Revenge of the Fallen, Anyone else Dislike?

[Zaul]

< I'll try not to Post Spoilers but I'd prefer you read this after seeing the movie, So read at your own risk >.


I was never a G1 Formers Fan, I just didn't watch it as a kid, If I had of I'm sure I would of loved it.

When Transformers the movie came out ( Michael Bays one ) I was so excited to see it, and to be honest I loved it. Particularly the last 30 minutes, It just blew me away to see Ratchet, Ironhide and Bumblebee kicking ass.

When I heard Revenge of the Fallen was coming out I was so pumped.
I even pulled an all nighter last night because I was too excited to sleep. 10am could not come fast enough.


So I got into the cinema, the lights when down, and was blown away by the first 10 minutes of the movie. It was just amazing to see all the autobots again working together and kicking ass.


Then...

:(


It was mostly a blur of explosions and military scenes.

About half way through the movie there was an awesome Scene with Optimus fighting in the forest, which was just brilliant.

Anyways the story went on, everything happened, then the final scene approached.

The Desert, Lots of Decepticons, and the Autobots all coming to save the day.
Except there's one problem.

There really wasn't any Autobots, There was just military, over and over.

I keep't waiting and waiting hoping to see Ironhide take a few good shots, or Ratchet to pull out a decent weapon and lay into the Deceps.

But nope, just more military stuff...

Devestator goes down from a freaking Ship? I mean what the hell is that.

The autobots get about 2 minutes if that screen time, I was lucky enough to see Jolt in the final scene for about 5 seconds.

Then it's more military and an ending that leaves alot to be explained?


I feel like crying, I had such high hopes for the movie from the way it was hyped, I keept waiting for the big finale, all the Autobots fighting all the Decepticons, Blades, Guns, Explosions, but all I saw were Military jets, tanks, and explosions.


I'm not trying to badmouth the movie, the few scenes with the bots were brilliant, but seriously, it felt like I was watching ' Michael Bay Presents the US Military, and some Autobots for backup '.


:(

[kup]

Your points are indeed valid but this didn't bother me as much as it is expected in a Michael Bay movie and they did show Ironhide and Ratchet shooting at the Decepticons even though the emphasis was with the US military's bombardment.

[Saintly]

now that you mentioned it! you are correct too much military, maybe Bay owes the military some screen time for the stuff they did

[To Punish & Enslave]

Mixed thoughts ... I went this morning with my son. Gave him a day off school. It kinda got a bit lost, I loved the transformers actions sceens. Jetfire was funny but it kinda lacked something i cant put my finger on. Maybe i need to see it a second time. I understand us trans fans dont expect a great story line to enjoy the movie but it did get a little odd at times for me personaly.

[Dylbot]

I'm with you man. I'm pissed that the decepticons just keep getting killed and brought back to life. Did I see Bonecrusher in there, even though he got decapitated?

[Zaul]

What happened to Starscream and Megatron? They were badly damaged, do they just go into hiding?


Who was the leader of the Deceps? I thought Megatron was :S Not some guy from outer space..

Did Arcee Die? One of the 3 bikes got slaughtered in the final fight..

Are the Military still working with the autobots?

Did the annoying President aid guy die when he got sucked out with the parachute?


So many un-answered questions :(

[i_amtrunks]

I'm with you man. I'm pissed that the decepticons just keep getting killed and brought back to life. Did I see Bonecrusher in there, even though he got decapitated?

Bonecrusher and Blackout alt modes were both back, but I do not believe that they were the same transformers as the first film, just Soundwave was lazy and didn't scan a whole heap of new alt modes, just passed out the same 8 or so! :p

Sad that Wheelei and Jetfire (both cons) got more screentime than all the Autobots bar Prime and Bee combined, and except for the twins no other Autobot got more than 2-3 lines.

At least Screamer got to talk and have a tiny bit of characterisation...

[To Punish & Enslave]

What happened to Starscream and Megatron? They were badly damaged, do they just go into hiding?


Who was the leader of the Deceps? I thought Megatron was :S Not some guy from outer space..

Did Arcee Die? One of the 3 bikes got slaughtered in the final fight..

Are the Military still working with the autobots?

Did the annoying President aid guy die when he got sucked out with the parachute?


So many un-answered questions :(

Answer to one of your questions. Said annoying President guy was spoted on a sat phone with some egyptions out in the desert later on in the film.

[G1Optimal]

< I'll try not to Post Spoilers but I'd prefer you read this after seeing the movie, So read at your own risk >.


I was never a G1 Formers Fan, I just didn't watch it as a kid, If I had of I'm sure I would of loved it.

When Transformers the movie came out ( Michael Bays one ) I was so excited to see it, and to be honest I loved it. Particularly the last 30 minutes, It just blew me away to see Ratchet, Ironhide and Bumblebee kicking ass.

When I heard Revenge of the Fallen was coming out I was so pumped.
I even pulled an all nighter last night because I was too excited to sleep. 10am could not come fast enough.


So I got into the cinema, the lights when down, and was blown away by the first 10 minutes of the movie. It was just amazing to see all the autobots again working together and kicking ass.


Then...

:(


It was mostly a blur of explosions and military scenes.

About half way through the movie there was an awesome Scene with Optimus fighting in the forest, which was just brilliant.

Anyways the story went on, everything happened, then the final scene approached.

The Desert, Lots of Decepticons, and the Autobots all coming to save the day.
Except there's one problem.

There really wasn't any Autobots, There was just military, over and over.

I keep't waiting and waiting hoping to see Ironhide take a few good shots, or Ratchet to pull out a decent weapon and lay into the Deceps.

But nope, just more military stuff...

Devestator goes down from a freaking Ship? I mean what the hell is that.

The autobots get about 2 minutes if that screen time, I was lucky enough to see Jolt in the final scene for about 5 seconds.

Then it's more military and an ending that leaves alot to be explained?


I feel like crying, I had such high hopes for the movie from the way it was hyped, I keept waiting for the big finale, all the Autobots fighting all the Decepticons, Blades, Guns, Explosions, but all I saw were Military jets, tanks, and explosions.


I'm not trying to badmouth the movie, the few scenes with the bots were brilliant, but seriously, it felt like I was watching ' Michael Bay Presents the US Military, and some Autobots for backup '.


:(

Went to the Hoyts Blacktown 9:45 showing and...

to answer you question "Nope" as ,I had to completely forget all about, all of this and just enjoy a movie about something fictional

About the Devestator bit....(whited out due to spoiler potential so highlight below )
:confused:It was a Top secret "i think" Electromagnetic Rail Launch type Launcher or something on that ship wasn't it..???:confused:

[Zaul]

So Was Barricade in the movie? I dont remember seeing any cop cars.

[i_amtrunks]

So Was Barricade in the movie? I dont remember seeing any cop cars.

No Barricade, and Brawl did not have a clone appear either...

[To Punish & Enslave]

Im pretty sure I saw scorponock back with a new tail near the end.Or maybe he found his old tail. You have to admit though DEVASTATOR ROCKED regardless.

[Zaul]

Yeah Scorp was in it, he stabbed the old Jet then go squished.

Disappointing on Barricade though, he was one of my favorites.

[i_amtrunks]

Im pretty sure I saw scorponock back with a new tail near the end.Or maybe he found his old tail. You have to admit though DEVASTATOR ROCKED regardless.

Scorponok with a repaired tail (or a doppelganger) was responsible for taking out Jetfire (did it pretty easily too, seeing how easy Jetfire took out some other Cons).

It could be quite confusing to the casual fan who saw half these characters die in the first film...

[To Punish & Enslave]

Scorponok with a repaired tail (or a doppelganger) was responsible for taking out Jetfire (did it pretty easily too, seeing how easy Jetfire took out some other Cons).

It could be quite confusing to the casual fan who saw half these characters die in the first film...

For the seriouse or Casual fans I personaly didnt go see the movie to bag the story line but it would of been great for Mr bay to at least try and be half consistant with allready dead and gone charecters. At least we saw how megs came back to life.

[SentinelPrime]

i agree.

from a transformers fan prospective the movie sucked.

michael bay should be shot!

[1AZRAEL1]

I dont tend to think so, I thought it was great.

Besides, maybe there are some deleted scenes.
Who knows until the dvd comes out.

[Defcon]

+1 I agree.

The first half was great, the last half of the movie was a terrible waste. To much going on, some unimpressive plot points, cheap transformer deaths, awesome display of US Military hardware yay :rolleyes:, Seriously this movie deserves a different title - Transformers-Rise of the Humans- Revenge of the fallen, What revenge ?

[Defcon]

i agree.

from a transformers fan prospective the movie sucked.

michael bay should be shot!

Agree with Sentinel Prime !

[mknell]

I thought dev should have been in it longer and same with soundwave though dev was awesome. I thought so was ravage & jetfire. I was sad there was no barricade

[Robzy]

What bores me the most is Michael Bay's (and the writers') injections of "humour"... :rolleyes: The 'special cookie' scene was pointless and cringe-worthy! Wheelie humping Megan Fox's leg - puh-lease! Devastator's balls? Was this written by an 8 year old?

Golden rule of comedy... if you can't be funny - DON'T TRY!

[King Atlas]

I also disliked it. Devestator didn't do anything for me. The vortex grinder was pretty call but that's about it. And his balls? That was just weak. Im glad I didn't pay to see this movie.
There were some highlights though, but overall very disapointed.

Maybe that Blackout out clone is Grindor?

[Ironhide63]

i hope it doesnt suck CAUSE IM OFF TO SEE IT IN HALF AN HOUR...

[Defcon]

I don't blame the actors, they did a great job. Its people that make the decisions at the top are to blame. The movie is ok, just not great. I watched Death Race last night and I really enjoyed that. By comparison I enjoyed Wolverine, and the Dark Knight and to me they were great. They left me satisfied. After watching ROTF I was disappointed yes, but I also felt ripped off.

[Defcon]

i hope it doesnt suck CAUSE IM OFF TO SEE IT IN HALF AN HOUR...

It dosen't suck ! Don't mind me and others, Its far from boring and there is heaps of bot action, so its still entertaining.

[shokwave2]

I think everyone has to remember that this film was made for everyone to enjoy, not just the fans. The average person would see this as an action film with a bit of humour thrown in and will probably walk away satisfied. While hardcore fans will point out continuity errors, lack of character development and differences with the cartoon's storyline. As a transformer fan you have to at least be happy this film was made. If it wasn't we'd be whinging alot more.

ROTF for ever:cool:

[Lord_Zed]

Yeah I thought it was great!

