Leaked Kingdom & SS86 toy images

[SharkyMcShark]

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/kingdom-rattrap.1199228/

Not sure I'm into that at all.

Would prefer a techno organic look to the real look.

[nalops]

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/kingdom-rattrap.1199228/page-3#post-18241369

Not sure I'm into that at all.

Would prefer a techno organic look to the real look.

I kinda like it but only because it's tiny.

[Bidoofdude]

From what we can see it just looks like a smaller version (not the same mould though) of T30 Rattrap. I'll stick with my deluxe. Seems a bit more complex than I expected though.

[griffin]

Updated link in first post, to the start of that news topic, which has a number of extra images of both modes added to it.

[Gehirn]

It's so crazy all the Kingdom information coming out with earthrise still in wave 2ish.

[Tha_Phantom]

So who's getting the inevitable Generations Selects Packrat?

[reillyd]

Pretty sure that?s a third party Legends scale Rattrap that I saw Peaugh review a few days ago. The toy is called Transform Element MM02 Mice Warriors.
I wouldn?t plug a third party here, but it looks identical to the one in this video (https://youtu.be/HoGIIawdEjc)

[nalops]

It's quite a bit different from the TE one. TE has the rat hind legs stay on the back while this new Rattrap has the hind legs become the robot legs. Nose is different too.

Here's a comparison between 'Kingdom', Generations and BW Rattraps: https://tformers.com/transformers-kingdom-rattrap-compared-to-generations-and-beast-wars/38238/news.html

[SharkyMcShark]

Pretty sure that?s a third party Legends scale Rattrap that I saw Peaugh review a few days ago. The toy is called Transform Element MM02 Mice Warriors.
I wouldn?t plug a third party here, but it looks identical to the one in this video (https://youtu.be/HoGIIawdEjc)

It's a different figure - look at where the rear feet of the rat end up in robot mode.

[nalops]

There's also this:- https://twitter.com/Peaugh/status/1298298255923646466?s=19

I think it's genuine at this point. Kinda worrying considering we haven't even had word of what ER Wave 4 will be.

[griffin]

Wave 2 of earthrise still hasn't been released yet and Kingdom should still be 4 months away so the toys wouldn't even be in production yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a preproduction sample taken from a Hasbro office.

[Lint]

A slight improvement of bot mode proportions over Generations version at the cost of turning the beast mode into an unarticulated ornament. I sincerely hope the other Kingdom beasts get better treatment.

[SharkyMcShark]

A slight improvement of bot mode proportions over Generations version at the cost of turning the beast mode into an unarticulated ornament. I sincerely hope the other Kingdom beasts get better treatment.

I have the same concerns. I slightly warmed to it after reading that this is essentially Legends size now (they're called 'Core' class). It's just a hair shorter than the WFCE Cliffjumper mold in robot mode.

[DELTAprime]

I really need to decide if I should continue with BW MPs or switch to CHUG BW figures. Given the QC issues with the BW MPs I'm leaning toward CHUG.

[griffin]

Screen shots of the video that is on youtube somewhere (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/08/25/transformers-kingdom-rattrap-in-hand-images-417938) (I don't want to post up the link to the video in case it is generating revenue, as I really think that this has to be an unauthorised acquisition)... showing the transformation and how it compares to the Generations Rattrap and Netflix Bumblebee.

The first wave of Earthrise wasn't scheduled for release until March (and started showing up in America and Asia in February... so Kingdom could have a similar release schedule, especially if retailers in America are slow to sell off Earthrise (wave 2 and 3 Deluxe class is still not out yet, with just four months left of the year, and wave 1 has been out in America for six months so far), while a lot of people are out of work or have limited income.
If Hasbro toys are leaking again, up to 6 months before they hit retail, it is more than enough time for pirate companies to acquire and copy the toys, to sell them before the real ones are released. I like seeing some leaks, close to their release (because it is annoying tease if something is leaked this early and you have to wait half a year to get one), but if this continues and we are already seeing competition between people wanting to have these on youtube, I think it might not be too long before Hasbro in America does something about it.

[griffin]

These are claimed to also be from next year's Generations line, leaked from China - Cheetor, Blackarchnia and Warpath (https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/possible-first-look-at-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-blackarachnia-cheetor-and-warpath/45173/).

[nalops]

These are claimed to also be from next year's Generations line, leaked from China - Cheetor, Blackarchnia and Warpath (https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/possible-first-look-at-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-blackarachnia-cheetor-and-warpath/45173/).

They seem to fit the leaks although it seems Hasbro are suddenly abandoning the 5mm weapon ports if they are indeed genuine.

[Bidoofdude]

These look pretty great for retail release figures, and I'm glad that BW is finally getting the widespread love and respect it gets. It's hard to say at this point whether I'll skip them entirely to try and save some money, or just go all out. There are so many great releases lately, it's difficult to keep up. It definitely seems like with the thinner more human like profiles of the BW characters that they'll be able to save a decent chunk of plastic money for making these figures.

I did buy T30 and Rattrap and Waspinator which are great versions of those characters (I missed Rhinox sadly), so maybe I will cave eventually.

