Bruticus mold issues

[Fungal Infection]

Seems like the latest Encore is suffering from mold degradation:

Linky (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generation-1-1/mold-issues-for-takara-tomy-encore-16-bruticus-168223/)

And it also contains NO metal!! :mad:

[kup]

Seems like the latest Encore is suffering from mold degradation:

Linky (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generation-1-1/mold-issues-for-takara-tomy-encore-16-bruticus-168223/)

And it also contains NO metal!! :mad:

The no metal is the most disappointing part but the mold degradation seems rather minor - I think most of the issues are arising from a choice to use lower quality plastic than the original and a silly choice to force G1 cartoon colors.

[TF76]

I have no issues with it so far.

My brawl (Classics reissue) looks pretty much the same, all toys look crap in close ups to me anyway. I hope it is as good as it seems, I think if it's up to standard with the club Seacons, ill be happy.

I did expect metal but most of it is covered with stickers, it chips and stuff, whatever. That said I don't see much difference between it and an other plastic version I have seen.

Seems typical encore quality to me, I agree with Kup it think it is more to do with materials choice (not even being poor quality) and manufacturing rather than just the mold.

[Sky Shadow]

Ew, mould degradation. And on this oh-so-rarely-used mould? <Gasp!> I'm astonished! :p;)

No metal, but it looks like it does contain a working launcher for Onslaught, however. I'm thankful for small mercies.

[kup]

What launcher?

[omegaprime]

Ew, mould degradation. And on this oh-so-rarely-used mould? <Gasp!> I'm astonished! :p;)

No metal, but it looks like it does contain a working launcher for Onslaught, however. I'm thankful for small mercies.

lol i know its amazing isnt it lol:)

[Sky Shadow]

What launcher?

The launcher for his base mode that can fire... say... Swindle down his ramp.

[kup]

The launcher for his base mode that can fire... say... Swindle down his ramp.

ah, I know what you mean now. For a moment I thought of missiles or something.:o

[TF76]

I still want an original metal version, so being different is good for me anyway.

Jazz is the only encore I didn't like, just didnt feel like jazz.

[Zippo]

Im not liking the mold wear, but I can live with it.
What I am not liking however is the fact that Takara have failed to place a WINDOW in the box.

[GoktimusPrime]

Mould degradation is expected considering how damn overused this mould has been - but from those pictures it really looks negligible for me. The lack of metal doesn't concern me at all -- when I got reissue Predaking I was like, "oh okay - it's metal" -- it was neat, but I would've also happily accepted it in plastic too (Headstrong would be easier to stand - the metal version is way too back heavy).


a silly choice to force G1 cartoon colors.
I don't think it's a silly choice. Don't get me wrong - I hate these cartoon colours... but considering how many collectors out there PINE for "show accuracy", I don't blame TakaraTOMY for doing it. I hope all the fans of "show accuracy" are happy with this... another reissue whose colours have been ruined for the sake of show likeness where toy-accurate colours would've been so much nicer (oh Encore Trailbreaker... how you should've been reissued with beautiful toy-accurate red eyes - I weep for you)

[TheDirtyDigger]

I prefer the original over the reissue anyway. I'll probably pass this one up.

[kurdt_the_goat]

I don't think it's a silly choice. Don't get me wrong - I hate these cartoon colours... but considering how many collectors out there PINE for "show accuracy", I don't blame TakaraTOMY for doing it. I hope all the fans of "show accuracy" are happy with this... another reissue whose colours have been ruined for the sake of show likeness where toy-accurate colours would've been so much nicer (oh Encore Trailbreaker... how you should've been reissued with beautiful toy-accurate red eyes - I weep for you)

Yeah, it's not unheard of for the Encore line - Optimus and Soundwave had slightly different shades and Starscream had the tinted canopy all in the interest of more cartoon accuracy.

[dirge]

The mould degradation is to be expected, as Skyshadow pointed out. But yeah, metal would have been nice. No matter - I have an original set anyway and didn't order this lot.

On the upside, the purple chest on Swindle will please many (the plastic chest of the original was grey, only the metal chested version had purple).

[reillyd]

For that pricepoint, I'm not surprised no metal. He's cheaper than Predaking at least.

[Gutsman Heavy]

the lack of diecast is disappointing but I can happily live without it. New colours look pretty good.

[Sky Shadow]

On the upside, the purple chest on Swindle will please many (the plastic chest of the original was grey, only the metal chested version had purple).

It would be interesting if Swindle's chest was purple, but on these photos it's still grey, isn't it?

[dirge]

It would be interesting if Swindle's chest was purple, but on these photos it's still grey, isn't it?

Looks purple to me. We'll find out soon enough, I guess.

[bruticus]

hahaha.....
from the title of the thread, i actually thought that the encore bruticus was suffering from mold/mould (due to fungus etc) which can actually happen in high humidity countries...

