WFC Siege Omega Supreme, Jetfire, Mirage, Impactor

[Jellico]

https://comicbook.com/gear/amp/2019/02/06/transformers-war-for-cybertron-toy-fair-figures-hasbro/

New pictures.

Looks like Jetfire is the commander and looks awesome.

Omega is not bad either. Base mode is a bit meh.


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SIEGE TITAN OMEGA SUPREME
Releases: August 1st
Retail Price: $159.99
Ages 8 & up
“This colossal 2-foot scale Titan Class WFC-S29 OMEGA SUPREME figure features a G1-inspired design and converts to AUTOBOT Command Center mode, made up of a tank, rocket, control tower, and defense perimeter. The included MICROMASTER, AUTOBOT COUNTDOWN, fits inside rocket, tank, and control tower, and can ride along the defense perimeter. Includes 6 Fire Blasts accessories to simulate battle effects on figure and Command Center mode. Build the ultimate battlefield with Siege figures. Siege plunges fans into the epic fight to survive on the final day of the AUTOBOT and DECEPTICON battle to control CYBERTRON. As the AUTOBOT counter-resistance takes on the DECEPTICON resistance army, the unyielding AUTOBOT army captain and city defender, OMEGA SUPREME, lies in wait — the AUTOBOTS last line of defense. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available on HasbroPulse.com and other major retailers.”


SIEGE DELUXE IMPACTOR
Releases: October 1st
Retail Price: $19.99
Ages 8 & up
“Winner of 2018 Fan Vote, the WFC-S42 AUTOBOT IMPACTOR figure stands at 5.5 inches in robot mode and converts into a CYBERTRONIAN vehicle and comes with 2 weapon accessories: the HP Energon Mineblaster and Trilithium Drill. Figure features multiple C.O.M.B.A.T. System weapon ports to attach weapons, enabling custom configurations in bot and vehicle modes. Build the ultimate battlefield with Siege figures. Siege plunges fans into the epic fight to survive on the final day of the AUTOBOT and DECEPTICON battle to control CYBERTRON. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available on HasbroPulse.com and other major retailers.”


SIEGE COMMANDER JETFIRE
Releases: August 1st
Retail Price: $79.99
Ages 8 & up
“The WFC-S28 JETFIRE figure stands at 11 inches in robot mode and converts into a Cybertronian aircraft. JETFIRE figure comes with 2 JF-25 HS Photon Missile Sky Launchers, 2 HS Photon Missiles, 2 JF-15 HP Jetboost Particle Beam Cannon, 2 SF-M2 Radiograph Boosters, Skyshield Aerial Armor, and Skyshield Battle Mask accessories. Use weapon and armor accessories to convert figure to C.O.M.B.A.T. READY mode. Figure features multiple C.O.M.B.A.T. System weapon ports to attach weapons, enabling custom configurations in bot and vehicle modes. JETFIRE has a special feature where Deluxe figures’ (each sold separately, subject to availability) attach to jet mode so fans can imagine them being deployed into battle from above. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available on HasbroPulse.com and other major retailers.”


SIEGE DELUXE MIRAGE
Releases: October 1st
Retail Price: $19.99
Ages 8 & up
“Winner of 2018 Fan Vote, the WFC-S43 AUTOBOT MIRAGE figure stands at 5.5 inches in robot mode and converts into a CYBERTRONIAN vehicle and comes with 3 weapon accessories: the C-20 Electro-Disruptor Cannon, Distortion Missile, and the W-15 Armor-Piercing Rocket-Dart Launcher. Figure features multiple C.O.M.B.A.T. System weapon ports to attach weapons, enabling custom configurations in bot and vehicle modes. Build the ultimate battlefield with Siege figures. Siege plunges fans into the epic fight to survive on the final day of the AUTOBOT and DECEPTICON battle to control CYBERTRON. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available on HasbroPulse.com and other major retailers.”

[Paulbot]

Weird that Jetfire is described as a Decepticon figure in the article when there’s an Autobot logo on his chest. And it’s totally Skyfire anyway.

[Shirokaze]

I'm really digging Omega. Love that went a slightly different path to the expected tracks on the floor. Mirage looks like a lot of fun to me too.

[1AZRAEL1]

They are really nailing the cartoon aesthetics with these. I love my classics for being the character with updated looks, but damn if these don't look beautifully G1

[DELTAprime]

I would put my "shut up and take my money" gif here, but I can't find it.:p

[TaZZerath]

That Jetfire. By Primus he looks awesome. Such a creative way to get both cartoon AND toy accuracy!

[Handsprime]

I’m a massive jetfire fan, so I’m definitely picking him up

[Gofigure]

Jetfire (skyfire) is a beautiful thing to look at. I may cry.

Omega will be same size as metroplex/fort max? If so so keen

[BigTransformerTrev]

Omega will be same size as metroplex/fort max? If so so keen

Well he will be Titan class so probably. I don't mind if he comes to maybe just their shoulders, like Predaking, since Omega is supposed to be a bit smaller. I'm friggin loving him! He looks great! :D

I'm loving all these figures. Best CHUG Mirage so far, the Impactor is way better than the Timelines one which in itself was pretty good, Jetfire is fairly good too. I'll be picking them all up. :)

[Bidoofdude]

Omega Supreme looks great in both modes.

I really love my T30 Jetfire, but they have to suck me in again with a cartoon accurate jet mode. God damn.

[GoktimusPrime]

I really love my T30 Jetfire, but they have to suck me in again with a cartoon accurate jet mode. God damn.
I look forward to getting Siege Jetfire, but I'll still keep my Classics and Generations Jetfires too as they are all nice toys in different ways. I'll have a squadron!

I'll be offloading my YOTS Omega Supreme though. Can't justify keeping both.

[SharkyMcShark]

I dunno about these.

Mirage looks pretty poor. Lazy engineering for the back end and a fake chest. No thanks. Quite disappointed. It doesn't look better in any way that the 13 year old Classics figure.

Jetfire looks good, for those interested. I'm keen to see what HasTak do with a price point between Leader and Supreme/Titan. I'll be closely watching what the ends up retailing for here. That said, I've never been a fan of the Skyfire look - give me that sweet, sleek, Macross fighter vibe. Skyfire's alt mode will always just look like a block with wings to me.

[Bidoofdude]

I look forward to getting Siege Jetfire, but I'll still keep my Classics and Generations Jetfires too as they are all nice toys in different ways. I'll have a squadron!

I'll be offloading my YOTS Omega Supreme though. Can't justify keeping both.

I love my YOTS Omega too but this new one just blows it away. I could keep it with my FOC stuff, but space is a premium.

[Sinnertwin]

Impactor and Mirage? Oh, yeah, there was a vote last year.
Omega looks good, as does Skyfire. Is that supposed to be Cybertronian for Gitanes on Mirages legs? And what is the C.O.M.B.A.T system? I could google it I suppose, but eh.

