Confused about Predaking and Volcanicus size differential (Power of the Primes)

[Tilarta]

Vinegar Protocol active.

[FruitBuyer]

It's called centre-piece figures. It's not that Predaking, Devastator or Omega Supreme are that much larger, it's because they're a large and visible marketing figures. Kids that aren't into Transformers will see them and may be interested because BIG ROBOTS is cool.

Just move on the scale thing, HasTak know it's not in scale and never had any intention of making them scale. Just like how movie Bumblebee has so many Leader class toys even though none of them scale.

[GoktimusPrime]

Also remember that bigger and dearer toys are:
* Manufactured in smaller numbers
* Harder/slower to sell

Being more popular characters, by keeping the Dinobots at a smaller price point it means that they can manufacture more of them and they are likely to sell better. Having the Dinobots sold separately also helps because it means that those of us who didn't want to double up on yet another CHUG Grimlock could easily skip it and go for the others. :) And yeah, there are some fans (like me) who couldn't care less about the Dinobots combining.

I think that Hasbro absolutely made the right choice here. And as Fruitbuyer said, it's more to do with Predaking being the flagship toy. It's the reason why Combiner Wars Devastator was much larger than say Bruticus.

[BigTransformerTrev]

And yeah, there are some fans (like me) who couldn't care less about the Dinobots combining.

+1



I think that Hasbro absolutely made the right choice here.

Given the size of the Dinobots in most fiction, from G1 to the Movieverse, and taking into account the different scales of the dinosaurs, I would have much preferred to have Snarl as Voyager class and Sludge as Leader class. I suppose Slug could have been a Voyager too, which works for the fictional representations but not the real life size of a Triceratops.

Of course this would have negated the combiner gimmick that was featured in the online cartoon. But as stated - this gimmick did nothing for me when applied to this subgroup anyway.

[Sinnertwin]

Scale is just a matter of perspective and squinting

[ChlorHex]

You might wanna consider 3rd party options instead if scale is your thing, Tilarta.
Just be prepared to fork out quite a bit of dough for them.

[FruitBuyer]

*Megas XLR theme song plays here* ;)

So, in order to attract casual sales and for the sake of having a display only toy, they're losing my sale and potentially the sale of other core Transformer fans who are looking for scale compatibility?

As far back as I can remember, the Predacons and the Dinobots have always been rivals, in the comic, animated show, Transformers Earth Wars and Power of the Primes machinma, they're always fighting in team based warfare.
So it is only natural to expect someone who has both sets to put them together and thus, an inconsistent scale format is a colossal mistake, especially when comparing their combined forms.

In this specific case, the solution is quite simple, all I have to do is get a G1 reissue set of Predaking instead, as I think their scale in combined form is close enough to what I want.
Currently exploring some trade/purchasing options towards that goal.


I'm not exactly a fan of third party options when it comes to Combiners, because in most of the cases I've seen, they're even worse then the official toys in being abnormally large.
My brain is already going into research data overload just trying to remember all the names and size comparisons.

In most cases, I can't even find a video or photo showing the third party products together with either Victorion/Torchbearers or Volcanicus/Dinobots, so I have to guesstimate.
FYI, those are the ones I use as my scale benchmark, since that's where my significant collecting started.

You greatly overestimate your worth, if this was was such a bad idea then it would have died after Devastator's release. Instead they've released Predaking and have Omega Supreme as well; hardly the actions of a decision that alienates their fans.

You need to accept that Hasbro does not cater to people like you 100%. You are part of their target audience but if they only catered to the hardcore then Transformers as a franchise would be considerably smaller than it is now.

[GoktimusPrime]

As far back as I can remember, the Predacons and the Dinobots have always been rivals, in the comic, animated show, Transformers Earth Wars and Power of the Primes machinma, they're always fighting in team based warfare.
:confused: I only recall two times when the Dinobots fought the Predacons during G1. Once in the G1 comics ("Grudge Match!", which really focused on Swoop and Divebomb being fierce rivals; the rest of the Dinobots/Predacons didn't really hold any deeply personal grudge against each other - at least no more so than any other enemy combatant). Then once again in the G1 cartoon episode, "Call of the Primitives." But of course, in that same episode the Predacons and Dinobots became allies against the common foe of Tornetron. The Dinobots have fought with the Constructicons more times than they've fought the Predacons.


