Masterpiece Beast Wars Megatron

[griffin]

The next Beast Wars Masterpiece toy has been revealed at a Japanese convention - Megatron.
It is only a grey prototype at this stage but looks really nice (http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/05/09/masterpiece-43-beast-wars-megatron-grey-prototype-revealed-363585).

From twitter (https://twitter.com/0301Tatsumi/status/994442107715633152?s=20), of the Masterpiece display at the Japanese convention, showing how Megatron will scale with Dinobot, who is already slightly bigger than Optimus Primal (in the second photo from official images).

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/news/2018/051001.jpg
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[VERT]

YESSSSS I must get him. He looks great. And my second favorite Megs ever.

[bowspearer]

Am I the only one here worried about the price before it's even been announced after the cost of MP Dinobot?

[SharkyMcShark]

Now THIS I can get into. Not a fake part in sight. Yet. Aaah yes.

[1AZRAEL1]

Lovin it. It's about time they did a Pred. He looks great so far

[Paulbot]

Am I the only one here worried about the price before it's even been announced after the cost of MP Dinobot?

Not the only one. Particularly when this toy is standing next to and clearly bigger than MP Dinobot.

[loophole]

OMFG YES!!

[MayzaPrime]

So awesome!!!

[griffin]

(added photos in the first post of Megatron next to Dinobot, showing scale)

[Jetfire in the sky]

F'N Glorious!! Way to go TakTom :eek:

[Deonasis]

Looks awesome. Hope he isn’t as gappy as Dinobot but they nail the paintjob like the rest of the BW MPs.

[hYpNoS]

Just need an mp galvatron and an titan class scorponok and I'll have all my holy grails.

Yessssssssssssssss

[doublespy]

Truly awesome. So the first two BW MPs did sell.

I'll continue buying these MPs no matter how ridiculous people think the price is, and hopefully enough people do the same and we'll see an MP Blackarachnia at some point. To me, Takara is selling engineering here, not plastic and screws by the kilo.:D

[Lord_Zed]

The first two Beast Wars MP's were home runs for me, and until Inferno the Autobot cars were getting a bit stagnant, so It makes my day to see Megatron in MP version.

I'd love to see them do the rest of the Beast Wars year one cast really.

I imagine the price will be prohibitive, but they only release one Beast Wars MP a year (guessing Megs is 2019) and there's only a much more limited cast to choose from, so It actually bugs me less than the Autobot Cars going up so much.

[DELTAprime]

I really want to see him painted. He already looks great, but I'm sure he will look even better painted up.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

This is such a great shot!:

https://s9.postimg.cc/4cyrbtrvz/shizuoka2018b-05-jpg.jpg

So clear and so much detail, you can even see part of his left hand.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Rough size comparison (https://twitter.com/k9_1445/status/994593947300253696):

https://i.imgur.com/BUqFaqa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wWmAq5P.jpg

[FruitBuyer]

He looks like he's around MP-10/MP-36 in height given Dinobot is around the same size as MP Grimlock

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, based on photos I'm guesstimating MP Dinobot to be about 23~24cm and MP BW Megs to be around 25cm (MP10 size).

[bowspearer]

To me, Takara is selling engineering here, not plastic and screws by the kilo.:D

This will hopefully be reflected in the price. I'm hoping that the real reason Dinobot is so expensive, is because of how insanely engineered he had to be to be animation accurate - entirely because of how complex the animation model, including the transformation was.

Conversely, while there were some minor cosmetic differences with the animation model, the transformation itself didn't stray too far from that of the original toy.

As such, with a bit of luck, this guy will come in costing less than Dinobot did.

[DELTAprime]

I'm hoping that the real reason Dinobot is so expensive, is because of how insanely engineered he had to be to be animation accurate - entirely because of how complex the animation model, including the transformation was.