[CoRDS]

oh man that jetfire i want it so bad.

id get the omega but have no where for it to go

[kovert]

After all the 3P versions of Jet(Sky)fire and Omega Supreme recently, we finally have updated official products. The items shown look like computer generated images. Looking forward to photos of the actual products.

[philby]

Hot damn Omega and Jetfire look great. Doesn't seem like there would be a waist swivel on Jetfire with that nose cone which would be a bummer though

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

I've gotta pay, that Omega Supreme and that Skyfire look pretty good. Plus I'd really like a Countdown. Buuut...I've already got versions for both that I'm happy with, and Omega Supreme won't scale with my G1 Encore citybots.:(

Interested to see what the Impactor remold will be. I'm hoping for a CHUG Armada-style Demolishor myself.

[SharkyMcShark]

Impactor and Mirage? Oh, yeah, there was a vote last year.
Omega looks good, as does Skyfire. Is that supposed to be Cybertronian for Gitanes on Mirages legs? And what is the C.O.M.B.A.T system? I could google it I suppose, but eh.

I think it's their term for the power up armour that the Leader class figures get?

[Lord_Zed]

They look ok, but I'd rather they finish of G1 with the Autobot Targemasters and Powermasters rather than remake the year one and two Autobots again.


They are really nailing the cartoon aesthetics with these. I love my classics for being the character with updated looks, but damn if these don't look beautifully G1

I agree with your sentiments on the Classics, but I'm not sure about the swing to full G1 aesthetics, to me they feel like poor mans Masterpiece. I;m starting to miss them giving unique spins on old characters.

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, I'm not entirely sold on Mirage, but I'll throw my money at the rest!

I could keep it with my FOC stuff, but space is a premium.
YOTS is additionally made obsolete to me because I own Energon Omega Supreme.

[1AZRAEL1]

I agree with your sentiments on the Classics, but I'm not sure about the swing to full G1 aesthetics, to me they feel like poor mans Masterpiece. I;m starting to miss them giving unique spins on old characters.

I never looked at it that way. Of characters I don't already have updated versions of, I'll likely grab em. I do love the spins on classic characters. That's why I'll never sell them off. I have multiple displays so happy to spread em out. Kept mt Magnus with FP upgrade, and have the last Magnus they released. Happy to keep them all.

But now I'm waiting on what Con reveals we'll have. They're all Autobots, so where is their case mates and any TMs or MMs? I am curiously waiting who they show us next.

[DELTAprime]

Keep in mind with Mirage that this series is using Cybertronian alt-modes. So you can explain some of the odd design of Mirage by saying it's not a real-world Earth Formula 1 car, it's Cybertronian.

I'll probably get him just to have a bit more cartoon accurate silhouette for Mirage as my Henkei Mirage while an amazing toy, doesn't have that classic silhouette from G1.

[griffin]

It's about time Hasbro did a cartoon/comic Skyfire... instead of trying to always replicate the more obscure original Jetfire (Macross) toy, pathetically targeting the trademark of another company, at the expense of fans waiting 35 years for a toy that actually homages the Skyfire character.
As such, I'm really liking the way it looks, and hope that the armour on top of the jet mode is detachable, as it spoils the look of the jet mode. I'm puzzled as to why it isn't a regular Leader class toy (about US$50, compared to this one being US$80), as it looks like it has the same armour-up gimmick as the Leaders do. The new Class name is going to be confusing, as "Commander class" used to be about Legends size.

Omega Supreme and Impactor look really good too... can't wait to get them.

[dirge]

Skyfire looks amazing. Omega Supreme looks amazing.

[DELTAprime]

It's about time Hasbro did a cartoon/comic Skyfire... instead of trying to always replicate the more obscure original Jetfire (Macross) toy, pathetically targeting the trademark of another company, at the expense of fans waiting 35 years for a toy that actually homages the Skyfire character.
As such, I'm really liking the way it looks, and hope that the armour on top of the jet mode is detachable, as it spoils the look of the jet mode. I'm puzzled as to why it isn't a regular Leader class toy (about US$50, compared to this one being US$80), as it looks like it has the same armour-up gimmick as the Leaders do. The new Class name is going to be confusing, as "Commander class" used to be about Legends size.

Omega Supreme and Impactor look really good too... can't wait to get them.

I think I'll have my LG Jetfire and SWFC Skyfire as a duo on my shelf. From my point of view, I've often felt like Skyfire and Jetfire are two different characters.

[Dan]

Well this is exciting. :)

I'm impressed by the look of both Skyfire (I'm just using that name) and Omega in particular.

Skyfire looks awesome in the various modes (my favourite since the Classics version) and I'm interested in this gimmick of transporting a car-bot into battle. I've always felt that is something toys of this character should do, although I'd rather see him have space in his upper cabin for a scout or two.

Omega looks great and, despite the slavish G1 robot mode, the base mode has been given an original twist. I like how it looks more like a play set than a train set and there's something a bit Thunderbirds about it. And, once more, I'm wondering how much he can act as a transport for smaller allies.

I have a question - what is the deal with Mirage and Impactor? I'm a non-comics fan so I'm ignorant of the Wreckers. However I understand Impactor is one and that makes him an Autobot. And yet this fan poll thing presents Impactor and Mirage as rivals. What gives?

[Paulbot]

I have a question - what is the deal with Mirage and Impactor? I'm a non-comics fan so I'm ignorant of the Wreckers. However I understand Impactor is one and that makes him an Autobot. And yet this fan poll thing presents Impactor and Mirage as rivals. What gives?

At one point they hinted they were going to release this Impactor as a Decepticon (as the other pair ups were bot vs con) but it looks like they’ve changed that now. The two characters have no history together in any comics. If they are “rivals” now it’s because one is “working class” (Impactor) and the other is “upper class elite” (Mirage)

[TaZZerath]

As a Micromaster fan the inclusion of Countdown and having Omega as his “rocket base” is an ingenious solution. I just have no room for him :(

[BigTransformerTrev]

I'll be offloading my YOTS Omega Supreme though. Can't justify keeping both.


I love my YOTS Omega too but this new one just blows it away. I could keep it with my FOC stuff, but space is a premium.

I dunno, up to you guys of course. Personally I'll be getting the new Omega but keeping my YOTS one. Like I say in my video (video-my-150-generations-autobots), the YOTS version scales perfectly with a lot of the Generations toys, being bigger than the standard CW/UW gestalts but only half the height of the City Bots figures. This new Omega will scale well with CW Devestator and a lot of the deluxe sized figures but a lot of others he wont. So guess it depends on what kind of display you want to make.

[Sinnertwin]

I think it's their term for the power up armour that the Leader class figures get?

