GEN Apeface, Astrotrain, Spinister and Crosshairs

[griffin]

A pre-SDCC reveal of official images for 4 Generations toys that we should see at the event next month - Apeface (Voyager), Astrotrain (Leader), Spinister (Deluxe) and Crosshairs (Deluxe).
Crosshairs uses the Ironhide mould but the others look to be new moulds.

Images from the Screenrant (https://screenrant.com/new-transformers-war-cybertron-figures/) website can also be seen here (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/06/26/war-for-cybertron-astrotrain-apeface-spinister-and-crosshairs-revealed-390354), including larger sized images than the ones mirrored here.
https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/06/26/war-for-cybertron-astrotrain-apeface-spinister-and-crosshairs-revealed-390354

These figures are said to be for December, so must be wave 5 (wave 3 had a release month of July but most have been released this month, while wave 4 is said to be for October - with waves 3 and 4 being so light, it might be a quiet second half of the year for some collectors).

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[BigTransformerTrev]

Crosshairs is a really good reuse of the Ironhide mould.

I'm loving Apeface - that looks very faithful to the original character/toy.

I'd heard rumors of Astrotrain, nice to see him looking somewhat like his G1 self in vehicle modes. I suppose its a bit like how they did updated alt-mode versions of Kup, Perceptor, Blurr etc, then a few years later did toys trying to look like their G1 incarnation.

Spinister looks good, although I'm pretty happy with my Timelines version.

[Sinnertwin]

I'd have preferred a Crosshairs from Kup, but I'll still be buying him.
Astrotrain looks the goods, but won't fit in size wise with the other two from TR.
Spinister is a bit meh, Apeface is a must.

[Tha_Phantom]

Apeface looks awesome! Appears to be a headmaster too like his G1 self.
Astrotrain trying to be Cybertronian/Earth at the same time lets him down, but still better than the Titans Return version.
Crosshairs I don't care for, but happy for those who want one.
Spinister is not a character or figure I ever cared for previously, but this looks really good.

So I'll be grabbing 3 out of the 4. Damn you Hasbro! :p

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Same for me re. Kup-into-Crosshairs, the Ironhide mold would have made a better Crankcase or one of these guys (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Dropkick_(G1)) IMO. Will probably pass unless I find one for really cheap.

Glad they're doing Astrotrain, though it's a pass for me personally. Probably same for Apeface, though I can see a really easy Snapdragon retool there.

Spinister is great, will definitely be picking him up. Especially if we're getting a Needlenose.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I'd have preferred a Crosshairs from Kup, but I'll still be buying him.



Same for me re. Kup-into-Crosshairs, the Ironhide mold would have made a better Crankcase.

I dunno, perhaps if there had been a bit of retooling. Kup's alt-mode is just so unique to and indicative of Kup that if they had redone it exactly the same it would simply look like Kup doing some cosplay to me. It's part of the reason I never picked up the G1 Orion figure (though I do have a nice painted version I won off Gok years ago I intend to pass onto my son).

But yeah, I agree that (if retooled) that the Kup mould would have been more appropriate than Siege Ironhide. Still pretty happy with their choice though and frankly simply happy they are finally starting to do some of the Autobot Targemaster characters - so far all we've had is Scoop.

[DELTAprime]

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[Jellico]

Astrotrain looks the goods, but won't fit in size wise with the other two from TR.


Maybe. Leader seems to be more a measure of parts count with Siege. The example of Shockwave and Ultra Magnus suggest that Astrotrain might fit very well.

[SharkyMcShark]

I'm very keen on that Apeface. I'll pick that up for sure.

Crosshairs I initially reflexively thought "pass" on, but then I saw a comment on TFW that suggested that perhaps TR Counterpunch would be repainted into Pointblank and Mirage could be retooled into Sureshot to give us the s4 Autobot target masters, so I'm somewhat interested.

Spinister is ruined by the completely unnecessary fake cockpit.

Astrotrain is a miss for me. I have no connection to the character or interest in either alt-mode.

[Paulbot]

Because he was depicted as a large bot in MTMTE/Lost Light I would have preferred Spinister to be Voyager sized. Does help our theory that all the fan vote options are coming regardless!

I?m glad now that we didn?t get Apeface in TR. Most of the Voyagers in the line were disappointing and here they?ve gone much more G1 style and it works really well.


Maybe. Leader seems to be more a measure of parts count with Siege. The example of Shockwave and Ultra Magnus suggest that Astrotrain might fit very well.

Was thinking the same. Plus there?s a few more years of WFC so plenty of time for a new Blitzwing and Octane. I do not regret skipping TR Astrotrain now one bit.

[KELPIE]

Wow - this is great compared to the boring first couple waves we're into the exciting stuff.

