Theories: who did Unicron turn into who?

[BigTransformerTrev]

Given all the hype about a 1986 Movie accurate Unicron toy being released, time to bring up an old and much discussed (and admittedly rehashed) discussion that’s been taking place over the past 33 years:

Everyone knows that Skywarp and Thundercracker got reformatted. And so did some Insecticons. And in return we got Cyclonus, Scourge & his huntsmen – the Sweeps. (For now we’ll put down ‘Armada’ as one of many animation errors, left over from when the original script called for Cyclonus to have clones of his own) So:


WHO DID UNICRON FORMAT INTO WHO?



The Seekers:
One get turned into a Cyclonus, one got turned into a Scourge/Sweep. So which is which?

*My theory
-Since a Seeker got transformed when Unicron was saying ‘Scourge’, I think the Seeker was turned into Scourge rather than a Sweep. And due to the colour scheme I’d say it was Thundercracker
-A Seeker got turned into a Cyclonus, though it was in the background rather than the foreground, so it’s possible it was transformed into the redundant ‘Armada’. I’d like to think however that Skywarp (again, colour scheme) got turned into Cyclonus.
Of course there is an argument that due to being a more honourable being, Thundercracker got turned into Cyclonus, but I tend to go with the colour scheme theory.


Insecticons or Clones? And who did they become?
Arguments abound about whether it was the original Insecticons or their clones that got reformatted by Unicron. Since they spoke (nay!) many think it was the actual Insecticons. Also Shrapnel had clone beams and a Shrapnel got turned into a Scourge/Sweeps, so it could have been the original.

*My theory
The Insecticon clones had always been shown to not continue to survive without the original three. So the fact that more Insections cropped up later in the movie and also several episode of season 3 makes me think it was clones that were thrown out. Also Bombshell cropped up in a book (I can’t remember which one – I think Paulbot has it) where he was mind-controlling Springer, much to the anger of Galvatron.
Also I think that since it was shown that there seemed to be an inexhaustible supply of Sweeps, and likewise Insecticon clones, it makes sense that the Sweeps were made of clones.

So to sum up I theorize:
*Skywarp became Cyclonus
*Thundercracker became Scourge
*Insecticon Clones became Sweeps
*The original Insecticons survived



So, who do you think got turned into who? What is your theory?



Extra Note: I can't believe I couldn't find a thread on here where this had been discussed before! It may well exist and I wasn't using the right search terms.

[DELTAprime]

My headcanon is Skywarp is Cyclonus and Thundercracker is Scourge. Insecticons with their cloning ability are the Armada and Sweeps.

[Sinnertwin]

From memory, according to the storyboards, Bombshell in the foreground is Cyclonus, while and unnamed Seeker is Scourge.
The very next scene throws the numbers out as there is one less Cyclonus clone for his Armada & one or two extra Sweeps.

Maybe they were all clones as they appear at Starscream's coronation anyway.

[Sinnertwin]

Here we are, plain as day, Bombshell being reformatted into Cyclonus (https://www.tfraw.com/p/sequence-12.html) while dead seekers float in the background

[Tha_Phantom]

Do we really have to do this again? :p

Okay, fine, here's my 2c.
If we look at the toy catalog (http://www.unicron.us/tf1986/1986padback.big.jpg?fbclid=IwAR1DNon1S8nggzqgqRnKw wTg2w6iKlUKmQz6qxEzRYYghmvZWm2hsMGIXC0) from 1986, we see Scourge and Cyclonus along with Starscream and three Conehead seekers. No Thundercracker or Skywarp. Oh and Insecticons are still present too!
Now as we all know, the movie is really just an excuse to get rid of a bunch of old toys to make room for new ones, so to me it's clear that Skywarp and Thundercracker became Cyclonus and Scourge respectively.

Yes, if we watch the movie it looks clear that Bombshell becomes Cyclonus, but then again the movie also shows two red cassettes along with other animation errors. Plus, the whole second Cyclonus is the reason why we're discussing this, so clearly there's not much credibility as far as the animation is concerned.

[Trent]

Bombshell is Cyclonus.

I really don’t know what’s so offensive about this fact.

[SMHFConvoy]

I dunno, I just enjoy the movie as it is.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Do we really have to do this again? :p

Wat'choo talkin' bout' boy? Aint no one ever started no thread bout' this on OzF before. You be trippin fool!

[Sinnertwin]

Do we really have to do this again? :p

Okay, fine, here's my 2c.
If we look at the toy catalog (http://www.unicron.us/tf1986/1986padback.big.jpg?fbclid=IwAR1DNon1S8nggzqgqRnKw wTg2w6iKlUKmQz6qxEzRYYghmvZWm2hsMGIXC0) from 1986, we see Scourge and Cyclonus along with Starscream and three Conehead seekers. No Thundercracker or Skywarp. Oh and Insecticons are still present too!
Now as we all know, the movie is really just an excuse to get rid of a bunch of old toys to make room for new ones, so to me it's clear that Skywarp and Thundercracker became Cyclonus and Scourge respectively.

Yes, if we watch the movie it looks clear that Bombshell becomes Cyclonus, but then again the movie also shows two red cassettes along with other animation errors. Plus, the whole second Cyclonus is the reason why we're discussing this, so clearly there's not much credibility as far as the animation is concerned.

It's there in the storyboard. He's even referred to by name. You cant get any clearer than that.

People can spin theories 26 ways to Sunday, but it's there in black and white.

[griffin]

I personally never accepted that a lowly Insecticon (or clone) would be turned into one of Galvatron's main henchmen... especially how intelligent they were in the UK comics... and always assumed it was one of the hundreds of animation errors in the 1986 movie (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transformers:_The_Movie#Animation_errors), as it made more sense to me to have Thundercracker and Skywarp be the two main henchmen, and the Insecticons (clones) be the Sweeps and Armada clones. (not that the "armada of Cyclonus clones" ever reappeared after the attack on Autobot city, so were probably in the original script to make up a more significant fighting force of Decepticons when they returned to Autobot City - a bit like the seeker clones and Reflector clones in the first few episodes of the original cartoon just to make up numbers)
Before the storyboards surfaced in 2005 (Wally Burr was selling them at BotCon that year), it was one of those fan debates that had no end, between those who saw Bombshell on screen become Cyclonus, and those who believe it was just another animation error and it was meant to be Skywarp who was also black and purple.

