Star Trek Movie - Possible Spoilers

[1AZRAEL1]

Without giving anything away, it is amazing.
I dont want to reveal anything until others have seen it, I need to dsicuss it :p

I want to hear your opinions once you have seen it.

God I love getting Black Curtain tickets.

Oh and I reckon TF2 will have same tickets, if anyone is interested, I can give details on how to get them.

[TheDirtyDigger]

This looks great. I'm not even a fan but I'm looking more forward to this than I was to Wolverine.

[1AZRAEL1]

Good thing is, you dont have to be a fan to like it.
I reckon most of the people who got tickets to it last night just went because it was free.
But even they enjoyed it.

[swoop]

I'm off to see this on saturday, hopefully it'll live up to the hype. So these tickets how did you come by them?

[1AZRAEL1]

Its a Myspace thing, nothing extra special.
Gotta be friends with Black Curtain Australia.
RSVP for the event by smsing a code word to the number they give you.

This was the third such a movie for me, saw Dark Knight and Watchmen like this.
T4 may be the next one.

[Vector Sigma 13]

Im looking forward to this also, might drive to Mildura (1hr 20min away) to see it, wont get it locally for a month or two which sucks in a massive way.

There are some great movies coming out this year!

[TheDirtyDigger]

Just heard this is going IMAX (at least in Melbourne).

Think it might be well worth going the super screen for it.

[1AZRAEL1]

It would be great just for the space battle scenes.
I most likley will see it at IMAX as well.

[Firecracker]

I'm seeing this in IMAX tomorrow. My first IMAX experience too.

[roller]

anyone in WA wanna come see it in the city or Garden city tommorow night?

[The_Damned]

seen it last night and thought it was pretty good, liked the heroes dude that played spock.

[Wheel-J]

Oooh, wicked Sylar. Gotta watch this film!

[Paulbot]

I went to see it in IMAX here in the US last night, but it was sold out, so instead I saw it in a regular cinema... but it was fantastic. Most enjoyable movie I've seen all year. It was just amazing and full of geeky Trek fans stuff. Still not sure a non-Trek audience is going to live it as much, but I want to go see it again today. (Star Trek is third on my geek fandom hierachy).

Oh and it did have a different TF trailer before it to the one that was before Wolverine.

Spoiler for Star Trek:
There's a scene in the climax where Kirk is on the ground being choked and it looks like the end for him and it cuts away to what Spock's up to... and I laughed thinking it would be so perfect to came back to "First your father, than Pike and now you, it's a pity you humans die so easily or I might have a sense of satiscation now" :D

[FFN]

I love this film. As I've told Roberto Orci (one of the writers), as much as I am a Transformers fan, I am an even more passionate Star Trek fan, though I tend to keep that to myself. I have never felt so satisfied to have my faith rewarded in a film.

A scene at the start of the movie I think is beautiful.


And AHAHAHAHA it proves Orci and Alex Kurtzman CAN write, despite what all critics of the 2007 Transformers movie say! :D It's currently holding onto 96% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes with 218 reviews in total (209 positive, 9 negative, IIRC). Apparently it's the best-reviewed wide-release film of 2009 so far, and frankly, I don't think any other wide release film this year has a chance of toppling it in terms of critical acclaim.

[loophole]

okay i just say this movie tonight and im a bit of a trekkie myself and grew up with the original series which i think is the best Star Trek ever, and yes i thought it was awesome but they did change previous Star Trek history which i didnt like too much but oh well i will just have to get over it.

I would have to disagree with you Paulbot i think the general audience will enjoy it more than the Trekkies the geeks will just pick it to death where as the normal cinema goer like the non Star Trek fans that i saw it with will just watch it for what it is and not what it should be like and the freinds that i saw it with thought it was awesome too.

There were a couple of things that just bugged me like Pikes' age he was too old the Enterprises exterior appearence was changed just a little bit too much oh and the whole Spock and Uhuru thing that was just WRONG! and Chekov shouldnt of even been there either!

But it was still a great movie too watch, and the guy who played McCoy did a top notch job absolutely spot on.

[Lord_Zed]

okay i just say this movie tonight and im a bit of a trekkie myself and grew up with the original series which i think is the best Star Trek ever, and yes i thought it was awesome but they did change previous Star Trek history which i didnt like too much but oh well i will just have to get over it.

I would have to disagree with you Paulbot i think the general audience will enjoy it more than the Trekkies the geeks will just pick it to death where as the normal cinema goer like the non Star Trek fans that i saw it with will just watch it for what it is and not what it should be like and the freinds that i saw it with thought it was awesome too.

There were a couple of things that just bugged me like Pikes' age he was too old the Enterprises exterior appearence was changed just a little bit too much oh and the whole Spock and Uhuru thing that was just WRONG! and Chekov shouldnt of even been there either!

