Transformers questions by newbies, and not-so-newbies

[UltraMarginal]

Dear experienced transformer peoples.
My 14 yr old son has been collecting transformers since he was three (ok I promised him a thunderbird and couldn't find one and ended up with a transformer).
My problem is that he has saved birthday money etc to buy PX01 genesis from robot world. We picked it up from the post office this weekend only to find a box with everything but the transformer in it. It came from Steven Chen in Hong Kong. Has anyone had any dealings with these people. Have we just wasted our money. We have advised PayPal but have no idea what has happened.
Not had much to do with the internet, and this is my first question I have ever asked, yes I am IT challenged, but the look on his face (and mine) has galvanised me Into action.
No idea whether this is even the right place to start, but here's hoping.
Thanks. Transformer mum


Steven Chen is from Robot Kingdom (http://www.robotkingdom.com/contacts/index/enquiry), a reputable site many of us here use, so i would expect them to help you sort it out if you contacted them direct.


Strange that the robot could be missing. It's really BIG. Expensive too.

If it comes to a dispute you will need every bit of information and communication you have. If you have the shipping invoice (papers attached to the box) check the weight - I could see that as being a huge piece of evidence to prove weather the robot was in there when the parcel was sent.

Where exactly did you order from?

Both pieces of advice above are good. I don't know the guy myself (and wouldn't have been able to tell you he works with Robot Kingdom) but I've shopped with Robot Kingdom many times and find them to be very reliable.

I would be interested to hear how it works out for you.

[DELTAprime]

Question for anyone thats used TRU in America with shipping to Australia.

I ordered MMPR Legacy Dragonzord and Legacy Dragon Dagger from TRU US. They arrived today in a massively oversized and beat up box. Does TRU normally ship items in inappropriate packaging or are they normally better than this?

[millhouse]

Question for anyone thats used TRU in America with shipping to Australia.

I ordered MMPR Legacy Dragonzord and Legacy Dragon Dagger from TRU US. They arrived today in a massively oversized and beat up box. Does TRU normally ship items in inappropriate packaging or are they normally better than this?

Nah, they're shite, to be blunt.

[Skullcruncher]

Whats the name of the Japanese G1 black micromaster transport truck that usually has a 'cybertron' sticker on his side? :confused:

[Sinnertwin]

Are you thinking of the Micro Trailers?
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Micro_Trailer

[griffin]

Whats the name of the Japanese G1 black micromaster transport truck that usually has a 'cybertron' sticker on his side? :confused:

Not sure if they have names, but the black one with a zero on the side came with Sky Garry (http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/SkyGarry/skygarry.htm) and the black one with an Autobot symbol came with Star Convoy (http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/StarConvoy/starconvoy.htm), while the white ones came with some of the regular Micromasters (http://heroicdecepticon.blogspot.com.au/2010/04/hk-toy-hunt-causeway-bay-and.html), with numbers up to 12 on the sides. It looks like the Micromasters that were released on cards in 1990 in Japan, were re-released in 1991 in boxes with a trailer in each box.

Hopefully that was the trailers you were referring to.

[griffin]

Are you thinking of the Micro Trailers?
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Micro_Trailer


Or just look up tfwiki... and save yourself about 15 minutes looking up sources online. :o

[DELTAprime]

I got a Star Convoy last week he includes one Micro Trailer but has space for two. It's a really nice accessory.

[Skullcruncher]

Awesome thanks guys!!! Microtrailers huh :)


Not sure if they have names, but the black one with a zero on the side came with Sky Garry (http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/SkyGarry/skygarry.htm) and the black one with an Autobot symbol came with Star Convoy (http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/StarConvoy/starconvoy.htm), while the white ones came with some of the regular Micromasters (http://heroicdecepticon.blogspot.com.au/2010/04/hk-toy-hunt-causeway-bay-and.html), with numbers up to 12 on the sides. It looks like the Micromasters that were released on cards in 1990 in Japan, were re-released in 1991 in boxes with a trailer in each box.

Hopefully that was the trailers you were referring to.

Excellent, so I found a Sky Garry trailer while I'm packing up my collection for when I move house in about a month. Hopefully I come across Garry as well :D

[blackoptimus]

Is the MP-08 2014 Grimlock Reissue crown the same crown that the Hasbro MP-03 Grimlock's?

[millhouse]

Is the MP-08 2014 Grimlock Reissue crown the same crown that the Hasbro MP-03 Grimlock's?

Nope. MP-08 reissue is the metal crown from a different sculpt to Hasbro MP-3 2014 Grimlock's plastic vac-metalised crown.

[GoktimusPrime]

:confused: The original crown is already pretty G1 accurate... so what's the new one based on?

[Tober]

So Shogo Hasui was taken off the Masterpiece line to work on AoE toys. So now that AoE is winding down, is it known what he will be doing next?

[DELTAprime]

So Shogo Hasui was taken off the Masterpiece line to work on AoE toys. So now that AoE is winding down, is it known what he will be doing next?

Hope he gets put back on MP's. I'd like more than one designer on the MP team cranking out more high quality MP's.

If he doesn't go back onto MP's I hope he gets the main Generations line. I'm a little disappointed in the moulds in that line as of late, but that may be down to Hasbro's cost cutting not Takara's design team.

[blackoptimus]

Nope. MP-08 reissue is the metal crown from a different sculpt to Hasbro MP-3 2014 Grimlock's plastic vac-metalised crown.

I've heard that the crown on MP-08 does not sit right on the figures head, is this with all of them or is it just a few defected ones in the release?

[Bidoofdude]

This could probably go in the misc toy section but it has relevance to TFs. I'm thinking about getting a symbiote suit Spiderman figure to go with Generations Gears when he arrives. Can anyone recommend a specific figure that is affordable? He'd go on my Classics shelf, so some scale would be recommended. I don't mind him being as big as the new Legends size.

[millhouse]

I've heard that the crown on MP-08 does not sit right on the figures head, is this with all of them or is it just a few defected ones in the release?

From memory, haven't had an issue with either. Both crowns are on display at the moment and fit fine. Maybe the metal one was tight, but it stays on fine?

[GoktimusPrime]

This could probably go in the misc toy section but it has relevance to TFs. I'm thinking about getting a symbiote suit Spiderman figure to go with Generations Gears when he arrives. Can anyone recommend a specific figure that is affordable? He'd go on my Classics shelf, so some scale would be recommended. I don't mind him being as big as the new Legends size.
I use a Heroclix Symbiote Spider-Man. It's non-articulated, but the scale is close-ish. :o

[Bidoofdude]

I use a Heroclix Symbiote Spider-Man. It's non-articulated, but the scale is close-ish. :o

Looks alright. I'll do some looking around the interwebs. :)

[Destructicon]

Hi guys, I'm currently looking at buying a Japanese G1 C-77 Rodimus Prime and the question I have is.... how do I tell the difference between the Jap G1 and the reissue that was released some time around 2000 or so ??? the reason i ask is because the boxes look the same.. with no real differences in colour ...so I am a bit confused. Are there obvious dates on the box or figure I should be looking for ? Any help would be much appreciated or if this has been answered just point me in the right direction. Thank you Lads. :)

[Sinnertwin]

Hi guys, I'm currently looking at buying a Japanese G1 C-77 Rodimus Prime and the question I have is.... how do I tell the difference between the Jap G1 and the reissue that was released some time around 2000 or so ??? the reason i ask is because the boxes look the same.. with no real differences in colour ...so I am a bit confused. Are there obvious dates on the box or figure I should be looking for ? Any help would be much appreciated or if this has been answered just point me in the right direction. Thank you Lads. :)

The Hasbro and Takara reissues should have
Hasbro 1986,2004
Takara.Co.Ltd 1986,2004
CHINA
stamped on his underside.

HIs trailer should also have
Hasbro 1986
Takara.Co.Ltd 1986
CHINA along with
CE HASBRO SA (c) 2011 TOMY
C1063B A0388
or variations of the above. I'll have to dig up my Japanese reissue and double check.

As for the box, if it looks like this (http://tfsource.com/products/view/product_id/6321/), then it's a reissue (the original release shouldn't have an extra block of text almost running under the Autobot logo next to the large C77 up top)

Hope that helps a bit :) If you can, post a link or photo.

[BruiseLee]

This could probably go in the misc toy section but it has relevance to TFs. I'm thinking about getting a symbiote suit Spiderman figure to go with Generations Gears when he arrives. Can anyone recommend a specific figure that is affordable? He'd go on my Classics shelf, so some scale would be recommended. I don't mind him being as big as the new Legends size.

If you mind a slightly SD version, there's a superheroes squad version of the black suit Spidey. Has some articulation too. If Gears was going to be a Dlx, then the 3.75 inch Spidey from the Marvel Universe line would be ideal but a bit too big for a legends sized bot.

[GoktimusPrime]

The reissue will have a different Takara logo. The back of the box won't have a tech specs or robot points either.

[millhouse]

Looks alright. I'll do some looking around the interwebs. :)

When the 1994 animated series was out, you could get a little playset that looked like a comic, with two figures (very limited articulation). One was a black spidey suit.
*googles*
Here we are: http://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Spiderman-Pocket-Comics-Playset/dp/B00361TT1G

Pocket Comics. Unfortunately it was Venom, not Spidey. Sorry!

[Destructicon]

Firstly, thank you for the feedback, that clears a lot things up. I didn't notice those small differences on the front of the box. :) Ill post some pictures later when i get some better ones off the seller. Thanks again guys :)

[griffin]

Anything with a Tomy logo (or TakaraTomy logo) on the front of the box is after the merger in 2005, so are a definite reissue.

This is a site (http://www.soundwavesoblivion.com/japanesereissues.html) I use A LOT for archived toy lists and details, especially for JP toys (because TFWiki was Westernised, so is not a reliable source for looking up Japanese toys), and there are quite a few galleries on there as well to help identify which boxed version you might be looking at. (if it isn't a KO)

[GoktimusPrime]

Excuse the blurriness of the pics -- I just quickly grabbed them off Google.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/hotrodreissuecompar_zps9ad0828e.jpg

[Sky Shadow]

Excuse the blurriness of the pics -- I just quickly grabbed them off Google.

That Rodimus Prime doesn't seem to have opened the Matrix.

[GoktimusPrime]

Gah! I was thinking in Japanese at the time, where they're both called "Rodimus" (i.e. "Hot Rodimus" / "Rodimus Convoy") :rolleyes: But the differences should be pretty much the same (except for the sticker; only the 2000 Takara reissues have those, and Rodimus Convoy was reissued in 2001).

Okay, just quickly grabbed and spliced these images off Google. The one on the left is the original G1, on the right is the reissue.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/rodimusconvoycompar_zps9b756219.jpg
I could only find pics of their box fronts, but I imagine that the differences on the back should be akin to that shown between the Hot Rodimi (i.e. tech specs, robot points, size of artwork etc.)

[CyberiusPrime]

Just a question, the AOE blu ray statue pack, will that play
on AU region? Also is it standard blu ray or does a 3D version
come inter box?

On another note will Generations Jetfire be released here in AU?
As am tempted to order it with my G1 slo

Cheers

[BigTransformerTrev]

Just a question, the AOE blu ray statue pack, will that play
on AU region? Also is it standard blu ray or does a 3D version
come inter box?

On another note will Generations Jetfire be released here in AU?
As am tempted to order it with my G1 slo

Cheers

Not sure about the Blu Ray mate, depends on where you order it from and what version. I'd have a look at what different aussie stores such as the aus JB Hifi will have to sell on thier websites.

As for Jetfire, I wouldn't hold your breath. The last lot of generations toys to reach our shore were the AoE and the Fall of Cybertron toys. It seems unless it's related to a big release in another entertainment genre that most Generations toys don't reach here :(

[jazzcomp]

Thought original takara boxes have takara written at the bottom right with an oblong around it? Not these jap characters?
like this box logo (http://tformers.net/g/generated/15970/devastator-transformers-takara__scaled_600.jpg)

[DELTAprime]

Just a question, the AOE blu ray statue pack, will that play
on AU region? Also is it standard blu ray or does a 3D version
come inter box?


Paramount normally doesn't region lock their Blu-ray's. We won't know for certain till release but it's pretty good bet that it won't be locked. The digital copy included might be region locked tho as iTunes is region locked. The 3D Blu-ray is not included.

For DOTM the 3D Blu-ray didn't get released till about 4 months after the 2D version. I have a bad feeling they might be doing the same thing again since there are no preorders available for the 3D version.