I'd like to see the original script, to see if Ron Friedman actually had anyone specific become Scourge and Cyclonus, as storyboard scripting (the action described below each frame of the storyboard), doesn't say any specific Decepticon, but does name who each new Decepticon is called. I think the storyboard artist working off Ron's script, probably just picked random characters that were thrown out in the previous scene, not knowing if any were more significant than others. After all, this was originally written during the first year of Transformers, and the writer didn't really need to feature many of them in a significant way, as they would be off toy shelves by the time this movie would be out)

The IDW comic version of the 1986 movie (printed in 2006) did a lot of fixing of errors and inconsistencies, but stayed true to the animated movie by having Bombshell become Cyclonus. Then again... the actual animated scene with Cyclonus and his Armada being created at the same time (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Cyclonus_armada_tftf.jpg) doesn't necessarily mean that Cyclonus is the one at the front.

[Paulbot]

Well I'm pretty sure that he turned Megatron into Galvatron!*

Everything else I have to say has already been mentioned. :)



*Although I have an unexplored fanfic idea that at least one of the Galvatron's in the comics was actually Starscream

[BigTransformerTrev]

From memory, according to the storyboards, Bombshell in the foreground is Cyclonus, while and unnamed Seeker is Scourge.
The very next scene throws the numbers out as there is one less Cyclonus clone for his Armada & one or two extra Sweeps.

Maybe they were all clones as they appear at Starscream's coronation anyway.


Here we are, plain as day, Bombshell being reformatted into Cyclonus (https://www.tfraw.com/p/sequence-12.html) while dead seekers float in the background

Storyboards...

... really? That's your evidence? Styoryboards which show Cyclonus flexing but don't remotely show who actually came to be him?

What friggin twaddle! Bombshell's clone is in front, so even though they got formatted at the same time that must mean that the Bombshell clone became Cyclonus? Because he is in front? There is no up nor down nor left nor right nor any of that directional crap in space! Don't matter a giggle'n'hoot who was closer to camera! They got formatted at the same friggin time!

They needed to phase Skywarp out as the toy was no longer being made so replaced him with a new purple jet named Cyclonus. Stands to reason. They needed (due to early drafts of the script) another Cyclonus so they chucked in a Bombshell clone since they are a dime a dozen and it dont matter a frig what happens to them.

You either refuse to see the truth or your inability to see it stems from your sado-marxism and apple/orange blindness. I pity you and whatever halfsbreed offspring you spawn if that is the limit of your logical reasoning. Shame on you sir! SHAME! :mad:

[Sinnertwin]

I know that country folk can be a bit slow, so let me explain it to you in small, bite size portions your A Country Practice meets Sesame Street brain can comprehend.

Bombshell is named & drawn in storyboard. Bombshell in front. Bombshell becomes Cyclonus.

Next time you're in Sydney, I'll staple the storyboard to your forehead in case you're having trouble seeing it.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I know that country folk can be a bit slow, so let me explain it to you in small, bite size portions your A Country Practice meets Sesame Street brain can comprehend.

Bombshell is named & drawn in storyboard. Bombshell in front. Bombshell becomes Cyclonus.

Next time you're in Sydney, I'll staple the storyboard to your forehead in case you're having trouble seeing it.


Thats right, make it 'city vs country' with your ignorant view that we are all hillbillies. We only produce all your food! What do you produce for us - friggin beanie babbies?!

And don''t you knock A Country Practice! Dr Terrance Elliot fixed your wounds, Cookie cooked your meals, and Bob Hatfield mended your plumbing (before the actor got stuck in a wheelchair, molested a young girl and then died). And Fatso remains the best known TV Wombat to this day!

Yeah, lets go by friggin storyboards that were drawn up all the way back in S1 (hence no Scramble City combiner teams). You wanna go by those, then Skywarp was a much major character and there were Insecticon Clones right left and centre (though not in space). So they wrote Bombshell instead of Bombshell Clone - means that they ran out of pencil, not that your ludicrous theories are correct. :rolleyes:

[Sinnertwin]

Thats right, make it 'city vs country' with your ignorant view that we are all hillbillies. We only produce all your food! What do you produce for us - friggin beanie babbies?!

And don''t you knock A Country Practice! Dr Terrance Elliot fixed your wounds, Cookie cooked your meals, and Bob Hatfield mended your plumbing (before the actor got stuck in a wheelchair, molested a young girl and then died). And Fatso remains the best known TV Wombat to this day!

Yeah, lets go by friggin storyboards that were drawn up all the way back in S1 (hence no Scramble City combiner teams). You wanna go by those, then Skywarp was a much major character and there were Insecticon Clones right left and centre (though not in space). So they wrote Bombshell instead of Bombshell Clone - means that they ran out of pencil, not that your ludicrous theories are correct. :rolleyes:

Skywarp a major character? Put the crackpipe down, you luddite. He was a B character at best, much like Thundercrcacker. Bombshell clone? You're really clutching now. I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or give you a headbutt. You're obviously one of those iT hAZ 2 B SkyWarP BeKoz he'Z a pLanE folk that clearly can't accept what's in front of them.

[Trent]

The IDW comic version of the 1986 movie (printed in 2006) did a lot of fixing of errors and inconsistencies, but stayed true to the animated movie by having Bombshell become Cyclonus. Then again... the actual animated scene with Cyclonus and his Armada being created at the same time (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Cyclonus_armada_tftf.jpg) doesn't necessarily mean that Cyclonus is the one at the front.

C’mon Griff. You’re reaching here mate. Like, Go go gadget arms! reaching. Saying that the one in front wasn’t the main Cyclonus? That same logic also means that Scourge might not have been front and centre when all the sweeps were created and that maybe Kickback actually became Scourge.

[Raider]

I personally never accepted that a lowly Insecticon (or clone) would be turned into one of Galvatron's main henchmen... especially how intelligent they were in the UK comics... and always assumed it was one of the hundreds of animation errors in the 1986 movie (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transformers:_The_Movie#Animation_errors), as it made more sense to me to have Thundercracker and Skywarp be the two main henchmen, and the Insecticons (clones) be the Sweeps and Armada clones. (not that the "armada of Cyclonus clones" ever reappeared after the attack on Autobot city, so were probably in the original script to make up a more significant fighting force of Decepticons when they returned to Autobot City - a bit like the seeker clones and Reflector clones in the first few episodes of the original cartoon just to make up numbers)
Before the storyboards surfaced in 2005 (Wally Burr was selling them at BotCon that year), it was one of those fan debates that had no end, between those who saw Bombshell on screen become Cyclonus, and those who believe it was just another animation error and it was meant to be Skywarp who was also black and purple.