I'm all in for Warpath though 100%, I just hope he is a small Legends-sized Deluxe, or even just a Core class figure. It would look way out of place with my minibots if he was too big.

[SharkyMcShark]

I like the screen accuracy of the figures. There's a rumour floating about that Tigatron is going to be a Voyager class with separate engineering to Cheetor (who is a deluxe).

Problematically, I found quite a few of the season 1 BW designs kind of bland. That said I'd love a screen accurate Terrorsaur, and a do-over on Universe 2.0 Dinobot.

If this goes so far as the later designs like Fuzors and Transmetals, I'm all in. A new Silverbolt and TM2 Dinobot after all this time would be dream stuff.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

I could do with a decent Tigatron. :)

[SharkyMcShark]

Im hoping this opens the door down the line to retail releaes of the BW characters in pre Earthen alt modes. The botcon 06 set was great but too dear for 16 year old me.

[Tha_Phantom]

I think it might not be too long before Hasbro in America does something about it.

Apparently they have. Someone lost a job.

[griffin]

Apparently they have. Someone lost a job.

Noted where?

[Tha_Phantom]

Note, link has coarse language.

https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1298697753527230469?s=19

[Bidoofdude]

Note, link has coarse language.

https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1298697753527230469?s=19

I’m not sure how I feel about the whole thing. Obviously I feel for the Hasbro team working hard on these designs only to have them leaked during not even the middle of the previous toyline. At the same time I understand these guys just want to throw us fans a bone and share the love. We don’t usually see much of the pre-release stages, apart from with Unicron and a few prototype bits here and there for Omega, Trypticon and the like. I’ll admit it’s pretty cool to see a prototype stage Cyclonus for example.

If anything out of all this, I think the fact that so much is leaking and/or circulating around the fandom indicates that there is a restlessness in the fandom that should maybe be addressed in some way, though I’m honestly not quite sure what that is/how it should be.

I think most of us are getting a bit burnt out or exhausted with constant reveals/listings, but at the same time I (and others) can’t help but get uber excited anyway. It’s some rubbernecking that is fierce for collectors, even when stresses are so high.

[Tha_Phantom]

I see it in two ways.

Firstly and objectively, it is absolutely Hasbro's right to decide when things are revealed and come down hard on those who violate NDAs and such. There is no rational argument I can present that will dispute that.

On a more selfish level though, I have certainly been enjoying the leaks as I like to see Transformers as soon as I hear about them. So while I fully understand it is Hasbro's right to do this, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little upset.

[griffin]

I like some leaks too, but mostly the name leaks, as this got out of hand really fast, to the point of risking future official toys if pirate companies managed to reproduce them first.
That twitter thread was very vague... but I haven't been following discussions on tfw. It sort of sounded like people were upset about other people having a problem with stolen goods and as a result they would stop sharing images in retaliation.

[griffin]

Screen-shots of the "leaked" DLX Cheetor toy from a youtube video (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/04/war-for-cybertron-kingdom-deluxe-cheetor-in-hand-images-418666).

And of the "leaked" DLX Blackarachnia toy (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/05/transformers-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-deluxe-class-blackarachnia-in-hand-images-418724), also from a youtube video.

[DELTAprime]

Latest leak: Next year's Titan Class is The Ark.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-kingdom-news-with-blackarachnia-video-review-and-possible-glimpse-at-titan-class-ark/45211/

[Gehirn]

The Beast Wars figures are looking pretty good. Though it will be forever before they come out!

And with the Ark it feels like Hasbro is really completing most of what you need for a G1 line.

PS. Maybe this thread needs a title change since it is more than Rattrap now?

[SMHFConvoy]

Latest leak: Next year's Titan Class is The Ark.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-kingdom-news-with-blackarachnia-video-review-and-possible-glimpse-at-titan-class-ark/45211/

That leak looks like someone just grabbed some cyberverse control art to me. I can't recall ever seeing design drawings in colour.

[griffin]

Screenshot images of Warpath from another youtube video (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/06/transformers-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-deluxe-class-warpath-in-hand-images-418797).

These Deluxe toys next year are certainly getting smaller.

[Paulbot]

The comparison photo show it's not too bad. It's what I expected though size-wise for a deluxe minibot following Cliffjumper's lead.

Cheetor and Blackarachnia are both thin/slim characters too so it's reasonable (although the price still bites)

I like how someone posted the cartoon scale chart on that thread. If anything the Skyfire toy is too tall!

[Bidoofdude]

Screenshot images of Warpath from another youtube video (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/06/transformers-war-for-cybertron-kingdom-deluxe-class-warpath-in-hand-images-418797).

These Deluxe toys next year are certainly getting smaller.

Pretty sure Warpath is on the smaller side because he is a minibot. It doesn’t seem like he’s quite as small as Bumblebee and Cliffjumper though which I actually would have liked, but I can see why they maybe didn’t go all the way. I’m fine with it, looks like a great toy still.

[Sinnertwin]

Eh, just call it what it is, they're charging the same for less product and simpler designs.
No need to be pretty about it or engage in mental gymnastics in a vain attempt to justify being ripped off.

