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dirge
9th December 2008, 09:08 PM
Some have turned up outside Mexico (ie with the regular mould imprints), but I suspect they're from the Netherlands. Or possibly Finland.
JuzMel
10th December 2008, 01:52 PM
Oooh can someone please tell me the difference between Super God Masterforce and Victory cartoon DVDs? I'm planning to get either one first because it's about $50 bucks a set.
GoktimusPrime
10th December 2008, 02:30 PM
Erm, one contains Masterforce and the other contains Victory (and possible the Zone OVA too). Chronologically Masterforce comes first, so if you've never seen them before I would recommend getting that before Victory.
Paulbot
10th December 2008, 03:15 PM
Not much help there Goktimus...
Masterforce features the Pretenders, Power(God)Masters, and second year Headmasters as the main characters. It has a more human focus (the Powermasters and Headmasters are humans that merge with transforming vehicles) but is still considered one of the best TF Anime series. I've not watched it all but I think it's great from what I've seen.
Victory features mostly Japanese-only toys and combiners are a big part of it. I believe some of the Micromasters might get a look in too but I'm not sure. I've not watched it yet.
It's a shorter series too if i recall correctly, so Masterforce is better value. Victory does include the Zone story which is primarily focused on Micromasters and is like a standalone movie.
Kyle
10th December 2008, 03:18 PM
I like Masterforce more. :)
GoktimusPrime
10th December 2008, 03:26 PM
Not much help there Goktimus...
Well the question did ask what the difference between the DVDs were so I wasn't entirely sure about the meaning of her question. Had she just said "What's the difference between the Masterforce and Victory cartoons?" then I would've gone into a more in-depth explanation, but the word "DVD" kinda threw me off there. :/
I think both Masterforce and Victory are pretty good stories. A lot of people do prefer Masterforce though - I do as well. It's very innovative and unique in terms of giving a new twist on Transformers... like their take on Pretenders (which Sky Shadow spoke about on the "which continuity" thread). Victory is mostly good but there's a group of characters who are kinda goofy that some people don't like as well. Masterforce also shows the regular human characters as being the most useful in any TF animated series since they are Transformers instead of being useless bystanders. This is not so in Victory. Victory has a kick-a$$ ending fight though. :D Story-wise Zone is bollocks but it's very well animated. (^_^)
But again, chronologically Masterforce comes first so watching Victory would give you spoilers on Masterforce.
TheDirtyDigger
10th December 2008, 03:38 PM
Make sure you get Headmasters first though Mel...if you haven't got it.
GoktimusPrime
10th December 2008, 03:50 PM
The Headmasters isn't that important insofar as it doesn't link to Masterforce as strongly as Masterforce links to Victory.
None of the characters from the Headmasters really appear in Masterforce, except for Chromedome who only makes a cameo appearance through a video call. There are no Headmasters spoilers in Masterforce aside from knowing that Chromedome doesn't die. Victory on the other hand does feature some characters from Masterforce and in a manner which is directly related to how Masterforce ends... so being exposed to those characters would in turn spoil the ending of Masterforce
TheDirtyDigger
10th December 2008, 04:05 PM
The Headmasters isn't that important insofar as it doesn't link to Masterforce as strongly as Masterforce links to Victory.
None of the characters from the Headmasters really appear in Masterforce, except for Chromedome who only makes a cameo appearance through a video call. There are no Headmasters spoilers in Masterforce aside from knowing that Chromedome doesn't die. Victory on the other hand does feature some characters from Masterforce and in a manner which is directly related to how Masterforce ends... so being exposed to those characters would in turn spoil the ending of Masterforce
Ah ok. I just thought that because they were in a chronological order it was sort of better watching them one, two and three.
SilverDragon
10th December 2008, 08:21 PM
@TheDirtyDigger: You've kinda unspoiled what Gok was trying not to spoil. :p
roller
11th December 2008, 09:05 AM
Even with my new slave wage paying job
i have limited funds
so before i make any rash decisiions, does anyone in the know (People with Hasbro and Takara connections) know if there will be a reissue or encore G1 Scorponok?
Does anyone psychic (However its spelt) detected a reissue thought from some Hasbro employee?
Anyone with foresight?
Kyle
11th December 2008, 09:09 AM
The bigger Encores didn't do well at Asian retails. My guess is unless Scorponok appears in a Movie (well he did... but needs to be much cooler and a more prominent major character), HasTak might not consider making such a big toy that will likely shelf-warm and sell below profit.
blackie
11th December 2008, 09:11 AM
COME ON FORT MAX ENCORE!!!!111!1!!!!!!!
STL
11th December 2008, 09:14 AM
The bigger Encores didn't do well at Asian retails. My guess is unless Scorponok appears in a Movie (well he did... but needs to be much cooler and a more prominent major character), HasTak might not consider making such a big toy that will likely shelf-warm and sell below profit.
That's very disappointing news. I had suspected as much but had hoped that Omega Supreme and the like would sell well enough to survive the line. The smaller lines judging by eBay seem not to have had much success. It could mean the end of Encore or less Encore altogether which would be sad.
Kyle
11th December 2008, 09:17 AM
That's very disappointing news. I had suspected as much but had hoped that Omega Supreme and the like would sell well enough to survive the line. The smaller lines judging by eBay seem not to have had much success. It could mean the end of Encore or less Encore altogether which would be sad.
On the bright side, we were wrong about Encore not continuing and are now seeing Hoist and Trailerbreaker. So maybe not all hope is lost. :)
iceburn
11th December 2008, 09:17 AM
big figures has no love...that's sad. prob can get more METROPLEXes when i'm back then!! woot..Autobot cities
roller
11th December 2008, 09:22 AM
last time i made a big purchase, it was for a incomplete G1 metroplex. The very next frickin day, Encore Metroplex Autobot city was released:mad:
So, im really just being careful as to not waste any big amounts of money on something that will be reissued with all its accessories in about a week. After a year i might be able to get over it.
Its times like these i actually wish that the mould was missing :p
roller
11th December 2008, 11:15 PM
Does anyone else cringe when they hear the majority of songs while watching the original tf movie?
kup
11th December 2008, 11:44 PM
I don't know if this is true or not but its a common believe that the Japanese do not like large toys, and general large goods because they have very small homes and don't wish single large stuff to take up space.
roller
11th December 2008, 11:46 PM
I don't know if this is true or not but its a common believe that the Japanese do not like large toys, and general large goods because they have very small homes and don't wish single large stuff to take up space.
i hope so
thatd mean for Encore Fort Maxs for us...in 2010
jaydisc
12th December 2008, 12:11 AM
Does anyone else cringe when they hear the majority of songs while watching the original tf movie?
yes
roller
12th December 2008, 12:44 AM
phew
thought it was just me
i find, "the Touch" and "Dare" to be the most cringe worthy when im watching it in the lounge room
1 guy at school surprised me by knowing the Touch, we laughed and cringed together
jacksplatt11
12th December 2008, 12:48 AM
The only good song is the TF theme by Lion or White Lion or whatever they are called
STL
12th December 2008, 12:52 AM
You ladies have no concept of cool. Go back to the 60s or whatever gutter you just got out of.
Come on sing it with me: "You got the touch! You got the power! YEAH! You got the power! When all is... "
That is so not cringeworthy.
Robzy
12th December 2008, 02:39 AM
Does anyone else cringe when they hear the majority of songs while watching the original tf movie?Hee hee... only if I'm watching the movie with someone (esp my gf) :o Otherwise I'm cool with it, and I think it adds to the retro charm of the film!
GoktimusPrime
12th December 2008, 08:04 AM
Does anyone else cringe when they hear the majority of songs while watching the original tf movie?
Hey! I listen to that stuff in my car!! You heretic without poo!!! :p
Tober
12th December 2008, 08:36 AM
Does anyone else cringe when they hear the majority of songs while watching the original tf movie?
Old movie - no. New movie - yes.
Ok, ok - I'm not fond of Stan Bush, but the rest are fine.
Sky Shadow
12th December 2008, 10:09 AM
The only good song is the TF theme by Lion or White Lion or whatever they are called
The one where they sing about an evil unicorn?
I love the eighties soundtrack, particularly the Vince DiCola stuff - I almost wore out that cassette. And I'm always moved by Stan Bush's Van Halenesque efforts.
blackie
12th December 2008, 11:02 PM
just watched the first 2 eppisodes of victory and WTF
why dont they do some backstory
all of a sudden there is all these new characters, and i have no idea where they came from or how their powers came to be :(
do they explain this later on?
roller
12th December 2008, 11:03 PM
i cant answer your question
But the majority of new characters introductions coulda been better in all mediums
loophole
14th December 2008, 08:13 PM
how exclusive/rare is the universe Nemesis Prime figure?
roller
14th December 2008, 08:19 PM
heaps if your not an american
Hereticpoo
17th December 2008, 03:06 PM
Which inconsiderate bot left his weapon unattended that led to Megatron mortally wounding 1986 Movie Prime? You know that purple gun that MP Megs has as an accesory.
And why was the MP Starcream prototype changed from having functional, well made legs to the useless appendages they are now?
http://powet.tv/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/mp03starscream.jpg
jacksplatt11
17th December 2008, 03:34 PM
Heretic, try hosting that picture on photobucket or something similar because we can't see it..
Good question about MP Starscream, I had never seen those pictures, and I must say that is very sexy, I'm quite happy with how MP Starscream legs turned out, but that looks like it would be a fair bit sturdier.. But sorry, can't answer the question
Hereticpoo
17th December 2008, 03:51 PM
Heretic, try hosting that picture on photobucket or something similar because we can't see it..
LMAO!
GoktimusPrime
17th December 2008, 05:24 PM
And why was the MP Starcream prototype changed from having functional, well made legs to the useless appendages they are now?
Kawamori Shouji decided to alter the legs to give the jet mode a more realistic looking underside which reveals less robot kibble.
Hereticpoo
17th December 2008, 05:29 PM
Kawamori Shouji decided to alter the legs to give the jet mode a more realistic looking underside which reveals less robot kibble.
:eek: Wow Kawamori you really stuffed that one up! The fact that I can't stand my seekers on their legs really gives me the irrits.
Thanks Gok, btw who did the gun belong to? The one that Megatron mortally wounded Optimus Prime with in the 1986 movie?
kurdt_the_goat
17th December 2008, 05:37 PM
While they can't really do outrageous poses with their tiny feet, mine (Skywarp) can stand up pretty fine and is fairly well balanced i think. If you pop the hip attachments/tail wings off and re-attach to the lower legs, u can basically get the same look as the prototype and a touch more stability cause they form heelspurs.
GoktimusPrime
17th December 2008, 07:20 PM
Thanks Gok, btw who did the gun belong to? The one that Megatron mortally wounded Optimus Prime with in the 1986 movie?
Are you talking about the one that comes with MP Megatron? I have no idea who originally owned that gun. It was conveniently lying there on the ground when Megatron wanted to blast Prime.
http://www.robot-japan.com/Gallery/Takara/Transformers/Masterpiece/Masterpiece-Megatron/Thumbnails/tn_016.jpg (http://www.robot-japan.com/Gallery/Takara/Transformers/Masterpiece/Masterpiece-Megatron/Gallery/016.jpg)
P.S.: I believe it belonged to a Transformer called Plot-device-ticon. :p
jaydisc
17th December 2008, 08:55 PM
how exclusive/rare is the universe Nemesis Prime figure?
It was a SDCC exclusive but they seem readily available in HK and other place. You can get him for slightly higher than local RRP from Shingstar here (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/705-53470-19255-0/1?type=2&campid=5336043815&toolid=10001&customid=&ext=260333658793&item=260333658793)
roller
17th December 2008, 10:40 PM
Which inconsiderate bot left his weapon unattended that led to Megatron mortally wounding 1986 Movie Prime? You know that purple gun that MP Megs has as an accesory.
i always thought it was either an insecticons or Blitzwings
but on further watching and arguing with dirge
it was decided that it was not known whos gun it was
Geminii
18th December 2008, 02:30 AM
i always thought it was either an insecticons or Blitzwings
but on further watching and arguing with dirge
it was decided that it was not known whos gun it was
It doesn't help that there are at least two different designs in the movie, depending on which second of screen time you're looking at.
