red pill blue pill (frenzy/rumble)

[Autocon]

ive heard some discussion on the threads about the colours of the tapes

ive only watched the G1 cartoon so i just assumed frenzy was red and rumble was blue

discuss

[iceburn]

hehe....i've still no idea really straight from my mind but frenzy seems to be blue, rumble is red.

[turtle boy]

The cartoon said that rumble was blue, but the toys bio's said it wa the other way around. Or it may have been the comics. I'm just to lazy to find the correct answer..

[roller]

The toyline said that Rumble was the Red and black toy

and that Frenzy was the Blue one

I think the Marvel comics followed the toyline
the Dreamwave comics did im sure


The cartoon switched the toys colour schemes, so Rumble is Purple/Blue in the cartoon.

opposites yo :)

apparently internet nerds and old people get really angry when this type of thing is discussed, tsk tsk

[Robzy]

Like I've always said... Frenzy is not Red...

...he's Black (with red & blue Highlights!)

:D

[SilverDragon]

Frenzy is green, Rumble is pink. :p

FIBRIR. Black and red just suits a name like 'Rumble', to me.

Also, in before someone quotes the TF wiki.


It was Hasbro's intent that Rumble be black and red, and Frenzy be two shades of blue. These color schemes are used in the toyline, Marvel Comics and many storybooks and ancillary media from the early years of Generation 1, and naturally, it was intended for the cartoon series to render the characters in this manner as well (as proven by the show's production bible, which identifies Rumble as the "red robot"). However, as a result of some unspecified error somewhere in production, the two robots had their color schemes swapped, leaving the animated incarnation of Rumble blue, and Frenzy red.

Also also, if we're talking about Movie Frenzy, he was both blue (original toy with Barricade, eyes were blue) AND red and black (AllSpark Power redeco)!

[GoktimusPrime]

FIRRIB only existed in the G1 cartoon, and (afaik) only in the original English language version. In the Japanese dub it was "corrected" so that the blue robot was called Frenzy and the red robot called Rumble. In the original G1 toys, comics, books, Alternators... basically every other Transformers media - it was RIRFIB. FIRRIB is only correct when referring to the G1 cartoon in its original English language format. Anywhere else, it's RIRFIB.

Basically FIRRIB is a mistake made by the G1 cartoon. So I voted for RIRFIB (2nd poll option).

[Paulbot]

If it all comes down to the toys then there is no doubt which toy is which. The cartoon is also clear it's the reverse.

And actually the TFwiki does have a very useful colour chart showing how predominant the toy colours are and how only things that are trying to be true to the cartoon reverse it: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/FIRRIB

[STL]

Blue. The cartoon is far too important to me to say otherwise.

[iceburn]

If it all comes down to the toys then there is no doubt which toy is which. The cartoon is also clear it's the reverse.

And actually the TFwiki does have a very useful colour chart showing how predominant the toy colours are and how only things that are trying to be true to the cartoon reverse it: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/FIRRIB

woot! based on stats... option 2 is correct! well... only Frenzy and Rumble will know. they are twins!

[Paulbot]

Where's that Lil Formers cartoon that answers it?

I think Autocon didn't know the religious debate he was starting when he asked the question :)

[liegeprime]

You mean this one Paulbot?
erm too lazy to snap to photobucket so just put link
http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2007/03/20/lil-formers-38-rumblefrenzy/

Anyways if you look at ALL the english worded catalogue, as early as the 1984 one ( which I have) Rumble IS red, Frenzy IS the Blue one. Cartoon G1 got it wrong coz the animators got lazy.

[roller]

i voted Rumble is blue

would have voted purple if it were an option

The cartoon gave them proper life, i doubt i would have liked the Marvel comic if i saw it before the cartoon, the cartoon has voices :)

[dirge]

This one is a pandora's box. There will never be consensus.