[GoktimusPrime]

Thought original takara boxes have takara written at the bottom right with an oblong around it? Not these jap characters?
like this box logo (http://tformers.net/g/generated/15970/devastator-transformers-takara__scaled_600.jpg)
That link doesn't work, but Takara has used various different logos, even among toys released in the same year. AFAIK all the 1985 TFs featured the entirely Romanised 'TAKARA' logo inside an oval border.
e.g. Convoy (https://s3.amazonaws.com/tf.images/reduced-image_1777_106.jpg), Slag (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2932/14401606629_3021190882_c.jpg), Soundwave (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uelWm0xyh3U/UKzYEI0cVLI/AAAAAAAAD4M/Ei3EsexPcwE/s320/2633221440100811158S500x500Q85.jpg), Laserwave (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3vEDN017AaY/UKzYFeodW5I/AAAAAAAAD4c/5gbEciyldxM/s320/2796830040100811158S500x500Q85.jpg), Grapple (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HIuTE-rjS7Q/UKzX9Dmv2xI/AAAAAAAAD3M/pS3QvjyAimQ/s320/2112881980100811158S500x500Q85.jpg), Perceptor (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p1hhKCq7WRo/UKzYI7IaX_I/AAAAAAAAD48/Y8njJtmgYu0/s320/2814651020100811158S500x500Q85.jpg), Broadcast (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B0NZ7fS7I4Q/UKzYBbJ9jTI/AAAAAAAAD30/_LvB-Exgdwk/s320/2451707810100811158S600x600Q85.jpg), Ultra Magnus (https://s3.amazonaws.com/tf.images/reduced-jg1c69ul-b.jpg), Galvatron (https://s3.amazonaws.com/tf.images/reduced-image_1494_106.jpg) etc.

In 1986 it seems that Takara began phasing in another logo, "遊びは文化 タカラ" (Playing is Culture: TAKARA); Japanese text inside white square with "Dakko-chan" mascot. Some 1986 Takara TFs still used the old logo, such as Pipes (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UYfA4nkGgNE/UKzaRq-FzHI/AAAAAAAAD8E/rPiiGIfrLs0/s320/2796039790100811158S600x600Q85.jpg), Superion (https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5153/14401769287_64cc9be4d9_c.jpg), the Combatrons (https://s3.amazonaws.com/tf.images/reduced-image_1674_106.jpg) etc., while others in that year started sporting the new Dakko-chan logo, such as Bruticus (https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5253/5452379367_470bf3a9f3_z.jpg), Cyclonus (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wTvnroqeek4/UKzaGhIBZsI/AAAAAAAAD6U/iDr2xGb0knM/s320/2362819660100811158S500x500Q85.jpg), the Animatrons (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Jn4ZNvAnWlY/UKzaQ-FgZ_I/AAAAAAAAD78/fPmqcNdK7Ws/s320/2775201840100811158S500x500Q85.jpg), the Goodbye gift sets (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mmQapmOD8I0/UKzaTbkEvQI/AAAAAAAAD8U/3RFHN6isixI/s320/2875516510100811158S500x500Q85.jpg), Menasor (http://www.seibertron.com/images/ebay/g1-menasor-misb.jpg), and of course, Hot Rodimus and Rodimus Convoy etc. And as far as I can tell, Takara continued to use this logo for the rest of the 1980s...
e.g.
1987: Rippersnapper (http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/download/file.php?id=31521), Fortress Maximus (http://www.seibertron.com/images/ebay/featured/fortress-maximus.jpg), Stepper, Artfire (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9UeZMxSaReU/UZjJ21H5FqI/AAAAAAAABD4/lrOzKS7a0-c/s1600/IMG_4276.JPG), Skull (https://s3.amazonaws.com/tf.images/reduced-jg1d85sk-b.jpg) etc.
1988: Grand Maximus (http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjA2/z/FykAAMXQJRhRcnXs/$(KGrHqJHJFUFEMMhK4EHBRcn(sNotQ~~60_35.JPG), Darkwings (http://p2.la-img.com/1031/38082/16289681_1_l.jpg), Black Zarak (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1SvuC3Z63Rk/UpNjuwESOAI/AAAAAAAAHTA/Ly_KNWJaCUA/s1600/IMG_3333.jpg). God Ginrai (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EktrmS73a1E/UEewx-wP1KI/AAAAAAAAB7c/z9JDZFXTi8M/s1600/godginrai.JPG) etc.
1989: Machtackle (https://s3.amazonaws.com/tf.images/reduced-jg1c318m.jpg), Star Sabre (http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/attach/4/0/5/9/7/Star_Saber_Box_1_1233781201.jpg), Victory Leo (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/1/4/0/8/Victory-Leo_1346347431.jpg), Road Caesar (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3922/14587493572_1249c19267_c.jpg), Lio Kaiser (https://yy1.staticflickr.com/8120/8959828535_1f46231d66_z.jpg) etc.

However, by the late 1980s, Takara's Dakko-chan mascot caused controversy (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/32149), and subsequently by 1990 Takara had removed it from their logo.
e.g. 1990: Dai Atlas (https://s3.amazonaws.com/tf.images/reduced-image_1659_106.jpg) | 1991: Star Convoy (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-collection-showcase/27185719d1284976583-quickswitchroks-g1-collection-some-anyway-star-convoy-re-size.jpg) | 1992: Battle Gaea (http://obakenaneko.cocolog-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/02/19/img_1217.jpg)
Takara continued to use this logo up until 2003 (http://tripredacus.net/images/toys/Transformers/2002/_jp/mc-06_STDconvoy.jpg).

In 2004 Takara changed to the TAKARA logo (possibly for the 20th anniversary) as can be seen on lines such as: Super Link (http://im0-a.mbokimg.dena.ne.jp/3/7/307/385370307.1.jpg), Binaltech (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/items-sale-trade/27309772d1342964496-masterpiece-transformers-binaltechs-3rd-party-tfs-more-sale-bt-overdrive-1.jpg), Binaltech Asterisk (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3334/3553112072_43b42b9df7.jpg), G1 reissues (http://www.toyarena.com/images/4904880124442.jpg) (post-2003), Masterpiece (https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=667&q=takara+g1+aerialbot&oq=takara+g1+aerialbot&gs_l=img.3...590.4523.0.4731.19.7.0.10.10.0.444.76 2.3-1j1.2.0....0...1ac.1.51.img..16.3.765.1AbdZxQW4Nk# hl=en&q=transformers+mp-1+convoy&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=C7m8YflKUr0dLM%253A%3B-PvrTJ79rGUgLM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.suncomic.co m.my%252Fstore%252F%252Fimages%252FMP01-1%252520convoy%2525204.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fww w.suncomic.com.my%252Fstore%252F%252Findex.php%253 Fmain_page%253Dproduct_info%2526products_id%253D21 12%3B500%3B500), Galaxy Force (http://www.toyarena.com/images/GC04DREAD.jpg) etc.
Then of course, Takara merged with TOMY in 2006 and switched to using the current TakaraTOMY logo. e.g. Henkei (http://www.toyarena.com/images/4904810333265.jpg), TF Prime (http://lmb3.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/sw-a.jpg), Movieverse (http://static.shmax.com/photos/sku/8803/jetwing_optimus_prime/l/front), new Masterpiece (http://www.toyarena.com/images/4904810459989.JPG), Encore reissues (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W5RHQaG0az8/UVBjfzsMv-I/AAAAAAAAOE4/7keCjHWJBhg/s1600/FortressMaximus14.jpg) etc.
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P.S.: Please be aware that Jap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap) is considered a racial slur against Japanese people. "JP" is a more officially acceptable (and shorter!) abbreviation for "Japanese" (e.g. .jp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.jp), JPY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_yen) etc.). Thank you.

[blackoptimus]

Does anybody know any bbts or tfsource coupon codes that are currently available for discounts?

[UltraMarginal]

Does anybody know any bbts or tfsource coupon codes that are currently available for discounts?

I've never known BBTS to have coupons. they have a big clearance at least twice a year and a lot of the clearance prices stick after the clearance finishes being advertised.

no Idea about TF source.

[Deonasis]

Gok, thanks for the very interesting news about the Dakko-chan mascot that Takara once used. Something i had never heard about. :thumbsup

[jazzcomp]

That link doesn't work, but Takara has used various different logos, even among toys released in the same year. AFAIK all the 1985 TFs featured the entirely Romanised 'TAKARA' logo inside an oval border.
P.S.: Please be aware that Jap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap) is considered a racial slur against Japanese people. "JP" is a more officially acceptable (and shorter!) abbreviation for "Japanese" (e.g. .jp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.jp), JPY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_yen) etc.). Thank you.
Box logo fix (http://tformers.net/g/generated/15970/devastator-transformers-takara__scaled_600.jpg) (just added http)

Apologies. Since I wasn't referring to a person but the language or written form of it, I wasn't aware of the racial aspect. I will use JP in the future.

[Bidoofdude]

Do ANY online retailers still have Hasbro Generations Hoist? BBTS, TFSource, The Chosen Prime and Robot Kingdom are sold out/not available. I've checked ebay, cheapest I could find was about $35 shipped.

[Sinnertwin]

Do ANY online retailers still have Hasbro Generations Hoist? BBTS, TFSource, The Chosen Prime and Robot Kingdom are sold out/not available. I've checked ebay, cheapest I could find was about $35 shipped.

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=transformers+generations+hoist&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Atransformers+generations+hoist)ha s a few
But $35 shipped to your door isn't too bad either :)

[BigTransformerTrev]

I'm sure it's listed here somewhere on the site, but does anyone know if we will be getting AoE Deluxe Lockdown & Snarl and Voyager Slog on our shores?

[Paulbot]

I'm sure it's listed here somewhere on the site, but does anyone know if we will be getting AoE Deluxe Lockdown & Snarl and Voyager Slog on our shores?

Slog was just spotted in South Australia (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=432536)

The deluxe waves/revisions with Lockdown and Snarl should come here - no official word either way though.

[Tober]

Does anyone know how unlicensed third-party product is seen by the Japanese Transformers community?

Is it widely accepted or taboo over there? I ask because I don't see any Japanese stores stocking it. Not even just the accessories, but maybe I am looking in the wrong places.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

It might have something to do with the limited wholesale range of third party stuff as they wouldn't have the same output and contacts that TT would have. I am going off the assumption that where you are looking is HLJ and the usual Japanese shops.

Just a thought.

My question:
Are Star Saber and the other Brainmasters still the same dudes when they aren't in their transtector bodies? I see that TF wiki states that the BM little robots are referred to as Brain of courage etc, but surely they'd still be SS and pals? Or is it considered that the brain robots are personality-less until they combine with their Transtector bodies?

[kurdt_the_goat]

Does anyone know how unlicensed third-party product is seen by the Japanese Transformers community?

Is it widely accepted or taboo over there? I ask because I don't see any Japanese stores stocking it. Not even just the accessories, but maybe I am looking in the wrong places.

I've seen City Commander, Hegemon and some 3P Constructicon bots in a few shops in DenDenTown... and i'm pretty sure Mandarake have also listed a few at some point.

[DELTAprime]

Does anyone know how unlicensed third-party product is seen by the Japanese Transformers community?

Is it widely accepted or taboo over there? I ask because I don't see any Japanese stores stocking it. Not even just the accessories, but maybe I am looking in the wrong places.

I've been told by a couple of people that the Japanese don't like KO's and 3rd party. It's a cultural thing apparently.

[Tober]

It might have something to do with the limited wholesale range of third party stuff as they wouldn't have the same output and contacts that TT would have. I am going off the assumption that where you are looking is HLJ and the usual Japanese shops.

Just a thought.


I've seen City Commander, Hegemon and some 3P Constructicon bots in a few shops in DenDenTown... and i'm pretty sure Mandarake have also listed a few at some point.

Cool, thanks. :)


I've been told by a couple of people that the Japanese don't like KO's and 3rd party. It's a cultural thing apparently.

I'm not suprised about the KOs. The unlicensed stuff, I get the feeling they shun it, but maybe not so much the accessories as the bots.

[GoktimusPrime]

Does anyone know how unlicensed third-party product is seen by the Japanese Transformers community?

Is it widely accepted or taboo over there? I ask because I don't see any Japanese stores stocking it. Not even just the accessories, but maybe I am looking in the wrong places.
They're synonymous with KOs. Japanese fans that I've spoken to refer to both KOs and third party stuff as 海賊版 ('bootlegs'). What we call Third Parties is often referred to as 中国の海賊版 ('Chinese bootlegs')... which I know is weird, because the counterfeits are made in China too. Unlicensed products are extremely rare in Japan because they are pretty tight with enforcing intellectual property laws. And it's also a cultural thing too; e.g. if you compare the average Japanese fan site with a Western one, Japanese fan sites tend not to have content that wasn't created by the site's creator (be it photography, artwork etc.). Screen grabs are rare, and if used, are done sparingly. Even leaked images of toy prototypes marked "Do not distribute" are rarely if ever initially leaked by a Japanese site. AFAIK they're usually leaked by a non-Japanese source first, then maybe a Japanese site like Autobase Aichi will report on it, but they're not the actual initial source of that leak.

Having said that, there does appear to be a market for unlicensed toys in Japan as collectible stores do stock them, and I have come across some Japanese collectors who actually go out of their way to collect counterfeits, simply because they're so rare in Japan! :eek: Even the cheap obviously bad & poor quality KOs that you'd find in a dollar store are actually super-rare in Japan, and as such, some people like collecting them just because of the rarity (for them)! :eek: But I do appreciate how a lot of collectible stores in Japan will explicitly label the high end counterfeits with stickers telling the customer that they are fakes; so people are fully informed when making the purchase. So if you're ever shopping for TFs in a Japanese collectible store and you see a sticker with "海賊版" written on it, it means that it's a fake. :o

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Does anyone know how unlicensed third-party product is seen by the Japanese Transformers community?