GoktimusPrime
18th December 2008, 08:37 AM
i always thought it was either an insecticons or Blitzwings
Blitzwing has a rifle, not a hand-pistol and the Insecticons' guns are all chrome (white in the cartoon), not purple.
dirge
18th December 2008, 08:59 AM
It was Hauler's.
kup
18th December 2008, 09:08 AM
:eek: Wow Kawamori you really stuffed that one up! The fact that I can't stand my seekers on their legs really gives me the irrits.
Thanks Gok, btw who did the gun belong to? The one that Megatron mortally wounded Optimus Prime with in the 1986 movie?
I am also not a fan of Kawamori's modifications as they essentially cripple the robot mode in favor of the jet mode as far as the mold is concerned. Thankfully the most severe of his post design decisions were only implemented with Greenscream such as the color and plastic used.
Anyway there are ways to get around the Kawamori mods since the base prototype is still there:
http://www.geocities.com/wow_frostwolf/tf/sc4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/wow_frostwolf/tf/differ.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/wow_frostwolf/tf/differ2.jpg
GoktimusPrime
18th December 2008, 09:37 AM
If only MP Starscream had been designed more like the Macross Plus YF-19 - that's my personal favourite transforming Macross toy (although it's freakishly hard to transform, but so is MP Starscream :)).
http://www.tmpanime.com/images/medium/yam60yf19_MED.jpg
P.S.: I don't mean that Starscream should be designed to look like a YF-19 or any Macross Valkyrie, I mean that I wish the engineering effort was similar in terms of having a good looking jet mode and solid robot mode. Having said that, the jet mode isn't realistic so in fairness MP Starscream did have an extra level of difficulty in terms of achieving a realistic F-15 mode. Kawamori argued that at a Masterpiece level the jet mode shouldn't be just an oversized version of the G1 toy and betray robot mode kibble. On the other extreme you have MP Grimlock - but then again, you're never gonna be going for alt mode realism with a G1 Grimlock tribute/homage. ;)
TheDirtyDigger
18th December 2008, 11:31 AM
Does anybody know anything official about these guys?
Latino Twintwist (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250335755119&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015)
Latino Topspin (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250340010111&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015)
Apart from being made in Argentina I can't find anything else on these guys.
roller
18th December 2008, 12:11 PM
Blitzwing has a rifle, not a hand-pistol and the Insecticons' guns are all chrome (white in the cartoon), not purple.
yeah i based it on when they all get rammed and when Blitzwing jump in the air
Sky Shadow
18th December 2008, 12:20 PM
Does anybody know anything official about these guys?
Latino Twintwist (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250335755119&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015)
Latino Topspin (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250340010111&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015)
Apart from being made in Argentina I can't find anything else on these guys.
Latino Twin Twist likes big butts. Consequently, in 1985, Twin Twist took correspondence courses in Spanish and Portuguese. He called himself Salt-Man Z, went to Argentina to trawl the beaches and got himself a gnarly navy-blue and yellow tan. Salt-Man Z recently took a break from sunning himsef to hang out in Axiom Nexus but returned soonafter to hang with his Argentinian honeys. He is awesome.
For some less-helpful information: http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Argentina/Argentina.html
(And I would say that's not a bad price if you want an unusual G1 Transformer. I'm tempted myself.)
roller
18th December 2008, 12:26 PM
Latino Twin Twist likes big butts. Consequently, in 1985, Twin Twist took correspondence courses in Spanish and Portuguese. He called himself Salt-Man Z, went to Argentina to trawl the beaches and got himself a gnarly navy-blue and yellow tan. Salt-Man Z recently took a break from sunning himsef to hang out in Axiom Nexus but returned soonafter to hang with his Argentinian honeys. He is awesome.
(And I would say that's not a bad price if you want an unusual G1 Transformer. I'm tempted myself.)
you forgot to mention that they kicked him out when his visa expired:)
yeah they look great, if you boys want to buy them for me as a christmas present i wont mind :D
TheDirtyDigger
18th December 2008, 12:39 PM
Latino Twin Twist likes big butts. Consequently, in 1985, Twin Twist took correspondence courses in Spanish and Portuguese. He called himself Salt-Man Z, went to Argentina to trawl the beaches and got himself a gnarly navy-blue and yellow tan. Salt-Man Z recently took a break from sunning himsef to hang out in Axiom Nexus but returned soonafter to hang with his Argentinian honeys. He is awesome.
For some less-helpful information: http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Argentina/Argentina.html
(And I would say that's not a bad price if you want an unusual G1 Transformer. I'm tempted myself.)
Freaking cool Sky Shadow! Thanks. I've found another variant colour! By my right as Supreme Being of my collection I've changed her gender and renamed her Twin Spin. (It was either that or Top Twist but that sounds like a bread)
She's just entered the barracks of my Autobot Drone Army. Pics later.
kup
18th December 2008, 01:14 PM
On the other extreme you have MP Grimlock - but then again, you're never gonna be going for alt mode realism with a G1 Grimlock tribute/homage. ;)
A modernized T-Rex mode would have been nice :mad:
Yeah I still haven't gotten over that :p
GoktimusPrime
18th December 2008, 01:48 PM
"Salt" (salto) means "jump" in Spanish, hence the name "Saltman Z" for the Jumpstarter.
A modernized T-Rex mode would have been nice
I thought MP Grimlock could be positioned in both old skool "Godzilla" and modern "Jurassic Park" poses. Either way, it's a mechanical robot that looks like a T-Rex, not a realistic T-Rex itself. And if they were to do Grimlock with a realistic beast mode I would prefer them to make it a velociraptor as per his Beast Wars form (BW T-Rex is too iconically associated with Megatron too).
kup
18th December 2008, 02:09 PM
"Salt" (salto) means "jump" in Spanish, hence the name "Saltman Z" for the Jumpstarter.
I thought MP Grimlock could be positioned in both old skool "Godzilla" and modern "Jurassic Park" poses. Either way, it's a mechanical robot that looks like a T-Rex, not a realistic T-Rex itself. And if they were to do Grimlock with a realistic beast mode I would prefer them to make it a velociraptor as per his Beast Wars form (BW T-Rex is too iconically associated with Megatron too).
You can but it ends up looking stupid just like when you do that with G1 Grimlock due to the tail pointing up and the way too small head.
MP Grimlock appears to have the ability to move the tip of his tail from side to side but not up or down.
GoktimusPrime
18th December 2008, 04:17 PM
Well considering that the MP line is meant to be going for G1-accuracy, I think it's understandable that they use the old skool T-Rex design. The MP Seekers sacrificed G1 accuracy for better jet mode accuracy, and they've been criticised for that, so I guess TakaraTOMY are going back to the original plan of making MPs more G1-accurate rather than going for alt mode precision (which is really what Binaltech was for - the decision to make MP Starscream alt-mode accurate was Kawamori's decision which has met some criticism so yeah... I don't blame TakaTOM for moving away from that)
autobreadticon
18th December 2008, 04:59 PM
universe countdown, what repaint and size is he?
Sky Shadow
18th December 2008, 05:30 PM
universe countdown, what repaint and size is he?
Ultra. It's Cybertron Defense Red Alert. He was also the 2006 BotCon Beast Wars Megatron.
And I'll be getting both Universe Countdown and Darkwing (and Overkill. And probably even RiD Bruticus too). Finally, after all the boring homages, Universe is on a roll.
Tober
18th December 2008, 06:10 PM
What year is the JAPANESE release of the animated movie set? (English version is set in 2005). I seem to remember reading somewhere that it is set in 2010, but apparently that's when season 3 takes place... :confused:
roller
19th December 2008, 06:20 PM
this day in Mart K
i saw big big Movie bags, they were like shoppin bags kinda like David Jones or a department shop bag, anyone else seen em? aRe they meant to be christmassie - like you chuck presents in them like stockings?
I couldn't find any price tag
they had bumblbee and optimus
kup
19th December 2008, 06:28 PM
Well considering that the MP line is meant to be going for G1-accuracy, I think it's understandable that they use the old skool T-Rex design. The MP Seekers sacrificed G1 accuracy for better jet mode accuracy, and they've been criticised for that, so I guess TakaraTOMY are going back to the original plan of making MPs more G1-accurate rather than going for alt mode precision (which is really what Binaltech was for - the decision to make MP Starscream alt-mode accurate was Kawamori's decision which has met some criticism so yeah... I don't blame TakaTOM for moving away from that)
The Kowamori mods to make the jet mode more realistic did not have to affect the robot mode as much as it did. The only reason that the whole rear assemblies of the jet mode are hanging of Starscream's hips rather than attached to his legs is because Kawamori wanted them to, that's all. It wasn't necessary, he had already improved the alt mode without impacting the bot mode's G1 tribute as far as the mold design is concerned.
I am sure that if the robot mode mods had not been made, no one would of had an issue with the mold changes. The color and plastic used in the original release are another story which thankfully ended with Greenscream.
TheDirtyDigger
22nd December 2008, 02:30 PM
Twincast the Decepticon (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/RARE-JAPANESE-E-HOBBY-TRANSFORMERS-TWINCAST-MISB_W0QQitemZ320325106252QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Ac tion_Figures?hash=item320325106252&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318)
Do all e-hobby Twincasts come in a Decepticon box? He is an Autobot yeah?
kup
22nd December 2008, 02:44 PM
Yeah he is not a Destron but a Cybertron.
Weird.
GoktimusPrime
22nd December 2008, 04:23 PM
It's because he comes with Flipsides, who's a Decepticon sleeper agent. Everyone thinks that she's an Autobot, including herself - she's lived the life of an Autobot for thousands if not millions of years, forming close friendships etc etc., but buried deep within her subconscious is a Decepticon sleeper program that, when activated, will transform her into a Decepticon warrior who'd gladly gut her closest friends who probably trust her completely. Yeah... nasty stuff.
Golden Phoenix
22nd December 2008, 04:40 PM
It's because he comes with Flipsides, who's a Decepticon sleeper agent. Everyone thinks that she's an Autobot, including herself - she's lived the life of an Autobot for thousands if not millions of years, forming close friendships etc etc., but buried deep within her subconscious is a Decepticon sleeper program that, when activated, will transform her into a Decepticon warrior who'd gladly gut her closest friends who probably trust her completely. Yeah... nasty stuff.
Dun Dun Dun!
Reminds me of Battlestar Galactica
TheDirtyDigger
23rd December 2008, 09:04 AM
My Decepticon Insect Platoon (and shelf) is a little light on for numbers with only the 3 main and 4 deluxe G1 Insecticons currently populating it.
I'm thinking of beefing up their numbers with some Tf's from the Beast Wars. I currently own zero BW figures and I'm just wondering what insect Tf's there are in the line.
Thank you.
The Scream Man
23rd December 2008, 09:11 AM
no question for now, just marking the fact that over the last week I read this whole thread from start to finish.
Go me.
Paulbot
23rd December 2008, 09:55 AM
My Decepticon Insect Platoon (and shelf) is a little light on for numbers with only the 3 main and 4 deluxe G1 Insecticons currently populating it.
I'm thinking of beefing up their numbers with some Tf's from the Beast Wars. I currently own zero BW figures and I'm just wondering what insect Tf's there are in the line.
Thank you.
Transmetal Waspinator would look at home with the Insecticons (and comes in two colours) or the original Waspinator and his repaint Buzzsaw.
Others that come to mind are Insecticon (beetle), Manterror (mantis), Powerpinch (earwig), Inferno (ant), Scavenger (robot ant), Cicadacon (cicada), Ramhorn (beetle)
There's also a scorpion and some spiders but I think those aren't technically insects.
turtle boy
23rd December 2008, 10:04 AM
The little head busts. IE: Prime, Megsy ETC. Does anyone know what they are planning for the future? I think a Starscream would make sence. They have, Prime and Megs the origanal leaders. Roddy and Galvatron, the second leaders. And Magnus, the temp/fill in/sub Leader. Starscream would be a logical choice, cause he was the Dcon leader for a short stint.
Any one want to add anything?
griffin
23rd December 2008, 12:05 PM
no question for now, just marking the fact that over the last week I read this whole thread from start to finish.
