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STL
13th April 2009, 10:25 PM
Apologies in the delay between instalments of the Soapboxes, this one was done a fair while ago but between being prepared to upload images and whatnot I decided to give in eventually and just post it without the pictures. Then I started and said what the heck, so that brings us to today. Anyways, let's hope all enjoy my first poll-Soapbox.

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The Soapbox XI: Cityformers

Any fan who returns to the TF fold again almost always immediately turns their mind to the massive robots that dominated their childhood TV screens. Their sheer scale and size made them immensely memorable. Whether it was Trypticon or Metroplex or Omega Supreme, you’d be hard pressed to find a kid who didn’t want a Cityformer. Cityformers are a rare breed and there are very few real ones. There are those that incorporate headquarters into their trailers but the ones who turn into actual cities/bases are few. It’s the aim of this Soapbox to assess the major Cityformers and see how they stack up against each other.

The list I’ll be working from is Fortress Maximus, Omega Supreme, Metroplex, Overlord, Scorponok and Trypticon. A very vintage list but it’s not like we’ve seen many Cityformers since G1.

Omega Supreme


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Nostalgically Omega Supreme rates right up there. Of all of the giants, he had the most air time and focus. Through the first 3 seasons, he was the one massive giant that was the Autobot’s pillar of strength. His unique instructional manner of speaking kept him distinct in our minds. Combine that with the rocket base alt mode and unique blaster and claw, Omega stood out not just because he was a massive robot but because of his other features too.

How did this stack up as a toy?

Poorly. The G1 toy is one heck of a partsformer. In all honesty, he’s a mess. Without clips to hold him together, he’s an utterly frustrating toy. His transformation is hardly intuitive at all. Calling it a “transformation” is far too generous. In terms of scale, he’s not that great either b/c once you get him, you have to suspend your notion of reality and imagine that large toys can somehow fit in the other – either by removing them from sight or by simply ignoring the others.

Omega isn’t that big a toy either. Once you have Shockwave or even a Seeker, you really struggle with the scale of the figure. He’s still bigger but he’s certainly not what you imagined. As such, Omega only ever holds up as a toy b/c of the inherent nostalgia that accompanies him.

Metroplex


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Where Omega was not a real city, Metroplex made up for it. He was the first real Transformer & playset rolled into one. In the cartoon, his air time was quite severely limited and rarely did he have an opportunity to shine. And even when he did, it was more the token end of the episode saviour role. Metroplex seemed a constant victim too with him losing his eyes or transformation cog. Very rarely did he seem imposing and a threat to the Decepticons as he should’ve been.

In hindsight, one must concede that it makes sense that he was a victim b/c the Decepticons would make it their objective to limit his strategic value to the Autobots. That said, it doesn’t help from a nostalgic point of view when compared to the dominance of Omega Supreme who was never Mr. Victim.

Metroplex was a very good toy. His transformation holds up well even today with its twists and turns. He’s better than a lot of figures that have been sold in the Supreme size class in the last five years. His playability is great and he can accommodate not only Mini-bots but combiner teams as well. If you dig deeper you’ll find “gestalt” formations that that he can form with the Aerialbots or Protectobots. Add to that, he’s accompanied by two robots, Six Gun and Scamper. Add Slammer and this is one heckuva playset. Add his third carrier mode and you have one of the great Cityformers.

Trypticon


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Trypticon was the large hulking dinosaur that was the answer to Metroplex. Inevitably, his simplified manner of speaking made him akin to the Dinobots. Unfortunately the fact that he transformed into a base was hardly ever a point accentuated in the cartoon and until you got your mitts onto the toy catalogue, you’d be forgiven for hardly remembering that fact too. That said, he was hardly forgettable. Trypticon was the only ever Decepticon Cityformer in G1. For that reason alone he was special.

The merits of the toy though are few. At heart he splits in half and, well, that’s it. Not exactly an inspiring transformation. He does hold up as a City though with all of the weapons he had and his ability to, like Metroplex, accommodate mini-bots and combiner teams. However, he didn’t have all the extras that Metroplex had. Full-Tilt and Brunt pale in comparison to the three extra vehicles/bots that Metroplex has. Furthermore, Brunt, the purple tank, is less than inspiring compared to Scamper who you can visualize as running around Metroplex’s city form. The other thing is that Trypticon suffers from what Scorponok does: symmetry. Basically, asymmetrical transformers work for most modes but not for cities. Cities are supposed to have a wide array of terrains and that’s what Metroplex has that Trypticon can’t match.