You greatly overestimate your worth, if this was was such a bad idea then it would have died after Devastator's release. Instead they've released Predaking and have Omega Supreme as well; hardly the actions of a decision that alienates their fans.

You need to accept that Hasbro does not cater to people like you 100%. You are part of their target audience but if they only catered to the hardcore then Transformers as a franchise would be considerably smaller than it is now.
^Amen

And come on... when CHUG first started in 2006 we all would have absolutely frothed at the POTP Dinobots or Predacons, regardless of scale. Remember how excited we got with Energon/Super Link Superion, Bruticus and Devastator^Constructicon Maximus in 2004/05? Especially hunting down those final Constructicon limbs from overseas because they were never released here! Now look at your Energon/SL gestalts and compare them with CW/POTP. Yeah, there's just no comparison.

I should post a side-by-side comparison pics between my Energon Dinobots and POTP Dinobots (except Grimlock cos I obviously don't have him). Anyone wanna post a comparison pic of Energon Mega Dinobot with POTP Volcanicus? :)

[FruitBuyer]

I haven't got the comic in question, but from what I recall, Grimlock says something like "You make an enemy of one Dinobot, you make an enemy of all Dinobots".
Implying that the personal rivalry between Swoop and Divebomb became a team based rivalry for that reason.
And if that is so, they've been fighting with the Predacons for a very long time......

They've fought twice if I recall in comics. Second time was in a IDW series. Hardly a huge rivalry.


The cartoon for some reason suffered from toyline lag, so the Predacons were simply not there to match the Dinobots against.
I can only recall the Dinobots battling the Constructions once, in the movie, most of the time it was Omega Supreme sent out to fight them.

They've fought originally in the cartoon as well.


To be honest, I think the majority of businesses have been making unsound decisions because their management believes they are not held accountable to their customers or shareholders.
The most recent mistake was costing that corporation significant amounts of money just because of a misguided decision to maintain two divisions that were not turning a profit.
And their solution was to liquidate the one division that was profitable and much loved by their customers to keep the sinking ones afloat.

So I don't hold much faith in "company knows best" perspectives anymore.

If you go on the major Transformers forums like TFW2005 or Seibertron then you'll find the majority of fans love Devastator and Predaking. It is definitely a minority that cries about the scale.

You need to drop your "know all" attitude because truthfully, you do not know better than a multi-billion dollar business. You do not speak for every fan so stop thinking like everyone thinks like you.

[UltraMarginal]

You greatly overestimate your individual worth to Hasbro, if this was was such a bad idea then it would have died after Devastator's release. Instead they've released Predaking and have Omega Supreme as well; hardly the actions of a decision that alienates their fans.

You need to accept that Hasbro does not cater to people like you 100%. You are part of their target audience but if they only catered to the hardcore then Transformers as a franchise would be considerably smaller than it is now.

I helped. .

the Reissue Predacons are around and getting hold of a full set of them will probably be cheaper than chasing down original G1 examples in good condition.

Scale is an interesting thing in this franchise, it's kind of important when comparing vehicle modes, and I feel alt modes probably should reflect the size of the vehicle modes to some degree, but at the same time, if that was the case, the seekers would be some of the biggest bots of all amongst the regular cast. keep in mind also that there are massive amounts of scale problems in the shows and comics, G1 is obviously the worst culprit, even once showing bruticus standing in amongst the combaticons, shoulder to shoulder.
Try not to get too hung up on scale, you'll end up putting yourself in an asylum.

[GoktimusPrime]

I tried to give away a loose G1 Headstrong for free once. Nobody was interested and I think I had to coerce someone just to take it off my hands.

Ahh... the days when I literally could've give away a G1 Predacon.

P.S.: something else that I like about the reissues is that they're die-cast metal. The overwhelming majority of G1 Predacons are plastic, the die-cast versions are extremely rare and may sell for even more of a rip-off price than the plastic G1s. With reissues you're getting the die-cast versions at a much better price.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

2-3 reasons why the Dinobots and Predacons might often be fanon-paired up as rivals:

1) they're both animalistic subgroups without an equivalent 'conceptually opposite' enemy group, e.g. Aerialbots VS Stunticons, rescue/emergency-vehicle Protectobots VS war-machine (and space shuttle for some reason) Combaticons. Or the later high-tech/'smart' Technobots VS robotic monster/'brute force' Terrorcons.

2) the Predacons (or rather Predaking) were generally portrayed as bigger/stronger than the other combiner teams, largely (IMO) due to the G1 toy size.