While everyone here makes valid points about there being to much military not enough Autobots etc, and there being several unanswered plot holes, at the end of the day the director has to fit in what he or she thinks will draw the most people within the budget. So while this movie had a greater budget than the first one there was still a limit to how much robots they could afford to get on screen.

And most of the unanswered questions don't really need a definite answer.

We know the liason guy survived that's enough.

And with Megs and Starscream, well I guess they went back to their base.

I will however chime in on the humour part though, there was to much of that. I guess somone must like that much juvenile humour, but I'm not sure who.

[rampagesss]

Yea im 50/50 there was some good but some bad points about the movie, mainly the bad stupid humour but they have to appeal to a wide age ban
The twins were just a waist of time and did nothing at all


But good that the decepticons spoke a LOT more and when i first saw ravage i was blown away he was so awsome by far my favorite!

Also where Magatron and Starscream voices the same as the first movie as they sounded different to me mainly Starscream

Also a surprise that soundwave had the voice of Dr Claw from inspector gadjet which worked well for me sounded mean

But yea looking back it was a good movie

[roller]

i was a bit disappointed

unlike the first film, i was not pumped up with excitement

even though i avoided all spoilers

it felt like a let down.

I knew that it would be a Bay film, but i expected a bit more story line

to me it seemed to be just lots of super fast fight scenes

im glad the 3d was just as good as last time

bit weird that some dead robots showed up

[Gutsman Heavy]

it wasn't very good :(

[jgon2098]

the biggest letdown for me was the overall lack of quality in the plot.

it was the plot that made the first film so freaking awesome.

This film wasn't bad, still good. Sector 7 dude saved the film for me. I thought everything up till that point (with the exception of the forest optimus scene) was pretty average.

And I found it more cheesy than the first one, but woteva, would still love to see TF3.

Also, I couldn't see wtf was happening when the constructicons during combining. Would've been nice to have at least one long-shot view when combining. Couldn't tell wtf was going into what.

Isabel lucas. hot... reminded me of aliens though...

[roller]

i hated those 2 robots, we know which ones

brings shame to the name of mudflap

[canofwhoopass_87]

Just got back from hoyts with the misses. I'm sorry, but that sucked ass. Dammit I knew this was gona happen. Prime's lines were terrible throughout. He went from "noble, courageous autobot leader" to "I'm an asskicker, and I just kicked your ass".

Story was owwwww kaaaaay, but nothing special. Just mainly fight scenes and yes - too much unnecessary humour. Jetfire was a cool surprise though.

Overall - Not happy Jan.

[Ironhide63]

I JUST GOT BACK FROM SEEING IT...if you read my previous post you'll see i hoped it was not boring...it wasnt. I just wish they clarified a few things like was barricade in it/back, blackout or grindor...who was the 3rd fembot...did she survive, what happened to the twins, what happened to soundwave...you know...they could've had a cutscene after the credits to show megatron and starscream flying away. But yea...overall I loved it...its a good movie if you can look past Devastator's huge balls. that wasn't necessary...what the hell was Bay thinking. half of the 'humor' wasnt needed...at the end it looked like ironhide was injured badly...sideswipe rocked, arcee and chromia ruled, erm...yea, the movie was just great.

[Robzy]

I think everyone has to remember that this film was made for everyone to enjoy, not just the fans. The average person would see this as an action film with a bit of humour thrown in and will probably walk away satisfied. Actually, I found the opposite today... I went with some people who aren't fans and a few of them were honest with me afterwards, and said they were going to walk out because they thought it was cheesy and they were getting bored! The only reason they stayed was because they know I'm a huge TF fan and they didn't want to offend me!! It was quite embarrassing! :o


Also a surprise that soundwave had the voice of Dr Claw from inspector gadjet which worked well for me sounded meanYay - Frank Welker finally gets a role! :eek:


the biggest letdown for me was the overall lack of quality in the plot. There was a plot??? :p Seriously, when you consider the writers got paid $8 million (http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/10/entertainment/et-scriptland10) for that it makes you scratch your head! Especially considering they stole ideas from Star Wars, Stargate, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and Cheech & Chong! :rolleyes:


I just wish they clarified a few things like was barricade in it/back, blackout or grindor...who was the 3rd fembot...did she survive, what happened to the twins, what happened to soundwave...you know...they could've had a cutscene after the credits to show megatron and starscream flying away.Bay is notorious for "forgetting" about characters when the action takes over.

[Gutsman Heavy]

Bay is notorious for "forgetting" about characters when the action takes over.

Barricade...
Wheelie...
Soundwave...


hmm good point :D

[kup]

I am a bit conflicted...When I came out I thought the movie was ok and I did enjoy it while watching despite horrendously bad comedy and a lot of bad points we discussed as we walked out that has been raised here (Prime's savagery, frantic pace, cringy ideas, Pretender, etc) at the time they didn't bother me as much but as I have been reflecting on the movie during today, I have begun to incline into thinking that the movie wasn't all that good and that perhaps the first movie was better despite also being severely flawed by Bayisms and bad humor.

The first movie had its flaws but it had soul which this movie is lacking..

[Gutsman Heavy]

The first movie had its flaws but it had soul which this movie is lacking..

YES!
/agree 100%

[Robzy]

The movie just offered nothing new! I mean, the final battle was exactly like the desert scene in TF1 with Scorponok.

The pacing was off - Bay just jumped from action scene to quiet scene to action to quiet... I mean, why not group them together a bit more?

Forgotten characters... what happened to the Twins? They just stopped being in the film shortly after Devastator merged. And Wheelie just vanished after they went through the check point (Guess he didn't make it through).

Prime's motto "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"... unless you're Demolisher, who he shoots in the face so aggressively at the start.

All this stuff just screams of a director who doesn't give a shit! Screw the characters, screw the plot (was there a plot?) The Fallen just keeps saying he wants revenge... WE KNOW - it's the friggin NAME OF THE FILM!!! :rolleyes::mad: Sam has something in his head that everyone wants, which only at first makes him go crazy and do weird shit, before he suddenly acts normal for the rest of the film (yeah, they forgot about that too). That's the plot?

Bay hasn't learnt from the first film... the real stars of the Transformers are (wait for it) the Transformers!! :eek: :eek: No one cares about Sam's roommate. Or his mother! No one really cares that much about Sam for that matter (although, he is the main human contact). People care about Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Bumblebee... etc... That's why, when Prime dies, it's hard to connect on an emotional level. We simply just haven't gotten to know this character before we can feel sad that he dies!


The cookie scene didn't further the plot/character development!

Sam's roommate was pointless - if you removed his character from the film (including all his dialogue) would we even notice?

Did I really need to see Agent Simmon's arse... (alright, I'll admit that made me laugh - but it's such a cheap laugh, just like all the others in the film)!

Oh yeah... I got very confused when Sam went to Robot Heaven... WTF?

[kup]

I liked Sam going to Robot heaven - It gave some substance and background to the grossly lacking plot and finally adds some needed background to the Movieverse.

[roller]

i was expecting an invasion of Decepticons

and the fallen to be not a character, but Megatron, maybe revived as Galvatron.

Those 2 stupid jarjarbinks twins gah i hate them :mad:

That thing was Devastator?!!! The G1 constructicons must be spinning in their graves !

[Robzy]

I liked Sam going to Robot heaven - It gave some substance and background to the grossly lacking plot and finally adds some needed background to the Movieverse.Fair enough... but, again, I don't get it? How does an earthling (on earth) go to a Cybertronian Robot Heaven?

[loophole]

Fair enough... but, again, I don't get it? How does an earthling (on earth) go to a Cybertronian Robot Heaven?

because it was his destiny

[roller]

cause he was smokin allspark cube fragment, man that stuff takes me to robot hell, where all the Robot heroes live

[Robzy]

because it was his destiny
Oh, well... now it all makes sense :D:p

You know, when you say that, you sound like Darth Vader... I guess now I know what the writers' main source of "inspiration" was... ;)

[dirge]

Good:

- More Transformers screentime than the first movie. Just.
- Wheelie. A genuinely likeable character (:

Bad:

- The roommate. As Robzy said, he simply serves no purpose.
- The "hot" chick. Again, do we need her trying so hard to seduce Sam? She's just there for eye candy.
- The cookie scene. Useless, pointless. Sure it raised some laughs but it was also cringeworthy.
- Too many generic Decepticons getting their asses whupped. In the first film, "these things just don't die", in this film the Stormtrooper Effect is in full swing, and we see generic constructicons dying en masse.

I gave the first film 8/10... this one is about a 6 at the moment - my final verdict is still out, because the third film might tie things up for me, but it's nowhere near the first film at the moment. I don't hate it, but I'm not terribly fond. I'll watch it again and buy the DVD, but more because I'm a collector than because I love the film.

[roller]

Good:

-
- Too many generic Decepticons getting their asses whupped. In the first
.

yeah. The fallen and alot of generics look like the Predators from the Predator movies

its like they aimed it at kids and young teens but with lots of naughty words

Megatron has shrunk in the film, maybe the fathoms crushed him

[Robzy]

Megatron has shrunk in the film, Yeah, I noticed that too!

[RageOnTheRoads]

I think everyone has to remember that this film was made for everyone to enjoy, not just the fans. The average person would see this as an action film with a bit of humour thrown in and will probably walk away satisfied. While hardcore fans will point out continuity errors, lack of character development and differences with the cartoon's storyline. As a transformer fan you have to at least be happy this film was made. If it wasn't we'd be whinging alot more.

ROTF for ever:cool:
Actually I think its the other way around. :D

I walked away mildly satisfied, with a big grin on my face. My friends however, who's TF knowledge consists only of the occasional snippet they pick up from one of my rants, walked away horribly confused and disorientated. Two of them professed that they preferred the first one.

In fact after the obligatory post movie fish and chips, (over which there was much discussion of plot holes and lame humour) they spied my ROTF figs and decided to have a play. Apparently this was unanimously agreed amongst the group to be more fun than the movie itself.

Must admit, I was having a ball of a time watching them struggle with leader Prime. :D There were many curses and exclamations of needing "a bloody engineering degree to transform these things." :p

[Lord_Zed]

Well I think this films was bigger and badder than the first one in every respect except one (which I will get to). The action was more intense, more massive, more spectacular as were the plot holes, and disapering characters etc etc. th first film had all these problems, in the new one there just bigger along with everthing else in the film.

I do however agree that this one lacked the soul the first film had. the first film had the Sam Bumblebee boy and his first car dynamic that was the true soul of the first film, the whole Sam Mikaela thing just seemed the usual tacked on protaganist love-interest story. Optimus Prime also gave the film a bit of heart as the wise old protector mentor character.

