Australian internet blacklist leaked

[SGB]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/03/19/1237054961100.html

This is the very blacklist the Australian government wants to use for their mandatory internet censorship plan.

What an embarassing day this is for ACMA, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, and the government.

[Hereticpoo]

The fact that Australians have let there politicians pass the laws that back this proposal disgusts me. The issue is not the blacklisted sites, the issue is PRIVACY.

To run a scheme this big every single ip address will have to pass a government gateway on the way to whatever site you are visiting. To block a site you have to block the pc requesting the site.

All government departments keep archives of everything.
Every single thing you do on the internet will be logged and recorded in a data base. Every email, every facebook message, every time you log onto the bank, everything you watch on you tube, every download you make....it'll all be there for some government employee to run a 'check' on.

I think these choke points will also slow down online gaming. Not cool when a fraction of a second means you get fragged! :)

[SGB]

The fact that Australians have let there politicians pass the laws that back this proposal disgusts me.
No laws or legislation for mandatory censorship has been passed yet, let alone tabled to parliament.

[Hereticpoo]

No laws or legislation for mandatory censorship has been passed yet, let alone tabled to parliament.

Thanks heavens for that!

[fatbot]

What a Load of crap! I know dentists are evil, and that queenslanders are a bit strange, but surely by both evil and strange isn't enough to get you blacklisted?

When will this bulls**t stop? Can't people take responsibity for their own actions? I can understand the government blacklisting any child porn sites, or any sites that advocate illegal behaviour, but i'll go back to my first example a Queensland dentist. What the hell? Why doesn't Ol' Kev want us to see this particular dentist? What the dentist do Kevvie?

[SGB]

Conroy's claiming the leaked list is not the ACMA list.

http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/014

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Leaked-list-not-ACMA-blacklist-Conroy/0,130061791,339295547,00.htm


I'm calling BS on it given Conroy's lies in the past.

[jaydisc]

I like the fact that the first entry (the newest entry) in the leaked list is the wikileaks URL posting of the LAST list. God bless 'em. :D

[MV75]

I like the fact that the first entry (the newest entry) in the leaked list is the wikileaks URL posting of the LAST list. God bless 'em. :D

Now THAT is the very reason why this thing should die. That's a very large abuse of power of the list right there.

[jaydisc]

Could be unrelated, but Wikileaks.org is completely unreachable now, even from non-AU addresses.

[MV75]

Too much traffic to it I think. ;) We inadvertantly ddos'ed it.

[Sam]

Does anyone know if we are the only Western nation to have this kind of censorship?

[SGB]

Yup, wikileaks is getting lots of traffic.

Electronic Frontiers Australia (http://www.efa.org.au) (EFA) was also down earlier today thanks to the traffic caused by news of the blacklist leak.

[jaydisc]

Is the EFA affiliated with, or just inspired by the EFF?

Answered my own question:


Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) is also completely independent from the USA’s Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). EFA is not (and never has been) a subsidiary or affiliate of the USA EFF, although the two separate organisations share a number of goals. EFA is focused on issues directly affecting Australians, whereas EFF has an American focus. EFF’s role in the establishment of EFA was solely that of an advisory ally. We continue to liaise with EFF, and many other online civil liberties organisations around the world, on issues of mutual interest and potential benefit. EFA is a founding member of the Global Internet Liberty Campaign (GILC).

[Golden Phoenix]

The fact that there is a list in the first place is a complete load.
If it happens, then the government has to shut up about China doing it:mad:

[Paulbot]

It will be bad news for us if we can't access the TFWiki because of Laser Cock (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Laser_Cock).

[SGB]

It will be bad news for us if we can't access the TFWiki because of Laser Cock (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Laser_Cock).
*Goes and submits that page to ACMA for potential banning*

Nah, just kiddin'. :p

[Tabias Prime]

so its still safe to look at porn without the police knocking on my front door...:rolleyes::rolleyes: note:this is dripping with sarcasm ....

really! people should be able to make there own decisions about what they look at on the internet without the government looking over there shoulder. the government should be looking at how to stop the download of child porn and similar types of stuff and all the spam I keep getting about how i need to enlarge my penis and the daily bombardment of Viagra i now need for my enlarged penis.:eek::eek:

If people want to stop porn being accessed by there 13 year sons, there are filters and setting you can use built into your browser and in google its self.

[SGB]

Lateline had a piece tonight about the blacklist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9YmikNAVEA

[kurdt_the_goat]

so its still safe to look at porn without the police knocking on my front door...:rolleyes::rolleyes: note:this is dripping with sarcasm ....

I took a look at the list earlier today, and there wasn't anything on there that'll be dampening my habits! Actually, it gave me a few sites to check out in the meantime! :eek:

The list does have me concerned though.. seriously! I mean, there were a good 2500 sites on there.. reportedly the final list will have closer to 10000? I'm no expert, but i think that's almost every site on the internet! :rolleyes:

[SGB]

reportedly the final list will have closer to 10000? I'm no expert, but i think that's almost every site on the internet! :rolleyes:
Conroy has stated he wants to expand the blacklist to 10,000.

[i_amtrunks]

There seriously cannot be 10,000 pages committed to crazy sectarian/cults, creation of weapons and such and people doing things to other people and animals that probably should not be done.

if the 2500 contained multiple harmless sites, then how many harmless sites will be restricted when the list is blown out to 10,000?

