A third Masterpiece Gen1 Optimus coming?

[DELTAprime]

Rumours are going around for a MP Optimus Prime 3.0.

How many versions does Takara expect us to buy? I already have 20th Anniversary, MP2, MP4, MP10 and MP10b.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/possible-new-version-takara-tomy-transformers-masterpiece-optimus-prime-in-2019/40761/

[Raider]

Rumours are going around for a MP Optimus Prime 3.0.

How many versions does Takara expect us to buy? I already have 20th Anniversary, MP2, MP4, MP10 and MP10b.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/possible-new-version-takara-tomy-transformers-masterpiece-optimus-prime-in-2019/40761/

I don't want more... but I will buy more... it is a vicious cycle...

[griffin]

(created a separate news topic, as there is a suggestion (http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/22/rumor-masterpiece-optimus-prime-3-0-incoming-359883) that it could be a new cartoon styled Optimus to go with the PLUS series now in full swing - if true, maybe cartoon colouring on MP10 didn't look right - and we know that Optimus gets releases several times, making back its money with each version).

[Deonasis]

I am ok with this. MP-10 is far from cartoon accurate and the + style is where this line has been for some time.

I still want some toy colour MPs of Shockwave and UM.

[philby]

For me the '+' options are just different and not improvements. I would be pretty reluctant to get an mp-10 '+' but I guess we need to see it. Imo I don't see how it would be better, but that's just me as I don't think slavish devotion to the cartoon model is always a good thing.

If it was completely new...eh still dunno. Still love my MP-10 heaps! There are a couple of minor nitpicks but it is still good!

[Galvatran]

3.0 ... Meh ...


Rumours are going around for a MP Optimus Prime 3.0.

How many versions does Takara expect us to buy? I already have 20th Anniversary, MP2, MP4, MP10 and MP10b.
You take that back! MP2 is Ultra Magnus. :p

[ampoldj]

3.0 ... Meh ...


You take that back! MP2 is Ultra Magnus. :p

Yeah i clearly remember that since i've got that from a guy here called Megatra...oh i completely forgot his username :p

Anyway i'm not into this whole cartoon/anime accurate thing so i will just be saving monies for the new MP characters to come (someday...)

[DELTAprime]

3.0 ... Meh ...


You take that back! MP2 is Ultra Magnus. :p

As I'm sure Galvatran realised, I was referring to MP2 because it's a reuse of the MP1 mould.;)

[Jazzman]

Will reserve judgment until I actually see the improvements... I have both the Takara and Hasbro MP-10's... do I need a minor update? Nope... Red Alert was different... passed on Sideswipe, though. :rolleyes:

[Deonasis]

Will reserve judgment until I actually see the improvements... I have both the Takara and Hasbro MP-10's... do I need a minor update? Nope... Red Alert was different... passed on Sideswipe, though. :rolleyes:Pretty sure it is a major update. The link in the OP is an entirely new chest/shoulders even though i think the biggest changes will be in the legs. Little doubt some of the transformation would be similar though.

[DELTAprime]

Pretty sure it is a major update. The link in the OP is an entirely new chest/shoulders even though i think the biggest changes will be in the legs. Little doubt some of the transformation would be similar though.

I did thorise a while ago that they could make MP10 more cartoon accurate just by adding faux truck parts to the chest and sliding in the fenders to make them flush with the side of the leg. Oh and giving him a more cartoon accurate paint job.

[bowspearer]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a complete redesign. The fact is that MP-10 is getting close to being a 7 year old figure now and as people have noted, there is a clear engineering gap between MP-10 and MP-36. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the design team trying to bring Optimus Prime up to the same standard as Megatron.

[Jazzman]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a complete redesign. The fact is that MP-10 is getting close to being a 7 year old figure now and as people have noted, there is a clear engineering gap between MP-10 and MP-36. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the design team trying to bring Optimus Prime up to the same standard as Megatron.

Yeah, I hear ya - but MP-10 set the standard format, right?

[bowspearer]

Yeah, I hear ya - but MP-10 set the standard format, right?

The scale isn't what is likely to be changed if they do a 3.0 - I suspect they'd just change the complexity.