In this film they never quite decided who to follow, There were some Sam and Bumblebee bits early on (ironic that people complained about the robot tears, but this actualy worked well) and it seemed like it might be about letting go with Sam leaving for college and all. but then Bumblebee receded into the background. Wheelie, Jetfire and the twins all had the foundations of being a major player none of them ever quite took of. (though I must admit I was more attached to jetfire when he fell, then Jazz in movie one). As for Prime his more savage nature made it hard to bond with him the same way as the first film. Though I think the part where he fell he was at his best, it reminded me of the Prime on the rampage comic from the marvel g1.

Anyways that said my opinon of the film is unchanged I think its a great thrill ride, and bigger and badder than the first. I wouldn't say either are my favourte film but I still likes em both.

Actually I think its the other way around. :D

I walked away mildly satisfied, with a big grin on my face. My friends however, who's TF knowledge consists only of the occasional snippet they pick up from one of my rants, walked away horribly confused and disorientated. Two of them professed that they preferred the first one.

In fact after the obligatory post movie fish and chips, (over which there was much discussion of plot holes and lame humour) they spied my ROTF figs and decided to have a play. Apparently this was unanimously agreed amongst the group to be more fun than the movie itself.

Must admit, I was having a ball of a time watching them struggle with leader Prime. :D There were many curses and exclamations of needing "a bloody engineering degree to transform these things." :p

Just to balance the field a bit some of my non TF Friends just got back and liked the new one more than the first one. Looks like this film will be more divisive than the first.

[Stompy]

Liked:
- Jetfire
- Wheelie
- Skids & Mudflap
- Ravage
- Kitchen bots
- humour
- Megatron & Starscream banter
- Prime lore

Disliked:
- short to no screen time for some of the characters like Sideswipe, Jolt, Arcee Triplets
- robot action either way too close to the screen, which felt like I was in a washing machine full of garbage, or or the action is covered by sand, smoke, buildings, parachute which felt like I was watching the action thru a keyhole
- generic decepticon bots
- Megatron's role severly weakened and diminished by his underling like behaviour around the Fallen

I just didn't like it that much. The action was always obstructed by stuff. Especially when Optimus was rising from his ressurection. Should have been a glory moment, but instead I got to watch a parachute/cover flailing over the screen. Underused autobots, where's more Arcee action and Sideswipe Grrr. I was quite disappointed bar the twins and wheelie. Prefer the first movie by a mile.

[Mr_K]

I'm guessing this is a spolier thread, so this is a spolier comment...


BIGGEST disappointment in recent movie history :(

Seriously, what were they thinking. They ended up with about 30 transformers in the movie, all of which pretty much got only a few seconds to a few minutes of screen time apart from a handful.

I was really looking forward to a huge optimus + jetfire vs devastator fight but oh no, aparently humans have a gun with enough power to take devastator down by themselves. It isn't explained how they got this gun or tech (considering it is explicitely outlined that the autobots will never assist with new tech) and then after it IS revealed they only use it once when if it can take down devastator then why not use it against the fallen and megatron as well who were standing together pretty much where devastator was?

What did they do to our Megatron! Megatron has never had a master. Galvatron had Unicron for about 45min but to see Megatron become the sidekick was -> overly disapointing.

LOL, Bay said that they didn't put Arcee in the first film because they didn't want to have to explain how there could be female transformers, well he didn't explain it in this one anyway so that was lame.

Devastator was a huge letdown. As soon as demolisher was killed I was like, but you're part of devastator! Thinking they might resurrect him some how for that role it came to devastators entrance and I thought, wow, cool. But then the next frames were of rampage, mixmaster and haul fighting and I was confused because didn't I just see all you guys combine? Using carbon copies of robots to form a devastator without individual bots was soooo weak. If devastator had to be just a lot of parts coming together then why not use different vechicles then those you're already using for other characters in the film -> HUGE letdown and utterly confusing.

Plus no barracade who was awesome in the first film, oh but bonecrusher is back now -> wtf.

I would have prefered half the cast of transformers and each having more screen time so that we could actually see who they are and why each is an important part of each team instead of just gun fodder.

That said, they did do some things right. Soundwave and Ravage were awesome but totally underused. The terminator chick was cool, something I didn't see coming, and I'll let them have that one because of the Japanese Pretenders.

Starscream was done really well for this film. His smugness and lack of loyalty was back and it was great to see.

The twins were annoying, but mostly because that screen time could have been used for actually cool transformers like Ironhide and maybe some of the bikes and new TFs.

Well that's my rant. I'm glad I haven't gotten any of the toys yet because I don't think I will get any. The first movie was great, this one had so many plot points and yet only a few characters out of the huge amount that were fleshed out enough to even attempt to carry the storylines.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Did Arcee Die? One of the 3 bikes got slaughtered in the final fight..


So many un-answered questions :(
Another one got blasted a little later as they were pulling back a bit. I think it was the Pink one.

Barricade...
Wheelie...
Soundwave...


hmm good point :D
WHere was Bumblebee when Sam and Mikalea were trying to get to op. He drops them off for a bit and then shows up at the Ramapage fight. Incidentally, does Rampage have to make "SPROING" noises as he goes?

So at the end of the Movie, are STars and Megs the only 2 deceps left on Earth? Is Ravage a generic bot or does he just get around a lot? So many questions...
Liked Isable lucas! HAWT!:D

[Saintly]

i fell asleep the 2nd time through the matrix discovery and the first half of the desert fight :D

[Sky Shadow]

I, personally, have absolutely no interest in the movie universe - it just takes up shelf-and-peg space from aesthetically pleasing Transformers toylines and saves me lots of money.

That said, I was far from disappointed by this movie. Wheelie and Jetfire got some characterisation, I loved its concept of the Seekers and the first new Pretender in twenty years = yay. An 150 minute running time... that's the equivalent of seven cartoon episodes. Did I get seven cartoons worth of enjoyment out of this film? I think I did.

(What I don't understand is why I keep hearing people say they liked the forest scene. It was just yet another generic fight that ended with Optimus Prime falling sideways to the right of the screen. What the heck was up with that camera angle? And was that weird sideways fall just in the IMAX version or in all the prints?)

[roller]

some nobody on channel 7 just badmouthed it

[Paulbot]

I can't stop thinking about the film today!

I will see it again to make my definite judgement, but I made a list when I got home last night of the things I liked and the things I didn't, and the "didn't like" list was the longer one :( .

There was one aspect that I really didn't like, but I'm going to make a new thread for that discussion after more people have seen and digested the movie.

[klystron]

I really enjoyed it. But then I am quite good at overlooking plot holes and continuity errors. As with most movies, there were some good points and bad points. Maybe some people were expecting too much... I dunno?

Also, I assumed that it wasn't bonecrusher & blackout, but new 'cons with same alt modes. There did seem to be an abundance of constructicons though.

I really thought some of the characters were under-utilised; their screen time scarificed in order to increase quantity of TFs in the movie, maybe.
And yeah, those generic cons were seriously weak. it looked like "they" couldnt be bothered or ran out of time to making new characters (but no doubt there will be a plethora of toys that didnt make the film!). they died too easy as well.

speaking of dying to easy - "only a prime can defeat me" Are you serious Mr Fallen? I reckon skids and mudflap could've taken you down.

[jaydisc]

Major Deja Vu. I coulda sworn I just read half these posts in another thread. :p

[Gutsman Heavy]

speaking of dying to easy - "only a prime can defeat me" Are you serious Mr Fallen? I reckon skids and mudflap could've taken you down.

well after their tangle with Devvy, I'll bet they would have iced the Fallen with zero effort.

[rampagesss]

Just a quick question who was the blue Autobot at the air base with lightning shooting out of his hands, you only see him in the background there and one at the final fight seen. But he looked awsome when you did get to see him,
so who was he and what was his purpose in the movie:confused:

[1AZRAEL1]

Was there to fire lightning out of his hands haha :p

Dunno, I will go see it again on the weekend maybe, on the smaller screen.
I think with IMAX, its too big to be able to look at all the action, but it was still worth it.

[i_amtrunks]

Just a quick question who was the blue Autobot at the air base with lightning shooting out of his hands, you only see him in the background there and one at the final fight seen. But he looked awsome when you did get to see him,
so who was he and what was his purpose in the movie:confused:

Jolt, was purely there to help Prime merge with Jetfires parts (which prime immediately shed post battle, how nice Prime!)

[shokwave2]

Just a quick question who was the blue Autobot at the air base with lightning shooting out of his hands, you only see him in the background there and one at the final fight seen. But he looked awsome when you did get to see him,
so who was he and what was his purpose in the movie:confused:

Jolt, and to combine Optimus and Jetfire.


WHere was Bumblebee when Sam and Mikalea were trying to get to op. He drops them off for a bit and then shows up at the Ramapage fight. Incidentally, does Rampage have to make "SPROING" noises as he goes?

Wasn't that when he was transporting Sam's parents to safety, or was that before?

[Kayyasha]

I was very, very disapointed by ROTF. To quote myself from other sites:

The action was great and so was the animation, but this is something I love deeply - if the film hadn't been Transformers I would have enjoyed it for the pretty pretty lights and explosions. But it was Transformers and it just didn't meet my standards no matter how hard I tried to like it. In the first film I understood they needed some human time because their audience hadn't seen Transformers and needed some into, but Bay promised us more screentime for the 'bots. I was wrong to believe that screentime may have been devoted to, y'know, distinguishing them from one and other. But no, it was watching them be blown up.

Devastator went down too easilly. Megatron wasn't a strong enough character. Bumblebee was underused. Soundwave and Ravage were underused. *Insert every Autobot name here* didn't get enough screentime. The Original Primes weren't all that bright and their plan made no sense.

ALSO; this is probably irrelevent to everything and wtf was Bay thinking when putting it in, but....WHERE DID STARSCREAM GET ALL THOSE SPARKLINGS (Hatchlings?) FROM? Because as much as the fangirl in me would giggle hysterically if it were canon, I doubt he's popping them out by himself.

[Paulbot]

And yeah, those generic cons were seriously weak. it looked like "they" couldnt be bothered or ran out of time to making new characters (but no doubt there will be a plethora of toys that didnt make the film!). they died too easy as well.