I'd like to see the original script, to see if Ron Friedman actually had anyone specific become Scourge and Cyclonus, as storyboard scripting (the action described below each frame of the storyboard), doesn't say any specific Decepticon, but does name who each new Decepticon is called. I think the storyboard artist working off Ron's script, probably just picked random characters that were thrown out in the previous scene, not knowing if any were more significant than others. After all, this was originally written during the first year of Transformers, and the writer didn't really need to feature many of them in a significant way, as they would be off toy shelves by the time this movie would be out)

The IDW comic version of the 1986 movie (printed in 2006) did a lot of fixing of errors and inconsistencies, but stayed true to the animated movie by having Bombshell become Cyclonus. Then again... the actual animated scene with Cyclonus and his Armada being created at the same time (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Cyclonus_armada_tftf.jpg) doesn't necessarily mean that Cyclonus is the one at the front.

I agree mostly with this. In particular, the aspect about the intelligence. As we know from Megatron, he retained his memories and to a large extent his personality. The same can said for Cyclonus if you agree he is SKywarp. Skywarp was always fiercely loyal to Megatron. As such, Cyclonus was always fiercely loyal to Galvatron. On the other hand, I seem to recall instances where Bombshell was anything but loyal to Megatron.

As a kid this was always a massive mindf^&* for me. I just couldn't get my head around what was going on. I put it down to the large amount of animation errors in the Movie. How many bots again where in the battle at Autobot City to then show up later again on the same ship that Prime came in on? The animators messed up and Orson Wells probably didn't want to redo the voice over if there was an error by him or a change in the script.

To me, it will always make more sense that the two new henchmen were the two more popular characters.

Side note, I am sure I read somewhere before that "Armada" (or the second Cyclonus) was actually smaller than Cyclonus. Given that they were reformatted and not completely rebuilt, it would make sense that the larger bot (ie Skywarp) became the large Cyclonus.


I know that country folk can be a bit slow, so let me explain it to you in small, bite size portions your A Country Practice meets Sesame Street brain can comprehend.

Bombshell is named & drawn in storyboard. Bombshell in front. Bombshell becomes Cyclonus.

Next time you're in Sydney, I'll staple the storyboard to your forehead in case you're having trouble seeing it.

Mate you live that far west you are almost country so I wouldn't go that far on Trev.... Not to mention, those storyboards are FULL of errors. Pinning your rationale on that, and that alone, is like Trump taking the word 'exonerate' from the Mueller report and stating "See, totally exonerated!". Let's keep context in mind.... I expected better of you too...


C’mon Griff. You’re reaching here mate. Like, Go go gadget arms! reaching. Saying that the one in front wasn’t the main Cyclonus? That same logic also means that Scourge might not have been front and centre when all the sweeps were created and that maybe Kickback actually became Scourge.

And Trent... not you too... I mean you are as wrong about this as you are about The Last Jedi being a good movie... what a load of garbage... nothing of substance to add to the discussion and all you do is have a go at griffin for setting out a logical basis for his opinion. Tsk tsk tsk. Back to the wacky tobacky for you my south coast friend.

[Sinnertwin]

Mate you live that far west you are almost country so I wouldn't go that far on Trev.... Not to mention, those storyboards are FULL of errors. Pinning your rationale on that, and that alone, is like Trump taking the word 'exonerate' from the Mueller report and stating "See, totally exonerated!". Let's keep context in mind.... I expected better of you too...


I've had to dumb it down for Trev, because he's Trev, but let me use language you'll understand, Home and Away boy.
Based on all of the available evidence brought before you, how can you in good faith claim that Skywarp is Cyclonus? I know you're capable of comprehending what is involved in making a movie, so it astounds me that you'd still think otherwise.

It's like showing a flat earther a picture of a lunar eclipse and still being told it's all a hoax.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Skywarp a major character? Put the crackpipe down, you luddite. He was a B character at best, much like Thundercrcacker. Bombshell clone? You're really clutching now. I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or give you a headbutt. You're obviously one of those iT hAZ 2 B SkyWarP BeKoz he'Z a pLanE folk that clearly can't accept what's in front of them.

Oh really? Who - besides Megs, Sscream and Soundwave - were major characters then? Shockwave who sat on his purple arse on Cybertron going 'The bridge isnt working again mighty Megatron' every few episodes? Thundercracker who never used his sonic boom? Reflector who they couldn't even bother giving the toy colours too? Or maybe the cassettes who had one line uttered between the lot of'em? At least Skywarp actually did stuff and teleported around the place both to fulfill mission objectives and attack in interesting ways in battle. The others from S1 - when the movie script was written - did sweet f-all!


C’mon Griff. You’re reaching here mate. Like, Go go gadget arms! reaching. Saying that the one in front wasn’t the main Cyclonus? That same logic also means that Scourge might not have been front and centre when all the sweeps were created and that maybe Kickback actually became Scourge.

You gots a lot of gall having a go at the main site Mod by saying he's reaching when he's provided a coherent argument. The real Cyclonus must have been the one in front because he was the one in front? By that rationale - and every porn I've ever watched on the net - then the one that was behind the other and then on top should be the dominant one, and in this case that makes that one the real Cyclonus. And that one was Skywarp.

Plus Unicron said 'Scourge' when Thundercracker was being reformatted, and then 'Sweeps' when the Insecticon clones were. He didn't say 'Cyclonus' until both robots were reformatted. Have you even seen the move? :rolleyes:

[Raider]

I've had to dumb it down for Trev, because he's Trev, but let me use language you'll understand, Home and Away boy.
Based on all of the available evidence brought before you, how can you in good faith claim that Skywarp is Cyclonus? I know you're capable of comprehending what is involved in making a movie, so it astounds me that you'd still think otherwise.

It's like showing a flat earther a picture of a lunar eclipse and still being told it's all a hoax.

Um not familiar with the fact that it is not the Earth's shadow cast on the moon but another object that orbits the moon at a much closer range. Globist always think they are so superior....