Go me.
:eek::eek::eek::eek: OMG! There's over 1300 posts in this topic!!!
(and some posts are essay length too)
Give the man a prize... :D
Golden Phoenix
23rd December 2008, 12:23 PM
no question for now, just marking the fact that over the last week I read this whole thread from start to finish.
Go me.
Holy mother of supposed Christ. Your one crazy dude
The Scream Man
23rd December 2008, 01:50 PM
well, i wanted to make sure i didnt ask a question already asked before....
So anyone whos already filled in the permit want to get me a Masterpiece megatron
GoktimusPrime
23rd December 2008, 09:04 PM
Transmetal Waspinator would look at home with the Insecticons (and comes in two colours) or the original Waspinator and his repaint Buzzsaw.
Others that come to mind are Insecticon (beetle), Manterror (mantis), Powerpinch (earwig), Inferno (ant), Scavenger (robot ant), Cicadacon (cicada), Ramhorn (beetle)
There's also a scorpion and some spiders but I think those aren't technically insects.
Yeah, there are several arachnids in Beast Wars.
Other BW insects you left out were:
+ Jetstorm (dragonfly)
+ Retrax (pillbug)
+ Transquito (mosquito)
+ Drillbit (boll weevil)
+ Scarem (stag beetle, Transmetal 2)
From Japanese BW...
+ Big Mos (mosquito)
+ Powerhug (pill bug)
+ Tonbot (dragonfly)
+ Mantis (mantis)
+ Drill Nuts (boll weevil)
+ Scissorboy (earwig)
+ DJ (cicada)
+ Motorarm (dung beetle)
+ Dirgegun (cybernetic wasp)
Convention exclusives...
+ Antagony (ant
+ Vice Grip (earwig)
McDonald's Happy Meal toy...
+ Beetle (beetle)
And Digger I don't know if you'd be interested in half insect modes, but here are Fuzors with semi insectoid modes...
+ Buzzclaw (mantis, lizard)
+ Injector (hornet, lionfish)
+ Sky Shadow (dragonfly, iguana)
And from Blentrons (repaints of Fuzors but entirely different in TF canon)
+ Rartorarta (hornet, lionfish)
+ Drancron (dragonfly, iguana)
The Buzzclaw mould has also been repainted for Universe and Timelines (e.g.: Virulent clones) which are convention exclusives.
Autocon
24th December 2008, 01:34 AM
i know ive asked this before:o
when are the allaince comics coming out?
they are already out in the USA!
STL
24th December 2008, 01:56 AM
They should be out this weekend if shipping to Australia is good but I'm not sure b/c of the time of year. Otherwise, it'll be Monday at your local comicbook shop. We tend to be a day or so behind US releases but on the odd occassion we do beat them when it gets here on the Wednesday evening.
Paulbot
24th December 2008, 08:35 AM
i know ive asked this before:o
when are the allaince comics coming out?
they are already out in the USA!
The first Alliance comic book was in Melbourne comic book shops last Thursday.
swoop
24th December 2008, 10:25 AM
I just got a sealed energon megs, I opened it a few minutes ago ans there was 2 spuare pieces of plastic the same green colour as his weapons. does anyone know what there for if anything?
Autocon
24th December 2008, 02:49 PM
The first Alliance comic book was in Melbourne comic book shops last Thursday.
i asked the in Empire toys and they wont have it till monday or a week after!!!!
STL
24th December 2008, 10:24 PM
I just got a sealed energon megs, I opened it a few minutes ago ans there was 2 spuare pieces of plastic the same green colour as his weapons. does anyone know what there for if anything?
Are they pale green energon stars? I have no idea... pics?
i asked the in Empire toys and they wont have it till monday or a week after!!!!
Different comic shops in Australia have different distribution systems, not necessarily from Diamond. This is the case b/c there's a way around the Diamond system which can be terribly expensive to international sellers. Sellers in the UK started this and its basically whereby you order from a contact in the US and then getting shipping from them to you which works out far cheaper than Diamond. I suspect that may be the reason but I'm not 100% certain though it most likely is the explanation.
roller
26th December 2008, 12:47 PM
Does anyone here work for Hasbro?
Does the dude who voiced Rhinox also voice Vector Prime ?
feliz navidad
Paulbot
26th December 2008, 01:47 PM
Does the dude who voiced Rhinox also voice Vector Prime ?
Yes
griffin
26th December 2008, 02:09 PM
Does anyone here work for Hasbro?
If by chance there ever was, they wouldn't be announcing it, or be allowed to say. Since Hasbro have an official policy against interacting personally on fan-forums, they would have to register as a regular fan to participate, so that no one could know.
roller
26th December 2008, 04:06 PM
If by chance there ever was, they wouldn't be announcing it, or be allowed to say. Since Hasbro have an official policy against interacting personally on fan-forums, they would have to register as a regular fan to participate, so that no one could know.
Is there a way Hasbro could figure out if there was someone who said yes was an employee. With the use of a clever alias eg: "roller" how would they determine which employee it was?
griffin
26th December 2008, 05:10 PM
I don't think anyone working for Hasbro would risk making it known that they were from Hasbro, in case they lose their job over it. Interacting on a fan forum would not be worth that risk.
GoktimusPrime
26th December 2008, 05:49 PM
I work near Hasbro. So LMK if you'd like me to drive by and leave a flaming paper bag of dog poobouquet of flowers for them. :D :)
Gutsman Heavy
26th December 2008, 06:16 PM
I'd be too scared to say if I worked for Hasbro, raging fan boys are a worse prospect than death
"Burn he who shortens smokestacks!"
hungta
30th December 2008, 11:39 AM
Is it normal for TFA Soundwave to have the legs pop off?
I was helping my nephew fix it after the legs popped off.
Seems as they come off fairly often.
STL
30th December 2008, 11:50 AM
Is it normal for TFA Soundwave to have the legs pop off?
I was helping my nephew fix it after the legs popped off.
Seems as they come off fairly often.
Oh right, blame it on the nephew. :p
I just played w/ mine again to see and nope, they should pop off. They're on ball joints so there should be no real problem other than the fact that the ball joints might be a bit loose. If that's the case, you should return it.
hungta
30th December 2008, 11:56 AM
It wasn't me, he's just a strong kid for his age.
STL
30th December 2008, 11:57 AM
It wasn't me
Whatever. :p
roller
30th December 2008, 07:53 PM
why does someone on the board get lots of Acid storms? I think it was Jaydisc?:confused:
its not like Acidstorm is like Scourge or the insecticons where he/they are a clone army
just curious
whoever it is, do they use them to repaint into other custom figures?
sanbot
30th December 2008, 08:00 PM
Not sure where this belongs. Sorry if this shouldnt be posted here :o
Are Binaltech BT-05 Dead End Viper's rare or worth keeping in MISB condition? I bought it from Japan and am not particularly fussed about playing with it, but if its not really gonna be worth much in the future then I might as well take it out.
Edit: Oh and I saw this (http://cgi.ebay.com/Transformers-Binaltech-BT-05-Dead-End-Viper-MISB-Japan_W0QQitemZ370097859146QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item370097859146&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50) on EBAY which is the other reason I ask.
blackie
30th December 2008, 08:05 PM
why does someone on the board get lots of Acid storms? I think it was Jaydisc?:confused:
STL snafled them all up, took me weeks to get one, bastard :P
roller
30th December 2008, 11:36 PM
in the G1 movie soundtrack
is there a version where you get the whole movie music and songs by artists BUT without the dialogue or gun fire effects?
on a copy ive borrowed, there is no track of when they are driving around Quintessa looking for the Dinobots
on other filum soundtracks i have, its the whole film minus dialogue
STL
31st December 2008, 01:26 AM
why does someone on the board get lots of Acid storms? I think it was Jaydisc?:confused:
its not like Acidstorm is like Scourge or the insecticons where he/they are a clone army
just curious
whoever it is, do they use them to repaint into other custom figures?
Yo, you talking to me, punk? :p
The reason I'm amassing an army of them is that in the 3rd War Within series, Megatron returns to Cybertron with an armada of Seekers, the Aerospace Squadron, I believe. And that's my fascination with amassing so many Acid Storms, its purely fiction related. I'm on my way to having the number I'm aiming for but yes, my fascination with the mold comes not from how much I like the toy but a fiction related obsession.
I intend to use Starscreams as custom fodder for the remaining Seekers I'm still missing b/c I believe they're much easier to work with than the Acid Storms which require a lot more work to get them painted. That was what tipped me originally to go down the path of the Acid Storms.
STL snafled them all up, took me weeks to get one, bastard :P
Probably cos u weren't looking hard enough, Mary. And quit ur whining, I know its an incessant girls do but try and restrain urself once in a while.
King Atlas
31st December 2008, 02:46 AM
Ok, so I just remebered this now. In the MP-08 thread (one of them) I recall someone saying that the dinobots (or grimlock, whateva) are not that popular in Japan.
I think someone mentioned chromedome as a popular char in JP, and after watching headmasters, Im not suprised.
Who else (characters) is popular over in JP that isn't really cared for, well known or not known at all to the Western TF fans? Leave out the obvious ones and I guess at least 15 will do, if im not asking too much ;) (doesn't have to be g1)
Im guessing Ginrai is one of them......
GoktimusPrime
31st December 2008, 09:34 AM
This post contains Transformers Zone spoilers
Who else (characters) is popular over in JP that isn't really cared for, well known or not known at all to the Western TF fans?
I'd say...
+ Rodimus Convoy - he seems to be remembered more fondly amongst Japanese fans than Rodimus Prime. I find there's more resentment against Anglophone fans toward Rodimus.
+ Wheelie - not widely liked but certainly not widely despised in Japan as he is in Anglophone fans. The fact that Wheelie doesn't speak in stupid rhymes in Japanese probably helps.
+ Chromedome.
+ Holy - way more popular than Stakeout.
..and that's pretty much it without including Japanese-exclusive characters, who would obviously be more popular since they were never released in Anglophone markets.
Dai Atlas is a notorious character though - kinda like Wheelie amongst Anglophone fans, Dai Atlas is a character who is widely disliked by Japanese fans. I'm sure I've explained the reasons why before, but for anyone who doesn't know why, it's because a lot of Japanese fans strongly resent Dai Atlas' moral universe which is very different from that of Optimus Prime and other Autobot commanders.
Autobot leaders tend to follow the example of Optimus Prime in being very compassionate and merciful. Dai Atlas on the other hand is utterly ruthless against Decepticons - he takes no prisoners and will gladly slay his enemies. He's a very controversial character amongst Japanese Transfans... that and Akira whom JP fans love to debate over whether s/he is a boy or a girl (it's like FIRRIB/RIRFIB in terms of being one of those stupid neverending fan debates :p).
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/thumb/8/86/Zone_daiatlas03.jpg/180px-Zone_daiatlas03.jpg
canofwhoopass_87
31st December 2008, 01:10 PM
Hey guys - not sure if this has been mentioned before so I'll just throw it out there; anyone visited the home of dodgy g1 knockoffs yet?
(yahobby link was here)
Aside from the dinobots, minibots etc I'd never seen or heard of a KO g1 scourge, prowl or wheeljack until I checked yahobby. My G1 collecting days are long gone, but man these guys are making it a whole lot harder for transfans.
Sky Shadow
31st December 2008, 01:28 PM
in the G1 movie soundtrack
is there a version where you get the whole movie music and songs by artists BUT without the dialogue or gun fire effects?
on a copy ive borrowed, there is no track of when they are driving around Quintessa looking for the Dinobots
on other filum soundtracks i have, its the whole film minus dialogue
Do you have the 3H 'Lighing Their Darkest Hour' version?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighting_Their_Darkest_Hour
Or Til All Are One?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Til_All_Are_One
roller
31st December 2008, 06:39 PM
i have this version Skyshadow- i think its that one
http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/Product/3814/Transformers-the-Movie-|-O.s.t.-(Exp)
i take it its missing alot of tracks?
sifun
1st January 2009, 02:37 PM
What ever happened to Cyclonus' clone in the movie?