But it was still a great movie too watch, and the guy who played McCoy did a top notch job absolutely spot on.

Well I saw it yesterday, some background on me and Star Trek. I guess I'm a Trek fan, although I never really got into the Original Series as it was already looking old when I was growing up, only started watching Trek late in Next Gens run. So I really can't nit pick to much when it comes to TOS.

Having said that I enjoyed it, and thought it was full of awesome fan tidbits and Trek cliches. I almost burst out laughing when that gung ho redshirt showed up. And I thought all the crew were portrayed pretty well. As for all the ways this Trek differs from established canon, well the way I see it most of them can be atributed to the old Buterfly Effect caused by the event in the first scene. Afterall who knows what ripples this could have had on the universe as a whole. the only thing it doesn't explain is Pike's age. Although maybe he got stressed out from losing his friend from the Kelvin and aged prematurely.

Anyways if thats not enough you could also blame Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Archer, or any Federation timeship for screwing with time. That's what happens when you screw with time you get these alterante timelines. :D

Nero's ship was pretty sinister looking and tough for a mining ship. Although I guess it was from a time 60 years after the last previous Trek movie. It looked almost Borg like in a few scenes, although that would make perfect sense seeing as how ships in that time would probably have the best tech of most of the known races in the Star Trek universe.

In any case I thought it was good, and as an origins movie I thought it sure kicked Wolverine's butt.

EDIT: It just occured to me in retropsect the coincedences required to bring all the old crew together on the Enterprise to save the day are as ilogical and improbable as Anakin building C3-PO. Still it doesn't hamper my enjoyment of the film. I just assume the universe just tries to right itself when these time thingies happen, either that or overzalous temporal guardians made it so. :p

I wonder what Nero's ship did for 25 years?

[STL]

This just pissed all over Star Wars.

I'm a massive sci-fi fan but have never really known much about Star Trek so I'm a definite outsider but this movie was awesome. I think the characters were compelling and the plot was wonderfully constructed with a high degree of elegance. The way it weaved what I could infer were re-write of continuity issues so smoothly into the plot and yet maintain the forward momentum kept the movie running at full steam ahead.

One of my questions: Are Uhuru and Spock meant to be together or is it Kirk and Uhuru b/c my original impression was it would be Kirk/Uhuru given the way they met up and the way the plot was going until all of a sudden Uhuru starts tonguiing Spock. It was probably the one thing that bothered me b/c it seemed to happen out of nowhere.

Anyhows, its going to be very hard to top this movie this year. I loved every moment of it. The fight scenes weren't the greatest but they didn't need to be. It was about how compelling each of the characters were, the plot and the universe that was being built.

I reckon I'll probably see it again. I wasn't a fan by any stretch of the imaginaton before the movie but I am now. Strongly contemplating watching some episodes and reading some comics but I got to find me some time!

EDIT:

And any Melbourne fans who haven't seen it and plan to go, let me know! I want to see it a few more times!

[Paulbot]

There were a couple of things that just bugged me like Pikes' age he was too old the Enterprises exterior appearence was changed just a little bit too much oh and the whole Spock and Uhuru thing that was just WRONG! and Chekov shouldnt of even been there either!

I got bugged when Uhuru ordered a Cardassian drink. Partly because Cardassia and that sector (Bajor, Feringinar) were in the fringes of the Federation 80 years later. Partly because at that time Cardassian's would already have invaded Bajor I believe, so if the Federation did know about them and didn't liberate Bajor for another 80 years... no wonder the Bajorans are always so pd off. ;)

As for Spock/Uhuru, I have an essay from the 70s or 80s in a book at home that details all the moments in the original series where Spock and Uhuru shared 'moments'. It makes a very compelling case and supports this movie's idea they were once together at the Academy, although perhaps not after that in the original timeline.


EDIT: It just occured to me in retropsect the coincedences required to bring all the old crew together on the Enterprise to save the day are as ilogical and improbable as Anakin building C3-PO. Still it doesn't hamper my enjoyment of the film. I just assume the universe just tries to right itself when these time thingies happen, either that or overzalous temporal guardians made it so. :p

The coincidences is what bothered me from the trailer and the idea of the movie, but watching the actual movie it didn't bother me and made some sense.

[Lint]

This movie be awesome, go see it now!

[i_amtrunks]

Saw it Saturday night.

Damn it was good, why couldn't Orci and Kurtzman have written Transformers to be that good (I have a feeling Bay doesn't like "smartly written films", he cannot understand them :p).

None of the people I went with know anything about Star Trek (I only know a few names of characters) and we all enjoyed it thoroughly, even though I'm sure about 100 references and nods to older series and movies went right over our heads.