[Galvatran]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a complete redesign. The fact is that MP-10 is getting close to being a 7 year old figure now and as people have noted, there is a clear engineering gap between MP-10 and MP-36. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the design team trying to bring Optimus Prime up to the same standard as Megatron.
MP50 Optimus Prime 3.0
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MP60 Megatron 3.0
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MP80 Optimus Prime 4.0
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MP90 Megatron 4.0

Wash, lather, rinse & repeat. That's the sound of cha-ching.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Maybe part of me doesn't want to see yet another Optimus Prime mould, but is MP10 really so outdated/inaccurate? I mean you look at MP-10 and it's instantly recognisable as the greatest Autobot leader of all time. Even more striking when you compare him to pretty much every other iteration there has been. No other toy comes close to matching cartoon accuracy. The tapering torso, head sculpt, matrix chamber, gun storage, etc. I can see why they re-did Megatron and Hot-Rod, but I'm happy with MP10 and it would take something special to make me reconsider another Optimus

[bowspearer]

MP50 Optimus Prime 3.0
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MP60 Megatron 3.0
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MP80 Optimus Prime 4.0
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MP90 Megatron 4.0

Wash, lather, rinse & repeat. That's the sound of cha-ching.

I don't think it's going to be that radical a change tbh. MP-05 was always a crap figure - even ignoring the scale. The fact is that with only a week's timeframe in terms of its development as I understand it, it's a miracle the figure is as good as it is, MP-36 was always necessary, even without the scale, because the old MP figure had never been given its proper due.

Then there's Prime. The fact is that people forget that the Masterpiece line as we know it is actually two separate toylines. Everything from MP-01 upto MP-07 was actually part of the same meta-toyline as Binartech, and we did get a crapload of Autobot Cars for that toyline. When the decision was made to go cartoon accurate and downsize compared to the 1/24 scale figures, Optimus Prime getting a 2.0 was always a given.

However is MP-10 a better engineered figure than MP-01?

Owning both figures, I have to say that the answer is no. Also where MP-01 has more animation accurate proportions, MP-10 is alot more squat and stocky in comparison.

If I were Takara, I'd almost be tempted to downsize MP-04, modify the design slightly where parts need reinforcing, and then pass it off as MP Optimus 3.0. Once that happened, I'm not sure you could improve on the figure enough to even remotely justify a 4.0, just as I doubt we'll ever see a Megatron 3.0.


No other toy comes close to matching cartoon accuracy.

Except arguably Optimus 1.0. I have to say that as great as MP-10 has been in terms of scale, it really wasn't up to the same level of engineering as MP-01 imho.

[nsm034]

Rumours are going around for a MP Optimus Prime 3.0.

How many versions does Takara expect us to buy? I already have 20th Anniversary, MP2, MP4, MP10 and MP10b.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/possible-new-version-takara-tomy-transformers-masterpiece-optimus-prime-in-2019/40761/

I have those plus 1 and 1B ,eva and 711 on the way. :o

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

MP50 Optimus Prime 3.0
MP50+ Optimus Prime 3.0 (colour based on animation error)
MP50x Optimus Prime 3.0 (TTMall exclusive)
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MP60 Megatron 3.0
MP60+ Megatron 3.0
MP60x Megatron 3.0
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MP80 Optimus Prime 4.0
MP80+ Optimus Prime 4.0
MP80x Optimus Prime 4.0
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MP90 Megatron 4.0
MP90+ Megatron 4.0
MP90x Megatron 4.0

Wash, lather, rinse & repeat.

Fixed it for you... :p


That's the sound of cha-ching.

You forgot to mention the "thud" -- the sound of QC dropping.

[GoktimusPrime]

Translation:
シリーズ35周年に向け、新たなプロジェクトが胎動を始めた模様。続を報刮目して待て！！
"The approaching 35th anniversary series has started to quicken designs for a new project. Keep your eyes peeled for further news!!"


Maybe part of me doesn't want to see yet another Optimus Prime mould, but is MP10 really so outdated/inaccurate?
I don't think so. I personally don't think that MP01 is necessarily outclassed either. IMHO MP01 is the superior action figure whereas MP10 is the superior play set. :) Both toys have their pros and cons but I wouldn't rate either as being outright better than the other. And I've only paid for my MP01 - my MP10 was a freebie. :p

And even if it is say a distinctly superior toy, it would come at a price. Look at MP5 vs MP36. Yes, MP36 is loads gooder, but also at double the price of MP5 - so relative to price point I still consider both MP5 and MP36 to be just as good as each other. MP10 offered bonus stuff which MP01 didn't have, namely the trailer and Roller (although MP4 had a trailer but no Roller). MP36 offers the silencer and stock which MP5 lacked, as well as a greatly improved robot mode which was a point of contention with MP5 (although MP5 still has a better looking gun mode). MP10 already comes with everything that G1 Optimus Prime does. I cannot really imagine what they could make it come with to improve it.