[Trent]

I agree mostly with this. In particular, the aspect about the intelligence. As we know from Megatron, he retained his memories and to a large extent his personality. The same can said for Cyclonus if you agree he is SKywarp. Skywarp was always fiercely loyal to Megatron. As such, Cyclonus was always fiercely loyal to Galvatron. On the other hand, I seem to recall instances where Bombshell was anything but loyal to Megatron.

As a kid this was always a massive mindf^&* for me. I just couldn't get my head around what was going on. I put it down to the large amount of animation errors in the Movie. How many bots again where in the battle at Autobot City to then show up later again on the same ship that Prime came in on? The animators messed up and Orson Wells probably didn't want to redo the voice over if there was an error by him or a change in the script.

To me, it will always make more sense that the two new henchmen were the two more popular characters.

Side note, I am sure I read somewhere before that "Armada" (or the second Cyclonus) was actually smaller than Cyclonus. Given that they were reformatted and not completely rebuilt, it would make sense that the larger bot (ie Skywarp) became the large Cyclonus.



Mate you live that far west you are almost country so I wouldn't go that far on Trev.... Not to mention, those storyboards are FULL of errors. Pinning your rationale on that, and that alone, is like Trump taking the word 'exonerate' from the Mueller report and stating "See, totally exonerated!". Let's keep context in mind.... I expected better of you too...



And Trent... not you too... I mean you are as wrong about this as you are about The Last Jedi being a good movie... what a load of garbage... nothing of substance to add to the discussion and all you do is have a go at griffin for setting out a logical basis for his opinion. Tsk tsk tsk. Back to the wacky tobacky for you my south coast friend.

I know that you, Mr I am the law!! up there in your affluent (more like effluent) little white-as corner of the world, are used to getting your way. But not even you have enough money to buy this argument. You can stand there and yell “objection” till you’re blue in the face but it doesn’t change the fact that you. are. wrong. I mean, it’s right there from storyboards through to the final cut. You seriously trying to tell me that such a major plot point was missed by so many people during nearly every stage of production? Everyone knows that lawyers are full of shit but mate...

Go get another southern cross tattoo.

[tinyJazz]

I'd like to see the original script, to see if Ron Friedman actually had anyone specific become Scourge and Cyclonus, as storyboard scripting (the action described below each frame of the storyboard), doesn't say any specific Decepticon, but does name who each new Decepticon is called. I think the storyboard artist working off Ron's script, probably just picked random characters that were thrown out in the previous scene, not knowing if any were more significant than others. After all, this was originally written during the first year of Transformers, and the writer didn't really need to feature many of them in a significant way, as they would be off toy shelves by the time this movie would be out).

Ron Friedman was at a fan run TF Convention recently, Did no one ask him then? He was promoting his book “I Killed Optimus Prime”, or something of the like

[DELTAprime]

Ron Friedman was at a fan run TF Convention recently, Did no one ask him then? He was promoting his book “I Killed Optimus Prime”, or something of the like

Well, the reformatting and who is who has been mentioned by people that worked on the movie in the past. It was specified to the people making the movie that Megatron, Thundercraker, Skywarp and the Insecticons were to be reformatted. However, only the Megatron to Galvatron reformatting was set in stone. The rest of the reformatting was done at random. The fact that nothing was ever specified leaves it open to individual interpretation in my mind.

[valkyrie_76]

Can someone use the word "twaddle" and 'footle" please. I am reading some of the language being used and I want to see is "twaddle" or "footle". I have no idea why I want to see it but for some reason I feel it would be great :)

Plus Thundercracker = Scourge and Skywarp = Cyclonus.

[Raider]

Can someone use the word "twaddle" and 'footle" please. I am reading some of the language being used and I want to see is "twaddle" or "footle". I have no idea why I want to see it but for some reason I feel it would be great :)

Plus Thundercracker = Scourge and Skywarp = Cyclonus.

It should go without saying that everything said by Sinner and Trent is nothing but self-indulgent twaddle. That's what happens when those two go footling about on the forums...

Welcome to Team Skywarp!

[Sinnertwin]

Can someone use the word "twaddle" and 'footle" please. I am reading some of the language being used and I want to see is "twaddle" or "footle". I have no idea why I want to see it but for some reason I feel it would be great :)

Plus Thundercracker = Scourge and Skywarp = Cyclonus.

Valkyrie_76 wrote a passive aggressive post requesting that we use the terms "twaddle" and "footle" because he's too afraid to say how he really feels.
How's that?

[Trent]

It should go without saying that everything said by Sinner and Trent is nothing but self-indulgent twaddle. That's what happens when those two go footling about on the forums...

Welcome to Team Skywarp!

Good to see a cohesive, well thought out argument being put forward by “Team Skywarp” here. Basically ”Skywarp is Cyclonus because I like Skywarp more!”.

Raider, you’re ignoring the facts so well that I have no doubt you, Trev and the others will all be awarded immediate life membership to the anti-vaccination supporters club because they could surely use people with your level of wilful ignorance. Cards are in the mail.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Raider, you’re ignoring the facts so well that I have no doubt you, Trev and the others will all be awarded immediate life membership to the anti-vaccination supporters club because they could surely use people with your level of wilful ignorance. Cards are in the mail.

Don’t forget I also believe veganism ensures no animal is ever harmed or used in the production of food, the earth is flat, the moon landing was faked, a lack of Pokemon is destroying the Masterpiece line, a woman should not have the right to choose what happens with her own body and having any form of disability means you get to say whatever you like and if people argue back that makes them evil.

You are such such a Cultural Marxist Fallicy-equivalencies Proponent that it’s barely funny.

[Sinnertwin]

Don’t forget I also believe veganism ensures no animal is ever harmed or used in the production of food, the earth is flat, the moon landing was faked, a lack of Pokemon is destroying the Masterpiece line, a woman should not have the right to choose what happens with her own body and having any form of disability means you get to say whatever you like and if people argue back that makes them evil.

You are such such a Cultural Marxist Fallicy-equivalencies Proponent that it’s barely funny.

And there we are ladies and gentlemen, another Skywarp is Bombshell ableist. Your predisposed attitude towards the Pokemon license perfectly sums up your thought process. Disgusting.

[Lint]

another Skywarp is Bombshell ableist.

Okay this is getting weird :p

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Honestly, this seems like a pretty weird/minor topic for all this twaddlefootin' fuss.