Is it widely accepted or taboo over there? I ask because I don't see any Japanese stores stocking it. Not even just the accessories, but maybe I am looking in the wrong places.There's a fair amount of it around in the Osaka hobby shops (Hero Gangu, Mandarake, Jungle), so it's not so frowned upon that stocking it would be unprofitable. It's more of a niche thing than official TF stuff, but it's there and it's not hidden or anything.
That said, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a certain amount of truth to the 'it's frowned upon' thing, just maybe not to the extent most people think.

[griffin]

I remember seeing quite a few at the Mandarake store in Akihabara (http://www.toycollectors.com.au/blog/hkjp7.html).

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/blog/b420.jpg

The Osaka Mandarake store didn't have as many though, but like the Akihabara store, they were kept behind glass as if they were more valuable than regular Transformers that were on the (open) shelves opposite. :confused:
http://www.toycollectors.com.au/blog/b608.jpg

I didn't see much in other Osaka stores though, but I wasn't really looking for anything that wasn't a Transformers toy though. This was at Hero Gang store, with them kept to one side away from the bulk of legit Transformers toys.
http://www.toycollectors.com.au/blog/b538.jpg

[DELTAprime]

Nice photos Griff.

I'm surprised to see Hasbro TF's for sale in Japan. How do the Japanese view Hasbro? I would have guessed that there is no market for them in Japan.

Outside Japan if you put two MISB TF's on ebay, one a Hasbro figure and the other the Takara version of the same figure, the Takara version will sell for more 99% of the time.

Is it the same in Japan or is Hasbro more valuable to them because it's not the local release?

[Tober]

Thanks for your input Gok, Ode and Griff. :)

It seems like there is a market for unlicensed third-party stuff in Japan, but it's not as widely accepted.

[GoktimusPrime]

DELTAprime: Those images are from special collectable stores. You won't find Hasbro Transformers in Japan in regular stores, unless it's been expressly imported by TakaraTOMY. And the same thing happens in Australia; we have specialty import stores here that stock Japanese Transformers, but we rarely see them in regular stores unless it's a special import from Hasbro AU (e.g. MP Ultra Magnus, MP Convoy Perfect Ed., MP Ghost Starscream, Jetwing Optimus Prime, Encore Sky Lynx etc.).

And yeah, in Japan, Hasbro-exclusive Transformers are seen as being far more exotic since they never had them. :) The first time that I had a Japanese TF collector see my collection, he kept on marvelling at toys like Doubleheader and Quake! :eek: I've personally witnessed a Japanese TF fan walk into the room of an Australian TF collector and completely ignore Japanese G1 stuff like Lio Kaiser, Road Caesar, Landcross etc. and make a direct bee line for stuff like the Triggerbots, 1989 Pretenders, 1989 Targetmasters etc.!

[Sinnertwin]

Funny how that works, isn't it? Here i am salivating over a Victory Leo and the Japanese fans are just meh about it
:p

[DELTAprime]

The first time that I had a Japanese TF collector see my collection, he kept on marvelling at toys like Doubleheader and Quake! :eek: I've personally witnessed a Japanese TF fan walk into the room of an Australian TF collector and completely ignore Japanese G1 stuff like Lio Kaiser, Road Caesar, Landcross etc. and make a direct bee line for stuff like the Triggerbots, 1989 Pretenders, 1989 Targetmasters etc.!

Wow, thats hilarious.

As for a question about a Takara only TF. I'm still slowly completing the cast of TFA. I just remembered that the Takara only Wingblade (not Windblade) Optimus Prime exist. Is there anything super breakable I should look out for on him given that he's made from clear plastic?

[Megatran]

Does anyone know if there will be a Megatron Evolutions 2-pack? Surely a character of such significance deserves his place in this toy line.

[christalcase]

Wondering if anyone knows how many MP Prowls TRU Aust got because my local has restocked 20 of them whereas MP Sunstorm and Grimlock is very limited.

I know the quantities TRU got for Sunstorm and Grimlock so wanted to see whether it's just Prowl is very unpopular due to the overpriceness or TRU got heaps of Prowl.

[Sinnertwin]

Wondering if anyone knows how many MP Prowls TRU Aust got because my local has restocked 20 of them whereas MP Sunstorm and Grimlock is very limited.

I know the quantities TRU got for Sunstorm and Grimlock so wanted to see whether it's just Prowl is very unpopular due to the overpriceness or TRU got heaps of Prowl.

1200.

[Sky Shadow]

Does anyone know if there will be a Megatron Evolutions 2-pack? Surely a character of such significance deserves his place in this toy line.

Since Megatron was a dismembered head in Age of Extinction, it would be something like Legends gun Megatron with Megatron Megabolt. If the Evolutions line continues after AOE, a Megatron set might happen, but don't hold your breath. There's still the Japanese Chronicle set though, which is a better pair of toys than an Evolutions one would ever be.

[Sinnertwin]

A question for anybody who has bought from Entertainmentearth.com
Did you receive an email requesting your personal & credit card details faxed/emailed through back to them? i preordered this (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FIG29904R) yesterday, entered all of the relevant details & received an email today asking me submit it along with a signature all over again :confused: i haven't sent anything through yet as it seemed a bit odd

[GoktimusPrime]

Someone's telling me that there's an add on kit for FoC Ultra Magnus which is an officially licensed third party product (much like say CM Corps' licensed 3rd party stuff). Is this true? :confused:

[Bidoofdude]

Someone's telling me that there's an add on kit for FoC Ultra Magnus which is an officially licensed third party product (much like say CM Corps' licensed 3rd party stuff). Is this true? :confused:

No. It's a 3rd party unofficial add on kit. He must have been confused in the terms official and 3rd party.

[GoktimusPrime]

According to a Transformers "fact sheet" on p.22 of the August issue of K-Zone, "In the animated series, Optimus Prime is not a fan of rap music." Huh? :confused:

[UltraMarginal]

A question for anybody who has bought from Entertainmentearth.com
Did you receive an email requesting your personal & credit card details faxed/emailed through back to them? i preordered this (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FIG29904R) yesterday, entered all of the relevant details & received an email today asking me submit it along with a signature all over again :confused: i haven't sent anything through yet as it seemed a bit odd

No idea mate, sounds a bit odd.

[liegeprime]

A question for anybody who has bought from Entertainmentearth.com
Did you receive an email requesting your personal & credit card details faxed/emailed through back to them? i preordered this (http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FIG29904R) yesterday, entered all of the relevant details & received an email today asking me submit it along with a signature all over again :confused: i haven't sent anything through yet as it seemed a bit odd

That sounds... dodgy. anyone asking for personal AND credit card details and signatures.... nope don't send anything. Go to the official website again and contact them thru there to verify if they sent you that email. That way it's clear if they did or someone's phising and got a hold of your email. Even Paypal has these email warning notices from time to time saying they would never ever ask for someones details , blahblah blah. So, they advice not to send or respond as these are hackers.

[Paulbot]

Sounds like the Official TF Collectors Club...

[Sinnertwin]

I sent them an email yesterday. But, yeah, credit card details along with my signature? Here, you may as well take the keys to my house too


Sounds like the Official TF Collectors Club...

i was thinking that too. Lets see what they say

[BigTransformerTrev]

Do US blu-rays work here? Thinking of pre-ordering the AoE that comes with the Grimlock statue from Amazon

[Zommael]

Do US blu-rays work here? Thinking of pre-ordering the AoE that comes with the Grimlock statue from Amazon

I think it should, as I believe Paramount don't region code their Blu-Rays (or so I've read elsewhere on this site).

[DELTAprime]

I think it should, as I believe Paramount don't region code their Blu-Rays (or so I've read elsewhere on this site).

http://regionfreemovies.com/studio/Paramount

Only 3% of Paramounts Blu-rays are confirmed to have region protection. It's a fairly good bet that AOE won't have any.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I think it should, as I believe Paramount don't region code their Blu-Rays (or so I've read elsewhere on this site).


http://regionfreemovies.com/studio/Paramount

Only 3% of Paramounts Blu-rays are confirmed to have region protection. It's a fairly good bet that AOE won't have any.

Hope so, otherwise I suppose I'll get a chance to cancel my pre-order in the next few months if it turns out to be otherwise. Guessing that the Amazon exclusive wont be the first version to become available so should get a heads up. Cheers guys :)

[Eddielai2002]

I don't get it when there is a date at the top of the topic saying generation jetfire and voyager class TF4 wave 3 releasing at toysrus on 3/9 to 16/9. Are those the speculated date? Is it confirmed? Because I rang for jetfire on Sunday and they told me nothing of the sort is coming yet. neither those mp sun storm or grimlock

[Sinnertwin]

I don't get it when there is a date at the top of the topic saying generation jetfire and voyager class TF4 wave 3 releasing at toysrus on 3/9 to 16/9. Are those the speculated date? Is it confirmed? Because I rang for jetfire on Sunday and they told me nothing of the sort is coming yet. neither those mp sun storm or grimlock

It can be confusing at first, but it reads:
AUS Retail Sales - TRU 3/9-16/9

Latest items here - GEN Leader Jetfire <> MP-04 Prowl, MP-03 Grimlock, MP-05 Sunstorm

TF4 MOVIE TOYS wave 3 VOYAGER etc

But in answer to your question, Jetfire has been spotted at smaller, independant stores like Toy Mate, Toy World & Uncle Pete's for $100

[autobreadticon]

Heya can someone please tell me what this item is?

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/46oAAOSwibJTyHFL/$_57.JPG

cant seem to find a guide on whether these are fake or real
cheers

[griffin]

Oops, lost the "br" code in that box.
Fixed now.

[griffin]

Apparently legit (http://www.fredsworkshop.com/vminibots.html#china), as China were making the Gen1 toys (http://www.fredsworkshop.com/vchina.html) during the late 80s and early 90s (some of which we got here just before the gold-box classics came here - I bought quite a few of them during 1992).

[autobreadticon]

Apparently legit (http://www.fredsworkshop.com/vminibots.html#china), as China were making the Gen1 toys (http://www.fredsworkshop.com/vchina.html) during the late 80s and early 90s (some of which we got here just before the gold-box classics came here - I bought quite a few of them during 1992).

So these were released in Australia?, wow

do you have any carded ones in your collection these days, really appreciate any pictures.

it looks like the little black sticker (asia variant sticker) on the top right corner has been removed for most of these on sale,wonder if it was standard for this release

[Sky Shadow]

So these were released in Australia?, wow

do you have any carded ones in your collection these days, really appreciate any pictures.

Not the carded Minibots, the 1984-6 Decepticons (Soundwave and Buzzsaw; Starscream; Ramjet; Cyclonus.)

[blackoptimus]

Does anybody know if they are going to release a platinum edition movie snarl to go along with this box set and will any of the platinum edition figures be released in Australia?

http://tformers.com/official-images-platinum-edition-dinbots-and-more-shared-exclusive-transformers-age-of-extinction-figures/24354/news.html

[UltraMarginal]

Does anybody know if they are going to release a platinum edition movie snarl to go along with this box set and will any of the platinum edition figures be released in Australia?

http://tformers.com/official-images-platinum-edition-dinbots-and-more-shared-exclusive-transformers-age-of-extinction-figures/24354/news.html

No idea, though given the number of repaints being made for this movie toy line, I'd be surprised if they didn't release one somewhere.

[griffin]

So these were released in Australia?, wow

do you have any carded ones in your collection these days, really appreciate any pictures.

it looks like the little black sticker (asia variant sticker) on the top right corner has been removed for most of these on sale,wonder if it was standard for this release

I should have added, that ours didn't have the Chinese writing sticker on them... and I don't have any of the packaging from back then. :(
I remember that they weren't around for very long, and I think were only at Toyworld and ToysRUs.

TFwiki says that the (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Classics_%28Europe%29) Gold Box Classics were produced in 1990-1991 (which is why they were included in the UK comics during that time), but I just can't recall them getting here until at least late 1992.
Cliffbee's listing (http://www.cliffbee.com/aussietf.htm) also has European dates listed for the Gold Box Classics, but might just be their production dates, not Australian release dates?

Dates that I know are true, thanks to moving around a lot in the early 90s, so can recall what stores/suburbs I bought certain figures...
Early 1992 - the nearby Toyworld was only stocking European Actionmasters, because it was the once chance I had to get to a toystore and afford a new TFs toy before we moved in the middle of the year, I was forced to buy AM Circuit, as it was the best looking one in their small selection.
Mid 1992 - I had moved in July, which allowed me to check a major shopping centre after school, and I found the Gen1 boxed figures, that weren't there when I was first checking out those stores.
End of 1992 - I had moved again in November, which allowed me to go through the CBD that year. I remember the Myer CBD store getting in the Combiners and not being able to afford all of the Combaticons, which they were short on and sold out before I could afford them.
1993 - my acquisitions list has a number of the gold-box figures being bought during this year.

