Climate change: Anthropogenic (human activity) or natural course of events?

[Galvatran]

Global warming / climate change is a hot topic (pardon the pun) with global consequences. We hear the Earth's surface temperature has been steadily increasing over decades; greater frequency & severity of extreme weather patterns. So, is human activity to blame or is the phenomenon of climate change a natural event?

[Thurmus]

Or is it a religion?

[Deonasis]

It is a natural progression (the earth is not in statis) that human activity is greatly impacting upon. If temperature change is cyclical we are possibly skewing it out of that cycle. But either way, increasing the rate of temperature change decreases the ability of habitats and life to evolve, and in nature when things suddenly stop, shit hits the fan.

[DELTAprime]

This is the last thread we need.

[SharkyMcShark]

I expect many minds to be changed by this thread.

[Trent]

I expect many minds to be changed by this thread.

Lol



First filter out the following groups:

politicians
religious groups
armchair experts
media personalities
corporations/individuals with a financial interest at stake
attention seekers
People who want to keep their head in the sand

Now go find evidence written by actual experts in climate science. Observe the majority opinion of this group of people.

The answer will then be presented to you.

[griffin]

Just like the frequent reversal of the magnetic poles over millions of years (https://www.windows2universe.org/earth/Magnetosphere/images/geomagnetic_reversals_160mya_5mya_big.gif), the global temperature goes through waves/cycles of temperature changes, rising and falling 8-10 degrees during each cycle (each cycle is about 100 thousand years (http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/Five_Myr_Climate_Change_Rev.jpg)), and we have been in a rising phase since before humans existed.
I'm more worried about the pollution factor (which is a component of the global warming debate), as pollution has an effect on weather patterns (droughts, storms, etc), but not planet-wide warming, as the warming has been happening quite often, well before Humans walked the earth.
(not to mention, it's air/land/sea pollution probably kills more people than heatwaves do, and most human-made carbon emissions are usually a component of something toxic - deal with the toxic emissions first because we can all agree that they are bad for us and the environment, and then worry about carbon later, which is the debated element)

[Paulbot]

Most climate change comes down to all those schemes of the Decepticons to steal our planet's energy.

Or something.

[Deonasis]

Most climate change comes down to all those schemes of the Decepticons to steal our planet's energy.

Or something.

The havok of climate change was played out during the Stonehenge scenes of Michael Bay’s Transformers swansong and future classic, The Last Knight. If we want to prevent more death, like which took the great Sir Anthony Hopkins, we must stand together as Americans and laze the climate change and blow it to hell.

[Galvatran]

Or is it a religion?

This is the last thread we need.

I expect many minds to be changed by this thread.

Most climate change comes down to all those schemes of the Decepticons to steal our planet's energy.

Or something.
Guys. I expected more maturity from Deluxe members.

I'm in the man-made climate change camp. The latest evidence is clear cut. The recent extreme weather pattern known as Stormy Daniels proves beyond a doubt that it is caused by humans. There is nothing natural with the appearance of Stormy Daniels.


And digressing, we've been told the Earth is round. Having seen footage today of Conor McGregor, I'm convinced the Earth is not round but actually an octagon.

[GoktimusPrime]

Both natural and man-made climate change are real things. They are not mutually exclusive. Natural green house gases do exist through things like evaporation and organisms releasing carbon dioxide and methane. However, human activity have significantly added to this to the point that is far above natural levels.

Just because natural climate change also exists doesn't mean that man-made climate change doesn't exist! As a kid in the 80s I remember feeling hot wind being a real rarity. I remember the first time I ever felt a hot breeze. I was out on the back porch playing with Robotech toys and a hot breeze hit me. I freaked out! I never knew that wind could be warm! :eek: Visiting countries like Malaysia and Singapore freaked me out too because I never knew that you could have entire days that could be so impossibly hot and humid. Nowadays it's not uncommon to experience these forms of tropical climates in Sydney in summer or even in late Spring or early Autumn! :eek: What was an uncommon thing in my childhood has become commonplace now in only a span of about 3 decades.

I lived in Japan in 1997 and I remember the monsoonal rainy season hitting in June. It was crazy. I was in Japan in late September in 2016 and experienced monsoonal rain! :eek: I turned to my tour guide and asked him why this weather was happening so late in the year and he replied 温暖化 (climate change). Japanese weather is usually pretty punctual but in less than 20 years I witnessed a major shift in their rainy season.

If people want to disprove climate change or the roundness of the Earth or gravity etc., then burden of proof applies. When you want to prove a widely accepted fact as being untrue then it's up to you to provide sufficient evidence to support your views. It is not the responsibility of others to prove you wrong - when your views are contrary to commonly accepted truths then they are essentially wrong by default.

The Ancient Greeks knew that the Earth was round. They also proved it. It was a given in Greek and Roman societies that the Earth was round. To suggest otherwise would make you look like what we describe in Latin as an "idiota." ;)

[Seraphim Prime]

I think the best answer to how we should respond to climate change was given by my first year geology lecturers.

As a geoscientist, he looks at the planet in its long time scales. There are natural heating and cooling events that have happened in the history of the planet that occurred long before humanity and will continue long after. In the epoch timescale, humanity lives in a warming ice age. HOWEVER - if humanity's actions are accelerating that warmth such that we accelerate our own demise, then we have a responsibility to do something about it. However as any measure will undoubtedly have a long lead-in and grandfathering allowances, we won't know truly the impact for decades. In that case it is better take action now, and be found to have not needed it all then take no action and be in further trouble. In many cases, the climate change solutions have many other benefits like clean energy and a reduction in pollution.

[SMHFConvoy]

And digressing, we've been told the Earth is round. Having seen footage today of Conor McGregor, I'm convinced the Earth is not round but actually an octagon.

I knew it, we're living in a simulation of a AD&D campaign!

[mikeyc7m]

Having seen footage today of Conor McGregor, I'm convinced the Earth is not round but actually an octagon.

I believe it is more like a soccer ball, with a mesh of pentagons and hexagons and decepticons and the horns of unicron aRE EMERGING FROM THE GROUND OMG YOU GUYS