[Dan]

My wishful 'head canon' based mostly on the desire for story and catalogue consistency is as follows:

- Skywarp becomes Cyclonus and Thundercracker becomes Scourge. There is no 'Armada'.
- Reflector becomes The Sweeps.
- The Insecticons were never that damaged in the battle and partake in the argument over who should rule. They say they will support whichever candidate can offer them the most energon.
- Back at the start of the battle of Autobot City we see Utra Magnus give Skyfire the order to get the humans to safety. Chip, Sparkplug and Carly are all seen getting into that great hunk-o-plane and flying off.
- In the post-battle tidying scene we see various characters corresponding to 1985 Autobot Cars milling about shifting city debris. It is galling to think that any toy or character should last only one year - they were due a minimum of two dammit!
- Snarl is seen in every scene in which the Dinobots appear.

I could go on but think I'm widening the topic too much. :)

[BigTransformerTrev]

Okay this is getting weird :p


Honestly, this seems like a pretty weird/minor topic for all this twaddlefootin' fuss.

Hey, Trent & Sinner might be on the other side of the Cyberfence to Raider and I - but all of us would agree that this is perhaps - no, not perhaps, IS - the most important topic in Transformers Fandom today! Without a resolution of who Unicron turned into Cyclonus, the chances of the new Chaos Bringer figure being made goes from a 'maybe' to a 'no chance at all'.

We are arguing not for our sakes, but for all of yours. And yet no one has thanked any of us yet. No one has said 'good on ya' or sent us a small box of chocolates - nothing. Now that's what I find weird!

[Tha_Phantom]

Don’t forget I also believe veganism ensures no animal is ever harmed or used in the production of food, the earth is flat, the moon landing was faked, a lack of Pokemon is destroying the Masterpiece line, a woman should not have the right to choose what happens with her own body and having any form of disability means you get to say whatever you like and if people argue back that makes them evil.

You are such such a Cultural Marxist Fallicy-equivalencies Proponent that it’s barely funny.

TL;DR

[Trent]

Okay this is getting weird :p


Honestly, this seems like a pretty weird/minor topic for all this twaddlefootin' fuss.

You people sit at home enjoying this hobby of yours, blissfully oblivious to the horrors that we visit upon those that would challenge your way of life, so that you can close your eyes at night and feel safe in the knowledge of who became Cyclonus! And when you finally catch a glimpse of the darkness, of the atrocities committed in your name, this is the thanks we get?

Do you think that if our side loses, the enemy will be content to rest? Nay. They will roll forward and inflict their way of life onto all. Those refusing to recant will be wiped from the fandom as if they had never been. Our interpretation of who became Cyclonus not even a distant memory. What a world!

So here the likes of Sinnertwin, Trev, Raider and I, self appointed proxies in this, our fandoms Holy War, wait. In the shadows, ready to do what is necessary to preserve your way of life and your very souls from the darkness. Risking condemnation from all sides to do What Must Be Done for the continuation of peace within our fandom.

[BigTransformerTrev]

You people sit at home enjoying this hobby of yours, blissfully oblivious to the horrors that we visit upon those that would challenge your way of life, so that you can close your eyes at night and feel safe in the knowledge of who became Cyclonus! And when you finally catch a glimpse of the darkness, of the atrocities committed in your name, this is the thanks we get?

Do you think that if our side loses, the enemy will be content to rest? Nay. They will roll forward and inflict their way of life onto all. Those refusing to recant will be wiped from the fandom as if they had never been. Our interpretation of who became Cyclonus not even a distant memory. What a world!

So here the likes of Sinnertwin, Trev, Raider and I, self appointed proxies in this, our fandoms Holy War, wait. In the shadows, ready to do what is necessary to preserve your way of life and your very souls from the darkness. Risking condemnation from all sides to do What Must Be Done for the continuation of peace within our fandom.

I don't like to use the term 'hero' often, but we are possibly the greatest heroes in TF-fandom history



TL;DR

Sorry, I'll put it in pictorial form then

http://i67.tinypic.com/2dgs4gm.jpg

[DaptoDog]

Don't overthink it people. Your eyes do not deceive you. Cyclonus is Bombshell.

Unicron doesn't care that Skywarp and Thundercracker were higher up the ranks than the lowly insecticons. He saw them all as junker robots and did with them as he saw fit. Nothing more to it.

[GoktimusPrime]

<throws a monkey wrench>
But was it Bombshell or Salvo? ;)

[KELPIE]

Skywarp's always been one of my favourites, so this argument always gets me down.

I'd like to say that Skywarp is Cyclonus, however it's clearly Bombshell, in both perspective and timing.

That leaves me with having to push for Skywarp becoming Scourge... but if I'm being honest here, squinting, the colours do seem to be Thundercracker's there :(


I'd like to think that it was all an error and that Skywarp was always intended to be Cyclonus (the whole two purple jets thing) but then that means I'd have to open myself to the possibility that Skywarp doesn't have the best stats, techspec wise, out of all the Seekers and that just ain't gonna happen.

[GoktimusPrime]

Okay, I'll add a serious comment to this discussion...

IT DOESN'T MATTER

As this is an unresolvable topic (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Cyclonus_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F ) attempting to debate just becomes as useful as a dog chasing its own tail. If you want to believe that it was Skywarp, then fine. If you want to believe that it was Bombshell or Salvo, also fine. Whatever floats your boat.

Personal Opinion That's Not Official Canon:
I personally believe that Skywarp became Cyclonus and that Salvo became the other Cyclonus (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Krunix_(G1)). In my head canon all the Insecticons who were jettisoned were clones and the original Insecticons survived (which is why we see them later on).

[Sinnertwin]

I think you'll find it's quite resolvable. It's only those who want symmetry pushing for Skywarp.
You show that scene to someone who has never seen the movie and ask them who became who? 100% will say Bombshell, I guaranteee it.

[Tha_Phantom]

I think you'll find it's quite resolvable. It's only those who want symmetry pushing for Skywarp.
You show that scene to someone who has never seen the movie and ask them who became who? 100% will say Bombshell, I guaranteee it.