Drooling over Apeface, he looks so good. I'm really impressed. Surely we have to get Snapdragon now?

Not a fan of the locomotive mode on Astrotrain but overall happy with the figure. Glad I didn't get the TR version now. I thought they executed the Springer figure better though.

Spinister is fantastic. I don't think I could be happier with him.


Spinister is ruined by the completely unnecessary fake cockpit.

Nope, the fake cockpit is great. He has a cockpit on both feet, people complain about seams/transformation lines in alt modes, this way Hasbro fixes that and people still complain. Can't win.

I do understand that people feel that it's cheating but in my opinion if it looks good in both modes that's all that matters.

Crosshairs I was so looking forward to but I'm disappointed. I'll get him because I skipped the Ironhide and will skip the Ratchet however I'm really hoping that Pointblank and Sureshot get new moulds.

I can see pointblank as Counterpunch but would rather not. Cannot see Sureshot from Mirage. Maybe Slapdash from Mirage... hopefully new mould for Sureshot at least.

Will be getting all of this wave and doubles of some.

[Bidoofdude]

These guys look pretty good. Apeface looks awesome even as a non-fan, as does Crosshairs.

Astrotrain looks nice, but a bit weird. IRL pictures will probably give a better perspective.

[Dimi194]

Sad because I actually rather liked the TR Astrotrain, but glad to have a train mode that actually looks like a train!

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

Cybertronian steam locomotive, sure why not - I kind of love the silliness of what they're doing with these 'totally not Earth' altmodes. Astrotrain's a definite buy for me, the others no - they look fine so far as I'm any judge, but they don't fit into my back-in-the-80s plan. Now what I need to do is convince myself that just because I won't need to buy these ones doesn't automatically mean I can buy Omega Supreme, even though I'd already managed to talk myself out of it before.

[SMHFConvoy]

Sad because I actually rather liked the TR Astrotrain, but glad to have a train mode that actually looks like a train!

Same, I really like the tr version but I am confused as to why both vehicle modes are very close to earth modes if it's before astrotrain came to earth.

[griffin]

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I noticed that Spinister must have a second fake cockpit, as he has one on each foot... a bit like Studio Series Grimlock having a second fake dino head so that there is one on each shoulder.

[UltraMarginal]

Crosshairs is a really good reuse of the Ironhide mould.

RE-Use or was Ironhide a Premould, I really like the Crosshairs, makes me nearly regret buying the Ironhide as I try to reduce my purchasing of too many of the same mould.

I think the titans return Astrotrain, while not a great Transformer had much better 'Cybertronian' Alt modes.

That Apeface is looking outstanding.

[SharkyMcShark]

Nope, the fake cockpit is great. He has a cockpit on both feet, people complain about seams/transformation lines in alt modes, this way Hasbro fixes that and people still complain. Can't win.

I do understand that people feel that it's cheating but in my opinion if it looks good in both modes that's all that matters.

Crosshairs I was so looking forward to but I'm disappointed. I'll get him because I skipped the Ironhide and will skip the Ratchet however I'm really hoping that Pointblank and Sureshot get new moulds.

I can see pointblank as Counterpunch but would rather not. Cannot see Sureshot from Mirage. Maybe Slapdash from Mirage... hopefully new mould for Sureshot at least.

Will be getting all of this wave and doubles of some.

I can't get into it. I'd infinitely rather a seam and half a cockpit for each shin, but then I can't take seriously the people that say that they're upset with transformation seams.

re: Mirage into Sureshot, I could see it with remolding of the front half. The back half of Mirage is chunky enough to be used as the rear of a buggy.

[Jellico]

Cybertronian steam locomotive, sure why not - I kind of love the silliness of what they're doing with these 'totally not Earth' altmodes. Astrotrain's a definite buy for me, the others no - they look fine so far as I'm any judge, but they don't fit into my back-in-the-80s plan. Now what I need to do is convince myself that just because I won't need to buy these ones doesn't automatically mean I can buy Omega Supreme, even though I'd already managed to talk myself out of it before.

80s Astroboy justified a robot steam engine by having it service a coal mine. It is not too difficult to explain an alternatively fueled Astrotrain.

[BigTransformerTrev]

RE-Use or was Ironhide a Premould, I really like the Crosshairs, makes me nearly regret buying the Ironhide as I try to reduce my purchasing of too many of the same mould.


Quite possible, since it's what they did with Sky Shadow and Overlord a few years ago. Personally I think it was more to do with the alt-mode Ironhide sported in the WFC video game and the fact he was shown on Cybertron at the start of the Bbee movie, and they want to tie into both with the Siege WFC toyline. But yup, it's certainly a possibility that Crosshairs was always on the cards and even the original inspiration for this mould.

