SPOILER THREAD - Avengers Infinity War

[Meister]

SPOILER THREAD WARNING

Ok people you have been warned, if you haven’t seen the movie yet, it is recommended that you do not read this thread, a lot of the fun about this movie is discovering what happens on your first viewing, read on at your own risk.

[Meister]

Ok so for the Doctor Strange question, there is a bit where strange scans through about 14 million future scenarios trying to find a scenario where they beat Thanos. When asked he says he found only one possible future scenario where they win. I assume that is why he ended up saving Tony for the time stone, because the future scenario he saw required Tony to be alive, even though that meant Thanos would initially succeed in his plan. Before Strange disentegrates he tells Tony, it was the only way. So yeah, I took that as the one scenario where they end up winning is one where Tony lives, Strange gives Thanos the time stone and he wipes out half of life in the universe. Remember there is a part two to this story and the time stone provides the ability to reverse time.

Not to mention there is a second Spider-Man movie, black panther movie and third guardians movie in the works

[GoktimusPrime]

Nnnnyyyyyeeaaaah, I had considered that but it still doesn't gel with me. Maybe it'll make sense later in hindsight, but for now it makes no sense.


Not to mention there is a second Spider-Man movie, black panther movie and third guardians movie in the works
SQUEEEEEE! :D Yay. :)
Although it's possible that they might replace those characters.
e.g. Miles Morales as Spider-Man, a new Black Panther, Nebula leading a new team of Guardians. I hope not. I wanna see the good guys come back. :)

And there's also a critical part about Thanos' plan that seems quite flawed. If you wipe out 50% of life in the universe then that's actually going to be really devastating! e.g. on Earth it would mean wiping out 50% of plants and other microorganisms -- this would end up altering the composition of the Earth's atmosphere which in turn would also affect its climate. While Earth has experienced an extinction level event, population numbers would recover and life would evolve to cope with the new environment on the planet. Or possibly all life would be wiped out. Either outcome would disrupt Thanos' precious balance, and the same would likely happen in other worlds. We know that this has happened in Earth's past. One reason why giant insects don't exist anymore is because our atmosphere isn't nearly as rich in oxygen as it used to be, and insects are limited in size according to how much oxygen is in the atmosphere since they don't actively breathe. Note that the film always explicitly says "half of all life in the universe," not just animal life or sentient life or sapient life. Half of all life in the entire freaking universe. Wiping out half the bee population on Earth would have a huuuge impact on our environment and may very well spell extinction for humans and many other species as so many flowering plants rely on bees for pollination.

[i_amtrunks]

I bloody hope Korg and Valkyrie got off the Asgardian ship somehow off screen before Thanos’s attack. It’s said a few times half the Asgardians are left alive, yet Thanos blows up the ship... I hope we get both in part two.

I enjoyed that all four of Thanos’s children went out pitifully, they were not mini bosses to beat before facing Thanos. The fact that they were taken out without much aplomb made it all the better. The sadistic and clever one taken out by a quick thinking spider brat, the hulking guy rubbed out on a wall, blade lady by a random thrasher and Visions tormentor by his own blade.

The return of (not Hugo Weaving) Red Skull was good, unlike the Collector. Del Toro was as bad in this as he was in Last Jedi. I would have liked to have seen the attack on the Nova Corps, would’ve been a fantastic way to introduce Nova too.

As for the deaths, I expected Loki to die early on, but Heimdell took me by surprise and I cannot see him being revived by the events of Infinity War 2. Gamora was the other shock, I half expected Nebula to go. I think we all knew Vision would be gone too. As for the half and half, is it just me or was it too obvious on the connection deaths? Spider-Man for iron man, Bucky for Captain America, Groot for Rocket. Not all had a connection but there are some big driving forces for the next movie. I wonder if they’ll say Antman and Hawkeye were also “part of the gone half” to explain them being out of part two?
What I didn’t expect was Wanda and Quill to fade away. I thought they’d be instrumental in the saving the universe, which I agree with Meister is definitely dependant on Tony Stark. Can’t imagine the PTSD he will have now after this though.

At least Shuri is now definitely the smartest person on Earth, since Tony is on Titan. Having the Bifrost back will make travel easy.