Right, just as we clearly see two red cassettes in an earlier scene of the movie. :)

[Seraphim Prime]

Right, just as we clearly see two red cassettes in an earlier scene of the movie. :)

Shh! That's supposed to be a rare appearance of Enemy! :p

[Sinnertwin]

Right, just as we clearly see two red cassettes in an earlier scene of the movie. :)

That's just a colouring error, much like Starscream's cockpit when he's kicking Megatron, doesn't mean anything. Points for trying though :)

[Tha_Phantom]

That's just a colouring error, much like Starscream's cockpit when he's kicking Megatron, doesn't mean anything. Points for trying though :)

The movie is riddled with errors, including dead characters showing up later on. As I said earlier, there isn't much credibility there. :rolleyes:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092106/goofs

[Sinnertwin]

The movie is riddled with errors, including dead characters showing up later on. As I said earlier, there isn't much credibility there. :rolleyes:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092106/goofs

Except that it's not an animation error. The animators animated what was brought before them.
The one time they do their job correctly, the fandom explodes :p

[Trent]

Okay, I'll add a serious comment to this discussion...

IT DOESN'T MATTER

As this is an unresolvable topic (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Cyclonus_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F ) attempting to debate just becomes as useful as a dog chasing its own tail. If you want to believe that it was Skywarp, then fine. If you want to believe that it was Bombshell or Salvo, also fine. Whatever floats your boat.

Personal Opinion That's Not Official Canon:
I personally believe that Skywarp became Cyclonus and that Salvo became the other Cyclonus (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Krunix_(G1)). In my head canon all the Insecticons who were jettisoned were clones and the original Insecticons survived (which is why we see them later on).

It’s only unresolvable if you deny Bombshell became Cyclonus. It’s right there. I showed my wife the storyboards and the scene from the movie. An outsider that has no clue about this and guess what? She said Bombshell is Cyclonus. Clear as day.

She then threw off her clothes and demanded I take her to bed immediately because nothing makes her hotter than seeing her mid-thirties husband engaged in an internet nerd argument!

[DaptoDog]

It’s only unresolvable if you deny Bombshell became Cyclonus. It’s right there. I showed my wife the storyboards and the scene from the movie. An outsider that has no clue about this and guess what? She said Bombshell is Cyclonus. Clear as day.

She then threw off her clothes and demanded I take her to bed immediately because nothing makes her hotter than seeing her mid-thirties husband engaged in an internet nerd argument!

Bravo! That's Ozformer of the year material right there. :D

[BigTransformerTrev]

It’s only unresolvable if you deny Bombshell became Cyclonus. It’s right there. I showed my wife the storyboards and the scene from the movie. An outsider that has no clue about this and guess what? She said Bombshell is Cyclonus. Clear as day.

She then threw off her clothes and demanded I take her to bed immediately because nothing makes her hotter than seeing her mid-thirties husband engaged in an internet nerd argument!

Don’t bode well for your marriage when she finds out it was really Skywarp.

I hope she never realises the truth - it would be good if at least one of you wasn’t thinking of me when in the throes of passion with their spouse.


<throws a monkey wrench>
But was it Bombshell or Salvo? ;)

If it wasn’t for the colour scheme I’d be open to this theory as it least it would mean it was an Insecticlone rather than one of the originals, which I still maintain survived since they were in the movie later on, were in season 3 and appeared in post movie books.

[Sinnertwin]

Don’t bode well for your marriage when she finds out it was really Skywarp.

I hope she never realises the truth - it would be good if at least one of you wasn’t thinking of me when in the throes of passion with their spouse.

I shall attempt the Trent maneuver tonight while thinking of you xoxo

[Trent]

I shall attempt the Trent maneuver tonight while thinking of you xoxo

Don’t get her hopes up

[Sinnertwin]

Don’t get her hopes up

If its worked for you...

https://i.imgur.com/AuUPN2w.jpg

[GoktimusPrime]

I'll post this link again (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Cyclonus_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F ) in case anyone missed it. The TFwiki page on G1 Cyclonus in the G1 cartoon continuity dedicates six paragraphs into the problems with Cyclonus' former identity. You fine folks know how to follow a hotlink so I'm not going to post my own spiel which would be nothing more than just rewording what's already stated on that wiki page (you can read it for yourselves). :)

The "because Bombshell's in front" isn't a great argument because directions in space is completely relative.

And how do you know it was Bombshell and not Salvo or any of his other clones? :confused:
Anyway, if you want to believe it's Bombshell or Salvo (etc.) then go right ahead.

More Personal Opinion That's Not Canonical Fact:
Another reason why I prefer the Skywarp explanation is because Cyclonus' personality is more like Skywarp's and very different from Bombshell's. In the G1 cartoon Skywarp was portrayed as being a loyal soldier to Megatron. Starscream was the traitor and Thundercracker was somewhat indifferent, but Skywarp was the loyalist. We can see this in The Ultimate Doom where Skywarp and Starscream fight in the lift over the "brilliance" of Megatron's plan. G1 cartoon Cyclonus is also fiercely loyal to Galvatron. This is quite different from Bombshell who, like the other Insecticons in the cartoon, is a pure opportunist. He's only ever loyal to Megatron so long as it suits his purposes. So to me Cyclonus being the evolution of Skywarp makes sense to me as much as Galvatron is the evolution of Megatron. They share personality traits. Again, I recognise that this is purely my own opinion and not a decisive canonical fact.

[Sinnertwin]

I'll post this link again (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Cyclonus_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F ) in case anyone missed it. The TFwiki page on G1 Cyclonus in the G1 cartoon continuity dedicates six paragraphs into the problems with Cyclonus' former identity. You fine folks know how to follow a hotlink so I'm not going to post my own spiel which would be nothing more than just rewording what's already stated on that wiki page (you can read it for yourselves). :)



Here we are, plain as day, Bombshell being reformatted into Cyclonus (https://www.tfraw.com/p/sequence-12.html) while dead seekers float in the background

Here's the link to the storyboard from which the animators worked off.


The "because Bombshell's in front" isn't a great argument because directions in space is completely relative.

But not from a movie making/audience point of view. You're not going to introduce a new character by having them standing in the background. Our eyes are drawn to the objects at the front of the screen making them a point of attention.


And how do you know it was Bombshell and not Salvo or any of his other clones? :confused:


https://i.imgur.com/u7If5KB.jpg

[GoktimusPrime]

That's still a matter of authorial intent vs final outcome. Even then this becomes fuzzy as it contradicts earlier versions of the script. And even in the final product we know that Bombshell appears in later scenes in the movie and he appears in Season 3. Skywarp does not. But then again, the clone thing...

I'm NOT saying that it's definitively one or the other. This is truly a pointless discussion. Just take your pick and go with it. If you want to believe that Cyclonus used to be Bombshell then more power to you. If you want to believe that he used to be Salvo, then go for it. And if you want to believe that he used to be Skywarp, then go nuts with that too.