I'm also hoping that was the reason for for Dinobot's price, but given the price of the new MP+ Shockwave over the original MP Shockwave I'm doubting BW Megatron will be cheap.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

I'm also hoping that was the reason for for Dinobot's price, but given the price of the new MP+ Shockwave over the original MP Shockwave I'm doubting BW Megatron will be cheap.

Remember MP+ Shockwave is a TTMall exclusive, so the price is artificially inflated.

[bowspearer]

I'm also hoping that was the reason for for Dinobot's price, but given the price of the new MP+ Shockwave over the original MP Shockwave I'm doubting BW Megatron will be cheap.Remember MP+ Shockwave is a TTMall exclusive, so the price is artificially inflated.

The other thing is that I imagine this release will have a much smaller run and the bean-counters at TT have already counted on MP-29+ having a much smaller market appeal.

Actually what will be interesting is if Hasbro does an MP T-Wrecks out of this to commemorate Beast Machines.

[FatalityPitt]

Finally! BW Megatron! Can't wait to see the alt-mode. I wonder if the rubber duck accessory will be included.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Figure King pics (https://www.facebook.com/Planetiacon.stfu/photos/pcb.1751450374920895/1751449401587659/?type=3&theater):

https://i.imgur.com/MYlDljC.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/GAJ0KWA.jpg

[Lord_Zed]

Looks awesome, yeeeessss!

[Autocon]

I didnt think OP was that small in the cartoon

[drifand]

So.... 30,000jpy looking at size?

[Jetfire in the sky]

Bot mode is great but he is very panelly in dino mode. :(
I love the size and while it might be different to the cartoon it does make scale sense considering the difference sizes in the animals they turn into.

[kurdt_the_goat]

That dino head sculpt is on point! The whole thing is incredible, can't wait.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Some clearer pics from Figure King No. 244 (https://www.facebook.com/loopaza/posts/1846788732049300):

https://i.imgur.com/2nuaGBL.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/CWEnSbX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iI9wRLV.jpg?1

[DELTAprime]

2 things....

1: Can I please see a painted version? Cause I'm sure that will be amazing!

2: How many kidneys is it going to cost me?

[Trent]

2 things....

1: Can I please see a painted version? Cause I'm sure that will be amazing!

2: How many kidneys is it going to cost me?

1: Soon... Soon.

2: 3

[bowspearer]

I don't think this will be that pricey, it looks like a serious panel former with not a lot of parts flipping.

[DELTAprime]

And we have some colour.

http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/06/08/masterpiece-mp-43-beast-wars-megatron-first-full-color-image-365330

Given the lighting may be a bit off I'm thinking it looks show accurate, but not sure.

[kurdt_the_goat]

Man on the floor Tetsuwan Convoy providing the goods!

https://i.imgur.com/dK6vxMql.jpg ('https://i.imgur.com/dK6vxMq.jpg')

https://i.imgur.com/fPgxK52l.jpg ('https://i.imgur.com/fPgxK52.jpg')

https://i.imgur.com/ohBlma2l.jpg ('https://i.imgur.com/ohBlma2.jpg')

https://i.imgur.com/XTiyGjVl.jpg ('https://i.imgur.com/XTiyGjV.jpg')

https://i.imgur.com/QMFBV57l.jpg ('https://i.imgur.com/QMFBV57.jpg')

https://i.imgur.com/xiJw7k5l.jpg ('https://i.imgur.com/xiJw7k5.jpg')

https://i.imgur.com/LdheVAFl.jpg ('https://i.imgur.com/LdheVAF.jpg')

https://i.imgur.com/nqyZidYl.jpg ('https://i.imgur.com/nqyZidY.jpg')

[Tober]

Man on the floor Tetsuwan Convoy providing the goods!

That's some nice shooting there Tets! :)

They are looking great.

[DELTAprime]

Now let's just hope he doesn't cost more than the one kidney I can live without.:p

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Looking good!

