ for every 750 points so you can use points elsewhere. I still would have thought the Greyknights would be a worrying proposition for your Daemon Prince:confused:. I personally prefer to line the big buggers like DP's up against my Termies and shoot like hell with 3 assault cannons, that way hopefully by the time it reaches me in two turns he has some reduction on its wounds and with a little bit of luck finish it off with Power fists. I always team up my Wolfpriest with my Terminators just to annoy people with normal ballistic weapons, because the priest carries potions and Balms if you fail a normal save you can ignore it once per turn as long as it isn't an instant kill weapon that is double your toughness. While I remember are these pics of figures you have painted as they look well done.

[Lord_Zed]

To be fair you said Grandmaster, the Grandmaster is good but odds are good the Daemon Prince can still kill the Grandsmaster faster than the Grandmaster can kill the Daemon prince. A squad of Termies are a different kettle of fish entirely, though with the advantage of flight the DP still has a good odds of getting the drop on the Terminators. A squad of Terminators is more costly than the DP so If it can take out one squad and be banished in the process its done its job. I find Grey Knights to exspensive myself, Assualt Terminators with Thunder Hammers are the ticket better invunerable save to ward of monstorus creature attacks and if one Thunder hammer gets a hit then the entire squad is going to have a chance to fight next turn.

Enjoy multiple assault cannons while they last, as they will likely go back to one per 5 men in the next codex, but on the up side theyll probaly ditch the annoying Space Wolves HQ rule.

And yes that's one of my Daemon Princes, probably painted him some years back now, he's alright. Here's something more recent.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd31/zedkaiser/Minatures%20and%20toys/100_0576.jpg

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd31/zedkaiser/Minatures%20and%20toys/100_0400.jpg

[loophole]

I wish i had your painting skills Lord_Zed, those models look very nice :D

[1orion2many]

:)Very nice Zed, I'll put a pic up of the only figure I have tried to put an effort onto painting. If they bugger up the codex of Spacewolves then I'll more than likely retire them. I know someone who used to play Dark Angels but he believes they have ruined that codex and has stopped playing them. I think but can't remeber for sure that normal marines can have one heavy weapon per 4 Terminators I think rounded down, this means to get 3 heavy weapons into a Termie squad a normal marine player needs at least 11 terminators. At the moment Space wolves can get 3 heavies with 7 people, 1 heavy per 3 marines rounded up, this means if you have a seventh Terminator you can have a third heavy. Are you telling me they are going to butcher this specialty in the new wolves codex:eek:. What is the point of having different chapters if they are all virtually the same besides their colour scheme:rolleyes:. The guy I mentioned above with Dark Angels does not do DeathWing or Ravenwing which I think might be the way for him to go.

[Lord_Zed]

Well in all honsety none of the variant Marine chapter out there deserve thier own codex based on rules differences alone. it's more to do with the fact that Marines are GW's best sellers that means that we have 5 different flavours rather than one cover all.

I don't know much about the Dark Angels new codex, but what was done to the standard choices is an across the board thing also prevailant in Blood Angels, and Codex Marines. Things like only getting weapon options for 10 man squads, combat squads, and cheap rihnos. I doubt the codex is ruined but they probably simplified stuff and invalidated a few things (lord knows they did with chaos). In the current Marine codex (IE: current for 5 more days) Marines can have 2 big guns per termie squad, size Is irrelevant. When the new one comes out it will be one for each 5 men. I imagine Space wolves will keep some of thier options, but I doub they will have as many big guns, maybe though *shrugs*.

These sort of things are pretty common in the GW universe, I dunno I keep my armies beacuse 40k is everpresent and its good fun for a bash now and then, though it's the smaller skrimish games that exsist in GW's shadow that I prefer.

[1orion2many]

I know nothing on the newer rules as i haven't played for a while:o. Went to the place I normally game at to say hello to a few friends and watch a game under the new rules, not sure if I like them or not but I'll play a couple of games to decide. I normally like 2000 point games as it allows me to get a nice variety of troop and tank choices onto the board. The only other tabletop game I have thought about playing has been Warmachine which I have mentioned before but it just doesn't have any real following over here that I have come across, not that I've looked to hard:o.

[Lord_Zed]

2000 points is a big game, lots of troops on the board.

Overall the new rules for 40k are an improvement over the previous version, some things are better some are worse. They seem to want to tilt is so +3 armour save armies aren't the be all of the game.