The acronym is doing my head in. Knowing Hasbro, it's probably something like Cheesy Omelettes Make Brunch A Treat

[Galvatran]

The acronym is doing my head in. Knowing Hasbro, it's probably something like Cheesy Omelettes Make Brunch A Treat
Plausible... but I'm pretty sure it's Come Over My Base And Tango.

[Dan]

If they are “rivals” now it’s because one is “working class” (Impactor) and the other is “upper class elite” (Mirage)

Cue the theme music to the Odd Couple...

[GoktimusPrime]

I dunno, up to you guys of course. Personally I'll be getting the new Omega but keeping my YOTS one. Like I say in my video (video-my-150-generations-autobots), the YOTS version scales perfectly with a lot of the Generations toys, being bigger than the standard CW/UW gestalts but only half the height of the City Bots figures. This new Omega will scale well with CW Devestator and a lot of the deluxe sized figures but a lot of others he wont. So guess it depends on what kind of display you want to make.
I'm still keeping my Energon Omega Supreme, so if I ever miss the mould I can always repurpose that. :)
Also... space. I just don't have the shelf space to keep both, so one's gotta go

[reillyd]

My wish for a Micromaster Countdown has been cursed, because instead of a white micromaster rocket launch base, it comes as a micromaster for Mega Supreme. Damn you Hasbro!

[Jellico]

Wait for the Takara Guardian repaint. Omega can lend him the red Countdown 😉

[FatalityPitt]

I like Impactor, he looks pretty badass :)

It's not often that we see a purple Autobot. There's also something about his alt-mode that reminds me of Straxus (or Darkmount) from the 2010 Generations line.

[bowspearer]

Much like how Generations Arcee was a 20 year old fan design, I don't think the base tooling of Jetfire is an original or even new tooling on the figure.

Unfortunately, to my knowledge this has disappeared off the net, so I have no way of producing the pics to verify it, but I recall over 20 years ago, seeing photos of customs that came out of what I thought was Botcon Japan, and that Jetfire looks incredibly close to how I remember a fan scratchbuilt Jetfire (which came complete with a custom Transformers Generation 2 box) looking.

Not sure if anyone else here knows the figure I'm talking about.

Not trying to bring a downer on it at all, because the designers nailed it. I'm just wondering if this is a repeat of the whole Generations Arcee situation with some minor modifications - where a fan's work was so good that Hasbro made it official a couple of decades down the track.

[Paulbot]

I remember the figure you’re talking about and may have saved images if I look in my archive. But it’s ultra obscure. There’s likely only a few ways to make a screen accurate transforming Skyfire so similarities are likely but coincidental.

[Dan]

I like Impactor, he looks pretty badass :)

It's not often that we see a purple Autobot.

This is one of several things I find striking about Titans Return Alpha Trion. Such a strangely cool toy.

[kurdt_the_goat]

I'm just wondering if this is a repeat of the whole Generations Arcee situation with some minor modifications - where a fan's work was so good that Hasbro made it official a couple of decades down the track.

In Arcee's case, Takara just hired the fan and he was the one who eventually updated his own design for the official release. It'd be pretty cool if the same thing had happened again!

[Jellico]

Jumping out on a limb, the flat panel where the arm joins the body reminds me of a similar panel on the Thrilling 30 Jetfire. Just the way it doesn't flow into the body suggesting it might shift in transformation. Likewise the hips look similar, though that is sort of expected.

[DELTAprime]

Jumping out on a limb, the flat panel where the arm joins the body reminds me of a similar panel on the Thrilling 30 Jetfire. Just the way it doesn't flow into the body suggesting it might shift in transformation. Likewise the hips look similar, though that is sort of expected.

Don't fix what ain't broken.:p

[GoktimusPrime]

I like Impactor, he looks pretty bad(donkey) :)
I would seriously consider buying a Zombie variant. ;)

[griffin]

Jetfire on display at the Japanese Wonder Festival (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/09/new-siege-reveals-at-wonder-festival-jetfire-star-convoy-armada-prime-and-more-382433)...
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[bowspearer]

Even if Jetfire costs $160, it's still way better value than the $90 Leader class figures.

[High_Q]

SkyJetfire looks amazing in both modes. This will be the definitive G1 animation Skyfire since we won't ever get an MP of the character.


In Arcee's case, Takara just hired the fan and he was the one who eventually updated his own design for the official release. It'd be pretty cool if the same thing had happened again!

:eek: I had no idea. This is a nice story. (I assume you guys are referring to LG10 Thrilling 30 Arcee).

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Aww, dammit...I really like Classics JetSkyFire, but this one might just get me to upgrade him...
That scaling and design looks really impressive.

[Jellico]

Don't fix what ain't broken.:p

Well... I can see what the arms are doing now. 😀

[High_Q]

I don't spot any weathering and battle damage effect on Siege Jetfire in either mode on the samples on display. Please, let the final product look like this...

(urrgh, I just checked the earlier official images, and they show him with weathering effect. :( An otherwise perfect Jetfire, ruined.)

[TaZZerath]

My Primus, the size on that Jetfire is epic! What a towering giant compared to the others. I'm really impressed they scaled him this way!

[neomoz]

As a Micromaster fan the inclusion of Countdown and having Omega as his “rocket base” is an ingenious solution. I just have no room for him :(
As amazing as he looks, I'm in the same boat, just don't have the room for a titan class figure in my TF space, I instead opted for the MFT Omega Supreme, which is a lot more manageable to display in existing book cases.

Skyfire is an instant purchase for me and I need a Mirage in my collection too.

[Bladestorm]

I need that Omega.. and that Jetfire...

[BigTransformerTrev]

I need that Omega.. and that Jetfire...


My Primus, the size on that Jetfire is epic! What a towering giant compared to the others. I'm really impressed they scaled him this way!


I didn't realise how big Jetfire is going to be - he is going to be massive!

Makes you realise how much we need a leader-class Broadside and Sky Lynx. I liked the figures that each of them got in recent years, but was disappointed with the scale. Both characters are way too big to be Voyagers.

[DELTAprime]

Jetfire and Weaponiser Brunt are available for preorder at HLJ. But at $211 including GST for Jetfire, I think I'll wait to see where else Jetfire shows up.

[Sinnertwin]

RK has Jetfire listed for $155USD.

[kovert]

The weak AUD (A$1 = approx ¥78 - not factoring in fees - as of today) is affecting the price of goods directly imported from Japan. It started to weaken in January 2018. GST has also added to the cost of imports.

At USD$79.99, one would expect Siege Jetfire to cost between A$119.99 and A$149.99 at a retail outlet in Australia.

[bowspearer]

The weak AUD (A$1 = approx ¥78 - not factoring in fees - as of today) is affecting the price of goods directly imported from Japan.

Garbage - this is Takara blatantly ripping their customers off!!!!

Hasbro have a RRP of $79.99 on Siege Jetfire; Takara have a RRP of $170.22USD - 112% more than the RRP Hasbro have it for!