Scan from a leaflet (https://twitter.com/GARUME/status/1005460214261280768):

https://i.imgur.com/g40RdOH.jpg

Inside of the mouth:

https://i.imgur.com/57GNw8x.jpg

[ZoonMaster5000]

I’m not a fan of beast wars but that megatron is bad ass!

[1AZRAEL1]

Glorious. A masterpiece worthy of my beast wars shelf

[Nevac]

I’m not a fan of beast wars but that megatron is bad ass!

I agree don't have any Beast Wars figures nor interest in collecting any but credit where it's due this looks awesome and seems to look great in either mode. Not a fan of the overly pregnant Dinobot raptor but I can't fault this Megatron.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

He looks purdy, and I love the size. Shame this is the only body BW Megs had that I didn't really like.

Also a shame that if they stick to scale then we'll basically never get a Dragon Megs.:(

[FruitBuyer]

He's going to be bloody expensive, definitely more than Dinobot but I need to make room for him.

[philby]

The Beast Wars MP figures all look brilliant so far but I think I am lucky I don't have the same nostalgia to drive me into purchasing. Unlike the G1 figures..

[GALVATOM]

I didnt think OP was that small in the cartoon


Bot mode is great but he is very panelly in dino mode. :(
I love the size and while it might be different to the cartoon it does make scale sense considering the difference sizes in the animals they turn into.

Around when MP Primal was announced we spent a bit of time over at TFW2005 making a sclae chart based on screen captures from the show. Takara have so far made all the BW MPs scale perfectly relative to one another. Check it out if you like, Megatron and Dinobot both dwarfed Primal in size.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/unofficial-beast-wars-scale-chart.1075068/

[DELTAprime]

Interesting new pictures of Megatron. I can't read Japanese but it looks like much of the dino mode stuff comes off to reveal the underlying robot.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-colour-images-of-takara-tomy-transformers-masterpiece-mp43-beast-wars-megatron-and-features/41450/

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

High res scans of Figure King No. 245 (https://www.facebook.com/loopaza/posts/1883640831697423):

https://i.imgur.com/V83RVFP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KLbMewf.jpg

[Paulbot]

Interesting new pictures of Megatron. I can't read Japanese but it looks like much of the dino mode stuff comes off to reveal the underlying robot.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-colour-images-of-takara-tomy-transformers-masterpiece-mp43-beast-wars-megatron-and-features/41450/

It looks like it’s trying to emulate his briefly seen pre-beast mode robot appearance, but in doing so it shows how much shell forming is going on for the TRex body.

[griffin]

It comes with his toothbrush from one episode, but no rubber ducky???



I don't recognise the gun though. I don't remember Megatron ever using one, as he fires blasts from his beast hand.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

It comes with his toothbrush from one episode, but no rubber ducky???


I don't recognise the gun though. I don't remember Megatron ever using one, as he fires blasts from his beast hand.

It's his hunting rifle from Call of the Wild:

https://youtu.be/1rIP6wRt2sQ?t=54s

I think the rubber ducky was featured more prominently in season 2 when he was transmetal, so that's probably why they didn't include it.

[DELTAprime]

It comes with his toothbrush from one episode, but no rubber ducky???



I don't recognise the gun though. I don't remember Megatron ever using one, as he fires blasts from his beast hand.


It's his hunting rifle from Call of the Wild:

https://youtu.be/1rIP6wRt2sQ?t=54s

I think the rubber ducky was featured more prominently in season 2 when he was transmetal, so that's probably why they didn't include it.

Apparently Griff and I both need to rewatch Beast Wars cause I also have forgotten this stuff .

[griffin]

Of course... the hunting rifle.


As for the rubber ducky - did it appear in season one at all?
I guess if it is more remembered with the Transmetal Megatron, that would probably make sense leaving it out. (it kinda makes me want a MP Transmetal Megatron now... actually, I think the Transmetals would work well as Masterpiece toys, as they wouldn't have as much trouble dealing with curves and organic parts in the transformations and robot modes)

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

As for the rubber ducky - did it appear in season one at all?