This was proper event cinema and I’m glad I got to see it early (thanks marvel for moving it up to school holidays so my students don’t ruin it for me)! It’s not Lord of the Rings but it’s defintielt going to dominate conversations for weeks and the fan theories will be going crazy.

Sadly I can not recommend any toilet break times in this 160+ minute monster, it’s just go go go. Just drink as little as possible and hold on as long as you can!
Also the end scenes at the end of all the credits is okay but not worth hanging on for if you’re desperate for a toilet break!

[Meister]

Whilst technically you are right in that he says half of all life in the universe, I don’t think he meant all literally as you are interpreting it, but most likely all sentient life. The reason for this is i believe it is implied that Thanos was already trying to enact his plan manually, the example provided was his genocide on Gamora’s home planet and how the results of that act made her planet flourish afterwards, not to mention that we only see half of sentient life disintegrate after he snaps his fingers.

On that snap, although I mentioned the time stone alone having the power to reverse time, hence the likely avenue for our hero’s to return, as Thanos used the gauntlet to make half of life end, I assume it would make sense for the gauntlet with all infinity stones to have the power to turn the universe back to how it was at the snap of a finger as well

[GoktimusPrime]

It wasn't just Thanos. Several other characters also explicitly say "half of all life." And even if it's just sentient life, a lot of animals are sentient and wiping out half their population can devastate ecosystems. And what about worlds with sentient plants like wherever Groot is from etc.? Wiping out half of that population could alter climate and atmospheric conditions.

Also... why would anyone want to willing serve Thanos if they know that when he succeeds there'll be a 50:50 chance that they may be randomly wiped out? :confused: They must be a really aggressive and militarised cult.

[Meister]

Populations of any kind left unchecked can also destroy echo systems, that was the reasoning behind his “solution”. Again the whole Gamora’s home planet example I think is a pretty good indication of the intention behind his plan, even in his dialogue with Dr Strange, Strange describes his solution as “genocide”. I don’t think he was referring to trees with that word. Did you see half of all trees in Wakanda vanish?

Thanos is clearly a fanatic, and his followers are no different, just like the fanatics of ISIL are happy to detonate themselves to try and help achieve their cause, Thanos and his followers are happy to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their cause, which is to balance the universe. Thanos himself said it cost him everything, referring to how he murdered the one and only thing he loved. That is a textbook fanatic, dedicated to the achievement of his cause, no matter the cost

[GoktimusPrime]

Did you see half of all trees in Wakanda vanish?
Plot hole right there! Even on Middle Earth the trees knew that they were being screwed. :p

This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFFjcyOAvk) soothes my mind and reiterates what you said about future sequels. :o

[M-bot]

So from the last tag scene (after the credits), I’m presuming that Captain Marvel is going to be the one who saves the day? It’s really cool the way she is called, with tech Fury has clearly been carrying around for some time. Even if it’s a bit cheesy that the symbol that comes up on the screen after Fury dies is her uniform.

What we’ve been told about the Captain Marvel movie is that it is set in the 90s. So I guessing that will be her origin story and then Avengers 4 will be where they come back against Thanos. How in the loving hell they’ll do that is beyond me.

There’s also been some set photos taken of the filming of Avengers 4 that show Captain America in his Avengers 1 uniform and Hawkeye with a different hair cut. The speculation was that Hawkeye might take his Ronin persona, but now I’m thinking that all that might be set in the past, either as a flashback or, more likely, there will be a time travel element to restoring what Thanos has destroyed.

Another question though - I wonder why Fury didn’t activate the call to Captain Marvel when the Earth was first invaded by the Chitauri (Avengers 1)? Should we presume that he figured the Avengers could handle that particular situation?

Regarding the Dr Strange question, Meister hit the nail on the head. Strange forsaw only one possibility of them beating Thanos, and it involved Stark living and Thanos with the time stone. So he did that knowing he would have to both break his oath and die.

Anyone else get a smile from the fact that Peter Dinklage’s character Eitri was a giant?

Interesting things with Banner and Hulk. They basically had them arguing the whole movie, the Hulk basically being too afraid to come out (at least that’s how I read it).

Regarding the “all life” question - I don’t think it involved things like animals, plants and trees as the whole crux of Thanos’s goal is to allow populations that are left to have an abundance rather than there being poverty and need throughout the universe ie only wipe out half of those that would potentially over-use resources of their worlds. Animals and flora would presumably be exempt from that. My guess anyway.