My guess is that the mould will be even more slavishly G1 cartoon accurate than MP10, making the texture/moulding even less detailed than MP01 and MP10. Some people love this sort of stuff, but I personally couldn't care less. Don't imagine myself buying MP Convoy 3.0 (but donations are always welcome :p)

[Deonasis]

Maybe part of me doesn't want to see yet another Optimus Prime mould, but is MP10 really so outdated/inaccurate? I mean you look at MP-10 and it's instantly recognisable as the greatest Autobot leader of all time. Even more striking when you compare him to pretty much every other iteration there has been. No other toy comes close to matching cartoon accuracy. The tapering torso, head sculpt, matrix chamber, gun storage, etc. I can see why they re-did Megatron and Hot-Rod, but I'm happy with MP10 and it would take something special to make me reconsider another Optimus

Yeah i remember a similar thing when mp10 came out. Many people did not update their mp01’s for quite some time. If the ‘improvements’ are anything like 01 to 10 it will be worth jumping on, just to keep Optimus looking good beside the next 7 years of masterpieces. I cannot wait to see the difference and imagine it is substantial (in robot mode).

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Yeah...I just take it as a given that we'll get a new MP Optimus every couple of years. He is the flagship character after all.

I don't really mind tbh. I'm quite happy with MP10, but if a new Optimus every now and then sells well enough to help keep the line running and we keep on getting other MPs that I do want then I'm fine with that.

[Magnus]

If we really are looking at a new MP Optimus, I would imagine that the changes would have to be substantial to get potential buyers to double-dip on a new MP Optimus at this scale, since there has been high demand for MP-10 and its mould has seen several releases.

My position on MP-1 vs. MP-10 is that MP-1 is the better robot, with better proportions and nice extra features, but MP-10 is the better Transformer, with a cleaner truck mode.

Also... if MP Optimus 3.0 ends up with a different truck cab, does that mean that Ultra Magnus will need to be re-tooled and re-released to match?

[CoRDS]

NOW with a NEW HAT !

[Trent]

Who are these people, with apparently limitless money and space, that want new versions of figures that we have already got?

[GoktimusPrime]

Who are these people, with apparently limitless money and space, that want new versions of figures that we have already got?
There are collectors out there who have the bulk of their collection in storage and barely living within their means. Evidently not having enough space or money doesn't stop some people.

[Borgeman]

Who are these people, with apparently limitless money and space, that want new versions of figures that we have already got?

It's not too bad if you only own one - I think having a 2nd prime for truck mode displaying is justifiable.

[Ploughmans Lunch]

I hope it doesn’t have a trailer. I hope it is compatible with the mp10 trailer. I hope it takes after the aesthetic of MP Inferno. I hope you can change his face. I hope that he comes with a basketball and other silly, goofy G1 things. Am I a bad person for what I have just said?

Also I hope he comes with preposed hands similar to Laserwave!!

[Paulbot]

Those pics in the first post highlight his left arm and torso. So I'm expecting whatever form this new Convoy is he'll have swap out parts to give him the torso wounds from TFTM and the damaged left arm from Dark Awakening. (Along the lines of Mp Megatron having the beat up TFTM damage pieces. )

[drifand]

Any new Optimus I am for it as MP-10 for me was underwhelming. Both Takara and Hasbro fell short in colours and none nailed it. I never understand why Takara did not fix Optimus eyes. Perhaps the new version will be OKAY WE HEARD you, we give you the dead eyes and the highlighted ones. ALSO we taken out the stupid translucent yellow pieces on the waist, are you happy?
We also now give you the options to have the headlights painted or not painted.

Hell yes. Was it that difficult?

MP-10 did not wowed me one bit, it looks like an action figure. This was where I was actually deciding whether I wanted to continue collecting Masterpiece line as they went with the tight budget no paint route.

Holding Sunstreaker, it actually outshines a lot of previous masterpieces.

[DaptoDog]

I have to say I have been impressed with the + releases so far in terms of the robot mode. Particularly Sideswipe, everything just pops compared to the original. You can still keep the originals in alt mode where they still shine (provided one has the requisite space).

So I welcome this news, though I'm not desperate for an updated MP-10.

[Robzy]

Hope it's a brand new design. I would love a new Optimus that stands better alongside Megatron (and a new Starscream too!) as I much prefer the cartoon robot look.

[Kranix]

I'm a huge fan of MP-10. I have both Hasbro and Takara versions and like them both. I also am not into the strict toon look. I haven't liked any of the + releases so far. With this in mind I'm probably unlikely to purchase a v3 Prime.

However... I don't write it off. Takara can wow you, so I have an open mind as to whether I may pick this up. I may be blown away and have to buy it.

In general I feel I'm near the end of my Masterpiece journey. I'm really just hanging out for MP Jazz and Hound, perhaps a few others. While I loved MP Megatron, I can't seem to get into Sunstreaker and if they get more toon I don't think I can continue. I'm really hoping that the future MP Car bots are not too toon.