Stop making excuses for Takara shamelessly ripping their customers off!

[Sinnertwin]

I'm thinking that Big W etc may have one of these big boys as their big toy for this years Toy Sale/Event.

[bowspearer]

I'm thinking that Big W etc may have one of these big boys as their big toy for this years Toy Sale/Event.

Imagine if it comes in at $120 before any discounts they might have during the sale.

[kovert]

Garbage - this is Takara blatantly ripping their customers off!!!!

Hasbro have a RRP of $79.99 on Siege Jetfire; Takara have a RRP of $170.22USD - 112% more than the RRP Hasbro have it for!


Stop making excuses for Takara shamelessly ripping their customers off!

I actually agree with your comment that Takara appears to be charging a lot more than the converted US retail price. What is untrue is the notion that I am somehow making excuses for Takara charging excessive prices. Who wants to pay more?

The comment I made in relation to the AUD being weak against the JPY was in response to DELTAprime's message about Jetfire being $211 including GST from HLJ. I normally look at HLJ's site as a reference for import prices because it has the cleanest design. I look at AUD, not USD. Other sites could be even cheaper but aren't as well designed in my opinion.

Here are my conversions:

* Current exchange rate: AU$1 = ¥78 (round down to ¥76 due to HLJ conversion fees) $189 + GST
* Jan 2018 highest exchange rate: $AU = ¥88 (round down to ¥86 due to HLJ conversion fees) $167 no GST

The $167 was fairly close to the projected local maximum RRP of $149.99 so I thought nothing of it.

To be honest, Japanese retail price to USD conversion didn't even register until I checked the JPY to USD conversion now on HLJ. Even the forum post above by Sinnertwin about the Robot Kingdom (RK) USD price didn't register with me because I rarely look at RK and USD.

[bowspearer]

Kovert, I completely agree that the AUD has taken a hit and anything bought from Japan is thereby going to cost 8/7 more than when the exchange rate was higher - to say nothing of the extra 10% we're now paying in GST as of mid last year.

My issue is the excuses people keep making for TakaraTomy of late, because no one wants to admit the horrible truth.

Honestly, I get it. I was only saying to Tober this afternoon that even a year ago, I could never imagine having the current opinion of TT which I currently hold, much less there being the evidence to back it up, and if I'm honest, I despise the fact that things have reached that point. But as that turn of phrase floating around of late notes, facts don't care about feelings.

The danger signs were there as of the + releases for both Megs 2.0 and Shockwave, yet we kept making excuses. First it was the limited run of TT Mall exclusives with those two. Then it was mould reuse with Dinobot and BW Megs. Then it was the tech jump with MP-44. Yet now, forgetting about Bumblebee v2.0 costing more than Sunstreaker and only slightly less than Cordon, we have a clear example with Jetfire of comparing apples with apples, laying the cold hard truth bare for us all to see.

At this point, the evidnece is there and we need to stop making excuses for TakaraTomy in a good faith towards them whoch clearly hasn't been returned in kind.

The only question is how long it will before people are honest with themselves and admit that the excuses are just that and that all they do is enable this appalling show of bad faith by TakaraTomy by fans who have shown them incredible loyalty for over a decade.

[reillyd]

Umm, is Jetfire a Decepticon now? Because seibertron has TT pictures that show a purple Decepticon logo (up his extra battle armour has red autobot). Painting mistake, or is there a logo swap feature I missed hearing about?

[DarkHyren]

Umm, is Jetfire a Decepticon now? Because seibertron has TT pictures that show a purple Decepticon logoIt's a reference to Skyfire's first appearance in G1, on being woken from stasis he joined the Decepticons but when he realized they weren't fighting for a noble cause he switched sides and became an Autobot.
Painting mistake, or is there a logo swap feature I missed hearing about?Possibly it will be like Combiner Wars Megatron, he came with a sticker sheet with two Decepticon and Autobot insignias so you could choose which faction he belonged to.
While a flippable or replaceable panel would be a nice addition (and the toy does seem to have an outline that indicates the possibility, so maybe?) it's just as likely to be choice of stickers.

[BigTransformerTrev]

It's a reference to Skyfire's first appearance in G1, on being woken from stasis he joined the Decepticons but when he realized they weren't fighting for a noble cause he switched sides and became an Autobot.


Yeah, in fact if I am remembering S1 correctly, you see him standing there with a big Decepticon symbol on his chest while standing guard in the Arctic.

He was a Decepticon briefly in both Dreamwave and IDW too.


Possibly it will be like Combiner Wars Megatron, he came with a sticker sheet with two Decepticon and Autobot insignias so you could choose which faction he belonged to.
While a flippable or replaceable panel would be a nice addition (and the toy does seem to have an outline that indicates the possibility, so maybe?) it's just as likely to be choice of stickers.

I'm really hopeful for a flip panel rather than stickers so it gives you multiple play/display options, rather than locking you in to one faction.

[GoktimusPrime]

Umm, is Jetfire a Decepticon now? Because seibertron has TT pictures that show a purple Decepticon logo (up his extra battle armour has red autobot). Painting mistake, or is there a logo swap feature I missed hearing about?
As DarkHyren said, reference to the G1 cartoon origins. But it's also a reference to the G1 comic book origin where Jetfire also started off as a Decepticon. Although he was constructed on Earth and was initially a lifeless drone.

I suspect it's a flippable logo à la TM2 Blackarachnia, ROTF Wheelie, MP Bumblebee etc.

[Sinnertwin]

I may leave him as a Decepticon.
I won't support a faction that leaves their comrade buried in ice until they need a plane ride.

[reillyd]

Seibertron has live pictures of Omega Supreme (https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/siege-omega-supreme-photographed-on-ny-toy-fair-2019-showfloor/42936/) that look even better than the ones we've seen previously, as it shows them to scale with micromaster toys. And the angle they've taken over the rocket mode base makes the rocket look HUGE!

[Sinnertwin]

I suspect it's a flippable logo à la TM2 Blackarachnia, ROTF Wheelie, MP Bumblebee etc.

Flippable panel L-R. Nice touch for them to include it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=28&v=mf4Whhjj-Lg&fbclid=IwAR269clROIUbIiYwdugxVLwofNarhIL3Gx21w4Br3 RbwFezFGLEWPa-1r7Q)

[FatalityPitt]

Some pics from a Toy Fair in New York via Seibertron: https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/toy-fair-new-york-2019-transformers-war-for-cybertron-siege-photos-tfny-hasbrotoyfair/42944/

Impactor, Jetfire, Omega Supreme and Springer look freaking amazing!

I could see Red Alert in the background in some of the photos, but they don't seem to focus on him much. Wish they did though, since I decided I'll get him instead of Sideswipe. They showed Impactor but no Mirage. Disappointing but hopefully we'll soon see how Mirage looks.

[Omega Metro]

All up for preorder at BBTS if interested.