[Tha_Phantom]

Eh, just call it what it is, they're charging the same for less product and simpler designs.
No need to be pretty about it or engage in mental gymnastics in a vain attempt to justify being ripped off.

Size isn't everything. I compared Cliffjumper to previous legends and deluxe toys, and his parts count and transformation steps are more on par with an average deluxe than a legends. I'm actually amazed people didn't pick on Refraktor tbh.

[Sinnertwin]

Size isn't everything. I compared Cliffjumper to previous legends and deluxe toys, and his parts count and transformation steps are more on par with an average deluxe than a legends. I'm actually amazed people didn't pick on Refraktor tbh.


Your'e paying the same price for a smaller product, less raw materials used and a lazy design -one a 3P company even had design a clip to hold the rear in place during the transformation. In essence, more for less.
You may be able to justify it, but I can't.

[Tha_Phantom]

Your'e paying the same price for a smaller product, less raw materials used and a lazy design -one a 3P company even had design a clip to hold the rear in place during the transformation. In essence, more for less.
You may be able to justify it, but I can't.

Parts count increases the cost, even Takara have confirmed this. Okay, they could have done Cliffjumper without partsforming at a deluxe price point, but it would have meant no accessory. And having seen the way the 3P add on works, it would be super fragile and something kids would easily break. So I understand why Hasbro went the way they did.

Even how it is, it's still more complex than Refraktor. Why did nobody complain about Refraktor? And in fact rush out to buy three of them? Does Refraktor being a head taller than Cliffjumper make it a better toy?

[Sinnertwin]

This parts count has me interested. You have a link to it? I'd be curious to see if they share the same amount of part numbers with the other Deluxes in the wave. Figure, accessories etc

[Tha_Phantom]

I decided to do a comparison of ER Cliffjumper with various legends and deluxe figures I had from recent years. Cliffjumper is definitely more on par with a deluxe than a legends based on his parts count and transformation steps.

CW Wreckgar
23 parts
7 steps

CW Pipes
30 parts
7 steps

TR Bumblebee
25 parts
6 steps

POTP Beachcomber
23 parts
7 steps

POTP Slash
25 parts
7 steps

POTP Jazz
44 parts
8 steps

Siege Rafraktor
35 parts
10 steps

Siege Spinister
41 parts
11 steps

Siege Impactor
43 parts
11 steps

Earthrise Hoist
37 parts
14 steps

Earthrise Cliffjumper
46 parts
12 steps

This is my own comparison. Feel free to replicate it yourself. Just note I have counted symmetrical steps (ie arms) as 1 not 2 in the method, but it is fair for everything including Cliffjumper.

Regarding an official statement on parts count we have this:
"Regarding the recent constant price increment: Takara Tomy booth director mentioned that fans have overly demanded for the cartoon aesthetic. So in order to pull off the cartoon aesthetic while maintaining the proper alt mode, the number of parts for each figure has gone up compared to the Masterpiece Datsuns or Wheeljack. The cost of materials has also gone up which also contributes to the rise in pricing. On this matter, Gamelingual let him know that many fans feel that they will be forced to quit the hobby if the prices become too expensive. The response was that this this is something they have discussed with the executives and it contributes to the decisions of what figures will be made next."

Source: https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/02/09/tfw2005-reports-from-wonderfest-takara-tomy-representatives-declarations-extra-images-from-the-event-404884

[Sinnertwin]

How very interesting. That's a thorough breakdown -exactly what I was looking for comparison purposes. Its definitely made me rethink how I feel about Cliff.

[DELTAprime]

Some more leaks for Kindom as well as the 86 movie Studio Series figures. Looking at this leak, plus the old leak of Cyclonus I feel the MP is completely dead to me.

https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/13/rumor-studio-series-84-hot-rod-kingdom-fossilizer-images-419402

[High_Q]

... as well as the 86 movie Studio Series figures. Looking at this leak, plus the old leak of Cyclonus I feel the MP is completely dead to me.
https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/13/rumor-studio-series-84-hot-rod-kingdom-fossilizer-images-419402

Yeah, that SS86 is a show-accurate G1 line is now almost a certainty. It seems like Takara / Hasbro are OK with having two lines (MP and SS) with similar aims (show accuracy and scale) but at different price points.

As for SS86 Hot Rod, I think the bot mode looks animation accurate but alt mode resembles more of Animated series than G1 Hot Rod. MP-09 was decent in both modes but had bad QC and Hot Rod mode was in the wrong scale. MP-28 had a perfect alt mode but blocky bot chest. Can't we get a perfect G1 Roddy? :(

[Tha_Phantom]

I’m definitely down for an Ark, playsets are my jam. Honestly a lot are expecting it to have a robot mode/transform, but I would be perfectly fine with it being non-transforming and still a Titan class toy. They could definitely jam more features in that way.


I'd really love to have a decent fold-open, large playset that has an accurate form of the Ark... but Hasbro will probably cheapen it or spoil it some how.

I really hope it doesn't turn into a robot. A transforming/unfolding playset would be awesome, though.

[SharkyMcShark]

I'm keen for a clearer look at these SS86 figures. I detect a whiff of a fake chest on the leaked Hot Rod imagine, which is a big no from me.