[UltraMarginal]

Who are these people, with apparently limitless money and space, that want new versions of figures that we have already got?

Not I, but that doesn't stop me buying new stuff I have nowhere to display.
I actually have to speed up my opening of toys so I can throw away the boxes to make space for the newer incoming ones.


There are collectors out there who have the bulk of their collection in storage and barely living within their means. Evidently not having enough space or money doesn't stop some people.

What's wrong with having a large part of your collection in storage? I only have limited display space and cycle toys around from time to time, just like every art collection/museum in the world.

One of these days we'll hopefully move from an apartment to a house and I'll have more room but I doubt I'll be able to display my entire collection still.



Do I need another MP Prime, not really. I love MP-01/04 and still have a version of each. I also have the Hasbro release of MP-10. At the time I thought the Takara price was insane unjustifiable. Like others here I'm not even sure MP-10 is the better toy. It has some better features but MP-01/04 is still outstanding to this day.

I kind of wish they had stayed using the MP-01/04 'scale' through to now and beyond. I have enjoyed pretty much every MP release, I don't know if the 'more animation accurate' direction the line has taken of late is the way to go. I do like the more griebly look of the earlier 'teen' Masterpiece toys.

Will I get another MP Optimus prime if they do it, probably. But I doubt I'll jump on the pre-order like I did for most other Masterpiece toys I have.

[griffin]

The interview with the Japanese Transformers design team that goes with that teaser image (in the JP hobby magazine Figure King), has been translated and posted here (http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/27/takara-tomy-transformers-design-team-translated-interview-figure-king-no-241-360111).

[Ploughmans Lunch]

New MP Convoy mold is released only as Pepsi Convoy as a FamilyMart exclusive and never used again.

[philby]

I have to say I have been impressed with the + releases so far in terms of the robot mode. Particularly Sideswipe, everything just pops compared to the original.

It's nearly exactly the same 😳

[DaptoDog]

It's nearly exactly the same 😳

Well it is all subjective. The red paint on the + makes the original look really dull by comparison in my opinion. This combined with the improved head and swapping in white in certain areas like the feet made it worthwhile for me. Really didn't like the grey tyres though.

[griffin]

The interview with the Japanese Transformers design team that goes with that teaser image (in the JP hobby magazine Figure King), has been translated and posted here (http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/27/takara-tomy-transformers-design-team-translated-interview-figure-king-no-241-360111).

Scans have now been posted up as well (http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/27/figure-king-magazine-241-takara-tomy-transformers-special-special-scans-360127).

[Kranix]

Well it is all subjective. The red paint on the + makes the original look really dull by comparison in my opinion. This combined with the improved head and swapping in white in certain areas like the feet made it worthwhile for me. Really didn't like the grey tyres though.

I have the 2nd run of MP-12 so it has the same face as the + version and mine has really good paint but if you only had the first run I reckon the + version would be very tempting. Personally, I thought of picking it up because I love the MP-12 mold (I also have the 3rd release sitting in its box still plus G2 Sideswipe) but I couldn't get past the grey tyres and black back panel. I also think smoked windows work better on this guy.

Having said this, if by some random chance the + version becomes really cheap, I may pick it up.

[philby]

Yeah sure it can be subjective, I guess for me it just seems like these '+' versions have taken away detail or made it harder to see. Getting rid of the Lamborghini logo and text as an example is something I just cannot see as an improvement. Different, but not better.

I don't want these figures to become overly plain! That recent 3rd party Starscream is more cartoon accurate but the blue stripes on his legs look weird! So now people are making sculpted air vent things to go on there. A new Grimlock or other Dinobots with big blocks of solid yellow everywhere instead of detailed gold and clear plastic would be more cartoon accurate but also super boring! To me, at least hehe.

[drifand]

IMO they are all plain whichever version. The main issue is there was no foundation on how MPs were based.

I find myself liking some over the old ones and not necessarily the new is better either. I didnt like mp-10 because it wasn't "here" or "there" both Hasbro and Takara had missing paint apps. and one reason why I liked the EVA mp-10 because it was well painted.

MP-36 wasn't a + but it sure looks like one. So you see the issue here? Is a big cock up.

Wheeljacks unpainted white made it looked bare imo.

There is no reason why the Lamborghini logo cant be printed. I do agree thats not on. I just wish they have the MP line sorted, there shouldn't a need to guess whether this mp is going to plus that isn't etc.