TheDirtyDigger
1st January 2009, 02:41 PM
What ever happened to Cyclonus' clone in the movie?
Moved to the country. Met a nice girl and settled down.
TheDirtyDigger
1st January 2009, 05:47 PM
Is this the newest one that isn't released here yet?
Classics Starscream (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Transformers-Classics-STARSCREAM-100-Complete_W0QQitemZ200273618132QQihZ010QQcategoryZ1 50193QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262)
Geminii
1st January 2009, 06:51 PM
Is there a way Hasbro could figure out if there was someone who said yes was an employee. With the use of a clever alias eg: "roller" how would they determine which employee it was?
As long as they stayed out of photos...
Heck, if I worked for Hasbro, I wouldn't announce it. People would be asking me all kinds of weirdo questions and trying to get me to send 'suggestions' to management. "Why are Transformers so expensive in Australia? Why is it so hard to get an official convention licence? Can you get me Aaron Archer's direct phone number?"
I'd just telecommute to HQ and pretend I was an independent contractor perpetually between gigs, or something.
griffin
1st January 2009, 07:01 PM
Is this the newest one that isn't released here yet?
Classics Starscream (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Transformers-Classics-STARSCREAM-100-Complete_W0QQitemZ200273618132QQihZ010QQcategoryZ1 50193QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262)
That's the first one. The new one looks like this:
http://www.robotkingdom.com/services/eshop/main.php?action=details&CatType=Category&II=TFU08D4SS&lang=us&CatID=1_70
griffin
1st January 2009, 07:13 PM
What ever happened to Cyclonus' clone in the movie?
I don't think it was meant to exist, as it didn't seem to appear ever again after it's introduction scene.
GoktimusPrime
1st January 2009, 07:35 PM
Yes, but the fact is that it does (did) exist, even if it wasn't meant to. So it shall evermore remain one of the great unsolved mysteries of Transformers, right up there with what the slag ever happened to Sparkplug in the cartoon after Season 2! :D There's gotta be like this Transformers limbo full of characters who mysteriously vanished for no apparent reason. :)
http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/thumb/a/a4/Cyclonus_tf2.jpg/180px-Cyclonus_tf2.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/6563/Witwicky.jpg
Where Are They Now?
blackie
1st January 2009, 10:34 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Transformers-Gen-1-red-white-jet_W0QQitemZ270324516739QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Toy sGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN?hash=item270 324516739&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318
isnt this leozack? just in red?
Paulbot
1st January 2009, 10:37 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Transformers-Gen-1-red-white-jet_W0QQitemZ270324516739QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Toy sGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN?hash=item270 324516739&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318
isnt this leozack? just in red?
Yes, part of the Rescue Force (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Rescue_Force) released in Europe/Australia. This particular Autobot has no individual name.
liegeprime
2nd January 2009, 08:47 AM
Yes, but the fact is that it does (did) exist, even if it wasn't meant to. So it shall evermore remain one of the great unsolved mysteries of Transformers, right up there with what the slag ever happened to Sparkplug in the cartoon after Season 2! :D There's gotta be like this Transformers limbo full of characters who mysteriously vanished for no apparent reason. :)
Where Are They Now?
Another one for the missing blotter case would be Chip Chase. He was dropped altogether like a bag of S%@*! after the movie.:o
GoktimusPrime
2nd January 2009, 09:34 AM
Yeah but unlike Sparkplug Chip didn't as much of a compelling reason to hang around... unlike say ya know, being with his family (i.e.: Spike, Carly, Daniel). He probably went to gaol for fraud... we all know that he ain't really disabled.
http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/thumb/9/94/Chipchase.jpg/200px-Chipchase.jpg <--that wheelchair was just an excuse to claim the disabled pension! :p
Paulbot
2nd January 2009, 10:25 PM
Moderation note
Please try to keep this thread to simple questions and their replies. Other broader discussions (such as "I told my girlfriend I collect Transformers (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=3147)") should take place in their own threads. :)
Gutsman Heavy
4th January 2009, 05:17 PM
Is there a reason why G1 Powermaster Prime has long smokestacks and Ginrai (and all reissues inc Comm' Powermaster Prime) don't have them? Seems strange that Tak would crop them.
GoktimusPrime
4th January 2009, 06:42 PM
They're not cropped. The original Ginrai toy had shorter smokestacks than PM Prime - PM Prime and Ginrai are substantially different moulds from each other (the super robot arms are entirely different too). But they're not "newtered" like Hasbro's reissue Primes and Magnuses (Magni?), while Ginrai's smokestacks are shorter, they're not "chopped off" at the mid-section like Hasbro's Prime/Magni reissues. The length of reissue Ginrai's smokestacks is accurate to the original Ginrai toy.
Here is a comparison between original and reissue Ginrai (http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/pitapa256/27146922.html) - the author (pitapa256) makes no mention of any difference between the smokestacks. According to this page, the main differences are in the packaging and some of the stickers.
Borgeman
5th January 2009, 12:44 AM
quick qu - of the 4 BT smokescreens made, which one(s) are the higher priced one(s)? maybe someone could rank them, if thats possible?
George
iceburn
5th January 2009, 09:09 AM
borge...i reckon they are about the same price being BT Smokescreens.
From ebay, it seems that BT07s are more expensive at about > $200
A couple of BT01 #7 and #8 that have ended before Christmas last year, came up to about > A$90 to A$140 before shipping.
Tommy K
5th January 2009, 02:00 PM
heres a question :
how are transformers created?
GoktimusPrime
5th January 2009, 03:02 PM
If you mean reproduction then it occurs in basically in 2 stages.
Stage 1: Construct/acquire a body.
Stage 2: Imbue it with sentience.
How this is done varies between canonical sources, but that's fundamentally how they all work. :) Sometimes the order of these stages can change, or even occur simultaneously.
The main exception would have been the very ancient Transformers who could reproduce via a form of asexual reproduction similar to mitotic cell division on a massively large scale. It looks like this:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/thumb/3/35/Budding.jpg/180px-Budding.jpg
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If you mean the origin of the species, then there are several different explanations.
1/ The Transformers were created along the lines of mechanical evolution - beginning with simple gears and cogs, much like how organic life evolved from single-celled organisms. Although this origin was retconned out of existence by the comics' later divine creation story, there continued to be elements of evolution within the Transformers' comics. In Transformers G2 we learnt that the Transformers were able to asexually self-reproduce, but they eventually lost that ability. The "Generation 2" Decepticons (e.g.: Liege Maximo, Jhiaxus etc.) claimed to be on a higher scale of evolution than the G1 Transformers - and indeed led a campaign where they attempted to ethnically cleanse the galaxy of the "inferior" G1 Transformers. The Swarm, after being effected by the Matrix, went on to evolve into the Vok (re: Beast Wars). The movie continuity also displays some elements of evolution, e.g.: Prime suggesting to Ironhide that they were once a primitive and violent species; and one of the movie script writers mentioned that the reason why the Transformers that had been newly created by the AllSpark acted so violently was because they hadn't yet evolved a sophisticated level of reasoning - they were effectively feral.
2/ In the G1 cartoon the Transformers were first created by Quintessons as commodities to be sold to other species. Their slaves eventually rebelled and exiled them from Cybertron which they claimed as their own planet.
3/ The G1 comics gave us the divine creation story - that the Transformers species was created by the god Primus, as a final line of defence against the dark god Unicron. Each Transformer's life essence was spawned a sample of Primus' own life essence, manifested in an artifact known as the Creation Matrix.
Beast Wars expanded on G1 & G2 origin stories and clearly defined a Transformer's life essence/laser core into what they called the "Spark" and introduced the AllSpark Matrix being something similar to Nirvana - where all Sparks originate and are destined to return to. Evolution by the time of Beast Wars seemed to be artificial - i.e.: the Transformers intentionally upgraded themselves into Maximals and Predacons rather than having it occur as a natural process. Beast Machines explained that Cybertron itself had evolved from an organic world (something which is supported by both G1 cartoon and comic book canon) and that the next stage of evolution was the balance between machines and nature.
snazzbot 101
5th January 2009, 07:57 PM
If you mean reproduction then it occurs in basically in 2 stages.
Stage 1: Construct/acquire a body.
Stage 2: Imbue it with sentience.
How this is done varies between canonical sources, but that's fundamentally how they all work. :) Sometimes the order of these stages can change, or even occur simultaneously.
The main exception would have been the very ancient Transformers who could reproduce via a form of asexual reproduction similar to mitotic cell division on a massively large scale. It looks like this:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/thumb/3/35/Budding.jpg/180px-Budding.jpg
-------
If you mean the origin of the species, then there are several different explanations.
1/ The Transformers were created along the lines of mechanical evolution - beginning with simple gears and cogs, much like how organic life evolved from single-celled organisms. Although this origin was retconned out of existence by the comics' later divine creation story, there continued to be elements of evolution within the Transformers' comics. In Transformers G2 we learnt that the Transformers were able to asexually self-reproduce, but they eventually lost that ability. The "Generation 2" Decepticons (e.g.: Liege Maximo, Jhiaxus etc.) claimed to be on a higher scale of evolution than the G1 Transformers - and indeed led a campaign where they attempted to ethnically cleanse the galaxy of the "inferior" G1 Transformers. The Swarm, after being effected by the Matrix, went on to evolve into the Vok (re: Beast Wars). The movie continuity also displays some elements of evolution, e.g.: Prime suggesting to Ironhide that they were once a primitive and violent species; and one of the movie script writers mentioned that the reason why the Transformers that had been newly created by the AllSpark acted so violently was because they hadn't yet evolved a sophisticated level of reasoning - they were effectively feral.
2/ In the G1 cartoon the Transformers were first created by Quintessons as commodities to be sold to other species. Their slaves eventually rebelled and exiled them from Cybertron which they claimed as their own planet.
3/ The G1 comics gave us the divine creation story - that the Transformers species was created by the god Primus, as a final line of defence against the dark god Unicron. Each Transformer's life essence was spawned a sample of Primus' own life essence, manifested in an artifact known as the Creation Matrix.
Beast Wars expanded on G1 & G2 origin stories and clearly defined a Transformer's life essence/laser core into what they called the "Spark" and introduced the AllSpark Matrix being something similar to Nirvana - where all Sparks originate and are destined to return to. Evolution by the time of Beast Wars seemed to be artificial - i.e.: the Transformers intentionally upgraded themselves into Maximals and Predacons rather than having it occur as a natural process. Beast Machines explained that Cybertron itself had evolved from an organic world (something which is supported by both G1 cartoon and comic book canon) and that the next stage of evolution was the balance between machines and nature.
Another answer is By Commitee.
GoktimusPrime
5th January 2009, 08:32 PM
Well it's no secret that Transformers has never had a unified form of continuity, so the fact is that we have multiple versions of Transformers creation as a result. It's just something we gotta deal with. And there are advantages to having multiple continuities too (i.e.: fans have a choice over which canon they prefer)
Sky Shadow
5th January 2009, 08:46 PM
Does anybody have any of the old Machine Men comic books that were given out free at toy shops? The third and fourth issues are up on this site: http://counter-x.net/gobots/comic/machine_men/index.html (For some reason, the guy still calls them the first and second issues even though I've corrected him on it.)
The first issue was black and white (well, black and yellow) and had a competition for a silver Crasher. I think Zod was the cliffhanger. The second issue dealt with the battle with Zod and had a competition for a gold Baron Von Joy (one of which I won, though I no longer have it.)
I thought if anyone would have these comics it would be someone here so... anyone?
roller
5th January 2009, 08:48 PM
Does anybody have any of the old Machine Men comic books that were given out free at toy shops? The third and fourth issues are up on this site: http://counter-x.net/gobots/comic/machine_men/index.html (For some reason, the guy still calls them the first and second issues even though I've corrected him on it.)
The first issue was black and white (well, black and yellow) and had a competition for a silver Crasher. I think Zod was the cliffhanger. The second issue dealt with the battle with Zod and had a competition for a gold Baron Von Joy (one of which I won, though I no longer have it.)
I thought if anyone would have these comics it would be someone here so... anyone?
are they those toys that were retconned into the TF universe?