This movie was so very much the Empire Strikes Back of the Marvel cinematic universe.

Just as a morbid exercise, a list of the dead (as I remember them - please make corrections and additions if you can):
Loki*
Heimdall*
Gamora*
Vision*
Dr Strange
Spider-Man
Starlord
Drax
Mantis
Groot
Falcon
Black Panther
Bucky
Wanda
Nick Fury
Maria Hill

(*earlier in the film, not a result of Thanos’s finger click)

Alive:
Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
War Machine
Banner/Hulk
Black Widow
Rocket
Nebula
Shuri
Okoye
M’Baku (presumably as not shown to die?)
Wong (presumably as not shown to die?)

[M-bot]

For those with Facebook, check out MaximBady’s reaction/review of the film (posted Thursday). Very funny. No spoilers in it (at least about specific events), it only goes less than 2 minutes and has a spot of swearing, so be warned.

Edit: here’s a YouTube link https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nw2pIpi-m6Q

[GoktimusPrime]

I gotta say that considering the film has such a massive ensemble cast that it does deliver a fair amount of character drive. None of the protagonists felt like set pieces (unlike say, most Bayformers) - each of them was given a reasonable window of opportunity to shine and show their worth to the audience. Not a huge amount, but again, given the huge cast I think it was well done.

And Thanos was a really well done antagonist. More than just a motion capture CGI monster (*cough*Steppenwolf*cough*), Thanos himself is actually a character. As the audience we understand his motivation and his moral universe - we can see where he's coming from. Especially when we see his ruined homeworld of Titan and he explains that this was a result of the overconsumption of resources. It reminds me of the antagonist from What Happened To Monday? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Happened_to_Monday) (and again, Killmonger) -- as brutal and immoral as they are, their cause is not without merit. These villains don't see themselves as villains, they see themselves as heroes. This makes them far more relatable and believable as people. Heck, in this regard Thanos is also similar to Beast Machines Megatron. Not that Beast Machines is a good show, and BM Megatron would be a better character if he weren't meant to be the same character as BW Megatron... but that's a whole 'nuther discussion. ;)

I also loved Peter Dinklage's portrayal as a Dwarf, and importantly, he was still a Dwarf! Just a really huge one. They didn't digitally change his proportions to "undwarf" him. He still has his disproportionately large head, an obvious trait of real-life dwarfism. And it's cool that they actually cast a dwarf to play a dwarf, because there's an argument that casting non-dwarf people to play dwarves is offensive akin to whitewashing. Just as whitewashing deprives non-white people from job opportunities in acting, so does casting non-dwarves as dwarves deprive opportunities for dwarves like Dinklage. It's not easy for dwarves to achieve success as actors... Warwick Davis, Peter Dinklage and the late Verne Troyer are the only ones that come to my mind (without Googling). I'm not familiar with Davis' work outside of Willow and Star Wars, and I haven't seen Verne Troyer in anything since Austin Powers. I hope that this will mean more acting opportunities for dwarves in the future - whether the character is a dwarf or not. As Dinklage has proven many times, you can have characters just incidentally be a dwarf - it doesn't have to be part of what defines the character, such as his role as Bolivar Trask in X-Men Days of Future Past. Trask could've easily been played by a non-dwarf or a dwarf. Where possible it'd be nice to see acting roles just go to the best qualified person -- the person who performed best at audition, regardless of colour, height, gender etc. Obviously there may be certain characters where these traits matter, but in other instances where it may not matter then why not just open the floor to a wider candidacy? :)


For those with Facebook, check out MaximBady’s reaction/review of the film (posted Thursday). Very funny. No spoilers in it (at least about specific events), it only goes less than 2 minutes and has a spot of swearing, so be warned.
Perhaps this post would be better served on the Movie Critics thread since presumably anyone who enters this thread won't care about spoilers. :)

[M-bot]

Perhaps this post would be better served on the Movie Critics thread since presumably anyone who enters this thread won't care about spoilers. :)
My thinking was that while he gives no specific details, his reaction itself *may* be considered by some as a spoiler in itself. Decided to play it safe.

