How much of G1 would you like to see done as CHUG toys?

[GoktimusPrime]

Note: Just for the purposes of this discussion, we're going to use the "Age of Distinction" model (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php/27132-How-would-you-prefer-the-original-Generation-1-era-to-be-divided) of dividing G1.

Here is a list of Hasbro G1 toys. I will be checking off the ones that have already been made as CHUG toys in blue. Toys that exist in CHUG but as a convention or figure subscription service exclusive are marked in red.
Please let me know if I've missed any.

Early G1 (1984-87)
(Golden Age; 1984-85)
Optimus Prime
Bluestreak
Jazz
Hound
Ironhide
Mirage
Prowl
Ratchet
Sideswipe
Sunstreaker
Trailbreaker
Wheeljack
Brawn
Bumblebee
"Bumblejumper"/"Bumper"
Cliffjumper
Gears
Huffer
Windcharger
Megatron
Soundwave
Buzzsaw
Laserbeak
Frenzy
Ravage
Rumble
Skywarp
Starscream
Thundercracker
Jetfire
Omega Supreme
Blaster
Grapple
Hoist
Inferno
Red Alert
Skids
Smokescreen
Tracks
Perceptor
Beachcomber
Cosmos
Powerglide
Seaspray
Warpath
Roadbuster
Whirl
Grimlock
Slag
Sludge
Snarl
Swoop
Topspin
Twin Twist
Camshaft
Downshift
Overdrive
Powerdasher (Aragon)
Powerdasher (Cromar)
Powerdasher (Zetar)
Shockwave
Dirge
Ramjet
Thrust
Astrotrain
Blitzwing
Bombshell
Kickback
Shrapnel
Barrage
Chop Shop
Ransack
Venom
Bonecrusher
Long Haul
Hook
Mixmaster
Scavenger
Scrapper
Mini Spy (Buggy)
Mini Spy (Porsche)
Mini Spy (Jeep)
Mini Spy (Toyota)

(Silver Age; 1986-87)
Rodimus Prime
Ultra Magnus
Wreck Gar
Blurr
Hot Rod
Kup
Broadside
Sandstorm
Springer
Metroplex
Sky Lynx
Hubcap
Outback
Pipes
Swerve
Tailgate
Wheelie
Eject
Ramhorn
Rewind
Steeljaw
Air Raid
Fireflight
Silverbolt
Skydive
Slingshot
Blades
First Aid
Groove
Hot Spot
Streetwise
Galvatron
Cyclonus
Scourge
Octane
Gnaw
Trypticon
Runabout
Runamuck
Breakdown
Dead End
Drag Strip
Motormaster
Wildrider
Blast-Off
Brawl
Onslaught
Swindle
Vortex
Divebomb
Headstrong
Rampage
Razorclaw
Tantrum
Ratbat
Spectro
Spyglass
Viewfinder
Fortress Maximus
Brainstorm
Chromedome
Hardhead
Highbrow
Blurr (Targetmaster)
Hot Rod (Targetmaster)
Kup (Targetmaster)
Crosshairs
Pointblank
Sureshot
Cloudraker
Fastlane
Punch/Counterpunch
Doublecross
Grotusque
Repugnus
Afterburner
Lightspeed
Nosecone
Scattershot
Strafe
Chase
Freeway
Goldbug
Rollbar
Searchlight
Wideload
Scorponok
Apeface
Mindwipe
Skullcruncher
Snapdragon
Weirdwolf
Cyclonus (Targetmaster)
Scourge (Targetmaster)
Misfire
Slugslinger
Triggerhappy
Sixshot
Overkill
Slugfest
Pounce
Wingspan
Battletrap
Flywheels
Hun-Grrr
Blot
Cutthroat
Rippersnapper
Sinnertwin

Middle G1 (1989-90) Bronze Age
Optimus Prime (Powermaster)
Getaway
Joyride
Slapdash
Hosehead
Nightbeat
Siren
Landfill
Quickmix
Scoop
Catilla
Chainclaw
Cloudburst
Groundbreaker
Gunrunner
Landmine
Sky High (Pretender)
Splashdown
Waverider
Quickswitch
Backstreet
Dogfight
Override
Fizzle
Sizzle
Guzzle
Grand Slam
Raindance
Beastbox
Squawktalk
Darkwing
Dreadwind
Doubledealer
Fangry
Horri-Bull
Squeezeplay
Needlenose
Quake
Spinister
Bomb-Burst
Bugly
Carnivac
Finback
Iguanus
Roadgrabber
Skullgrin
Snarler
Submarauder
Crankcase
Ruckus
Windsweeper
Cindersaur
Flamefeather
Sparkstalker
Snaptrap
Tentakil
Nautilator
Seawing
Skalor
Overbite
Bumblebee (Pretender)
Grimlock (Pretender)
Jazz (Pretender)
Doubleheader
Longtooth
Pincher
Crossblades
Vroom
Skyhammer
Big Shot
Flak
Sidetrack
Sunrunner
High Jump
Mudslinger
Powertrain
Tote
Freewheeler
Roadhandler
Swindler
Tailspin
Fixit
Red Hot
Seawatch
Stakeout
Erector
Overload
Hot House
Ironworks
Countdown
Groundshaker
Thunderwing
Starscream (Pretender)
Bludgeon
Octopunch
Stranglehold
Birdbrain
Bristleback
Icepick
Scowl
Slog
Wildfly
Roadblock
Nightflight
Storm Cloud
Tailwind
Whisper
Blackjack
Detour
Hyperdrive
Roadhugger
Flattop
Roughstuff
Airwave
Greasepit
Skyhopper
Skystalker
Optimus Prime (Action Master)
Blaster (Action Master)
Bumblebee (Action Master)
Grimlock (Action Master)
Inferno (Action Master)
Jackpot
Jazz (Action Master)
Kick-Off
Mainframe
Over-Run
Prowl (Action Master)
Rad
Rollout
Skyfall
Snarl (Action Master)
Sprocket
Wheeljack (Action Master)
Gusher
Pipeline
Retro
Surge
Crumble
Groundpounder
Neutro
Takedown
Blaze Master
Eagle Eye
Sky High (Micromaster)
Tread Bolt
Big Daddy
Greaser
Hubs
Trip-Up
Big Hauler
Heavy Tread
Hydraulic
Slow Poke
Oiler
Power Run
Roadburner
Slide
Strikedown
Wheel Blaze
Barrage (Micromaster)
Blastmaster
Heave
Missilemaster
Moonrock
Phaser
Full-Barrel
Overflow
Axer
Banzai-Tron
Devastator (Action Master)
Gutcruncher
Krok
Megatron (Action Master)
Shockwave (Action Master)
Soundwave (Action Master)
Starscream (Action Master)
Treadshot
Bombshock
Dropshot
Growl
Tracer
Barricade
Ground Hog
Motorhead
Roller Force
Blackout
Spaceshot
Meltdown
Half-Track
Direct-Hit
Powerpunch
Fireshot
Vanquish
Excavator
Grit
Hammer
Knockout
Sledge
Stonecruncher
Cement-Head
Terror-Tread

Late G1 (1991-93) Dark Age
Powerflash
Sideswipe (Action Master)
Tracks (Action Master)
Circuit
Rumbler
Omega Spreem
Windmill
Gripper
Flame
Lightspeed (Motorvator)
Bombshell
Charger
Double Punch
Slicer
Take-Off
Thundercracker (Action Master)
Turbo Master
Overlord
Boss
Flash
Hurricane
Rotorstorm
Scorch
Thunder Clash
Rescue Force (jet)
Rescue Force 1 (claw tank)
Rescue Force 2 (dune buggy)
Rescue Force 3 (drill tank)
Falcon
Skydive (Predator)
Skyquake
Snare
Stalker
Talon
"Big Horn" (a.k.a. "Bonecrusher")
"Hooks" (a.k.a. "Hook")
"Heavy Lode" (a.k.a. "Long Haul")
"Eviscerater" (a.k.a. "Mixmaster")
"Desmond" (a.k.a. "Scavenger")
"Ventus Lamina" (a.k.a. "Scrapper")
Pyro/Spark
Deftwing
Ironfist
Aquafend
Deluge
Jetstorm
Speedstream
Rapido
Skram
Turbofire
Windbreaker
Colossus/Clench
Calcar
Fearswoop
Hawk/Eagle Eye
Snipe/Afterburner
Terradive
Tornado/Windrazor
Aquablast
Drench
Hydradread
Rage