I also have some old store sale catalogues from the 90s, which aren't a good indicator of release dates though, as some stores have items listed on clearance, many months after its release.
September 1992 - Kmart - Euro Turbomasters & Predators ($13), and Motorvators (in Classics Gold boxes).
June 1993 - Kmart - Euro Aquaspeeders & Stormtroopers ($15).
October 1993 - TRU - Cyclonus, Ramjet, Starscream (could be Gen1 box versions due to Cyclonus being there, and being a lot cheaper than Gold Box versions). ($12)
November 1993 - TRU - UK Obliterator ($35), Trakkons ($20), Skyscorchers & Accelerators ($7).
November 1993 - Kmart - Gen2 Dinobots ($30), Jets (Ramjet/Starscream) ($33) & Tank Megatron ($60).
May 1994 - TRU - Gen2 Aerialbots ($9), Silverbolt ($35), Rotor Force ($12), Laser Rods ($18).
June 1994 - Toyworld - UK Constructicons (non-combining yellow) ($10).
June 1994 - Toyworld - My First Transformers (reissue) ($20), UK Predators & Turbomasters ($15)
September 1994 - Toyworld - Classics Aerialbots & Protectobots ($10), UK Constructicons ($8).
October 1994 - TRU - Tank Megatron ($20). (must have been a discount from Hasbro at that price)
October 1994 - Toyworld - Sparkabots ($10). (should be the UK Gen2 Sparkabots at that price and Name, but LaserRods were pictured - probably in error).
November 1994 - Toyworld - My First Transformers (reissue) ($22)
November 1994 - TRU - Tank Megatron ($20), Rotorforce ($12), LaserRod ($16)

The ones I remember seeing or buying around the middle of 1992 in the Gen1 packaging were - Starscream, Ramjet, Cyclonus, Blaster, Soundwave/Buzzsaw, Bumblebee, Hubcap, Beachcomber and Seaspray... and I'm sure Optimus as well since it is on my acquisitions list in that batch, but now am not 100% confident.
I know that it was the Gen1 boxed figures that brought me back into collecting in mid 1992, but not the Gold boxes.

(well that was a fun trip down memory lane.)

[griffin]

Does anybody know if they are going to release a platinum edition movie snarl to go along with this box set and will any of the platinum edition figures be released in Australia?

Platinum Edition sets to be released here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=19014).


No idea, though given the number of repaints being made for this movie toy line, I'd be surprised if they didn't release one somewhere.

I'm not so sure if Hasbro America will do one to match the set of chrome & black.
I think we know of all the premium stuff for the rest of this year now, and a one-off chrome/black version of Snarl (to match the Platinum set) might not have any interest to (American) Retailers after the end of this year... due to the DVD being out in America in September and the way consumer interest drops off by the end of the year with the last two Movies.

Hasbro HK *might* do it, since they will have the Platinum set in their market and are a little more collector-focused.
TakaraTomy also might, if they keep doing "Black Knight" editions (which are store exclusives for the Deluxe Dinobots).

I haven't updated the Checklist since BotCon, but so far there have been 3 "Black Knight" Dinobots known for Japan - Leader Grimlock (out as a General Release, but isn't really black so doesn't match the others), Scorn & Slug (images appear black & chrome, but store exclusives in November).
There was also a black Voyager (Nemesis) Grimlock at the JP Expo in August, which would match Scorn & Slug better than the Leader one, but is a Decepticon.

I think the best chance is a Japanese version of Snarl in chrome and black, but only if Scorn and Slug do well as Store Exclusives.


On a side note, the colours and characters in the Hasbro Platinum set really put me off it... so if I do end up getting one from Hasbro to review, I might be a bit more savage about it.
Why have Slog if it is supposed to be Movie Dinobots (by having Scorn in the set)... or why have Scorn instead of Snarl if it is supposed to be Gen1 Dinobots (by having Slog in the set). :confused:
And Black & Chrome... how boring.
The Japanese have shown how there can be alternate deco when releasing Gen1 versions... just like how we had alternate decos of the FOC Combaticons in Stores to the SDCC exclusives. :mad:

[CyberiusPrime]

Evening everyone,

I'm just wondering, the Leader Class Jetfire on Amazon, is that the same figure which is scheduled to be released here? Was there an estimated price/cost?As i am undecided whether to get it along with my G1 Slog or get it locally?

Cheers

[Sinnertwin]

Evening everyone,

I'm just wondering, the Leader Class Jetfire on Amazon, is that the same figure which is scheduled to be released here? Was there an estimated price/cost?As i am undecided whether to get it along with my G1 Slog or get it locally?

Cheers

Yes
$100 AuD at Uncle Pete's & Toy Mate.
Get it delivered from Amazon with G1 Slog.

[DELTAprime]

Hope so, otherwise I suppose I'll get a chance to cancel my pre-order in the next few months if it turns out to be otherwise. Guessing that the Amazon exclusive wont be the first version to become available so should get a heads up. Cheers guys :)

You might want to not order till it's confirmed 100% if your that worried because this is a Blu-ray we are talking about not a Transformers toy that gets released when Hasbro gets around to sending it to BBTS. Games, Blu-ray's and DVD's ship from big guys like Amazon in the US and JB Hifi in Australia before the release so that they will start to arrive on release day (an Amazon order won't arrive in Australia tho till the following week or so). Also release days on media are fairly exact not like toys, if Paramount says AOE will be coming out on the 30th in the US then it will come out that day (barring something on the scale of 9/11). Big movie releases are normally embargoed in America like games are around the world so don't expect any warning as to if it's region free. For some reason the movie companies don't bother here unless it's something like the 6 main Star Wars movies. At JB Hifi in Rocky I will walk in on Monday and all the DVD's and Blu-rays coming out that week are already on sale even if they are not "released" till the Friday.

The risk that Paramount will region lock is remote, remember they have released tens of thousands of different versions of Blu-rays over the years and very few are ever locked. Also remember that the included digital copy almost certainly won't work on an Australian account.

[DELTAprime]

Yes
$100 AuD at Uncle Pete's & Toy Mate.
Get it delivered from Amazon with G1 Slog.

When is Jetfire going to be released here and by who other than Uncle Pete's (which I've never actually seen one of their stores in real life)? I might pick one up locally instead of at BBTS as I'd like to encourage Australian releases of Generations.

[griffin]

September I think was the date Hasbro were aiming for back at Toyfair, so since they've shown up at Toyworld already, expect it soon in the other store-chains within a few weeks.

[BigTransformerTrev]

You might want to not order till it's confirmed 100% if your that worried because this is a Blu-ray we are talking about not a Transformers toy that gets released when Hasbro gets around to sending it to BBTS. Games, Blu-ray's and DVD's ship from big guys like Amazon in the US and JB Hifi in Australia before the release so that they will start to arrive on release day (an Amazon order won't arrive in Australia tho till the following week or so). Also release days on media are fairly exact not like toys, if Paramount says AOE will be coming out on the 30th in the US then it will come out that day (barring something on the scale of 9/11). Big movie releases are normally embargoed in America like games are around the world so don't expect any warning as to if it's region free. For some reason the movie companies don't bother here unless it's something like the 6 main Star Wars movies. At JB Hifi in Rocky I will walk in on Monday and all the DVD's and Blu-rays coming out that week are already on sale even if they are not "released" till the Friday.

The risk that Paramount will region lock is remote, remember they have released tens of thousands of different versions of Blu-rays over the years and very few are ever locked. Also remember that the included digital copy almost certainly won't work on an Australian account.


Yeah I reckon I'll risk it - pretty sure the blu ray on my PC and PS3 will play most any region anyway :)

[millhouse]

Yeah I reckon I'll risk it - pretty sure the blu ray on my PC and PS3 will play most any region anyway :)

The PS3 certainly won't.

[Sinnertwin]

I'm going to be boring and just wait for the poverty pack Australian Blu Ray release.

[5FDP]

The PS3 certainly won't.

Before MK9 was released in Australia (because of our lack of R rating) I imported a copy from the US. Worked fine for me. Is it different for movies?

[BigTransformerTrev]

The PS3 certainly won't.

Really? Crap! What about the DVD?

[millhouse]

Before MK9 was released in Australia (because of our lack of R rating) I imported a copy from the US. Worked fine for me. Is it different for movies?

Yes, completely. PS3 games are only "region locked" in terms of their SD output (NTSC or PAL). Once you are at 720p via HDMI, it means nothing and since most people nowadays are on a HD set with a HDMI cable...

[BigTransformerTrev]

Yes, completely. PS3 games are only "region locked" in terms of their SD output (NTSC or PAL). Once you are at 720p via HDMI, it means nothing and since most people nowadays are on a HD set with a HDMI cable...

But what is like Delta says the blu ray is not region locked?

[millhouse]

Really? Crap! What about the DVD?

Not if it's region locked.

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. Paramount have the rights to the film globally, and being a former backer of HD-DVD prior to Blu-ray Disc, Paramount don't lock their titles with the possible exception being films licensed for certain territories.

Long story short, all TF movies (well, Bay TF movies) have been Paramount titles globally, all have been region free on Blu-ray Disc.

Technically it's still hedging your bets, but the odds are VERY much in your favour, if you know what I mean.

If you want to look into region coding hell, try drooling at some of the Image Entertainment, Criterion Collection, or Shout Factory Blu-ray releases. There's a reason I ensured my player is region free!

General rule: Anything Warner/Universal/Paramount will be region free, except where they don't own the rights globally (and even then, it's just occasionally). Sony is generally pretty lax these days, as is Disney, and the back of their boxes are usually pretty accurate in their region coding IIRC. Fox are a pain, and anything smaller (distributor wise) is very hit and miss!!!

Oh, and Roadshow over here lock all their stuff to Zone B. And are dicks. But that's kind of beside the point.

[millhouse]

But what is like Delta says the blu ray is not region locked?

Damn you for being too quick to reply Trev!

Hope my info helped. I've always had a multi region DVD player and had a mate who was working for a band grab me a PS3 when he was on tour in the US, expressly to play US Blu-rays!

If you've got any more queries, feel free to hit me up - not to toot my own horn, but with a tonne of disc media, a background in film (and thus authoring DVDs), I should be able to answer almost anything!

[BigTransformerTrev]

Not if it's region locked.

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. Paramount have the rights to the film globally, and being a former backer of HD-DVD prior to Blu-ray Disc, Paramount don't lock their titles with the possible exception being films licensed for certain territories.

Long story short, all TF movies (well, Bay TF movies) have been Paramount titles globally, all have been region free on Blu-ray Disc.

Technically it's still hedging your bets, but the odds are VERY much in your favour, if you know what I mean.

If you want to look into region coding hell, try drooling at some of the Image Entertainment, Criterion Collection, or Shout Factory Blu-ray releases. There's a reason I ensured my player is region free!

General rule: Anything Warner/Universal/Paramount will be region free, except where they don't own the rights globally (and even then, it's just occasionally). Sony is generally pretty lax these days, as is Disney, and the back of their boxes are usually pretty accurate in their region coding IIRC. Fox are a pain, and anything smaller (distributor wise) is very hit and miss!!!

Oh, and Roadshow over here lock all their stuff to Zone B. And are dicks. But that's kind of beside the point.


Damn you for being too quick to reply Trev!

Hope my info helped. I've always had a multi region DVD player and had a mate who was working for a band grab me a PS3 when he was on tour in the US, expressly to play US Blu-rays!

If you've got any more queries, feel free to hit me up - not to toot my own horn, but with a tonne of disc media, a background in film (and thus authoring DVDs), I should be able to answer almost anything!

Cheers mate :)

[CaminusPrime]

Quick question, what's the size difference between leader jetfire and the masterpiece seeker mould in both modes?

[DELTAprime]

Games are different from DVDs and DVDs are different from Blu-rays.

PS3 Games = region free at HD
X360 Games = up to the publisher
PS4 and X1 games = region free

DVDs on all game consoles = region locked
Blu-rays on all game consoles = up to the publisher

Sony and Microsoft both want to play nice with Hollywood so they abide by Hollywood's old fashioned region locking. I have some Region A locked Blu-ray's from Shoutfactory (thanks Madman for giving up on Blu-ray releases of Transformers). They do not work in any of my Australian game consoles that are all set to B at the factory. And no you can't change the region code of a console.

[Sinnertwin]

Quick question, what's the size difference between leader jetfire and the masterpiece seeker mould in both modes?

I haven't seen Jetfire in person yet, but the masterpiece seeker mold is about 21cm from head to toe, 23cm if you include the intakes on their shoulders and the alt mode is 32cm in length

[CBratron]

I'm catching up on the IDW comics and currently working through RID and MTMTE. There seem to he some gaps in the story, Ironhide + the Dinobots and Galvatron's anti-chaos crusade are the ones that first come to mind.

What do I need to pick up to fill these story arcs?

[BigTransformerTrev]

I'm catching up on the IDW comics and currently working through RID and MTMTE. There seem to he some gaps in the story, Ironhide + the Dinobots and Galvatron's anti-chaos crusade are the ones that first come to mind.

What do I need to pick up to fill these story arcs?


The 3 four part mini-series you would need are:

*Ironhide
*Maximum Dinobots
*Heart of Darkness

[Paulbot]

The 3 four part mini-series you would need are:

*Ironhide
*Maximum Dinobots
*Heart of Darkness

Also known as:
*Pointless
*Great
*Awful

:p

[Trent]

Also known as:
*Pointless
*Great
*Awful

:p

I must be one of a very few people that thought that Maximum Dinobots was just ok. It was a decent story, but not the masterpiece that people make it out to be.

[CBratron]

The 3 four part mini-series you would need are:

*Ironhide
*Maximum Dinobots
*Heart of Darkness

Thanks.