I'm not sure, but TF Wiki mentions the first appearance of the duck in Coming of the Fuzors Part 2:

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Rubber_Ducky

[Lord_Zed]

Man I can't wait for this, I sure hope they make the rest of season one as MP's.

[TAAUBlaster]

MP-43 Beast Wars Megatron (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/mp-43-beast-wars-megatron.1152322/page-142#post-15896967)

35,000 Yen... :rolleyes:

[BruiseLee]

MP-43 Beast Wars Megatron (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/mp-43-beast-wars-megatron.1152322/page-142#post-15896967)

35,000 Yen... :rolleyes:

Probably some preorder savings on that but good old GST will bump that right back up...:rolleyes:

[griffin]

MP-43 Beast Wars Megatron (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/mp-43-beast-wars-megatron.1152322/page-142#post-15896967)

35,000 Yen... :rolleyes:


:eek:


With shipping from most foreign sources, at the current exchange rate, that's going to be close to AU$500.



Maybe this is how they can risk/afford to do small-run toys that have little to no redeco potential.

[1AZRAEL1]

That's insane. Some of these MP are becoming a very niche market. Just look at the price of Cordon too, double what Sunstreaker was. I may have to really start to pick and choose

[griffin]

The annoying thing is that people on other fansites are justifying the price by saying that Dinobot was 30,000 yen and is smaller with less features... but just because the way-overpriced Dinobot was acceptable to some fans, it doesn't mean that it should be the new benchmark to allow toys that are barely Leader sized, be five times the price of Leaders (POTP Leaders are 6,800yen).
If we keep supporting these price-points by buying them, TakaraTomy and Hasbro will keep bumping up the prices, well beyond the standard revenue needed to cover the cost of creating and manufacturing these toys.

[DELTAprime]

The prices of MPs have gone from a steal in the days before Takara and Tomy merged. Too what I think was completely reasonable for many years. However now these prices feel completely unreasonable.

I was willing to buy Dinobot as a one off high priced MP at the $275 that TLTC has him. However now that it's clear TT are going to continue these insane prices I'm going to reevaluate if I'm even going to continue with the MP line at all. (I was already going to stop G1 MPs with the exception of characters like Jazz, Galvatron, Cyclonus and Scourge I have massive affinity for.)

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Thanks TT! Put in useless features like a voice chip on an already expensive figure!

You just get that feeling they're testing the waters to see if they can charge the same price (or more) for Prime V3.

[Jinto]

That price reveal is a real shame. I wasn't particularly expecting him to be affordable, but I can't imagine how many people at all can justify a price like that.
And that voice chip... wasteful. The first thing I do with any electronic figure is ditch the batteries. Get rid of it and drop the price by $50. Geez.

[1AZRAEL1]

Funny that people are openly advocating for the inevitable KO

[yoshi594]

i saw the price at bbts...i couldn't believe it! then i came here and now i'm shocked to the core!

So if u want 1, it's going to cost:
35,000 - 20% = 28000
+ GST = 30800
shipping = ~lets say 3000 yen cos he's big = 33800
exchange rate = lets say we're at 80 yen mastercard rate = 422.5!!!
$422.50 for a transformer! No diecast!
This is more than chogokin/macross/hot toys pricing!?

I can see dinobot is back in stock at hlj...preorder cancel in response to megatron price reveal?

I'll probably preorder and CANCEL if it doesn't sell out

[FruitBuyer]

Yeah, much like you guys there's not a chance I can drop that much dosh on Megatron. Not to mention the whole stupid GST thing, Masterpieces are becoming more and more prohibitive to continue.

I suppose I should thank them because I really need to wind down my collection due to space reasons. Maybe I can save my money on the inevitable BW Grimlock re-tool for Dinobot instead.