The hard part with the smaller games is finding a group of gamers who play the game/ or creating your own one. I have to say these days I get more fun from the smaller games as I get to paint a greater variety of troops. it's a double edged sword though as small games can just up and dissapear, or become big games driven by corporate shareholders at the cost of the game. Much like 40k. Years back games desginer Andy Chambers wanted to completey re-write 40K, but there's no way it will ever happen now there to entrenched in the current system, an overhaul would cost way to much.

If your investigating if there are any Warmachine players in your area, try Wargammerau.com. There are a lot of annoying ruleslawyers on that forum, but it is usefull for finding other players.

[Me Grimlock!]

leman Russ: Lost in the warp
Lion El Jhonson: Sleeping in the rock
Sangunius: Dead
Corvus: No idea
Rogal Dorn: Presumed dead
Robute Gulliman: Preserved in stasis with a fatal wound
Vulkan: Dissapeared to return for Armageddon
Alpharius: No idea
Peturbo: Demon Prince
Magnus: Demon Prince
Mortarion: Demon Prince
Fulgrim: Demon Prince
Angron: Demon Prince
Night Haunter: Dead
Ferrus Manus: No idea
Jaghatti Khan: Can't recall


Hope you don't mind being updated, but I think the list is:

Lion El Johnson - Sleeping in the rock
Sanginus - Dead, killed by Horus
Ferrus Manus - Dead, killed by Fulgrim
Leman Russ - MIA - back for the Wolf Time
Vulkan - MIA - hoped to return if 9 relics are found
Rogal Dorn - Dead after a suicidal boarding action.
Jaghatti Khan - Fate not yet revealed, but clearly not with his boys. MIA?
Roubute Guiliman - Dead in stasis, killed by Fulgrim
Corax - Left to wander the Eye of Terror (broken hearted after what he had to do to save his legion)

Two Primarchs of course never revealed.

Pertarbo - Daemon Prince - Unaligned
Horus - so very, very dead.
Conrad Curze - Dead, by an Imperial assassin
Alpharius - Turned out to be a pair of twins. One is dead, other is ?
Angron - Daemon Prince - Khorne
Mortarion - Daemon Prince - Nurgle
Magnus the Red - Daemon Prince - Tzeentch
Fulgrim - Body-Daemon Prince of Slannesh Mind-Trapped and tormented by daemon
Lorgar - Daemon Prince Chaos Undivided

[1orion2many]

Thanks for the heads up Zed, maybe Russ is just hanging with the Thirteenth company:D. I never really considered 2000 points to be a large game as I don't have to many troops to move around. I'm just tooooooo lazy when it comes to painting so i have as many tanks as possible 3 max I think in 2000 points plus my Dreadnought/HQ, 2 x 10 man squads, 1 scout squad with wolf gaurd leader(all my squads have these to improve power weapons count), 7 man Terminator squad with a Wolf priest and a Rune Priest thrown in with either of the previously mentioned 10 man squads(love stormcaller). The 3 tanks I take are normally The Landraider Crusader, Vindicator(please shoot me tank) and a Predator decked out with lascannons for tank killing;). I have played 1500 and 750 point games and have enjoyed them all, the only time I don't enjoy a game is when the person your playing starts cracking the s***s because they are getting beaten, these people i only ever play once or twice then just give them a wide berth.

[Lord_Zed]

Sounds like a decent force though maybe a touch low on troops, numbers are your friends these days, all part of GW's scheme to make you buy more minis I guess. Here in Sydney we just had MOAB one of the bigger gaming conventions in the state, not to mention the one run by my gaming club. It was pretty big this year to both Fantasy and 40k went well. That said I played Infinity but I did have a gander up at the 40k tables once or twice.

And as per usual the retailers have everything on special, so I picked up the new Space Marine codex, A tactical Squad, Assault Terminator Squad and some cheap second hand bikes, and a dreadnought for my marines, not to mention some minatures for a new Super Hero skirmish game and a number of other bargains.

I used to play the 3 day 40k tournament but not anymore, 3 days of 40k is to much for me. And yeah I know what you mean about some bad players, there is one guy who plays at every tournament who is perpetualy cranky, even the most milde mannered are frustrated by him.

[1orion2many]

I've only played in about 3 or 4 tournaments of varying sizes. the very first one was 500 points. I made it into the final but got absolutely flogged by an imperial gaurd player, they get a lot more troops for the points and when your trying to get across a board with no cover it gets really painful. I did win a free Rhino out of it. The other 3 were 2000 point all day affairs, 2 were what I call average affairs with a couple of wins and a couple of losses but the third got me best general for the day with 3 wins and one draw against a Tyranid player, I didn't capture the objective so this caused the draw, Man of the match was my Venerable Dreadnought who took out both a Hive Tyrant and a carnifex without suffering any damage:D.