[bowspearer]

Anyone else getting the feeling that Warden took an approach to Skyfire that when you strip away the COMBAT gimmick, it's essentially a scaled down and stripped down Masterpiece figure?

It's not just things like the flappable insignia, it's things like the movable hands with retractable weapon port and spring loaded doors hiding robot kibble.

It feels like a love letter to fans and I can't wait to get one in my hot little hands.

[reillyd]

Anyone else getting the feeling that Warden took an approach to Skyfire that when you strip away the COMBAT gimmick, it's essentially a scaled down and stripped down Masterpiece figure?

That's what I was thinking when watching the video. It's not evident in the still pictures, but the hands and the springloaded doors feel like a masterpiece design. I had resisted the temptation to buy a third party masterpiece scale, and so glad that I did. Jetfire will be one of those toys I buy online with courier shipping, just to have him in my hands :) No stress or worries about whether we will see it at retail, or chasing him in empty stores

[bowspearer]

That's what I was thinking when watching the video. It's not evident in the still pictures, but the hands and the springloaded doors feel like a masterpiece design. I had resisted the temptation to buy a third party masterpiece scale, and so glad that I did. Jetfire will be one of those toys I buy online with courier shipping, just to have him in my hands :) No stress or worries about whether we will see it at retail, or chasing him in empty stores

I'm not sure that will be necessary - I think we'll see it out here at $120RRP-$150 max.

[FatalityPitt]

Anyone else getting the feeling that Warden took an approach to Skyfire that when you strip away the COMBAT gimmick, it's essentially a scaled down and stripped down Masterpiece figure?

It's not just things like the flappable insignia, it's things like the movable hands with retractable weapon port and spring loaded doors hiding robot kibble.

I think it's a bit more than a Masterpiece. Whenever I see it, I think to myself "it's got everything. It's the only Jetfire a fan would ever need". It's cartoon accurate but you can achieve the 1985 toy-accurate look by slapping on the armour/accessories (not like some Takara Masterpieces where they release the toy accurate version first, then later release the cartoon accurate version as a separate toy that's more expensive than the initial release). It's got some cool Easter eggs like the flipping Decepticon symbol. The scale is right when placed next to other figures. I like it.

Besides Jetfire, Smashdown looks pretty interesting. I don't think we've had an Autobot Minotaur before, unless anyone knows of one?

[bowspearer]

I think it's a bit more than a Masterpiece. Whenever I see it, I think to myself "it's got everything. It's the only Jetfire a fan would ever need".

Not quite; I think it's about half the size it needs to be to be in MP scale. That aside, it's without a doubt the definitive Skyfire figure to date.

[GoktimusPrime]

Besides Jetfire, Smashdown looks pretty interesting. I don't think we've had an Autobot Minotaur before, unless anyone knows of one?
Not unless you count Longhorn. :p Nah, but you're right, this is a first.
Now if only they'd do a chicken and bus!

[G1Optimal]

Video with john warden at toy fair 2019 about Omega Supreme and Jetfire
https://tformers.com/toy-fair-2019-john-warden-shows-off-omega-supreme-and-jetfire/34777/news.html
From Source:TFormers.com who posted from unicron.com
(Scroll down for video)

[BigTransformerTrev]

I didn't realise how big Jetfire is going to be - he is going to be massive!

Makes you realise how much we need a leader-class Broadside and Sky Lynx. I liked the figures that each of them got in recent years, but was disappointed with the scale. Both characters are way too big to be Voyagers.

Sorry - Commander class - since apparently they’ve created a whole new class just for Jetfire :D

[DarkHyren]

Not quite; I think it's about half the size it needs to be to be in MP scale. That aside, it's without a doubt the definitive Skyfire figure to date.If we go by the size of FT Phoenix (14 inches tall) Siege Jetfire (who I've read is about 11 inches tall) is 3-4 inches short of being the right height to be a MP Skyfire.
However some people say Phoenix is a little too tall so for them the Siege toy might be just the bot to serve as a stand in on their MP shelf.

[Dan]

Video with john warden at toy fair 2019 about Omega Supreme and Jetfire
https://tformers.com/toy-fair-2019-john-warden-shows-off-omega-supreme-and-jetfire/34777/news.html
From Source:TFormers.com who posted from unicron.com
(Scroll down for video)

They mention that if you are 'ambitious' and get multiple copies of Omega Supreme you can then build larger, more complex tracks. This instantly made me think there has to be a Guardian Robot re-deco in future! :)

[philby]

Maybe someone will do 3d printing of extra tracks down the line

[BigTransformerTrev]

They mention that if you are 'ambitious' and get multiple copies of Omega Supreme you can then build larger, more complex tracks. This instantly made me think there has to be a Guardian Robot re-deco in future! :)

Yeah I wish I had bought a few Omega Sentinels back when Energon toys were on the shelves, but as it was I had to layby and slowly pay off just Omega back then :o

Someone would have to have a fair few extra bucks up their sleeve to buy a few extra of this figure given what the price tag is/will be. But it would be quite cool.

[UltraMarginal]

Maybe someone will do 3d printing of extra tracks down the line

This should be very achievable, and once a cross section and connector design is formalised, all sorts of track shapes should be possible. perhaps I need to reacquaint myself with my shapeways account.

[Sinnertwin]

It's a novel idea, but without straight tracks it'd just look like □)(□□)(□ etc

[DELTAprime]

Pictures of Impactor and Galaxy Convoy from Takara Tomy.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takaratomy-stock-photos-of-wfc-siege-sg36-deluxe-impactor-and-sg37-leader-galaxy-upgrade-optimus/43405/

That alt mode for Impactor seems like it's been done before...

[Lint]

not a fan of sadface Impactor

[Soundwarp]

They nailed Onega and Jetfire

[Bidoofdude]

Impactor looks very G1-cartoonish, kind of like his comic design. It would blend in well with the Prowl-mould Barricade and that Sunbow Drift from Springer.

[griffin]

More images from the upcoming wave (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/06/05/new-images-of-war-for-cybertron-siege-jetfire-springer-brunt-refraktor-and-red-alert-389294) of Siege toys, and some transformation videos from the Hasbro website (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/06/04/war-for-cybertron-siege-springer-refraktor-brunt-red-alert-galaxy-optimus-prime-official-transformation-videos-389260).

[philby]

Jetfire is starting to show up online overseas. Has there been any official word on when this could be available locally and in which shops?

[Krayt]

Jetfire is starting to show up online overseas. Has there been any official word on when this could be available locally and in which shops?

The US release has been pushed back.... word is he failed the drop test

[griffin]

The US release has been pushed back.... word is he failed the drop test

Omega Supreme was delayed, but it looks like Jetfire is now out at some online stores.

[reillyd]

The US release has been pushed back.... word is he failed the drop test

Oh no! You mean I can't drop my expensive $150 dollar toy with long snap-able guns from a height and expect it not to break? Shock!