Anyway too early to say as we seen nothing yet, could be bad for all I know.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Couple of prototype shots from Figure King No. 244 (https://www.facebook.com/loopaza/posts/1846788732049300):

https://i.imgur.com/ozlCWK7.jpg?1

[SharkyMcShark]

I'll express repeated confusion that we've now had 3x Optimus Prime molds, 2x Megatron molds, 2x Ultra Magnus's (Magnii?), 2x Rodimus, 2x Starscream... and not a single Galvatron?

[Deonasis]

I'll express repeated confusion that we've now had 3x Optimus Prime molds, 2x Megatron molds, 2x Ultra Magnus's (Magnii?), 2x Rodimus, 2x Starscream... and not a single Galvatron?

Well thats because Unicron made Galvatron not Takara. I’ll see myself out.

[Deonasis]

Here comes the hassle of finding the going price and selling my loose but complete Takara MP-10. Can someone point me to the ‘whats it worth thread?’

[Jetfire in the sky]

I'll express repeated confusion that we've now had 3x Optimus Prime molds, 2x Megatron molds, 2x Ultra Magnus's (Magnii?), 2x Rodimus, 2x Starscream... and not a single Galvatron?

Rodimii?? :p

[drifand]

Please not the same crouch screw with transparent yellow just make solid yellow piece.

Not sure I want this at the moment.

[Raider]

No doubt I will buy it, but begrudgingly... they need to focus on finishing the '84 cars and doing some '86 movie Decepticons. I would prefer repaints to another OP.

[Jazzman]

Real drama here is that everything we import after July 1st is going to attract 10% GST... :rolleyes: Thanks Gerry Harvey :mad:

[drifand]

Real drama here is that everything we import after July 1st is going to attract 10% GST... :rolleyes: Thanks Gerry Harvey :mad:

I don’t think much of it as it is what it is and so be it. Pretty much suck up.

[Jazzman]

I don’t think much of it as it is what it is and so be it. Pretty much suck up.

Still, for those who don't have money to burn it's gonna hurt. :(

[DaptoDog]

This works out really well for me. Cartoon accurate Prime will take over MP-10's place in my Autobots display, and MP-10 will take command of his army of MP-10 repaints on another shelf. :p

[bowspearer]

Damn it looks like they might have nailed it!

[1AZRAEL1]

Looks like the best Optimus Prime figure to date!!!

[bowspearer]

Looks like the best Optimus Prime figure to date!!!

Yeah, if what we're seeing is right, I don't see how a 4.0 is justifiable.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Without comparison shots, coloured model, etc. I’m not jumping to any conclusions just yet.

[hYpNoS]

I can see this prime 3.0 being alot cleaner, no transparent parts, no mechanical detail unless the show model had it, gonna be kinda bland but high poseability with an overly complex transformation, would NOT be surprised if they pull a fast one and make the trailer and a bunch of his accessories ttmall exclusives (and to really make it hurt, make the mp10 trailer obsolete), would help make this new one affordable, and if we're lucky some 3p will give us a trailer adaptor heh.


Real drama here is that everything we import after July 1st is going to attract 10% GST... :rolleyes: Thanks Gerry Harvey :mad:

I'm more worried about what other companies will do, will they lie for the consumers sake so they don't need to make specialized systems for the tax (because remember, the government wants the retailers to collect the tax and THEN send it to the government, not typical customs does all the work stuff), will they IP block us (like ebay was thinking awhile back) or will they bow down knowing australia buys alot of imports?

The money, I can contend with considering EVERYTHING is going up, my issue is will exporters continue to deal with us, time will tell, but thanks to some companies I almost refuse to buy australian anymore, so that 10% better fix the pot holes in the road I'll shut up now before I derail this

[Lord_Zed]

Are there actually any proper pics of this new Prime, or is it all conjecture and sarcasm?

A new Prime was inevitable, it's like printing money for Takara, and they get 5+ years of reapaints as well.

[Bidoofdude]

Hyped.

[Other]

Are there actually any proper pics of this new Prime, or is it all conjecture and sarcasm?

A new Prime was inevitable, it's like printing money for Takara, and they get 5+ years of reapaints as well.

We have magazine teases so far. We won't see a proper reveal until an event like Tokyo Toy Show in June or WonFes in July

[hYpNoS]

Are there actually any proper pics of this new Prime, or is it all conjecture and sarcasm?

A new Prime was inevitable, it's like printing money for Takara, and they get 5+ years of reapaints as well.

Can you imagine a true seeker 2.0

I'll quit this line in an instant, I just want my hasbro deco'd skywarp mp11 already :(

[drifand]

We have magazine teases so far. We won't see a proper reveal until an event like Tokyo Toy Show in June or WonFes in July

probably wait till then before commenting on proper feelings. I always feel they will miss something out. I hope they dont review that crouch screw, is like mistake being missed again and again especially if it is transparent yellow pieces over it.