[Paulbot]

Yeah, that SS86 is a show-accurate G1 line is now almost a certainty. It seems like Takara / Hasbro are OK with having two lines (MP and SS) with similar aims (show accuracy and scale) but at different price points.

I'd say three lines, WFC is doing show accuracy and scale too.

I have a concern that the SS86 line wont scale with Earthrise because that will really annoy me. I mean do I buy Netflix Bumblebee or wait for SS86 Bumblebee? Will SS86 Jazz be too tall to stand next to Earthrise Prowl? Will there be another set of seekers in the SS86 line!?

[SharkyMcShark]

I'd say three lines, WFC is doing show accuracy and scale too.

I have a concern that the SS86 line wont scale with Earthrise because that will really annoy me. I mean do I buy Netflix Bumblebee or wait for SS86 Bumblebee? Will SS86 Jazz be too tall to stand next to Earthrise Prowl? Will there be another set of seekers in the SS86 line!?

I think that they'll keep scale with the WFCE stuff. It's not the first time that they've shunted releases that should have been in one line sideways into another line just to get them to shelves - at the tail end of the 2007 Movie Line we had those repaints of AEC Figures and Classics Mirage that were meant to be for the Universe 2.0 line, and the Reveal the Shield figures were meant to be in Generations but there was no room for them there so they ended up in the movieverse technically.

[Paulbot]

I think that they'll keep scale with the WFCE stuff. It's not the first time that they've shunted releases that should have been in one line sideways into another line just to get them to shelves - at the tail end of the 2007 Movie Line we had those repaints of AEC Figures and Classics Mirage that were meant to be for the Universe 2.0 line, and the Reveal the Shield figures were meant to be in Generations but there was no room for them there so they ended up in the movieverse technically.

Maybe that's why Arcee, Quintesson Judge, Allicon, Judgment on Quintesson pack, are in Earthrise instead of Studio Series, some sort of reverse approach to this too?

[Bidoofdude]

The Hot Rod looks absolutely fantastic, makes me quite excited for Gnaw and the dinobots. Galvatron is rumoured to be a leader class, probably in Kingdom, but he may end up voyager sized with some extras. Cyclonus that was leaked a long while ago is super cool too, he is one of my favourite G1 designs.


Maybe that's why Arcee, Quintesson Judge, Allicon, Judgment on Quintesson pack, are in Earthrise instead of Studio Series, some sort of reverse approach to this too?

I have the feeling that because of the Beast Wars stuff, they’ve moved a fair amount of the G1 1986 updates from WFC into Studio Series to make room. Earthrise is pretty much mini masterpiece at this point, I definitely wouldn’t be surprised.

[SharkyMcShark]

Maybe that's why Arcee, Quintesson Judge, Allicon, Judgment on Quintesson pack, are in Earthrise instead of Studio Series, some sort of reverse approach to this too?

It wouldn't surprise me. Allicon and the Quintessons are such uninspired picks for figures otherwise,

[Sinnertwin]

Am I the only one not in awe of The Ark?
It's a ship, some form of a playset & a space ATM.

[DELTAprime]

Am I the only one not in awe of The Ark?
It's a ship, some form of a playset & a space ATM.

Actually, for me, the Ark is going to be a tough sell. I was hoping for Monstructor or Black Zarak to be the next Titan, not an Ark playset.

[Autocon]

Whos the dinosaur that is a weaponiser on the back of warpath? Cant be dinobot. Transmutate?

[SharkyMcShark]

Whos the dinosaur that is a weaponiser on the back of warpath? Cant be dinobot. Transmutate?

I think it's a new character. Each part of WFC has had it's own partsforming power up characters.

The first War for Cybertron year got 'Weaponisers', the second (and current) year got the 'Modulators', next year we get the 'Fossilisers', which are all these skeletal creatures that break down to form bony armour add ons for the bigger characters. As such, it's likely to be a made up, or tertiary level, Beast Wars character.

[Sinnertwin]

Actually, for me, the Ark is going to be a tough sell. I was hoping for Monstructor or Black Zarak to be the next Titan, not an Ark playset.

Yeah... my hopes were dashed (sniff) when they revealed another Volcanicus. Still holding out for BZ with the upcoming Roritchi

[nalops]

I think it's a new character. Each part of WFC has had it's own partsforming power up characters.

The first War for Cybertron year got 'Weaponisers', the second (and current) year got the 'Modulators', next year we get the 'Fossilisers', which are all these skeletal creatures that break down to form bony armour add ons for the bigger characters. As such, it's likely to be a made up, or tertiary level, Beast Wars character.

Apparently this one's called Paleotrex as seen in the leaks

[griffin]

Larger images of what is claimed to be Studio Series Kup (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/14/first-look-at-studio-series-86-kup-419481) and Hotrod (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/14/studio-series-86-hot-rod-and-kingdom-fossilizer-figure-revealed-419488).

[SharkyMcShark]

That Hot Rod has a fake chest and I'm going to repeat a comment that got disdainful responses at least four times on TFW - thats not good enough. It makes the figure an instant non purchase.