Sky Shadow
6th January 2009, 07:22 AM
are they those toys that were retconned into the TF universe?
Yeah - Fracture/Crasher, Bug Bite, Bad Boy, Pathfinder, Road Ranger, Small Foot, Treads and Cy-Kill have been in one way or another. And it's where they got names like Leader-1 and (your friend) Staxx.
The Scream Man
6th January 2009, 07:24 AM
I always kinda liked Machine men. They were basic, but fun :)
Paulbot
6th January 2009, 09:36 AM
Does anybody have any of the old Machine Men comic books that were given out free at toy shops? The third and fourth issues are up on this site: http://counter-x.net/gobots/comic/machine_men/index.html (For some reason, the guy still calls them the first and second issues even though I've corrected him on it.)
The first issue was black and white (well, black and yellow) and had a competition for a silver Crasher. I think Zod was the cliffhanger. The second issue dealt with the battle with Zod and had a competition for a gold Baron Von Joy (one of which I won, though I no longer have it.)
I thought if anyone would have these comics it would be someone here so... anyone?
I have the third one (that the other site calls first). I got it from my cousin back in the 80s and use the center page spread as my main guide to Machine Men toys (despite the odd mistakes such as Cop-tur facing the wrong way).
GoktimusPrime
6th January 2009, 11:35 AM
From the January Hasbro Qs thread (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=2850&page=3):
Umm.... breast masters? Am I the only one who laughed hysterically reading that? I know I'm going to feel silly, but what is a breast master? It sounds way dirtier than head master!
Breastmasters are a Decepticon sub-group whose breastplates can detach and transform into their guns and small robotic animals. They came out in 1989. The Decepticon commander Death Zaras (aka Death Saurus) is a Breastmaster with two breastplate partners. The other Breastmasters form a team known as Breast Force who are able to merge into Lio Kaiser.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/starscream/character/images/leozack.jpghttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/thumb/f/f8/Deszaras1.jpg/180px-Deszaras1.jpghttp://www.vega.or.jp/~butto/picture/tfcg1-dz03.jpg
Lio Kaiser is a milestone in terms of Transformers toy design as he represented the first gestalt where all the gestalt robot components except for the head (e.g.: fists, feet, thighs) were self-contained in the member robots, instead of being detachable accessories. Later G1 and G2 gestalts failed to pick up on this revolutionary trait, but we did see this concept improved upon in 1997 with the Beast Wars gestalts. Car Robot's JRX and Build King (RiD Rail Racer & Landfill; 2000) also feature fully self-contained gestalt parts. The Super Link/Energon (2004) gestalts were a bit of a regression as they had detachable fists and feet.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/thumb/b/bb/G1_Liokaiser_toy.jpg/150px-G1_Liokaiser_toy.jpg (http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/manwood/484/TF/V-Figures/Breastforce1.jpg)http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/thumb/2/20/Tripledacus1.jpg/250px-Tripledacus1.jpghttp://www.toyarena.com/gif/rid.jpg
STL
6th January 2009, 10:02 PM
I really must get me a Deszaras this year. And a Liokaiser too. They're tops on the vintage lists for me. But jsut having the reality that the gestalt team is called "Breast Force" is making me a tad queasy. :eek:
GoktimusPrime
7th January 2009, 08:43 AM
Only if you're going to remain in the 3rd Grader's mindset of "breast = boobs." (*teehee* I said boobs! :D) In the terms of what these toys do, they're using the word "breast" in a perfectly appropriate context. Sure, it's not a terribly marketable term of the Anglophone market, but these toys weren't intended for the Anglophone market! In fact, the Hasbro versions of these toys (Autobot Rescue Force) were devoid of their breast partners... they were also devoid of individual names... Hasbro's version of Leozak could've been called "Paul" for all we know. :p
L-R: John, George, Ringo and Paul
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/thumb/d/db/Rescue_force.jpg/300px-Rescue_force.jpg
Hasbro's Autobot Rescue Force... despite the repainted Breastmaster box art, these toys did not come with knockersbreastplates.
...then there's how some Transfans abbreviate "Titanium (Series)" as "Tit" (e.g.: "Tit Jetfire")... that was really silly, especially considering that the official scientific abbreviation is "Ti" - which is shorter and less silly sounding!!
http://www.lootlady.com/images/transformer%20titanium%202.jpg"You TIT! I soiled my armour I was so scared!" - Sir Robin The Brave (Monty Python and the Holy Grail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg))
autobreadticon
7th January 2009, 01:46 PM
hi guys is there a reference i can use to compare hasbro MP Starscream and Takara MP Starscream, i am not fussed about getting Thundercracker or Skywarp ,which 1 reigns supreme?
GoktimusPrime
7th January 2009, 05:26 PM
See post #6 on the Photo Comparisons thread (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=2482).
dirge's MP Starscream review (http://www.cliffbee.com/reviews/mpscreamer.php) also states, "Hasbro produced a later toy in Starscream's _actual_ colours, using a sturdier plastic. Masterpiece Thundercracker and Skywarp are repaints of Starscream."
blackie
8th January 2009, 07:09 PM
which comic has the group picture of all the sunstreaker clones in it?
Paulbot
8th January 2009, 07:22 PM
which comic has the group picture of all the sunstreaker clones in it?
Which particular 'group picture'? Maximum Dinobots #1 has a picture of many in vehicle mode.
blackie
8th January 2009, 07:42 PM
Which particular 'group picture'? Maximum Dinobots #1 has a picture of many in vehicle mode.
thats the one :D
major space of mine
roller
9th January 2009, 06:14 PM
Is there any idea when the Universe 2 line will end?
Im starting to get feelings for Prowl, i orginally planned to buy none of them because im now on the poverty line, but damn they look good!!! some of them
Golden Phoenix
9th January 2009, 08:17 PM
Is there any idea when the Universe 2 line will end?
Im starting to get feelings for Prowl, i orginally planned to buy none of them because im now on the poverty line, but damn they look good!!! some of them
I think they are supposed to be put on hold around the time the movie comes out
Wheel-J
9th January 2009, 09:19 PM
Is there any idea when the Universe 2 line will end?
If this question hasn't been answered yet, I reckon it could be included in the February Q's to Hasbro thread (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=3223), as I'm also interested to know like how many more universe toys will be released in 2009 (particularly on the deluxe & voyager/ultras class)?
canofwhoopass_87
9th January 2009, 10:12 PM
Is there any idea when the Universe 2 line will end?
My thoughts exactly.
jacksplatt11
9th January 2009, 10:16 PM
Isn't Cyclonus, Inferno etc the last bit? Then it's onto the movie stuff, yeah? With Universe returning in 2010... I think I remember that from somewhere, not sure about Animated though
griffin
10th January 2009, 01:24 AM
I think it would be worth asking what the hiatus period is, that Hasbro plans to give Universe. With the way they dragged out the first movie toyline, into over a year of recolours and store exclusives, it could end up being anyone's guess at Hasbro.
fatbot
10th January 2009, 05:20 PM
Is there any idea when the Universe 2 line will end?
Im starting to get feelings for Prowl, i orginally planned to buy none of them because im now on the poverty line, but damn they look good!!! some of them
be careful qc can be VERY bad
liegeprime
10th January 2009, 06:34 PM
I think it would be worth asking what the hiatus period is, that Hasbro plans to give Universe. With the way they dragged out the first movie toyline, into over a year of recolours and store exclusives, it could end up being anyone's guess at Hasbro.
Well didnt they put Classics as a filler issue then, til the movie came up. I guess they will do the same for Universe line, until the second movie gets exhausted again then they'd restart it... prolly Universe 3.0 heheheh. You might have a chance to ask this at Botcon Bossbot!:D
blackie
11th January 2009, 05:55 PM
something fishy here
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOXED-JAPANESE-REFLECTOR-C-21-RARE-ORIGINAL-NO-MAILAWAY_W0QQitemZ110336396928QQcmdZViewItemQQptZL H_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item110336396928&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1309
its listed as c21, but reflector is a decepticon... is there even a non mailaway version of reflector?
roller
11th January 2009, 05:59 PM
Is there a reason as to why the G1 Yellow Constructicons were not released in the US ?
The G1 Yellow Constructicons cannot form Devastator? why?
ta
GoktimusPrime
11th January 2009, 06:13 PM
Cos Hasbro UK said so! :p
griffin
11th January 2009, 08:09 PM
something fishy here
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOXED-JAPANESE-REFLECTOR-C-21-RARE-ORIGINAL-NO-MAILAWAY_W0QQitemZ110336396928QQcmdZViewItemQQptZL H_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item110336396928&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1309
its listed as c21, but reflector is a decepticon... is there even a non mailaway version of reflector?
First year JP Transformers (1985) were numbered without C or D for Cybertron or Destron. They started that in year 2, as it became obvious that the numbers were gonna get huge quickly, and it helped differentiate between the good guys and bad guys.
The seller has listed it incorrectly in the title, but the packaging is legit. Reflector was released in JP in stores as '21', but was only a mailaway item in western markets by Hasbro.
Is there a reason as to why the G1 Yellow Constructicons were not released in the US ?
The G1 Yellow Constructicons cannot form Devastator? why?
ta
Probably for marketting purposes. Maybe it was cheaper, or they didn't see the gimmick as being worth including, as Devastator would appear as a clumsy looking 'block' next to the rest of the toys they were releasing at that time (Turbomasters and Predators).
Shortly after, the US released the Constructicons with the combiner feature, probably because Devastator more easily fit right in visually with the various other Gen1 redecos in Gen2.
I think visually, from a marketting perspective, the UK didn't want Devastator, just the Constructicons, but the US wanted Devastator because they blended in with all the other Gen1 moulds being used.
But that's just my guess, based on how Hasbro prioritise the interests of retailers, who don't care about the product as long as it looks good on a display for them to look over and pre-order.
Gutsman Heavy
15th January 2009, 04:14 PM
I've been playing around with my God Ginrai fig, awesome toy that, but I'd like to know if there is somewhere on the trailer to hold the super robot head? Also is there somewhere else the engine can be stored other than the cabs grill in vehicle mode?
Sky Shadow
15th January 2009, 04:37 PM
Probably for marketting purposes. Maybe it was cheaper, or they didn't see the gimmick as being worth including, as Devastator would appear as a clumsy looking 'block' next to the rest of the toys they were releasing at that time (Turbomasters and Predators).
They were also releasing equally anonymous non-combining versions of Breast Force at the same time. Maybe Hasbro UK were just creating their own lines of impotent knockoffs? ;)
GoktimusPrime
15th January 2009, 09:55 PM
I've been playing around with my God Ginrai fig, awesome toy that, but I'd like to know if there is somewhere on the trailer to hold the super robot head?
Yeah, inside the trailer. Ginrai's head was initially intended to transform into a robot and roller buggy which could roll in and out of the trailer. This idea was scrapped as it exceeded budget - but the actual head itself can easily fit inside the trailer.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/ginrai_prototype.jpg
Also is there somewhere else the engine can be stored other than the cabs grill in vehicle mode?
Not really, although I suppose you could bung him into the trailer too. :p
Gutsman Heavy
16th January 2009, 12:08 AM
is there a dedicated spot the head goes in or just anywhere it fits?
GoktimusPrime
16th January 2009, 09:07 AM
Not really. As I said, the space in the trailer was designed to house the roller-buggy unit - i.e.: so it could roll in and out. But the head does fit in surprisingly securely - it doesn't really jiggle about much. Try it. :)
I display my Ginrai in robot mode and PM Prime in truck mode. I store my PM Prime head inside the trailer. (^_^)
Gutsman Heavy
16th January 2009, 09:57 PM
much thanks Gok
Robzy
17th January 2009, 12:08 AM
Does anybody have any of the old Machine Men comic books that were given out free at toy shops? The third and fourth issues are up on this site: http://counter-x.net/gobots/comic/machine_men/index.html (For some reason, the guy still calls them the first and second issues even though I've corrected him on it.)
The first issue was black and white (well, black and yellow) and had a competition for a silver Crasher. I think Zod was the cliffhanger. The second issue dealt with the battle with Zod and had a competition for a gold Baron Von Joy (one of which I won, though I no longer have it.)