[micfox001]

Rumours are going around for a MP Optimus Prime 3.0.

How many versions does Takara expect us to buy? I already have 20th Anniversary, MP2, MP4, MP10 and MP10b.


far more from a completed set.
MP-1
MP-1L
MP-1 Gold
MP-10a
MP-10r
MP-10k
Mp-711
....

[1AZRAEL1]

far more from a completed set.
MP-1
MP-1L
MP-1 Gold
MP-10a
MP-10r
MP-10k
Mp-711
....

Don't forget MP-4 lol

[ZoonMaster5000]

Don't forget MP-4 lol

There’s also Mp-1b and Mp-4s and hasbro yoth, was eva mentioned? And also the not long ago announced mp-10G. While I agree they should be making other characters no one is making anyone buy these re-do’s re-paints.

It would be nice tho if they used these money grabs to fund new character moulds as I feel that is the way forward for collectors

[bowspearer]

Without comparison shots, coloured model, etc. I’m not jumping to any conclusions just yet.

And yet the lines on the parts of the torso and one of the legs they have teased us with, strongly suggest that 3.0 is miles ahead of both 1.0 and 2.0.


Are there actually any proper pics of this new Prime, or is it all conjecture and sarcasm?

A new Prime was inevitable, it's like printing money for Takara, and they get 5+ years of reapaints as well.

Check the out page 5 with the teaser images - what is shown speaks volumes.


It would be nice tho if they used these money grabs to fund new character moulds as I feel that is the way forward for collectors

As much as my wallet is going to hate me saying this, this 3.0 release is necessary from a cartoon accuracy perspective. Don't get me wrong, MP-01 and MP-10 are magnificently designed figures, but they're not cartoon accurate - even MP-10, which was supposedly to herald in the new 2.0 soft reboot, failed to be cartoon accurate. The biggest problem has been the torso and legs on both figures, with neither being a definitive, animation model accurate Prime.

But them look at how much time has passed even between MP-10 and this v3.0. It'll be what? 7+ years between releases? If you don't think that's significant, consider the complexity difference between Sideswipe and Sunstreaker. Furthermore hasn't everyone generally felt that MP-10 immediately looks outdated and inferiorly engineered compared to MP-36?

Even what we've seen on this teaser tells us that this is a world apart from what came before. Take a good look at the panel lines and alignment on what is shown on the chest. Take a good look at that leg, where the wheels clearly invert and live inside the lower leg in robot mode. This is on a whole other level. There might not be much of the figure they've revealed, but what they have shown tells us all everything we need to know about the engineering of the figure.

Certainly the bean counters at Takara would have been rubbing their hands with glee here at milking more money out of fans with a shiny all new Convoy/Optimus Prime figure. However I don't believe for one minute that it's why the engineering and design teams did this. I genuinely believe the reason they did this was because they saw just how dated MP-10 was compared to MP-36, just what they were capable of these days with over half a decade and close to 30 MPs more experience and design advancements, and decided to close the gap.

Is a version 4.0 possible? Sure. However if the teasers are anything to go by, it's going to be really hard to justify to anyone.

[drifand]

Bape collectors will go crazy when they reboot in this design. Lol

[philby]

I can barely see any difference at least with the snippet of the chest and arm pic. How is that miles ahead? What am I missing

[bowspearer]

I can barely see any difference at least with the snippet of the chest and arm pic. How is that miles ahead? What am I missing

A) the lines and shape on the chest, and;
B) that's not an arm, it's a leg.

[Lord_Zed]

A) the lines and shape on the chest, and;
B) that's not an arm, it's a leg.

I dunno, not sold yet. I mean obviously there are going to be improvements but I haven't seen enough to get me excited, also I dread the price for a toy the size of Megatron + trailer.


Can you imagine a true seeker 2.0



Yes, I can I have a Third Party one, but if Takara do make a seeker 2.0 that's likley to be a kick in the groin for fans who picked up all 3 Takara overpriced coneheads.

[philby]

A) the lines and shape on the chest, and;
B) that's not an arm, it's a leg.

there are 2 pics. i said the photo of the chest and arm. I know one photo is of a leg. it is a bit different, i can see that they have removed the details like windscreen wiper. but how can you say that is miles ahead of the existing one already?

[bowspearer]

there are 2 pics. i said the photo of the chest and arm. I know one photo is of a leg. it is a bit different, i can see that they have removed the details like windscreen wiper. but how can you say that is miles ahead of the existing one already?

The arm wasn't really my focus as there's no real discernable change to the arm. The lies on the chest re more square and flat - reminiscent of the animation model. If it was just that, I'd say "wait and see", but the legs are the smoking gun here. To say that they're a little bit different is like saying Hell is slightly warm.