[Paulbot]

You're missing quite a few Convention/Subscription toys (including Action Master Thundercracker!) and some of the Titan/Prime masters

This list is useful though for a counter arguement I want to make so hopefully others can help advise and make this complete

[Paulbot]

Nobody? Ok well

Add to the CHUG list

Hubcap (leaked)
Scorponok (coming soon)
Needlenose (Subscription service)
Ruckus (Subscription service)
Windsweeper (Subscription service)
Octopunch (Primemaster)
Banzai-Tron (BotCon)
Thundercracker Action Master (BotCon)
Scorch (Botcon)
Double Punch (Botcon)
Rapido (Botcon)
Skyquake (BotCon)

You could possibily add these but some might think the are not "CHUG enough", others would be using these toys in their collection
Steeljaw (War for Cybertron)
Hosehead (Cab, headonly, Titanmaster)
Dogfight (Adventure exclusive)
Crankcase (Movie Cybertron toy redo)
Octopunch (BotCon SG)
Banzai-Tron (2010 Movie/Generations line)
Ironfist (Subscription service "Fisitron")
Circuit (Subscription service)

[DELTAprime]

Someone, please quote this so Gok can see it.

As long as we are compiling a list here are the JP G1 characters that I have on my list that are unique moulds or repaints not available in the US and EU lines.

-JP Headmasters 1987-

-Cybertron Master Warriors-
Kirk
Lione
Loafer
Rodney
Shuffler
Toraizer

-Trainbots-
Getsuei
Kaen
Seizan
Shouki
Suiken
Yukikaze

-W Cassettebots-
Dile
Graphy
Noise
Saur

-Targetmasters-
Artfire (w/ Nightstick)
Stepper (w/ Nebulon)

-Communications Officers-
Soundblaster (w/ Buzzsaw)
Twincast (w/ Steeljaw)

-JP Masterforce 1988-

-Masterforce Warriors-
Aquastar
Bullet
Zetca

-Sparkdash-
Guzzle
Hardspark
Hotspark
Javil
Wildspark

-Destrons-
Browning

-Pretenders-
Metalhawk

-Six Changer-
Sixknight

-Godmasters-
Buster
Doubleclouder
Hydra
Ranger
Road King

-Armored Warrior-
Godbomber

-Godmaster Leaders-
Overlord (w/ Mega & Giga)
Super Ginrai

-Headmaster Juniors-
Goshooter
Minerva

-Headmasters-
Grand Maximus
BlackZarak
BlackRoritchi

-JP Victory 1989-

-Dinoforce-
Doryu
Gairyu
Goryu
Kakuryu
Rairyu
Yokuryu

-Multiforce-
Dashtacker
Machtackle
Wingwaver

-Breastforce-
Drillhorn (w/ Hornbreast)
Guyhawk (w/ Hawkbreast)
Hellbat (w/ K?moribreast)
Jallguar (w/ Jaguarbreast)
Killbison (w/ Bisonbreast)
Leozack (w/ Lionbreast)

-Brainmasters-
Blacker
Braver
Laster

-Armored Warrior-
Victory Leo

-Six Changer-
Greatshot

-Interstellar Transport-
Galaxy Shuttle

-Leaders-
Deszaras
Star Saber

-Crossformers-
Black Shadow
Blue Bacchus

-JP Zone 1990-

-Zone OVA pack-in-
Rabbicrater

-Metrosquad Leader-
Metrotitan (w/ Metrobomb,
Metrodash, Metroshot, Metrotank)

-Micro Transformers-
Battle Patrol Team
(Gunlift, Powerbomb)
(Sunrunner, Sidetrack
Super Car Patrol Team
(Black Heat, Ginham, Deadhour, Road Hugger)

-Bases (Micro Transformers)-
Gunrunner
Deadwheeler

-Micro Transformers Powered Masters-
Sonic Bomber
(w/ Sonic)
Dai Atlas
(w/ Speeder)
Roadfire
(w/ Drillbuster)

-Stations (Micro Transformers)-
Glasspit
Overair

Deluxe (Micro Transformers)
Missile Bull
Skywave

-JP Return of Convoy 1991-

-Cybertrons-
Grandus (w/ Spinner)
Sky Garry (w/ Shotbomber & Micro Trailer #0)
Star Convoy
(w/ Hot Rodimus & Micro Trailer)

-Micro Transformer 6 Team-
Sixliner
(Alan, D-Go, Joe, Leaf, Night, Spark)

-JP Operation Combination 1992-

-5-Robot Gestalts-
Battle Gaia
(Great Cannon, Leyland, Sandstorm, Shuttle Gunner, Target Hawk)
Guard City
(Fire Chief, Fly-Up, Safety, Sparkride, Streetstar)

-Micro Transformer 6-Robot Gestalts-
Sixbuilder
(Crush-Bull, Digger, Gran Arm, Iron Lift, Mixing, Treader)
Sixtrain
(Atlan, Converter, Desire, Raise, San D-Go, Windy)
Sixturbo
Road Police
(Circuit, Discharge, Glide, Neo-Wheel, Sireen)
Sixwing
(Chain Gun, Falcon, Flanker, Missile Run, Raker, Supersonic)

[Paulbot]

And from that list, many have CHUG toys including:

Shuffler
Shouki
Artfire (w/ Nightstick)
Stepper (w/ Nebulon)
Soundblaster (w/ Buzzsaw)
Metalhawk (primemaster)
Godbomber
Overlord (w/ Mega & Giga)
Super Ginrai
Minerva (titanmaster)
Grand Maximus
Kakuryu (United EX)
Drillhorn
Guyhawk
Hellbat
Jallguar
Killbison
Leozack
Deszaras
Black Shadow
Star Convoy
Road Police

[GoktimusPrime]

I embrace a lot of the older characters getting new figures, because a lot of the (now really old!) CHUG figures are starting to lose their lustre. Hell, some of those toys were themselves repaints and simple retools. Though getting to every nook and cranny of G1 is super cool and inevitable, I think having more definitive versions of existing characters (and just having more options really) is just as important, especially as the fandom expands. After all, if we’d stopped when a character first got represented, we’d be still stuck with the Springer repaint of Cybertron Evac, or Classics Voyager Megatron!
I definitely understand the desire to see "proper" CHUG toys done of previous toys that were repaints of moulds that just didn't work (e.g. Earthrise Cliffjumper etc.) - and there are still a number of toys that have technically been CHUGgified but could really do with better representations (i.e. not ill-fitting reuses of previous moulds) - e.g. Huffer & Pipes.

I don't object to Hasbro revisiting already CHUGgified toys - I did recently buy ER Sky Lynx and sold off my CW Sky Lynx; but on the other hand I held onto my Henkei Ironhide and Lambor and skipped their CW & Siege counterparts. <shrugs> I also skipped ER Wheeljack as I'm perfectly content with my United Wheeljack, even if he is a shared mould with Tracks (and I'm not saying that this always has to be a thing).

I guess I would prefer if HasTak prioritised characters who've yet to be CHUGgified first and then come back and revisit the already CHUGgified characters at a later point. Yeah, I really do want a better CHUG Huffer and Pipes, but I'd like to see a CHUG Hubcap, Sureshot, Pointblank etc. done first. Having said that, I wouldn't say no to a better CHUG Huffer or Pipes if they released them sooner either. For me, if they release a new CHUG toy of a character that's already CHUGged then it's a "maybe" for me, but if it's a new incarnation of a character that's never been CHUGged before, then it's a definite purchase. With rare exceptions like Grand Maximus because I just don't have the damn space for that thing! :o

[Tha_Phantom]

I guess I would prefer if HasTak prioritised characters who've yet to be CHUGgified first and then come back and revisit the already CHUGgified characters at a later point.