Computer generated images were much better than the first TF movie, they didnt cover all the cgi up with four layers of motion blur, but they did overuse the solar flare effect (just like in TF).

This will be the film of the winter*, I cannot see TF2 or GI Joe being as enjoyable and easily accessable as Trek.

*UP! is not in consideration, as it is not being released locally until the September school Holidays.

[Lint]

Saw it Saturday night.

Damn it was good, why couldn't Orci and Kurtzman have written Transformers to be that good (I have a feeling Bay doesn't like "smartly written films", he cannot understand them :p).



Orci and Kurtzman were reportedly actual Trek fans. Therefore more love and familiarity = a better movie. Oh and J.J Abrams actually knows how to work with characters. :rolleyes:

In contrast with transformers however, orci and kurtzman involvement with the franchise was basically 'yeh we watched the cartoons as a kid, wouldn't a movie be cool?'.

Basically I feel that not enough love, respect and understanding went into the transformers film (on a leadership level).

[Lord_Zed]

Originally Posted by Paulbot
I got bugged when Uhuru ordered a Cardassian drink. Partly because Cardassia and that sector (Bajor, Feringinar) were in the fringes of the Federation 80 years later. Partly because at that time Cardassian's would already have invaded Bajor I believe, so if the Federation did know about them and didn't liberate Bajor for another 80 years... no wonder the Bajorans are always so pd off.


Maybe they knew about Cardassians but had no diplomatic relations, like the Klingons In Enterprise. Perhaps its to far out of Federation space to do anything about I thought it was cool to refrance a race synonymous with later Trek series.

But thinking back about that movie 2 days later now and I have to say, yeah it was just plain fun all the way through.

[FFN]

Star Trek is a much more venerable, much more respectable fiction that demands kid-gloves careful treatment even though this is the single-biggest shakeup in the history of the franchise.

Orci and Kurtzman were essentially tasked with the same goal for both = revive both franchises for the big business and make it accessible to everybody else, not just the fans. They succeeded. Transformers was hugely successful and had good word-of-mouth according to market research. Star Trek possibly has less wide appeal due to the stigma of it being Star Trek, but it has extremely positive reviews overall, what is expected to be very good word of mouth, and the opening weekend so far suggests it will do very well.

But yes, JJ Abrams is a better director and a much more pleasant person than Michael Bay.

[TheDirtyDigger]

Great movie! Highly recommended! :):cool:

http://www.thevine.com.au/resources/IMGDETAIL/031208085915_New-star-trek-movie-455.jpg

[roller]

Saw it the other day


HEY!!!!!!!!


Read my review in full or die in Spain!

I eventually roped someone into seeing it with me, my friend had seen it before but was happy to see it again.

The trailers before this film are great, TRANSFORMERS 2!!!! Terminator 4 Time for War and something else that was good but i cant remember

Okay, because im not like the rest of you, ie: I dont like spoilers unlike you, i don't look up the plot and story on the internet prior to seeing the actual film.

I first got into Star Trek when channel 7 showed the Animated series

after i saw First Contact i was hooked

Star trek 11 breaks the old rule that every odd numbered Star trek film is crap (Spaced)

Definitely better then Star trek 10 Nemesis, man that was a piece of crap!!!
Not written for hardcore trekker of common man off the street, not even marketed toward testosterone charged teens, it was so bad!!!

The good thing about Star Trek 11 is that it caters to most people with a functioning brain. And its in continuity with the other films... you have to see it to understand.

The Romulan ship looked like crap, just like the Romulan ship from Nemesis

Simon Pegg did a pretty convincing scotch accent
New spock is great

The references to other series etc was good, not too many and not too nerdy. Woooo 'Enterprise' got a mention, take that Lord zed!!!:p DS9s not too hot now is it:D

New Kirk is okay, because of the pace of the filum, i didnt feel as though teen kirk received alot of screen time.

Doctor McCoy, was great! I didn't think the actor looked like a typical male from the Confederate states of America, the voice sounded a bit fake.

finally, a reason to fantasice about Uhura :p:D:D:D:D

Kinda Spoilers ahead....but then again you all like spoilers!!!



Lord Zed is correct, thats how they know about the Cardassians

Also, Spock is now trapped in the alternate universe, i declare that this universe be called the "Sexy Teenagers Cadet appeal to general public" universe or as Kup called it last year "Star trek 91210" :D

i shall see it a second time, its that good!

[roller]

Im so glad it wasn't written or had anything to do with the idiots Brannon and Braga

they are the 2 responsible for having good ideas but crap execution.