This is why we can't have nice things, and why they should be sold as 'adult collectables' and not 'children's toys'

[GoktimusPrime]

Target's item code for Siege Jetfire is 62774321


This is why we can't have nice things, and why they should be sold as 'adult collectables' and not 'children's toys'
Hasbro USA has always been reluctant in doing this. Takara reissued G1 toys with original sized missiles and full strength launchers but made them basically MA15+ collectibles. Same with Binaltech, MPs etc. But Hasbro US prefers to not exclude the kid market, which is why they do things like neuter launchers, lengthen missiles, shorten smoke stacks etc. :rolleyes:

Thankfully Hasbro AP never did that with the Japanese MPs that we had imported here; they slapped on English "Ages 15+" stickers instead. But I suppose Generations is meant to be a family friendly line. <shrugs>

[Sinnertwin]

Nice. If I get a chance tomorrow or over the weekend, I'll see if I can get a team member to run Jetfire's code through their systems and find out when they're due in store (or an ETA). I erroneously assumed that they'd be available for their current toy sale

[DELTAprime]

I erroneously assumed that they'd be available for their current toy sale

Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't show up at the toy sale.

[griffin]

More official images of Omega Supreme (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/07/09/takara-tomy-war-for-cybertron-siege-sg-39-omega-supreme-new-stock-images-390953), from it's Japanese listings, to be released in December (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/07/09/new-takara-tomy-releases-for-november-december-2019-siege-mirage-and-omega-supreme-studio-series-rampage-scrapmetal-reissues-390950) for 25,000yen (about AU$340).

[BigTransformerTrev]

So anyone know what is happening with Jetfire? I thought he hit the Hasbro warehouses here ages ago and was going to be turning up at Target - yet I've not heard of anyone seeing one. Is it still happening or am I better to start looking at importation?

[philby]

I saw Jetfire yesterday in Minotaur which is in Melbourne CBD. I ordered it last week from Mighty Ape.

[Jellico]

OhMyPrimus has mine in stock, but he is waiting for a lift with Omega.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Target's item code for Siege Jetfire is 62774321


I was going to email Target about this and quote the code, but it seems all their 'contact us' info is either headquarters phone numbers or telling you to contact your local store. From the issues I've had on the phone in the past when ringing Target's about Transformers, I'm not putting myself through that rigmarole again :rolleyes:

[ampoldj]

I'm planning to get one from OhMyPrimus. Are they the cheapest atm including postage?

[Tha_Phantom]

Update: Target will not be stocking Siege Jetifre, based on information in their systems. Previously the code for Jetfire came up with the message "coming soon" now it says "item unavailable."

Source: Target employee.

[Jellico]

I'm planning to get one from OhMyPrimus. Are they the cheapest atm including postage?

Depends upon what the dollar does. Omega is $210S Which is about $215AU. Delivery is about $55.

Previous Titans have been about $300AU. $240 with a 20% sale if you can get one. OTOH $330 is quite possible this time around.

So YMMV.

[Sinnertwin]

I'm planning to get one from OhMyPrimus. Are they the cheapest atm including postage?

Amazon probably

https://www.amazon.com.au/Transformers-Generations-Cybertron-WFC-S29-Supreme/dp/B07JN6VVMT/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=omega+supreme&qid=1564554643&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Trial their free Prime membership, get Omega and then cancel it.

[griffin]

Hasbro held a fan event in Singapore recently (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/08/28/hasbro-singapore-transformers-fans-toy-preview-event-omega-supreme-in-hand-images-and-more-395513), similar to what we had in Australia a couple of years ago, showing off some upcoming toys, including the next Titan, Omega Supreme.

[Tilarta]

Weird that Jetfire is described as a Decepticon figure in the article when there’s an Autobot logo on his chest. And it’s totally Skyfire anyway.

The logo flips around, he can be either.
But I assumed that was a reference to the fact that Jetfire was a Decepticon who switched sides and became an Autobot.

The name is what irks me most, whatever Hasbro may claim, this is not Jetfire, he is Skyfire.
The size differential is far too great for him to be Jetfire.

This Skyfire toy is like the size of a Combiner.

Unfortunately, this has shaken my confidence in the company, this is the third time I've run into problems with a random scale mismatching and it had an effect on a decision I was trying to make regarding Siege Omega Supreme.
I was undecided if I should buy Siege Omega, I was conflicted between buy your favorite Autobot giant (positive) and he's Titan scale (negative).
After seeing Skyfire and holding him in my hands, I reluctantly made the decision not to buy Siege Omega, because I really can't afford to spend that money on a toy I am not 100% satisfied with.
They'd have to mark him down to something like 100 AUD to motivate me to buy Siege Omega, since I know (from my perspective) I'm buying a product that is not suited to my purposes (displaying and posing in my Combiner collection with Volcanicus, Victorion, G1 Predaking and maybe the Hasbro exclusive Pihranacon set if I can get one-they're not cheap!).

[DELTAprime]

The logo flips around, he can be either.
But I assumed that was a reference to the fact that Jetfire was a Decepticon who switched sides and became an Autobot.

The name is what irks me most, whatever Hasbro may claim, this is not Jetfire, he is Skyfire.
The size differential is far too great for him to be Jetfire:
https://i.imgur.com/jqzFkuDl.jpg

That's my Siege Skyfire standing next to my Titans Returns Grimlock.
I wouldn't have minded if he was a little taller then Grimlock, but twice as tall is too much!
Also, keep in mind my Grimlock is using the 3rd party mod kit which slightly increases his height.
This Skyfire toy is like the size of a Combiner.

Unfortunately, this has shaken my confidence in the company, this is the third time I've run into problems with a random scale mismatching and it had an effect on a decision I was trying to make regarding Siege Omega Supreme.
I was undecided if I should buy Siege Omega, I was conflicted between buy your favorite Autobot giant (positive) and he's Titan scale (negative).
After seeing Skyfire and holding him in my hands, I reluctantly made the decision not to buy Siege Omega, because I really can't afford to spend that money on a toy I am not 100% satisfied with.
They'd have to mark him down to something like 100 AUD to motivate me to buy Siege Omega, since I know (from my perspective) I'm buying a product that is not suited to my purposes (displaying and posing in my Combiner collection with Volcanicus, Victorion, G1 Predaking and maybe the Hasbro exclusive Pihranacon set if I can get one-they're not cheap!).

Scale has never been a strong suit of the Transformers brand. If you are so concerned with scale that it has "shaken your confidence" in Hasbro then you might want to rethink collecting Transformers. Nothing is scaled to be accurate to the cartoons, not that the cartoons are accurate. I remember one episode where Megatron was almost as tall as Devastator and in the next shot he was only as tall as Devastator's foot. The Masterpiece line does the best job of replicating scale from the cartoons, but it's still inaccurate and CHUG only cares about size classes, not cartoon scale.