Overlord


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Nostalgically, he has nothing to offer. Before anyone starts, let’s look at this from a returned childhood fan. To the childhood fan, Transformers were G1 or Beast Wars. Hearing of the Japanese incarnations is foreign to you. You may or may not go on to invest time into these other versions but either way, it holds little nostalgic value b/c you never experienced. That’s not to say you won’t become interested in it, its just that until your re-initiation the name Overlord meant as much to you as “Mike Smith”.

Well, why then does he make this list? Because some of us did acquire him in our childhood but we didn’t have a context for him. So how does he stack up? Overlord isn’t much different from Omega Supreme; he’s a partsformer. He is better though b/c he is larger and requires far less clips to hold together. He has complete forms that are reasonably sturdy. Add the little Power Masters and you’ve got a neat little playset. He is the largest Decepticon of the Cityformers. Unfortunately, his base mode too suffers from the symmetrical problem that Scorponok and Trypticon have. It really is a central command hub surrounded by two loosely connected platforms. But his saving grace is still his scale. It’s amazing to have such a large toy and even though is his scale. And nothing has ever come close to comparing with that and being dubbed a Cityformer in the process.

Scorponok


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Ah, Scorponok. Apart from 3 episodes in the final season of G1, he means very little to most audiences. He was cool though. A gigantic Scorpion that morphed into a base and a robot. He was powerful and brutal and that made him memorable. He might’ve been at the tail end but unlike Trypticon who was a clutz, you actually felt Scorponok would be the first Cityformer who would actually pose a real threat.

That enjoyment though isn’t carried on through to his toy. Again the problem with symmetry unfortunately arises in City mode. It’s a peak at the centre and resembles more of a mountain than anything else. The Headmaster gimmick is unique to it though and is partially its saving grace. The other feature that you’ve got to like about it are the ports and little bays that it has. Without the consideration of scale it seems cool. But once you factor in the scale of toys in its time, it does not hold up well. The Scorponok mode though is great. It’s menacing and imposing. And there’s certainly a sense of scale when you compare it to many Autobot cars.

Fortress Maximus


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The grand daddy of Generation One Transformers. There is one indisputable fact. In G1, Fortress Maximus was not a character that you could warm to. A pacifist (“wimp”) at heart, his character was not compelling. He relied on the last 15 minutes of the last episode of G1 to show the full force of his power. It was cool but it was hardly memorable.

As a toy though, all fans alike will agree he is the Holy Grail. The largest Transformer ever produced, there’s that allure about being able to add him to your collection. Having a toy of that scale, a scale that has not been replicated since, is the goal of every collector. But that’s not all. He’s a very good Transformer. The way his legs twist and turn to form his City Mode is quite ingenious. It reduces space quite cleverly. The way his guns fold in and form the city tower is lovely. There’s plenty of weapons, hatches, ramps, storage areas, elevators and bunkers to keep one fascinated. That’s not even talking about his two headmasters and little city bots! His sheer scale adds to his playability. His largest failing is arguably the fact that he lies down in Battle Station mode. You thought War Within Megatron was bad? Try Fortress Maximus. Of course, given the time in which he was created, you can argue its forgiveable. And it is once you take a look at the Battle Station mode. It’s a fearsome beast that no horde would want to oppose.

Conclusions

What one looks for in a City Former is a fine balance between nostalgia and transformation. The only toy that ever really offered that was Metroplex. His transformation holds up, his playability is great, and nostalgically, there was a lot to love about Metroplex. That’s not to say that any of the other toys aren’t worthy in their own right. They are. Some have more nostalgic meaning than others and one most remember a very large part of acquiring G1 is nostalgia. But when one adopts a holistic approach, only Metroplex can tick all the boxes.

Paulbot
13th April 2009, 10:44 PM
Any fan who returns to the TF fold again almost always immediately turns their mind to the massive robots that dominated their childhood TV screens.

Wow the cartoon bias is strong in this one. :p

I'm sure some fans remember the comics they read as a kid equally as much as the cartoons they watched. But that said most of these characters were not depicted in the same massive size scale in the comic (except Metroplex).