[FruitBuyer]

Spinister looks interesting. May pick him up to go with my Legends Misfire and Krok and come one step closer to completing my Scavengers


Same, I really like the tr version but I am confused as to why both vehicle modes are very close to earth modes if it's before astrotrain came to earth.

G E E W U N

[Raider]

Has anyone else noticed Spinister's legs? They both look the size of the full cockpit. Some interesting transformation there I am assuming.

[hYpNoS]

Alot of you are saying interesting things about astrotrain, but consider this.

Its 100% TRYING to be a regular steam train, TRYING, obvious compromises to accommodate the triple changing nature (looks like you flip down some panels and flip him upside down to change modes), the only cybertronian I see are just the back end of the train (looks like a carriage) and that missle launcher up top (could be removable but I see it no where else), frankly surprised no one complained about the rear of the shuttle where there is nothing to cover that mess.

Still I'm quite upset by this, getting lucky via hlj months after initial release to get the legends one thanks to a certain company not doing me justice but it means my eventual leader astrotrain will have his own little astro force consisting of (just about) every use of the TR voyager trains, I loved that mold dearly but its clearly 2 modes+1, this is a much better attempt and am surprised they didn't try leader sooner.

Not sold much by the others although while I'm not attached to apeface I can't deny how amazing he looks, I'm just trying to find the catch...

[Autocon]

Apeface robot and gorilla look good but flight mode not so much. You think they could do a bullet train for astrotrain as it would be much easier to turn into a shuttle. Looks good to me - a train, a shuttle. Crosshairs reminds me of optimus jr with the paint scheme. Looks better than ironhide. Spinister is interesting. Looks like those small connector bots that make up individual halves.

[Jellico]

Alot of you are saying interesting things about astrotrain, but consider this.

Its 100% TRYING to be a regular steam train, TRYING, obvious compromises to accommodate the triple changing nature (looks like you flip down some panels and flip him upside down to change modes), the only cybertronian I see are just the back end of the train (looks like a carriage) and that missle launcher up top (could be removable but I see it no where else), frankly surprised no one complained about the rear of the shuttle where there is nothing to cover that mess.


Looks conveniently similar to the original G1 Astrotrain transformation. And for all its faults it remains one of the better triple changer transformations.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

It is not too difficult to explain an alternatively fueled Astrotrain.

I've been giving this some thought (because this is the kind of thing my brain latches on to and won't let go) - there's a whole bunch of planets out there, presumably with varying tech levels, so maybe Astrotrain visited one that had steam tech (which looked kinda-sorta like Earth tech because all alien planets are kinda sorta like Earth) and became a massive steampunk fan? Like inside his altmode he's a proper energon-powered supersonic maglev or whatever's normal for Cybertron, he just cosplays a steam locomotive, and Megatron's constantly low-grade annoyed that he does it at work but they need his shuttle mode to ferry troops around so he gets away with it.

So in my head Decepticon HQ is a workplace comedy, apparently.

[Sinnertwin]

Just scrap the whole Is it Earthen or Cybertronian Alt Mode business and make it a dedicated G1 range. You're already 90% of the way there

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

So in my head Decepticon HQ is a workplace comedy, apparently.Oh God I'm so glad I'm not the only one who does this.

The entire Odieverse is basically just a huge piss-take, sort of Dr. Smoov meets Slayers meets It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

[SharkyMcShark]

I really really love that there's no 'limb sharing' between the robot and ape modes on Apeface.

The ape legs are made from the sides of the robot chest, and the ape arms fold out of the robot leg calves and don't share any joints with the robot legs.


Apeface robot and gorilla look good but flight mode not so much.


I'm keen to see how the wings attach. It seems like it would be easy fodder for a third party (or shapeways even?) replacement.

[KELPIE]

Astrotrain's a definite buy for me, the others no - they look fine so far as I'm any judge, but they don't fit into my back-in-the-80s plan.
Noo, the others are the ones that perfectly fit back-in-the-80's!!
Look at their colours and design, you needs them :)



but then I can't take seriously the people that say that they're upset with transformation seams.
This we can agree on.


re: Mirage into Sureshot, I could see it with remolding of the front half. The back half of Mirage is chunky enough to be used as the rear of a buggy.
Still don't see it. It would probably be better if a new mould was made that could be reused for Sureshot, Joyride and heck, probably Ruckus as well?


Spinister looks interesting. May pick him up to go with my Legends Misfire and Krok and come one step closer to completing my Scavengers
Don't forget to Pick up Flywheels/Skytread... he was a Scavenger too!