Personally, I see Rumble as blue in the cartoon and red in the toy and Frenzy the opposite. But yeah, it's not a debate I get into - each to their own :)

[Adzma]

Interestingly enough, late last year I started an on and off project, by which I mean when I'm not feeling lazy I work on it, :p to colour correct Rumble's first appearance in the show to make him black and red. I'll post a few frames involved ;). I couldn't tell you when it'll be finished because since I'm entering Year 12, a lot of my spare time will be taken up, hence why I never made a thread in the artistic forum. At any rate, Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red.

http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/Adzma/th_Frame01.jpg (http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/Adzma/Frame01.jpg) http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/Adzma/th_Frame02.jpg (http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/Adzma/Frame02.jpg) http://s400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/Adzma/th_Frame03.jpg (http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/Adzma/Frame03.jpg)
Click to enlarge

Obviously it still has a lot of work to be done including the details of his face, the Decepticon symbol and the cassette decals, as well as some minor touch ups here and there which are evident in these pictures, but I just thought I'd share.

[Sky Shadow]

Rumble is obviously red (and black.)

Rumble's G1 toy is red and the toys came first. Also before the cartoon, in the Marvel comics Rumble is red. In the Dreamwave and IDW comics Rumble is red. In the picture books Rumble is red. In the Japanese cartoon Rumble is red. In Alternators and Music Label Transformers Rumble is red. In Robot Heroes Rumble is red. In the US G1 cartoon Rumble is generally blue.

Rumble and Frenzy are miscoloured/misnamed in the US G1 cartoon. This was clearly an error. I have never understood how anyone could seriously believe that Rumble is meant to be blue and that he is not red. Seriously, if the cartoon had called the purple and black seeker Starscream while in every other medium and toy he's the greyish and red one, would people seriously believe Starscream is meant to be purple and black and that he is not greyish and red? Believing Rumble is blue and not red is like believing Soundwave is purple and not blue and grey just because Nel Yomtov miscoloured him purple in one medium.

Rumble wasn't even consistently blue in the cartoon. And if he is blue then who are these guys from Transformers the Movie? :confused:

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/8223/rumblesf1.jpg

And then we get things like this:

http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d1/GenericDecepticons_MTMTE.jpg

If I was to go by the colours of the cartoon as the defining colours of Transformers despite copious evidence to the contrary then things like this would make my head hurt:

http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/6/6f/Generic_palette_swap.jpg

[roller]

In G2 Frenzy was pinky sorta red :D

Ask M&M he takes lots of coloured pills:D

[GoktimusPrime]

Erm... depends. G2 Frenzy was blue in his G1 form (basically identical to his G1 self but with a G2 Decepticon insignia) but was fuscia (pink x purple) as a G2 Gobot. Frenzy's final moment was freakin' awesome in G2. ;)

[dirge]

And the box is open...

[roller]

And the box is open...

yeahhh..... :confused::confused::confused:

dirge obviously took both pills :D

[liegeprime]

If I was to go by the colours of the cartoon as the defining colours of Transformers despite copious evidence to the contrary then things like this would make my head hurt:



+1 as Ive said its the laziness of the cartoon artists.... so it doesn't count hehehe

[The_Damned]

i always think of rumble as blue

[GoktimusPrime]

Thumbs up to Adzma and his "corrected" images of Rumble in the cartoon! :) Galaxy Force Rumble (aka Cybertron Scrapmetal) who was available in red, blue and yellow!


i always think of rumble as blue
You would only be correct when referring to the G1 cartoon in English. In any other case you would be technically incorrect. If you want to rename your toys that's entirely your perogative though... I mean, you could call those Decepticon cassette twins Phillip (http://image.mycolours.com.au/large/8970553.jpg) and Betty (http://www.quizilla.com/user_images/T/thursdaygrrl/1038354513_Powbetty_2.JPG) if you really wanted. ;) :D

[sifun]

Rumble for me is blue because I have followed the cartoon as a kid. For me the character personality is the blue one.

[Paulbot]

You would only be correct when referring to the G1 cartoon in English.

He was and so are others. Please don't try to correct people's opinions.

Sigh, there's a reason this question was on the do not ask list of the ATT FAQ :rolleyes:

[GoktimusPrime]

Sigh, there's a reason this question was on the do not ask list of the ATT FAQ
I agree. TF questions which have historically proven to be unresolvable topics of debate should be added to the list of "unresolvable issues" in the board rules here alongside religion, politics etc.