I thought if anyone would have these comics it would be someone here so... anyone?I've got 3 comics - the 2 that are in the link you added, and another 1 called "Space Wars II" - so I guess that's the second one you're talking about...?
It's in full colour and has the Gold Baron Von Joy Comp you mentioned! Basically, Zod frees Cy-Kill and his Renegades and they flee to earth. The Guardians chase them and they battle - which seems to lead towards the 3rd comic's story...
:)
Sky Shadow
17th January 2009, 07:15 AM
I've got 3 comics - the 2 that are in the link you added, and another 1 called "Space Wars II" - so I guess that's the second one you're talking about...?
It's in full colour and has the Gold Baron Von Joy Comp you mentioned! Basically, Zod frees Cy-Kill and his Renegades and they flee to earth. The Guardians chase them and they battle - which seems to lead towards the 3rd comic's story...
:)
Awesome, Robzy. Do you have a scanner (and if so could you please scan it for me whenever you get the time?) Or if not, could I please borrow the comic to do so? I'd really like it if we could update the Machine Men section of this website http://counter-x.net/index.php with correct information and resources for the Australian franchise.
Robzy
17th January 2009, 03:52 PM
Awesome, Robzy. Do you have a scanner (and if so could you please scan it for me whenever you get the time?) Or if not, could I please borrow the comic to do so? I'd really like it if we could update the Machine Men section of this website http://counter-x.net/index.php with correct information and resources for the Australian franchise.Yeah sure :) I'll try and scan it in the next few days!
Sky Shadow
17th January 2009, 03:59 PM
Yeah sure :) I'll try and scan it in the next few days!
Thanks heaps. :)
roller
17th January 2009, 04:52 PM
Hey Homes
can you please tell me which accessories these belong to? I was told they were Seacons parts and menasor and Devastator bits
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/Rollerforce/DSCN2664.jpg
and also, who are these Nebulan Monkeys to the right of the photo
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/Rollerforce/DSCN2663.jpg
Robzy
17th January 2009, 06:25 PM
I can see Galvatron's arm cannon holder, Menasor's right fist & foot, Devastator's left fist, Bonecrusher's little green gun, and black Devastator's arms (is this a variant maybe?)
SofaMan
17th January 2009, 08:48 PM
Hey Homes
can you please tell me which accessories these belong to? I was told they were Seacons parts and menasor and Devastator bits
You've got one complete weapon stand, that came with each of the small Seacons. The small Seacons each had a weapon mode also, and these stands were what you put them on in this mode. They were identical for each Seacon.
The grey gun on the left goes with Nautilator, and the big black fist with the spike is one of Piranacon's fists.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/Rollerforce/DSCN2664.jpg
and also, who are these Nebulan Monkeys to the right of the photo
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/Rollerforce/DSCN2663.jpg
They are (L-R) Singe (who pairs with Spinister), Zigzag and Sunbeam (who pair with Needlenose)
roller
17th January 2009, 10:46 PM
thanks heaps sofaman
roller
18th January 2009, 06:14 PM
roller: I can't believe you got AM Shockwave's legs. What do you do with all these junkers?!
I bought the legless Action master Wheeljerk and 1 leg missing tracks and put them in my bag
I bought the legs as a joke initially, jokingly thinking about putting them on tracks and wheeljack- i got the legs for a steal, $1 each from the overly generous Llamatron.
the more i thought about it, the more it made sense to put them on.
So tracks has 2 legs again which makes him more playable and can stand
plus, i doubt i will find their individual legs and i doubt i will find the complete figures for a cheap price
roller
18th January 2009, 09:49 PM
i combined G1 Devastator for the first time yesterday
I dont think anything is broken
but the bit that Longhaul is meant to slide on to seems to be loose, he doesn't sit firmly in there
and because of the top half of Devastator seems to face forwards/down
how do people play with this thing ? It falls apart when you touch it
GoktimusPrime
19th January 2009, 08:30 AM
Devastator is by far the most fragile of the G1 gestalts (Monstructor would come second with his Gold Plastic Syndrome)... yet it's weird how so many people keep citing Devastator as their all time favourite G1 gestalt toy. I think Lio Kaiser is the best of the G1 gestalts. Amongst the Hasbro G1 gestalts I think Predaking rocks. I think a lot of people have a biased liking for Devastator just because he was the first gestalt - so he ends up being massively overrated for the same reason that Bruce Lee is overrated... no real comparison. (-_-)
roller
19th January 2009, 09:07 AM
which version are the Devastator forearms from? I thought they were G2 initially but then i saw a pic and those ones aren't black
GoktimusPrime
19th January 2009, 09:14 AM
Nothing official. Possibly from some KOs which were sold at Targets a few years ago (the Constructicons themselves were yellow and black).
canofwhoopass_87
19th January 2009, 11:57 AM
but the bit that Longhaul is meant to slide on to seems to be loose, he doesn't sit firmly in there
and because of the top half of Devastator seems to face forwards/down
how do people play with this thing ? It falls apart when you touch it
Hey, I think the reason why the upper body of your devastator is tilting forward is because you haven't attached the leg connector to Long Haul properly. For me, this is one of the most frustrating (if not the most frustrating) transformation of all the gestalt teams. Look up some nice big photos of devvy on google and check out how to shove that piece into Longy's legs. It should be a firm fit (with the connector tab sitting on the two chrome pointy things on his legs). Or if someone else here can give a better detailed step by step guide, would be great! I'm not in Australia at the moment so I haven't got my devy to show you :o
Gok, I have to agree with you when you say Predaking is up there :)
Robzy
19th January 2009, 07:48 PM
thanks heaps sofamanFine... ignore me!
:cool:
roller
20th January 2009, 11:08 AM
Fine... ignore me!
:cool:
robzy, Roller does not forget those who have helped him :)
LordCyrusOmega
20th January 2009, 02:21 PM
Just wondering if there is much difference between the original Generation 1 releases and later robot master releases.
dirge
20th January 2009, 02:45 PM
Just wondering if there is much difference between the original Generation 1 releases and later robot master releases.
Robotmasters are new moulds compared to G1. Toys like Lioconvoy, Star Saber, Victory Leo are all a lot smaller than their G1 counterparts, and a little simpler also.
GoktimusPrime
20th January 2009, 05:49 PM
They're also more show-like in design and colours.
roller
21st January 2009, 04:17 PM
Did G1 or the toy line run for 9 yrs ? Not counting reissues and ehobby stuff
GoktimusPrime
21st January 2009, 05:26 PM
"Generation One" was originally a fan term used to describe all Transformers that came before "Generation 2" and that's basically what I suppose most fans would classify as the "original G1" (so not including reissues, retro-G1 etc.).
The original series of pre-G2 Transformers ran from 1984-1993, so yes, a total of 9 years. The 1993 G1 Transformers were later repackaged as G2 Transformers and so those toys are sometimes referred to by fans as "G1.5" but that term's never been used in an official capacity. Officially those toys are either G1 or G2 depending on which packaging they came in (which is impossible to tell if you get them loose w/o card or box, hence why fans created the G1.5 category).
Tommy K
21st January 2009, 08:16 PM
who is prowl? i honestly dont know whom this guy is, he reminds me of the guy with no personailty off ratrace lol
oh and
Q2
optimals, are there moer than just optimus primal and megatron?
roller
21st January 2009, 08:24 PM
in the G1 cartoon you could say that, as he never has any substantial air time
In the G1 Marvel comics he was sort of a control freak who loved rules
his toys are cool though
he is driven by logic according to his Tech spec
as for your second question
there is an R.I.D version of Optimal optimus, i guess he would be from the RID future, but i cant remember if he is actually Bw optimus dimension hopping/official retcon
Bartrim
22nd January 2009, 03:57 PM
in the G1 cartoon you could say that, as he never has any substantial air time
How can you say that Roller? Prowl has one the best lines in all of G1.
roller
22nd January 2009, 06:07 PM
which is?
Kuzzy, prowl once hilariously offered himself as a seat to Optimus prime to sit on:)
GoktimusPrime
22nd January 2009, 08:47 PM
kuzzy: Click here (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Prowl_(G1)).
autobreadticon
22nd January 2009, 09:51 PM
Has Nemesis Prime been seen with a trailer in any tf universe?
Sky Shadow
22nd January 2009, 10:02 PM
How can you say that Roller? Prowl has one the best lines in all of G1.
IRONHIDE: Hey, Prowl! You notice how often Prime has to drain the lizard nowadays?
PROWL: Yeah! He must be French, cuz he's-a-peein'! Ha ha ha!
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/robot-chicken-junk-in-the-trunk/1224995279
Two minutes twenty. Immature adult themes.
(No, I have no idea which line Bartrim was talking about :).)
GoktimusPrime
23rd January 2009, 12:45 PM
Has Nemesis Prime been seen with a trailer in any tf universe?
No. The closest would be Car Robot Black Convoy (RiD Scourge) who has a trailer/base (repaint of G2 Laser Optimus Prime) - although the character was never named "Nemesis Prime" it's effectively the same character concept (i.e.: evil Prime clone). In fact, it was the first. A lot fans (including myself) felt that the name "Scourge" didn't suit the character since it wasn't representative of the character of being a Prime yet evil. So Hasbro later came up with the name "Nemesis Prime" which they used on later "evil" black repaints of Prime (and one repaint of Big Convoy).
swoop
23rd January 2009, 12:51 PM
Didn't nemesis prime have a trailer in armarda?
GoktimusPrime
23rd January 2009, 12:58 PM
No. It was a repaint of the carded Super-Con Armada Optimus Prime toy, not the Super Base one - no trailer.
link (http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/NemesisPrime/nemesisprime.htm)
The toy also came with the Mini-Con Run-Over (http://www.tfu.info/2003/Mini-Con/Run-Over/run-over.htm), a repaint of Over-Run (http://www.tfu.info/2002/Mini-Con/Over-Run/over-run.htm). ;)
canofwhoopass_87
23rd January 2009, 01:13 PM
Would UM kick Megatrons ass 1v1?
swoop
23rd January 2009, 03:41 PM
True the toy didn't come with a trailer but in the cartoon he had one
No. It was a repaint of the carded Super-Con Armada Optimus Prime toy, not the Super Base one - no trailer.
link (http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/NemesisPrime/nemesisprime.htm)
The toy also came with the Mini-Con Run-Over (http://www.tfu.info/2003/Mini-Con/Run-Over/run-over.htm), a repaint of Over-Run (http://www.tfu.info/2002/Mini-Con/Over-Run/over-run.htm). ;)
autobreadticon
23rd January 2009, 04:41 PM
The whole Nemesis Prime thing is so annouying , why can't they just repaint Prime to Ultra magnus like the good ole days.?..
swoop
23rd January 2009, 05:14 PM
Because everyone bitched about them repainting optimus into ultra magnus
Tetsuwan Convoy
23rd January 2009, 06:38 PM
The whole Nemesis Prime thing is so annouying , why can't they just repaint Prime to Ultra magnus like the good ole days.?..
Because everyone bitched about them repainting optimus into ultra magnus
But they still do repaint Prime into Magnus!:p
I have a question. In the Marvel comic of days gone by, was there ever a screenshot drawn of the game that housed Optimus Prime's memory?
Please excuse my rubbishier than normal typing, I just got a new laptop and its keyboard is greatly different to the japanese one I was using before.....:(
Paulbot
23rd January 2009, 07:59 PM
Would UM kick Megatrons ass 1v1?
UK Comics Ultra Magnus? I reckon so, he and Prime handed it to him when they fought him together (although Megatron was disorientated by the recent attempted hijack of his body by Straxus).
But they still do repaint Prime into Magnus!:p
I have a question. In the Marvel comic of days gone by, was there ever a screenshot drawn of the game that housed Optimus Prime's memory
US #24 features the game Prime was playing in. US #40 showed us Optimus 'living' as a computer character but not really in a game as such (he was surfing the primitive Internet though in bizarre 80s representation of such - Tron has much to answer for!).
swoop
25th January 2009, 07:44 AM
Just wondering if blazing lockdown had been released here yet?
