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griffin
4th February 2020, 06:37 AM
After a 5 year gap, the iconic Transformers convention called BotCon is coming back.
It's only an initial announcement and it doesn't say much, like if it is supported or endorsed by Hasbro, or where it will be.
It does have a couple of old names in the new team though.
https://www.allspark.com/2020/02/its-official-botcon-is-back/
griffin
4th February 2020, 10:16 AM
I'm cautiously optimistic because two of the three names involved are Karl Hartman and Andrew Hall... but it didn't have anything noting Hasbro involvement, which they would have been the ones issuing a press release. And they need Hasbro for the toy displays, the presentation panel and importantly, exclusive toys. Having guests and a dealer room will be enough to get in Americans but it needs the Hasbro element to get long distant fans to fly in.
A year and a half will be a long wait, but if I go, it will be great to see the old "family" again.
Great timing though with HK losing its appeal.
Raider
4th February 2020, 10:54 AM
As a fan that has never been to Botcon, this is very welcome news. If they manage to pull this off and the timing works, I might actually be able to go!
DaptoDog
4th February 2020, 11:08 AM
As a fan that has never been to Botcon, this is very welcome news. If they manage to pull this off and the timing works, I might actually be able to go!
Here here! I'm most interested in the timing and location. If I can make it work where it lines up with other family interests (NBA season, Disneyworld etc) then it's an easier sell.
BigTransformerTrev
4th February 2020, 11:29 AM
As a fan that has never been to Botcon, this is very welcome news. If they manage to pull this off and the timing works, I might actually be able to go!
Yeah I’ve never been either.
Here here! I'm most interested in the timing and location. If I can make it work where it lines up with other family interests (NBA season, Disneyworld etc) then it's an easier sell.
I’d like to go solo but now my kids are older and my son is so into TFs there is no way I could go without taking the family
Bladestorm
4th February 2020, 11:55 AM
I always wanted to go to a Botcon but never got the chance so this is exciting and welcome news.
Depending on the guests, timing and location of this I may very well be interested in trying to fly across. I hope they are able to release dates and location sooner rather than later so planning can be easier for those having to travel longer distances.
Raider
4th February 2020, 12:22 PM
I’d like to go solo but now my kids are older and my son is so into TFs there is no way I could go without taking the family
We are doing the whole Disneyland trip with the kids next year and visiting a friend in Missouri so with a bit of luck the location and time will fall into those plans. My eldest wouldn't speak to me if I went without him!
UltraMarginal
4th February 2020, 12:58 PM
So far, according to the seibertron article is unofficial. Which makes sense given how it's been announced. I really do hope that changes.
Deonasis
4th February 2020, 06:23 PM
Good. Hopefully this is a better version that has risen from Botcon ashes.
Generation Selects has done some nifty items but nothing that resembles ‘a set’. It would be nice if Botcon can work with GS to nail the production of exclusives.
reillyd
5th February 2020, 02:06 PM
If they have convention exclusive toys I'm in. I'm already itching for an excuse to visit Star Wars Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland, and another Botcon would do it. Don't see how they could do this without Hasbro's or Takara's support though...... and unless it was given their blessing before the announcement was made, I think it would probably burn bridges rather than build them with Hasbro.
griffin
7th February 2020, 10:26 PM
Finally some first-hand info has come out (https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/botcon-returns-in-2021.1188229/page-31#post-17634205), and I'm not as excited now...
Bret Lovell answers some peoples questions about the new Botcon at about the 1 hour 8 minute mark of the Stasis Lock Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAFWcGwfOjE).
#1 Pete Sinclair is a stock holder in the BC Productions Company, but not a majority shareholder
#2 Bret Lovell is the Manager of BC Productions
#3 Karl Hartman is involved in the process of planning and running the show
#4 Bret wants Botcon to be AFFORDABLE and to bring it back to the Pre-2001 days
#5 Night Shining is a Licensee to sell Botcon Product. They are a separate show.
#6 Bret is open to Licensing out the name to others for other products.
#7 This is a continuation of Botcon, not a start over.
#8 Night Shining was the first company to approach them to sell product, so that 's why they have Botcon merchandise for sale.
#9 BC Productions started within the last month, so everything is happening fast.
#10 Primal Sabbath is involved in making the Botcon Product Guide.
#11 The name of the main author of the Product Guide is currently being withheld.
#12 Bret's goal is avoid previous mistakes made by previous Botcon companies.