If I had a dollar for every time I read this. :rolleyes: It's not just you Gok, I've seen a few people repeat this sentiment.
The thing is, we will eventually get all those obscure characters I'm sure, but Hasbro also need to keep doing the ones that will be guaranteed to sell (your Primes, your Megatrons, your Starscreams, etc). We've been very fortunate to get things like CHUG combiners, clones, Allicons, Impactor, Powerdashers, Etc.
You yourself aren't a fan of the previous CHUG Cliffjumper as it's just a red Bumblebee, but technically it's a CHUG Cliffjumper, right? Likewise, I'm not all too impressed with some earlier CHUG figures such as Sunstreaker (either version of him) and am much looking forward to Earthrise. The other thing to keep in mind is people are coming and going from the fandom every year and may not have gotten previous versions of these characters. So there are many good reasons to keep giving us options of the more popular characters while also giving us more obscure characters.

[Paulbot]

The other thing to keep in mind is people are coming and going from the fandom every year and may not have gotten previous versions of these characters.

Good point. There are 13 year old Transformers fans today buying Earthrise Cliffjumper and Astrotrain who were not born when the first CHUG versions of those characters were on the shelf.

[GoktimusPrime]

Actually, upon closer analysis they are doing a near half half split nowadays between "old" and "new" CHUG characters. Although there is a 'size bias' with the smaller/cheaper end having many more "new" CHUG characters vs toys on the dearer/bigger end of the scale. We have lots of CHUG Micromasters now but seeing whole new big boxed toys come out in CHUG is not so common. And yes, I will grant that some of these boxed CHUGs are updates of previous CHUGs that bring something completely new to the table (e.g. ER Sky Lynx vs CW Sky Lynx).

Earthrise Wheeljack and Grapple don't interest me, because cosmetic differences aside, they don't bring anything substantially new to make me want to buy them when I already own the previous CHUG toys. I guess if they're going to redo a CHUG character then that toy is going to have to work harder to persuade me to purchase it over the existing toy. Sure, Earthrise Wheeljack and Grapple both do the same basic thing as my United Wheeljack and Grapple; they transform from robots that are immediately recognisable as these characters into vehicle modes which are also immediately identifiable as these characters. Sure, the ER toys have more G1-looking designs, but I don't need my CHUGs to be slavishly G1 accurate in looks (I find that kind of dull); if I want a more G1 accurate Wheeljack and Grapple then I have my G1 Wheeljack and Grapple to scratch that itch! :p And if I wanted to play with a more cartoon-like Wheeljack and Grapple toy, then I have my Masterpiece to scratch that itch. Basically the toy needs to offer me something that neither the previous CHUG or MP versions offer.

Case in point: Siege Ultra Magnus
This was my third CHUG Ultra Magnus, on top of owning MP Ultra Magnus, but I still bought him anyway. Why? Because that toy does something that no other Ultra Magnus toy anywhere offers. It has a fully articulated autonomous cab robot that can combine with its trailer to become an articulated armoured super robot. G1, Classics, CW, MP... no other UM does this. Just Siege.

So I guess it's all about new CHUG toys scratching a new itch. But if that character already has an existing toy (CHUG and/or MP), then there's a greater chance that this itch has been scratched. ;) Whereas a wholly new CHUG character toy is a no-brainer - just take my money! But yeah, it is true that Hasbro are releasing more new characters in CHUG than before.

I'd just like Hasbro to release more "new" characters for CHUG on the larger and more expensive end of---
https://i.ibb.co/xCPvs3Z/temp.jpg
...shut. Up. And. Take. My money!

[Tha_Phantom]

Actually, upon closer analysis they are doing a near half half split nowadays between "old" and "new" CHUG characters.

Well there you go, I think that's fair. When people insist on getting only or mostly new/obscure characters I think that's an unrealistic expectation, which I explained above.
I'm happy to skip some of the repeat figures too, since if I have it already in CW then that figure must take priority (since I display my combiners combined together). I was able to make an exception for Sunstreaker because he's a really important character to me. I couldn't for the likes of Hound or Trailbreaker, but at least I was able to get their mould partners that I didn't already have, being Hot Shot and Hoist respectively.
It doesn't bother me at all that they have been redone though. Other people want them so I'm happy for them and I'll enjoy the saving to my wallet. ;)

[Unicran]

We are a helpful community, here you go. :)

Someone, please quote this so Gok can see it.

As long as we are compiling a list here are the JP G1 characters that I have on my list that are unique moulds or repaints not available in the US and EU lines.

-JP Headmasters 1987-

-Cybertron Master Warriors-
Kirk
Lione
Loafer
Rodney
Shuffler
Toraizer

-Trainbots-
Getsuei
Kaen
Seizan
Shouki
Suiken
Yukikaze

-W Cassettebots-
Dile
Graphy
Noise
Saur

-Targetmasters-
Artfire (w/ Nightstick)
Stepper (w/ Nebulon)

-Communications Officers-
Soundblaster (w/ Buzzsaw)
Twincast (w/ Steeljaw)

-JP Masterforce 1988-

-Masterforce Warriors-
Aquastar
Bullet
Zetca

-Sparkdash-
Guzzle
Hardspark
Hotspark
Javil
Wildspark

-Destrons-
Browning

-Pretenders-
Metalhawk

-Six Changer-
Sixknight

-Godmasters-
Buster
Doubleclouder
Hydra
Ranger
Road King

-Armored Warrior-
Godbomber

-Godmaster Leaders-
Overlord (w/ Mega & Giga)
Super Ginrai

-Headmaster Juniors-
Goshooter
Minerva

-Headmasters-
Grand Maximus
BlackZarak
BlackRoritchi

-JP Victory 1989-

-Dinoforce-
Doryu
Gairyu
Goryu
Kakuryu
Rairyu
Yokuryu

-Multiforce-
Dashtacker
Machtackle
Wingwaver

-Breastforce-
Drillhorn (w/ Hornbreast)
Guyhawk (w/ Hawkbreast)
Hellbat (w/ K?moribreast)
Jallguar (w/ Jaguarbreast)
Killbison (w/ Bisonbreast)
Leozack (w/ Lionbreast)

-Brainmasters-
Blacker
Braver
Laster

-Armored Warrior-
Victory Leo

-Six Changer-
Greatshot

-Interstellar Transport-
Galaxy Shuttle

-Leaders-
Deszaras
Star Saber

-Crossformers-
Black Shadow
Blue Bacchus

-JP Zone 1990-

-Zone OVA pack-in-
Rabbicrater

-Metrosquad Leader-
Metrotitan (w/ Metrobomb,
Metrodash, Metroshot, Metrotank)

-Micro Transformers-
Battle Patrol Team
(Gunlift, Powerbomb)
(Sunrunner, Sidetrack
Super Car Patrol Team
(Black Heat, Ginham, Deadhour, Road Hugger)

-Bases (Micro Transformers)-
Gunrunner
Deadwheeler

-Micro Transformers Powered Masters-
Sonic Bomber
(w/ Sonic)
Dai Atlas
(w/ Speeder)
Roadfire
(w/ Drillbuster)

-Stations (Micro Transformers)-
Glasspit
Overair

Deluxe (Micro Transformers)
Missile Bull
Skywave

-JP Return of Convoy 1991-

-Cybertrons-
Grandus (w/ Spinner)
Sky Garry (w/ Shotbomber & Micro Trailer #0)
Star Convoy
(w/ Hot Rodimus & Micro Trailer)

-Micro Transformer 6 Team-
Sixliner
(Alan, D-Go, Joe, Leaf, Night, Spark)

-JP Operation Combination 1992-

-5-Robot Gestalts-
Battle Gaia
(Great Cannon, Leyland, Sandstorm, Shuttle Gunner, Target Hawk)
Guard City
(Fire Chief, Fly-Up, Safety, Sparkride, Streetstar)

-Micro Transformer 6-Robot Gestalts-
Sixbuilder
(Crush-Bull, Digger, Gran Arm, Iron Lift, Mixing, Treader)
Sixtrain
(Atlan, Converter, Desire, Raise, San D-Go, Windy)
Sixturbo
Road Police
(Circuit, Discharge, Glide, Neo-Wheel, Sireen)
Sixwing
(Chain Gun, Falcon, Flanker, Missile Run, Raker, Supersonic)

[Deano85]

I was happy when we got Chromedome in Titans Return. Also bought Maketoys Cupola.