[Mr_K]

Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that none of the Beast Wars MPs (Optimus and Cheetor) have been KO'ed yet?

Beast Wars Megatron was and still is my favourite TF character alongside the original G1 Optimus so I am really torn here. I was about to drop cash on Dinobot because Megs was coming out, but now I feel like I should really just get one or the other -> or get neither because the money could be better spent elsewhere.

[bowspearer]

¥35,000?!?!?! Are you f***ing kidding me?!?!?!?! I could get it with the insane amounts of engineering on Dinobot, but given that there is far less engineering on Megatron, there is no reason it should be anywhere near that amount!

I think I'll sit this one out until it goes on sale at HLJ after shelfwarming.

[FruitBuyer]

¥35,000?!?!?! Are you f***ing kidding me?!?!?!?! I could get it with the insane amounts of engineering on Dinobot, but given that there is far less engineering on Megatron, there is no reason it should be anywhere near that amount!

I think I'll sit this one out until it goes on sale at HLJ after shelfwarming.

I'm a bit conflicted here. I don't want this to shelf-warm because I want Takara to succeed and go back to the days where they released different versions to Hasbro however at the same time I don't want to continue to see increasingly ridiculous prices in the Masterpiece line. I suppose only time will tell what happens.

[bowspearer]

I'm a bit conflicted here. I don't want this to shelf-warm because I want Takara to succeed and go back to the days where they released different versions to Hasbro however at the same time I don't want to continue to see increasingly ridiculous prices in the Masterpiece line. I suppose only time will tell what happens.

I'm not too sure it would. I think if the other MPs do well - particularly the BW ones - but Megatron shelfwarms but then rushes off the shelves at a sale price, you'd have to be pretty wilfully blind to fail to see that the price-point was the sore spot.

[FruitBuyer]

I'm not too sure it would. I think if the other MPs do well - particularly the BW ones - but Megatron shelfwarms but then rushes off the shelves at a sale price, you'd have to be pretty wilfully blind to fail to see that the price-point was the sore spot.

Thing is that I can't see it shelf-warming at all. This fandom has a lot of whales out there with very poor impulse control.

Something like Road Rage shelf-warming makes sense because she essentially has no backstory however BW Megatron is one of the most popular characters.

[Deonasis]

Takara is shooting themselves in the foot here.

The crazy thing is once people start to drop off getting every (insert criteria) MP it becomes easier to skip others in their now-incomplete line.

Alternatively, a KO becomes very attractive and could (as has happened with MP-36) even be better quality. People become more accepting of KOs.

Also, i think less people would buy a T-wrecks repaint (or any repaint) of such an expensive figure.

So that is an issue for Takara if they want to ‘premium the shit’ outta Megatron.

[1AZRAEL1]

With the limited repaint opportunity, that's why it's more expensive I feel. I don't think the new Op will follow suit of being expensive, they can do a million repaints of him and people will eat him up. Those that want this Megatron will buy him regardless

[drifand]

Even at 30,000 I think is questionable that people wil just buy it.
I don’t know, I am glad I am not into bw.

I had friends skipping dinobot already so I am assuming this will be a skip for what they asking.

For me anything above the 25,000 jpy mark I start questioning if I really need one.

[Shirokaze]

I think everyone needs to relax, it's not actually going to hit shelves at 35,000. The RRP on MP Dinobot is Y30240, most of us have it preordered at Y21,340.

The last few MPs I preordered were 20-30% less than RRP too.
MP-10 Black Convoy - 13824 -> 9980
MP-22 Ultra Magnus - 19440 -> 13720
MP-36 Megs 24780 -> 19270

In bricks and mortar stores prices were typically 1-2000yen less than what we pay online as well, so I really don't think that Takara Tomy expects anyone to pay full RRP.

Expect BW Megatron to go up for preorder around 25,000-26000 I reckon ;)

[FruitBuyer]

I think everyone needs to relax, it's not actually going to hit shelves at 35,000. The RRP on MP Dinobot is Y30240, most of us have it preordered at Y21,340.