I'm voting Omega because he was darn impressive in his debut comic appearance and in his cartoon appearances, and I was very impressed with the toy when I finally got it last year after 23 years of waiting.

STL
13th April 2009, 10:49 PM
Wow the cartoon bias is strong in this one. :p

I'm sure some fans remember the comics they read as a kid equally as much as the cartoons they watched. But that said most of these characters were not depicted in the same massive size scale in the comic (except Metroplex).


Hence, why I'm picking your brain on our other little project. ;)

But also, it was partially because I wanted to limit it down and not have a 7 pager b/c I'd eventually have to include a lot of the Japanese "cityformers" or robots who had city forms too like Star Convoy who I honestly didn't know enough about. :o

Oh and on that note, I also felt I had to vote Metroplex b/c I had to back up my own contention. My own personal gut feel though was to go with Omega too :o

dirge
13th April 2009, 10:59 PM
Some clarifications please...

1) Scorponok's comic appearance. While the _city_ element wasn't prominent, the character was very much highlighted in the G1 Marvel comic. I'm sure a lot of longer time fans will find Scorponok to be quite a nostalgia-heavy toy. Your thoughts on Scorponok, taking into account his significance in the comic?

2) Countdown. Sure the robot is tiny... but the rocket base is as much of a city as most of those mentioned above (and more of one that Omega Supreme in some ways). Your thoughts?

3) You seem to be critical of the asymmetry in Trypticon & Overlord. Why no mention of the asymmetry in Metroplex?

liegeprime
13th April 2009, 10:59 PM
Hmm Metroplex does fit being most playable but size wise, if your gonna diss Omega about it, well you should Metroplex even more, since he's supposed to be more massive, well he shouldve been at least twice the size of what he is now. Now that is a baseformer. Voting for Fort max, Awkward and really heavy as he is, his size is the proper one, and with all them parts and other extras for playability I'm sold on him.

GoktimusPrime
13th April 2009, 11:17 PM
I voted for Scorponok because he's my all time favourite G1 Decepticon. And for me, it's about the character.

A ruthless yet honourable commander who was loyal to the Decepticon cause, Scorponok was the first Decepticon leader who genuinely considered forging an alliance between Autobots and Decepticons. And the decision to ally the Decepticons with the Autobots was a difficult and unpopular one. When Optimus Prime surrendered to him, Scorponok was tempted to use it as an opportunity to allow the Decepticons to decisively win the war. But after some 'aggressive negotiation' from the Autobots, Scorponok decided to go ahead with the alliance.
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And at first one might think that it was an alliance of convenience, but Scorponok proved himself to be a true ally when an assassination attempt was made on Optimus Prime's life by Unicron worshipping acolytes on Cybertron - Scorponok could have easily walked away and left Prime to fend for himself, but he made the conscious decision to honour his allegiance and rescued Optimus Prime from the assassins. And the battle against Unicron proved to be Scorponok's finest hour, where he boldly attacked Unicron with his bare claws only to have Unicron reduce him to slag... and the scene where Optimus Prime is kneeling next to Scorponok, so that Scorponok would not die alone - and then to see him finally die in Prime's arms... to me that still remains the single most powerful emotional moment in all Transformers history and rivals the death of Optimus Prime in Transformers The Movie and Dinobot's death in "Code of Hero."
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P.S.: I like STL's pic of Trypticon fighting the Dinobots. Slag seems to be trying to burn Trypticon's janglies off! You _go_ Slag!! :D

loophole
13th April 2009, 11:36 PM
I voted for Trypticon mostly for nostalgic reasons, i always remember the episode where he was created from an actual City!! and the Decepticons just tore it to pieces just so that they could build Trypticon. It had a real sense of devastation, drama and "oh shit what are we gonna do now" feel about it from the Autobots that were watching this happening and couldnt do anything about it.

i_amtrunks
14th April 2009, 10:25 AM
Voted for Trypticon.

A cityformer that turns into a dinosaur? How could kids not want one?

Sky Shadow
14th April 2009, 10:37 AM
Nostalgically, he has nothing to offer. Before anyone starts, let’s look at this from a returned childhood fan. To the childhood fan, Transformers were G1 or Beast Wars. Hearing of the Japanese incarnations is foreign to you.