[GoktimusPrime]

Super Nerdy Nerd Wish: If Disney should successfully acquire Fox, then they should acquire the rights for the X-Men, right? If soooo... and they're going to do some reality-bending stuff to bring back the dead Avengers in the next Avengers movie, then maaaybe they might be able to bring characters from the X-Men universe! :D And chuck in a Deadpool cameo too. ;)

[i_amtrunks]

So, silly thought...

What if the second movie has antman pull a heist and take the time stone, or entire gauntlet from Thanos while he is “basking in the universes thanks” and the avengers have to experiment/ time travel a bit due to the stones being somewhat stuffed (they looked scuffed or broken as well as the gauntlet itself after the finger snap).

The kicker is, to get antman onto Thanos, Hawkeye shoots him on with an arrow, making the two who did not appear in part one, important in part two!

If any of this is even close to what happens I’ll laugh my arse off! :p

[GoktimusPrime]

Problem is how would Ant-Man know where to find Thanos? Also the gauntlet looked pretty busted up at the end of the film so it's possible that it may not work anymore. Although Ant-Man could steal the Infinity Stones and then get the Dwarf to forge another gauntlet (unless the Dwarf was among the 50% to have vanished)

[Golden Phoenix]

Did anyone else notice Vision mimicked Optimus when he died and lost all his colours?

[M-bot]

Did anyone else notice Vision mimicked Optimus when he died and lost all his colours?

Good pull!!:D

[Meister]

Did anyone else notice Vision mimicked Optimus when he died and lost all his colours?

Was the matrix an infinity stone? :D

[Meister]

From the pics I’ve seen regarding the second half of infinity war (the next movie), on set there is Ironman, Captain America in his suit from the first avengers, and antman in a scene together.

I’m assuming that antman and the wasp will be occurring concurrent to infinity war or just before the events take place, and based on the theme of infinity war, my prediction would be that Wasp will disintegrate at the conclusion of that movie (bringing antman into the avengers mix)

As for the deaths, I think the real character deaths are to come in the second half when they finally beat Thanos, and my predictions would be Ironman, Captain America and Thor. The reason behind my thoughts is that these guys have already had their trilogy of films, and I think the MCU has been prepping their equivalent replacements I.e.:

Ironman - Spider-Man
Captain America - Black Panther
Thor - Captain Marvel

Anyway that would be my hunch for now (which could be completely wrong)

[shockNwave]

A long time ago Saving Private Ryan set a precedent and war movies have never been the same since. Now Infinity War sets a precedent that no superhero movie will be able to match. I can only see DC as the closest competitor and they're wayyyy off. Yet outside of live action movies, I can only see animated movies as the closest one can get to matching such an epic and I'd put more money on an anime/manga studio than DC to attempt such an undertaking.

Now as we all know it's a no brainer that the time stone will be the keystone to undoing the damage caused by Thanos. The question I have is: How will Thanos wield the other five stones to protect the time stone?

1. The reality stone: Illusion, illusion and more illusion. How the hell can you find a stone when realities can exist within realities to keep it hidden?

2. The soul stone: The loss of The Black Order as well as his many troops won't bother Thanos when he can resurrect them with this nifty gem.

3. The space stone: When the going gets tough this stone offers the best tactical retreat if not sneak attack anywhere in the universe. Also the best form of logistical transport in the universe when used to move objects on an industrial scale as long as it's teleportation.

4. The mind stone: Vision is an evolved being courtesy of this stone. If evolved also means innovative, outside-the-square thinking, then this will make Thanos even more clever and shrewd. And last but definitely not least (as shown by The Avengers 1 & 2) is the capacity to control minds.

5. The power stone: As powerful as the other stones are. How much more powerful can they be when they have this terrifying stone as an auxiliary power amplifying them? I believe the movie's ending answers this question quite well.

[M-bot]

I had a text discussion with a mate today, he was saying that the DC universe should do something similar to what Infinity War did (in killing off a bunch of characters - albeit in a potentially temporary manner), my response was that if DCEU did that, there wouldn’t likely be the same reaction as the shock most people are feeling after IW.