*edit* one more thing while I'm on topic, I got to spoilers Starscream becoming ruler of Cybertron and kicking a bunch of Autobots and Decepticons out of their refugee city. Where does it go from that to The Windblade comic with Metroplex and the Caminus visitors?

[i_amtrunks]

Thanks.

*edit* one more thing while I'm on topic, I got to spoilers Starscream becoming ruler of Cybertron and kicking a bunch of Autobots and Decepticons out of their refugee city. Where does it go from that to The Windblade comic with Metroplex and the Caminus visitors?

Dark Cybertron.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Thanks.

*edit* one more thing while I'm on topic, I got to spoilers Starscream becoming ruler of Cybertron and kicking a bunch of Autobots and Decepticons out of their refugee city. Where does it go from that to The Windblade comic with Metroplex and the Caminus visitors?

It happens during the MTMTE & RID converging storylines of Dark Cybertron. Happened in comic book terms a fair few issues back now so I wouldnt worry too much about it being a spoiler ;)

[GoktimusPrime]

I still can't get over Grimlock's red hands in the IDW comics. So... weird.

[liegeprime]

Just wanted to verify... are these new MP grimlocks sold at TRU with a coin? Coz I remember it being posted at facebook that TRU in pHils came with a freebie coin - King Grimlock. This one a real coin not like that crown coin that was sold a few months ago...

[ILikeSoundwave]

Just wanted to verify... are these new MP grimlocks sold at TRU with a coin? Coz I remember it being posted at facebook that TRU in pHils came with a freebie coin - King Grimlock. This one a real coin not like that crown coin that was sold a few months ago...

No coin.

[Paulbot]

Since Madman isn't releasing the rest of Transformers Prime on Bluray I'm looking at importing them. But the versions on Amazon (season two (http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Prime-Season-Two-Blu-ray/dp/B008WAM2VU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1410262692&sr=8-2&keywords=transformers+prime+bluray), three (http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Prime-Season-3-Blu-ray/dp/B00ESZZOH2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410262692&sr=8-1&keywords=transformers+prime+bluray)and Predacons Rising (http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Prime-Predacons-Rising-Blu-ray/dp/B00DOZNI6G/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1410262692&sr=8-4&keywords=transformers+prime+bluray)) are all listed as Region A/1. I also only have a Playstation3 for a BluRay player and know it can be a bit restrictive.

So can people confirm they've bought the US TF:Prime Blurays and can play them on a PS3?



I must be one of a very few people that thought that Maximum Dinobots was just ok. It was a decent story, but not the masterpiece that people make it out to be.

It's a masterpiece compared to Heart of Darkness! But otherwise I think it's a great conclusion to Furman's IDW-ation series.

[GoktimusPrime]

So can people confirm they've bought the US TF:Prime Blurays and can play them on a PS3?
I own the US BR and it does NOT play on my PS3.

[liegeprime]

No coin.

Cheers, thanks for that... must be a local promo they had then...

[Paulbot]

I own the US BR and it does NOT play on my PS3.

Darn it! :(

I keep seeing the season one Bluray at JB and for a moment thinking "maybe it's season 2?" but no...

[autobreadticon]

Heya does anyone what contents came with the G1 Minibots with reflective iron-on patch? There appears to be 3 items, a content sheet, iron-on patch and some sort of catalogue.

pictures would be really appreciated

[UltraMarginal]

Darn it! :(

I keep seeing the season one Bluray at JB and for a moment thinking "maybe it's season 2?" but no...

Madman confirmed quite a while ago that they will not be releasing any of Prime Seasons 2, 3 or movie on Blu Ray here.

The only option is to import from Amazon and buy a region free player, or crack your existing player to play region free, or Pirate.

I'm going to go out my way to buy product not from madman in the future as a result of their decision. It shits me to tears.

[Paulbot]

Madman confirmed quite a while ago that they will not be releasing any of Prime Seasons 2, 3 or movie on Blu Ray here.

The only option is to import from Amazon and buy a region free player, or crack your existing player to play region free, or Pirate.


Yeah I know Madman said no but I've been waiting just in case maybe they would end up releasing it. I don't care enough about Prime to buy a player or new computer drive to watch it.

I saw the US versions in my Amazon wish list last night and thought Id check as I would buy them today if the answer to my question was the opposite.

[ILikeSoundwave]

I know this has been asked multiple times before but I couldn't find where I saw it :o, If I purchase AOE on Blu-ray from Amazon will it work here on either a PS3 or PS4?

[Sinnertwin]

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=19146&page=3

[ILikeSoundwave]

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=19146&page=3

Thank you.

[Paulbot]

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=19146&page=3


Thank you.

There was much more discussion than that, somewhere... Talk about how Paramount releases being mostly region free and links to lists of region free discs etc.

[millhouse]

A couple of pages back in this thread: http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=433616&postcount=7597

Not to toot my own horn, but BBT's quoting of my posts pretty much covers it.

[tinyJazz]

Not specifically tf related, but how separate is Mr Toys Toyworld in Queensland from Toyworld in other states?

Is it the same company, subsidiary or a complete break away?

[autobreadticon]

Heya any1 have the Botcon 2002 Souvenir Program Guide? just want to know if it features images and content of the exclusives Rook and Tap Out, cheers

[Trent]

How much does a US mail forwarder charge? I found something I want on Amazon but the shop doesn't post here.

[christalcase]

I swear I read this somewhere before but now I can't find it again.

It would be great if someone could confirm or deny: there were slight tolerance issues when you attempted to combine RiD Optimus Prime with Car Robots Ultra Magnus into Omega Prime?

[griffin]

Not specifically tf related, but how separate is Mr Toys Toyworld in Queensland from Toyworld in other states?

Is it the same company, subsidiary or a complete break away?

Toyworld is a franchise, so people and businesses can buy a license to set up a store. The company "Mr Toys" appears to have bought licenses to have about 22 stores, which they keep to within SE QLD. Mr Toys (branded) Toyworlds are bound by any Toyworld catalogues and sale prices, but the rest of the Toyworld chain is not bound by the Mr Toys catalogue or sales. (they might, just to make the sale)


Heya any1 have the Botcon 2002 Souvenir Program Guide? just want to know if it features images and content of the exclusives Rook and Tap Out, cheers

Tap Out had a full page bio in the US BotCon 2002 guide. Rook was the UK exclusive, but their "Guide" was just a folded A3 piece of card and didn't have anything on it about Rook.
Tap Out, Glyph were packed with biocards though, done in the style of the 80s trading cards, but Rook didn't.
It was printed somewhere, but I can't remember where though.


How much does a US mail forwarder charge? I found something I want on Amazon but the shop doesn't post here.

They vary significantly. There are some listed in the dealer section somewhere, so do a search for Forwarder or other related words to see what has been suggested before.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I swear I read this somewhere before but now I can't find it again.

It would be great if someone could confirm or deny: there were slight tolerance issues when you attempted to combine RiD Optimus Prime with Car Robots Ultra Magnus into Omega Prime?

I haven't combined them in nearly a decade but if I remember correctly I had no issues

[GoktimusPrime]

It's top heavy and the Magnus component may be prone to sliding off and possibly rubbing up/scratching the chrome on Fire Convoy/Optimus Prime's chest. I found that the chrome on Optimus Prime's chest to be more durable than on Fire Convoy (the only part of that toy which is better made than the Takara version; the rest of it's inferior, especially the poor quality rubber on the tyres). Take it easy and be sure that the tabs are connected in properly. It's pretty much the same flaw that Super Fire Convoy has anyway. Still... this was one damn cool toy at the time. :)

[christalcase]

I haven't combined them in nearly a decade but if I remember correctly I had no issues


It's top heavy and the Magnus component may be prone to sliding off and possibly rubbing up/scratching the chrome on Fire Convoy/Optimus Prime's chest. I found that the chrome on Optimus Prime's chest to be more durable than on Fire Convoy (the only part of that toy which is better made than the Takara version; the rest of it's inferior, especially the poor quality rubber on the tyres). Take it easy and be sure that the tabs are connected in properly. It's pretty much the same flaw that Super Fire Convoy has anyway. Still... this was one damn cool toy at the time. :)

Thanks :). Wanted to make sure no issues before I jump the gun and purchase them.

[SuspectimusPrime]

Thanks :). Wanted to make sure no issues before I jump the gun and purchase them.

I bought a second-hand one (Hasbro version I believe) a decade ago and never experienced any tolerance issues. Chrome was already scratched off but it all held together amazingly well.

[Verno]

For those of us who can remember back that far, there used to be an official Beast Wars website: Beastwars.com

On said site, there was a gif of the Beast Wars eye, that would sort of blink. Now, I've scoured the net for a copy of it, but thus far I've been unsuccessful. I was wondering if anyone had a copy of it?

[griffin]

Try Ben at BWTF.com... he was all things Beast Wars at the time, and is close to Hasbro, so might have archived that sort of thing on a computer somewhere.

[Sinnertwin]

Does anyone know where i can get acrylic cases for the Universe Cyclonus figure MoSC from?
I've looked on eBay & Google, but there was nothing that i found helpful. Has anyone had custom cases made & what sort of $$$ are we looking at?

[kurdt_the_goat]

For those of us who can remember back that far, there used to be an official Beast Wars website: Beastwars.com

On said site, there was a gif of the Beast Wars eye, that would sort of blink. Now, I've scoured the net for a copy of it, but thus far I've been unsuccessful. I was wondering if anyone had a copy of it?

This it? Found from archive.org

http://web.archive.org/web/19990209032211im_/http://www.beastwars.com/images/e3_eye.gif

[Verno]

This it? Found from archive.org

http://web.archive.org/web/19990209032211im_/http://www.beastwars.com/images/e3_eye.gif

That is indeed it :D That's the only size of it I could find as well. It used to be about 8 times bigger. I'm not giving up hope it still exists.

[Sky Shadow]

http://zippy.gfycat.com/UncommonLegalBengaltiger.gif

[Verno]

http://zippy.gfycat.com/UncommonLegalBengaltiger.gif

Haha, that's equal parts terrifying and fantastic! :p

[Bidoofdude]

I'm considering getting the Protectobot Evac Squad (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/new-protectobots-emergency-response-pictures-180802/) set and plan to use the 'Hot Spot' as my Classics Hosehead. I'm stumped on Blades though. What's a good repurposed Classics character (or any other series would be good) to use Blades for?

[Sky Shadow]

I'm considering getting the Protectobot Evac Squad (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/new-protectobots-emergency-response-pictures-180802/) set and plan to use the 'Hot Spot' as my Classics Hosehead. I'm stumped on Blades though. What's a good repurposed Classics character (or any other series would be good) to use Blades for?

I suspect the colour scheme is 'supposed' to make him 'Classics' Fly-Up (Guard City Blades). He would also make a good 'Classics' Cop-Tur to go with Fracture, or at a push he could be 'Classics' Highbrow or Windmill.

[Mythirax]

Cheapest place at the moment to get Ultra Magnus? With postage and possibly amazon/perfect edition? Unsure if they're the same thing.

[Bidoofdude]

I suspect the colour scheme is 'supposed' to make him 'Classics' Fly-Up (Guard City Blades). He would also make a good 'Classics' Cop-Tur to go with Fracture, or at a push he could be 'Classics' Highbrow or Windmill.

Highbrow is closest, but he's still a bit far for me. I could keep him as a generic helicopter. Fly-Up would be a bit tricky, as I'm using Hot Spot as Hosehead.

[Sinnertwin]

Cheapest place at the moment to get Ultra Magnus? With postage and possibly amazon/perfect edition? Unsure if they're the same thing.


They're one and the same. This "perfect edition" is a throwback to the MP04 Optimus Prime who was also labelled as such.
Basically it's Ultra Magnus who many assumed would be a stand alone white robot + trailer armour = perfect edition. just like Prime ;)

Robokingdom's got him for $151UsD + shipping, but you have to pay up front for both
thttp://www.robotkingdom.com/tftrmp22.html

BBTS has him for $190 and no upfront payment
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11771&mode=retail

ehobbybaseshop has him for $152
http://ehobbybaseshop.com/?sp=&p=6&cat2=2&cat1=3&cat0=3&id=1003&cat1=3&cat0=3&new=&more=&lang=en

[Mythirax]

They're one and the same. This "perfect edition" is a throwback to the MP04 Optimus Prime who was also labelled as such.
Basically it's Ultra Magnus who many assumed would be a stand alone white robot + trailer armour = perfect edition. just like Prime ;)

Robokingdom's got him for $151UsD + shipping, but you have to pay up front for both
thttp://www.robotkingdom.com/tftrmp22.html

BBTS has him for $190 and no upfront payment
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11771&mode=retail

ehobbybaseshop has him for $152
http://ehobbybaseshop.com/?sp=&p=6&cat2=2&cat1=3&cat0=3&id=1003&cat1=3&cat0=3&new=&more=&lang=en

Cheers man, any idea which has the better postage? I was looking at chimungmung (http://chimungmung.com/product_info.php?products_id=1753) as well. But on these sites, does it mean the $150 + $30~ upfront as well etc?