[DELTAprime]

Larger images of what is claimed to be Studio Series Kup (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/14/first-look-at-studio-series-86-kup-419481) and Hotrod (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/14/studio-series-86-hot-rod-and-kingdom-fossilizer-figure-revealed-419488).

I'm pretty happy with Legends Kup, but I'm thinking maybe I should get SS Kup and Hotrod and move the Legends figures from the TFTM/Season 3 area further down the shelf to the Season 4/Headmasters area and use the new figures as TFTM figures.

[DELTAprime]

That Hot Rod has a fake chest and I'm going to repeat a comment that got disdainful responses at least four times on TFW - thats not good enough. It makes the figure an instant non purchase.

I didn't even notice, but also I don't care as faux parts are fine in my book. ¯\_(?)_/¯

[reillyd]

So this is 2 Leaks now, 1 Kup.

[Trent]

That Hot Rod has a fake chest and I'm going to repeat a comment that got disdainful responses at least four times on TFW - thats not good enough. It makes the figure an instant non purchase.

For some. And that’s cool.

But most aren’t bothered by it.

[Bidoofdude]

That Hot Rod has a fake chest and I'm going to repeat a comment that got disdainful responses at least four times on TFW - thats not good enough. It makes the figure an instant non purchase.

I disagree for Hot Rod's chest. They're just different shapes, you can either make it look accurate or real but not both. If they can still make a creative transformation, I'm fine with it.

[Tha_Phantom]

That Hot Rod has a fake chest and I'm going to repeat a comment that got disdainful responses at least four times on TFW - thats not good enough. It makes the figure an instant non purchase.

I respect your decision not to buy it, but I would like to point out this wouldn't be a first for Studio Series using fake vehicle parts on bot modes for screen accuracy. They've done it with live action designs, so I don't see why G1 would be any different.

That said, I'm gonna be annoyed if we do start getting G1 stuff in Studio Series. From the '86 figures I've seen in Earthrise and now the SS leaks I'm genuinely wondering what is the difference between the two lines now? Can't we just let the live action movieverse have its own thing? Not like G1 doesn't get enough representation as it is.

[SMHFConvoy]

I respect your decision not to buy it, but I would like to point out this wouldn't be a first for Studio Series using fake vehicle parts on bot modes for screen accuracy. They've done it with live action designs, so I don't see why G1 would be any different.

That said, I'm gonna be annoyed if we do start getting G1 stuff in Studio Series. From the '86 figures I've seen in Earthrise and now the SS leaks I'm genuinely wondering what is the difference between the two lines now? Can't we just let the live action movieverse have its own thing? Not like G1 doesn't get enough representation as it is.

The scuttlebutt is that it's to extend Studio Series to the next live action film. Also isn't next year a big anniversary year for the '86 movie?

[DELTAprime]

The scuttlebutt is that it's to extend Studio Series to the next live action film. Also isn't next year a big anniversary year for the '86 movie?

35 years.

[SMHFConvoy]

So yeah, it's a legitimate effort to continue the Studio Series line and I don't see it as a bad thing as SS is the one constant thing in the TF franchise that stores get in Australia.

[Paulbot]

So yeah, it's a legitimate effort to continue the Studio Series line and I don't see it as a bad thing as SS is the one constant thing in the TF franchise that stores get in Australia.

Deluxe waves were pretty good but Voyagers and, in particular, Leader class waves have been very slow or skipped.

There's a chance though that the buyers at the Toyfair might look at Studio Series look at Generations and they might be too similar for them to buy both?

The Studio Series has had the link to the big movies (the billion dollar successes not the animated flop from the 80s) and the realistic and licensed cars/truck angle going for it to make them stand out

[Tha_Phantom]

So yeah, it's a legitimate effort to continue the Studio Series line and I don't see it as a bad thing as SS is the one constant thing in the TF franchise that stores get in Australia.

I don't think the well of movie characters has run dry just yet. A tribute to the 35th anniversary of the G1 movie could easily have its own line or, you know, WFC (which I am aware is focusing on BW next year).

[Sinnertwin]

G1 > Everything else.

/discussion :p

[SMHFConvoy]

Deluxe waves were pretty good but Voyagers and, in particular, Leader class waves have been very slow or skipped.

There's a chance though that the buyers at the Toyfair might look at Studio Series look at Generations and they might be too similar for them to buy both?

The Studio Series has had the link to the big movies (the billion dollar successes not the animated flop from the 80s) and the realistic and licensed cars/truck angle going for it to make them stand out

I probably didn't notice because I don't buy leader class figures when they're as big as a proper leader class figure.

Was supposed to drop voyager class too but...

[High_Q]

TFW2005 has photos of possible Studio Series 86 Scourge (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/20/transformers-studio-series-86-scourge-first-look-419909). From the unofficial images that have been leaked thus far, SS86 does look like a G1 MP junior line.

[Robzy]

TFW2005 has photos of possible Studio Series 86 Scourge (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/20/transformers-studio-series-86-scourge-first-look-419909). From the unofficial images that have been leaked thus far, SS86 does look like a G1 MP junior line.