[Paulbot]

DC’s “Avengers” film came too soon after only two solo movies and one team-up movie, but I could see them trying to do their “Infinity War” next — which would be Crisis on Infinite Earths (but even that title would be seen as derivative!) without the 10 years of film to set it up and make it work.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Holy crap this movie was amazeballs. Incredible how it kept me engaged for the whole 2.5 hours with room for some more character development. The action scenes were fantastic and there was just the right amount of humour. Sure I could find something to nitpick but theres no fun in that.

It’s obvious with more MCU films in the works there will be some magical “undo” moment but Avengers 4 can’t come soon enough.

[Lord_Zed]

Very cool film considering the huge crossover nature, they even built the villain up even if his plan is a bit odd.

I wont say it's my favourite Marvel Film of the last few years, but considering the nature of these crossover type events in film (or comics) they did the best they could, and deserve applause.





Alive:
Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
War Machine
Banner/Hulk
Black Widow
Rocket
Nebula
Shuri
Okoye
M’Baku (presumably as not shown to die?)
Wong (presumably as not shown to die?)

So, is it just me are all those Avengers that survived the one's whose actors contracts are about to expire?

My personal theory is that somehow most of the heroes who are gone will save the others, but in the process themselves retire or be replaced (recast) somehow.

[GoktimusPrime]

I had a text discussion with a mate today, he was saying that the DC universe should do something similar to what Infinity War did (in killing off a bunch of characters - albeit in a potentially temporary manner), my response was that if DCEU did that, there wouldn’t likely be the same reaction as the shock most people are feeling after IW.
The DCU needs to do what the MCU did and make good movies. :o

(Wonder Woman not withstanding)

[Lord_Zed]

Pretty much all the other studios attempts to make 'universe movies' have failed, what Marvel has done with their universe and Infinity War is unique in film, and quite frankly with Super Hero fatigue a thing I'm not sure anyone else will ever be able to create a universe quite like this.

[XMan]

I wonder how many years will have passed between Infinity War and the next film - looking at set pics for 4 when they use either the time stone or B.A.R.F. (or some other way) as Tony has grey hair and is wearing a S.H.I.E.L.D. jumpsuit and Scott looks a little older at the battle of New York.

Maybe reality becomes fragmented from their attempts...

[Deonasis]

What a great movie!

And what a regret to carry.. not going for the head.

Great to have a movie revolve around a villian who succeeded. You could really see his (demented) burden and determination.

So Nova is coming and Adam Warlock is still waiting for a movie part too isnt he?

[Lord_Zed]

So I'm guessing the next Avengers film will be more focused on the original guys, and their last hurrah.

I also read somewhere that the title for the next film has been withheld as it could be a spoiler. I'm thinking "Avengers Disassembled".

[shockNwave]

I'm sure Thanos attack on Xandar (to steal the power stone) would've been a piece of cake considering that Ronan had first attacked it and then it was softened up by Ego's terraforming.

It peeves me that Korg is likely dead. I would've enjoyed seeing him on Earth encountering a Korg synthesiser/keyboard for the first time.;)

[CHILENO20]

So I'm guessing the next Avengers film will be more focused on the original guys, and their last hurrah.

I also read somewhere that the title for the next film has been withheld as it could be a spoiler. I'm thinking "Avengers Disassembled".

More like Reassembled :D

[GoktimusPrime]

I quite like how some studios are choosing to release "dummy spoilers" in certain trailers. :)

https://image.ibb.co/iAXX9S/temp.jpg

[shockNwave]

It's a good thing that this Thanos is not obsessed with Lady Death. Because most of the audience (who are likely unaware of who she really is) would be saying, "Hela is death and she was obliterated in Thor Ragnarok."
Instead we have a Thanos obsessed with balance that is comparable to Ra's al Ghul's obsession. The difference being that one prefers to balance out cities on Earth the other does it to planets.

P.S. It's funny how Corvus Glaive looks kind of like those Goblins that Spider-Man is always having to fight.

[CHILENO20]

I quite like how some studios are choosing to release "dummy spoilers" in certain trailers. :)

https://image.ibb.co/iAXX9S/temp.jpg

Pretty sure the bottom one did happen

[Trent]

Pretty sure the bottom one did happen

It did. But that may have been his point.