Would love to see an updated G1 Slapdash

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

I've said this a few times elsewhere, but...ideally almost all of it, sooner or later. I don't mind at all if we get an Optimus, a Megatron, a Starscream, and a Bumblebee etc. in every line or two or three. That's what sells, and as a few others have said, it gives people who missed out on previous versions of a character or want to upgrade options to do so without breaking the bank.

But what I'd like to see also is the repaint/remolds of those big-name character toys being used to fill out some of the later/more obscure characters, as well as characters from later series. New Mirage toy? Cool - let's get an Aquaspeeder/Stormtrooper homage there too. New Trailbreaker mold? Sweet - how about a CHUG Armada Red Alert, or this guy (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Turbofire)? They don't have to be perfect homages, just a new head/chest/whatever will usually do. Same thing for the alt-mode and size-class/price-point - near enough is good enough.
To be fair, Hasbro/Takara have gotten better at this sort of thing lately. I'd kind of like it extended a little bit more is all, maybe including some of the less Bayverse-y designs in Studio Series etc. as well.

[Bidoofdude]

I suppose things can be quite frustrating between camps with the split of new updates and first time updates. Obviously I think a lot of collectors who have been in the game for ages and can afford to do so would prefer a continuous quick stream of those 87-93 obscure characters to just finally get it done. Padding out can also be a reprieve though for people like me, since a lot of close together releases I want mean I’m gonna struggle to get them all! It also caters to those new fans previously mentioned by Tha_Phantom.

It’s definitely not without its problems: it took almost 5 years to get just the 1984 seekers from the original classics mould (blood from a stone), and some figures like Eject from the TR Rewind mould never even got made, which still makes me very angry- the switch to micromaster cassettes makes it pretty much impossible we’ll ever see one, bar something like the Bumblebee movie sneaking in a Frenzy repaint from Rumble.

They seem to be doing a generally better job now, with all the major seekers getting made in the same year or so. We can only hope that better care is given to satisfying all those facets. Some things like the Siege Skywarp disaster still have me wary.

[Tha_Phantom]

It also caters to those new fans previously mentioned by Paulbot.

That's a funny way to spell my name. :p

[Bidoofdude]

That's a funny way to spell my name. :p

Fixed!

[GoktimusPrime]

We are a helpful community, here you go. :)
Don't bother. Once a user is on my Ignore list then they are completely ignored by me. I won't read their posts even if quoted by other users (I just keep scrolling without reading the quote box). Just to save you some time. :)


Generically, I'd like to see some genuine PowerMaster/TargetMaster remakes, they've never done those as far as I know.
At least with the engine/weapon buddy included.
Heh, there's a difference between Powermasters and Power Masters, although only Powermasters existed in G1 and had engine components (whereas Power Masters are from G2 and had no binary bonded human components). Still, who wouldn't want a CHUG Bullet Bike? :p

[Deano85]

Still waiting for them to retool the Earthrise Cliffjumper into Bumblebee.
I don't have a CHUG Bumblebee, so that would be useful.


Funny when there's too many bumblebees we complain, but when we actually want a new bumblebee they hold out on us haha. I definitely want an Earthrise Bumblebee too. Cliffjumper is great.

[DELTAprime]

Don't bother. Once a user is on my Ignore list then they are completely ignored by me. I won't read their posts even if quoted by other users (I just keep scrolling without reading the quote box). Just to save you some time. :)


Wow, what an asshole. I'm trying to contribute to the list and you just ignore my help.

[dirge]

Funny when there's too many bumblebees we complain, but when we actually want a new bumblebee they hold out on us haha. I definitely want an Earthrise Bumblebee too. Cliffjumper is great.

I for one don't want to see the Cliffjumper mould used for Bumblebee.

[Bartrim]

Since I am a G1er but can not afford to collect reasonable condition G1 figures I would like all of G1 to be done in the CHUG line.

[GoktimusPrime]

I for one don't want to see the Cliffjumper mould used for Bumblebee.
Agreed. None of the G1 or G2 Bumblebee toys were ever shared moulds with Cliffjumper. The original Microman-based toys were entirely different moulds - just with shared engineering, same as Bumblejumper - but they were never shared moulds like say the Datsuns, Seekers, Cassettes etc. Also, there are LOTS of previous CHUG Bumblebee toys that people can go collect. Many that would be better suited to the character than a Cliffjumper repaint. Besides, aren't they releasing a yellow repaint of ER Cliffjumper as Hubcap? Makes more sense considering that unlike Bumblebee, G1 Hubcap is a retool of Cliffjumper.

Previous Cliffjumpers as repaints of Bumblebee never suited that character at all and I think that a yellow Cliffjumper repaint would have the same issue in reverse. The other thing is that G1 Bumblebee was also commonly available in red and G1 Cliffjumper was commonly available in yellow. Heck, at my local shops in the 80s yellow Cliffjumpers were actually more common (and Bumblebee was about evenly available in red and yellow)! So yellow Cliffjumper holds more childhood nostalgia for me than red Cliffy, and both red and yellow Bumblebee hold equal childhood feels. And let's not forget that Cliffjumper appeared in G1 canon in both yellow and red.
https://i.ibb.co/vqkcFtH/cliffjumper-Yellow.jpg
👆Cliffjumper in yellow in "More Than Meets The Eye." He also appears in these colours in "The Ultimate Doom" (beach scene).
👇Sunbow had initially intended to use Cliffjumper's yellow colour for the cartoon model, but a decision was made later to use the red version instead. My guess is that some scenes weren't colour-corrected which is why we still see him on the odd occasion in yellow.
https://i.ibb.co/9h14yh9/cliffjumper-yellowred.jpg

Ya know, I wouldn't mind seeing a CHUG Bumblebee toy released with a hatchback or VW Beetle mode body but with ER Cliffjumper's head - in yellow, and then sold as Generations Pretender Bumblebee. Replace the bazooka with a new Prime Master modelled after Bumblebee's Pretender shell. It would be G1 accurate since Pretender Bumblebee has Cliffjumper's head (but Bumblebee's body)! :)
https://i.ibb.co/LQLQ189/temp.jpg

[dirge]

Don't bother.


Play nice, please.


Wow, what an asshole. I'm trying to contribute to the list and you just ignore my help.

He's entitled to use the board's ignore function (not saying I agree or disagree with his use of it). Please leave out the insults, thanks. If you feel a post warrants reporting, by all means report it.

[UltraMarginal]

Don't bother. Once a user is on my Ignore list then they are completely ignored by me. I won't read their posts even if quoted by other users (I just keep scrolling without reading the quote box). Just to save you some time. :)

That's so childish, a member has spent time putting together a list to help out with what is frankly a massive effort, even if it's an opportunity to ensure everyone is using your unnecessary classification system for the eras of G1 that only 5 people even voted on.

Wow, what an asshole. I'm trying to contribute to the list and you just ignore my help.

not an unwarranted response, I feel.



Minerva is probably the most obscure G1 Autobot I can think of, in that she didn't even have a name, that's the name of her Headmaster bonded partner.
One repaint of Nightbeat, that's all she got!
For an original redesign update, probably hardest to beat her for a candidate.

She did get an animated toy, though rather hard to come by being the subject of a Botcon custom class, also not a headmaster.

[Deano85]

I for one don't want to see the Cliffjumper mould used for Bumblebee.

Probably why Bumblebee is coming at the end in a new mould

[Tha_Phantom]

I doubt WFC Bumblebee would be a straight up repaint of Cliffjumper (although if it is, then it's well deserved payback :p ) but I reckon it will share some parts while mostly appearing to be a different figure.

[DELTAprime]

That's so childish, a member has spent time putting together a list to help out with what is frankly a massive effort, even if it's an opportunity to ensure everyone is using your unnecessary classification system for the eras of G1 that only 5 people even voted on.


not an unwarranted response, I feel.


If you guys would like me to publish my full list and take feedback from all I'd be happy to do that. And yes. I have put a lot of effort into it.

[dirge]

not an unwarranted response, I feel.


Board rule #1 - "Treat others in a way that they would want to be treated by others, with respect and dignity."

It's very simple. I'm not going to go into it further. /mod.