Wow, that looks great!

[SharkyMcShark]

Scourge looks pretty amazing. The only downer for me is how lacklustre the vehicle mode for that design is. I remember there was a phase in the fandom about 20 years ago where it just got called the soap dish.

I actually swore at the screen when I saw the clear photos of Hot Rod. It looks stunning. I can feel how good it looks overriding my fake parts hatred.

[Bidoofdude]

Scourge looks incredibly and quite detailed. Definitely going to replace the Titans Return version on my shelf. Hot Rod is a stunner too, they’ve really gone all out. Hoping Kingdom Galvatron is to a similar level of care.

[DELTAprime]

Oh boy, time to prepare my wallet for another troop building experience.

[griffin]

(moved posts and added to the topic title to cover both lots of leaks at the moment, as there seems to be a fair bit of overlap coming next year, and some of these images are in groups containing both toylines)

Images of what is claimed to be Ractonite from Kingdom (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/21/transformers-kingdom-fossilizer-ractonite-images-419938)... said to be a "Fossilizer".
This almost feels like it might have been a rejected concept from Beast Wars (or Beast Machines), in which the reformatting scan uses fossils (like in the first episode of Beast Wars), but instead of recreating the living form for the Predacon (or Maximal), it just replicates the actual fossils as the alt-mode.

And another leaked toy gets the full video review treatment, with what is claimed to be Hotrod from Studio Series next year - screenshots (not the video) can be seen here (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/20/transformers-studio-series-86-hot-rod-in-hand-images-419887).

[Tha_Phantom]

[QUOTE=griffin;632637Images of what is claimed to be Ractonite from Kingdom (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/21/transformers-kingdom-fossilizer-ractonite-images-419938)... said to be a "Fossilizer".
This almost looks like a rejected concept from Beast Wars (or Beast Machines), in which the reformatting scan uses fossils (like in the first episode of Beast Wars), but instead of recreating the living form for the Predacon (or Maximal), it just replicates the actual fossils as the alt-mode[/QUOTE]

It's cool that the team at Hasbro are going through the archives and bringing back old concepts like G2 Sandstorm and now this Fossilizer. Really keen on it from what I've seen so far.

[griffin]

I reworded my post, as it was just speculation from me... I don't recall if that was ever an actual Hasbro concept.

[i_amtrunks]

Rocklords 2.0?

[Tha_Phantom]

Ah, fair enough, I saw that Unicron.com mentioned it as well. Either way, I'm still very interested in getting these Fossilizers.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Ton Ton has a review for the Kup up as well. Pics up at TFW2005.com (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/22/transformers-studio-series-86-deluxe-kup-in-hand-images-420057).

On a different note, I wonder if this means we'll get some remolded Junkions if/when they do Wreck-gar?

[ChlorHex]

I'm wondering if we'll get another Prime for the SS line?
Kinda outdates the Earthrise figures if we get similar characters released in such a short time frame.
Really looking forward to more beast wars stuff.

[SMHFConvoy]

I'm wondering if we'll get another Prime for the SS line?
Kinda outdates the Earthrise figures if we get similar characters released in such a short time frame.
Really looking forward to more beast wars stuff.

I know one of the leaked walmart listings mentions an Ultra Magnus but I think the Prime for SS'86 was the "Alternate Universe Prime" that is currently available.

[SharkyMcShark]

I'm wondering if we'll get another Prime for the SS line?
Kinda outdates the Earthrise figures if we get similar characters released in such a short time frame.
Really looking forward to more beast wars stuff.

I'm also curious about this, specifically with respect to Starscream. There's a Starscream listed for SS86, but obviously we've just had the (very G1 accurate) WFCE Starscream. Repack? Repaint? Slightly remold? I'd love a new mold entirely but that's because I'm weak for jet fighter transformers.

[Kyle]

I'm also curious about this, specifically with respect to Starscream. There's a Starscream listed for SS86, but obviously we've just had the (very G1 accurate) WFCE Starscream. Repack? Repaint? Slightly remold? I'd love a new mold entirely but that's because I'm weak for jet fighter transformers.

Maybe a king Starscream with the crown and cape... or maybe a simple "dead" all grey repaint...

[Kyle]

I know one of the leaked walmart listings mentions an Ultra Magnus but I think the Prime for SS'86 was the "Alternate Universe Prime" that is currently available.

I almost bought a Siege Ultra Magnus, and when I heard the earth mode rumour I was very glad I held off getting the Siege one.

[Dan]

That Paleotrex reminds me of some fan art I saw ages ago for what live-action Grimlock could have looked like (made I think before Age Of Extinction): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDEdGqtzJwg

The fossilizers look cute and I might have to get some. :)

As for the Ark, does that mean we should really also get, what's it called, the Nemesis?

[Magnus]

That said, I'm gonna be annoyed if we do start getting G1 stuff in Studio Series. From the '86 figures I've seen in Earthrise and now the SS leaks I'm genuinely wondering what is the difference between the two lines now? Can't we just let the live action movieverse have its own thing? Not like G1 doesn't get enough representation as it is.