The last few MPs I preordered were 20-30% less than RRP too.
MP-10 Black Convoy - 13824 -> 9980
MP-22 Ultra Magnus - 19440 -> 13720
MP-36 Megs 24780 -> 19270

In bricks and mortar stores prices were typically 1-2000yen less than what we pay online as well, so I really don't think that Takara Tomy expects anyone to pay full RRP.

Expect BW Megatron to go up for preorder around 25,000-26000 I reckon ;)

The point is that Masterpiece is only getting more expensive with each release.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

... so I really don't think that Takara Tomy expects anyone to pay full RRP.

Except for those buying from US stores who are charging above RRP (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/76538).

Even with discounts, it's still a large chunk of money, particularly given TT's cavalier attitude to QC.

[bowspearer]

Thing is that I can't see it shelf-warming at all. This fandom has a lot of whales out there with very poor impulse control.

Something like Road Rage shelf-warming makes sense because she essentially has no backstory however BW Megatron is one of the most popular characters.

It's not just Roadrage though. The rerelease of Ultra Magnus has been going for as low as ¥12,000 on clearance.


Except for those buying from US stores who are charging above RRP (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/76538).

Even with discounts, it's still a large chunk of money, particularly given TT's cavalier attitude to QC.

Given that Japanese etailers like HLJ allow depositless preorders and have holding and bulk shipping services available, I simply have one question in response to that statement.

Why are people still dealing with US online sellers for Japanese releases?

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Given that Japanese etailers like HLJ allow depositless preorders and have holding and bulk shipping services available, I simply have one question in response to that statement.

Why are people still dealing with US online sellers for Japanese releases?

Some states in the US get charged import duty, so with shipping from Japan it ends up eroding any savings, so they just end up buying locally because it's only slightly more expensive.

The new GST laws are going to hurt us in the same way. That 20% discount from HLJ is going to get eaten up pretty quickly once the GST and shipping gets added.

[FruitBuyer]

It's not just Roadrage though. The rerelease of Ultra Magnus has been going for as low as ¥12,000 on clearance.

A re-release can't be compared with the initial run.

[bowspearer]

A re-release can't be compared with the initial run.

In terms of this discussion, I'd argue it can. What causes reissues to sell at a lower rate are supply and demand issues. With reissues, what you're typically talking about is something that was out at a reasonable price, sold out due to demand, which was large enough to warrant the reissue. Then demand dries up, which causes the price to lower, to increase demand to drive sales.

In this case, what you're talking about is an initial run, but one which is at a significantly prohibitive price, which significantly reduces demand, which kills off sales. To combat this, the figures in the initial run have their price lowered, to drive up demand, to drive sales.

In short, while it may not appear like it, the supply and demand issues on the remnants of reissues, parallel those of significantly overpriced initial runs of figures.

[FruitBuyer]

That's a very simplified view. Character importance is incredibly important as well; MP-10 has been reissued a million times by both Hasbro and Takara and constantly sells because he's popular. BW Megatron clearly isn't on his level however he is also an incredibly popular character, arguably more so than Ultra Magnus.

Will Megatron lose sales because of his price? Yes, obviously. But to say that he'll shelf-warm? Are you a prophet or something to make a statement like that? There are a ridiculous amount of people in his fandom with more money than sense (especially the Japanese) that will barely flinch at the price.

So what I'll say is that there is some similarities but it's not parallel.

[Trent]

i saw the price at bbts...i couldn't believe it! then i came here and now i'm shocked to the core!

So if u want 1, it's going to cost:
35,000 - 20% = 28000
+ GST = 30800
shipping = ~lets say 3000 yen cos he's big = 33800
exchange rate = lets say we're at 80 yen mastercard rate = 422.5!!!
$422.50 for a transformer! No diecast!
This is more than chogokin/macross/hot toys pricing!?