So it sounds like a group of fans (I still have no idea who Bret Lovell is, as I've never heard of him before), put together enough money to buy the rights to the BotCon trademark from FunPublications & register a new BotCon company, and plan to use the name for merchandising, not just conventions... which means we could see the BotCon brand be licensed out around the world on events and products.
The first licensed "BotCon" merchandise will be a guidebook of past BotCon products, to be sold at Pete's Robocon in a few months time. (as noted above, Pete is one of the shareholders of the new BotCon company, with his existing company "Night Shining" (which does the RoboCon event) being the one first using the name).
As a fan of BotCon, I'm not too excited about the name being a money-maker, being slapped onto all sorts of things for a fee... particularly if they aren't being sold at a BotCon event as BotCon merchandise.
It's still very early, so I'll wait a little longer to see, and hope that this is something that Hasbro get involved with, if it really is a "continuation of BotCon".
reillyd
8th February 2020, 12:21 AM
Now I'm even more confused. How could you 'license' Botcon for merchandising? Just slap there word botcon on shirts and hats to sell, what, dozens? I thought it was somewhat bizarre when I clicked on the store link (I was hoping for a cache of unsold past botcon toys) and saw the shirts. I assumed it was just a prelude to what might be coming, and not the entirety of their efforts
griffin
8th February 2020, 01:23 PM
Now I'm even more confused. How could you 'license' Botcon for merchandising? Just slap there word botcon on shirts and hats to sell, what, dozens? I thought it was somewhat bizarre when I clicked on the store link (I was hoping for a cache of unsold past botcon toys) and saw the shirts. I assumed it was just a prelude to what might be coming, and not the entirety of their efforts
That's what I don't get either. I know that "BotCon" is an iconic concept or word, but only really among a small number of hardcore Transformers fans, so licensing it out for producing non-toy merchandise, seems a little weird. Even during BotCon's golden periods, around about 2000-2002 and 2007-2011, when it was more positive than negative, prompting most fans to consider it the one event they needed to attend at least once in their lives.... there wasn't really a demand for non-toy items with "BotCon" written on them. I went to all but one BotCon since 1999 and was always buying stuff at the convention for others back here in Australia, but very rarely did I get requests for non-toy BotCon items. And those non-toy items weren't being requested because they had BotCon on them, but because of what they were or what they had on them (like comics, stickers, shot glasses or hats that just had regular Transformers logos on them).
griffin
21st February 2020, 07:41 PM
The first of the official BotCon merchandise comes out this year, which includes....
- the first volume of the BotCon product guide (two cover versions - Pete's Robocon version and regular version),
- 4 different Tshirts (each has "BotCon Est 1994" on the front - blue one with first BotCon logo for the regular pack, red one with first logo sold by Pete's RoboCon, blue/grey one with 3H era Logo sold by Pete's RoboCon, black one with FunPub era logo for the RoboCon pack)
- a convention badge similar to what they had at BotCon 1994 (part of the regular pack)
- a lanyard with BotCon on it (part of the RoboCon pack)
With the 2021 BotCon now being noted as being during our Winter (mid-year), a little over a year away from a convention full of expensive limited BotCon souvenirs, we are already being bombarded with limited expensive BotCon souviners, as if there is a demand for them without a convention to commemorate them with.
(if someone obsessed with BotCon like me who attended 16 of them and has almost every BotCon toy and non-toy item ever produced, has almost no interest in non-convention items (I'll get the product guide, as it covers the toys that I collected), what chance do they have at selling these to Transformers fans who have been to less BotCons, or none at all - even FunPublications had the sense to only sell exclusive toys outside of the annual convention, and if they didn't sell at the event, they didn't sell out on their website later)
Pete's RoboCon is in June (https://nightshininginc.com/robocon), at the same hotel as the final BotCon in 2016 (Louisville Kentucky), for that exclusive version of the product guide along with three different t-shirts and a lanyard.... while the regular edition of the product guide comes as a pack with the t-shirt and convention badge have been listed on BBTS, for a very hefty US$75 (https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/117184).
Judging by the description of the 144 page soft cover book, it is only covering the 180-odd toy exclusives... but maybe a planned 2nd volume will cover non-toy exclusive items, like t-shirts, posters, comics, trading cards, etc.