A shame when they could have reused the Starscream model X number of times and given us a full Decepticon Air Force. (the names and colours are well established after all, and there's toys of half of them already :o:rolleyes: )


Just a quick question who was the blue Autobot at the air base with lightning shooting out of his hands, you only see him in the background there and one at the final fight seen. But he looked awsome when you did get to see him,
so who was he and what was his purpose in the movie:confused:

My first thought in the Air base scene was wait who is that? My second thought was, have I seen that toy? :o


ALSO; this is probably irrelevent to everything and wtf was Bay thinking when putting it in, but....WHERE DID STARSCREAM GET ALL THOSE SPARKLINGS (Hatchlings?) FROM? Because as much as the fangirl in me would giggle hysterically if it were canon, I doubt he's popping them out by himself.

Alice did seem to be a female Decepticon, and Arcee appeared to be a female Autobot(s?) and Optimus Prime was a descendent, and Transformers have "generations" so I guess there must indeed be some sort of reproduction going on... :eek:

[GoktimusPrime]

I liked the movie. That's not to say that I thought it was flawless, but I enjoyed it. It pretty much matched my expectations;
+ It was an action packed "popcorn" flick
+ Michael Bay makes action packed "popcorn" flicks
+ The first TF movie was an action packed "popcorn" flick

My main gripes is the introduction of all these robots who don't transform, like Ravage, the Decepticon that Ravage regurgitates inside the AllSpark shard chamber, Soundwave etc. I'm sorry, I thought this movie was called Transformers. (-_-)

But overall I found it to be an enjoyable movie and I look forward to seeing it for a 3rd time in the cinema and getting it on DVD when it comes out. :)

Another interesting thing is talking to other people about their feelings about this movie and also when watching it for the 2nd time last night, seeing how other people in the audience reacted. Because we all see things in a different way and we have different tastes. For example:
+ Some people complained about the blurry fight scenes. I love blurry fight scenes. It lends a real air of realisim. Also, they're giant effing robots! Imagine watching people having a street brawl from an ant's POV. One thing I really hate about so-called "martial arts" movies is that the fight choreography is often too clean and pretty... completely unrealistic (I'm looking at you Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon! <waves fist>). Give me gritty realism any day.
+ Some people found the "reefer cookie" joke funny. Some people in the audience last night I was with laughed at it. I didn't think it was funny, but evidently others did. One of my friends loved the scene where Sam's mum crash-tackled the student with the frisbee.
+ People in last night's audience laughed at the joke "there is no tighter shirt, we've checked." - I didn't think it was that funny.
+ I laughed out loud when Leo tasered and later when Simmons tasered him. The audience laughed too.
+ I laughed when Leo told Mikaela that she'd landed on his groin and Simmon's line of "enemy scrotum" - but maybe that's just my obsession with hurting janglies kicking in. ;)
+ I laughed when Leo's roommate said, "The internet is pure truth." I didn't hear anyone else laughing though so maybe I'm the only one who found that funny.

Btw Zaul - Devastator was hit with an experimental rail cannon which appeared to fire some kind of energy expulsion, so it's not a conventional ballistic missile launcher.

[Paulbot]

the Decepticon that Ravage regurgitates inside the AllSpark shard chamber,
I like to think that was movie Buzzsaw (or Laserbeak I suppose).

[shokwave2]

I like to think that was movie Buzzsaw (or Laserbeak I suppose).

I thought it acted more like a Dinobot by the way it was on it's back legs, but then it ran like a dog when it escaped. Weird. Loved how Ravage was owning the Naval Base firefight.

[Paulbot]

Oh yeah, I was thinking of the way it was flying (wasn't it?). Whatever it was it was odd.

[Lord_Zed]

Jolt, was purely there to help Prime merge with Jetfires parts (which prime immediately shed post battle, how nice Prime!)

I thought I read somewhere Jolt was there purely because the car company wanted to plug another car, and I'm sure Hasbro didn't mind either.

[SentinelPrime]

i still cant get over the fact that when sam dies its transformers that bring him back to life..........wtf?????

[Defcon]

I suppose thats one way to look at it. It's understandable. I see it as sam basically died like in the G1 cartoons when Rodimus died and merged with the matrix. and in both instances they communicated with cybertronian ancestors to seek answers to a problem. Its not like transformers heaven! as some have suggested on other forums. The problem is with the scene they make it look like some sort of heaven.

[GoktimusPrime]

Actually existing canon has portrayed the Matrix as being a cross between heaven and Nirvana in a paradoxical kind of way. It's like Nirvana in that all Sparks are destined to return to it (thus it is the place where "all are one") yet it's also like heaven because Sparks still retain their individual aspects even after returning to it.

The Matrix in the movie-universe is a different MacGuffin, so who knows how it works. :p

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Wasn't that when he was transporting Sam's parents to safety, or was that before?
I think the fight was before the parents safety thing. NOt sure now...

IWHERE DID STARSCREAM GET ALL THOSE SPARKLINGS (Hatchlings?) FROM? Because as much as the fangirl in me would giggle hysterically if it were canon, I doubt he's popping them out by himself.
ROFL!! I would Love to see THAT worked in somehow.:D


My main gripes is the introduction of all these robots who don't transform, like Ravage, the Decepticon that Ravage regurgitates inside the AllSpark shard chamber, Soundwave etc. I'm sorry, I thought this movie was called Transformers. (-_-)


The bot Ravage barfs does transform, I can see the packaging now.

Name: Ravage's Barf
"Transforms from marble collection to robot an back!":p;)

[SMHFConvoy]

That thing was Devastator?!!! The G1 constructicons must be spinning in their graves ! I hear that they're spinning so fast they powering one of cybertron's moons :p


The Matrix in the movie-universe is a different MacGuffin, so who knows how it works.

Isn't it the key to the Harvester's ignition?

The film just had no heart.

[Dylbot]

Another thing, wasn't bumblebee ment to have shoulder cannons:confused:

[roller]

Another thing, wasn't bumblebee ment to have shoulder cannons:confused:

his 70s body had them

[Dylbot]

I can't remember, did the constructicons already have alt modes when they came to earth, or did they scan the ones on that ship? Also, was it the yellow excavator who was used for parts under the ocean? btw I loved mixmaster's hood ornament!

[Lord_Zed]

I can't remember, did the constructicons already have alt modes when they came to earth, or did they scan the ones on that ship? Also, was it the yellow excavator who was used for parts under the ocean? btw I loved mixmaster's hood ornament!

You never saw them come to earth, it was implied that they were already here before the movie started, least that's what I thought.

[RageOnTheRoads]

ALSO; this is probably irrelevent to everything and wtf was Bay thinking when putting it in, but....WHERE DID STARSCREAM GET ALL THOSE SPARKLINGS (Hatchlings?) FROM? Because as much as the fangirl in me would giggle hysterically if it were canon, I doubt he's popping them out by himself.

LOL. :D

I also found myself mulling that one over.

Well you would hope the con's used and abused the allspark before Prime managed to 'express post' it to earth. Otherwise, if they can 'reproduce' and just create more of themselves on a whim, kind of invalidates the entire significance and purpose of the allspark, the war... and the entire plot of the first movie.:rolleyes:

[Bartrim]

I thought I read somewhere Jolt was there purely because the car company wanted to plug another car, and I'm sure Hasbro didn't mind either.

Yeah I read he wasn't in the movie until GM told Bay they wanted to put their new hybrid car in.

Also I worked out where I had seen those different coloured constructicons before... On my sons "Bob the Builder" DVD:p:D

[FFN]

The US Navy railgun was awesome, and frankly, I wanted more military scenes.

[TheDirtyDigger]

- Too many humans.

- So much crap humour. So much. There had to be a 'joke' every minute. Why?

-The only 'in-depth' characterisations were the retarded and cliched characters of Jetfire, Wheelie and the spastic twins.

-The plot was highly contrived, filled with holes and the pacing was all over the place.

-Generic 'bad guy' aliens replaced real Decepticons.

-Too many humans.



On the plus side Ravage looked cool.


Yeah I read he wasn't in the movie until GM told Bay they wanted to put their new hybrid car in.



That's funny as I don't even remember seeing Jolt in car mode and only hearing him called by name once in the whole movie.

[GoktimusPrime]

On the plus side Ravage looked cool.
On the down side he's an Action Master. :(

[Tabias Prime]

I really loved the movie.I wasn't happy with some of the cruss humour but other than that, i thought it was well balance between human an Transformers..I didn't go in with high expectations so i wasn't let down,it seems most people went in with such high expectation after the first one that it turned out not how they want.i think it was just as good as the first and people say there was no story line. I dont think they saw the same movie i did. i had no problem following the story, maybe if people stop criticising and just enjoy the movie for what it is.i was on the edge of my seat for most of the movie. :D:D:D

[dirge]

+ Some people found the "reefer cookie" joke funny. Some people in the audience last night I was with laughed at it. I didn't think it was funny, but evidently others did.


I see the humour, but it just doesn't fit into an already-long film. The plot pauses for a few minutes for a joke that belongs in a different film genre.



+ People in last night's audience laughed at the joke "there is no tighter shirt, we've checked." - I didn't think it was that funny.


Dude, I was right next to you and I laughed at that one ;)



+ I laughed when Leo's roommate said, "The internet is pure truth." I didn't hear anyone else laughing though so maybe I'm the only one who found that funny.


Again, right next to you... laughing :D

BTW, we did see Jolt in vehicle mode, although only in fairly early group shots of the Autobot vehicles. His appearance was awfully rushed though.

[Trailer Park Ninja]

Went and saw this movie in Gold Class with some non-Transformer fans.

For them it is was an adequate pop-corn flick, for me it was disappointing.

I treat the movies and the cartoon/toyline of G1 as they should be-seperate animals.

But I felt the first one was way better than the sequel. I think Bay got too ambitious with the story and even moreso with the action that the pacing was horrible, too much unnecessary comedic (if that!) dialogue/scenes, and too many plot holes/oversights.

I couldn't imagine watching this on an Imax screen as I originally intended to as the action sequences would have been so difficult to process and sensory overload would have fried my brains.

I would have as many others of you said, liked more characterisation of the bots. They wasted too much screen time on the spastic twins and Jetfire's whole introduction could have been condensed more.

Some moron writer tried to introduce a whole genre of bad comedy into this movie with the ball sack and phallic sexual innenduo jokes (e.g. Leo's pizza - "18 inches of meat") that just had no place here. They must have gotten the idiot who wrote Batman and Robin or Joel Schumacher was involved.

I thought the female Decepticon college student thing was stupid. The toy truck Decepticon humping the leg was stupid and crap.

I see the need for humans to be involved in the movie but not at the expense of screen time for the bots. However, if Bay wastes screen time on the idiot twins what does it matter?

Too many cheap deaths and resurrections of Decepticons just annoyed me. Although I loved the idea of how one Deception got cannibalised by the others for parts and his spark to resurrect Megatron. I thought that was a nice touch and insight on the ruthlessness of these guys.