Obviously not if you were a child in Japan (or Malaysia or Singapore, etc.) And the Overlord toy was also released to us westerners in 1991 which - nostalgic-childhood-wise - pre-dates Beast Wars. And he had a funky tech-specs bio and back-of-the-box mythology to keep us excited, which was as much as most Transformers got.


Ah, Scorponok. Apart from 3 episodes in the final season of G1, he means very little to most audiences.

Even if people were blinkered by just watching the western cartoon and never watching, reading or playing with anything else ever, that's still not much less in the way of character appearances than Metroplex. And as Goktimus and Dirge said, Scorponok is one of the Decepticons with the richest comic and most nostalgic comics histories. Plus, Scorponok's death in TFUS #75 was the most tear-jerking moment in all of G1 other than Optimus Prime's death.


What one looks for in a City Former is a fine balance between nostalgia and transformation. The only toy that ever really offered that was Metroplex.

:confused:

I think any thesis that comes to the conclusion that Metroplex is better than Omega Supreme, Trypticon, Scorponok, Overlord and Fortress Maximus has an intrinsic flaw somewhere in its logic. I would rank Metroplex below all of those other toys and characters. He transforms from a robot to a non-representational pile of junk to a non-representational pile of junk with wheels. It is rare that any medium presents his base mode as anything that resembles his toy form. And as a character he has barely a dozen appearances ever.

Overall, STL, I found this an odd soapbox. I think it would have been more coherent if it were written in the first person as opinions, but a lot of it seems bizarrely illogical when stated as third-person facts.

GoktimusPrime
14th April 2009, 11:39 AM
Nostalgically, he has nothing to offer. Before anyone starts, let’s look at this from a returned childhood fan. To the childhood fan, Transformers were G1 or Beast Wars. Hearing of the Japanese incarnations is foreign to you.
Obviously not if you were a child in Japan (or Malaysia or Singapore, etc.)
True that. It's all rather relative depending on where you grew up. I once had a Japanese Transfan who, when he first saw my collection (and later dirge's), was drooling over toys like Mega Pretenders, Small Pretenders and Small Targetmasters - toys in the same way that many Western fans would get excited over Lio Kaiser or Dinoking as those toys were never released in Japan and very foreign and exotic for a Japanese fan... yet dirge and I had a good chuckle as these toys certainly aren't exotic for us! :)

Paulbot
14th April 2009, 02:10 PM
In the comic the only Transformer depicted in the same "cityformer" sense as the cartoon was Metroplex.

I don't recall either Fortress Maximus or Scorponok ever transforming into city mode. Fort Max's was shown in his Universe entry and he turned into battle station mode a few times (by the way it floats), but for all the comic book readers knew Scorponok only transformed into a scorpion.

Both were also only shown as tall Transformers. I know they rebuilt Fort Max to be bigger in his first main title appearance, but he was rarerly shown to be much bigger than roughly three times the average height in subsequent appearances.

Omega and Trypticon were also both shown as very big robots in their comic debuts but seem to shrink in subequent appearances (particularly Omega). Did Trypticon turn into city mode in "King of the Hill"? I only recall the battle station.

Metroplex however in his one and a page issue appearance was a giant robot (698 feet tall) but as Skyshadow mentioned his city mode was never toy-accurate and was instead shown to be Autobot City: Earth. (And that was actually more of a Pretender Shell).

Comparing characters like Scorponok and Metroplex from the comic point of view really doesn't make much sense.

So you need to approach this soapbox from STL's admitted cartoon biased perspective.

Althought that does kind of rule out Overlord too which means it's more a toy thing... which if I was just going by toys I would vote Fort Max.

SilverDragon
14th April 2009, 06:04 PM
I'm curious as to why you say that Trypticon was "the only ever Decepticon Cityformer in G1" before listing two more Decepticon Cityformers from the same era.

Also, for anyone wanting a larger version of the Dinobots vs Trypticon image, here it is. (http://espeng.deviantart.com/art/Trypticon-Vs-Dinobots-65761283)

kup
14th April 2009, 06:33 PM
I'm curious as to why you say that Trypticon was "the only ever Decepticon Cityformer in G1" before listing two more Decepticon Cityformers from the same era.