3) The ad for the Predacons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsZeQ5kTRi4) pairs them up with/opposite to the Dinobots.

Going by the cartoon though, the Dinobots Nemesis character was more Devastator, whose main fictional Nemesis was in turn Omega Supreme, and the Predacons were generally portrayed as Rivals to Sky Lynx.

[KELPIE]

and the Predacons were generally portrayed as Rivals to Sky Lynx.

So much this.

Dev / Dinos or Omega
Menasor / Superion
Bruticus / Defensor
Abominus / Computron
Predaking / Sky Lynx
Piranacon / ???
Monstructor / ???

[UltraMarginal]

2) the Predacons (or rather Predaking) were generally portrayed as bigger/stronger than the other combiner teams, largely (IMO) due to the G1 toy size.


This is a very good point, the G1 predacons are massive compared to the scramble city combiners, perhaps this is in part where the modern size variation comes from.

[Sinnertwin]

Predaking is pretty much the last Western G1 combiner not to have a recent updated release.

As the others have alluded to, it's all about having a centerpiece titan class figure in their respective lines: Thrilling 30 Metroplex, Combiner Wars Devastator, Power of The Primes Predaking, Siege Omega Supreme. It's obviously a conscious marketing decision by Hasbro.

[ChlorHex]

But the "vinegar protocol" has been activated by the OP... how is this thread still alive? Lol :p

But in all seriousness, the scale thing can drive anyone nuts.
I'm happy to mix and match my bots (different lines, original plus 3rd party, etc.)

Love the combiner wars Devy but not a fan of Predaking... not so much due to size but the fact that the transformation and animal modes really sucked IMO.

But that's just me....

[Sinnertwin]

WTF is a vinegar protocol?

[UltraMarginal]

WTF is a vinegar protocol?

I have no idea...

[Sinnertwin]

I have no idea...

Vinegar is great for killing household germs. Perhaps that's what it's referencing?

[Defcon]

Hasbro could do a new series of Constructicons in deluxe size to match other combiners, they could do them yellow instead for something different.
Also yellow is more familiar to kids, and since most other toy trucks and dozers are that color it would be cool to have these.

Dinobots, i wish they were all voyagers. Just because I have always seen them as giants that should at least tower over the Autobot cars. Deluxe size does not make sense even though they are equivalent to the G1 toy size.

[Tilarta]

It's my codephrase used when a thread has been selected by an objectionable individual for the purposes of starting a flamewar to satisfy their own sense of personal superiority.
I call those people Vinegars because of their sour dispositions.

It comes from a metaphorical expression:
"You catch more bees with honey then vinegar".
What it means is that if you want to change someone's opinions, being friendly has a higher chance of success then being unpleasant, which has none.

Now that I've explained the reason, please let this thread end.

[Defcon]

lol seems like an ok idea for a thread, discussions can be healthy. We have a pretty good community here.

[DarkHyren]

this (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftoyroom.files.wordpress .com%2F2013%2F07%2Fsunbow_scale_preview.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tfw2005.com%2Fboards%2 Fthreads%2Fthe-definitive-sunbow-scale-chart.959918%2F&docid=HdfPUi3Pc4eNzM&tbnid=swR3EDmOPpHCCM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjYgPqZ7ozhAhUGeisKHV-mDccQMwhNKAAwAA..i&w=1200&h=836&bih=1076&biw=1150&q=g1%20transformers%20scale%20chart&ved=0ahUKEwjYgPqZ7ozhAhUGeisKHV-mDccQMwhNKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8)picture shows him as taller than the predaking and devastator, whos toys are bigger than the other combiners, sadly the same scale chart doesn't show the other combiners.
This is a very good point, the G1 predacons are massive compared to the scramble city combiners, perhaps this is in part where the modern size variation comes from.I'm not so sure about that actually, a chap over on TFW went through a bunch of of old G1 cartoon scale charts as well as a few other things and compiled a more comprehensive scale chart then the old sunbow one. Link here (clicky) (https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/complete-g1-and-japanese-scale-charts-are-done.1158232/)
If we go by that, Predaking and Devastator are about the same size as other combiners, so the Titan Combiner toys are too big compared to the rest of the CW/PotP combiners. At least going by G1 cartoon scale.
Other media likely portrays Predaking/Devastator as larger, but since Tilarta wants G1 cartoon scale that's what's most relevant for this discussion.