[GoktimusPrime]

Probably why Bumblebee is coming at the end in a new mould
Best :) Not sure if I need yet another CHUG Bumblebee... unless it's a VW Beetle

[Tha_Phantom]

Best :) Not sure if I need yet another CHUG Bumblebee... unless it's a VW Beetle

To be honest I'm more keen on a Cybertronian one from the first episode of the cartoon, but I won't say no to a VW either. :p

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Still waiting for them to retool the Earthrise Cliffjumper into Bumblebee.
I don't have a CHUG Bumblebee, so that would be useful.Just FYI, there are a few various CHUG Bumblebees for sale in the saleyeards if you look through it. :)

[Unicran]

If you guys would like me to publish my full list and take feedback from all I'd be happy to do that. And yes. I have put a lot of effort into it.
Please do. And I'll do my bit to quote your post. :)

[Deano85]

Theres an artwork shot of Earthrise Bumblebee

https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/3922818257788339/?type=3&theater

[Tha_Phantom]

Unfortunately, that was not Bumblebee:
Earthrise Hubcap (https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-images-and-video-review-of-generations-selects-hubcap/44907/)

No, it's clearly Bumblebee. The feet, chest and especially head indicate that. Heck, there's even Spike next to him.
We have also seen images of an Earthrise Hubcap, but that's not who is on the box art.

[DELTAprime]

Please do. And I'll do my bit to quote your post. :)

Oh, no need to quote it. If Gok doesn't want to read it then it's his loss.

And the post is up in the Matrix section. Follow the link in my sig. Feel free to make suggestions on things I've missed.

[GoktimusPrime]

Unfortunately, that was not Bumblebee:
Earthrise Hubcap (https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-images-and-video-review-of-generations-selects-hubcap/44907/)

I suppose those who wanted obscure figures will be happy, I guess.
But for me, I'm like, Hasbro , why release some unknown character instead of Bumblebee?
He's not unknown! Hubcap's been around since 1986 - that makes him just as old as Ultra Magnus or Galvatron! I don't know about your local shops in the 80s, but around my parts Hubcap was a pretty strong seller; easily outselling the biggest pegwarmer of '86 - Wheelie. Despite the fact that Wheelie had far more prominent appearances in canon compared to Hubcap (whose canonical presence was nil); good toys just sell themselves. :) And not to mention that Hubcap also appeared in the Generation 2 toyline. But we haven't had a new G1 Hubcap toy since 1993 whereas we've had HEAPS of Bumblebee toys, including numerous CHUG Bumblebees. I currently own five different CHUG Bumblebees (I used to own more but sold or gave away a few of them).

Bumblebee fans have had their fill - and apparently there's an ER Bumblebee coming out anyway. Don't you think it's Hubcap's turn?

This is what I mean though, I would personally like to see every G1 Transformer have a turn at being made into a CHUG figure. Characters like Bumblebee have had more than their fair share, and it's not as if Hasbro's ever going to stop making Bumblebee toys any time soon. Hasbro lost the rights to the Bumblebee name between 1996 to 2005 and they are very much determined to ensure that it never happens again. They went overboard during the 00s to early 10s when we would see endless shelves and pegs full of every version of Bumblebee imaginable. Battle Bumblebee, Stealth Bumblebee, Nitro Bumblebee, Scanning Bumblebee, Going-to-the-Shops Bumblebee etc. and fans were making memes like this... ;)
https://i.ibb.co/44jf6SX/meme-bumblebeeeverywhere.jpg

CHUG Bumblebee fans? Yeah, Hasbro's got you more than covered. :cool: There's another CHUG Bumblebee on the horizon, and as Odie said, you can find previous CHUG Bumblebees easily enough on the secondary market (I got my LG Bumblebee second hand and it was super easy, barely an inconvenience). Let the others have their turn. I think that fans like to complete sets. CHUG started off with just two Seekers (Starscream and Ramjet) and it took them half a decade to release the rest in stores. :rolleyes: CHUG gave us Grimlock but then we had to wait 12 years before they gave us the rest of the Dinobots. We're in the fourteenth year of CHUG now (wow!) and Hubcap is the only G1 Autobot Mini-Vehicle not yet CHUGgified (and yeah sure, they need to give us a proper Huffer and Pipes too).

[dirge]

I suppose those who wanted obscure figures will be happy, I guess.
But for me, I'm like, Hasbro , why release some unknown character instead of Bumblebee?

Hubcap, like Bumblebee, is a character I've had and loved since I was a kid... I've been waiting a long time for a CHUG Hubcap... I'm thrilled.

[DELTAprime]

Unfortunately, that was not Bumblebee:
Earthrise Hubcap (https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-images-and-video-review-of-generations-selects-hubcap/44907/)

I suppose those who wanted obscure figures will be happy, I guess.
But for me, I'm like, Hasbro , why release some unknown character instead of Bumblebee?

I have a G1 Hubcap on my G1 shelf. I jumped on an eBay auction for him back in the day when I saw him for the first time. Someone mislabeled him as Bumblebee and had a whole $5 on him. Postage was more expensive than Hubcap. I really like the guy.

[Tha_Phantom]

From my perspective, if they weren't important enough to be a regular character in either the comics or the cartoon, then Hasbro, Marvel or Sunbow didn't think the character was significant enough to make the effort of featuring.

Over time some of these obscure characters have been featured in newer series as well as comics like IDW making them more popular these days.


Bumblebee fans have had their fill - and apparently there's an ER Bumblebee coming out anyway. Don't you think it's Hubcap's turn?

Completely fair. Whilst I'm more than happy to keep buying CHUG Bumblebees if they make them, I really have no grounds to demand more. Give Hubcap his turn.

[GoktimusPrime]

From my perspective, if they weren't important enough to be a regular character in either the comics or the cartoon, then Hasbro, Marvel or Sunbow didn't think the character was significant enough to make the effort of featuring.
Not even for a one off appearance apparently.
But toy canon counts as a canonical appearance. The toy canon is the core and backbone of the Transformers brand. It's a toy brand, not a cartoon brand or a comic brand - those things were created to support the toyline, not vice versa. And I get that having broader media exposure makes some characters more popular than others, which is why Hubcap is going to be a Generations Select exclusive; the current day equivalent of a mail-away toy - and even G1 Hubcap wasn't that obscure that you needed to send in a cheque with Robot Points to order him; he was available in any store. And let's not forget that we've already had CHUG figures of actual mail-away toys like Reflector and the Powerdashers (now all we need are the Omnibots and TIME WARRIOR)


Yes, there is a lot of Bumblebees and I've looked at them all over the past few days, trying to find the best one for my collection.
Two, that's it, Pretender Bumblebee and MC-01 Bumble Bug (not available).
So just because there are a lot of them, doesn't mean there are good ones.......
I personally still really love the original Classics Bumblebee, but to each their own. The fact is that CHUG Bumblebees exist. Just off the top of my head you've got...
Classics Deluxe Bumblebee
Classics Legends Bumblebee
Classics Legacy Deluxe Bumblebee
Henkei Bumblebee
Universe Legends Bumblebee
Universe Legends Goldbug
RTS Deluxe Bumblebee
WFC/United Bumblebee
Generations T30 Legends Bumblebee
Generations T30 Deluxe Bumblebee
Generations T30 Deluxe Goldfire Bumblebee
Cyber Battalion Bumblebee
Cyber Commander Bumblebee
TR Bumblebee
LG Bumble
AOE Evo Bumblebee
2014 Legion Class Bumblebee
Authentics 13cm Bumblebee
Authentics 18cm Bumblebee
Authentics Super Bumblebee
Authentics Titan Changer Bumblebee
EZ Collection Bumble
BUMPxTF Bumble

Granted even I don't think that these are all great (but I do think that some of them are good, but that's at least twenty three CHUG Bumblebees there. And you have had fourteen years to collect these. ;)
Here's a comprehensive list of CHUG Hubcaps:

Non-existent CHUG Hubcap

Nope

Cicadas

Tumbleweed

awkward silence

Is anyone even reading this?

Desmond rules


Over time some of these obscure characters have been featured in newer series as well as comics like IDW making them more popular these days.
Yup. Almost every G1 TF has had a canonical appearance now, including Hubcap who was also accurately portrayed according to his original G1 toy bio. :)

[dirge]

How many of those Bumblebees are yellow VW beetles and not Camaros?
I cannot comprehend the logic, just because they've put out lots of Camaro style Bumblebees, we're not allowed to have one more, a G1 authentic Bee?


