G2 Menasor and Defensor for sale on Facebook.

[Trent]

Looks like the seller from the infamous G2 Menasor eBay sale in 2014 is back and trying to offload another Menasor and a Defensor as well.

He's asking $16K for Menasor and $21K for Defensor. Given his previous actions I think that any interested party is going to approach this extremely skeptically. He may struggle to sell for those prices.

Links to Facebook pages:

https://www.facebook.com/z75sales/posts/646429438853173
https://www.facebook.com/z75sales/posts/646429882186462

TFW thread:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/1079074-unreleased-g2-defensor-g2-menasor-private-sale.html

[Batfan007]

Sceptical because of the price or that they could be fakes?

[CHILENO20]

Sceptical because of the price or that they could be fakes?

No, he/she pulled a shifty last time. Supposedly he/she had only one G2 Stunticon set. Then a lil while later after he/she sold it, miraculously, he/she had another G2 Stunticon for sale. Bad form on their part.

If I remember it wrong anyone, please update :)

[spiderken17]

Looks like the seller from the infamous G2 Menasor eBay sale in 2014 is back and trying to offload another Menasor and a Defensor as well.

He's asking $16K for Menasor and $21K for Defensor. Given his previous actions I think that any interested party is going to approach this extremely skeptically. He may struggle to sell for those prices.

Links to Facebook pages:

https://www.facebook.com/z75sales/posts/646429438853173
https://www.facebook.com/z75sales/posts/646429882186462

TFW thread:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/1079074-unreleased-g2-defensor-g2-menasor-private-sale.html

I notice you are doing your best to poke him with a stick make things interesting. :D

[Skullcruncher]

If I was the seller I'd never offer these up for sale - especially with what happened the first time. That buyers lights were on but there was no one was home at all.

[Skullcruncher]

No, he/she pulled a shifty last time. Supposedly he/she had only one G2 Stunticon set. Then a lil while later after he/she sold it, miraculously, he/she had another G2 Stunticon for sale. Bad form on their part.

If I remember it wrong anyone, please update :)

Buyer knew at time of transaction (payment/handover) the seller had more sets, yet still went through with the sale. A couple of months later they realised they just paid $28K for a toy.

[Trent]

From what I remember, and I haven't gone back and read the thread again since it all happened, was that the buyer stated they were shown the other sets after they had paid. But it is just buyer vs seller so we'll probably never really know. But you are right. Some massive buyer's remorse kicked in afterwards.

And while it was never actually stated, the seller let it be assumed, and then never corrected that assumption, that this was the only set he had and the only complete set (minus the head) he was aware of. He also said he was acting as an agent selling them on behalf of someone else when they were his items.

It was a highly dubious way to conduct an auction.

[BruiseLee]

I notice you are doing your best to poke him with a stick make things interesting. :D

I'm cooking up some popcorn :p

[Ploughmans Lunch]

no tears shed over $28k toy purchasee tbh

[Skullcruncher]

I don't have any issue with the seller not stating at time of auction they have another set or two. From a sellers perspective they want to maximize the sale price. From a buyers perspective an obvious question would be - do you have any more?

Neither the acting as an agent bit, I can see how this could be suspect and it was unnecessary but he had the items and he wanted to sell. They provided plenty of photos, even photos of the sticker sheet in the bag as I recall. I doubt it would have affected the buyers at the time of bidding. A seller who just says 'the photos make up the description' is more annoying.

The buyer failed ebay 101 - they got caught up in the hype and didn't do the required level of research for the amount they were willing to spend (hey I research $10 items if I don't know anything about them).

If I had that amount to spend on toys - I wouldn't be buying some limited run G2's no matter how rare!

[Batfan007]

A seller is under no obligation to let a buyer know what other items they may or may not have for sale.
But then also nobody likes to be deliberately received.
Ultimately something is only worth what someone is willing to pay.
If I sold you a toothbrush for $1 or $100 and you pay the higher price then I think the buyer has only themselves to blame and deserves no sympathy.

[Deonasis]

These are things I have heard about that seller..

- Most items on their eBay were auctions with stupidly high reserves which were never met. So the item goes unsold and then relisted with a BIN price someway above the highest bid.

- Pete from Botcon won an auction cheap but the seller refused to let it go.

- With the (stupidly high) $28,000 auction the seller was using every word to make it sound like this was "most likely the only chance" to ever own one despite himself having several to sell.

- He said he was a broker of the toys for an elderly couple but nope.. they were his bought at a garage or estate sale.

- I believe once the transaction broke down, some amount of refund was given to the fooled buyer on the condition of signing a Non-disclosure agreement about the whole thing. Why would you make that a condition? :rolleyes:


If even half of the above is true I think this seller is of the worst kind, they would cut the teats off a cow just to squeeze one more drop of milk.

And I would rather z75sales, starwarsprotos, ToyHunter, etc.. be buried with these toys then ring every last cent for them.

[Skullcruncher]

These are things I have heard about that seller..

- Most items on their eBay were auctions with stupidly high reserves which were never met. So the item goes unsold and then relisted with a BIN price someway above the highest bid.

- Pete from Botcon won an auction cheap but the seller refused to let it go.

- With the (stupidly high) $28,000 auction the seller was using every word to make it sound like this was "most likely the only chance" to ever own one despite himself having several to sell.

- He said he was a broker of the toys for an elderly couple but nope.. they were his bought at a garage or estate sale.

- I believe once the transaction broke down, some amount of refund was given to the fooled buyer on the condition of signing a Non-disclosure agreement about the whole thing. Why would you make that a condition? :rolleyes:


If even half of the above is true I think this seller is of the worst kind, they would cut the teats off a cow just to squeeze one more drop of milk.

And I would rather z75sales, starwarsprotos, ToyHunter, etc.. be buried with these toys then ring every last cent for them.