Eg: DS9 , Voyager and Enterprise seasons 1-2


Read this, these guys are full of themselves and their disregard for continuity

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/9772.html

And that woman who writes the original series novels, cant remember her name but you can tell that she is someone who thinks its still the 1960s and computers have giant magnetic reels on them still. honestly, her stories are so woeful and bizarre, almost every book she writes involves a giant organic spaceship or aliens who make the protagonists question their sexuality.

the new movie is so good i immediately bought some toys after the film, the playmates company has the Star trek brand again. They churned out an impressive number of action figures in the 90s and early 21st century.

unfortunately the new movie toys are not in scale with the old playmates figures.

The figure bases double as badges!!!!

Hooray!!! Pike is in the film, he rocks!!!

If anyone has any Star trek toys and wanna give them away or sell them, call Roller NOW! :)

[Tober]

Star trek 11 breaks the old rule that every odd numbered Star trek film is crap (Spaced)

Simon Pegg did a pretty convincing scotch accent


He had to hold that one in. :D

[lcz128]

SO, watched it at last :D

I enjoyed it from start to end, and as a relative noob to the whole Star Trek thing, I had to ask the mate of mine that I went to watch it 'did they mess up continuity'? And pretty much got told that they screwed it up from the very start of the film. Har har XD

So, like I said, I enjoyed it - but I think as a comic reader that may be slightly jaded at the concept, ALTERNATE REALITIES... they just... feel so ... fanwritten or something :\
Feels like something out of some crisis or other and I guess LISTENING to characters onscreen discuss the complexities of alternate realities (not that complex, really) had me cringing a bit and wanting to roll my eyes... waaaay too much exposure to that kind of thing in years before I suppose :\

Didn't stop the enjoyment though - Kirk did however - only seem to have one expression: "I've just been beaten up - OW"

XD

[TheDirtyDigger]

If anyone has any Star trek toys and wanna give them away or sell them, call Roller NOW! :)

Not toys as such but I have these beautiful fob watches in leather casing I may be interested in selling...

1st one.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4062/fob1.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fob1.jpg)

Open.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6596/fob3.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fob3.jpg)

2 one.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5192/fob2.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fob2.jpg)

Open.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1060/fob4.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fob4.jpg)

Size comparison with Bombshell.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2844/sizem.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sizem.jpg)


Of course they are expensive.

[roller]

well i charge by the hour

we can use the watches to check the time :D

[TheDirtyDigger]

I love using them to check the time. 19th century retro.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yKAxZm9Y_wg/SUuQZ8qMusI/AAAAAAAACVQ/493OUvBym2A/s400/BBC-Doctor-Who-The-Next-Doctor-Xmas-Special-Wk-51-Dec08-33.jpg

[Lord_Zed]

Star trek 11 breaks the old rule that every odd numbered Star trek film is crap (Spaced)

Definitely better then Star trek 10 Nemesis, man that was a piece of crap!!!
Not written for hardcore trekker of common man off the street, not even marketed toward testosterone charged teens, it was so bad!!!


Well being better than Nemesis is pretty easy, it broke the odd even rule first.



The references to other series etc was good, not too many and not too nerdy. Woooo 'Enterprise' got a mention, take that Lord zed!!!:p DS9s not too hot now is it:D


Its only fitting they mention Enterprise the series that killed Star trek (not like that awesome and still watchable DS9) if it wasn't for Enterprise JJ Abrams wouldn't have to come fix the franchise up. :D


Lord Zed is correct, thats how they know about the Cardassians

Exactly, come to think of it though weren't they the primary villains in that DS9 show? :p


Doctor McCoy, was great! I didn't think the actor looked like a typical male from the Confederate states of America, the voice sounded a bit fake.


I thought he did a good job for someone from Middle Earth.

[FFN]

Im so glad it wasn't written or had anything to do with the idiots Brannon and Braga

they are the 2 responsible for having good ideas but crap execution.

Eg: DS9 , Voyager and Enterprise seasons 1-2 Berman & Michael Piller created DS9, but they generally had very little to do with it otherwise. Ronald D. Moore, Ira Steven Behr and René Echevarria were mainly responsible for the series.

Brannon Braga had nothing to do with DS9.

[kup]

If anyone has any Star trek toys and wanna give them away or sell them, call Roller NOW! :)

*cough*Star Trek for Sale (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=32415#post32415)*cough*

[Paulbot]

I suppose that just because a drink is called "Cardassian" doesn't mean that it's actually a Cardassian drink... it could just be an exotic-sounding name to the Federation of some far off alien race they know little about.

One thing I like the more I think about it is Spock Prime's presence. Seeing the Spock we know recognising Kirk and Scott (for example) helps sell the audience that despite the new actors they are the same characters (just in a parallel timeline).

You could blame Enterprise's Temporal Cold War for a lot of the convienent coincidences that helped bring the NCC-1701 Enterprise crew togther earlier.