Hubcap isn't standing in the way of a VW Classics Bumblebee, Tilarta. Licensing is. Just as Hubcap and Cliffjumper aren't Porsche 924s - just something with a broadly similar shape. I don't see Hasbro paying for a licensing agreement to do a Legends scale toy in CHUG.

At best you'd get something similar to deluxe Classic Bumblebee. It'll be beetle shaped... but not a VW Beetle.

The Camaros are different because they got the license as part of the broader movie licensing.

[nalops]

Volkswagen had issues with toys portraying war for a while. Same with Porsche I believe. It's why Alternity Bumblebee's planned Beetle alt mode had to be changed to a Suzuki Swift. Things have changed recently since the MP Bumblebee was able to come out though.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Honestly, I've got a Takara United Bumblebee (i.e. the shiny gold repaint of the old deluxe Classics mold) with one of those upgrade kits to make him a Classics Goldbug, and it's still a really solid toy even now. Being a little generic hatchback-type car suits the character pretty well IMO.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

The masses of Camaro/generic-muscle-car Bumblebees would be because that's what the Movie/Bayverse Bumblebee was. Hasbro's main market is towards kids, and for most kids nowadays Bumblebee is a mute sports car rather than a chibi VW Beetle. I'm not sure how old you are, but I've got a few friends with kids and their kids all have their 'default' character images in/from more recent series than an old 80s cartoon. I even lent one of said friends some old-school G1 DVDs and his kids apparently told him that they wanted 'real Transformers, dad!', not those weird old retro cartoons.

Presumably after many years of trying Hasbro/Takara managed to get permission to use the Beetle car model for the Bumblebee movie, but licensing isn't an either/or deal generally speaking. Usually licensing deals are 'You can use the likeness for a, b, and c purpose, in x, y, and z way' rather than just 'here you go, you have the license now'. Major companies tend to be pretty image-conscious nowadays, albeit maybe not 100% knowledgeable about the intricacies of Transformers characterisations.

[nalops]

It's hard to imagine a VW bug like vehicle without being an actual bug, the front end and boot are fairly distinctive.
So it's Volkswagen we should be holding responsible for all the Swift and Camero Bumblebees?
Because they won't Hasbro make him what he should be?

And if they didn't want a Beetle Bee anymore, how did this toy get approved (https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Masterpiece-MPM7-Bumblebee.jpg)?

When you think of war though, Bumblebee isn't the one who springs to mind immediately, he's normally the non-combative scout or the unofficial emissary.

Well, yes. If they don't have the licence for it, not much they can do without risking a lawsuit. If the company doesn't want to work with them or they have exclusive rights with another toy manufacturer, like Ferrari and Mattel, then tough luck. It's why weren't able to get a Ferrari mode Dino from Dark of the Moon.

The fact that the Beetle is so distinctive didn't help either since they couldn't even try get close without VW presumably getting angry.

The Swift ones would pretty much be VWs fault but the Camaros were more than likely their attempt to appeal to kids (and general public) who'd seen the live action movie.

As I said, things changed with the Masterpiece Bumblebee released in 2016, 2 years before MPM-7. Seems VW is much more willing to slap their logo on Transformers nowadays since the G1 reissue even has one on the card back.

Could be wrong but pretty sure that even if Bumblebee was canonically the biggest pacifist, they still would've disallowed it because the whole toyline is associated with guns and war. I have to imagine they wanted to distance themselves from war because of their founding.

[GoktimusPrime]

As pointed out before, other CHUGs aren't the same make/model as their G1 counterparts. Doesn't make much sense to only get miffed about Bumblebee not being a VW while Cliffjumper and Jazz aren't Porsches, Megatron isn't a Walther, Hoist isn't a Toyota Hilux etc. Also don't forget that Hasbro didn't have the VW licence when CHUG started, so it wasn't even possible to make Bumblebee a VW. This has only become a recent possibility. You could repurpose MP Bumblebee as a CHUG as it scales the same as a Deluxe.

Alternatively, you could log onto TakaraTOMY's online poll and explicitly submit your request, or request it on any of Hasbro's official social media platforms.

[GoktimusPrime]

So to me, Bumblebee was always a VW Bug.
This Camaro thing is just some fad they never get rid of!
A bit more than "just a fad." After the mid 1990s VW/Porsche decided to drastically change their licensing deal and Hasbro even lost the rights to the trademark name "Bumblebee." This was why the hornet moded Transformer in Beast Wars was called "Buzz Saw," and also why Armada Optimus Prime's Mini-Con, which is clearly meant to be Bumblebee, was named "Sparkplug" instead. It wasn't until 2006 when CHUG started that Hasbro reclaimed the rights to the name "Bumblebee." But when the live action movie franchise started, the VW licence thing hadn't changed so they literally could not acquire the rights to use the VW Beetle or Porsche, which is why Bayformers Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Jazz aren't VW/Porsches. And although VW finally allowed their property to be associated with war again (thus allowing Bumblebee to be a VW again) in 2014, Bumblebee was already established as a Camaro in the Movieverse (and had been for seven years by then) - although they did make him a VW Beetle in the prequelboot.


I thought Earthrise's basic premise was updating the classic G1 toys with more articulation, so it wouldn't make sense to make toys that were not reasonable approximations of the original versions.
That's never really been what CHUG has been about. CHUG is really about updating G1 (and other TF line) toys with new designs. As mentioned before, very few CHUGs actually sport the same make and model of their original incarnations.
Dead End is not a Porsche 928S
Windcharger and Tailgate are not Pontiac Firebirds
Prowl, Bluestreak and Smokescreen are not Datsun Fairladies.
Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Red Alert and Breakdown are not Lamborghini Countach (there's no plural)
Barricade is not a Formula-1 race car
Battleslash and Spinister are not AH64 Apache helicopters
Fellbat is not a Dassault Rafale jet fighter
Firefly and the jet component of Skytread are not F4 Phantoms
Nightflight and Overair are not F14 Tomcats
Dreadwind and Skydive are not F16 Falcons
Killbison (Ironbison?) is not a Flakpanzer Gepard tank
Tracks is not a Chevrolet Corvette
Wildrider (Brake-Neck) is not a Ferrari 308 GTB
Skids and Crosscut are not Honda City Turbos
Warpath is not a General Motors M551A1 Sheridan ARAAV tank
Optimus Prime is not a Freightliner FLT (Earthrise is an approximation but not exact like MP)
etc.

It seems highly inconsistent to only single out Bumblebee when the vast majority of CHUG toys don't transform into their original alt modes. :confused: Yeah sure, there are some notable exceptions.
RTS Megatron does transform into a Walther P38
Universe and Combiner Wars Powerglide both transform into A10 Thunderbolts
The Seekers do transform into F15 Eagles
...but these are the exception rather than the standard.

If you want licensed vehicle modes then MP is your thing. CHUG has never really been about source-accurate alt modes.

Even many of the Cybertronian modes from the War For Cybertron series aren't G1 accurate.
Siege Optimus Prime's Cybertronian truck mode doesn't resemble either G1 OP's truck or tank mode.
Bluestreak's Cybertronian car mode looks nothing like his G1 Cybertronian car mode (which was the same model as Jazz's hovercar).


Gun Mode Megatron isn't legal in Australia. :rolleyes:
Hasbro has released two gun moded Megatrons in Australia in CHUG. As mentioned before there's RTS Megatron who's even a Walther P38 and can be held by MP Seekers. :) The other one is the original Classics Megatron who transforms into a Nerf N-Strike Maverick pistol. Sure, it's a fictitious gun, but for obvious legal reasons they cannot do a realistic gun (unless it's ridiculously undersized like the Legends Class RTS toy). Smallest TF Megatron is also perfectly legal (although it was never sold here; but you can own that toy without a permit or safe storage requirements). Also bear in mind that the law varies in different states/territories; e.g. in SA and WA gunformers of any kind are perfectly legal. TF fans in places like Adelaide or Perth can happily purchase and own these toys with i


They had to sneak Shockwave's gun mode in stealthily.
That wasn't a legal requirement but rather to appease parents (in fear of them making complaints). It's more to do with protecting Hasbro's corporate image (which is a big deal to them). Toy companies hate receiving complaints from parents. It's the same reason why Classics and RTS Megatron have orange barrel tips. It's not a legal requirement but just something done to mark them as toy guns to appease parents (a common practice with toy guns in general in Western countries). But yeah, there's nothing wrong with fictitious guns... they just do it to stop the complaints. Even Star Wars guns have bright colours and orange tips on them.
https://i.ibb.co/mTdQ9Hd/temp.jpg

P.S.: I don't know about you, but in 2006 I was just super delighted that CHUG existed! :D Forget alt mode fidelity, I was just stoked that we finally had classic G1 characters with post-Beast Wars level design and engineering! :) I was so excited that I even went and made this silly music video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvptaJylSV8) using the first 3 CHUG toys that I'd purchased (and were all I owned at the time). :cool:

[DELTAprime]

According to Australian gun laws, if a toy resembles a realistic existing gun, it must have the orange cap so police officers don't mistake it for an actual gun.