[BigTransformerTrev]

That's still a matter of authorial intent vs final outcome. Even then this becomes fuzzy as it contradicts earlier versions of the script.

Well unlike many of you I've decided to dig deep on the net, make a few phone calls etc. And it turns out we are all wrong

The robot that gets turned into Cyclonus is in fact Hound.

What the original script called for:
When Prime, Sunstreaker and Hound land at Autobot city, Prime orders Sunstreaker to reinforce the left flank and orders Hound to use his holographic abilities to spy out what the Decepticons next move in battle would be. Instead of camoflauging himself as a rock or he camoflauges himself as a Decepticon.
(Here is where the confusion lays as it lists in the notes as 'either Insecticon or Jet' as they were the character models there could be multiples of at any one time).

Hound gets caught up in the evacuation in Astrotrain and ends up stuck there in his disguise. He ends up getting thrown out the airlock, still holographically camouflaged as either as a Seeker (Jet) or Insecticon.

When the formatting takes place, as the change animation happens you briefly see Hound's face appear between his holographic disguise disappearing and his new form emerging.

Unfortunately this storyline was cut from the final draft of the script, but you see the hangovers from it, such as there being two Cyclonus' (as they hadn't decided yet whether Hound would be an Insecticon or a Seeker when disguised) and why Cyclonus was written as the most honourable Decepticon in season 3, due to the fact he had been reformatted from an Autobot rather than a Decepticon.

There ya go, answered :)


This is truly a pointless discussion.

Well many of us have found it quite invigorating and enlightening :cool:

[Raider]

Seriously give it up. It is Bombshell. So much wasted time on a pointless discussion. Storyboard says Bombshell. We see Bombshell turn into Cyclonus. The seeker at the back (clearly Skywarp) was a useless seeker anyway so he can go on his way to oblivion. Bombshell = Cyclonus. Debate over.

[Trent]

That's still a matter of authorial intent vs final outcome. Even then this becomes fuzzy as it contradicts earlier versions of the script. And even in the final product we know that Bombshell appears in later scenes in the movie and he appears in Season 3. Skywarp does not. But then again, the clone thing...

I'm NOT saying that it's definitively one or the other. This is truly a pointless discussion. Just take your pick and go with it. If you want to believe that Cyclonus used to be Bombshell then more power to you. If you want to believe that he used to be Salvo, then go for it. And if you want to believe that he used to be Skywarp, then go nuts with that too.

Id say the authorial intent is pretty clear:

https://i.imgur.com/ZXpkGZV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R3YgM8w.jpg

Skywarp headcanon and theories in this case hold as much water as flat earthers and Area 51 nut jobs.

[GoktimusPrime]

Id say the authorial intent is pretty clear:
*sigh* That was never in dispute.

[UltraMarginal]

It’s only unresolvable if you deny Bombshell became Cyclonus. It’s right there. I showed my wife the storyboards and the scene from the movie. An outsider that has no clue about this and guess what? She said Bombshell is Cyclonus. Clear as day.

She then threw off her clothes and demanded I take her to bed immediately because nothing makes her hotter than seeing her mid-thirties husband engaged in an internet nerd argument!

LOL, I can't tell if you're delirious or just plain lying. Takes some of the credence out of pretty much every other statement you've ever made... just quietly.


I've never seen so many self righteous, virtue signalling, headless muppets running around in circles before.
Points to Trevor for an interesting head cannon. I don't see what the point of bringing up things like earlier versions of a script or toy catalogues or even future episodes of the TV show has to do with the content of the film?

Star Wars movie spoiler
Is there a discussion as to the identity of the old smuggler guy that gets skewered by Kylo Ren in the Star Wars movies? no, I didn't think so, is there a version of the script where it's someone else? maybe but it's irrelevant because it's Han Solo that cops it in the film.

Back to Transformers.
Is it bombshell? it looks like bombshell, is sound like bombshell and it tastes like bombshell, so it's probably bombshell, it even quacks like bombshell. And yes it's Cyclonus, not his Armada. Sure there's no up, down left or right in space, but there is still perspective and relative orientation. From the perspective of the Camera/Audience, it's Bombshell who is the primary focus of the shot, being introduced as Cyclonus.

So, what about all the future appearances of 'bombshell' who's to say they weren't originally a clone and bombshell transferred his consciousness before being ousted from Astrotrain, or maybe the clone was a 'premium' clone and just took on his position as the new bombshell once the original was out of the picture.

This nonsense about the characters fitting better the other way around. Your assuming that Unicron allowed some semblance of the original characters personality to remain. Perhaps that was only done for Megatron/Galvatron.
What of the suffering irony for Skywarp to now be forced to be subservient to a lowly Insecticon for the remainder of his existence, perhaps Unicron gained some sick enjoyment out of this suffering he caused.
Much the same that it was always a brutal irony that Megatron relied on his least trusted and liked Lieutenant to use him in his alt mode.
There is also no proving that Cyclonus' Armarda wasn't many characters; all clones of him, just that they were never shown on the screen again. Much the same if there was a jettison of dead weight from Astrotrain, there would have been many more near dead decepticons relieved of duty than those actually shown. Not everything in a movie has to happen on screen, to expect so is to expect to be pandered to at every turn (here's a participation ribbon), it can often be loosely implied with primary characters being shown to represent the many offscreen characters.

Bombshell became Cyclonus and Skywarp amongst others became his Armarda of nameless troops, never to be given a speaking role again.

good chat.

[KELPIE]

Question:

How many people are fighting for Skywarp or Bombshell because they had that toy as a kid?

[BigTransformerTrev]

Question:

How many people are fighting for Skywarp or Bombshell because they had that toy as a kid?

Ironically Bombshell was like my third ever TF as a kid and I didn’t get Skywarp until I became an adult collector.

Anyway, I thought we sorted this - it was Hound, definitely :cool:

[UltraMarginal]

I only ever had a Cyclonus

[griffin]

(some people just need to be careful about jumping in too seriously, in this VERY tongue-in-cheek discussion topic, which has a lot of ribbing among people who already know each other, to know that their comments about each other are in jest)



Next week's unresolvable topic.... Is Rumble red or blue (http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2007/03/20/03202007/)? :p

[Trent]

I only ever had a Cyclonus

Same.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Question:

How many people are fighting for Skywarp or Bombshell because they had that toy as a kid?