I know this is the G1 fan in me when I just hated the idea of Megatron answering to someone else, even to the point he would bend down on knee in servitude.

How does Optimus Prime in the first movie get his ass kicked so easily that you think Megatron is far superior to him yet in this one, he is taking on Megatron and co easily before biting it. He even gives one the dirt nap before succumbing to Megatron's blade.

The combiners= sucked big time.

I didn't feel I got ripped off paying for my movie ticket, but I didn't feel it was worth seeing again or recommending to others. 5/10 IMHO.

[GoktimusPrime]

I know this is the G1 fan in me when I just hated the idea of Megatron answering to someone else, even to the point he would bend down on knee in servitude.
The RotF prequel explains Megatron's subservience to the Fallen. Also, Megatron did take orders from others in G1, such as Lord Straxus and Shockwave.

"Hail Shockwave, Decepticon Commander Supreme. I function for you and you alone." - Megatron (The Worse of Two Evils)

[Lordy]

I went in not expecting much, therefore not getting my hopes damaged as badly as others in this thread.

I didn't mind the twins, nor didn't really see the racist angle with them.

Ravage looked awesome, and I hope they do a good toy on him.

Alice was a bit of a shock, I didn't remember her dying in the other movie.

OP dying and coming back was pretty obvious. Sad that characters like Sideswipe didn't get more air time. Decepticons were a lot weaker than their Autobot versions. I know that Megatron would've been weaken by being under the ocean, but Devestator didn't seem that powerful especially since he was slapped around by the twins.

[TheDirtyDigger]

On the down side he's an Action Master. :(

No way. He transformed into marbles!


Trailer Park Ninja I believe we may have been separated at birth. You said everything exactly the way I was thought it.

[ajz]

Plenty of comments so far, but I must say that I did have to think about it for a while afterwards for it all to make sense.

Haven't done that after a film for years.....

Loved the twins - Racist? All the 14-19 year olds are acting/talking like that in today's world; Black or white! Trust me, I know!

[Robzy]

I would've been happy to wait for another year or 2 for a better film. I think they just rushed it IMO.

Bay was stubborn about meeting the release date deadline. The Writers' Strike meant that the 3 writers only had about a month to churn out this "story".

It sucks how they have a release date and a pre-production schedule for a film that hasn't even been written yet! :rolleyes:

I just wish they had taken more time and injected some heart into the whole thing. There's nothing wrong with taking a little time... hell, the sequels to Alien and The Terminator came out 6 years or so after the originals, and both are considered superior films!

Cheap, cheesy, low-brow jokes are easy... how about something for those of us who like to think? :rolleyes: I agree with one review I read... I'm sick of people saying that I just need to turn my brain off to watch this film... that's like asking me to rip out my tongue and then try and enjoy a meal.

[Eruntalon]

Honestly, I preferred 2007's Transformers film to Revenge of the Fallen. I also never got over Jazz's death if anyone cares, and I still don't like Ironhides English accent...


My main concerns with RotF include the following:

-Too much close-up blurry action, although I was coming down with the flu and sitting in the fifth row when I saw the film at Hoyts Melbourne Central, so that could have contributed to my eye's not adjusting well.

-A cross between sexist and Disney/Pixar humour was used throughout the film. -A lot of unnecessary curse words were used.

-I didn't like the look of the fem-bot Arcee and her sisters, or Isabel lucas' bot mode, which I could never imagine transforming into anything else other than forming the skeletal frame of her Human Pretender Shell.

-Optimus Prime was a no holds barred bastard at times, who's morals were twisted.

-I wanted to see the autobots act on the Presidential order of having to leave the planet because they were the sole reason for the Decepticons presence, after the speech that Optimus gave which was so serious. Otherwise, why include it in the film?

-The desert fight at the end was so-last-film-cliche.

-This is besides the point, but I don't like Shia LaBeouf in action films and I never will.

[Paulbot]

-I wanted to see the autobots act on the Presidential order of having to leave the planet because they were the sole reason for the Decepticons presence, after the speech that Optimus gave which was so serious. Otherwise, why include it in the film?

And once they left the planet, Megatron would laugh and say "I've destroyed their computer's communications capability and retargeted them to the Sun! They will become one with oblivion!"

Or was I the only one thinking about Megatron's Master Plan during that scene?

[TheDirtyDigger]

My main concerns with RotF include the following:

-Too much close-up blurry action, although I was coming down with the flu and sitting in the fifth row when I saw the film at Hoyts Melbourne Central, so that could have contributed to my eye's not adjusting well.


Don't ever blame yourself. I'm certain multiple millions by now saw the film with too much close-up blurry action just as you did.

[Trailer Park Ninja]

Trailer Park Ninja I believe we may have been separated at birth. You said everything exactly the way I was thought it.

Lol, by that reasoning, I think there may be quite a few born on the same day then ;)

[Lordy]

Even though it was still pretty fast, I found some of the robot fighting scenes a bit easier to follow than the first movie. The LA battle in the first movie was nearly impossible to follow with the fast edits.

[Ironhide63]

the most accurate thing i can say is i came out of the cinema...thinking it was shit...after a night of dreaming and processing the amazing action...i woke up thinking....WOW, that was very awesome...sur eit could've been alot better...and it wasnt as good as the first one...but atleast it isn't shit.

[GoktimusPrime]

No way. He transformed into marbles!
That's a fail alt mode! :p


Bay was stubborn about meeting the release date deadline. The Writers' Strike meant that the 3 writers only had about a month to churn out this "story".

It sucks how they have a release date and a pre-production schedule for a film that hasn't even been written yet!

I just wish they had taken more time and injected some heart into the whole thing. There's nothing wrong with taking a little time... hell, the sequels to Alien and The Terminator came out 6 years or so after the originals, and both are considered superior films!
Yeah, I was expecting TF2 to come out next year as 3 years is the standard time to make a special effects movie... look at the Star Wars saga; OT: 1977-1980-1983, PT: 1999-2002-2005.

Art v. marketing I suppose. (-_-)


-I wanted to see the autobots act on the Presidential order of having to leave the planet because they were the sole reason for the Decepticons presence, after the speech that Optimus gave which was so serious. Otherwise, why include it in the film?
I believe it was there to demonstrate that the alliance between the Autobots and humans was an uneasy one... so that the audience wouldn't believe that they're necessarily the best of friends now. It was interesting to see divisions amongst the humans where some of them (i.e. those who have never fought alongside them) had fear and mistrust of their Autobot allies.

And to be fair, it was a fair question from the President. If he believes that Earth is harbouring extra terrestrial refugees who may be attracting more dangerous extra terrestrials to Earth, then it's not unreasonable to consider telling them to leave and thus removing the danger from Earth. Since the Autobots aren't human I'm assuming that laws regarding granting them asylum would be completely different from those for humans.


-Optimus Prime was a no holds barred bastard at times, who's morals were twisted.
I see him more as being like Dai Atlas from G1 - he's still basically a morally uprighteous individual, but acknowledges that he is in the middle of a war and presents a callous persona on the battlefield, not necessarily out of malice, but out of necessity. G1 Optimus Prime's greatest weakness was always his compassion. So I can see how movie Prime's lack of compassion in battle can make him seem less like Optimus Prime - and indeed this was the main reason why so many fans disliked Dai Atlas - but I don't think it makes him morally conflicted.

A lot of compassionate individuals are forced to commit horrific acts in war. It's a sad reality. I remember one ANZAC saying that he was never proud of his service in WWII - because every enemy soldier he killed meant that he was depriving someone's family of a son, brother or father... each time he killed an enemy he knew he was making more orphans. But he did it because that was his job, but he hated it. At the end of the first movie Prime said to Megatron, "You left me no choice, brother." which indicates that he has a similar mentality; the statement indicates that movie Optimus Prime is still inherently altruistic and still believes that the ends can never justify the means and that he regrets having to do what he must. I don't think it's necessary for RotF to revisit this exposition since it was already established in the first movie.

JMHO. :)


Even though it was still pretty fast, I found some of the robot fighting scenes a bit easier to follow than the first movie. The LA battle in the first movie was nearly impossible to follow with the fast edits.
Also urban combat is more tight-packed and (in a way) chaotic than open-field combat. In RotF we had fights in open jungle and desert. Either way, I'm still a fan of the fast and furious choreography in the TF movies. :)

[TheDirtyDigger]

I think the fights would have been more enjoyable for the audience if we had a lot of Matrix style slo-mo going on.

[GoktimusPrime]

Probably, though that would take up more screen time and require more editting. Definitely possible if they sacrificed other scenes (like maybe less screen time for humans? *cough*) :p

[kup]

Probably, though that would take up more screen time and require more editting. Definitely possible if they sacrificed other scenes (like maybe less screen time for humans? *cough*) :p

Less Screen time for ho Pretenders ;)

[Adzma]

I'm usually all for reading a whole topic before posting but I don't feel like reading 102 posts or so. :p

At any rate, I saw ROTF last night and found it mostly awful with very few highlights. I don't know why, but I always expected this film would fall short of the previous one, but I didn't expect by so far. The jokes were childish and dull, that Leo character or whatever his name is was uneccessary and didn't require half the screen time he had. I don't like the idea of Megatron answering to another person who he calls master, and Starscream was reduced to some sort of sniveling Igor character. I think 2 and a half hours was really too long for this movie, it felt like the majority of it was just drawn out and didn't do much to push the story along. The Transformers were still not featured nearly enough, if I want to see a movie about humans, I'll go watch a movie about humans, you know, every other movie in the world.

On the other hand, the fight scenes between the Transformers were good, although there was a little too much Michael Bay here and there, but we just have to accept that. The little remote controlled truck character was good for a few laughs, although it was odd how he just disappeared near the end and was never mentioned again, and it was good to hear Frank Welker doing Soundwave even if it didn't have the filters it should have.

Overall I was far from impressed. I just hope they correct all these problems for the third film.

*Rant over* ;)

Thanks for your time anyway, I needed to vent somewhere.

[Robzy]

I think 2 and a half hours was really too long for this movie, it felt like the majority of it was just drawn out and didn't do much to push the story along.Yeah, waaaayyyy too long for a film that was 60% unnecessary fluff!



The Transformers were still not featured nearly enough, if I want to see a movie about humans, I'll go watch a movie about humans, you know, every other movie in the world. This could well be... QUOTE OF THE YEAR!!!


Overall I was far from impressed. I just hope they correct all these problems for the third film.That's what we were all hoping for the second film... prepare to be disappointed again! ;)


The jokes were childish and dull, that Leo character or whatever his name is was uneccessary and didn't require half the screen time he had.