All I can is that I hope you never browse ebay!

[CHILENO20]

All I can is that I hope you never browse ebay!

It's like staring into the abyss!

[TAAUBlaster]

As a G2 collector, I find these figures to be awesome! If I had that kind of money to spend on toys, I would love to get my hands on them :D

Have there ever been any packaging samples of Motormaster or Hot Spot shown? I know the limbs all have carded specimens out there. But I can't remember seeing any clamshell samples.

[janda the red]

i've had a few dealings with this seller, he's been really straight up and good to deal with.... I cant say a bad thing about him.

I've bought a complete set of G2 cyberjet production samples and a G2 Snarl production sample from him.
( love them!!! little bits of TF history :D )

Budget permitting.... i'll probably buy a few more things off him too.

:)

[Deonasis]

All I can is that I hope you never browse ebay!Very true. But you can set a lazy high-ish price or you can actively work your customers over for another dollar. Someone will usually buy via either selling method, its just that one method reveals the seller to be comfortable with the idea of being a jerk.

I am ok with others buying from him but this guy would most likely give someone like me buyers remorse if i hadnt heard his name before.

Funny if one day i did buy something from him tho. :o

[Trent]

See below. Pretty much a straight up lie from the seller about only having one of these. Pete hit the nail on the head and the seller freaked, lied, then headed off any more questions of that nature by saying he'd refuse to answer them. Which is his right to do ofcourse, but he shouldn't have lied first, just refused to answer Pete's question.

Given we have a record of him saying that, who know what he said privately to any bidders,but it doesn't paint him in a trustworthy light.

Here (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-ebay/991687-complete-g2-menasor-ebay-28.html#post11574045) is the post the following came from.


Originally Posted by Pete@BotCon
Here's what I would like to know (and Karl can attest to this). Is this the only set? In my nearly 20 years of dealing with G2 protos I have found it is rare for sellers of these items to ONLY have one set. Most often than not they have 2-3 sets, sometimes more.




Originally Posted by starwarsprotos
Thank you for asking this question somebody had made a similar statement (I've been spending the past 20 minutes scouring the past 20 pages looking for it so that I could quote from it.)

They said something about how when something like this surfaced there was very often a whole bunch of these found at once. This is not the case with the Menasor, everyone can forget about there being several of these. Look very closely at the auction, on the paperwork at one time there was two of these shipped to the United States from Hasbro's Hong Kong plant. The paperwork states quantity of "2", the declared value of $2 (anyone who ships overseas knows that any item must have a customs value of at least a dollar.) It is been my experience (I think everybody else will agree that the bigwigs at Hasbro/Kenner know exactly how rare certain items are and sharing/trading amongst insiders (executives, engineers and designers) is very commonplace. So based on the paperwork found there were two originally shipped from Hong Kong to Hasbro, who knows if the other will ever surface; if it still exists. Two of something this rare will not effect its value, several would. I think if any collector/Hasbro employee owns the other one and sees this auction at $10k they would certainly do well to post it very fast.

I am going to make it my future policy to NOT note the quantities of any of my future listings of prototypes and unreleased items, so don't ask. Suffice to say that I have a variety of items, but nothing in any great quantity to hurt anythings value on the secondary market.

[Skullcruncher]

If Janda syas hes good that is more than a good enough endorsement for me. Plus that pete@botcon guy doesnt seem to have the best standing himself :D

[UltraMarginal]

I followed this very closely at the time and Everything I recall is matching up with Trents comments.

the seller makes a living from selling items like this so it's likely he is often very good to deal with and provides a good service.

I know from the thread at the time, which has had a lot of entries removed and edited since, the seller appeared to be very up front but on several occasions while not necessarily explicitly saying it was the only set, definitely alluded to the fact. I was convinced it was the only set.

It was also apparent at the time that when the seller arrived at the buyers house to deliver the set, after he'd handed the toys over (completing the transaction) he then proceeded to show the seller a picture book of his other items for sale which is when the seller noticed there was at least one other, and I'm pretty sure it was 2 or 3 extra sets.

I have had personal dealings with the buyer and I can say he is an upstanding member of the fandom.

I have no doubt that the items were legit but I also have no doubt that they were misrepresented with respect to their rarity. The transformers fandom is a fickle place, you don't go advertising something like that through a place like TFW and expect not to be pulled up on any inconsistencies.

my 2c. :)

[bowspearer]

Tbh, the jury is still out for me on z75sales.

After umming and ahhing for close to 6 months and after the Autojetter prototype went, I pulled the trigger on his Autolauncher prototype.

The listing clearly showed the missiles and discs still attached to the sprue, which is impressive as anything and he claimed it was complete. However the missile launcher was never shown.

I contacted him about it, even doing a user contact details request after paying for it (launcher or no launcher, ultimately it's an amazing piece- especially with the sprued projectiles).

When I contacted him, I asked him about the launcher. I got a response saying he honestly didn't know, to which I commended him on his honesty and sent him a scan of the instructions and a pic of the launcher. I also stated that I'd still be happy with the proto regardless of whether it had the launcher.

Not only did I get no response, but the next message I received about the auction was that the figure had been shipped. I don't know whether the launcher is missing or if he got too freaked out about me backing out to check for it before sending it, but it's made me a little wary and wondering about dealing with him in the future.

It's ironic, because while I would have been disappointed had he looked and it was missing, I was still impressed enough with it sans launcher to still want it and my opinion of him for being straight with me went up considerably. Conversely, the avoiding responding to me has lowered that opinion, hopefully the launcher is there anjd he just lost track of the message rather than responding to me about it.

Update - had it arrive yesterday. While his communication skills might need a little work, as the launcher was definitely there, he looks like a straight shooting guy. Definitely recommended if protos are your poison.