Technically the other CW/PotP combiner toys are also smaller then they should be (compared to the chart) due to the components needing to make a robot larger then the sum of the parts.
But the only way to fix that would be to make the individual team members larger then they actually were in the show, thus throwing scale out the window again.

In addition to all that Tilarta needs to ignore the Volcanicus combiner completely since the G1 cartoon Dinobots don't combine and focus on the fact that the individual team members should have been voyagers at the least.
Ain't mass shifting fun? This is why scale can be a headache to even think about.

More discussion can be found HERE (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=608034#post608034) due to the fact that I talk about 3rd party figures.

[GoktimusPrime]

You wanna talk about grossly undersized gestalts, look at Monstructor! :D
Check out this screen cap (https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/9/92/Starsaber_vs_dinoking.jpg) from the G1 cartoon where Dinoking is fighting Star Sabre and he's bigger than Star Sabre! Whereas the Dinoking toy would be barely up to Star Sabre's knee or thigh! :cool:

I don't think that Volcanicus is small it's just that Predaking is massive. But Monstructor and Dinoking are tiny even by G1 standards! :)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/Photocomic%20Monstructor/photocomic_monstructor12.jpg

[griffin]

The topic will remain open while it discusses the relationship of the characters of the title and combiners in general (or other closely related elements).
Targeting members with negative suggestions, and unsupported generalisations should be avoided.

[BigTransformerTrev]

So much this.

Dev / Dinos or Omega
Menasor / Superion
Bruticus / Defensor
Abominus / Computron
Predaking / Sky Lynx
Piranacon / ???
Monstructor / ???

It’s funny, I always think of ‘Defensor vs Bruticus’ being a thing too, but I can only think of 3 times they squared off against each other and only one was really an actual fight:

1. G1 cartoon - Defensor blows up Bruticus with a single shot. You don’t even get to see them on screen at the same time - not really a fight.
2. Marvel Comic - the two gestalts combine but don’t actually fight as they decide to disassemble and fight in virtual reality as individual bots instead. Not really Defensor vs Bruticus
3. Marvel Comic - they actually have a fight!

They may have fought each other in the Japanese G1 cartoon, I don’t remember the episodes that well.

I think I’ve seen Defensor have proper fights with Devestator more, they had decent punch-ups in DW and IDW

[Raider]

It’s funny, I always think of ‘Defensor vs Bruticus’ being a thing too, but I can only think of 3 times they squared off against each other and only one was really an actual fight:

1. G1 cartoon - Defensor blows up Bruticus with a single shot. You don’t even get to see them on screen at the same time - not really a fight.
2. Marvel Comic - the two gestalts combine but don’t actually fight as they decide to disassemble and fight in virtual reality as individual bots instead. Not really Defensor vs Bruticus
3. Marvel Comic - they actually have a fight!

They may have fought each other in the Japanese G1 cartoon, I don’t remember the episodes that well.

I think I’ve seen Defensor have proper fights with Devestator more, they had decent punch-ups in DW and IDW

I'm sure I can remember at least one time that the two of them went toe to toe in a fight in the g1 cartoon. Will have to see if I can figure out what ep.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I'm sure I can remember at least one time that the two of them went toe to toe in a fight in the g1 cartoon. Will have to see if I can figure out what ep.

There were a few episodes that they were both in but not squaring off against each other I think, like The Ultimate Weapon in S3. But yeah, if there was one where they did as you said yell out as I’m buggered if I can remember one

[GoktimusPrime]

Bruticus and Guardian (Defensor) had the following encounters in Japanese G1:

* FSRLT※ manga #5 (1986): Defensor fights Bruticus in a Japanese baseball stadium

* Scramble City OVA: Defensor appears and stares down Bruticus and... uh... not much else. They don't actually fight. Bruticus and Menasor are defeated by Metroplex. Defensor just points at Bruticus. Robot points.

* The Story of FSRLT※ manga, issue #5: Defensor, Superion and Omega Supreme battle Bruticus, Menasor and Devastator. The Autobots are all defeated by Predaking. Predaking is eventually defeated by the Omnibots. Robot Points!

* The Headmasters episode 3 (Birth of the Fantastic Double Optimus Prime): Defensor fights Bruticus in the distant future year of 2011.