[1AZRAEL1]

Gamora, plus the ones dissolved because of the gauntlet, I don't think are "dead" dead. Possible that when Thanos saw a child Gamora he was inside the Soul stone, meaning the rest could be in there. And the sunset he viewed I believe was on Gamora's home planet. "A paradise" he said to Gamora. Would make sense that's where he would go.

Am I right? No idea, but does make ya think.

Dinklage as a giant dwarf did make me chuckle, worked perfectly.

As for the Valkyrie, I could be wrong, but a brief shot of some of the bodies on the floor I thought I saw someone with face markings similar to hers.

Josh Brolin is gonna have a nice paying year this year lol

[Deonasis]

So anybody after the click is in the soul stone and then everybody will get out again. I had hoped the “de-gloving” was actually a gem switcheroo where Tony’s suit is holding the reality stone and Thanos only thinks he can finally rest. This is just buying time of course, as once Thanos finds out the trick in II he will be pissed and give mercy to no-one. I’ve only seen it once and the reality stone was probably used to put Hulkbuster into the wall which would break this continuity. I’m just not a fan of the death-undo.

[drifand]

So anybody after the click is in the soul stone and then everybody will get out again. I had hoped the “de-gloving” was actually a gem switcheroo where Tony’s suit is holding the reality stone and Thanos only thinks he can finally rest. This is just buying time of course, as once Thanos finds out the trick in II he will be pissed and give mercy to no-one. I’ve only seen it once and the reality stone was probably used to put Hulkbuster into the wall which would break this continuity. I’m just not a fan of the death-undo.

Could you explain more? I am not sure how Tony's suit is holding the reality stone?

[shockNwave]

Could you explain more? I am not sure how Tony's suit is holding the reality stone?

The question is "Does Tony have the tech that can remove that stone from the gauntlet?" Because the infinity gauntlet looks like a magnet designed to keep the stones fixed in place.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Given Tony's devastation after having lost the battle at the end of the movie, I simply don't see him pulling a switcheroo being the catalyst for the "undo" moment. Also, the reality stone has limits when used on its own, as shown when Drax and Mantis return to normal after Thanos leaves Knowhere. Thanos could only change the universe when he had the full power of all six stones. No way he could've done it with any less.

[Autocon]

Will it be a soul for a soul to retrieve them from the soul stone? I think there will be an easy undo feature as well. Good movie but can we sue for false advertising? There were scenes i wanted to see but werent in the movie. Its not just marvel but others too.

[GoktimusPrime]

Okay, I've come to accept Strange's plan in allowing Thanos to take the Mind Stone in order for Stark to survive. Still unconvinced about the surviving 50% of life in the universe being able to survive. As I said before, Earth's environment would change a lot with the loss of half our biomass including (but not limited to) oxygen producing plants and phytoplankton. Surviving humans would be affected by losing 50% of their biome - that's the good bacteria that live inside you in symbiosis. You actually need them for things like digestion etc. This is why people can feel ill side effects after taking antibiotics because they indiscriminately kill all bacteria, good and bad, and I know doctors who recommend taking probiotics (e.g. Yakult etc.) while on antibiotics in order to replenish your supply of good bacteria. I think that entire ecosystems would collapse after losing 50% of their organisms. Critically endangered species would be utterly devastated and become practically extinct (i.e. although some individuals may survive, there would not be enough for the species to remain viable... they would become doomed species). From Thanos' POV it's truly a stupid plan. He needs to be a lot more discriminatory in terms of which species to target - i.e. those that have become overpopulated and are harmfully exploiting their natural resources. So yeah, in that regard there's logic in eliminating 50% of the human race. This would reduce the human race down to 3.5 billion people, which was the population of humans on Earth in the 1960s. :eek: Yeah... that's how crazily we've been overpopulating this planet in just 50 years. But half of all life on Earth? In the universe? That seems far too simplistic and doesn't make sense.