This special "1994" edition of BotCon Beyond The Convention: The Ultimate Product Guide, is only available at BigBadToyStore! The 144-page, softcover book has an exclusive cover featuring Generation 2 Breakdown and is limited to only 300 copies.
Each book will be bundled with a limited edition BotCon 1994 throwback T-shirt, and a limited edition BotCon 1994 inspired attendee pin. The t-shirt is based on the original purple t-shirt design. The attendee pin is like the original design and will feature the number 127 because the very first BotCon had 126 total attendees. The t-shirt and pin will only be available in this BBTS Exclusive bundle.
Every year during its tenure from 1994 to 2016, the BotCon conventions offered fans the chance to purchase new and exciting exclusive action figures to add to their collections or take home as extra special souvenirs. Over 180 of these exclusives were produced during those 22 years, ranging from repainted figures to full redecos to re-sculpted parts to fully new accessories and action figures only available at the events!
BotCon Beyond The Convention: The Ultimate Product Guide Volume 1 is set to be the first publication to collect and catalog every single exclusive and provide a comprehensive guide to every figure sold by 3H, Men In Black, OTFCC, and Fun Publications. Volume 1 showcases the figures, accessories, and convention memorabilia with clear and clean photography letting these amazing collectors’ pieces have the perfect display to dazzle. In addition to that, there will be over 16 pages of behind the scenes and in progress images of the various levels of production of a BotCon exclusive.
Whether reliving nostalgia or fawning over what collectors may deem as “a grail”, BotCon Beyond The Convention Volume 1 will be a remarkable reference for toy fanatics everywhere!
Product Features
Softcover book
144 Pages
Limited edition of 300
By James M. Kavanaugh, Jr. and Dakota Rabörn
Throwback T-Shirt based on the original 1994 design (Sizes Small to 3X)
Limited edition 1994 Attendee Pin #127
BBTS exclusive bundle
The products being sold by Pete's RoboCon...
- The pre-BotCon party registration pack (https://nightshiningllc.com/products/robocon-2020-registration-w-botcon-2021-pre-party-exclusive-pack) (US$98), Admission and Friday night party, with exclusive version of the BotCon book (also limited to 300 copies - a total of 600 being sold), exclusive t-shirt (black version) and exclusive lanyard (different to any that were used at the different BotCons).
- red version t-shirt (https://nightshiningllc.com/products/botcon-classic-est-1994-t-shirt-limited-edition) (US$19)
- blue/grey version t-shirt (https://nightshiningllc.com/products/botcon-modern-est-1994-t-shirt) (US$20)
griffin
10th May 2020, 08:06 PM
The company that now owns the BotCon trademark, has listed a lot of the old FunPub magazines and comics on their online store (https://nightshiningllc.com/collections/all?page=1), but as bundles though, so if you are desperately wanting just one or two missing issues, you will have to buy a lot of others with it... but they are heavily discounted though, from their original prices.
Their main page notes that the Robocon is now listed as being on July 24-25, which is a month later than originally planned. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being cancelled though, as a month shouldn't see much difference in the situation over there.
reillyd
11th May 2020, 09:11 PM
I realise that setting convention dates and locations probably isn't high on everyone's priority right now given the number of comic and toy conventions being cancelled in the last month, but I really hope that this is set sufficiently far in the future that it doesn't get canned too. I have only been to one Botcon, but it was a magical experience. After such a epic fail that was 2020, I think we can all use a little hope and dream right now.
griffin
26th July 2020, 09:42 PM
The virtual version of this year's Robocon has revealed the first of next year's BotCon exclusives... and it is not something I was expecting.
The Robocon conventions have had their own exclusive toys in the past, with their custom classes using current retail toys (which I think they go around to stores to buy up), to then custom paint.... but it was always going to be a wait and see on if the new BotCon was going to be selling exclusive toys, and if they did, would they be officially produced toys from Hasbro, or something unlicensed/unauthorised (like 3rd party redecos that other conventions like TFCon has).
The new company producing BotCon appears to be an official distributor/source of some other toys, and this first BotCon exclusive is using one of those toys (a futuristic soldier) done in Waspinator colours and calling it Wasp Raider (https://www.facebook.com/BotConOfficial/posts/4315248465182246).
Unless they have managed to get some exclusive toys from Hasbro, I'm not sure how I feel about this sort of thing... having non-Transformers toy moulds done in Transformers colourings. The "Only Human" toys were okay because they were based on something in the cartoon, but this just doesn't look right.