Oh, but wait... have you read the news here (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/ramon-rodriguez-to-return-for-transformers-3-168041/) yet? Apparently he'll be back, with a much bigger and "meatier" role.... :rolleyes:

[Adzma]

The jokes were childish and dull, that Leo character or whatever his name is was uneccessary and didn't require half the screen time he had.
Oh, but wait... have you read the news here (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/ramon-rodriguez-to-return-for-transformers-3-168041/) yet? Apparently he'll be back, with a much bigger and "meatier" role.... :rolleyes:
Hmm... they say a picture is worth a thousand words, so by that logic, allow me to submit my feelings to you via a two thousand word essay.

*Ahem*

http://bestsmileys.com/computer1/18.gif http://bestsmileys.com/crying/2.gif

[TheDirtyDigger]

Most Honest Review Yet! (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1)

[bruticus]

wtf is with all the constructicon clones?.... longhaul was fighting the humans in the dessert but another Longhaul was connected as devastator ripping up the pyramid... sheesh, I know its cheaper for them re-use CG animation models than to make new ones and they prolly reckon ordinary viewers wont be able to tell the difference but FFS ppl!!! what a fn let down...


I'll watch it again and buy the DVD, but more because I'm a collector than because I love the film.

+1


well after their tangle with Devvy, I'll bet they would have iced the Fallen with zero effort.

So dev was a multi coloured, weak a** pansy who got owned by two in-bred twins and a one hit wonder human made weapon.
Fark, MBay made Devastator suck so much figuratively and literally!!!


Jolt, was purely there to help Prime merge with Jetfires parts (which prime immediately shed post battle, how nice Prime!)

Yeah, Prime was a real b*stard hey...what an ungrateful mofo...



Alice was a bit of a shock, I didn't remember her dying in the other movie.

Alice was in the first movie?? erm, i think you are confusing with Rachel Taylor (AKA Maggie the CIA noob) or am i mistaken by your comment?


I think they just rushed it IMO.

I'm sick of people saying that I just need to turn my brain off to watch this film... that's like asking me to rip out my tongue and then try and enjoy a meal.

Defn rushed.
Sh*t, when you are in deep as a TF fan, you cant even switch your brain off even if you wanted to...


Even though it was still pretty fast, I found some of the robot fighting scenes a bit easier to follow than the first movie.

Yeah, probably the only positive comment i'll make is that the key action sequences did get slowed down so people can follow on the big screens this time around...


Most Honest Review Yet! (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1)

All the review comments are so f'n true...hahahaha...pure gold!!

"...We're told the Decepticons are "doing things," but they appear to be hiding peacefully when the Autobots show up and brutally murder them..."

Anyways, defn way too many humans in whats meant to be a movie abt transforming robots...

[jaydisc]

Most Honest Review Yet! (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1)

That was great!

[GoktimusPrime]

that Leo character or whatever his name is was uneccessary and didn't require half the screen time he had.
Yeah, he's like the RotF equivalent of G1 Wheelie and Daniel (or Jar Jar Binks in The Phantom Menace) -- characters who get lots of screen time but their appearances, for the most part, contribute nothing to the advancement of the story. Suck. :(


Oh, but wait... have you read the news here yet? Apparently he'll be back, with a much bigger and "meatier" role....
If a 'meatier' role means that he'll actually become more useful instead of being dragged around like a fifth wheel, then that would be a good thing!


Sh*t, when you are in deep as a TF fan, you cant even switch your brain off even if you wanted to...
So you don't switch your brain off when you watch the G1 cartoon?! :D I think the movies capture the spirit of the G1 cartoon very well; warts and all. :)

Little wonder that so many G1 fans preferred the Marvel comics over the cartoon series. ;)

[Sky Shadow]

Most Honest Review Yet! (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1)

Genius. So... many... plotholes.

[Kayyasha]

wtf is with all the constructicon clones?.... longhaul was fighting the humans in the dessert but another Longhaul was connected as devastator ripping up the pyramid... sheesh, I know its cheaper for them re-use CG animation models than to make new ones and they prolly reckon ordinary viewers wont be able to tell the difference but FFS ppl!!! what a fn let down...


And what upsets me most about this is instead of re-using the Starscream and Jetfire models to give us the Decepticon air-force they deceided to stick in more Constructicons. Surely a different metal colour texture could have been used on the jets to give us Starscream's trine and the Coneheads?

[Paulbot]

Best quote I've seen about the Constructicon clones was in Dave Van Domelen's review (http://www.eyrie.org/~dvandom/BW/RotF/MovieReview): "I figure Megatron bought two sets, one to display combined and one to display individually" :D

[jaydisc]

I will point out that I don't have issue with Alice being at the Uni, like many do. It's not like they had to really enroll her. Anyone can show up and pretend they live in a dorm and show up to a random class.


Best quote I've seen about the Constructicon clones was in Dave Van Domelen's review (http://www.eyrie.org/~dvandom/BW/RotF/MovieReview): "I figure Megatron bought two sets, one to display combined and one to display individually" :D

That is gold! :D

[Adzma]

Most Honest Review Yet! (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1)
This is pure genius. :D

[jacksplatt11]

Haha that review is spot on, so many plot holes, god it's rubbish

[kurdt_the_goat]

I too was disappointed that multiple's of the constructicons appeared at the end.. they could have easily had barricade killed at the start, which would leave sideways to appear at the end.. but i guess they would still need a few more apart from the protoforms.

I didn't mind that Devastator got trounced - if you look at it like an episode of G1, it's not like he didn't get beaten easily lots of times there!

The issue the movie makers face is that The Fallen and to some degree Megatron have got to be seen as the main/end villain, despite clearly not being the strongest Decepticon - simply because the fans demanded Devastator's inclusion.

Introducing an 'unstoppable' character like Devastator is always going to require the deus ex machina device to take him out. For everyone complaining, how do you think they might handle a possible Unicron's defeat in the 3rd movie? Would you be complaining if it was just opening the Matrix like in the 1986 movie? It's just because it's live action that it seems unrealistic/disappointing to take down the big boy with one simple move.

In this sense, i think it was good that they showed Devastator was largely immobile, lending credence to the idea that he could be defeated despite his immense size.

I guess they could have made it more realistic by having an Autobot combiner defeat Devastator, but considering the amount of CGI already, it's not surprising they didn't have time or budget to do that.

[Bartrim]

That reviewer contradicted himself about 3 times on my first count:rolleyes:

[Robzy]

Most Honest Review Yet! (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1)
That is brilliant! I'm laughing my a*** off! :D


That reviewer contradicted himself about 3 times on my first count:rolleyes:In what ways?

[Dylbot]

I was laughing my @ss off at the bit about the poor decepticons being brutally murdered. I can picture poor demolisher now, eager to work as an excavator, untill those god-dam autobots showed up!

[jgon2098]

Saw it again on imax today with my family. I found it much better this time. I don't know why, probably less hype/expectation, more focused.

Still found it near-impossible to follow the 1on1 fighting scenes. They should've considered slowing the frame rate down. Was more tolerant on the roomate this time but still found him near uesless.

[GoktimusPrime]

Still found it near-impossible to follow the 1on1 fighting scenes.
Which is what real fights should look like. Much more realistic and enjoyable for me compared to any of those fancy-prancy Modern Wushu crap that comes out of China/Hong Kong.

I once visited the Wong Fei Hong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Fei_Hung) so-called school in Foshan and watched a demonstration there. It was terrible - lots of crowd-pleasing acrobatics that was entertaining to look at, but completely impractical. Realistic fight moves should look messy and chaotic; I once heard a Kung Fu teacher quote Buzz Lightyear in describing what martial arts should be like - it's not flying but falling with style. <--best description ever! :)

Crap...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/China/th_china_foshan_wushu9a.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/China/china_foshan_wushu9a.jpg)

More crap...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/China/th_china_foshan_wushu9b.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/China/china_foshan_wushu9b.jpg)

He's flipping mad! :p
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/China/th_china_foshan_wushu9.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/China/china_foshan_wushu9.jpg)http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/th_facepalm.jpg

[Bartrim]

In what ways?

Contradict was the wrong word. Actually I counted one contradiction and 3 supposed "plot holes" that are explained to anyone with open eyes.

in his first answer he states that there is some yellow robot who he "thinks is Bumblebee. Then for the rest of the article he refers to him as Bumblebee. So does he know it's Bumblebee or he's not sure or is he just being a smart arse?

He complains about Sams hand injury not being explained but you can see when he gets out of the space bridge his hand is all burnt and he is clutching it.

Whats his gripe with Bumblebee being a mute? It was explained in te first movie and yes I am aware that he spoke at the end of that movie but still it is explained in this movie that he is still having voice problems.

Lastly he can't work out why the other Autobots can't get in touch with Sam. Is this guy a 3 year old? Yes it is not explained word for word but it's pretty bloody obvious that Sam is not communicating with the others as he is trying to stay off the radar.

Yes the movie has some plotholes like why use Sams all spark shard to revive Jetfire andnot Optimus and why do Sam and Mikalea run to the autobots in Egypt when the have a Camaro with them but overall it just sounds like this guy is a smart arse and nothing more.

[GoktimusPrime]

Yes the movie has some plotholes like why use Sams all spark shard to revive Jetfire andnot Optimus
They needed someone who could read the language of the Primes - it's not certain if Optimus Prime, being of the last generation of Primes, is able to read this incredibly ancient language or not (certainly this wasn't communicated to Sam).

[kurdt_the_goat]

It's not explicit that the good guys realise the shard can revive a dead Transformer ala Megatron, rather than a sleeping one (was that how they referred to Jetfire's state, i can't remember?) And even if they did, they don't strike me as the type of robots that would savage one of their own to revive the leader!

If they just revived Optimus Prime with the shard, it's likely that half the story would be totally different - why would they need Simmons? How would they introduce Jetfire at all, where would the mythology of the matrix come into it etc.

[The_Damned]

i dont understand all the hoopla about optimus prime wasnt he pretty savage in the 86 animated movie running over and killing quite a few deepticon before the fight with megatron??:confused:

btw

i loved the movie and thought it was awesome, was initially shocked at how ineffective devastator was but some1 pointed out to me that he achieved his purpose in the movie and that was to reveal the machine and i am not really a religious person but you could always take in the lesson of david and Goliath as david took out Goliath, with a rail gun :rolleyes: .