Also, for anyone wanting a larger version of the Dinobots vs Trypticon image, here it is. (http://espeng.deviantart.com/art/Trypticon-Vs-Dinobots-65761283)

The irony is that it seems that the pic is inspired by a memorable scene in the Marvel comics. I had a bit of a giggle on that due to the cartoon (1985-1986) 'inclinations' of this soap box regarding Cityformers. However Trypticon was indeed more prominent in the cartoon than the Comics, mentioning that just to be fair.

STL
14th April 2009, 06:46 PM
I'm curious as to why you say that Trypticon was "the only ever Decepticon Cityformer in G1" before listing two more Decepticon Cityformers from the same era.


I'd put it down to poor drafting. :o :o :o What I actualy meant was the Decepticon Cityformer who actually got much screen time.



Obviously not if you were a child in Japan (or Malaysia or Singapore, etc.) And the Overlord toy was also released to us westerners in 1991 which - nostalgic-childhood-wise - pre-dates Beast Wars. And he had a funky tech-specs bio and back-of-the-box mythology to keep us excited, which was as much as most Transformers got.

Even if people were blinkered by just watching the western cartoon and never watching, reading or playing with anything else ever, that's still not much less in the way of character appearances than Metroplex. And as Goktimus and Dirge said, Scorponok is one of the Decepticons with the richest comic and most nostalgic comics histories. Plus, Scorponok's death in TFUS #75 was the most tear-jerking moment in all of G1 other than Optimus Prime's death.


One of the things I really didn't define as part of the discussion was that this was a purely more Western based view of things. Henceforth, why the neglect for Japanese Cityformers and characters Overlord was included b/c I remembered him from my childhood though I never got him b/c of the catalogues that were incldued. It was not till when I returned to TF collecting over a decade later that I realised his sheer scale.

It might not be entirely true for everyone but I felt that most Australian fans who grew up here definitely did not have teh same exposure to the japanese stuff. It was more later on when you came back as an adult that that interest about different parts of the TF universe came to light.

With the comics, as mentioned below, I felt that they weren't as relevant given the parameters I'd set myself. Of course, it didn't help that I failed to communicate those parameters but once you start factoring in the comics it becomes very subjective as to certain people, the TFUS comics weren't that memorable and standout. It's the cartoon. Having read them, I barely even remember Scorponok's death. I remember about as much of it as I remembered the Ratbat car wash issue or the wrestling issue. To me, the comics aren't as pertinent as the cartoon as not every single TF fan has necessarily been exposed to them to the same level of the cartoon. Hence, why it wasn't included.

I can certainly sympathise with affection for the Marvel US/UK comics but in my own discussion, I felt I never had enough of an attachment to the fiction nor was it as widespread enough to include in my discussion.

But that said, I think it's absolutely great that yourself and others are bringing up canonical moments involving the "Cityformers" where I didn't b/c it definitely exposes the rest of us to what others view as powerful moments in TF comic history. I have no issues with this branching out into a discussion of Cityformers as a whole as one of my stated aims of the Soapbox is to start up more discussion on different facets of TFs.




:confused:

I think any thesis that comes to the conclusion that Metroplex is better than Omega Supreme, Trypticon, Scorponok, Overlord and Fortress Maximus has an intrinsic flaw somewhere in its logic. I would rank Metroplex below all of those other toys and characters. He transforms from a robot to a non-representational pile of junk to a non-representational pile of junk with wheels. It is rare that any medium presents his base mode as anything that resembles his toy form. And as a character he has barely a dozen appearances ever.

Well, I think we'll have to disagree there. I certainly didn't think he was a pile of junk and he imposed himself well in all his modes to me as well as as a character. My conclusion was on trying to balancing (cartoon-childhood) nostalgia with toy quality and I think certain toys didn't live up to it and I'm more than happy to read why other people like their choices

One of the more interesting issues I'd hope would come up in discussions was asymmetry vs. symeetry for Cityformers. I personalyl don't like symmetry but am keen to see what others think.



Overall, STL, I found this an odd soapbox. I think it would have been more coherent if it were written in the first person as opinions, but a lot of it seems bizarrely illogical when stated as third-person facts.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll definitely take it on board going forward.