I know that the 2004 Actionmaster Breakdown toy was not official or authorised, and I don't count it as part of my official collection count, but I just don't know how I would feel having a lot more BotCon toys that don't count as Transformers (if they didn't get anything produced by Hasbro).
And if they did get toys done by Hasbro for the convention (which should be possible, as any business entity can ask for a promotional exclusive, as long as they can pay for them), why not show them off first, to generate more excitement than this sort of non-Transformers toy.
Opinions seem mixed on TFW (https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/botcon-2021-first-exclusive-reveal.1197521/), so it could have been more positive if they started off with something more "traditional".
griffin
26th July 2020, 10:11 PM
In all honesty, I am really confused over the background of this toy and where it is from.
It is being produced by someone who sells toys under the label of Action Force (http://valaverse.com/), which many of us 80s fans would remember being the name for GIJoe in the UK.
Independent toy company Valaverse, founded and owned by former Hasbro designer Bobby Vala
From what I can tell, these new Action Figure toys have nothing to do with the original GIJoe, and I would have thought that Hasbro would still own the trademark, since they were referenced in the IDW Revolutionaries comic a couple years ago.
My guess is that these people who are doing "Action Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Force#Valaverse_(2019-present))" toys are doing them without authorisation or licensing (their site doesn't mention any licensing or owner company like Hasbro), making them 3rd party toys... which was something that the previous administrators of BotCon were very opposed to anything to do with 3rd party toys.
I supposed the business that now owns the BotCon trademark does not have the same problem with unauthorised toys, which will mean that Hasbro won't have anything to do with the event (like having an exhibit or presentation), and a lot of the people I knew from BotCon won't attend, making the event no different to any other Transformers fan convention that wasn't BotCon of old. :(
griffin
26th July 2020, 10:40 PM
From Pete on TFW (https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/botcon-2021-first-exclusive-reveal.1197521/page-4#post-18137949), correcting one of my suspicions...
Hey! Just to clarify. Action Force is a trademarked name of a toy line produced by Valaverse. Just as there are numerous robot toy lines, Kaiju lines, superhero lines, this is an original IP based on ‘fantasy’ military fighting forces. Their most recent announcement before today that caused quite the stir was Valaverse’s partnership with Sgt. Slaughter. That’s right... The Sarge is part of Action Force now!
So no, nothing has changed with BotCon and the way it approaches unlicensed ‘3rd party’ products. Partnerships will only be with brands that are considered original IP’s and/or are protected by trademark. That has always been and will continue to be very important to BotCon.
If Valaverse owns the trademark of Action Force now, it doesn't seem obvious on their website. But if what he says is true, they will only be using legitimate toys and providers... and with the mention of Robot toys coming, maybe they have got something from Hasbro after all.
Pete's comment a few posts later suggests it could just be a case of Transformers character colours on robotic toys produced by other legitimate companies, so I wonder how that will look to Hasbro. After all, current 3rd party toys are representations of Transformers characters on non-Hasbro moulds as well, from companies that may well produce their own legitimate toys.
This is a stand alone exclusive. There will be other lines that BotCon looks to partner with though.
At the very least, keeping their convention free of unauthorised toys leaves the door open to having Hasbro involved at the event with presentations.
Post #83 at the link above (https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/botcon-2021-first-exclusive-reveal.1197521/page-5#post-18138496) tries to explain the legalities of this "Action Force" toy & toyline, which helps make some sense of the situation...
the 1980s "G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero" toyline was released under the name "Action Force" in the UK. However:
1) I'm not sure if Hasbro ever trademarked the name in the United States at all, considering it was (to my knowledge) only used in Europe. Trademarks need to be secured and protected for each market individually. There is no such thing as automatic worldwide trademark protection.
2) Unlike copyrights that last until 70 years following the death of the creator, trademarks have a very short expiration date. You don't use it, you lose it. Very quickly. So unless Hasbro has released anything under the name "Action Force" in recent years, they have no claim to the name, and Night Shining/whoever could have secured it with no problem whatsoever.
Trent
27th July 2020, 01:14 PM
That is just sad.
TFCon is the official unofficial convention now. It’s run by people that are actually competent and have numerous shows in the US and Canada.
I ask you, as a legitimate question, what can Botcon offer? All I can think is that he’s trying his best to get the licence back.
griffin
27th July 2020, 04:37 PM
That is just sad.