That's not true. It's an American law that requires orange caps.

Australian law varies by state and ranges from no restrictions on toy guns to realistic toy guns being almost impossible to own.

Check this thread for the actual laws.

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php/20265-Gun-Formers-(imitation-weapons)-laws-and-requirements-for-Australia

[GoktimusPrime]

Oh, Bumblebee is not the only one that I am miffed about.
There have been others.

Combiner Wars Blades - not a Bell UH-1V Iroquois (Huey).
Combiner Wars Streetwise - not a Nissan 300ZX Turbo.
Warpath - not a Sheridan.

But generally, I am only concerned about figures they intend to release and ones I am going to purchase, if neither of those criteria apply, then I am not concerned.
So long as you're not cherry-picking your preference for source-accurate moded CHUG toys. ;) It would be rather silly (and unrealistic) to expect Hasbro to cater for one fan's seemingly inconsistent standard. :)

[Autocon]

Bumblebee is a camero in the movies coz Bay thought it looked cooler.

[GoktimusPrime]

Bumblebee is a camero in the movies coz Bay thought it looked cooler.
And also because it wasn't legally possible to make him a VW Beetle in 2007.

Fun Fact: Bumblebee has been a Camaro longer than Bumblebee was a VW Beetle in the entire G1 run!

Bumblebee was a VW Beetle in G1 from 1984 to 1989 (or 1990 if you count Action Master Bumblebee, who didn't transform into anything but he did have VW Beetle alt mode kibble). So at best you're looking at 6 years. Bumblebee has been a Camaro from 2007 until now (re: Studio Series), so that's 13 years, more than double the time that Bumblebee was a VW in G1. Kids today would be more familiar with Bumblebee as a muscle car than as a Beetle. Even the Bumblebee movie ended with Bumblebee becoming a Camaro. Bumblebee as a sports car isn't an entirely new thing either. Generation 2 first gave us a sports car Bumblebee in 1995.

[Tha_Phantom]

Bumblebee has been a Camaro from 2007 until now (re: Studio Series), so that's 13 years, more than double the time that Bumblebee was a VW in G1. Kids today would be more familiar with Bumblebee as a muscle car than as a Beetle.

Exactly right. There are kids who have ONLY known Bumblebee as a Camaro for the entire time they've been alive. I heard stories from fellow fans who said their kids asked why Bumblebee is a Beetle when they saw the Bumblebee movie.

[nalops]

I have to imagine there'd be quite a few people who think Bumblebee has been mute since the beginning.

[dirge]

Okay. Tilarta... IF we see a CHUG Legends Bumblebee as a Beetle... or a Beetle-esque car, anyway... Hasbro will want to get their money's worth out of tooling the mould.

...would you buy the "Red" Bumblebee variant (tributing his G1 variant)? I certainly would. I've owned that toy since 1985, and the Yellow since... 1995.

[Tha_Phantom]

...would you buy the "Red" Bumblebee variant (tributing his G1 variant)? I certainly would. I've owned that toy since 1985, and the Yellow since... 1995.

Do I need to answer this too or is mine a given? ;)

[dirge]

Do I need to answer this too or is mine a given? ;)

Blind Freddy knows you'll buy it.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Umm...we've got like a whole recurring mainstream toyline dedicated to G1 re-imaginings/updates that's been going for like 14 years now, plus G1 reissues (though a few more of those would be nice, especially some that haven't been done yet), plus a mostly-G1 Masterpiece line, plus a fair few other sub-lines as well as reams upon reams of miscellaneous merchandise. G1 Bumblebee alone has two different Masterpiece figures and yet another reissue of the original minifigure out in KMart right now. All for a 25-year-old+ 80s cartoon series which was basically just a 25-minute-long toy commercial.

Hasbro's actually doing pretty well by us old-time G1 fans, hey.

[Tha_Phantom]

Yeah, as a G1 (also movie) Bumblebee fan, I'd be lying if I said I felt deprived of updates. I have 56 official Bumblebee toys in my collection and that's me being picky! I could easily have way more if I wanted to get everything out there.
Meanwhile, if you're a G1 Barricade or Hubcap fan, good luck... I would never say my needs take preference over theirs. I have more than had my fill as Gok said earlier.

[GoktimusPrime]

I am not any of those kids and honestly, as stated before, they've got their pick of like 10 Bee Camaros, so they've been well and truly catered too.
As are G1 Bumblebee fans (esp compared to G1 Hubcap fans).

Time to give the G1 veteran fans a little sugar.
Hundred percent. Which is the entire point of this thread! :) :cool:
If you go back to the first post, it is a list of all G1 toys and the ones that have been "given sugar" are highlighted in blue. The names in black are the ones still desperately craving some CHUG sweetness.

Spread the love! Let all the names in black have their moment in the sun too! Characters like Optimus Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream etc. have been given so many sacks of sugar that they're just bloated to the point of near diabetic shock. :p Meanwhile, characters like Hubcap, Downshift, Steeljaw, Slugfest, Catilla, Kakuryu, Barricade, Calcar etc. are malnourished to the point of starvation!

I dunno about you guys, but I was really pumped to see the announcement of an upcoming CHUG Rotorstorm! :D
Just take my money, Hasbro. Anytime they make a CHUG toy of a G1 character who's never been CHUGgified before I will just throw my money at them. ;)

Umm...we've got like a whole recurring mainstream toyline dedicated to G1 re-imaginings/updates that's been going for like 14 years now, plus G1 reissues (though a few more of those would be nice, especially some that haven't been done yet), plus a mostly-G1 Masterpiece line, plus a fair few other sub-lines as well as reams upon reams of miscellaneous merchandise. G1 Bumblebee alone has two different Masterpiece figures and yet another reissue of the original minifigure out in KMart right now. All for a 25-year-old+ 80s cartoon series which was basically just a 25-minute-long toy commercial.

Hasbro's actually doing pretty well by us old-time G1 fans, hey.
👆100% QFT

Even the non-G1 lines (e.g. Cyberverse) are still too loaded with G1ness. I love G1, but I also feel that outside of CHUG and MP that we really should have something not G1 related. :rolleyes: Beast Wars feels like the last great TF line that dared to think outside the G1 box. Armadaverse to a lesser degree.

[Seraphim Prime]

The thing with Classics/Generations is that none of the toys have had formal licenses, but have typically approximated the original concept of the character.

As others have said, Cliffjumper isn't a Porsche, but has similar lines to the original vehicle to approximate the likeness. I remember it used to be talked about as a 70% rule - you weren't allowed to outright copy a design but you could homage it and approximate it but with enough differences that it couldn't be confused for the real thing. Think Universe Sideswipe, which resembles the Lamborghini Gallardo, but has the lights, grill, intakes sufficiently modified that it isn't a replica. On the flipside you have RiD Sideburn who approximated the Dodge Viper, but the likeness was so close that Dodge required Hasbro to obtain a license for future releases.

Because the VW Beetle lines and shape are so unique, any likeness would probably require a license, so the decision appears to have been that a small compact vehicle is the best analogue they can use - Classics, Titans Returns, Generations have all taken this approach. Unfortunately I do not see there ever being an official Generations price or scale figure that would meet the requirements you have.