[Sinnertwin]

Cheers man, any idea which has the better postage? I was looking at chimungmung (http://chimungmung.com/product_info.php?products_id=1753) as well. But on these sites, does it mean the $150 + $30~ upfront as well etc?

Nah, in chimungmung's case you only pay $30 deposit now, then the remainder of the balance for the item + shipping when the product is in.

As for postage, robotkingdom's cheapest option is $66.14
chimungmung wants $45-55 as an estimate
BBTS, if you have a PoL you may be better off there...

[Mythirax]

Nah, in chimungmung's case you only pay $30 deposit now, then the remainder of the balance for the item + shipping when the product is in.

As for postage, robotkingdom's cheapest option is $66.14
chimungmung wants $45-55 as an estimate
BBTS, if you have a PoL you may be better off there...

I've purchased like everything I wanted at the moment minus Ultra Magnus, so thus my dilemma. Now to rethink if he's really that important.

[Sinnertwin]

I've purchased like everything I wanted at the moment minus Ultra Magnus, so thus my dilemma. Now to rethink if he's really that important.

Ah, I see. Well, you are looking at close to $200; not chump change by any means.

[autobreadticon]

Have you considered Universe 2.0 voyager Blades?

[Mythirax]

Ah, I see. Well, you are looking at close to $200; not chump change by any means.

By the time you convert to aud it seems horrible. But damn, he just looks so good :(

[Sinnertwin]

By the time you convert to aud it seems horrible. But damn, he just looks so good :(

It sure does, doesn't it...
;)

[Mythirax]

It sure does, doesn't it...
;)

Maybe I should just stop eating for a week. My grass needs cut, I could put all those clippings to good use.

Trying to find a cheap place to get the SDCC Dinobots doesn't help either. Arghhh! They're even worse than Magnus.

[Sinnertwin]

Maybe I should just stop eating for a week. My grass needs cut, I could put all those clippings to good use.

Trying to find a cheap place to get the SDCC Dinobots doesn't help either. Arghhh! They're even worse than Magnus.

That's the spirit!

SDCC dinobots? Hoo-weee, now that's gonna be painful.
I'm just going to go for the poverty pack platinum edition 5 pack (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=platinum+edition+dinobot+5+pack&hl=en-AU&gbv=2&tbm=isch&oq=&gs_l=)

[Mythirax]

That's the spirit!

SDCC dinobots? Hoo-weee, now that's gonna be painful.
I'm just going to go for the poverty pack platinum edition 5 pack (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=platinum+edition+dinobot+5+pack&hl=en-AU&gbv=2&tbm=isch&oq=&gs_l=)

Ah, the ones that look like someone went crazy with one of those metallic silver pens :p I just can't get on that band wagon. But those SDCC ones, hot damn. Daddy likes. I'm thinking them or star saber for a birthday present to myself.

[Sinnertwin]

Ah, the ones that look like someone went crazy with one of those metallic silver pens :p I just can't get on that band wagon. But those SDCC ones, hot damn. Daddy likes. I'm thinking them or star saber for a birthday present to myself.

Saber's not due until March
Get BOTH! :D
& yes, i know that i'm not helping one iota :p


Edit:
Check out Griffin's post
http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=436859&postcount=3

$160 at Hasbroshop -but you need a 'Murcan contact that can post it to you or a mail forwarder

[Mythirax]

Saber's not due until March
Get BOTH! :D
& yes, i know that i'm not helping one iota :p


Edit:
Check out Griffin's post
http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=436859&postcount=3

$160 at Hasbroshop -but you need a 'Murcan contact that can post it to you or a mail forwarder


All I need now is a spare thousand to throw down.

[Sinnertwin]

All I need now is a spare thousand to throw down.

Don't we all? ;):p


My question: What's the go with Amazon's preorders?
Do they ship immediately once they become available or do they give you the option of adding extras to your cart once the preordered item is available?

[Sky Shadow]

I'm going to assume these were customs, rather than prototypes, but... were Action Master Jazz and Blaster ever going to be recoloured into Stepper and Twincast? Because...

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2q0lki0.jpg http://oi60.tinypic.com/vryqep.jpg

[Sky Shadow]

I'm going to assume these were customs, rather than prototypes, but... were Action Master Jazz and Blaster ever going to be recoloured into Stepper and Twincast? Because...

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2q0lki0.jpg http://oi60.tinypic.com/vryqep.jpg

(My guess is that they're Botcon customs that somehow made their way into a Japanese book. But just thought I'd check.)

[Paulbot]

Looks like an Autobot Spike in the background too (with some other customs)

[griffin]

Which book?

[Sky Shadow]

Which book?

It's a Japanese book/magazine called Sensational Model & Hobby. From memory, I feel like these were Botcon creative works (and Autobot X would definitely suggest that too) but I couldn't remember if (like Magnus, Superion, Predaking, Bruticus, Metroplex, Perceptor, Galvatron, Slicer, Omega Spreem, Double Punch) we'd ever seen evidence that they were planned as Action Masters/recolours.

And, after some detective work, it does indeed look like they were entries in the Botcon 96 Art comp (maybe by 'Weeter') - they're not in these (http://www.reocities.com/starshdw/images/bc9621.jpg) pics (http://www.reocities.com/starshdw/images/bc9620.jpg), but the toys behind and 'under' them are.

[Paulbot]

Not quite detective work, going through Geocities archives is more like archaeology.

I've never seen anything to suggest this was a possibility.

(As an aside: Did Japan even get the Action Masters at all (other than that New Year special Optimus)? )

[Sky Shadow]

Not quite detective work, going through Geocities archives is more like archaeology.

I've never seen anything to suggest this was a possibility. Did Japan even get the Action Masters at all (other than that New Year special Optimus)?

(Ha. :)) Well, there were the designs in the back of the second volume of Generations (Magnus, Superion, Predaking, Bruticus, Metroplex, Perceptor and Galvatron) and Double Punch (in colours and head design) seemed to be based on BlackZarak, so I thought there could have been Japanese Action Masters planned that never eventuated.

[Paulbot]

Off the top of my head, Starscream to Thundercracker was the only Action Master repaint that used an existing character? And even then there were very few recolours and all of them also the Euro vehicle ones (Rumbler, Slicer, Circuit).

If Action Masters came out today instead of 1990 we'd expect to see Ultra Magnus, Stepper, Twincast, Skywarp, Thrust, Dirge, Ramjet, Grapple, Bluestreak, Smokescreen, and Soundblaster (at least). And new guys like Krok, Jackpot, Axer and the rest wouldn't stand much of a chance of existing.

[GoktimusPrime]

(As an aside: Did Japan even get the Action Masters at all (other than that New Year special Optimus)? )
Nope.

Off the top of my head, Starscream to Thundercracker was the only Action Master repaint that used an existing character? And even then there were very few recolours and all of them also the Euro vehicle ones (Rumbler, Slicer, Circuit).
True! :D

[GoktimusPrime]

Does anyone remember that original RRPs for Cybertron Primus and Energon Omega Supreme? I vaguely recall $155 for Primus, and somewhere between $100-150 for Omega Supreme, but I'm really not sure. :confused:

[Verno]

Is anyone familiar with a TF figure that is reminiscent of this design when in robot-mode?

http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/170/1/3/csirac___csirac_concept_by_channandeller-d540uhb.jpg

[Tober]

Is anyone familiar with a TF figure that is reminiscent of this design when in robot-mode?[/IMG]

Depending on how relevant scale is, Voyager Onslaught (http://www.parrygamepreserve.com/images/transformers/universe/ultra/onslaught5_M.jpg) was the first that came to mind. Pretty sure you could lose the SWAT shield easily enough. Looks like he might have a bad case of butt-flap though...

[Verno]

Depending on how relevant scale is, Voyager Onslaught (http://www.parrygamepreserve.com/images/transformers/universe/ultra/onslaught5_M.jpg) was the first that came to mind. Pretty sure you could lose the SWAT shield easily enough. Looks like he might have a bad case of butt-flap though...

I can see why he sprang to mind for you.

Scale has never worried me. But then, I didn't collect Beast Machines toys. Ha! Yeah, twist that knife...

[kurdt_the_goat]

Animated Leader Megatron's shoulders are similar to that sketch

[Sinnertwin]

His head also looks like it's made up of Kup's noggin' with Galvatron's face, right down to the goatee.

[Sky Shadow]

It's basically Action Master Skyfall's head and body with Rollout's legs and Powerflash's arms.

[griffin]

Does anyone remember that original RRPs for Cybertron Primus and Energon Omega Supreme? I vaguely recall $155 for Primus, and somewhere between $100-150 for Omega Supreme, but I'm really not sure. :confused:

Retail prices here for the larger size classes have always varied massively, particularly if Hasbro start discounting them to get rid of the rest... and we rarely have RRPs publicly released by Hasbro.

The range of prices for Energon Supreme size was $95-140 (http://www.otca.com.au/archive1.html#tfe), while the Cybertron Supreme size was $90-150 (http://www.otca.com.au/archive2.html#cyb).

[griffin]

It's basically Action Master Skyfall's head and body with Rollout's legs and Powerflash's arms.

My first thought was Skyfall and Rollout too.

[Sky Shadow]

My first thought was Skyfall and Rollout too.

With Activator Animated Megatron arms on Skyfall with Rollout legs, it's pretty much it. The legs are also Metroplexesque.

[GoktimusPrime]

Thanks, griffin. :)

[UltraMarginal]

So, what is it about this release (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS22410&mode=retail)of the PM Prime with Powermaster that makes it special?

and is it the same as the one they're selling at Robot Kingdom (http://www.robotkingdom.com/transformers/reissue/tfhrpwmstop.html)

How can you tell?

trying to decide if I should get the one at RK, I have my original one from the 80's but it doesn't have Apex armour and I'd like a new version to fiddle with to avoid worrying about potential breakage.

[Paulbot]

From TFwiki


Marketed as a reissue of Powermaster Optimus Prime, this Toys R Us-exclusive Commemorative Series figure is in truth based on the Ginrai tooling on the toy that had previously been exclusive to Japan. It features a die-cast metal cab with translucent blue windows, and shortened, chrome smokestacks, and comes packaged with the drone Apex Bomber (formerly Ginrai's partner Godbomber), who splits into several components and combines with Prime to form "Apex Armor". As with all other Commemorative Series figures, Prime's new spring-loaded missile launcher featured an elongated missile.

So you basically get all the better aspects of Ginrai, but Hasbro safety missiles. Looks like the regular trailer also has the slide out fists that PM Prime didn't have.

RK is selling the same toy, their photo just has the front book opening open to show the toy underneath.

[liegeprime]

So, what is it about this release (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS22410&mode=retail)of the PM Prime with Powermaster that makes it special?

and is it the same as the one they're selling at Robot Kingdom (http://www.robotkingdom.com/transformers/reissue/tfhrpwmstop.html)

How can you tell?

trying to decide if I should get the one at RK, I have my original one from the 80's but it doesn't have Apex armour and I'd like a new version to fiddle with to avoid worrying about potential breakage.

It's the same thing UM, get it from RK, way cheaper.

[DELTAprime]

Anyone know the price of the RB Optimus Prime that Big W has thats about the same size as Metroplex?

[Trent]

Anyone know the price of the RB Optimus Prime that Big W has thats about the same size as Metroplex?

RB as in Rescue Bots? I picked it up from Kmart yesterday for $39

[griffin]

Nah, I think he means the oversized "titan". It was $48 I think, but check the checklist as it includes prices (and this was a BigW exclusive).

[DELTAprime]

Nah, I think he means the oversized "titan". It was $48 I think, but check the checklist as it includes prices (and this was a BigW exclusive).

Oh, I was hoping he was reduced since he's shelfwarming. Theres no price on him at the Big W I work at and I can't be bothered getting him down from the top shelf where nobody can reach him just to check the price. I'm interested, but not at full price.

[Verno]

Does anyone have copies of the couple of pages of Line Art Don Figueroa did for the proposed Beast Wars Dreamwave mini-series?

From memory, they show Primal and the crew inside the Ark shuttle on their way back to Cybertron. I can't find them anywhere online.

[Starscream77]

really random thought / question

i was thinking what is the most common G1 figure i have seen over the last few years still boxed and my overwhelming answer would be Jetfire/Skyfire.

Does everyone also share this view and does anyone have any thoughts or reasons why it seems to be the most common still boxed g1 figure?

[5FDP]

@ Starscream77 - That wouldn't happen to be the one that keeps making an appearance at the Parra Fair would it? I think I've seen it there for the last 5 years.

The ones that I keep coming across would be the G1 Insecticons (no... not the KO's).

[Sky Shadow]

really random thought / question

i was thinking what is the most common G1 figure i have seen over the last few years still boxed and my overwhelming answer would be Jetfire/Skyfire.

Does everyone also share this view and does anyone have any thoughts or reasons why it seems to be the most common still boxed g1 figure?

Topspin.

[UltraMarginal]

From TFwiki



So you basically get all the better aspects of Ginrai, but Hasbro safety missiles. Looks like the regular trailer also has the slide out fists that PM Prime didn't have.

RK is selling the same toy, their photo just has the front book opening open to show the toy underneath.


It's the same thing UM, get it from RK, way cheaper.


Thank you Gents, I was thinking that was the case but wanted to make sure, these things with the encores, reissues, and such I don't keep super close tab on.