[Sinnertwin]

I mean, if we're talking about scale, you've got Megatron, a human sized handgun that transforms into a robot bigger than an F15
At this point, I have to ask, are you genuinely concerned or just takin' the mickey out of us?

[Tilarta]

Actually, for a while I gave up collecting Transformers because the sizes were just too inconsistent.
But then they appeared to be correcting that error:
https://i.imgur.com/Sqt4mdpl.jpg
There's seven seperate design groups here and the scale is consistent.
In any case, I don't care about cartoon scale, it's the toy scale that's relevant to me (as shown above).
Which is why I rejected Siege Skyfire, I wanted a comic accurate Jetfire who should been at the largest end of this range and wasn't.

Regarding Omega Supreme, this is what I consider to be his accurate size:
https://i.imgur.com/xMa515fl.png
Slightly taller then a Combiner, but more or less the same size scale group.

The two previous cases that earned my disapproval were Combiner Wars Devastator and Power of the Primes Predaking, since they didn't adhere to the Combiner Wars scale established as a standard by Hasbro.
Why they chose to ignore their own design methodology is incomprehensible to me.
And Siege Omega Supreme is just compounding that error further.....

In any case, I'm the one who pays for the toys and if I'm not satisfied, then I'm not spending my money.



The G1 cartoon/comic had a mass-shifting technology, it was quite common for Transformers to shrink or enlarge when they transformed if their alternate mode was a small handheld item.
What I go by is the non-alt mech mode, since that's fairly consistent (as much as it can be).
And Megatron hasn't been a handgun for a very long time, he's now a tank.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Actually, for a while I gave up collecting Transformers because the sizes were just too inconsistent.
But then they appeared to be correcting that error:
In any case, I don't care about cartoon scale, it's the toy scale that's relevant to me
Which is why I rejected Siege Skyfire, I wanted a comic accurate Jetfire who should been at the largest end of this range and wasn't.

Depends on the comic. It was only in some Marvel comics that Jetfire was only a tad higher than the likes of Jazz. In DW and IDW he was significantly bigger like he was in the cartoon.
Have you thought about tracking down the old Classics Jetfire? He might be of a scale more to your liking.




Regarding Omega Supreme, this is what I consider to be his accurate size:
https://i.imgur.com/xMa515fl.png
Slightly taller then a Combiner, but more or less the same size scale group.
The two previous cases that earned my disapproval were Combiner Wars Devastator and Power of the Primes Predaking, since they didn't adhere to the Combiner Wars scale established as a standard by Hasbro.
Why they chose to ignore their own design methodology is incomprehensible to me.
And Siege Omega Supreme is just compounding that error further.....


But surely if you are that worried about your figures scaling accurately with each other, then the likes of Predaking, Devastator and the new Omega should please you. In most media your average bot comes up to a gestalts knee at best. Most deluxe figures come up to the knee of Devastator etc but come up the waist of the likes of CW Bruticus, Defensor etc etc. So scale wise most CW combiners are too small to scale accurately with most other toys.

Anyway, you can always have more than one toy of a character so it can scale for you. For me I like the fact that my YOTS Omega Supreme scales well with most CW/UW gestalts as well as the Titans like Metroplex. So I have them all together. The new Omega will scale well with the likes of CW Devastator, POTP Predaking and most of my deluxes so I will have them all displayed together.




The two previous cases that earned my disapproval were Combiner Wars Devastator and Power of the Primes Predaking, since they didn't adhere to the Combiner Wars scale established as a standard by Hasbro.
Why they chose to ignore their own design methodology is incomprehensible to me.


It’s really rather simple to comprehend – money and differentiation of the toyline. By putting a Titan-sized toy on the shelves it gave a different sized toy for the consumer to consider buying. Hasbro is a business after all. The more different sized figures there are on the shelves, the more likely there will be something to appeal to everyone and the more likely a sale will be made.

[Tilarta]

Actually, the largest figures in my collection are aroundabout the same height as a Combiner's knee joint:
https://i.imgur.com/yqqWmuLl.jpg
According to the internet, Shockwave and Windblade (shown here) are Deluxe class figures, so the statement about them being as tall as a Combiner's waist isn't consistent/comprehensible.

I think there are sizes above deluxe, but as there are only three largest figures (two of whom are Combiner cores) in my collection:
https://i.imgur.com/KRdFwyJl.png
I have no personal understanding of the other size classes in context/comparision to my existing collection.

By the way, Devastator is the same height as Victorion:
https://i.imgur.com/4k0Ialzl.png
At least, in the cartoon he is.

Hence why I've established the CW figures as the baseline, since they're adhering closest to the expected scale system.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Actually, the largest figures in my collection are aroundabout the same height as a Combiner's knee joint:
https://i.imgur.com/yqqWmuLl.jpg
According to the internet, Shockwave and Windblade (shown here) are Deluxe class figures, so the statement about them being as tall as a Combiner's waist isn't consistent/comprehensible.

I think there are sizes above deluxe, but as there are only three largest figures (two of whom are Combiner cores) in my collection:
https://i.imgur.com/KRdFwyJl.png
I have no personal understanding of the other size classes in context/comparision to my existing collection.


Yes, you seem to have trouble comprehending or understanding quite a bit. Let me see if I can help:

The Deluxe class has significantly decreased in size over the past several years. If you look at the deluxe size for the 10 years previous to that they were much bigger. A lot of people who have been collecting for years would have the majority of their CHUG collection in that bigger size. Hence my comment ‘most deluxes’.

And if your argument is that Shockwave is only as tall as a regular CW combiners knee... er... perhaps look at your own photo again. Shockwave is clearly taller. But that’s moot as neither of those toys you say the Internet says are Deluxe class actually are. Shockwave is a (very small) Leader class and that Windblade is a Warrior-class toy from the RID line.

Maybe take some time to do some proper research. Look at some other people’s collections to broaden your exponsure to what’s out there. May help you to understand and comprehend the toy brand as a whole a bit better. May even give you some faith in Hasbro again when you see just how many characters exist in multiple sizes.

Oh and if you still have a problem with Jetfire’s size, check out the list of G1 inspired Jetfire toys (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Jetfire_(G1)/toys) on offer. I’m sure you’ll find at least one at the size you want.

[Tilarta]

What the internet claimed was a Deluxe Class Transformer has a minimum height of 5.5 inches and a maximum height of 6 inches.
So after finding a measuring reel marked in inches (those wacky Americans and their non-metric conformity), I measured both of these toys to check against those specifications.
Shockwave is 6 inches, Windblade is 5.5 inches, hence why I classified them as Deluxe, despite whatever classification the packet uses.
What the original definition of Deluxe is, since I've never seen one, either via photos or personally, I am assuming they're from that timegap segment when I was not collecting.