Okay, okay, let's just say that he only eliminated 50% of sapient life and not all life (even though the film repeatedly and very explicitly states ALL life, but watevs)... that might make more sense. And the interesting thing here is that it's of course easy for us to see Thanos as a monster for randomly eliminating 50% of sapient life, but remember that White people did the same thing to Indigenous Australians by introducing smallpox. That disease alone wiped out 50% of the native Australian population (and 70% of the indigenous population of Sydney). :( The same thing happened when the Spaniards conquered the Aztecs and when Europeans arrived in North America -- 50% of each of those populations were killed off by introduced diseases. And it got even worse when White Americans deliberately infected Native Americans with smallpox in order to cull their population numbers. :eek: American soldiers distributed smallpox infected blankets to Native Americans... they were using the disease as a biological weapon. :eek:

So as monstrous as Thanos may seem, bear in mind that...
a/ Humans are just as bad or worse.
b/ Thanos is fictitious character. The decimation of native populations through the introduction of diseases really happened - and in some cases, with deliberate malice.

Arguably more malicious than Thanos' goal because Thanos' plan is to cull sapient populations in order to save the other half. The smallpox plan was to kill as many American Indians as possible -- it was genocide!

“I will try to inoculate the Indians by means of blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is a pity to appose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniards’ method, and hunt them with English dogs, supported by Rangers and some light horse, who would, I think, effectively extirpate or remove that vermin.” 
— Col. Henry Bouquet, 13 July, 1763

^Native Americans were seen as little more than a "pest species." Thanos doesn't view other sapient species as pestilence. He sees what he's doing as a necessary evil because the needs of the many (in the long run) outweighs the needs of the few (in the short run). Culling the numbers will ensure long term future survival. And Thanos knows this to be true because he's witnessed his own homeworld of Titan become a wasteland from overpopulation. Thanos himself is possibly the last member of his species, meaning that his race is practically extinct.

[M-bot]

Gok, I agree with your reasoning in general, but I think the bit that you’re missing is that Thanos is a bit nuts. To him, it all makes sense, it’s logical and reasonable, but in reality it is just mass killing that may very well have consequneces his wrong-headedness won’t or can’t comprehend. You and I can think it through rationally, Thanos cannot or does not. The film attempts to give him a clear motivation, however unreasonable, to make him more well rounded as a character.

Consider people who holds racist views: despite any rational, reasoned and logical examination that tells us that we are all equal regardless of race, religion, orientation, etc, there are those who WILL NOT under any circumstances accept those views, and hold onto their predjudices no matter what, because it fits their twisted world view. I see Thanos the same way. To him, the cause is righteous. I know it isn’t, you know it isn’t, but like they say, no-one is the villain of their own story.

Also, there’s a neat contrast in the motivations of the heroes vs. the villains - Thanos wants to kill half of everyone to “bring balance to the universe”, whereas the heroes (especially Cap) want to save every single individual they can. That’s the “needs of the many/needs of the few” argument you noted in your post.

[Meister]

...Thanos is a bit nuts.

And that’s an understatement to say the least

The reasoning and logic behind his plan is akin to Hitler’s final solution (without the specific biases)

[drifand]

Yeah unfortunately that’s how he believes in making a better place..

This movie makes me want to buy the other mcu blue ray movies.

[Ralph Wiggum]

And that’s an understatement to say the least

The reasoning and logic behind his plan is akin to Hitler’s final solution (without the specific biases)

I’d say Thanos and Hitler both used cognitive distortion and justification to rationalise their motives. But the actual motive and intent of their actions couldn’t be any more different.

[Meister]

I’d say Thanos and Hitler both used cognitive distortion and justification to rationalise their motives. But the actual motive and intent of their actions couldn’t be any more different.

Not necessarily, Hitler’s ultimate goal in the end was to try to create a “better world” according to his own twisted sadistically psychopathic demented racist mind. Which is what ultimately appears to be Thanos’ goal as well through his “solution”

Having said that, I agree that it’s pretty obvious there are considerably more differences between the two cases then there are similarities, just noting that they are both mentally unstable fanatics, and that trying to apply objective logic to their reasoning is not going to produce any favourable results into understanding their views

[shockNwave]

In a previous post I mentioned how Thanos is like Ra's al Ghul in his goal to bring about balance.

Well, here's another Batman villain that stands for balance. His name is Equinox and he stands for an accurate and precise form of balance like Thanos except that unlike Thanos, Equinox doesn't believe in the random selection of victims.

[drifand]

have been viewing the summarised comic version of this and Is different that Thanos was doing more out of trying to proof his worthy and love for Mistress Death.

It will be interesting that I do expect a Marvel movie with Adam Warlock and is too good an opportunity to pass as he was introduced in Gardians 2