I wonder if Spock Prime is still going to stay bound to the Temporal Prime Directive since he's hanging around in this parallel timeline? He's already broken it giving Kirk and Spock information about their future, and giving Scott a forumla Scott shouldn't invent for many years to come. Spock Prime knows that the Doomsday Machine is coming, the Botany Bay, and V'Ger, and the Borg, and even that Supernova that will destroy Romulas centuries from then and could save a lot of lives with just a few briefings to Starfleet.

[i_amtrunks]

I wonder if Spock Prime is still going to stay bound to the Temporal Prime Directive since he's hanging around in this parallel timeline? He's already broken it giving Kirk and Spock information about their future, and giving Scott a forumla Scott shouldn't invent for many years to come. Spock Prime knows that the Doomsday Machine is coming, the Botany Bay, and V'Ger, and the Borg, and even that Supernova that will destroy Romulas centuries from then and could save a lot of lives with just a few briefings to Starfleet.

He could do all that, and just be ignored by the Starfleet higher-ups, and set up retakes on all those events in movies to come! :p

[Paulbot]

He could do all that, and just be ignored by the Starfleet higher-ups, and set up retakes on all those events in movies to come! :p

Which leads to the question: Will new Star Trek movies be new stories or new takes on old stories? I'd prefer them to retell old stories in the novel and/or comic series and stick to new plots in the movies.

[roller]

since its a different universe maybe they dont happen at all

or happen

but are sexier!

[GoktimusPrime]

Saw this film last night and even as a Star Wars fan I totally loved it! :D I think it's very much a geek's movie... my wife who's non-geeky didn't think much of it (ha! Revenge for dragging me along to watch "The Uninvited"! :p) - although she did think that the young Spock was nice eye-candy. ;)

I brought Universe Galvatron along with me to watch it, just as a Transformers-Star Trek reference, but then I was surprised to see Nimoy there! Har!

As for comparing this with Transformers, I agree that this was better done, but having said that remember that:

+ Star Trek is a franchise that was always written for adults and had previously been done as TV series and movies in the past, whereas Transformers is an adaptation of a franchise where the original sources were originally written for young children.

+ Star Trek is a single continuity; this movie has branched off from said continuity. It's a parallel reality/timeline from the same continuity family. The Transformers movie is a whole new continuity based on G1 sources; and it needed to be a new continuity in order to be accessible to a general audience. Previous theatrical Transformers movies were in-canon with existing continuity and, in the case of TFTM, suffered as a result at the box office where the movie failed to engage non TF fan audiences. The Beast Wars movie is pretty much like that too.

+ Star Trek canon is much deeper and richer than the G1 cartoon. Having said that, it seems that the TF sequel is drawing more from the Transformers comics lore (e.g.: The Fallen), so that has the potential to give the writers greater depth to work with (whether they'll actually do this well or not is yet to be seen).

+ Star Trek is completely controlled by Paramount whereas Transformers was done under supervision from Hasbro. And while Hasbro did give Paramount a lot of creative freedom, they did call some shots in certain areas.

[i_amtrunks]

although she did think that the young Spock was nice eye-candy. ;)

but thats Sylar! He'll cut your head open to steal your powers! :eek:

[kup]

Here is the review that I wrote in the Don Murphy board:

I went in with low expectations given Hollywood's recent track record with remakes but open for the film to show me its worth on its own merits and negatives.

I am pleased to say that overall I really enjoyed it, it is certainly the best Trek film since at least the end of the TOS movies as it had thrilling action, mostly likable characters and very little cringy moments. Overall it was a fine piece of cinema.

Although I knew bits and pieces of the plot beforehand mostly from what I could piece together from the previews, I did expect a lot of continuity clunkyness since the movie had announced itself as a reinvention of Star Trek TOS but at the same time they insisted that it was within the 30+ year old continuity which both seemed contradictive. The truth is that they are both right and (as far as I know) in an unheard before form, they indeed managed to do both a complete continuity reboot triggered by a canonical event which is the new 'alternate' timeline which this movie takes place in.

Although Time travel is frankly a very tired 'plot fixer' in Star Trek (Voyager and Enterprise), it was elegantly done here as there was clearly a conscious effort to make the time travel event a considerable part of the plot rather than just a gimmick. Yeah I know that the time travel is just a device to reboot the franchise while at the same time maintaining canon but unlike recent uses of it in the franchise, it meld in pretty well with the overall plot and in that context, it didn't seem forced nor gimmicky. The big highlight and connecting point of all this 'continuity flux' was Leanard Nimoy reprising his role of Spock which was last seen in Star Trek: The Next Generation where he remained on Romulus leading an underground 'reunification' movement between Romulans and Vulcans. Before watching the movie, I suspected that Nimoy's role would be little more than 'Hi and Bye' cameo but he did indeed have a critical and considerable role in the overall plot which was a very pleasing and welcomed surprise.