Tetsuwan Convoy
25th January 2009, 07:22 PM
Off hand I would say no. We should see him with Blurr. I still catch Sentinel Prime, Swoop and friends, but then WA is yonks behind those in the east
autobreadticon
31st January 2009, 11:49 PM
How much would you guys pay for a MISB Takara Collection Soundwave & Hound? just curious but include the item price and realistic shipping price, thanks
GoktimusPrime
1st February 2009, 07:36 AM
Do you mean Transformers collection Soundwave (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/g1/tfc/tf10.html) and Hound (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/g1/tfc/tf14.html)? I would try to pay as close to the regular RRP as possible. Soundwave was 5229JPY(91AUD) and Hound was 3150JPY(55AUD). It might be cheaper to get an Encore Soundwave (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-03.html) which sold for 4725JPY(83AUD) and as a more recent reissue the aftermarket price shouldn't be as dear as for a TFC Soundwave.
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*AUD conversions according to XE.com. It would've been cheaper to get these figures when they came out and the AUD wasn't as weak as it is now, especially Encore Soundwave who came out while the AUD was very strong.
Gutsman Heavy
1st February 2009, 11:45 AM
I sold my spare MISB TFC Hound for about $55 seams kinda mean to charge more than that
canofwhoopass_87
1st February 2009, 02:38 PM
Hey I was wondering how much a complete mint in box G1 Micromaster Countdown generally goes for?
Robzy
1st February 2009, 03:05 PM
Awesome, Robzy. Do you have a scanner (and if so could you please scan it for me whenever you get the time?) Or if not, could I please borrow the comic to do so? I'd really like it if we could update the Machine Men section of this website http://counter-x.net/index.php with correct information and resources for the Australian franchise.PM sent
STL
2nd February 2009, 09:45 PM
Hey I was wondering how much a complete mint in box G1 Micromaster Countdown generally goes for?
No idea. Loose complete ones w/ paperwork were about $70USD awhile back, probably 2 years now tho
GoktimusPrime
2nd February 2009, 10:00 PM
According to ToyFare's Price Guide Countdown is worth US$58 and US$20 loose mint. Make of that what you will. :p
blackie
2nd February 2009, 10:12 PM
According to ToyFare's Price Guide Countdown is worth US$58 and US$20 loose mint. Make of that what you will. :p
i swear my dog could give me a more accurate price than the toyfare price guide can.... :P
canofwhoopass_87
2nd February 2009, 10:23 PM
No idea. Loose complete ones w/ paperwork were about $70USD awhile back, probably 2 years now tho
Really? I've got no background on g1 micromasters at all, but if anyone is interested I can link to an auction for a $95AUD boxed complete countdown :D
STL
2nd February 2009, 10:26 PM
Really? I've got no background on g1 micromasters at all, but if anyone is interested I can link to an auction for a $95AUD boxed complete countdown :D
Darn tooting send it my way!
SilverDragon
3rd February 2009, 07:34 PM
I get the feeling that my post in the NSW Sightings thread offhandly wondering the plural of Ultra Magnus resulted in today's random fact. :p
GoktimusPrime
3rd February 2009, 08:18 PM
Not really - I've often wondered it myself... so I looked it up. :) Now we know and knowing's half the battle! :D
liegeprime
3rd February 2009, 10:46 PM
Not really - I've often wondered it myself... so I looked it up. :) Now we know and knowing's half the battle! :D
COOOOOBRRAAAAAAA!!! erm , oh wrong faction, meh :o:p
Paulbot
5th February 2009, 04:27 PM
In the thread about the Philosophy book a few people mentioned that the comic came first not the cartoon, and I've seen similar comments on other threads too.
I'm not doubting that the comic book was on US comic shelves were before the cartoon aired, but both have different lead times. The first issue of the comic and the first episode of the cartoon might have been written at the same time. Comics take a shorter time to produce than cartoons.
Now I do recall that the first Transformers comic came out later than intended so maybe it was written first, but do we really know that for a fact?
(Maybe some of the picture books or colouring books with their mix of toy-accurate and cartoon-accurate art, use of Spike or Buster (or Butch!) and sliped in pre-release names (Spinout) actually came first?!)
Sky Shadow
5th February 2009, 05:15 PM
Now I do recall that the first Transformers comic came out later than intended so maybe it was written first, but do we really know that for a fact?
Since the Transformers' personalities and backstory were created in-house at Marvel, it seems probable that Jim Shooter, Dennis O'Neil, Bob Budiansky, Bill Mantlo and Ralph Macchio would have been working on the concept of the comic from the get-go. It seems unlikely that they would have created the characters and plotted the basic Transformers story, sat around on their arses while people created cartoons, picture books and colouring books and then started work on the comics. But even in the unlikely situation that they had, we know the staff at Marvel comics were working on Transformers before the cartoon - isn't that the important thing?
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5830/marvelagetf1fo3.jpg
Marvel Age, March/April 1984.
Paulbot
5th February 2009, 07:34 PM
The Marvel Age articles help date the creation of the comic, but Marvel Age existed to promote Marvel. No doubting that Marvel led the way in creating the Transformers universe but since they were involved in the cartoon too, maybe both were planned/written at the same time?
It's also interesting that the full text of the article (http://www.electric-escape.net/node/590) does not mention the cartoon at all (showing the Marvel comics bias) however the plot description could fit both the comic limited series and the cartoon pilot (and most other origin stories from 1984).
The comic might just have come out earlier because it didn't take as long to make.
(oh and I'm not trying to discredit the comic at all, it is my favourite g1 canon afterall, I just think of both the cartoon and comic as both being created at the same time, neither as an adaptation of the other)
GoktimusPrime
5th February 2009, 10:37 PM
Remember that the cartoon was made by Marvel Productions in conjunction with Sunbow Productions. So it's still all Marvel anyway. :)
Tommy K
6th February 2009, 11:14 AM
yhis question is a bit weird or even stupid, but why are some transformers heads so inproportion to their bodies?
the reason why i ask this is because ive had sook at the comicbooks and i noticed that optimal optimus's head is so out of proptortion to the rest of his body, and then there are characters like lugnut whom dont even have a neck!
TheDirtyDigger
6th February 2009, 11:35 AM
yhis question is a bit weird or even stupid, but why are some transformers heads so inproportion to their bodies?
the reason why i ask this is because ive had sook at the comicbooks and i noticed that optimal optimus's head is so out of proptortion to the rest of his body, and then there are characters like lugnut whom dont even have a neck!
They're not human.
griffin
6th February 2009, 01:57 PM
I think if Transformers existed in reality, they wouldn't be biped in appearance. They only exist in our 'reality' because the toys were designed to resemble human proportions. I think an example of the odd shapes we would see in real TFs, would be characters that were not originally toys and could look a little more creative - like Deceptitran, RacknRuin, War Within Ravage, Quintessons, etc. Having toy characters show up with odd proportions shouldn't attract a question of 'why doesn't it look humanoid/biped', but all the others should attract the question, 'why do they look humanoid for an alien race'? It's like in Star Trek, every alien race was mostly humanoid (to save money on effects), and was eventually explained that there was an underlying universal DNA throughout the galaxy that caused it.
Star Wars was kinda stuck with the same problem until they had a bigger effects budget with the more recent movies and CGI series.
But for marketting purposes, the familiarity of form helps sell toys and gain viewers, so that there isn't as much confusion distracting them from being interested and involved in the story itself (and become fans/collectors).
Sky Shadow
6th February 2009, 02:22 PM
But for marketting purposes, the familiarity of form helps sell toys and gain viewers, so that there isn't as much confusion distracting them from being interested and involved in the story itself (and become fans/collectors).
People want Transformers that have at least one mode that's recognisable as something familiar and most fans prefer at least two. If Transformers really looked like aliens we might get toys like these:
http://www.tfu.info/1999/Yeerks/UltraVisser3/robotmode.jpg
http://www.tfu.info/1999/Yeerks/UltraVisser3/beastmode2.jpg
http://www.tfu.info/1999/Yeerks/UltraVisser3/beastmode.jpg
http://www.tfu.info/1999/Yeerks/Visser3/robotmode.jpg
http://www.tfu.info/1999/Yeerks/Visser3/beastmode.jpg
http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BeastChanger/robotmode.jpg
http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BeastChanger/beastmode.jpg
And nobody really wants that now, do they? :)
kup
6th February 2009, 02:40 PM
TFU doesn't let you hot link. Its best if you give us the pic URLs as most of us can't see the pics unless we have them already in our cache.
Sky Shadow
6th February 2009, 03:15 PM
TFU doesn't let you hot link. Its best if you give us the pic URLs as most of us can't see the pics unless we have them already in our cache.
Done. :)
Fungal Infection
7th February 2009, 01:06 PM
Does anyone know whether there are any major differences between G2 Megatron (large green tank) and the Japanese BW Megastorm version? Things like decals, sound effects, accessories etc... ?
GoktimusPrime
7th February 2009, 02:18 PM
+ Mould: identical except for copyright stampage. G2 Megatron is made in Indonesia whereas Megastorm is made in the Republic of China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China) (Taiwan).
+ Stickers: The sticker on the mid-barrel which reads "Eat This Autobots!" on the right and "Big Stick" on the left reads "Big Stick" on the right and "Peace Through Tyranny" on the left. The bicep stickers which has the G2 Decepticon insignia and "81766" on Megatron instead has the Predacon insignia and the word "Destron." All other stickers on Megatron are absent on Megastorm. The "M" sticker on Megatron's solar plexes with the sticker indent has been replaced with a Predacon rub sign. Megastorm has a green sticker covering the battery compartment.
+ Sound: Megastorm has no sound gimmick.
+ Colours: Megastorm's green is nearly the same as Megatron's, but not quite as bright - more of a "grass green." The camouflage pattern ('spots') on Megatron are purple but on Megastorm they are brown. The tank wheels and caterpillar treads on Megatron are dark green but on Megastorm they're a grayish black. Megatron's "eyebrows" are coloured black but the rest of the face is purple. The upper part of Megastorm's face is coloured black - with the tip of the nose and lower part of the face being purple.
+ Accessories: same. Megastorm's missiles and gun are a more grayish shade of black like his wheels/treads whereas Megatron's are straight black.
autobreadticon
8th February 2009, 04:18 PM
answers for this topic is so frustrating to find :mad:
What are the main differences between Takara's 'Micron legends' toys and Hasbro 'Unicron series' (Armada - Cybertron) - (i couldn't find a reference online)
Of interest
#do the Hasbro Street action mini-con team come with indidivual tech spec cards?
#Does the takara Street action mini-con version come with tech spec cards , are there any paint app. changes?
#What toys came with human companion figures ?!!!?
#For toys that combine into a character (e.g Superlink Superion Maximus , does the new character get an individual tech spec?)
i tried finding these answers :( so thanks for helping me
Omega Supreme
8th February 2009, 04:36 PM
#What toys came with human companion figures ?!!!?
#For toys that combine into a character (e.g Superlink Superion Maximus , does the new character get an individual tech spec?)
i tried finding these answers :( so thanks for helping me
I can help alittle with this 1
#For toys that combine into a character (e.g Superlink Superion Maximus , does the new character get an individual tech spec?)
For G1 they do, ie stunticons/Menasor gets a tech spec of his own.
GoktimusPrime
8th February 2009, 04:56 PM
Differences vary between toys - a lot of them are cosmetic paint differences, but some figures are the same. Depends on which toy you're talking about. The early Armada toys suffered from lazy paint apps on the faction symbols, something which Micron Legend never had.
#do the Hasbro Street action mini-con team come with indidivual tech spec cards?
Hasbro's Armada toys don't have tech spec cards. Their tech specs are printed on the back of the package and they come with stickers.
#Does the takara Street action mini-con version come with tech spec cards , are there any paint app. changes?
They come with a tech specs card - one card for the team. The regular version doesn't have any cosmetic changes afaik but there are some limited exclusive repaints such as the CD exclusive animé colour version (http://ooebihara.sakura.ne.jp/toys/TF/micron/mm/mm0103.jpg) (has show-like colours) and X-Dimension version (http://ooebihara.sakura.ne.jp/ganngu/0311/111320.jpg).
#What toys came with human companion figures ?!!!?