[Sinnertwin]

The JP Legends comics had TR Kup, Hot Rod and Full Tilt repainted as Crosshairs, Pointblank and Sureshot. 🤷*♂️

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

Noo, the others are the ones that perfectly fit back-in-the-80's!!

When I say 80s I mean when the Transformers were in the 80s - I know this is all pre-Earth, but since they're such good G1 bots what I'm doing on my shelf is the 'original' season 1 and 2 crowd, with the Autobots hanging out in the Ark jammed in a mountain and Megatron and his buddies skulking around trying to steal energy any way they could. So I'm not getting ones like Ultra Magnus, Springer, all the modular ones so far - they are G1, but "they weren't there" is kind of where my head's at. Helps keep the collection manageable and affordable while still giving my OCD an out of being able to think I'm getting all the ones that 'count'. Autobot cars and so on, Dinos, the Seekers (including any of the crazy early episode repaints I can affordably get my hands on), Insecticons, Constructicons (I'm on the fence about the combiners they introduced later in season two, I kind of like Devastator being the only one), you get the idea.

(Of course that means Omega Supreme does count, even though I'd love to have a reason to ignore him just because he's going to be so blasted expensive... must... resist.)

[valkyrie_76]

(Of course that means Omega Supreme does count, even though I'd love to have a reason to ignore him just because he's going to be so blasted expensive... must... resist.)

Resistance is futile ;)

[dirge]

Keen on Crosshairs. I'm hoping he's not doused in that silver wash that ruined Ironhide.

[DELTAprime]

Crosshairs is going to be shortpacked apparently. https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/wfc-siege-wave-5-deluxes-and-wave-3-leaders-case-assortments/43511/

[Sinnertwin]

Crosshairs is going to be shortpacked apparently. https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/wfc-siege-wave-5-deluxes-and-wave-3-leaders-case-assortments/43511/

If I can't find one in the Western market -not that I'm worried, I'll just order the JP release. Same same.

[griffin]

A video review of the new Astrotrain toy on youtube...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE0QAskZSR0

[griffin]

More images of Apeface (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/09/28/figure-king-no-260-scans-war-for-cybertron-siege-featuring-apeface-transformers-cyberverse-generations-selects-encore-big-convoy-final-battle-ver-397163) from Figure King magazine in Japan.

[Paulbot]

I’m disappointed by that cheap looking “white” plastic on Apeface. It otherwise looks good

[Tha_Phantom]

I’m disappointed by that cheap looking “white” plastic on Apeface. It otherwise looks good

Makes me miss the days of Takara Legends versions with their premium paint jobs.

[GoktimusPrime]

While not a deal breaker, it's unfortunate that Apeface's nosecone doesn't appear able to fold down. The "battle damage" on the shins looks terrible too... but if that's spattered on black paint then I'm probably going to have to paint the shins black rather than trying to strip the "damage" paint off. *sigh*

[Bidoofdude]

While not a deal breaker, it's unfortunate that Apeface's nosecone doesn't appear able to fold down. The "battle damage" on the shins looks terrible too... but if that's spattered on black paint then I'm probably going to have to paint the shins black rather than trying to strip the "damage" paint off. *sigh*

It’s a shame, because most of the new characters without previous representation typically had minimal/no battle damage.

[DELTAprime]

I'm thinking I might cancel my preorder for Astrotrain. I love the alt modes, but the robot doesn't do it for me the same way the Legends figure does.

[griffin]

More official images of Astrotrain (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/10/09/takara-tomy-siege-sg-47-astrotrain-new-stock-images-398232), from its Japanese release in March 2020.

[Bemblebuu]

Astrotrain with the foot attachments makes him look like he's wearing thongs (or flip-flops for non Aussies).

[griffin]

From Singapore on facebook comes in-hand photos of the next batch of Siege toys - Apeface (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/10/21/war-for-cybertron-siege-apeface-in-hand-gallery-398705) (new Voyager) - Crosshairs (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/10/22/war-for-cybertron-siege-crosshairs-in-hand-gallery-398809) (redeco Deluxe Ironide w/ new head) - Spinister (https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/10/23/war-for-cybertron-siege-spinister-in-hand-gallery-398894) (new Deluxe).

[1AZRAEL1]

I'm at odds to whether I "need" a new Spinister. Sure he looks great, but I did not too long ago get the TFCC set which I am quite happy with. Dunno, I guess if he ever shows up here I might grab him, but won't go out of my way.

[dirge]

I'm at odds to whether I "need" a new Spinister. Sure he looks great, but I did not too long ago get the TFCC set which I am quite happy with. Dunno, I guess if he ever shows up here I might grab him, but won't go out of my way.

I'm in the same frame of mind. It looks good, but I'm just not sure I need two CHUG Spinisters. He's a pretty minor character.