Now of the 'new' characters:

Due to the time travel effect ('Butterfly effect' as Lord_Zed called it based on that movie) we do have some considerable differences in the reimaginings of these new STO characters. As mentioned, the time travel bit was clever and it does serve to rationalize what would otherwise be continuity inconsistencies as well as 'tweaking' the character personalities to something which is considered more mainstream.

Kirk - This character is a hard one to re imagine with a new actor as originally, the performance was fueled by Shatner's own personality. However in this version, he is made to be much more of a 'rebel teen' but the reason for this is rationalized as due to the changes made by the creation of this alternate timeline from Nero's intrusion, this Kirk grew up without a father and since the original Kirk already had a 'controlled rebellious' streak, this Kirk lacked this control arguably due to lack of a good paternal influence. Overall he was a well done and decent Kirk even though he is considerably different in many ways to the original but there is a good reason for it.

Spock - This Spock is pretty spot on to the original and is the more 'character consistent' of the re imaginings when compared to the originals. Spock is indeed logical in his arrogant form but clearly with less emotional control. However this 'more emotional' spock is canon as he did show emotion in the original pilot 'The Cage' so Spock of this time period is expected to be less controlled in that manner. He displayed a lot more emotion with Uhura but this seems a direct result of the destruction of Vulcan so its part of the 'new continuity' as it was triggered by the 'butterfly effect'. Overall a spot on character with some strange changes but like Kirk's character, the changes do make sense given Nero's intrusion.

Dr McCoy - He, like Kirk is another hard one to replicate because much of who the original McCoy character was due to Deforest Kelly's performance and own personal characteristics. However Karl Urban's performance lacked Kelly's unique 'spice' but despite that; it was pretty good even if a little too docile for my tastes. He needed a bit more 'old man anger' but to be fair, the script of this movie gave only one real opportunity for it when he took over as chief medical officer and it was done alright.

Uhura - Unfortunately as most of us expected she had a very token role of 'love interest' to Spock than anything real practical which is a shame. To be fair, in the original series she did have a small role but it was an important one and she was never delegated to 'love interest' during the ST:O but there was a bit of flirting with Scotty in ST:V but that movie was way weird. She did serve the purpose of translating that klingon code thing but it was pretty bland .

Scotty - I can't say that I liked this new over the top take on Scotty, he is clearly a character mostly there for the sake of humor and it wasn't all that well done in my opinion. Yeah, the original Scotty by James Doohan was also a comedic character but he was never hyperactive nor over the top like this but this could also be due to what I perceive to be a shortcoming of the writer's style which is comedy (more on that later). Pegg's performance lacked much of what made the original Scotty memorable and it just felt like a completely different character and not a very likable one at that but not bad enough to distract you too much from the movie unlike Chekov...

Chekov - This was probably the least successful representation of the ST:O characters as the actor failed in every way to properly represent Chekov. His accent was all wrong and he looked NOTHING like the part in both looks and mannerism. He was really the only character which was cringy but this was due to his frustrating Russian accent rather than the arrogant comedic one of Walter Koeing's but at least he had a purpose in the plot.


Sulu - Although the actor looked nothing like Sulu he did perform pretty well although his performance was more action based. However although he was pretty unused aside from the action, he was decent enough with nothing really wrong with him aside that he lacked that edge which George Takei provided making him feel as someone different altogether. He feels like another character but this is mostly due to his looks and mannerism not reflecting Takei's but he was never really given a chance to properly perform so that remains up in the air.

Christopher Pike - This character was well done in a 'mentor' role and although we never really got to extensively see Captain Pike in action during the original series, this new representation does represent some of the qualities seen in the original pilot by making him heroic and self less.

The plot:

As mentioned before, overall the plot was excellent and well thought out. The plot does an excellent job of both rebooting the franchise while maintaining respect towards the 30+ year old continuity. The story was also very good and very much in line with the better Star Trek movies of the past such the wrath of Khan and Star trek VI both which revolved around a 'super' villain that needs to be defeated with a grand space battle at the end.

This movie certainly delivered that feel which is really all that we have been asking from Trek film makers in the past but kept failing to do so with most of the Next Generation films.

However although I understand that Eric Bana's performance as Nero was very effective and certainly did fit the role of a Romulan seeking vengeance, I thought they could of used him better. Yeah the threat he posed was very effective by the destruction he imposed but it was more the threat of his ship than Nero himself. In the wrath of Khan the ship wasn't what was threatening, it was Khan himself. You didn't go 'WATCH OUT! THERE IS THE SHIP!' you went 'WATCH OUT! THERE IS KHAN!' Eric Bana is a great actor and I thought they could have used him better in a villain personality role but instead he was part of the threatening force that was the Romulan ship more than anything that would make him stand out. Anyway it was still effective so that is just a minor observation.