[GoktimusPrime]

I'd say Scorponok got his due, as he's due out as a Titan Sized double Headmaster, which the original G1 toy was not.
I'll cross Scorponok off the list after the toy has been released. Ditto other upcoming first time CHUGgers like Rotorstorm. Not gonna count our chickens until they've hatched. ;)


I'm not really sure what Masterpiece is, but I think it's collectors items for display only.
The mental image I have in my head is a Bumblebee toy the size of a leader class figure.
Masterpiece... it's only been around for sixteen years now (longer than the original run of G1).
MPs are designed for collectors but they are fully articulated and have various play features like interchangeable parts and occasional gimmicks. They're fully transformable and are certainly more than just static display pieces. :) MP Bumblebee is about the same size as a Deluxe figure.

But yeah, the point of this thread is about those names in black. How many of those toys do we want to see made as CHUG toys? I'd like to see them all done and I would buy any G1 character released in CHUG for the first time. This is why Ironworks was one of my grail purchases in Earthrise this year. :) I also enjoy new/original characters introduced in CHUG. I recently sold off my CW Aerialbots but I kept Alpha Bravo. And Scrapface and Hotlink are my favourite among the Trilogy toys so far.

[nalops]

The mental image I have in my head is a Bumblebee toy the size of a leader class figure.
Now put that next to my Legends class toys of his compatriots and see why I would not want those toys.......

Not sure why you're imagining that. The only Bumblebee I've seen leader size were movieverse (X3 or 4) or Cyberverse, neither of which are G1. MP Bumblebee has to fit in MP Optimus Prime's trailer after all and scale with the rest of the carbots, so he's in no way massive. Ver 2 seems to be smaller in vehicle but taller in robot compared to ER Cliffjumper.

[nalops]

I'm sure if you look up "MP *name of Transformer* size comparison" in image search, you'll find what you're looking for.

As an example, in the fifth post of this page (https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/mp-21-masterpiece-bumblebee.976681/page-210), you'll find MP21, the first MP Bumblebee, with the Classics version and a 3P one.

With couple minutes more searching, I also found this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zXncFEEJ6lU

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, Rotorstorm's upcoming release didn't go well with me, because
(snip)
he is reusing Spinister's mould and getting a size downgrade.
He should be Leader Class.
Actually Rotorstorm would be a Voyager by today's standards.

Furthermore by this logic...
* All Autobot Mini Vehicles must be Legends Class (former Scout Class - now most are)
* All Autobot Cars must be Voyager Class
* All Decepticon Jets must be Voyager Class
* Optimus Prime and Megatron must always be Leader Class
* Soundwave must also always be a Leader Class
* Cassettes must always be Legends Class (former Scout Class)
* All Dinobots must be Ultra Class
etc.
https://i.ibb.co/sHjVbkM/temp.jpg


My major priority at the moment is building a complete Micromaster collection, but unfortunately, Hasbro has only CHUGified a few of them and Ironworks, well, ended up being a Weaponizer instead of a Micromaster.
P.P.S.: Ironworks was initially done as a Micromaster (called Irontread) last year as part of Siege. Earthrise Ironworks is the Micromaster Station that accompanies the Micromaster.
https://i.ibb.co/vHkPRts/Earthrise-ironworks19.jpg


Also, the two Decepticon Air Micromasters released were Cybertronian form, so I had to replace those with an actual G1 team:
There's a good idea. If you want your toy to be 100% G1 accurate then go ahead and play with your G1 Transformers! :)
It's the reason why I've still kept my G1 toys (which is about 93% complete). If I want to play with something that's purely G1 accurate, then that's what my G1 collection is for. But I personally don't look to CHUG to just aesthetically regurgitate G1 back at me. I prefer my CHUGs to have more diversity and even originality in their design. This is why I prefer toys like Classics Mirage and completely skipped Siege Mirage. Similarly I prefer Generations Springer and skipped Siege Springer.


Can't get Countdown because he is only available with Titan Omega Supreme.
I'm assuming it's because Omega Supreme is too large according to your "Must proportionately scale with G1" method (in which case Omega Supreme must be a Commander Class figure).


The others I wanted were not in black and most likely, won't be CHUGified because they were all part of the Combiner Wars release line:
Air Raid
Blades
Streetwise
Motormaster
Drag Strip
Brawl
Predacons/Predaking (CW scale)
These have all been CHUGgified. Perhaps not to what you precisely want, but they have been done.
I'll say it again, but the purpose and intention of this thread is to discuss which toys we want to see become CHUGgified, not necessarily which toys we want to see become re-CHUGgified. I think that we have indulged you on your point for long enough and I would like for this discussion to remain on topic please.


I want the CW scale Seacons, but cannot afford them as they're priced too high.
If they drop the price to 50% of what it is currently, then I can afford them.
You don't collect most CHUGs (as they don't satisfy your exacting criteria) and you don't collect MP. How are you unable to afford the Seacons with such a limited collecting scope? :confused:
Edit: The Generations Select Seacons don't count under Tilarta's method.


Minerva (Headmaster) and Quickshadow (Rescue Bots) would be nice, but I don't expect them to ever be released, as least as official fully designed Hasbro toys.
Minerva is a possibility if they bother to repaint the existing CHUG Nightbeat toys or make a new Nightbeat that could be pre-tooled and/or redecoed as Minerva.


As to why I got the impression that Masterpiece figures were all Leader class, it's because the majority of video reviewers only show them next to other Masterpieces, giving me no context of their size/height in reference to official Hasbro toys.
That's why all the review threads here on OTCA include the size of the toys on the initial post. :)

P.S.: I tried to recount my CHUGs using Tilarta's method - i.e. as slavishly G1 accurate as possible. After over an hour I've managed to sift through just my Early G1 (1984-87) characters and I'm too tired to push on any more. But anyway, just by means of comparison...
My Early G1 CHUG collection according to Tilarta's Method = 21
My Early G1 CHUG collection according to the UCM (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php/217-The-Universal-Counting-Method) = 256

[Tha_Phantom]

Well, two toys I want to see CHUG-ified are Bumblejumper and red Mirage. I'm sure Bumblejumper could work as a Pulse exclusive retooled out of either Runamuck or Cliffjumper (yes, relax, you've got your Hubcap on the way).
AFAIK red Mirage hasn't even been brought over to TF canon in any way, but I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. If we can get an all new purple Netflix deco for Mirage then nobody can tell me that the red Diaclone deco wouldn't have sold if they went with that instead.

[dirge]

(yes, relax, you've got your Hubcap on the way).

But if they're doing BOTH Hubcap and Bumper, I'll excited... not relaxed.

[GoktimusPrime]

I would rather see Bumblejumper made from a CHUG Bumblebee than the Cliffjumper mould as the whole idea of being a hatchback better suits the character.

[Tha_Phantom]

I would rather see Bumblejumper made from a CHUG Bumblebee than the Cliffjumper mould as the whole idea of being a hatchback better suits the character.

Sure. I'm not really fussed, just make it happen Hasbro!

[Seraphim Prime]

Figure it would be worth bringing this thread up again just to point out that so many of us (myself especially) were wrong when we discounted the idea of a VW approximately Deluxe figure in the current line up.

Although it looks like Hasbro did have to go to the effort to get an official license for it.

[DELTAprime]

Figure it would be worth bringing this thread up again just to point out that so many of us (myself especially) were wrong when we discounted the idea of a VW approximately Deluxe figure in the current line up.

Although it looks like Hasbro did have to go to the effort to get an official license for it.

I was a little shocked at first as to the alt mode being so clearly a VW Beetle. Normally Hasbro likes to make alt modes that are a bit further removed from the real vehicle to avoid any potential copyright issues.

[Sinnertwin]

Figure it would be worth bringing this thread up again just to point out that so many of us (myself especially) were wrong when we discounted the idea of a VW approximately Deluxe figure in the current line up.

Although it looks like Hasbro did have to go to the effort to get an official license for it.

Indeed. It may be a bonus of having the license for the MP release?

[Tha_Phantom]

I would rather see Bumblejumper made from a CHUG Bumblebee than the Cliffjumper mould as the whole idea of being a hatchback better suits the character.

Guess it doesn't matter who he's retooled from now. :p

Am loving that Netflix Bumblebee though (shocker).

[DELTAprime]

And of course the fact that this mould is giving us 3 (or more) realistic vehicle alt modes means that in a couple of years Hasbro will be selling us Penny Racer versions of these characters just to get more money out of people like me that want cartoon accuracy.