RIP Carrie Fisher

[GoktimusPrime]

:( :( :(
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/dec/27/carrie-fisher-dies-star-wars-princess-leia

So... what do you guys think should be done with Leia in future Sequels (Eps VIII and/or IX).
A. unused footage; there would probably be deleted scenes with Carrie from The Force Awakens which they might be able to digitally insert into new scenes in Eps VIII and/or IX.
B. use a body double with a digitally altered face, as they did with (Rogue One Spoilers): Leia and Tarkin.
C. just hire another actress without digital altering (as they've done with Mon Mothma in Revenge of the Sith and Rogue One).
D. create an off-screen reason for her non-appearance mentioned verbally by another character or in writing (opening text crawl)
E. other ideas?

B and C seem like the best options to me. C would definitely be cheaper for the studio. Option B would see them spend millions of dollars digitally altering a body double's face just for a limited amount of screen time, whereas Option C would save the studio a looot of money. And CG altered faces will never look completely real to audiences, while a new actress will never actually look like Fisher.

P.S.: Option B should also require permission from Fisher's family, out of respect. Rogue One did obtain permission and blessing from Peter Cushing's estate in using his likeness in the film.

[Trent]

In my experience, CG modified faces, while they look decent at the time, ironically do not age well. Best to just get a new actor.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Oh snap - she died?! I heard about the heart attack but didn't know it proved fatal :(

I think they should just let the character die too

[Krayt]

What a waste of a question!!!!

Ep 8 has wrapped, everything is filmed already. And we don't know if she makes it to the end to have been needed in 9.

Poor girl though... What a way to go... drowned in moonlight, strangled by her own bra.

[G1Optimal]

RIP :(

[Omega Metro]

I personally have a problem with actors who have died that show up in new movies after they have passed away recently. It just seems creepy to me. Makes me sad.:( Anton Yelchen and Paul Walker are other examples.

[drifand]

Rip , kind of regretted not going to comic con to meet her.

[GoktimusPrime]

Carrie Fisher actually finished her work on Episode VIII before her passing, so it seems absolutely possible for her to still appear in the next film; just as Anton Yelchen appeared in Star Trek Beyond, and Drewe Henley managed to finish his work on Rogue One before passing away in February this year (although his physical appearance is based on archival video, he did voice himself over with new dialogue). And of course, Orson Welles finished his work on The Transformers The Movie a year before its release.
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/carrie-fisher-dead-death-star-wars-viii-8-1201948826/

I suppose it's up to the filmmakers to work in a reason as to why she won't appear in Episode IX.

[Sinnertwin]

It wouldn't be impossible, but they may still be able to use her character or likeness in episode 9. That's if Leia manages to survive the events of episode 8.

Massive undertaking if they do decide to use unused footage or CGI, and then trying to cut and paste phrases from existing material, pitch correction, so and so forth.

My money's on an elegant funeral scene with Kylo, Rey and Luke.

[DELTAprime]

I'm waiting till Rogue One is out on Blu-ray cause I hate the cinema but my understanding is they used some type of CGI technique to resurrect two characters/actors from the dead. If they did two characters for Rogue One I'm sure they can do General Leia in Episode VIII.

[GoktimusPrime]

They don't need to do it for Episode VIII as Carrie Fisher managed to finish all of her scenes before she passed away. Whether Leia will appear in Episode IX on the other hand is a whole different question.

Pros and Cons of using CG faces on body doubles vs whole new actors/actresses:

PRO
* The face will look far more accurate to the person's actual face than any other actor will. No matter how much make-up and styling they do to Ewan MacGregor, he will never look like Alec Guinness - he's not a Doppelgänger!

CONS
* Cost. CG animation is expensive, and the level of CG required to try and make a convincing looking human face is extremely costly. If Leia is going to make a brief cameo appearance or limited appearances in Episode IX, then the cost may be justifiable, but if she's expected to have a prominent appearance (as she is said to have in Ep VIII), then the expense may not be worth it.
* CG human faces are never fully convincing to audiences. And this isn't because the CG is necessarily bad (despite what people say), but because of psychology. The human brain is super-duper retentively and pedantically nitpicky when it comes to the human face. This is because paying super attention to the face is an important and constant skill in human interaction, not just for facial recognition, but also in gauging non-verbal social cues. A CG Death Star can fool our brains into thinking that it looks the same as the old physical model from A New Hope because we've never seen a Death Star in real life. Our brains and constantly scanning images of Death Stars for any changes or anomalies, whereas they do with faces. It's constantly automatic and subconscious, you can't stop yourself from doing it. But some fans will still whinge and whinge about how "terrible" and unconvincing the CGI is... *sigh* It's not even a CGI issue. If you look at older films where they used fake heads/faces that were physically constructed, they still don't look fully convincing - and I'd say they look far worse than CG constructed faces today (but were still good for its time).
e.g.
T100 in Terminator (http://www.cinema52.com/2013/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Terminator11.jpg)
dismembered Alex Murphy from Robocop (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e8/f4/fa/e8f4fafd38fc01af26ba4633e780853b.jpg)
dismembered Robocop from Robocop 2 (http://filmsack.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screenshot-2015-02-14-17.28.43.png)
If you look at this image (http://allhdwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Doctor-Who-10.jpg) from the ending of "The Day of the Doctor" which shows every Doctor standing together, only the middle 3 Doctors are real actors (and the eyes of the 12 Doctor which a fan has imposed in the background). The rest of the Doctors are wax statues from Madame Tussauds. They look really unconvincing to me - I initially thought that they were CGI. So yeah, the issue isn't so much to do with CG but more to do with just how nigh-impossible it is to deceive the human brain into looking at an artificial human face and believing that it's real.

Here are some images of the most human-like robots that have been made to date next to the real humans that they were modelled off.
https://cdn4.dogonews.com/images/4284a4ef-535a-4773-8914-a57fdd86d7df/hiroshi_ishiguro_ge_258984c-medium.jpg
http://media.techeblog.com/images/roboticclone.jpg
http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1385607/which-woman-which-machine.jpg
In a sense, artificial replicas of humans need to pass a sort of visual Turing Test, and we haven't been able to successfully build one convincing enough to do that under scrutiny. Brandon Lee's CG face in The Crow was convincing because the character was shrouded in darkness, and that was only used briefly (as Lee had managed to finish most of his work on the film before he passed away). Here (https://marciokenobi.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/phil-tippett.jpg) is the puppet used by ILM for Luke Skywalker on Speeder Bike. Up close it looks totally fake, but in the actual shot it was used in high speed distance shots, whereas closer shots where Luke and Leia's faces were more visible were done by shooting the actors on blue screen (http://i.imgur.com/HshH6.png).

[PROVOST]

http://s24.postimg.org/ayljbwged/princess_leia_organa_by_championx91_dat6ug2.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

:(:(:(:(

[GoktimusPrime]

This video of Carrie Fisher being interviewed (https://www.facebook.com/messynessychic/videos/1346677298707455/) in French in 1977! I never knew that Carrie was bilingual. :)

[GoktimusPrime]

It appears that Lucasfilm agree with the majority of voters here and look to be modifying the script (which is still in progress) for Episode IX to justify her non-appearance. No replacement actress, no CGI replica.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/01/13/star-wars-carrie-fisher/

[CBratron]

It appears that Lucasfilm agree with the majority of voters here and look to be modifying the script (which is still in progress) for Episode IX to justify her non-appearance. No replacement actress, no CGI replica.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/01/13/star-wars-carrie-fisher/

Kinda glad for that. I only just got around to watching Rogue One this past week and if Leia's appearance in the ending was any indication, the tech wasn't ready for digital Leia.