The only real bad points that I saw in the script were things which I consider to be Orci's shortcoming as a writer, the humor. The humor was more gimmicky and imposed into the plot rather than being clever and part of the flow. Kirk's big hands was pretty ridiculous more than funny as well as something that didn't feel part of the world being presented to us. The same goes with Scotty's water pipe sequence. However thankfully unlike Transformers, this humor bits were more subtle and less intrusive than Call center guy, masturbation and robot pissing which we saw in Transformers.

Overall an excellent movie, certainly the best Trek movie this decade and among the best ones overall. It is no Wrath of Kahn and its got some flaws, particularly in the humor department and some characters but the spirit of the original series is certainly there.

This movie has shown me that Roberto Orci indeed knows how to write a good clever script which doesn't have the need to rely on old cliches and plot rehashes so it has helped me to gain respect for the artistic capabilities of this writer even though I think he should not do humor or get someone else aside from Kurtzman to do it.

When it comes to the Cinematography, I thought the action sequences were great although they lacked the suspense we saw in other Star Trek ship to ship battles as it was pretty straight forward 'Bang' than something which gradually gained momentum. The camera work was decent and although there was a bit of shakey cam and bad angles, it was no where near as bad and distracting as Bay, it never 'pulled me out' of the movie as Bay does.

The other reviewer here which I mostly agree with is Bliss81 in the original post.

Overall an 8/10 an excellent movie.

Now I will wait for the Star Trek/X-Men crossover :)

(Yeah, its an official comic)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11307/374699-21369-129095-1-star-trek--x-men_super.jpg

http://www.retroist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/spockvwolverine-600x913.jpg

[GoktimusPrime]

...I so wanna see a Star Trek/Star Wars Crossover. :p Yeah, I know it's just a pipedream. :p

http://fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/kirk_and_leia.jpg

[roller]

hey kup

i dont think its time travel, i think its set in an alternate universe


my rationale is that in previous time travel adventures, Star trek 4 for example, they went back in time and nothing automatically changed just because of their arrival in the past

in this film spock says that he and Roman emperor travelled through a black hole

and black holes always lead to alternate realites, its science fact! :D

[GoktimusPrime]

roller: It's both. When Nero travelled back in time he created a parallel universe which splintered off from the old universe which old Spock came from.

[Paulbot]

but thats Sylar! He'll cut your head open to steal your powers! :eek:

When Spock does a mind meld in the next movie, will it start with a pointed finger??

[kup]

hey kup

i dont think its time travel, i think its set in an alternate universe


my rationale is that in previous time travel adventures, Star trek 4 for example, they went back in time and nothing automatically changed just because of their arrival in the past

in this film spock says that he and Roman emperor travelled through a black hole

and black holes always lead to alternate realites, its science fact! :D

As Gok mentioned, its both. Spock's time travel triggered the creation of an alternate timeline which this movie takes place in.

When it comes to Star Trek IV, the time line is never really disrupted as the catalyst for the Alien probe to begin evaporating the Earth's oceans was the extinction of the humpback whales before the 23rd century - Kirk and the Enterprise crew going back in time did not affect that outcome, he merely picked up a pair of whales that were going to be killed otherwise and arrived back at exactly the same moment in which he left and deposited the whales he had picked up into the sea to make the probe go away - No big catalyst was triggered to radically remake the existing time line.

Now we may go into the big Pandora's Box that is time travel as arguably there is a different universe from every alternative action down to trivial things like a universe in which you chose the blue pen and one which you chose the black pen to sign your name...

[Burn]

meh, I wasn't overly impressed.

I might have enjoyed it more if it wasn't for those annoying and pointless lens flares!

[Lord_Zed]

hey kup

i dont think its time travel, i think its set in an alternate universe


my rationale is that in previous time travel adventures, Star trek 4 for example, they went back in time and nothing automatically changed just because of their arrival in the past

in this film spock says that he and Roman emperor travelled through a black hole

and black holes always lead to alternate realites, its science fact! :D

Err the Roman Emperor? I missed that part.

In Star Trek 4 the timeline could have changed, but the change would have occured after they travelled back in time. in the new movie the Romulan minning man Nero has been around for 25 years screwing up time, so ofcoures that's going to change things.

And we don't need a Hadron collector to tell us that each choice creates a new parallel univerese in Star Trek, because of the TNG episode Parallels where space was almost filled up with Enterprises (I wonder which one came from the JJverse?).

We were discussing today why the Enterpise engine room had so much unesscesary pipes going nowhere, in the end we came to the conclusion Starfleets Scotish engineers were payed for each meter of tube they layed down, hence the odd configuration.