Hmm Metroplex does fit being most playable but size wise, if your gonna diss Omega about it, well you should Metroplex even more, since he's supposed to be more massive,

:o My bad. :o It did definitely cross my mind in the planning process but I must've lost it in the write up process


Some clarifications please...

1) Scorponok's comic appearance. While the _city_ element wasn't prominent, the character was very much highlighted in the G1 Marvel comic. I'm sure a lot of longer time fans will find Scorponok to be quite a nostalgia-heavy toy. Your thoughts on Scorponok, taking into account his significance in the comic?


As per below, I left it out b/c the comic to me was never part of what I knew to much later and when I wrote this, I approached it more from a returned fan and cartoon bias.



2) Countdown. Sure the robot is tiny... but the rocket base is as much of a city as most of those mentioned above (and more of one that Omega Supreme in some ways). Your thoughts?


Another cartoon bias issue. :o



3) You seem to be critical of the asymmetry in Trypticon & Overlord. Why no mention of the asymmetry in Metroplex?

Definitely a good point there. I think I alluded to it in my comments to the diverse terrain that it captures but clearly its something I needed to push harder as I do think its one of Metroplex's definite strengths.


So you need to approach this soapbox from STL's admitted cartoon biased perspective.


That's definitely a large part of it and it was an oversight on my behalf to not define the parameters of the Soapbox. it definitely didn't take the comics into account all that much. Having read them much later after the cartoon, I factored it out and based in mroe on G1 cartoon bias.

Lord_Zed
14th April 2009, 08:04 PM
I wanted them all as a kid, but nowadays I wonder why, I couldn't even bring myself to buy Encore Omega Supreme.

Thusly Scorponok gets my vote as the only one who left a lasting impression, thanks to the comics, plus his third mode,as a Scorpion actualy looked like something. Fort Max would come in second as he also had a personality something rare in a city-former. :D

GoktimusPrime
14th April 2009, 11:41 PM
Both were also only shown as tall Transformers.
This is true. ;) Scorponok was shown to be the same size as other G1 leaders like Powermaster Optimus Prime and Shockwave - and Fortress Maximus was about the same size as Galvatron! Although scale wasn't consistent - Fort Max seemed huge when he fought off the Decepticon Pretender Beasts in the snow.

Trypticon was a big bugger in the comics. And not a very fuel efficient one either - he was recalled in mid-battle against the Dinobots because he had expended the mission's fuel budget! ;)
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The battle between Fortress Maximus and Galvatron in Canada is one of my all time favourite melee fights in G1... seeing Galvatron tearing Fort Max's circuitry out with his _bare teeth_... that's hardcore!

In terms of the cartoon, my favourite cityformer would have to be Fortress Maximus in The Headmasters. Yeah, he's full of cheese, but I like him! Comic Fort Max was the commander of the Autobot starship Steelhaven - but animé Fortress Maximus was the Autobots' battlecruiser! That's freakin' COOL! And the activation sequence for his main transformation was very typically over-dramatic, but again in a neat shounen-animé kind of way that you never get sick of... like Voltron's merge sequence! Each time I'd see Fortress reach for his sword in that console, I just get this buzz of excitement! Then the theme song plays and he holds aloft his magic sword and says, "By the power of GRAYSKULL!Transform Head On!" Video link on! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft2CCZ6WGd4)

I know that Fort Max and Scorponok were portrayed as giants in the US cartoon too - but we didn't get that same sense of scale and awe compared to the animé. Metroplex was especially gargantuan in Scramble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCVTa17A2Fw) City (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Pu43AdGng&feature=related)... too bad the animation is riddled with errors* and the story totally sucks ball bearings. :/

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Ode to a Grasshopper
15th April 2009, 03:56 PM
I went for Metroplex, though mostly due to childhood-cartoon-induced nostalgia.

optimus1
15th April 2009, 04:43 PM
I voted for Fortress Maximus who only just edged out Omega Supreme.

I always thought Omega represented the final stand for the Autobots in the G1 Cartoon and was always an imposing force, who instilled fear into many Decepticons (like Starscream!)

I like Fort Max in the comics and its a pity he wasnt in enough American G1 cartoon episodes.