TFCon is the official unofficial convention now. It’s run by people that are actually competent and have numerous shows in the US and Canada.
I ask you, as a legitimate question, what can Botcon offer? All I can think is that he’s trying his best to get the licence back.
I have been interested in trying out a TFCon in recent years, and the one that was meant to be in Florida a few months ago was one I was keen to go to... it was just it's heavy focus on unauthorised 3rd party toys that kept putting me off the event. It seemed to have more events at the "Transformers" convention that were covering non-Transformers than actual Transformers. It really should be called TPCon (3rd Party Con).
If BotCon doesn't end up having any Hasbro involvement (exclusive toys or presentations), then the only thing that would really be doing it for me is seeing people I know from previous BotCons... which I doubt too many will attend if this new version of BotCon is too much different to what it used to be.
If they can draw in a lot of the regular dealers, and a good line up of guests, along with the more social events from previous years, it would make it more worthwhile going regardless of the name. Things like the Saturday night dinner, local tours, art contest, and the custom class.
Trent
27th July 2020, 11:32 PM
I was looking at heading over to a TFCon a little while ago (I’ve since given up on that idea) and the guest line ups are actually pretty good. It had actually gotten to the stage where Hasbro endorsement was the only way in which it appeared that Botcon was leading. In all other respects TFCon would be a bigger show.
It’s such a shame that we are on the other side of the world from them. As much as I think they were incompetently run, a Botcon would have been a great item to tick off the bucket list. But I just can’t see it being worth it anymore and will be surprised if this new one survives more than 2 or so years without Hasbro coming back onboard.
reillyd
31st July 2020, 08:09 PM
That really is a sad looking action figure to begin with.
Just to clarify for those who haven?t studied their pop culture toy history and have ?real lives? to spend time in,
Hasbro didn?t own Action Force.
UK toy manufacturer Palitoy started Action Force as their own brand / own IP, and produced original figures and vehicles. They also licensed G.I. Joe toys and manufacturered them, usually recolouring /repainting them. They even had their own comics (not the Marvel UK one, but something that predates it). They eventually decided to just do straight re-releases as there were no design costs then, and G.I. Joe?s team became part of Action Force. Then the Marvel UK strip in the TF magazine, then Action Force comic, etc.
Neither Palitoy nor Hasbro maintained the trademark, so the people behind Valaverse decided to trademark it. It?s a new line of toys, aimed at 6? collectors, and again PREDATES the Hasbro move into G.I. Joe 6 inch. Valaverse/Action Force is *why* we now see Gi Joe 6 inch toys, because Hasbro saw a competitor moving into this scale.
I don?t thing he really looks that much like a transforming wasp, and its more an homage. Just like other toy companies often do repaint nods (4Horsemen have MOTU coloured figures sometimes). It?s no more different than Hasbro doing an homage on a Studio Series figure they couldn?t get a vehicle license deal for.
griffin
10th May 2021, 08:23 PM
BotCon 2021 has been officially postponed (cancelled) until 2022.
Some of the team that now owns the BotCon trademark, have done a podcast (up on youtube here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeqTMnUWVVQ)), that goes for about an hour and a half... noting that they are not the ones doing the convention next year, as they are just licensing out the name to some unnamed entity that apparently hasn't been involved in running a BotCon before. It sounds like the trademark owners would still be there to approve or veto elements of the convention though, just like Hasbro would with any of their licenses.
A rundown of the podcast from here (https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/botcon-returns-in-2021.1188229/page-43#post-19111793)....
**4 minutes in = News Talk and explanation, featuring BotCon this week! Chatter about what Podcasts they will be doing together soon.
**6 minutes in = Q: Who is NOT involved with BotCon?
Bret Lovell: BC Productions was approached by another “company” to organize and host a BotCon. This company is NOT associated with anyone who has EVER organized and hosted BotCon in the past. Pete has own company doing his own thing. Is 100% NOT apart of. Night Shinning is Pete’s company. 8 mins in explains what Pete/Night Shinning does. 11 mins in, BotCon can’t be used by just ANYONE. BC Productions owns it now.
Q: Who are the people involved in BotCon now?
Can’t say, no reason given!! BL: Expresses love of the BotCon convention, etc. Connecting with friends and fans, across international lines.
**15 minutes in = talk about the group who IS organizing the Convention but no names, just declaring they are fans.
**16 minutes in = Andrew Hall confirmed member of BC Productions. What he does for BC Productions. What the Convention long goals are. NO PEZ dispensers here!