[Robzy]

was initially shocked at how ineffective devastator was but some1 pointed out to me that he achieved his purpose in the movie and that was to reveal the machine and i am not really a religious person but you could always take in the lesson of david and Goliath as david took out Goliath, with a rail gun

I like how Gutsman put it the other day... Devastator was killed by an off-screen cannon! (Lame :rolleyes:)

[Kalixis]

Just came back from seeing it; really disappointing. I didn't walk in expecting The Dark Knight but damn... i'm glad I used a movie voucher and not real currency to get my ticket.

I'm glad I could focus on more of the battle scenes this time as opposed to TF1, and the prime battle was great, but I'm afraid I can't say much else was. The Fallen was laughable (WW The Fallen kthx), Alice was more terminator than pretender, the twins should've been scrapped (was actually happy when i thought devestator took one out... sigh. can't trust a 'con to do anything right), Jetfire was disappointing, the humour was poor... oh I'll stop there. As a movie fan, i'm disappointed. As a TF fan, I'm disappointed.

Very tempted to skip TF3 at the cinema and wait for the DVD instead. Then watch it with finger poised over the fast forward button.

[Kyle]

It's not explicit that the good guys realise the shard can revive a dead Transformer ala Megatron, rather than a sleeping one (was that how they referred to Jetfire's state, i can't remember?) And even if they did, they don't strike me as the type of robots that would savage one of their own to revive the leader!

If they just revived Optimus Prime with the shard, it's likely that half the story would be totally different - why would they need Simmons? How would they introduce Jetfire at all, where would the mythology of the matrix come into it etc.

I agree. The Fallen (and hence his Decepticons) would have had knowledge about the Allspark Cube that the Autobots didn't have.

[Hereticpoo]

Finally saw it....my mind is numb from trying to make sense of the plot. Its a whole new level of Fracked Up. I think the script writers were dropping acid directly into their tear ducts when they devised the plot. Rent it. :confused:

[GoktimusPrime]

BWTF's review (http://www.bwtf.com/movies/rotf/) :)

[Defcon]

That review was balanced and reasonable. Alot of reviews seem to pick the movie to pieces so much so that it comes across as all negative.

[STL]

That review was balanced and reasonable. Alot of reviews seem to pick the movie to pieces so much so that it comes across as all negative.

There's plenty of holes in it but I came in expectign that. I wasn't expecting strong Transformers characterisation or anything. Just expected a brainless, soulless 2.5 hours of action with some good moments. I think if you expected more you would be disappointed.

That's not to say of course you shouldn't expect more. But I guess in my case, I was resigned to the fact that I knew it would be average and disappointing so I lowered my expectations accordingly to reduce disappointment.

It's sad but it works. If I wasn't a TF fan I don't think I would've been disappointed b/c going in all I wanted was splash, bang, gratuitous T&A and slapstick. And the vast majority of my non-TF friends have all enjoyed it.

[Gutsman Heavy]

Am I the only one who didn't like the action in ROTF? I thought TF1 had much better scenes, Blackouts opening attack, Barricade and BB chase, Bring the rain, Prime v Bonecrusher & City Shootout.

ROTF (IMO) had nothing in comparison! The Shanghai Opener was ok, I felt the forrest battle boring, and the big last battle was rather dull. The only bit I really like was Ravage, and that was too short and had the lame-ass fur ball-bot thing doing Ravages job, he should have infiltrated, not his vomit!

[loophole]

Am I the only one who didn't like the action in ROTF? I thought TF1 had much better scenes, Blackouts opening attack, Barricade and BB chase, Bring the rain, Prime v Bonecrusher & City Shootout.

ROTF (IMO) had nothing in comparison! The Shanghai Opener was ok, I felt the forrest battle boring, and the big last battle was rather dull. The only bit I really like was Ravage, and that was too short and had the lame-ass fur ball-bot thing doing Ravages job, he should have infiltrated, not his vomit!

i pretty much agree with all that but i liked the forests scene i know it was pretty generic fighting scene but it did have BFR in it and yes i did think the last battle scene was pretty dull the one from the first movie was waaaaay better

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

The first one ticked me off, I'm only interested in this one to see how much worse Michael "I-only-took-the-gig-'cos-it-was-about-a-boy-and-his-first-car" Bay can stuff it up. Mr Explosions didn't want to do a movie about giant transforming robots but did like the boy/car buddy flick angle? Odie = vindicated.
To everyone who went into this expecting anything but what STL so aptly described, I'd just like to say: Bwahahahaha!
Cheap, cheesy, low-brow jokes are easy... how about something for those of us who like to think? :rolleyes:BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sorry, it's gotta be said.

Sh*t, when you are in deep as a TF fan, you cant even switch your brain off even if you wanted to...

So you don't switch your brain off when you watch the G1 cartoon?! :D Pretty much. If I try watching anything other than BW or Animated with my head turned on I 1: get a headache and 2: start feeling depressed over how much time, energy and money I've poured into this hobby/addiction. Seriously, do not turn to Transformers for intellectual depth, it's not what they're about (i.e. selling toys) and with very few exceptions you will be disappointed.
That honest review was great, if I can get baked enough and find some fellow not-emotionally-invested fans it sounds like a fun movie.

[GoktimusPrime]

If people want more intellectually stimulating Transformers stories, then they should go read the comics or watch Beast Wars or Beast Machines... parts of Animated. I don't watch any of Michael Bay's movies expecting to get something deep out of them. ;)

[Dylbot]

Did anyone notice devs was drunk or something. When he combines he tries to lift his head the first time, but it falls down.

[SentinelPrime]

i agree.

from a transformers fan prospective the movie sucked.

michael bay should be shot!

i retract my first statement... after watching it a 2nd and 3rd time... i enjoyed it. especially seeing the special effects again and making sense of what happened in fight sences.

micheal bay should still be shot! for the bad humor!

[GoktimusPrime]

A discussion I had with dirge last night: do you think the forced humour was from Bay or from some Paramount studio exec? dirge brought up the interesting argument that Michael Bay's other films lack the kind of purile and juvenile humour that we see in Transformers.

I thought of Bad Boys, which I really like and find quite funny - and yeah, none of the humour in that movie was forced like in Transformers. So it seems to be out of character for Bay to do something like this, and neither is it in the nature of Orci or Kurtzman because it doesn't appear in Star Trek (I'm not familiar with any other material they've written). So it's made me ponder as to whether it might've been some other studio exec who decided to chuck this stuff in.

If so, that person deserves a kick in the janglies.

"No, YOU freeze, b***h! Now, back up. Put down the gun. And give me some Tropical Fruit Bubblicious."
"And some skittles!"
- Bad Boys

[kup]

A discussion I had with dirge last night: do you think the forced humour was from Bay or from some Paramount studio exec? dirge brought up the interesting argument that Michael Bay's other films lack the kind of purile and juvenile humour that we see in Transformers.

I thought of Bad Boys, which I really like and find quite funny - and yeah, none of the humour in that movie was forced like in Transformers. So it seems to be out of character for Bay to do something like this, and neither is it in the nature of Orci or Kurtzman because it doesn't appear in Star Trek (I'm not familiar with any other material they've written). So it's made me ponder as to whether it might've been some other studio exec who decided to chuck this stuff in.

If so, that person deserves a kick in the janglies.

"No, YOU freeze, b***h! Now, back up. Put down the gun. And give me some Tropical Fruit Bubblicious."
"And some skittles!"
- Bad Boys

In the Don Murphy board, Roberto Orci said that much of the humor was Bay's ideas including the whole concept of the twins. It was interesting as the way he worded it sounded as if he was trying to distance himself from Bay's 'improvements'.

I will give a link once I find it as the Roberto Orci thread grows several pages per day.

[kup]

Here we go:


Cole: I heard that the gold tooth was Michael Bay’s idea, but do you have any response to those who found The Twins offensive?

Orci: Number one, we sympathize. Yes, the gold tooth was not in the script, that’s true.

Kurtzman: It’s really hard for us to sit here and try to justify it.I think that would be very foolish, and if someone wants to be offended by it, it’s their right. We were very surprised when we saw it, too, and it’s a choice that was made. If anything, it just shows you that we don’t control every aspect of the movie.

Cole: Were you offended by them?

Kurtzman: I wasn’t thrilled. I certainly wasn’t thrilled.

Orci: Yeah, same reaction. I’m not easily offended, but when I saw it, I thought, ‘Someone’s gonna write about that.’”

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/orci-and-kurtzman-respond-to-claims-of-racism-in-transformers-2.php

More:

From DM.NET:

Originally Posted by boag:
Wait what, I thought Bob said in the Aint It Shit News Site that everyone was responsible for the twins

Orci:
We are, but they were his idea.


Originally Posted by Wankertron:

Hey Bob,

This isn't a dig, it's a genuine question.

Who's idea was it to include questionable language in the robot's dialogue? I refer to Wheelie calling people "bitch", and the twins coming out with "pussy". I'm sure there were other examples which now escape me.

Don't get me wrong - I'm no prude and I don't want to sound like an old man ( I actually sniggered when Jetfire says "bollocks!"), but my 7 year old nephew LOVES Transformers, and he's seen both the movies now. And kids are impressionable, especially around that age. I'd hate for him to begin repeating this stuff.

It's one thing for a kid to repeat bad language after watching, for instance, a Schwarzenegger movie. Because then one can say "Well, what were they doing watching that?", and the blame can be laid elsewhere. But In Transformers? A movie designed for kids?

I felt it was inappropriate. What's your take?

From Orci:

Those examples were improvised or added by Michael. We actually arm wrestled about it. I think it's appropriate barely as you approach 13. If we had final cut, those lines would not be in the movie. But I'm not going to cry that Michael left them in, or condemn him. Can't argue with results, right? Certainly the first movie walked the line, and there's been no false advertising, or at least not MUCH !

http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?p=1379074#post1379074

[Gutsman Heavy]

I thought of Bad Boys, which I really like and find quite funny - and yeah, none of the humour in that movie was forced like in Transformers.

Bad Boys 2 rat sex begs to differ!

[sanbot]

Finally went and saw the movie. Was gonna watch it at IMAX but all sessions to all movies were booked out for the night.

Anyway, i went in not expecting much. I left expecting my money back.

Seriously though, the fact that I had little expectations yet am disappointed says a lot. Maybe I'm too biased towards the cartoons. But a Transformers movie which seems to lack Transformer scenes just doesn't seem right.

A friend told me the movie can be summed up into two things. Megan Fox and a giant garbage compactor! :p

Although, I did like the fight scene in the forest. Optimus was pure awesomeness.