* The Headmasters episodes 9 & 10 (Cybertron in Imminent Danger, Parts 1 & 2): Defensor fights Bruticus on Cybertron. While this fight happened over two episodes it was the one fight (so it counts as one if we're counting encounters).

* The Headmasters episode 34 (The Final Showdown on Earth, Part 1): Defensor fights Bruticus in Canberra, ACT. Defensor is defeated.

That's 6 times that Defensor encountered Bruticus in Japanese G1, 5 of which they actually fought. While he did encounter and fight Bruticus the most, he wasn't his sole nemesis as he also did fight Devastator, Menasor and Predaking.

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※Fight! Super Robot Lifeforms Transformers (戦え！超ロボット生命体トランスフォーマー)
P.S.: Yes, yes, I am aware that the Omnibots (Double Changers) weren't mail away exclusives in Japan. It was a joke. :p

[M-bot]

Bruticus and Guardian (Defensor) had the following encounters in Japanese G1:

>snip<

* Scramble City OVA: Defensor appears and stares down Bruticus and... uh... not much else. They don't actually fight. Bruticus and Menasor are defeated by Metroplex. Defensor just points at Bruticus. Robot points.

>snip<

...that’s ‘cos that’s all he needed to do. #DefensorRules #Anystatementtothecontraryisherebyinoperative :p;)

[Paulbot]

I had the Protectobots and Stunticons when I was a kid so I always consider them to the rival teams even though fiction never backed that up.

To me it made sense that these two teams were the regular vehicles (except Drag Strip) that you'd see on the streets. While the Aerialbots and Combaticons were the military vehicles (except Silverbolt) that you'd see in war not when you popped into town.

[Raider]

I had the Protectobots and Stunticons when I was a kid so I always consider them to the rival teams even though fiction never backed that up.

To me it made sense that these two teams were the regular vehicles (except Drag Strip) that you'd see on the streets. While the Aerialbots and Combaticons were the military vehicles (except Silverbolt) that you'd see in war not when you popped into town.

It is funny how we look at things as a kid. I had Superion and Menasor alwasy fighting - only two combiners I had. I always had them as rivals as the Aerialbots were the only real flying team among a bunch of cars, and the Stunticons were the only real cars among a bunch of flyers - they filled opposing roles for their teams.

[griffin]

The Aerialbots and Stunticons were the first two "Scramble City" combiners to be introduced in the cartoon and comic and faced off each other a few times to "advertise" the new 5-bot combiner gimmick... which is probably why some people like me think that Defensor and Bruticus were rivals, even though they were rarely on screen together (and the Protectobots were the team used the least in both the original cartoon and comic).

[Krayt]

The whole episode of B.O.T only occurred due to the epic fight between Defensor and Bruticus *sniggers*

The match ups are also kinda supported by the commercials... if you extrapolate a little...

Aerialbots vs stunticons

Defensor vs Trypticon
Bruticus vs Metroplex
Abominus vs Fort Max
Computron vs Scorponok

And to link it back to the origin of this thread....

PREDCONS VS DINOBOTS!!!

[BigTransformerTrev]

While the Aerialbots and Combaticons were the military vehicles (except Silverbolt) that you'd see in war not when you popped into town.

I can’t remember the name of the ep from S2 but there was one set in the Middle East with the Combaticons vs the Aerialbots and I quite liked it for that exact reason. There was one scene where the Aerialbots are strafing and the ground vehicle Combaticons are shooting into the air. Felt like a proper ‘robots in disguise’ battle - military vehicles from either side fighting it out rather than giant robots everyone would notice.

Of course later the flying purple animal fortress with tentacle hair kinda ruined the effect :p

It’s why I always thought there should have been more military vehicles on either side. The ludicrousness of other modes for battle got pointed out rather well in IDWs Devestation when one of the humans pointed out ‘Is that a space shuttle fighting a police car?!’ (Prowl vs Astrotrain) :rolleyes:

[Jellico]

I put it down to release dates.

Devastator and the Dinobots were released at approximately the same time so ended up as "rivals" in S1 and the Movie. Omega was around for S2 so got the job as a more logical combiner counter.

This set the tone for later with the Scramble City bots being staggered. Stunticons and Aerialbots at about the same time and explicitly thematically rivals. Bruticus was on his own in S2 but Defensor fits the rival pattern in the mind of an 8 year old when he showed up in S3. The rest writes itself.

[Sinnertwin]

Defensor's the combiner you send on coffee runs. I mostly remember him just standing there like a lummox and pointing.