I get what you mean here. Yes, it's been pointed out that the 1986 movie is technically a movie, but it feels kind of weird, as if Hasbro is imposing G1 on a specifically movieverse line.


I don't think the well of movie characters has run dry just yet. A tribute to the 35th anniversary of the G1 movie could easily have its own line or, you know, WFC (which I am aware is focusing on BW next year).

We have had G1 homages since the original Classics line from 2006. Since Thrilling 30, there has been a shift towards greater G1 screen accuracy, too, so it feels kind of redundant to have another older child/collector line focused on G1 accurate figures.

Also, you're right - it's not as if Hasbro are out of movieverse characters. From RotF alone, there are still Skids and Mudflap as both the ice cream truck and individual Chevrolet cars, Jolt (who is apparently confirmed somewhere), Sideswipe as a coupe (which would be different enough to warrant a new figure or at least a heavy remould), and the Fallen himself. If Hasbro wanted to pad out the line, they could also do a bumper remould and slight redeco on Bumblebee to make him RotF-accurate, or they could repaint Blackout to make Grindor.

[SMHFConvoy]

I'm also curious about this, specifically with respect to Starscream. There's a Starscream listed for SS86, but obviously we've just had the (very G1 accurate) WFCE Starscream. Repack? Repaint? Slightly remold? I'd love a new mold entirely but that's because I'm weak for jet fighter transformers.

It's an accessory pack like the centurion, a crown, some broken trumpets and a pile of dust ;)

[Sinnertwin]

It's an accessory pack like the centurion, a crown, some broken trumpets and a pile of dust ;)

Id buy that
Much more entertaining than a couple of pistols and some energon cubes

[griffin]

Screenshots from a couple of leaked toys just before the official reveal of some of the Kingdom toys on the weekend - Paleotrex (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/22/transformers-kingdom-fossilizer-deluxe-paleotrex-in-hand-images-420014) & SS Kup (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/09/22/transformers-studio-series-86-deluxe-kup-in-hand-images-420057).

[Seraphim Prime]

SS86 Kup's face bothers me - it feels too long for the rest of the head. But I feel like I know why it is designed that way. I feel like they've gone for his "fix me" look on Quintessa with his sad droopy eyes and longer face. I can't seem to upload an image to show.

I personally I would have been fine to keep the face design but make it about 80-90% of what it is so it didn't dominate over the helmet so much.

[jimoinj]

I prefer the Takara version of Titans Return Kup, especially re: the face.

[griffin]

Images of what is said to be Studio Series Voyager Scourge (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/10/01/transformers-studio-series-86-voyager-class-scourge-in-hand-images-421035).

[Sam]

The SS86 Hot Rod looks really promising. Looking forward to it!

[reillyd]

Grimlock and Wheelie look super-rad
http://snakas.blog95.fc2.com/blog-entry-7799.html

[valkyrie_76]

Grimlock and Wheelie look super-rad
http://snakas.blog95.fc2.com/blog-entry-7799.html

This series is starting to look really bloody good.

[Robzy]

Grimlock and Wheelie look super-rad
http://snakas.blog95.fc2.com/blog-entry-7799.html

Wow

[Bidoofdude]

Copying my thoughts from the TFW thread:

This is so exciting. Finally some yellow cartoon Dinobots, and Grimlock doesn’t have his needlessly massive shoulders for once. Makes me even more excited for Slag and the rest.

Jazz looks very accurate, which is nice because we have a pretty definitive version of the winged one in RTS Jazz. I love my Legends Blurr and this one looks extremely close to it. Unless it’s spectacular I’ll stick with my Legends one.

[DELTAprime]

I wish Hasbro would just announce this stuff already.

[griffin]

There is another fan first Friday this week... maybe they might reveal them then.
But I think they are revealing the item I was told not to talk about until the 17th, which is the day after this online reveal.

[griffin]

Grimlock and Wheelie look super-rad
http://snakas.blog95.fc2.com/blog-entry-7799.html

If these are final versions, they all say 86 now where the previous ones had the individual numbers... which is a bit of a shame, as I liked the ordering system for the packaging.
And it boggles the mind as to why Cyclonus is in Kingdom... unless they are planning to have another Cyclonus come out later for SS.

[Paulbot]

If these are final versions, they all say 86 now where the previous ones had the individual numbers... which is a bit of a shame, as I liked the ordering system for the packaging.
And it boggles the mind as to why Cyclonus is in Kingdom... unless they are planning to have another Cyclonus come out later for SS.

You have to consider Earthrise/Kingdom and Studio Series TFTM as all parts of the same collection.

Earthrise has the Quintesson Judge, Allicon, Sharkticon, Kranix, Arcee, Cliffjumper, Prowl, Ironhide, Ratchet, Grapple
WFC Netflix has Bumblebee, Soundwave
Kingdom has Cyclonus and unconfirmed Galvatron and Earthmode Ultra Magnus
WFC has Unicron
Studio Series gives us Hot Rod, Scourge, Kup, Jazz, Grimlock, Wheelie and Blurr, unconfirmed Slag

Out of the packaging all of these figures are in scale (well not Unicron) and same designs, they're meant to fit together.