I can see dinobot is back in stock at hlj...preorder cancel in response to megatron price reveal?

I'll probably preorder and CANCEL if it doesn't sell out

HLJ have had Dinobot back up for preorder for a few months now. Long before Megs was announced.

[bowspearer]

Will Megatron lose sales because of his price? Yes, obviously. But to say that he'll shelf-warm? Are you a prophet or something to make a statement like that? There are a ridiculous amount of people in his fandom with more money than sense (especially the Japanese) that will barely flinch at the price.

Yes and no. $400 is starting to take you into the territory of the Imaginarium Art statues. Those aren't anywhere near as mainstream as the Masterpiece line are and really, that's essentially where the "more money that sense" category lies, which I'm guilty of having been in. With Dinobot I was borderline but the complexity was enough to talk myself into it, with the rationale that surely because BW Megatron lacked complexity, that it would be lower in price. Instead it is even more expensive.

To put this in context, it is a good 1.5x the price of the higher end of the Soul of Chogokin Line, it is significantly more than the Diaclone 2.0 line and it is way higher than any Masterpiece figure to date.

The figure is popular, but put a price high enough and it is enough to give even the most "shut up and take my money"- minded fan pause. I don't see this doing that well precisely because the price is so high that it is in price shock territory.

Certainly I could be wrong, but I don't think my read on things is that off. The crowd that can treat this as a drop in the bucket are simply too small to support this run and when it fails to sell, it'll be forced to go on sale. Even BW Dinobot now has cancellations on HLJ and I'm saying this as someone who still has their preorder up.

I'm saying this as one of the "more money than sense" fans you're trying to cite to kill off the argument of one such fan. Heck, I've bought MISB and MIB preTFs and $700 prototypes, to put my spending habits in context.

From that perspective, as one of the very fans you attempt to invoke in your argument, this price is a want-killer.


So what I'll say is that there is some similarities but it's not parallel.

As one of the very fans you attempt to invoke to back up your argument, I completely disagree with you here.

[bowspearer]

HLJ have had Dinobot back up for preorder for a few months now. Long before Megs was announced.

They have, but I'm almost certain it was on Order Stop until quite recently.

[FruitBuyer]

You sound very condescending here, whether you intend it or not. Just because you're someone that spends a lot of money doesn't mean you speak for everyone with your bank account.

You have reasons for thinking it'll shelf-warm and I have my reasons for thinking it won't shelf-warm so lets just agree to disagree.

[drifand]

I think it may shelf warm a bit at that price but it will go when is cheaper.
But thats my opinion on it as BW is only targeting a specific fan based.

My view is that once it hits over 25,000jpy is where you reconsider the spend.

[graza78]

I reckon the price point is borderline crazy on this, and can't justify the cost for a parts forming simple design. It really does seem like Takara is taking us for a ride, expecially compared to the quality 3P releases we have been seeing for similar price or cheaper (Dx9/FT omega, TW constructor ect).

[griffin]

HLJ have had Dinobot back up for preorder for a few months now. Long before Megs was announced.


It's been "order stop" the last few times I've checked the site... as I was hoping that they would be stuck with a lot of stock and discount it when it is released.

[Trent]

They have, but I'm almost certain it was on Order Stop until quite recently.

No, it was open for preorder. I know because I preordered one only a week or two before Megs was announced.

[bowspearer]

You sound very condescending here, whether you intend it or not. Just because you're someone that spends a lot of money doesn't mean you speak for everyone with your bank account.

You have reasons for thinking it'll shelf-warm and I have my reasons for thinking it won't shelf-warm so lets just agree to disagree.

You don't get to claim "let's [respectfully] agree to disagree here", when in a case of the pot calling the kettle black here accuse me of being condescending. I never said I spoke for everyone who had a wallet; I said that this is going to be a bridge to far in terms of cost for many of the people who would normally have jumped at this, as someone who arguably has typically fallen into the "fans with more money than sense" category.