I don't see the point in buying any of the currently available Titan class Omega Supremes, since, from casual observation, all three versions (counting Hasbro's Siege version and the two 3rd party ones) look identical to me.
If I wanted one (I don't), I buy the cheapest one and ignore the expensive ones.

I wonder, was there some kind of manufacturing problem that prevented Hasbro giving Jetfire and Omega Supreme authentic comic/cartoon appearances and keeping them small scale?
Or was it just a choice to sell outsized toys to appeal to that customer demographic?

I'm assuming Hasbro won't be releasing these toys again in a future product line, from what it appears, they only make one toy of a classic G1 character, then move on.
There's probably some exceptions though, I've seen a Scout class Warpath and one in the 5.5-6 scale.
So (from my perspective), there probably won't be a second chance to get the Omega Supreme and Jetfire toys I want.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I'm not looking for a Jetfire anymore, as near as I can tell, the only properly designed ones are just Skyfire using Jetfire's name.
I've already got Siege Skyfire, there's no point in getting a second similarly scaled toy that is almost identical.....
The same rule applies to Omega Supreme apparently, from casual observation, all three versions (counting Hasbro's Siege version and the two 3rd party ones) look identical to me.

I'm assuming Hasbro won't be releasing these toys again in a future product line, from what it appears, they only make one toy of a classic G1 character, then move on.
There's probably some exceptions though, I've seen a Scout class Warpath and one in the 5.5-6 scale.
So (from my perspective), there probably won't be a second chance to get the Omega Supreme and Jetfire toys I want.

You do know Jetfire and Skyfire are the same character right? He was just called Skyfire in the cartoon due to trademark issues with the toy. There is only one Skyfire toy that isn't Jetfire and that is a small Decepticon one from RID(01).

Na, depending on the character they make tons of toys of G1 characters. I've got multiple G1-styled toys of Jazz, Starscream, Red Alert, Jetfire, Optimus, Megatron, Soundwave, Shockwave, Onslaught, Silverbolt, Bumblebee, Kickback, Springer, Astrotrain, Nosecone, Chromia, Perceptor, Rumble.... the list goes on and on. If you don't like a particular rendition of a character just wait, chances are in a few years they will make a different toy of them.

If you are worried about the scale of the new Omega, I'd suggest tracking down a YOTS Omega Supreme. Whilst his altmode is not G1 accurate, he is probably at the scale you want - taller than the majority of CW gestalts but only about half the height of the Titans. You might find one cheap as many fans will be selling theirs off so they can make room for the upcoming Siege Omega. That's the YOTS version in the top right hand corner standing next to Victorion:

http://i63.tinypic.com/24nf8nr.jpg

Just a suggestion anyway.

[DELTAprime]

I'll be honest. It bugs me that my Blaster, Rodimus and Ultra Magnus tower over the rest of the toys in my CHUG collection that were standard-sized robots in G1. Whoever I don't let it ruin the fun of collecting.

[reillyd]

I mean, if we're talking about scale, you've got Megatron, a human sized handgun that transforms into a robot bigger than an F15
At this point, I have to ask, are you genuinely concerned or just takin' the mickey out of us?

No I think what you're all missing, and what will hopefully restore your enjoyment of the toys is that these are due to mass-shifting https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Size_changing
Think of it like Ant-Man/Giant-man if you read Marvel and if you're DC "The Atom".

Size is relative, and different interations of toys (e.g. legion, legends, deluxe, voyager, leader) will be at different mass-shift levels. You're really going to spoil your enjoyment of the toys if you think too deeply about it, or let it trouble you.

If its an issue of displaying him right, then you might need to consider posing your Jetfire/Skyfire with a different toy - Combiner Grimlock probably isn't the right toy to put next to him, and maybe Masterpiece would. Mix and match to suit your desires.

[Tilarta]

Skyfire is the small giant who stands around twice as tall as Optimus and Megatron.
Jetfire is the one who's only slightly taller then an average size Transformer.
That's the distinction I make between them, even if they have virtually the same backstory/personality.

I think I'm probably going to wait and see if they do an Omega better suited to the scale I have in mind.
I am aware of the YOTS Omega, but doesn't he require a 3rd party modkit to look G1 authentic? At least in mechanoid mode anyway.
I'm not sure if those are still available, from my personal experience, the 3rd party modkits seem to sell out fast and they don't make new ones to compensate for the demand.

As near as I can tell, MassShifting was written out a long time ago, now the size of the Transformer is usually defined by the size of their altmode, so if they're something smaller, they're more or less the same size when transformed/transforming.
Probably why BlastOff is a fighter jet now instead of a space shuttle.

My basic size list goes something like this:
Leader class (includes Combiner Cores).
Standard size (Combiner limbs and comparable figures).
Scout Class (Transformers downsized for infiltration purposes, like Slash and Rust Dust).
Micromasters (the tiny ones)
Minicons (smaller Transformers aroundabout humanoid scale) and Masters (who are humanoid scale)

[BigTransformerTrev]

Skyfire is the small giant who stands around twice as tall as Optimus and Megatron.
Jetfire is the one who's only slightly taller then an average size Transformer.
That's the distinction I make between them, even if they have virtually the same backstory/personality.

As near as I can tell, MassShifting was written out a long time ago, now the size of the Transformer is usually defined by the size of their altmode, so if they're something smaller, they're more or less the same size when transformed/transforming.
Probably why BlastOff is a fighter jet now instead of a space shuttle.

My basic size list goes something like this:
Leader class (includes Combiner Cores).
Standard size (Combiner limbs and comparable figures).
Scout Class (Transformers downsized for infiltration purposes, like Slash and Rust Dust).
Micromasters (the tiny ones)
Minicons (smaller Transformers aroundabout humanoid scale) and Masters (who are humanoid scale)

Wow.... OK... there is so much here I want to correct you on its painful :eek:

But that's the problem, I've been trying to give you helpful info but I'm afraid it's going to turn into me pedantically correcting you instead. That's gonna suck your enjoyment out this thread, which I don't wanna do, so I'm just gonna shut up. Believe what you like and enjoy the hobby :)

[Sinnertwin]

No I think what you're all missing, and what will hopefully restore your enjoyment of the toys is that these are due to mass-shifting https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Size_changing
Think of it like Ant-Man/Giant-man if you read Marvel and if you're DC "The Atom".

Size is relative, and different interations of toys (e.g. legion, legends, deluxe, voyager, leader) will be at different mass-shift levels. You're really going to spoil your enjoyment of the toys if you think too deeply about it, or let it trouble you.

If its an issue of displaying him right, then you might need to consider posing your Jetfire/Skyfire with a different toy - Combiner Grimlock probably isn't the right toy to put next to him, and maybe Masterpiece would. Mix and match to suit your desires.

Oh, I'm fine, I couldn't give two craps about scale or headcanon this or that.