**19 minutes in = Q: Plans for next years Convention?
BL: yes. He does not want the first show to be limited. Everyone should be able to come not just locals. Anyone from anywhere. Without long lasting consequences or quarantines afterwards. Waiting for that. Wants it to be better than it was, above and beyond.
BotCon memory chatter.
**26 minutes in = BL: talks about what BotCons he went to. Convention talk.
**29 minutes in = Q: Is the new incarnation going to be a lot like what we had? Exclusives, guests, structure?
BL: Does not want to dilute by over doing. Not wanting to reinvent the wheel. Want to cater to a verity of fans. Questions he asked Brian Savage. Doesn’t want to exclude anyone for any reason. Trying to find the happy medium to make most people happy. Not everyone but majority of people happy.
**33 minutes in = BL: confirms was the person responsible to postpone show for 2021 after Covid-19 lockdown. Did NOT want to do a virtual show. Returned any money that was given? Talks about responsibility and postponing event.
**37 minutes in = Working hard to get INFORMATION out there. ASAP!! Want people to be able to plan ASAP. Announcements as soon as its reasonably possible, will publish dates and such. Expressing intention to learn from PAST iterations mistakes!
**40 minutes in = Podcast Host relays calling Hotel to get info before the info was released.
**44 minutes in = Convention memories, debate over details of which convention had “such and such?”
**45 minutes in = What Bret wants to do is put up a survey, When and Where would you like to have the next BotCon for 2022??! What time of year and what place? Decent sized city, big hotel, nearby Airport accessibility, possibly attractions for the family, all important points they will consider.
Convention memories chatter.
**51 minutes in = Ask questions in the show comments below. Bret is asking to go for it, ask away on where you want to go and what time of the year.
*Chatter and interaction with the live chat on potential places.
*More convention memories chatter, lasts for a bit but great details of fun times. Talk on convention pins. Rest of show is all the chatter details of memories, pins, figures, of mostly FunPub era of BotCon.
**1 hr 24 minutes in = Podcast wrap. Details on what is next and where you can follow hosts and guests.
Trent
12th May 2021, 08:10 PM
Pete Sinclair has been (arguably deservedly) copping a flogging on Twitter because it has come out that he’s still heavily involved behind the scenes and given his apparently history with how he and his crew treated certain members of the fandom at BotCons. A Twitter search of his name made for very interesting reading.
griffin
12th May 2021, 08:57 PM
I think if the fandom, and more importantly the Hartmans, was able to get over what Glen Hallit did back in 2003 (according to a meet up at a recent Robocon), the fandom should just try to put the last chapter behind us, and look towards the future... particularly if Pete isn't the primary person involved in the next chapter. Besides, he's the one who has the most on-hand experience at the moment of the current people, with time on the bigger FunPub events and keeping up his experience with Robocon since BotCon ended. We need some element of reliability to the hosting of a new event to risk spending a lot of money to attend it.
I've seen how Pete had turned on fans in the later years of FunPub, but I saw a lot of it being a result of online targeting of FunPub, and he was the main fan contact and promoter to fansites... some of it was deserved (directed at the main FunPub guys who weren't Transformers fans), but Pete would be the one who had to defend a lot of what the main FunPub guys were doing (oblivious of what Transformers fans wanted), so you can only take so much hate and criticism (meant for someone else who doesn't interact with the fandom) before you start taking it personally and fight back... and end up in a downward spiral of escalating issues.
I'm not justifying what he may or may not have done in recent years, but as a long time member of the BotCon community, I remember how he was in the early years of his involvement with BotCon... he was a really nice guy, and I would have missed out on several things
thanks to his personal involvement or intervention.
griffin
10th December 2021, 12:34 AM
Still no word on if there and when there will be a 2022 event (that I can see), but at the end of November they announced more BotCon labelled merchandise (https://nightshiningllc.com/collections/black-friday), for fans of the BotCon Brand.
It includes a couple of us$180 jackets... which seems like an expensive extravagant item for a fairly niche audience.
Probably of note is an exclusive (unlicensed) bonus item for some items, of Vok floating heads from Beast Wars, done in cloudy translucent plastic.
(looking on their news page, it was something from the 2021 Robocon event (https://nightshiningllc.com/blogs/news/robocon-2021-workshop-general-admission))
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