Ironically Bombshell was like my third ever TF as a kid and I didn’t get Skywarp until I became an adult collector.



I only ever had a Cyclonus


Same.

And just as Bombshell my second ever Decepticon, Cyclonus was my third.

By that pattern, Dirge should be Cyclonus since he was my first. Luckily we all know now it was a certain green jeep ;)


(some people just need to be careful about jumping in too seriously, in this VERY tongue-in-cheek discussion topic, which has a lot of ribbing among people who already know each other, to know that their comments about each other are in jest)

Oh I was quite serious when I inferred Trent thinks of me when betwixt the sheets. Not that I blame him - shows excellent taste on his part - I do too. Hence why I've always insisted on a mirror on the ceiling, so I could watch myself rather than whoever I was with - always such an intoxicating and alluring sight

[Sinnertwin]

Seriously give it up. It is Bombshell. So much wasted time on a pointless discussion. Storyboard says Bombshell. We see Bombshell turn into Cyclonus. The seeker at the back (clearly Skywarp) was a useless seeker anyway so he can go on his way to oblivion. Bombshell = Cyclonus. Debate over.

I love you.

And Rumble is red.

[BigTransformerTrev]

LOL, I can't tell if you're delirious or just plain lying. Takes some of the credence out of pretty much every other statement you've ever made... just quietly.


I've never seen so many self righteous, virtue signalling, headless muppets running around in circles before.
Points to Trevor for an interesting head cannon. I don't see what the point of bringing up things like earlier versions of a script or toy catalogues or even future episodes of the TV show has to do with the content of the film?

Star Wars movie spoiler
Is there a discussion as to the identity of the old smuggler guy that gets skewered by Kylo Ren in the Star Wars movies? no, I didn't think so, is there a version of the script where it's someone else? maybe but it's irrelevant because it's Han Solo that cops it in the film.

Back to Transformers.
Is it bombshell? it looks like bombshell, is sound like bombshell and it tastes like bombshell, so it's probably bombshell, it even quacks like bombshell. And yes it's Cyclonus, not his Armada. Sure there's no up, down left or right in space, but there is still perspective and relative orientation. From the perspective of the Camera/Audience, it's Bombshell who is the primary focus of the shot, being introduced as Cyclonus.

So, what about all the future appearances of 'bombshell' who's to say they weren't originally a clone and bombshell transferred his consciousness before being ousted from Astrotrain, or maybe the clone was a 'premium' clone and just took on his position as the new bombshell once the original was out of the picture.

This nonsense about the characters fitting better the other way around. Your assuming that Unicron allowed some semblance of the original characters personality to remain. Perhaps that was only done for Megatron/Galvatron.
What of the suffering irony for Skywarp to now be forced to be subservient to a lowly Insecticon for the remainder of his existence, perhaps Unicron gained some sick enjoyment out of this suffering he caused.
Much the same that it was always a brutal irony that Megatron relied on his least trusted and liked Lieutenant to use him in his alt mode.
There is also no proving that Cyclonus' Armarda wasn't many characters; all clones of him, just that they were never shown on the screen again. Much the same if there was a jettison of dead weight from Astrotrain, there would have been many more near dead decepticons relieved of duty than those actually shown. Not everything in a movie has to happen on screen, to expect so is to expect to be pandered to at every turn (here's a participation ribbon), it can often be loosely implied with primary characters being shown to represent the many offscreen characters.

Bombshell became Cyclonus and Skywarp amongst others became his Armarda of nameless troops, never to be given a speaking role again.

good chat.

Well done! :D

All I can say is you came into this thread like a...


https://youtu.be/My2FRPA3Gf8

[GoktimusPrime]

https://i.ibb.co/cwcV8kw/temp.jpg

Question:

How many people are fighting for Skywarp or Bombshell because they had that toy as a kid?
I've had both since I was a kid, so... <shrugs>
https://i.ibb.co/1nVMqxV/temp.jpg

[Raider]

So I did a little more digging and as it turns out it is likley the case that we were all correct! Both Bombshell and Skywarp become Cyclonus as they merged into the one bot. Kinda surprised by that outcome but I guess it does work.

[UltraMarginal]

I'm going to need a reference for that statement...

[Raider]

I'm going to need a reference for that statement...

The man who wrote the movie itself, Ron Friedman. We are email buddies so I just asked his view and among other things that were said, "They merge to become one as Cyclonus because neither can dominate the other." Now, is that a full proof explanation? Of course not. Is there some holes in it? Sure. But this is a comment from the guy who wrote the thing. If he says they merged into one, then I am happy to live with that.

[Sinnertwin]

Oh please, the guy's 87 years old.
He was probably over the moon someone knew who he was and took time out of their day to talk to him.
No doubt you probably also led with "Remember when you wrote the script and Bombshell and Skywarp merged into one? ...

[Raider]

Oh please, the guy's 87 years old.
He was probably over the moon someone knew who he was and took time out of their day to talk to him.
No doubt you probably also led with "Remember when you wrote the script and Bombshell and Skywarp merged into one? ...

Actually I led with, "you know how Skywarp turned into Cyclonus and Bombshell into a Sweep." Shame he didn't agree :p

And for an 87 year old bloke he has a far sharper wit than you my dull-witted acquaintance. :p

[DELTAprime]

Looks like Hasbro is taking a side in this argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGNJEyYz17k

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Looks like Hasbro is taking a side in this argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGNJEyYz17k

That was amusing, but they need a part two as the sweeps say they're all Insecticons, yet they also claim Bombshell is Cyclonus[/COLOR] That math don't add up!

[MayzaPrime]

Looks like Hasbro is taking a side in this argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGNJEyYz17k

That was great!

[Dan]

I'm the only person in the world who thinks that Reflector became the Sweeps and that the Insecticons survived to eat refuse and wildlife on Chaar. :)

[Magnus]

Looks like Hasbro is taking a side in this argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGNJEyYz17k

Not only was this an 'official' Hasbro short, but it was co-written by Flint Dille, the 1986 movie's story consultant.

[Seraphim Prime]

That was amusing, but they need a part two as the sweeps say they're all Insecticons, yet they also claim Bombshell is Cyclonus[/COLOR] That math don't add up!


Bombshell is actually the Sweep asking the questions, trying to sow chaos!

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Bombshell is actually the Sweep asking the questions, trying to sow chaos!

Ha ha ha, Oh I like that!