There were no human figures in Armada/Micron Legend, only in Energon/Super Link.
The standard version of Takara's Kicker (http://snakas.web.infoseek.co.jp/energon/sc14.htm) was sold individually and there's a chrome anniversary edition (http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/AnnivKicker/kicker.htm) that was sold with Anniversary SL Grand Convoy (http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/AnnivGrandConvoy/grandconvoy.htm) (also chromed).
Hasbro's Kicker (http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/Kicker/kicker.htm) (which is vastly inferior to Takara's IMO) came with Highwire (http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/HighWire/highwire.htm).
#For toys that combine into a character (e.g Superlink Superion Maximus , does the new character get an individual tech spec?)
There's one tech specs for the actual gestalt robot, not for the individual members.
#For toys that combine into a character (e.g Superlink Superion Maximus , does the new character get an individual tech spec?)
For G1 they do, ie stunticons/Menasor gets a tech spec of his own.
I thought the question was about Super Link rather than G1. *shrug*
roller
8th February 2009, 07:55 PM
Is there such a thing as French exclusive G1/G2 constructions? with unique paint apps or something?? or did i just dream about it, along with amy winehouse:D
jacksplatt11
8th February 2009, 07:57 PM
...did i just dream about it, along with amy winehouse:D
So, you had a nightmare?
dirge
8th February 2009, 08:59 PM
Is there such a thing as French exclusive G1/G2 constructions?
Yes. There are similar to the "European" Constructicons (that you love so much), although the grey elements were yellow and they _can_ combine :)
autobreadticon
8th February 2009, 09:11 PM
Thanks for the help
GoktimusPrime
8th February 2009, 09:38 PM
No worries. :)
Is there such a thing as French exclusive G1/G2 constructions?
Yes. There are similar to the "European" Constructicons (that you love so much), although the grey elements were yellow and they _can_ combine :)
Ouh-lala! Vive les Constructicons française! http://fla.fg-a.com/franceE_3.gif
liegeprime
8th February 2009, 09:58 PM
So, you had a nightmare?
Erm not to roller , he has "different" taste in wo... erm things...
roller
8th February 2009, 10:46 PM
Yes. There are similar to the "European" Constructicons (that you love so much), although the grey elements were yellow and they _can_ combine :)
ta
any links to picturegrams?
GoktimusPrime
10th February 2009, 05:47 PM
any links to picturegrams?
Here (http://www.geocities.com/futuristgroup/vjap6.html).
Fungal Infection: I've posted comparison photos of G2 Megatron and Megastorm here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=81558#post81558) :)
roller
10th February 2009, 07:27 PM
thanks
anyone own a set?
are they impossible to come by in Australia?
GoktimusPrime
10th February 2009, 08:01 PM
Considering that they weren't sold here I'd say that they'd be pretty hard to find. You'd have better luck looking for the 1985 G1 Constructicons methinks.
Fungal Infection
10th February 2009, 08:13 PM
Here (http://www.geocities.com/futuristgroup/vjap6.html).
Fungal Infection: I've posted comparison photos of G2 Megatron and Megastorm here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=81558#post81558) :)
Ta. :)
roller
10th February 2009, 09:54 PM
Considering that they weren't sold here I'd say that they'd be pretty hard to find. You'd have better luck looking for the 1985 G1 Constructicons methinks.
dinger!!! this will be a near impossible task!
i want them because there a variant, i dont usually collect variants, but these ones a special eh?!
now i gotta think up a story as to why they were french exclusives
"The Constructicons go to Paris" itd make a good comic:)
GoktimusPrime
10th February 2009, 10:06 PM
i want them because there a variant, i dont usually collect variants, but these ones a special eh?!
I don't think they're particularly valuable since most collectors wouldn't give a flying Rattrap's exhaust about them. Same reason why even the 1992 Constructicons still sell for pretty cheap even though they're relatively rare... there just isn't a demand for it. Heck, even Bumblejumper's not that expensive considering its rarity.
If you're genuinely interested in getting the French Constructicons for their own merit, and you're prepared to scour the corners of the Earth in search of these things, then go for it... but if you're thinking about buying them thinking that they're "special" (i.e.: valuable) then I don't think it's worth all that time and effort.
roller
10th February 2009, 11:07 PM
If you're genuinely interested in getting the French Constructicons for their own merit, and you're prepared to scour the corners of the Earth in search of these things, then go for it... but if you're thinking about buying them thinking that they're "special" (i.e.: valuable) then I don't think it's worth all that time and effort.
but, but but...
there different to any others, paint apps and stuff
i guess its personal preference :)
blackie
11th February 2009, 08:29 PM
yo, when am i getting the reprint of stormbringer?
STL
11th February 2009, 10:22 PM
yo, when am i getting the reprint of stormbringer?
Well Carol, given the movie is around the corner, I'd suspect in the next few months.
blackie
11th February 2009, 10:23 PM
i thought it was supposed to be this month tho... and escalation too?
roller
12th February 2009, 08:09 AM
ive already seen the sTormbringer tradepaperback in WA its $40 from what i remember
roller
13th February 2009, 10:50 AM
How did people know back in early internet times, that some toys were not released in either the US or Australie?
Eg: Turbomasters, non combining constructicons
Did they see a pic of someones collection one day and say "wahhhh!! what toy is that???? By reagans beard ive never seen that one on sale!"
Before the internet was wide spread, did people know at all which toys had not been released in their countries?
GoktimusPrime
13th February 2009, 11:03 AM
I don't think we did really. We would only know that we and nobody else we knew could find it. Like Shockwave and the Deluxe Insecticons - I never found them and nobody I knew had them. But they appeared in catalogues so I assumed that they were around, just that nobody I knew could find them. As a kid I only got Transformers at shops or shopping centres that my mum would go to - it's not until you're old enough to take public transport on your own or drive that you can cast a much wider net when toy hunting.
And I had no knowledge of Japanese Transformers until about 1992 when I was exposed to Masterforce... dubbed - and while I always knew that the dubs where horrific, I didn't know that they'd actually majorly screwed up translations, so I actually though that Ginrai was Optimus Prime and that the Trainbots were the Dinobots. Whoever made the StarTV dubs needs to savaged in the janglies by a pack of vornskrs (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vornskr).
Sky Shadow
13th February 2009, 12:00 PM
How did people know back in early internet times, that some toys were not released in either the US or Australie?
Eg: Turbomasters, non combining constructicons
Did they see a pic of someones collection one day and say "wahhhh!! what toy is that???? By reagans beard ive never seen that one on sale!"
Before the internet was wide spread, did people know at all which toys had not been released in their countries?
I knew which US toys weren't released in Australia - as long as you were a big fan who wasn't stupid or a liar, it wasn't too hard to realise that nobody had ever seen Shockwave, Sky Lynx or the Deluxe Insecticons on shelves (even though they were in catalogues. People who were stupid or liars thought 'Shackwave' was Shockwave and came in real Transformers packaging and said they had cartoon Skyfire or Unicron toys at home. I hated those kids, because other dumb kids really believed them.) I would personally have thought there were a few more Transformers we didn't get. Did anyone here seriously see Fortress Maximus on Australian shelves? Likewise, I know that in the UK, fans knew they didn't get Swoop, Shockwave etc. - they were even told so in the UK comic.
I didn't know at the time (when I was buying toys like Action Masters Tracks, Bombshell, Windmill, Thundercracker, Double Punch, Take-Off, Talon etc.) that those toys *weren't* released in the US. The internet and toy magazines told me so years later.
I know I knew there were Japanese only toys and I knew about Star Saber... I can't remember how I knew that though... Maybe from people I knew who went to Japan on holidays? I know I knew in the eighties that Japan had a different Astrotrain, because I saw a Japanese catalogue.
P.S. Roller - I don't think I have any G2 (or even G1) toys you're looking for. :(
Paulbot
13th February 2009, 11:18 PM
Did anyone here seriously see Fortress Maximus on Australian shelves?
I have two memories of seeing Fortress Maximus in store. The first is a bit vague (from the first time I saw the 87 range in store) but the second is much stronger. Both times were in indepedent toy stores, one in Victoria and one in Queensland.
But now I have a question: Has anyone bought the new edition of Toyfare (#140) with the ROTF cover and coverage? I was wondering if there's a lot of TF content in it or if it's just a couple of pages? The previous Toyfare TF movie toy edition was quite broad and devoted a lot of pages to TF toys.
STL
14th February 2009, 09:32 AM
But now I have a question: Has anyone bought the new edition of Toyfare (#140) with the ROTF cover and coverage? I was wondering if there's a lot of TF content in it or if it's just a couple of pages? The previous Toyfare TF movie toy edition was quite broad and devoted a lot of pages to TF toys.
I don't think u should waste $$$ on it Paulbot. Anything you can get in it you can get online ;)
GoktimusPrime
14th February 2009, 09:35 AM
I've cancelled my ToyFare subscription after 11 years... there's nothing in there that you can't find on the internet and they don't really do toy reviews anymore - everything's just spotlighting new toys. And their jokes aren't that funny anymore either. :(
roller
14th February 2009, 09:14 PM
Combat hero optimus prime was not released in Australia?
griffin
15th February 2009, 01:50 AM
Nope. We missed both Combat Heroes, which was a shame, because CH Optimus was in the Gen2 comic (at the end), and at the time I was mostly only collecting the Gen2 toys that were in the comic.
Not having a purple tank megatron wasn't a great loss though... :p
roller
15th February 2009, 07:27 AM
them the loose one i bought must be super duper rare?:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
i got it for $5 no weapons or accessories:)
GoktimusPrime
15th February 2009, 05:21 PM
Japanese imports of Combat Megatron were easy to find here for some reason.
SilverDragon
15th February 2009, 07:01 PM
I got bored and started watching the first episode of Beast Wars Neo.
Now I've stuck Big Convoy and Magmatron on my wish list. The former because he's a woolly mammoth and more heavily armed than Brawl, and the latter because he's got three beast modes all of which are prehistoric reptiles. And I love prehistoric beast modes.
While I'm not going to go on eBay or something and buy them right now, I'm curious about how much I'd have to pay for each of them. I suspect Magmatron would be cheaper, given that he was re-released (with no changes, despite being labeled as a Maximal!) as part of the Beast Machines line, so I'd go for that.
blackie
15th February 2009, 09:57 PM
can someone give me the dimentions for the TFC hotrod box?
i bought one MIB and the guy wants me to pay 41US to ship it here.... so i wana ask him why and prove he is being dodgy
roller
15th February 2009, 10:01 PM
. I suspect Magmatron would be cheaper, given that he was re-released (with no changes, despite being labeled as a Maximal!) as part of the Beast Machines line, so I'd go for that.
i paid about $80 for mine from a fellow collector, a japanese version-the sword is sharper and not neutred for silly choke me children, its a super fun toy, the Seasaur module is the best in my opinion.
His appearance in the IDW comics also upped the appeal to me to fork out such a large some for this figure, plus i dont think he was released here.
Woolly mamoth prime, the toy doesn't excite me, but i might buy it soon cause of the IDW comics
GoktimusPrime
16th February 2009, 09:54 AM
SilverDragon: The Beast Wars Neo toyline is nice. They're all really nice moulds and feature a diverse range of beast modes with some unique choices. Mach Kick and Archadys were also based on fan designs! The TV show is mostly quite bland - but it does get interesting toward the end when the Blentrons appear. But it's kind of a snooze-fest up to that point. :p
fatbot
16th February 2009, 04:02 PM
I got bored and started watching the first episode of Beast Wars Neo.
Now I've stuck Big Convoy and Magmatron on my wish list. The former because he's a woolly mammoth and more heavily armed than Brawl, and the latter because he's got three beast modes all of which are prehistoric reptiles. And I love prehistoric beast modes.
While I'm not going to go on eBay or something and buy them right now, I'm curious about how much I'd have to pay for each of them. I suspect Magmatron would be cheaper, given that he was re-released (with no changes, despite being labeled as a Maximal!) as part of the Beast Machines line, so I'd go for that.
magmatron
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MIB-D-05-Beast-Wars-Neo-Magmatron_W0QQitemZ110349826845QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN?hash=i tem110349826845&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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