Now the question is, should I wait till they have a listing for a Takara version of generations skids before I put in an order?






really random thought / question

i was thinking what is the most common G1 figure i have seen over the last few years still boxed and my overwhelming answer would be Jetfire/Skyfire.

Does everyone also share this view and does anyone have any thoughts or reasons why it seems to be the most common still boxed g1 figure?

do you mean MISB or "re-boxed" a lot of G1 stuff is completed and then put back in a box that may not be it's original, just to have a "MIB" version to keep or sell.

I've seen some MIB MISB action masters lately on eBay, but that's mostly because I've been looking for good examples of original versions of club toys.

I've seen a lot of Overlord in Boxes on eBay but I'm pretty confidant a lot of them have been collected into complete figures with a box from multiple sources.

There are a couple examples of boxed figures at the fair, but some are fakes (dinobots) and others are collated.

perhaps you're noticing Jetfires because you're interested in getting one and so it stands out to you more. Just like I noticed how many imprezas there were on the road after we bought our car a few years ago. :D

[TAAUBlaster]

Does anyone have copies of the couple of pages of Line Art Don Figueroa did for the proposed Beast Wars Dreamwave mini-series?

From memory, they show Primal and the crew inside the Ark shuttle on their way back to Cybertron. I can't find them anywhere online.

Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but I have these two saved on my computer from eons ago. Couldn't find anything on my HD that has Primal though :/


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/taaublaster/BWpanel_zps79925fc3.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/taaublaster/BWart_zpsc1fe74b0.jpg

[griffin]

This was all I could find (http://tformers.com/transformers-unreleased-beast-wars/4539/news.html) when doing a google search for "unreleased dreamwave art".
Not what was being asked for though.

[Verno]

Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but I have these two saved on my computer from eons ago. Couldn't find anything on my HD that has Primal though :/


This was all I could find (http://tformers.com/transformers-unreleased-beast-wars/4539/news.html) when doing a google search for "unreleased dreamwave art".
Not what was being asked for though.

Cheers for the efforts, lads. That's about the extent of all I'd been able to find, too.

I know there's more. Rattrap driving down a corridor, then pulling plugs out of a wall. How can something that was once on the internet just vanish? It's the internet!

[DELTAprime]

Anyone here seen both the old Singapore release of Cybertron and the new Shout Factory/Madman release? I'm just wondering if the transfer is at all improved and therefore worth buying?

[griffin]

Cheers for the efforts, lads. That's about the extent of all I'd been able to find, too.

I know there's more. Rattrap driving down a corridor, then pulling plugs out of a wall. How can something that was once on the internet just vanish? It's the internet!

I think they were released after I stopped archiving images (2004-2005), because sites like TFW2005 were starting to mirror images... but I'll see if my old archives have them (it's like finding a needle in a haystack though, through the thousands of image files I have on several USB sticks, so might take me a day or two).

[griffin]

I wonder if they released preview pages before they folded.

All I could find on my USB sticks was six sketch pages released in May 2005, which included those three BW ones at that Tformers link above, plus two that were from the Gen1 ongoing (one has Arcee on it, the other has an assembly line of Spike's exosuit), and one that looked like a wrap-around cover/poster of Energon characters in a big fight scene (a bit like the mega litho).

[Verno]

Cheers anyway, Griff.

I don't know whether the images were ever released officially, or just by Don in an unofficial capacity. Either way, they seem to be gone forever :(

[UltraMarginal]

. How can something that was once on the internet just vanish? It's the internet!

Ha, did you watch this weeks Scorpion?

There is an encore episode on tonight. It kind of answers your question

it's rubbish but fun.

[griffin]

If you want something to survive on the internet, combine it with something pornographic or really embarrassing... :p

[TAAUBlaster]

Does anyone have copies of the couple of pages of Line Art Don Figueroa did for the proposed Beast Wars Dreamwave mini-series?

From memory, they show Primal and the crew inside the Ark shuttle on their way back to Cybertron. I can't find them anywhere online.Although I'm sure you have probably found these already, I found a few small thumbnails that link towards Don's (now deactivated) DeviantArt page. Are these closer to what you are looking for - content wise? Sorry for the pixelation, I enlarged them a little to help with identification.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/taaublaster/BWPage1_zps7212a95f.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/taaublaster/media/BWPage1_zps7212a95f.jpg.html)http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/taaublaster/BWPage2_zpsa46c1064.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/taaublaster/media/BWPage2_zpsa46c1064.jpg.html)http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b251/taaublaster/BWPage3_zpsd67ce60a.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/taaublaster/media/BWPage3_zpsd67ce60a.jpg.html)

Seems as though Don had a heap of stuff in his DA account, but it's all lost now that his account is deactivated :/
Its a little strange, because some of the unused G1 DeviantArt links are still fine, but all of the BW stuff have broken links.

[griffin]

Maybe ask on the two global fansites to see if anyone there saved the full-size copies of those images before the site was taken down.

[Verno]

Although I'm sure you have probably found these already, I found a few small thumbnails that link towards Don's (now deactivated) DeviantArt page. Are these closer to what you are looking for - content wise? Sorry for the pixelation, I enlarged them a little to help with identification.

*Snippety snip*

Seems as though Don had a heap of stuff in his DA account, but it's all lost now that his account is deactivated :/
Its a little strange, because some of the unused G1 DeviantArt links are still fine, but all of the BW stuff have broken links.

They are precisely the ones I've been looking for! :D Cheers, Blaster!

The hunt will continue for larger versions, but this will fill the gap for the time being.

[TAAUBlaster]

They are precisely the ones I've been looking for! :D Cheers, Blaster!

The hunt will continue for larger versions, but this will fill the gap for the time being.

No worries, glad I could help :)

These were the filenames that came up for the pics - if they are of any help to you:

DWBW page no6 (TM2 Cheetor/Rattrap)
DWBW page no7 (Optimal optimus panel)
More DWBW Pages (2nd Rattrap panel)

[Skullcruncher]

Red Sunstreaker - What is the difference between the Diaclone one and the Diakron one? :confused:

[rodent]

Not sure where to ask this, but is there somewhere I can get long smokestacks for G1 Optimus/Magnus?

[Trent]

Why are people asking $200 and above for Medix the Doc Bot?

[Trent]

And as a separate question:

Anyone seen any YOTH MP Primes still at retail?

[griffin]

Why are people asking $200 and above for Medix the Doc Bot?

No idea, but the less common Rescue Bots toys seem to be snapped up and scalped.
Blades in the first year was a target, because it had a limited release being the last wave... but then it was re-released with Medix and Hoist, and it's secondary price dropped back down.
Then, as soon as the Medix and Hoist wave had been out for a few weeks, it started to be hard to find and now commands insane prices.
The 2-pack Chase figurine pack was another scalper target, because it was short-packed to make room for more Optimus figurines. Then Boulder and Blades 2-packs were scalped for having limited release for being the final wave of that series.... but fortunately they were re-released with the first wave of the next series.

I've read online about scalpers specifically targeting young kids toylines, because their parents are less likely to know much about toys and what other options that the more-aware collectors might know about... so are more likely to pay higher prices at the only places they know (like ebay) in desperation, just to keep their kids happy or as required for a birthday or Christmas. (and if they only look for the toy later when it is needed, the scalpers beat them to short-packed items by snapping them up as soon as they are released or listed online) :(

[Sinnertwin]

And as a separate question:

Anyone seen any YOTH MP Primes still at retail?

No, but i'll keep an eye out for you

[Trent]

No idea, but the less common Rescue Bots toys seem to be snapped up and scalped.
Blades in the first year was a target, because it had a limited release being the last wave... but then it was re-released with Medix and Hoist, and it's secondary price dropped back down.
Then, as soon as the Medix and Hoist wave had been out for a few weeks, it started to be hard to find and now commands insane prices.
The 2-pack Chase figurine pack was another scalper target, because it was short-packed to make room for more Optimus figurines. Then Boulder and Blades 2-packs were scalped for having limited release for being the final wave of that series.... but fortunately they were re-released with the first wave of the next series.

I've read online about scalpers specifically targeting young kids toylines, because their parents are less likely to know much about toys and what other options that the more-aware collectors might know about... so are more likely to pay higher prices at the only places they know (like ebay) in desperation, just to keep their kids happy or as required for a birthday or Christmas. (and if they only look for the toy later when it is needed, the scalpers beat them to short-packed items by snapping them up as soon as they are released or listed online) :(

Hmm. That's probably it. I went through and bought all the Rescue Bots stuff the other night but nowhere did Medix and Hoist show up. It was only earlier tonight that I found out they exist and they are both stupidly priced.

If anyone sees them or has them, let me know. I'm keen to buy (just not scalper keen ;))


No, but i'll keep an eye out for you

Cheers dude :) I'm always late to the party with these sorts of things. If you see one and don't mind ST, pick it up. You know I'm good for the cash :)

[Sinnertwin]

Will do :)

[Tober]

Is there a TF reference book that shows the cartoon transformations for the G1 characters? I think there is but I'm not sure which one... :confused:

[Paulbot]

Is there a TF reference book that shows the cartoon transformations for the G1 characters? I think there is but I'm not sure which one... :confused:

"The Ark" book(s) have all the animation models and for some characters they have transformation sequence guides, but it's really only a few.

The Japanese book "First Series Complete" shows how the toys for each cartoon character transforms, but that's not quite the same.

[Tober]

"The Ark" book(s) have all the animation models and for some characters they have transformation sequence guides, but it's really only a few.

The Japanese book "First Series Complete" shows how the toys for each cartoon character transforms, but that's not quite the same.

Cool, thanks Paul. :)

[Verno]

Can someone explain what a 'Universal Singularity' is? I have many questions...

[Sky Shadow]

Can someone explain what a 'Universal Singularity' is? I have many questions...

Do you mean Multiversal Singularity? If so, it's characters and things that are the same individual in every Transformers universe he/she/it inhabits. I.e. There is only one Primus, Unicron, Prima, Vector Prime, Logos Prime, Nexus Maximus (LOL), The Fallen, Alpha Trion, Vector Sigma, etc. and every time we see them in any Transformers universe, they're actually the same individual. Even though that probably doesn't make any sense.

[Paulbot]

Can someone explain what a 'Universal Singularity' is? I have many questions...

If you mean multiversal singularities that's some rubbish that someone at Hasbro came up with that some people have taken as binding gospel canon but which is so contradictory and creativity limiting that it's not worth bothering about.

(but basically the idea that for some beings in TF fiction there is only one of it and it exists in all alternate realties/timelines/univesese. So everytime you see the character it's the same one - so the Fallen who was in the movie is the same Fallen that was in the Dreamwave series, and every single time you've seen Unicron it's the exact same guy just popping around.)

A Universal Singularity would mean something that there's only one of the in the universe, and there should be billions and billions of those.

[Verno]

Ah, yes, Multiversal Singularity.

So. Do these Singularities (Vector Prime, Alpha Trion, etc) exist in differing universes at the same time? Or are they somehow travelling from universe to universe and seemingly repeating similar events (mistakes) in all of them?

[Golden Phoenix]

Ah, yes, Multiversal Singularity.

So. Do these Singularities (Vector Prime, Alpha Trion, etc) exist in differing universes at the same time? Or are they somehow travelling from universe to universe and seemingly repeating similar events (mistakes) in all of them?

Maybe.

I was under the impression that some of the Singularities, like Primus, exist in different universes at the same time. While others, like Unicron, can travel from one universe to another.

I think Vector Prime and Alpha Trion are like Unicron in that sense. There are also suggestions that any member of the Original 13 are also Singularities.

However, you should note that the Alinged continuity is excluded from this because Hasbro said so. And then IDW has it's own version of the origin story that has Primus in it too, but I don't think there has been any yes or no to if it fits in.

[griffin]

I was just having a quick read on TFwiki (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Multiversal_singularity) to see where or when the concept originated, it was Simon Furman in 2003 (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Multiversal_singularity#Development) who first suggested the Multiverse (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Multiverse) idea and dimension-hopping as a way to explain multiple versions of the same character over the years (toys and stories) when he was doing the 3H Universe comic (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Abduction). From there it seemed to be an easy way for others to get around questioning the use of certain characters in a different storyline (particularly since Transformers has had many, many, many storylines/toylines over the 30 years... and any relation between those stories is often retconned rather than pre-planned).

So Furman set the precedent of Unicron being a singular entity, and a couple other characters in FunPub comics in the next few years, but when The Fallen showed up in the TF2 movie, questions were raised about if it is the same character as the comic Fallen... since they both had similarly unique betrayal back-stories.
This was also around the time of Hasbro creating their "First 13" lore... which included The Fallen, and these 13 were then claimed to be Singularities (in that only one exists, and if you see a storyline with that character in it, it is the same as in other stories).
To complicate things though, one of the people who had been working on the early FunPub comics (Forest Lee), who developed the Multiverse concept even further to tie together more Transformers stories to each other, went to work at Hasbro as a copywriter (character bios and promotional materials)... so he may have influenced the idea of Singularity characters and Multiverse into canon across the brand (not just within FunPub's universe).