What the leg design shows is that unlike previous designs this will have slavish animation accuracy in robot mode. MP-01 had exposed wheels. MP-10 had the same exposed wheels, but had a panel flip over to cover them. They're great figures, but even in the leg department, the engineering was never spectacular.

The difference between these legs though is that the wheels are completely hidden - where it looks like from the large panels on the legs, that the wheels sit inside the legs in robot mode.

If they're going for that level of screen accuracy this time and the complex engineering to pull it off, then it stands to reason that the same attention to detail and complexity of transformation will be applied to the rest of the body.

I agree that they could still reveal something which isn't quite animation accurate, but what has been shown suggests that Prime 3.0 will be on a whole other level of animation accuracy.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Well thats because Unicron made Galvatron not Takara. I’ll see myself out.

Hah! :D

[UltraMarginal]

Well thats because Unicron made Galvatron not Takara. I’ll see myself out.

LOL!

I can see that it's different, but I don't think I care enough. I Love MP-04 and I very much like MP-10. I really like the design aesthetic that the teen and early 20's MP's had, they felt more 'realistic' to me, what a robot that turns into a vehicle would look like. The more recent designs with the more cartoon accurate robot modes are still great but I do miss the less cartoony look. It works fine for characters like shockwave since they have no earth mode, but the others feel a bit odd when they get too smooth in their bot modes.

I need them to keep making new characters, if they do a seekers 3.0 and redo the Teen numbered MP's to make them 'more cartoon accurate' I'm going to be pretty disappointed.I have all the Conehead seekers and the first version of the original 3 seekers, plus some of the others. I really want to see other characters.

[bowspearer]

LOL!

I can see that it's different, but I don't think I care enough. I Love MP-04 and I very much like MP-10. I really like the design aesthetic that the teen and early 20's MP's had, they felt more 'realistic' to me, what a robot that turns into a vehicle would look like. The more recent designs with the more cartoon accurate robot modes are still great but I do miss the less cartoony look. It works fine for characters like shockwave since they have no earth mode, but the others feel a bit odd when they get too smooth in their bot modes.

Sounds to me like you're best holding out for when the Diaclone 2.0 Car Robots figures get released ;)

[UltraMarginal]

Sounds to me like you're best holding out for when the Diaclone 2.0 Car Robots figures get released ;)

Interesting you say that, I will be tempted by a red sunstreaker if they do one, simply because of the origins of the design, being a masterpiece version of the original first diaclone toy.

I've had Sunstreaker out on the coffee table ready to transform for over a week now. all I've done is change between the super tuning mode and the normal lambo mode. It's mostly a 'I'm too tired to enjoy it' thing though than anything else.

[bowspearer]

Interesting you say that, I will be tempted by a red sunstreaker if they do one, simply because of the origins of the design, being a masterpiece version of the original first diaclone toy.

I've had Sunstreaker out on the coffee table ready to transform for over a week now. all I've done is change between the super tuning mode and the normal lambo mode. It's mostly a 'I'm too tired to enjoy it' thing though than anything else.

Actually when they do them (if they're game enough to give us + versions then they're game enough to engineer MP toy accurate versions with dianauts) what we get will be radically different to the animation accurate MPs we've been getting of late.

[Trent]

I've had Sunstreaker out on the coffee table ready to transform for over a week now. all I've done is change between the super tuning mode and the normal lambo mode. It's mostly a 'I'm too tired to enjoy it' thing though than anything else.

Lol. That was me. I did the same thing for about a week. Sat down at night ready to transform him and just couldn't muster up the energy so just flipped the supercharger out, flipped it back and put him down. All I can say is, once you get around to it, it's a pretty cool transformation. It's fairly intuitive and you won't have any trouble remembering the steps back to car mode. I really like Sunstreaker :)

[Thurmus]

I started Sunstreaker, got confused and too worried about breaking something and never bothered again. Didn't even try to Transform Megatron due to warnings of paint issues.

Will have a go one day but for now they will stay in the box.

[Bidoofdude]

It is very interesting that MP-10 was hailed as a cartoon accurate representation back when, but now in news of a newer version, we see just how much it wasn’t really. I wasn’t around for the MP-1 to MP-10 changeover of Primes, but I’d presume something similar occured.

It’s really funny how things seem like the new end all be all version when they are released, but when presented with the better new one we see all the flaws that maybe weren’t so obvious previously. Classics Jetfire comes to mind, as does Generations Kup.

[drifand]

Sunstreaker is the most fun mp tilldate for the cars. It isn’t hard after you go through transformation once. Megatron is a totally different story.