Examples include:
+ FIRRIB/RIRFIB
+ Did Brawn die in TFTM?
+ Unicron vs ________

As the ATT FAQ says, "These are questions, statements, etc., that have been discussed so thoroughly, or are so incredibly pointless, that even one post about them is a waste of bandwidth."

(-_-)

[roller]

sure its pointless to discuss them, as one person will arrive at one conclusion and the other person at another conclusion

but its fun to discuss it

heck its fun to watch 2 fanboy nerds duke it out

its just silly if 2 people use swear words against each other, lets keep it civil


Brawn got reactivated as a zombie der! :D:p

[Gutsman Heavy]

Brawn got reactivated as a zombie der! :D:p

Brawn was working for the 'cons all along, hence why he was only winged in TF:TM

[Adzma]

heck its fun to watch 2 fanboy nerds duke it out
"I say Episode I sucked more!"
-"And I say Episode II sucked more!"

http://www.freewebs.com/sapphireminx/eabf10_11_lenny_carl_lichtschwerter.jpg

:D

[Autocon]

I agree. TF questions which have historically proven to be unresolvable topics of debate should be added to the list of "unresolvable issues" in the board rules here alongside religion, politics etc.

Examples include:
+ FIRRIB/RIRFIB
+ Did Brawn die in TFTM?
+ Unicron vs ________

As the ATT FAQ says, "These are questions, statements, etc., that have been discussed so thoroughly, or are so incredibly pointless, that even one post about them is a waste of bandwidth."

(-_-)


lol i didnt read the FAQ:o

didnt realise it was such a heated topic:confused::eek:

ive only watched the cartoons so just figured that was that heh heh

EDIT: maybe they have some ability that allows them to change colours BUT because they are identicle they can only be a certain colour to each other so not to confuse the other Dcons!!

when one is red the other must be blue!!!

Problem solved:cool:

[roller]

wooooo the cartoon lovers are catching up!!! We need 2 more super people to vote and is then tie :)

[Paulbot]

lol i didnt read the FAQ:o

didnt realise it was such a heated topic:confused::eek:

It's not our FAQ, although maybe we need an FAQ, and is a valid question to ask, but yes it can be heated :)

[roller]

wooooo neck and neck

c'mon loyal G1 cartoon lovers, we need another vote to kick the comic in the afterburner

Rumble blueeeeee:D

[GoktimusPrime]

Don't even get me started on a G1 cartoon vs. comic debate there boy! ;)

[Golden Phoenix]

Don't even get me started on a G1 cartoon vs. comic debate there boy! ;)

Shouldn't that be covered "unresolvable topics" rule :p

[STL]

Shouldn't that be covered "unresolvable topics" rule :p

i don't mind it tbh. I like reading the discussions as long as they aren't trying to propound the one view that is right and belittle others and seeing why people take the sides that they do.

[kup]

http://www.geocities.com/wow_frostwolf/fun/FIBRIR.jpg

[GoktimusPrime]

On that note...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/Photocomic%20Classics%20Gatchaman/classics_gatcha13.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/Photocomic%20Classics%20Gatchaman/classics_gatcha14.jpg

:D

[Golden Phoenix]

Oh wait.
I completely forgot that this whole debate was settled years ago. We had an answer and everything:
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/jimmey-11/Cartoons/lf0038.jpg

[Paulbot]

Where's that Lil Formers cartoon that answers it?
That's what I'm talking about!

[GoktimusPrime]

What disappoints me more about cartoon Frenzy isn't just the stuffed up colours with Rumble, but the fact that the cartoon writers made him a clone of Rumble... especially Transformers The Movie which showed Frenzy being able to transform his arms into piledrivers like Rumble and make earthquakes.

I don't remember cartoon Frenzy ever using his actual power (which he did use in the G1, G2 and AHM comics). Soundwave used it in "The Ultimate Doom" (audio-disruptor waves)... as a kid I always thought to myself that Soundwave was accessing Frenzy's power because Frenzy was inside his chest. Of course, that would also mean that he would be able to access powers of other cassettes - like being able to generate earthquakes when Rumble's in his chest, but I never thought it out that far in 1985 (or maybe I thought that Soundwave could have done it but the need never arose... I can't remember :p).

Then there was the number of times they mixed the colours of the Decepticon jets showing them using each other's abilities... like seeing Starscream teleport. :p