Overall a fun film, the report below nails it spot on. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM

[GoktimusPrime]

I might have enjoyed it more if it wasn't for those annoying and pointless lens flares!
I knew some film students who used to complain about digital effects in movies lacking things that they have in film-photographed movies like lens flares! So I guess they put those in to appease "film purists" like them who argue that it's a whole art form. I personally couldn't care less.

[roller]

Err the Roman Emperor? I missed that part.

In Star Trek 4 the timeline could have changed, but the change would have occured after they travelled back in time. in the new movie the Romulan minning man Nero has been around for 25 years screwing up time, so ofcoures that's going to change things.


they addressed this in a recent comic, the man from the future said Kirk caused their exstintion by taking them into the future, way to go Kirk!:D

anyway im right, its an alternate universe cause of the black hole

[i_amtrunks]

I knew some film students who used to complain about digital effects in movies lacking things that they have in film-photographed movies like lens flares! So I guess they put those in to appease "film purists" like them who argue that it's a whole art form. I personally couldn't care less.

I hated the lens flares too, they really irked me on my first viewing, because they gave me the s***s in Transformers too. When I saw it a second time my missus and a couple of our mates who came along for their second viewing had the s***s to, as they noticed every single one! :p

At Uni we found that the lens flare is good for two things in animation, for replicating light refracting off glass and metal surfaces to show off the surface, and to hide minor mistakes and modelling errors...

[Golden Phoenix]

but thats Sylar! He'll cut your head open to steal your powers! :eek:

I kept expecting him to just flip and cut open Kirks head

[Lord_Zed]

As I recall lens flare's used to be really hard to create in old animation software where everything used to look to clean to be real. Then the software caught up and they became easy and people just couldn't stop throwing the damn things in. So it was great when they first showed up, but now there overused to the point of being tacky.

It reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer makes a film, and changes every scene with a star-wipe.


Originally Posted by Roller
anyway im right, its an alternate universe cause of the black hole


No your only right in the alternate universe, in this one your wrong.:p
Roller is never right that's one of the rules of the Prime Directive.

[i_amtrunks]

As I recall lens flare's used to be really hard to create in old animation software where everything used to look to clean to be real. Then the software caught up and they became easy and people just couldn't stop throwing the damn things in. So it was great when they first showed up, but now there overused to the point of being tacky.

Yeah they were hard for two reasons:
1. they had to be created manually, which often meant near-merging multiple directed spotlights which had to be done so as the brightness was consistent as you panned past, and then petered out on the sides. Very ahrd to do manually as often you would just drop from one brightness to the next, there was no gradient in the levels.
2. If they were done well, often it took a hell of a lot of render-time to render it, much the same as reflective metal surfaces used to near kill your average computer.

[roller]

No your only right in the alternate universe, in this one your wrong.:p
Roller is never right that's one of the rules of the Prime Directive.

So alternate universe 'Zed has no facial hair? :)

Remember everyone, im always right, if you agree with me i'll get you out of the base that is under siege by the out of control cloned dinosaurs, if you don't agree with me...then your the one the camera focuses on first in the horror films. And we all know the first one the camera focuses on bites the dust!

[Golden Phoenix]

As I recall lens flare's used to be really hard to create in old animation software where everything used to look to clean to be real. Then the software caught up and they became easy and people just couldn't stop throwing the damn things in. So it was great when they first showed up, but now there overused to the point of being tacky.

I think it is ironic because actual photographers spend so much time trying to get rid of that damn flare

[hotaru_oz]

I saw it last friday and loved it ^^.
I'm not really a big star trek fan as I've only seen the original series when I was a kid. I could never get into Next Generation or anything after that.

[GoktimusPrime]

I really liked the use of lens flares in Beast Wars. I think also because it was done better then (and not very frequently) - and back in those days it was harder to do, so I remember when I saw those effects for the first time I was like, "Ooohhh!" :)

[Lord_Zed]

I really liked the use of lens flares in Beast Wars. I think also because it was done better then (and not very frequently) - and back in those days it was harder to do, so I remember when I saw those effects for the first time I was like, "Ooohhh!" :)

I don't know if they were better done, but Beast Wars at the time was one of the first examples of a 3D serial TV cartoon so it was at time pretty cutting edge... Well kinda. At any rate it was new back then and not overused, but nowadays....

When I was studying I recall being told to use Lens Flares sparringly, vortexes to, but that's another story.

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, I meant to say that it was done well for a CGI TV series of its time. :)

[FFN]

Chekov - This was probably the least successful representation of the ST:O characters as the actor failed in every way to properly represent Chekov. His accent was all wrong and he looked NOTHING like the part in both looks and mannerism. He was really the only character which was cringy but this was due to his frustrating Russian accent rather than the arrogant comedic one of Walter Koeing's but at least he had a purpose in the plot. Aren't both Koenig and Young Kyle Reese here both Russian in real life?