Throw in a reissue of Devastator and it's clear the TFTM cast is coming at us from multiple directions

[Seraphim Prime]

If I was the Hasbro team right now I'd be getting very annoyed with the leaks happening.

Blurr would have been a great surprise as I don't think that one had been discussed before. And while the remainder had been rumoured, we didn't have any shots of Grimlock and Wheelie, so much of what I expect to be shared tomorrow has been somewhat spoiled

[SMHFConvoy]

They're even coming with effect parts and molded with the hard points to attach them too. I'm sure numbering will be on the live action toys.

[Tha_Phantom]

Keen to know more about this Jazz. Have they finally secured that Porsche licensing?

[SMHFConvoy]

Keen to know more about this Jazz. Have they finally secured that Porsche licensing?

VW and Porsche are owned by the same company aren't they? So maybe and we'll get to see on fan first Friday?

[Tha_Phantom]

VW and Porsche are owned by the same company aren't they? So maybe and we'll get to see on fan first Friday?

That is true, but as far as day to day operations they are run by different people.

[SMHFConvoy]

That is true, but as far as day to day operations they are run by different people.

Just case of wait and see, if they don't it just means that Jazz's vehicle mode will look a little like Cyberverse Bumblebee's car mode.

[DELTAprime]

Porsche are such idiots with their licencing. Don't expect a licenced Porsche 935 unless someone at Porsche has really had a change of heart.

[SharkyMcShark]

I'm keen to see a bit more of that Blurr.

[Paulbot]

One thing that image made me realise is that Blurr’s “shield” is purely a toy thing and hence an accurate to the movie toy of him (SS or MPh wouldn’t have one. Feels like a missing piece though!

[Sinnertwin]

I like the use of different parts of the movie as backdrops.
2 thumbs up, Hasbro.

[griffin]

Another two small photos of leaked Kingdom toys (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/10/22/transformers-kingdom-packaging-new-images-422535) (Deluxe, Voyager, Leader), showing the packaging.... including the inner packaging, which doesn't have any plastic inserts (part of their greener packaging promise a couple years ago).
It also shows a second Leader toy, which is a re-release of the Earthrise Leader Optimus toy.

[griffin]

Another one of the next year's toys have been reviewed by one of the leakers - Studio Series Jazz - with screenshots here (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/10/24/transformers-studio-series-ss-86-01-jazz-in-hand-images-422632).

[griffin]

From one of the current sources of leaks comes a Studio Series toy that I wasn't aware of - MV2 (ROTF) DLX Bumblebee with Sam figurine.
Since they didn't get the toy with packaging, it is unknown what Studio Series number it has.
Screen shots of the review video can be seen here (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/10/25/transformers-studio-series-rotf-bumblebee-sam-witwicky-in-hand-images-422716).

Bumblebee looks to be a minor remould of the SS-49 Bumblebee... which means one more Movie that has Bumblebee toy for it in Studio Series.
The Sam figurine is a solid piece that doesn't have any moving parts.

[Paulbot]

Studio Series Movie Bumblebee scaled TF with a human. So a Leader class price tag? Just kidding, more likely Voyager.

[Flukey]

https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/10/30/transformers-kingdom-deluxe-ractonite-and-arcee-in-package-images-423231

Like all we need is another Arcee!

[Gehirn]

Same arcee though as Earthrise right?

[nalops]

Same arcee though as Earthrise right?

Yea, it's just a repackaging. Like the ER Leader Prime in Kingdom

[Paulbot]

With the backpack hidden away in the box...

[griffin]

I think the Earthrise ones would still be shelfwarming when that one comes out... and in America, the Arcee in Kingdom packaging would be $3 more than the exact same Arcee toy in the Earthrise packaging.

[Bidoofdude]

Great Aunt Arcee, they have a lore reason. Even with Earthrise available, I still think a few may see them in the wild in the Beast Wars style packaging and jump on them, even just casual fans.

[griffin]

Another 2 leaked toys on youtube - SS86 Blurr, with some screenshots here (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/11/05/studio-series-ss-86-03-deluxe-class-blurr-in-hand-images-423615), and SS86 Grimlock with Wheelie, with some screenshots here (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/11/07/transformers-studio-series-86-leader-class-grimlock-in-hand-images-423722).

[griffin]

The mini Core class Optimus toy from Kingdom (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/11/09/transformers-kingdom-core-class-optimus-prime-in-hand-images-423804).
Not sure if this is a leaked review or if Hasbro is giving out more of their unreleased toys for fans to review.

[Krayt]

Another 2 leaked toys on youtube - SS86 Blurr, with some screenshots here (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/11/05/studio-series-ss-86-03-deluxe-class-blurr-in-hand-images-423615), and SS86 Grimlock with Wheelie, with some screenshots here (https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/11/07/transformers-studio-series-86-leader-class-grimlock-in-hand-images-423722).

Apparently Zavvi from the UK is passing them out for review

[Sutton]

Same arcee though as Earthrise right?

Yes, although this one is very self-conscious about all the baggage in the back and hides it in the packaging. It's a little deceptive, really.

They should have taken the opportunity to remold the hoverboard to look like a......hoverboard.