I said it from the perspective of someone who has thought nothing of shelling out hundreds of dollars on actions figures, spent close to $1500 in one hit buying a lot of MISB and MIB MASK figures a few years back, has shelled out hundreds of dollars a hit on boxed G1 and pre-Tf figures and who resolved the dilemma of whether to open my Diaclone 2.0, Legends and Masterpiece figures (where I own almost all of them since MP-10), by buying one to keep sealed and one to open.

If I step back and take an objective look at my collecting, I think it's pretty safe to say that I fall under the category of "more money than sense".

Yet your response was essentially to accuse me of specious reasoning, by invoking the very group of fans that I'm a textbook example of, which is in and of itself, highly patronising and condescending.

Yet when that predictably blows up in your face, you have the gall to accuse me of being condescending?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

[bowspearer]

No, it was open for preorder. I know because I preordered one only a week or two before Megs was announced.

That might have been when it went off order stop, because as Griffin has also noted:


It's been "order stop" the last few times I've checked the site... as I was hoping that they would be stuck with a lot of stock and discount it when it is released.

[FruitBuyer]

You're really taking this personally. If you think I'm being patronising or condescending then that's on you for interpreting it that way because I sure as hell didn't mean it as an insult. Either way I'm done. I agree to disagree, end of story.

[Trent]

That might have been when it went off order stop, because as Griffin has also noted:

That is what I said:


HLJ have had Dinobot back up for preorder for a few months now. Long before Megs was announced.

I dropped my original preorder but later regretted it. I was checking back hoping it would reopen and it did. Before Megatron was announced.

[Paulbot]

I have MP Dinobot on preorder at HLJ. I'm 99% sure I don't want it and am very likely going to cancel it.

[bowspearer]

You're really taking this personally. If you think I'm being patronising or condescending then that's on you for interpreting it that way because I sure as hell didn't mean it as an insult. Either way I'm done. I agree to disagree, end of story.

You accuse me of taking this personal, yet you were the one to actively make it personal and I find your double standards here somewhat quaint.

After all, you said:


You sound very condescending here, whether you intend it or not. Just because you're someone that spends a lot of money doesn't mean you speak for everyone with your bank account.

This was in response to me saying:


Certainly I could be wrong, but I don't think my read on things is that off. The crowd that can treat this as a drop in the bucket are simply too small to support this run and when it fails to sell, it'll be forced to go on sale. Even BW Dinobot now has cancellations on HLJ and I'm saying this as someone who still has their preorder up.

I'm saying this as one of the "more money than sense" fans you're trying to cite to kill off the argument of one such fan. Heck, I've bought MISB and MIB preTFs and $700 prototypes, to put my spending habits in context.

You would have actually seen that if you weren't so busy seeing what you wanted to see, being passive aggressive and engaging in veiled ad hominems.

Imagine if I behaved the way you did.

Imagine if I wanted to look for excuses to take it personally. I could have cried victim right from your first response to me here, and accused you of being condescending and patronising from the moment you used the "fans with more money than sense" group of fans, which my purchase history and buying habits would lump me into, to claim that I had no idea what I was talking where those fans were concerned. After all, if you want to talk about being condescending and making assumptions, using a fan demographic to tell a member of that demographic that they don't know what they're talking about where said group (and by extension myself) is concerned, is very patronising and condescending.

Yet I didn't play that card when I very easily could have.

I simply pointed out that I was speaking from the perspective of the very group of fans you were attempting to cite.

Yet for doing so, you were the one to make this personal by passive-aggressively accusing me of being condescending whilst claiming to want to respectfully disagree.

Like I said, you can't cry foul about someone taking something personally, when you make it personal.

[bowspearer]

That is what I said:

I caught what you said, however I'm sure I saw it on order stop as recently as a few weeks ago rather than months ago.