A quick comment by him on a Hasbro panel at BotCon was later expanded to a rather complicated, yet oddly scientific, explanation (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Multiversal_singularity#Creator_commentary) as to why "Singularity" characters can exist and "die" in multiple forms in multiple universes, but still be the same single character.
But even that has had some contradictions in the past (Fun Pub having a Shattered Glass Alpha Trion, before Hasbro's retcon of the First 13 as being Singularities).


I like the idea of finding a way to tie all the Transformers story universes together in some way so that a toy collector can play with different toys more "plausibly", but I think this "Multiversal Singularity" idea is a complicated method that was too much too late. It should have been kept simple, as just Unicron (and maybe Primus) early on as the universal "god", and all future uses referred to the story of the first version.
Hasbro is supposed to have some sort of "executive producer" control over their brand, particularly when it comes to approving stories by their license holders.

I think many of us who have been fans longer than 3 or 4 series, have created our own reasons for them to be related, particularly if we have toys from each series and play with them. Mine was a faulty Spacebridge that would cross dimensions, allowing characters from each to interact with other dimensions (like Gen1 dimension, Beast Wars dimension, JP Gen1 dimension, Gen2 dimension, Armada dimension, etc).

[Paulbot]

It's so unneccesary and instead of adding anything of value it overcomplicates things. It's only (if at all) relevant or even discussed with FunPub stories (which are glorified fan fic).

That there's alternate TF realities is something that's been in place from the moment the first cartoon episode aired and had a different and irreconcilable story to the comic book.

There's no reason the original Universe story couldn't have just involved the Unicron of Dimension C21-whatever plucking 'bots from other universes. Saying that every Unicron is the same Unicron, and in each dimension he keeps getting stuck in metal prisons and sometimes being created by Tornedron and always getting blown up, and people thinking this is a good idea? Nonsense!

[Sinnertwin]

Don't we all? ;):p


My question: What's the go with Amazon's preorders?
Do they ship immediately once they become available or do they give you the option of adding extras to your cart once the preordered item is available?

It looks like they ship immediately once it's in stock

[Sinnertwin]

It looks like they ship immediately once it's in stock

Thanks, me :p

[GoktimusPrime]

My MP Wheeljack, the Asian exclusive one, was the first time I ever got an Asian exclusive MP and it didn't come with the little slip of paper with the code to access TakaraTOMY's online survey (which, among other things, allows you to vote/nominate Transformers character that you'd like to see as future MPs). lancalot said that his Asian MP20s didn't come with the slips either.

So is this a common thing with all Asian exclusive MPs, or is did lancalot and I just luck out? And if the former is true, would people be interested if we just shared the access codes on the board? It's pretty much the one code for each toy.

[Verno]

a rather complicated, yet oddly scientific, explanation (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Multiversal_singularity#Creator_commentary)

Spoilers for those that haven't read Hasbro's Covenant of Primus or IDW's RID #34:

Reading on other boards, people are fine with the inclusion of The 13 origin story, but put the disclaimer that they don't want Optimus Prime to be the 13th Prime. But it's all part and parcel of it, isn't it? Optimus Prime was the 13th Prime who had his memory wiped in the TF: Prime universe, so seemingly he's now wandered off into a different universe, had his memories wiped all over again and is now Optimus Prime in the IDW universe, wiped, and then in the G1 cartoon universe, wiped, and then in the G2 Comics universe...

Is that really a plausible answer? He's been compared to a robot Jesus for a long time, but now he's knowingly seeking out universes in order to save them because that's what he's destined to do?!

If we're to roll with this 13 Origin Story, why can't 13 Primes simply be created in each of the universes of the Multiverse? Wouldn't that be easier? Why make them singularities?

[Paulbot]

Is that really a plausible answer?
No, multiversal singularities is a stupid answer to anything.

..why can't 13 Primes simply be created in each of the universes of the Multiverse? Wouldn't that be easier? Why make them singularities?
Why indeed. Multiversal singularities is a stupid idea. It makes more sense that in many alternate realities Primus created a group of original TFs but in some he didn't and in some TFs came into being another way (see the g1 cartoon). Similar events happening in parallel universes makes more sense than a being switching between every universe.

[Verno]

I'm fine with Primus being a Singularity. I'm fine with Unicron, as Primus' counterpoint, to be one also. But for individual characters like The 13, its just seems to get really messy, really quickly.

How can the 13 have lead tribes on Cybertron in the IDW universe, when they warred and tried to kill each other in the TF: Prime Universe? Did Primus make them forget, move them all to a new universe and then start again?

It also seems to suggest that an entire universe has to run its course before another one can be started. For example, perhaps Optimus Prime is the only one of the 13 still alive in one particular universe. Primus can't set the 13 off and racing in another universe until Prime dies, right? How is that Multiversal if they're not running at the same time? Or am I getting Multiversal and Parallel confused?

Maybe I just don't think IDW needed the 13 origin story.

[GoktimusPrime]

Hey fellas... should we be spoiler tagging stuff from the latest issue of RiD? I personally only read it today, but there might be others who haven't yet. :o Just suggestin'. :)

[Sinnertwin]

i don't think about such things as singularities & i feel great!

[Jhiaxus]

The problem with the singularity idea was twofold. First -- as Griffin pointed out in his extensive description, it was put together very haphazardly.

But the other problem was simply that as Transformers fiction moves forwards, it changes focus. When the singularity idea was first postulated it was during AEC -- the idea of Unicron being a universal unit came from that period... and it kinda makes sense when Unicron is your big central mofo, y'know?

But that's before IDW (which doesn't have a Unicron or a Primus), and before the movies, and before Animated or Prime, or the computer games... so yeah, as they tried to roll the idea forwards the fiction kept moving further away from it.

That's not to say that Transformers can't have ongoing fictional restraints. But they tend to be very broad (like "AUTOBOTS VS. DECEPTICONS!" or "OPTIMUS VS. MEGATRON!" or "STARSCREAM IS A TRAITOR!"), as opposed to something as specific and restrictive as this.

There's no way the Fallen who's on fire is the same guy as the Fallen in the second movie. It just doesn't make sense.

--Andrew S.
(It's a stupid idea, and it can die in a fire.)

[griffin]

What we really need then is IDW to retcon it by having someone important like Alpha Trion mentioning in passing that it was just an unproven myth that there are multiversal singularities... and there, all fixed. Everyone who once was thought to be, is back to being different entities... and fans can have one less thing to get confused over. :D

[Verno]

Sadly I don't think Hasbro would ever afford IDW the power to retcon something a seemingly fundamental to Hasbro's forward plans. Their TV shows are always going to be their flagship, and so the upcoming RID show would be the only vehicle for such changes. But the more kid-friendly tone of the trailers seems to suggest that the show won't be going into anything as in-depth as TF: Prime.

It seems we'll be stuck with this Singularity crap for a while.

[Sky Shadow]

The interesting thing about Unicron being a multiversal singularity is that he really doesn't learn from mistakes.

[Verno]

The interesting thing about Unicron being a multiversal singularity is that he really doesn't learn from mistakes.

He seems to be a bit of a one-trick pony. But then if you'd eaten as many universes as him, he obviously makes it work a lot of the time -- just not in any TF universes we've ever seen.

[Trent]

I bought a TF on eBay last Friday and paid for it through paypal at the same time. Since then the status in eBay is "Payment Pending" and in Paypal it is saying "Uncleared".

What is going on and when will it clear so I can get my toy?

[Sinnertwin]

I bought a TF on eBay last Friday and paid for it through paypal at the same time. Since then the status in eBay is "Payment Pending" and in Paypal it is saying "Uncleared".

What is going on and when will it clear so I can get my toy?


If the order status is "Pending", your order has been received by the seller, but your payment has not yet been processed.
For most purchases, the seller will complete the payment within a few days of receiving the order. For purchases of goods, many sellers will complete the payment when they are ready to ship your purchase. For some purchases, such as services, rentals, or hotel stays, the seller will complete the payment after your purchase is fully delivered.

Happened to me with Chimungmung. The order & payment were left as pending until Tony had the stock to send, even though it was advertised as being in stock. That *may* be the case here too.
Hope it sorted out soon

[DELTAprime]

So it turns out I have exactly one G2 toy in my collection. I'm thinking of getting a G2 Optimus (TF not phone) to double that number. Whats peoples opinion on Hero Optimus vs Laser Optimus vs the Laser Optimus reissue? I'm only going to get one.

[griffin]

So it turns out I have exactly one G2 toy in my collection. I'm thinking of getting a G2 Optimus (TF not phone) to double that number. Whats peoples opinion on Hero Optimus vs Laser Optimus vs the Laser Optimus reissue? I'm only going to get one.

The Combat Hero version was in the Gen2 comic - if you usually prefer to only get cast characters.

The Laser Rod is the more fun toy though, and the robot is more articulated. I'm not sure if the reissue was different, or had anything missing, so if you go with this one, maybe just look for which one is cheaper now.
Just be sure that if you get a loose one, that it has all the accessories, as it has a lot of bits and pieces for the Trailer/base.

[Megatran]

How many re-paints of the AOE Evasion Mode Optimus Prime have been released (including ones that are about to be released)?

I remember seeing a post somewhere but can't locate it.

[millhouse]

How many re-paints of the AOE Evasion Mode Optimus Prime have been released (including ones that are about to be released)?

I remember seeing a post somewhere but can't locate it.

Hasbro
Hasbro Platinum Edition (w/Grimlock)
Hasbro Evolution Pack (w/chrome)
Hasbro Platinum Breakout Pack (rusty)
Hasbro Platinum Autobots United (G1 style?)
Takara
Takara (rusty - TRU.jp)
Takara Nemesis (convention)
Milk Magazine Lucky Draw

I think that's it off the top of my head.

[DELTAprime]

The Combat Hero version was in the Gen2 comic - if you usually prefer to only get cast characters.

The Laser Rod is the more fun toy though, and the robot is more articulated. I'm not sure if the reissue was different, or had anything missing, so if you go with this one, maybe just look for which one is cheaper now.
Just be sure that if you get a loose one, that it has all the accessories, as it has a lot of bits and pieces for the Trailer/base.

Yeah I was leaning towards getting a Laser Prime just because I love that mould so much with my RID Scourge and CR Black Convoy even tho Hero Prime can be had for just $40 loose complete and $80 sealed. The reason I broke out the reissue as a separate option is there are a number of differences. According to TF wiki he uses chrome instead of grey, has some extra tampos and uses the RID Scourge remoulding.

[Megatran]

Hasbro
Hasbro Platinum Edition (w/Grimlock)
Hasbro Evolution Pack (w/chrome)
Hasbro Platinum Breakout Pack (rusty)
Hasbro Platinum Autobots United (G1 style?)
Takara
Takara (rusty - TRU.jp)
Takara Nemesis (convention)
Milk Magazine Lucky Draw

I think that's it off the top of my head.
Thanks millhouse! I think there was also a stand alone Evasion Mode OP.

Urgh. A Lucky Draw just to p!ss people off.

[millhouse]

Thanks millhouse! I think there was also a stand alone Evasion Mode OP.

Urgh. A Lucky Draw just to p!ss people off.

These are all the different evasion mode primes that I know of.

Between the lucky draw and the TF expo? Yeah, I'm not getting them.

[Bidoofdude]

Isn't the milk evasion OP the exact same toy as the original?

[millhouse]

Isn't the milk evasion OP the exact same toy as the original?

Apart from the paint deco. Same difference with every reuse of the EM OP.

[DELTAprime]

Is the Milk one official? The way it was written up when I read about it made it sound like it was just something the magazine decided to do and not something official.

[griffin]

It's official, but a hand-painted custom of a regular Evasion Optimus toy after it left the factory, so doesn't count as a regular factory-release toy.
It's unique like a fan-painted custom toy, but deemed official because it was a sanctioned competition.

[Kapryiath]

so i managed to pick up a misb mp-1L in the hopes of getting the box signed by Peter Cullen at supanova.

My question is .... what do I do with it?
do i leave it sealed to protect its re-sale value ( even though i'm hoping to get a personalized signature therefore that will devalue the item )

do i open it to just remove the batteries to protect the casings from corrosion and put everything back and display it knowing its MiB

do I open it remove the batteries get the box signed and display both the box and the figure inside in all its glory?

[millhouse]

so i managed to pick up a misb mp-1L in the hopes of getting the box signed by Peter Cullen at supanova.

My question is .... what do I do with it?
do i leave it sealed to protect its re-sale value ( even though i'm hoping to get a personalized signature therefore that will devalue the item )

do i open it to just remove the batteries to protect the casings from corrosion and put everything back and display it knowing its MiB

do I open it remove the batteries get the box signed and display both the box and the figure inside in all its glory?

If you're getting it personally signed to you, go for the latter. Worse comes to worse, the damage is limited to a slice across some tape.

[UltraMarginal]

If you're worried about the batteries, which is reasonable, cut the bottom flap, to get at it.

and assuming the 1L version is a nice black box like all the other MP transformers, totally get him to use a nice mid weight silver or white sharpie. that will look fantastic.

[Golden Phoenix]

Get him to sign the box and the forearm so you can display him in either mode.

[millhouse]

and assuming the 1L version is a nice black box like all the other MP transformers, totally get him to use a nice mid weight silver or white sharpie. that will look fantastic.

And for god's sake LET IT DRY!