BTW why did they make Jetfire an old guy? Robots can be old but they arn't supposed to age and grow wiskers/moustaches?! You don't see the Fallen walking around with a grandpa stick and farting out every few seconds?

[Ironhide63]

ok...the movie was good...it was even...possibly awesome, but it should've been alot better. I would've been happy if they delayed it...or even from the start, took atleast 3 years, to develop a decent plot. The only ace scene was the forest fight. Most of the plot can be made sense of, but you really have to think about it, why is Jetfire old and have whiskers? lack of energon. I personally dont think we should have to think that much. And im extremely dissapointed they didnt explain the grindor/blackout bot. sure WE know its grindor but the rest of the world dont. they also needed to spend more time on soundwave. they reused shots of him, which I thought was lazy. The twins were good, you could've skipped simmons, and leo was an unnecessary addition. i think the humans weren't needed. we need more of the first five minutes and/or the forest scene...because for me, the NEST scenes and optimus vs 3 badies just nailed it for me. and now i shall finish with...GIVE ME YOUR FACE...its gonna be ma new quote.

[shokwave2]

It feels like Bay rushed the film. It's like he spent too much time on the awesome CGI and didn't have enough time to put all the scenes together, which is why it jumps all over the place and is full of inconsistencies. Can't wait to buy on DVD though. If someone had the time and skill at home, it would be a good project to cut and paste into a fan edit.

[dirge]

I think the movies capture the spirit of the G1 cartoon very well; warts and all.

Unlike ROTF, the G1 cartoon provides something called entertainment. And it does so without referring to scrotums :)

The scary thing is that the G1 cartoon is specifically created for children while ROTF is created for a broader audience, but the G1 cartoon is more mature in many ways (certainly the humour is far less purile).

[Robzy]

Anyway, i went in not expecting much. I left expecting my money back.

Seriously though, the fact that I had little expectations yet am disappointed says a lot. This is EXACTLY how I felt! So, so sad!


It feels like Bay rushed the film. Yep... Mr stubborn-I'm gonna get my big explosions filled film out no matter what-screw the Writers' Strike-Bay has done it again! :rolleyes:


Unlike ROTF, the G1 cartoon provides something called entertainment. And it does so without referring to scrotums :)

The scary thing is that the G1 cartoon is specifically created for children while ROTF is created for a broader audience, but the G1 cartoon is more mature in many ways (certainly the humour is far less purile).This! All this!

[GoktimusPrime]

Bad Boys 2 rat sex begs to differ!

I like Bad Boys, but I'm not a fan of Bad Boys II.

[sideswipes brother]

Didn't like the movie and here's why.

Optimus Prime shoots a helpless beaten Decepticon in the head to finish him?? You must be kidding me, right? Op would NEVER do that.
Megatron taking orders obediently from the Fallen like hes a lackey?? You must be kidding me!!
Constructicons coming out of the wood works left, right and center?? WTF??
An old bot with a cane...why doesnt some one just friggin repair him??
In the first movie Optimus could barely handle Megatron in the finale fight scene yet in the forest scene he almost beats 3 of them including Megs???
Cool action scenes and all that crap but personally all the characters sucked balls!

[GoktimusPrime]

I take it you won't be buying the DVD then. ;)

[rampagesss]

Just wondering what came first, The fallen and his brothers landing on earth and making the Pyramid / weapon to destroy the sun

Or the all spark landing on earth?

[GoktimusPrime]

The Fallen built the Star Harvester on Earth approximately 6900 years before the arrival of the AllSpark and Megatron.

Here's how I worked it out:
+ The Fallen built the Star Harvester in Egypt in approx. 17000BCE
+ Megatron and the AllSpark was discovered by humans in 1913CE
+ Carbon dating tests indicate that the Cube landed on Earth approx. 12000 years prior to 1913
+ This means that the Cube came to Earth in approx. 10,087BCE (6913 years after 17000BCE).

[rampagesss]

^^ wow thanks for working that out, i was trying to but maths was never my best subject :o

[heroic_decepticon]

I've not been around much lately, BUT I did go and see ROTF, afterwhich I felt I have to post something here to register my dislike, nay, distaste for what was a 2+ hour clusterf**k with unintelligible dialogue and very very crude attempts at comedy.

ROTF was... soul-crushingly disgraceful. Almost makes me want to hide in a hole and declare myself a Go-Bots fan.

I was quite the supporter of Michael Bay for the first movie on the basis of some of his past movies (among them The Rock and Armageddon) that I like, but ROTF has got to be a new low (if not rock bottom).

[liegeprime]

I got bored watching the movie. Feel ripped off paying $17 for this.. this "movie":mad:

[Orphanstar]

Here's some comments I made on another site. I was also somewhat disappointed. It could have been worse, but it also could have been a lot better.

An essentially weak plot; a whole load of side stories and unnecessary characters which one got the impression were there for special effects demo and future toy sales
Too much like it was trying to morph into Star Wars – “my apprentice” and cutesy Spielbergish type characters
General characterisation was poor. Best were Starscream, Bumblebee and Simmonds.
Arcee and Sideswipe awesome – but you hardly saw them. Ditto Scorponok.
Ravage was great – and at least had more than a bit part.
The twins were ghastly. And the names! At least there was only one of Jar Jar Binks. I know the movies couldn’t be expected to follow G1 by the letter but if there were going to be twins in there at all then it should have been Sunstreaker and Sideswipe, surely. If nothing else I wouldn’t have cringed in my seat.
Starscream’s paint job was fabulous. Starscream was fabulous. But where were TC and Skywarp? I can’t believe they brought out the toys and then didn’t put them in the movie
The hatchling concept was fascinating. Hatchling is a better word than Sparkling. Interesting to see what the FanFiction world makes of it. Scene with Screamer dragging the dead one around very surreal.
Some of the human stuff was embarrassing – ie the pitiful scene where Sam’s Mum gets stoned and where Wheelie ruts Michaela’s leg and she says to Sam “at least he’s faithful.” Please!
Sam’s parents come across as goofballs and that was a shame. I couldn’t really work out how they happened to be at the pyramids either
Ending inconclusive and too many characters just disappeared
Megatron was a shadow of his former self. He had no balls (a topical analogy - the movie makers were obsessed with the latter, apparently)
That was clever of Jetfire, knocking up a spacebridge just like that
At least we know Transformers do cry actual tears now. I needn’t have bothered with the thread on the subject!
Best line in the movie: “Starscream, I’m home!” That kind of made it worthwhile!!

[GoktimusPrime]

I can’t believe they brought out the toys and then didn’t put them in the movie
Unlike most other Transformers series, the characters who appear in the movies are developed _before_ the toys. i.e.: they're developed by Paramount as movie characters first, and then HasTak goes and engineers them into toys. All other toys in the movie line that don't appear in the films are toys that Hasbro then goes and makes to offer more toys/make more money, but that's got nothing to do with Paramount with a _few_ exceptions like:
+ Movie 1 Arcee (based on an abandoned concept design)
+ Wreckage (also an abandoned concept design for the first movie)
+ Characters with alt modes from the movie (e.g.: Landmine, Longarm etc.)

The movie Skywarp and Thundercracker toys were developed by Hasbro independent from Paramount. The movies are not like most other TF series which primarily exist to sell HasTak's toys - the movies were made as movies, and HasTak then made toys as merchandise for these movies, like other movie toys (e.g.: Star Wars, Dark Knight, Terminator etc.)


Hatchling is a better word than Sparkling.
I've never heard of the term "Sparkling" used in Transformers before. But I agree, "Hatchling" does sound better than that. When I hear 'sparkling' I think of white wine or something that glitters. :)


Some of the human stuff was embarrassing – ie the pitiful scene where Sam’s Mum gets stoned and where Wheelie ruts Michaela’s leg and she says to Sam “at least he’s faithful.” Please!
+1. The stoned scene was the _worst_ for me. (T_T)


Sam’s parents come across as goofballs and that was a shame. I couldn’t really work out how they happened to be at the pyramids either
The Constructicons captured them in Paris.


* Best line in the movie: “Starscream, I’m home!” That kind of made it worthwhile!!
Yeah, not ALL the humour sucked. There were some actual funny moments. :) Check out the thread about what we do like about RotF here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=5171) :)

[16364279]

i wanted to walk out, i didnt like it.

maybe coz i had a lot of g1's waiting to be picked up from the post office.

but i wouldnt watch it again at the movies, dvd or tv

[heroic_decepticon]

i wanted to walk out, i didnt like it.

*snip

but i wouldnt watch it again at the movies, dvd or tv

+ 1

I would have to be paid/threatened at gun point to sit through ROTF again.

[Gutsman Heavy]

The Constructicons captured them in Paris.


I thought Soundwave did, since they were captured after he started to descend into earth, I could easily be wrong thanks to the horrific editing, that made it hard to follow that the hell was happening!

[dirge]

I was under the impression Soundwave was hooked up to the satellite to the end of the film, and never came down to Earth?

[kup]

I was under the impression Soundwave was hooked up to the satellite to the end of the film, and never came down to Earth?

Bay forgot he existed by the end of the movie so he simply 'vanished' just like Wheelie or Barricade in the first film.

[RageOnTheRoads]

Bay forgot he existed by the end of the movie so he simply 'vanished' just like Wheelie or Barricade in the first film.

mmmm. I think we should dub this the Bay void. Poor helpless characters get sucked in and are never heard of again. I fear that Arcee, wheelie and Jolt maybe at the event horizon of the Bay void as we speak.

[dirge]

I'm not sure that Jolt ever left the Bay void - poor dude had no lines and about 3 seconds of screen time. Even Leo's techhead mates had more screentime.

[RageOnTheRoads]

I'm not sure that Jolt ever left the Bay void - poor dude had no lines and about 3 seconds of screen time. Even Leo's techhead mates had more screentime.

lol, true. An while we're at it lets add Mixmaster... and the rest of the Constructicons, blink and you miss them too. The funny thing is, if you aren't a G1 fan, and don't collect, you wouldn't have the foggiest clue who over half the movie formers are. I mean it's not like the good M Bay even bothered to mention at any point that they are the constructicons, or gave us you know, names and personalities to identify them with. Poor little guys. :p

Ps if anyone wants a good laugh search Michael Bay, south Park. :D

[dirge]

I mean it's not like the good M Bay even bothered to mention at any point that they are the constructicons, or gave us you know, names and personalities to identify them with. Poor little guys. :p


Well, they were here to help The Fallen destroy the planet and all. So I don't think "poor little guys" is quite the term I'd use.

But you're right, Bay did a terrible job of showcasing the Decepticons. Forget characterisation, Long Haul & Mixmaster needed to be characters, period :(