[Hereticpoo]

I nominate quote of the day, found at news.com regarding the Australian Government internet filter;

" Wow.... who shook up a big can of stupid and spilled it all over Australia?
Posted by: Axiomatic of Houston, TX 7:53am today "


:D :D

[SGB]

Wikileaks to release full March 18 Australian "ACMA" secret censorship list in 4-8 hours (http://twitter.com/wikileaks/statuses/1358943252)

Oh boy, it's going to be an interesting night methinks.


EDIT:

Wikileaks to Conroy: Go after our source and we will go after you (https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikileaks_to_Conroy:_Go_after_our_source_and_we_wi ll_go_after_you)

Wikileaks threatens Conroy with criminal prosecution (http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23959/1023/)

[jaydisc]

The list has already been out. I saw it yesterday.

EDIT: Actually, the list I saw is dated August 6 2008, but the two most recent entries are dated march 18th.

[SGB]

The list has already been out. I saw it yesterday.
The one that was leaked was the August 2008 version of the blacklist.

The one wikileaks will be posting tonight will be the March 18, 2009 version of the blacklist.

[jaydisc]

Right you are. cheers.

[Sky Shadow]

What's most ridiculous and ironic about this is that now anyone who wants easy access to teen porn, incest and dentist sites can use this convenient list - which they wouldn't have had before the government compiled it. :rolleyes:

[SGB]

A bit of advice to everyone here: do NOT publish/post any links that contains real or fake ACMA blacklists.

Acording to Conroy and the government, publishing/posting links to the ACMA blacklist (fake or otherwise) is considered distribution of child pornography, so publishing/posting links to the blacklist is illegal and is punishable by fines and/or jail time.

[SGB]

ACMA March 18 blacklist is now leaked. A March 11 2009 list has also been leaked.

[SGB]

GetUp campaign against net censorship (http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/getup-campaign-against-net-censorship-20090321-94ug.html)

[SGB]

Now the government wants to do Chinese-style monitoring of blogs:

Labor's blog-watch plan hits Whirlpool of dissent (http://www.theage.com.au/national/labors-blogwatch-plan-hits-whirlpool-of-dissent-20090321-951z.html)

F***in' disgraceful. :mad:

[Burn]

Well i'm happy knowing that the taxes I pay are going towards paying someone to sit on their arse all day to read and no doubt persecute someone for saying Keving Rudd is a poopoo head.

Wankers.

[Sam]

I can't believe this. My family came to Australia from Hong Kong because this was a place of freedom - we couldn't trust the Chinese government to keep the freedoms that Hong Kong residents had when it was still under British rule. Very disappointed in the direction this government is heading...

[Paulbot]

Media monitoring is not Chinese-style censoring of blogs.

[SGB]

iiNet pulls out of net censorship trials (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/03/23/1237656833566.html)

[Burn]

iiNet pulls out of net censorship trials (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/03/23/1237656833566.html)

Easy money says it won't make a damn difference to the Government's plans. :(

[Golden Phoenix]

Easy money says it won't make a damn difference to the Government's plans. :(

Not if they all do it

[SGB]

Police raid Wikileaks.de domain owner Theodor Reppe's home over 'censorship lists' (http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25240192-5014239,00.html)


EDIT:

Govt undeterred by blacklist leaks (http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/296839/govt_undeterred_by_blacklist_leaks) (Conroy basically confirms latest leak is real; he also shoots himself in the foot again)

"Ditch compulsory Net filter - it's a botch", said SAGE-AU (http://www.crn.com.au/News/99560,ditch-compulsory-net-filter--its-a-botch-said-sageau.aspx)

URL blacklist 'creep' possible: Conroy (http://www.techworld.com.au/article/296842/url_blacklist_creep_possible_conroy)

[SGB]

Anyone catch Conroy on last night's Q&A on the ABC?

If you missed it, you can download it from here:

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s2521164.htm

I thought the panellists were rather poor. Also, more questions -- tougher and on-the-spot ones, should have been asked.

And oh yeah, expect Conroy to start blaming the Russian mob for anything that goes wrong. :p


Btw, Conroy's Q&A notes was leaked!

http://twitpic.com/2ghle

:p


EDIT: Someone who was in the Q&A audience last night posted his/her experience about being there:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1169695&p=31#r613

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1169695&p=32#r630

[SGB]

Before, Conroy was saying the filter will stop child porn, now he's saying it won't.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25262960-5014239,00.html

He's been doing a lot of serious backflipping and excuse-making in the last couple of weeks now that he and ACMA have been found out and suffered one embarassment after another.

Conroy just keeps getting himself deeper and deeper. He can never keep his stories straight; he keeps getting caught out every day, yet is keen to make a fool of himself.


Conroy will be on tomorrow night's episode of "Insight" on SBS at 7:30pm. The episode's being filmed tonight, so I hope to have some idea later this evening as to how things went.

Others who will be on the show include Mark Newton (the Internode employee who Conroy tried to silence), an Australian Christian Lobby rep (the ACL support the filter, the uneducated idiots), Bernadette McMenamin (she supports the filter too, and has straight out said opponents of the filter support child pornography!), a retired Victorian police officer, Tom Wood (the guy who bypassed the NetAlert filter), an 8 year old kid, a couple who love porn, and Colin Jacobs of Electronic Frontiers Australia (who are against the filter).

Wonder what Conroy's gonna spew next. He'll probably start blaming other mobs for the problems with ACMA's blacklist, like he blamed the Russian mob during Q&A last week.

[SGB]

Anyone watch "Insight" tonight?

There was a brief moment where Conroy had a dumbfounded look on his face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWx4qaMeoo0) when Mark Newton mentioned VPNs.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

I missed it..... Luckily it repeated on Friday at 1.30. Will have to remember to watch that then.