As a toy though, Fort Max wins hands down due to sheer size, detail and imposing prescence.

d*r*j*
15th April 2009, 04:45 PM
Out of the bunch the one I like least is the one I actually own... Metroplex! He is such a stupid excuse for a toy and just highlights a sharp decline for the Transformers brand. I agree with previous posts that his base mode and his 'car' mode are pretty much lazy, badly thought out, nonsense.

I picked Omega Supreme as the best because I have a few fond memories of his character in the G1 series.

lcz128
19th April 2009, 07:53 PM
Having been born in '84, I missed Transformers as it was first released - I grew up on the Japanese series' (Headmasters through to Victory - Malaysian dub all the way - oh god)

That said, I never got me an Overlord toy - and am pretty sure he didn't really get much of a 'city' function in the cartoon at all... heh -

With Scorponok and FortMax, they got PLENTY of airtime in Headmasters - I only just recently watched Rebirth - so... those versions of Scorpy and FortMax really paled in comparison to the childhood memories of the Japanese series...

I still want me a proper Japanese release Fort Max with Mastersword and all... d;

GoktimusPrime
19th April 2009, 11:31 PM
Overlord destroyed the Autobots' base in city mode - although it was Ginrai himself who dealt the final blow. Overlord is the only toy I don't have out of the toys listed in this soapobox. :( Donations anyone? :p

liegeprime
20th April 2009, 08:04 AM
Having been born in '84, ........
I still want me a proper Japanese release Fort Max with Mastersword and all... d;

GOd Im old... and yeah I still want that sword as well, even a KO one would sate me.



I always thought Omega represented the final stand for the Autobots in the G1 Cartoon and was always an imposing force, who instilled fear into many Decepticons (like Starscream!)


One inconsistent thing about Omega in the cartoons though is that he's supposed to be Armoured like a mountain thick plating yet he gets blown up in the toons after taking a measly drone's laser blast. So much for last line of defense even a coward like screamer could prolly take him on and win.




Trypticon was a big bugger in the cartoon. And not a very fuel efficient one either - he was recalled in mid-battle against the Dinobots because he had expended the mission's fuel budget! ;)

You'd think with their advanced Tech they wouldve made him cost effective. ... meh.


The battle between Fortress Maximus and Galvatron in Canada is one of my all time favourite melee fights in G1... seeing Galvatron tearing Fort Max's circuitry out with his _bare teeth_... that's hardcore!

Nah he's just plain Crazy, wacko, looney, short a few bolts, WOHOOO, Boinkers


I wanted them all as a kid, but nowadays I wonder why, I couldn't even bring myself to buy Encore Omega Supreme.


Why so? ....

GoktimusPrime
20th April 2009, 09:00 AM
Trypticon was a big bugger in the cartoon. And not a very fuel efficient one either - he was recalled in mid-battle against the Dinobots because he had expended the mission's fuel budget!
You'd think with their advanced Tech they wouldve made him cost effective. ... meh.
Gah! I can't believe I said "cartoon" when I was talking about the comics - post corrected! :)

As for fuel efficiency - that came along later with the advent of Micromasters, which of course evolved to become the Maximal/Predacon upgrade 300 years after the end of the Autobot-Decepticon war. ;)

"Archaic Energon-guzzlers!" - Beast Wars Megatron (talking about G1 Transformers, "The Agenda Part 3")

Sky Shadow
20th April 2009, 09:40 AM
One inconsistent thing about Omega in the cartoons though is that he's supposed to be Armoured like a mountain thick plating yet he gets blown up in the toons after taking a measly drone's laser blast. So much for last line of defense even a coward like screamer could prolly take him on and win.

Well in the comics, Omega Supreme could be pretty much be defeated by a blast from Buzzsaw.

http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/fb/Buzzsawyikes4.jpg

And Screamer did actually kill him.

(Of course Starscream had been freebasing Underbase at the time.)

Paulbot
20th April 2009, 09:43 AM
If you ignore the distorted rules of perspective, that version of Buzzsaw is frickin' huge! :D

GoktimusPrime
20th April 2009, 10:37 AM
Mass shifting! :p

Sky Shadow
20th April 2009, 11:10 AM
If you ignore the distorted rules of perspective, that version of Buzzsaw is frickin' huge! :D

Yes - you're right - he's gigantic and it's like some kind of Escher image or optical illusion isn't it? Maybe Buzzsaw had been nibbling some Underbase on the side. :)