[GoktimusPrime]

You know the whole thing about certain characters having arch nemeses is often a marketing thing anyway. What more often happened in reality was that we just lumped whichever Goodie with whichever Baddie because it's a case of whatever toy was available to us, and often we'd go beyond the confines of pre-established canon and allow toys from different brands crossover. If we want to include a dinosaur that eats force field dogs for breakfast then that's exactly what we did. ;)

Come on... how many of us put Decepticon Cassettes into Blaster's chest in 1985 because Autobot Cassettes didn't even exist? I know I did.

[KELPIE]

Abominus vs Fort Max

Fort Max doesn't stand a chance! Abominus is best there is.


Come on... how many of us put Decepticon Cassettes into Blaster's chest in 1985 because Autobot Cassettes didn't even exist? I know I did.

Nope, never ever!

Sacrilege for even thinking it. Please give me all your cassettes as punishment to your poor guardianship.

[GoktimusPrime]

Nope, never ever!

Sacrilege for even thinking it. Please give me all your cassettes as punishment to your poor guardianship.
So you never ever used Blaster's chest gimmick in 1985? :confused: :eek:
P.S. I'll need your postal address

[Dan]

This combiner topic is practically a 'personal rivalries' discussion now. I cannot resist making a few comments of my own, with a focus on G1 toys and rivalries I'd have liked to see.

- As a kid, looking at the 1985 catalogue, it struck me that Decepticon Triple-Changers and Autobot Jumpstarters should be rivals. Similar sizes, two each side, and gimmicks both based on transformation. Of course, a year later Autobot Triple-Changes and Decepticon Battlechargers complicated matters.

- I would have loved to see Shockwave and Ultra Magnus square off against one another (and they might have in comics, but I'm not a reader of those). Both big toys, both loyal deputies, both generally calm and collected. It might have happened if cartoons had depicted events leading up to the movie.

- Once more considering size, it would have been cool to have Galvratron take on Powermaster Optimus Prime, maybe even have the mad Decepticon leader re-issued with a Nebulon gimmick of his own.

[GoktimusPrime]

- Once more considering size, it would have been cool to have Galvratron take on Powermaster Optimus Prime, maybe even have the mad Decepticon leader re-issued with a Nebulon gimmick of his own.
*cough* Time Wars *cough*

[Dan]

I'm really at a disadvantage not having read the comics. :o

[GoktimusPrime]

I'm really at a disadvantage not having read the comics. :o
Reprints (https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Time-Wars-Graphic-Novels/dp/1840236477) are your friends. :)

[FruitBuyer]

- I would have loved to see Shockwave and Ultra Magnus square off against one another (and they might have in comics, but I'm not a reader of those). Both big toys, both loyal deputies, both generally calm and collected. It might have happened if cartoons had depicted events leading up to the movie.

They fight in Transformers Prime. In the comics, the main one that comes to mind is when OP and Magnus team up against a powered up Shockwave in the Dreamwave series. There are probably other instances as well.

[BigTransformerTrev]

They fight in Transformers Prime. In the comics, the main one that comes to mind is when OP and Magnus team up against a powered up Shockwave in the Dreamwave series. There are probably other instances as well.

Yup, Magnus works for Shockwave but then Magnus gets uppity so Shockwave shoots him. Then Magnus comes back and even with one arm lays a fair punch on Shockwave.

You know, the usual workplace issues :p

[KELPIE]

So you never ever used Blaster's chest gimmick in 1985? :confused: :eek:
You're assuming I got him in 85. I don't remember ever having him without his tapes. Maybe I got them all in 86?


- I would have loved to see Shockwave and Ultra Magnus square off against one another (and they might have in comics, but I'm not a reader of those). Both big toys, both loyal deputies, both generally calm and collected.

Shockwave loyal... snicker. ;):D:p

[GoktimusPrime]

You're assuming I got him in 85. I don't remember ever having him without his tapes. Maybe I got them all in 86?
If you bought the Autobot cassettes in the same year, then yeah, it must've been 1986. :) Blaster was available in both years but the Autobot Cassettes were only first made available in 1986, so none of us had them in '85 and had to make do with the Decepticon Cassettes.
https://i.ibb.co/fNbb11y/temp.jpg
It's also why Blaster appears without any Cassettes in Season 2 of the G1 cartoon, but we see the Cassettes appear in TFTM and Season 3.