Mp-10 was never in my books as the perfect prime. Both Takara and hasbro lacked certain paint apps and eyes on Takara version were most dull.

I gotten myself a cell shaded version of mp-10 and that might be my last Optimus if version 3 isn’t great.

[Ralph Wiggum]

It’s really funny how things seem like the new end all be all version when they are released, but when presented with the better new one we see all the flaws that maybe weren’t so obvious previously. Classics Jetfire comes to mind, as does Generations Kup.

That's what Takara is counting on for us to open our wallets for Optimus 3.0 :)

I only really got MP-10 to complete the scaled collection with the other MP's, I was actually more than happy with MP-4.

[UltraMarginal]

at the time MP-01/MP-04 was hailed as the be all and end all of Optimus prime toys, how could they improve on this??!

I'm still not convinced they have, or will but that was the apparent online consensus, and when MP-10 came out, it was the new be all and end all of Optimus prime toys.

[Bidoofdude]

at the time MP-01/MP-04 was hailed as the be all and end all of Optimus prime toys, how could they improve on this??!

I'm still not convinced they have, or will but that was the apparent online consensus, and when MP-10 came out, it was the new be all and end all of Optimus prime toys.

It's much weirder for me. As someone super new to the fanbase compared to a lot of the guys here, MP-01 (although I've never held one IRL) looks like a clunky, clumsy mess to me, even if that is not really the case. I must be much less accustomed to the older designs than a lot of people.

[bowspearer]

at the time MP-01/MP-04 was hailed as the be all and end all of Optimus prime toys, how could they improve on this??!

I'm still not convinced they have, or will but that was the apparent online consensus, and when MP-10 came out, it was the new be all and end all of Optimus prime toys.

The chest on MP-01 is certainly superior to that of MP-10 and I wouldn't be surprised if the new chest is incredibly similar to it. The difference here is bound to be the legs - no MP prime to date has gotten them right from an animation accuracy perspective.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I dunno. I've got the 20th Anniversary edition of MP-01, then also MP-10 and MP-10B. I'd have to wait to see full pics of the finished product before I felt I could get enthused about another MP Prime. I mean, who needs it? Unless it's an incredible improvement (and the last MP's have been pretty damn good) it's certainly not on my want list.

I've got three MP Primes, two MP Megatrons and two MP Starscreams. And there have been plenty of slightly altered versions of those toys I don't have but others do. I reckon that's sufficient for those characters. I know others feel differently.

Bring on MP's of Hound, Jazz, Astrotrain and Blitzwing then I'll be happy :D

[UltraMarginal]

It's much weirder for me. As someone super new to the fanbase compared to a lot of the guys here, MP-01 (although I've never held one IRL) looks like a clunky, clumsy mess to me, even if that is not really the case. I must be much less accustomed to the older designs than a lot of people.

I have the Hasbro equivalent of MP-01, my biggest gripe is that after all this time, and it's been transformed quite a lot, the waist doesn't seem to sit square any more, it's like a detent has lost effect or a spring has pushed loose, it always wants to rotate to the side a bit.

I haven't seen this in my MP-04, but it's spent most of it's life stored in its original box. If you're ever in Sydney and have the opportunity to catch up, I'll happily give you a look, I might let you have a crack on my TD-12 as well ;)

[drifand]

Mp-1 was considered the real masterpiece because it appealed to many at that time that it was a solid diecast robot. Paint, individual articulated fingers, spring suspension,rubber tyres. Is the premium feel to it. Mp-10 looks great except it lack bits and pieces and is actually a cheaper product and you get charged more for it.

As seeing what TT release this year, it looks like my spending will be minimal.

[MayzaPrime]

Mp-1 was considered the real masterpiece because it appealed to many at that time that it was a solid diecast robot. Paint, individual articulated fingers, spring suspension,rubber tyres. Is the premium feel to it. Mp-10 looks great except it lack bits and pieces and is actually a cheaper product and you get charged more for it.

As seeing what TT release this year, it looks like my spending will be minimal.

MP-01 didn't have a trailer, while MP-10 did.

A better comparison would be MP-04 to MP-10

[Ralph Wiggum]

If anything, TT has demonstrated that they don’t do reincarnations of previous figures without quite noticeable changes.

[drifand]

If anything, TT has demonstrated that they don’t do reincarnations of previous figures without quite noticeable changes.

yeah I was a bit disappointed that reissued mp-10 had no fixed eyes despite I think TT knew the feedback. Is unlike Bandai where they actually do some improvements. I think they would have sold a lot more if they altered some changes.

But anyway.....I think for now is wait and see. The price might be a put off though seeing the current prices of MPs.