-degradation of the cast molds was expected for this encore.
-No die cast parts was also expected for the price they are charging.
-But that thing that looks like a working launcher for onslaught is a pleasant surprise....
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=22015

[GoktimusPrime]

I prefer the original over the reissue anyway. I'll probably pass this one up.
I already have all the original Combaticons. But I'm missing some Bruticus parts. I spent close to $100 hunting down and buying parts for Computron, so I figured that for a bit more, I might as well get a whole reissue of Bruticus. This way I get all the gestalt parts and all weapons (which would also cost me quite a bit to obtain separately). The Combaticons themselves are a bonus for me. :)


Yeah, it's not unheard of for the Encore line - Optimus and Soundwave had slightly different shades and Starscream had the tinted canopy all in the interest of more cartoon accuracy.
I think those different shades are more coincidental. New Year Convoy had blue eyes (blue windows too - but that's more coincidental as he's a basically reissue of Goodbye Convoy which had blue windows), which was obviously done for show-likeness; TFC Starscream has the most show-accurate colours.

New Year Convoy & TFC Starscream
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/Photocomic%20Transformers%20The%20Movie/th_photocomic_tftm0005.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/Photocomic%20Transformers%20The%20Movie/photocomic_tftm0005.jpg)

[AussieJason]

It doesn't look too bad.

In fact Swindle isn't too far from my G1 plastic chest one.

[roller]

good

they got the colours right

any idea of Aust. price?

[kup]

good

they got the colours right

any idea of Aust. price?

Aus Price? Do you mean a local retailer? If you do then expect to pay like $300 for one as most local sellers inflate the prices to ridiculous levels.

[Sky Shadow]

good

they got the colours right

any idea of Aust. price?

I paid $85AU before postage - it was about $100AU shipped.

[TheDirtyDigger]

I paid $85AU before postage - it was about $100AU shipped.

May we ask where from?

[Bartrim]

It's about $100+shipping from BBTS. I will be buying one just not sure where from and when (depending on sales, exchange rate etc)

[Adzma]

Lack of metal is a little bit disappointing but it's not enough for me to pass up on this one. Let us remember, if this shelf warms, chances are there will be no more combiner reissues.

[liegeprime]

Thank god Im dont need to collect this guy anymore....

[Doubledealer]

Glad to hear they changed the colours to better reflect those seen in the cartoon. While the lack of metal doesn't really bother me the effects of the overused/unclean mould do. :/ I think the new colours coupled with the fact that it's half the price of an original will win over eventually...I'll bide my time.

[kurdt_the_goat]

I think those different shades are more coincidental. New Year Convoy had blue eyes (blue windows too - but that's more coincidental as he's a basically reissue of Goodbye Convoy which had blue windows), which was obviously done for show-likeness; TFC Starscream has the most show-accurate colours.

New Year Convoy & TFC Starscream
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/Photocomic%20Transformers%20The%20Movie/th_photocomic_tftm0005.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/Photocomic%20Transformers%20The%20Movie/photocomic_tftm0005.jpg)

I may be wrong, since my wife isn't here to read it for me - but you can right?
I thought the individual pages on TT's site for Convoy (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-01.html), Soundwave (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-03.html) and Starscream (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-04.html) all say the colours are on purpose.

[Sky Shadow]

May we ask where from?

Mine was pre-ordered from Hobbylink Japan, Digger. But they're currently out of stuck and (it seems) unlikely to get more in the near future: http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT34288

[GoktimusPrime]

I may be wrong, since my wife isn't here to read it for me - but you can right?
I thought the individual pages on TT's site for Convoy (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-01.html), Soundwave (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-03.html) and Starscream (http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-04.html) all say the colours are on purpose.

Convoy and Soundwave's pages say that they have more show-like blues, whereas Starscream's page does say that his canopy is a more show-like shade of brown (beige). But TFC Starscream is still comparatively more show-accurate than Encore Starscream (his cockpit window is more orange like the show and he has light sky-blue like the cartoon too instead of dark blue). I much prefer the original G1 toy colours mind you. And get your wife to start speaking to you in Japanese 24/7 (it's the best way to learn IMO :)).

[TF76]

good

they got the colours right

any idea of Aust. price?


It cost me $106 for mine including postage.

[Kyle]

I love the more show accurate repaints/redecos... :p

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee16/Kyle_Chow/DSC00290.jpg

[reillyd]

Niice display there Kyle with the add-on heads for Ironhide and Ratchet. Very cool photo!

[Robzy]

I love the more show accurate repaints/redecos... Agreed! They're a nice contrast to the originals. :)

[blackoptimus]

Seems like the latest Encore is suffering from mold degradation:

Linky (http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generation-1-1/mold-issues-for-takara-tomy-encore-16-bruticus-168223/)

And it also contains NO metal!! :mad:

WOW, no metal=waste of money unless you intend to keep it MISB.

[blackoptimus]

I love the more show accurate repaints/redecos... :p

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee16/Kyle_Chow/DSC00290.jpg

That G1 Starscream cost a dam fortune!

[GoktimusPrime]

WOW, no metal=waste of money unless you intend to keep it MISB.
I wouldn't say that. I paid roughly the same price just for Computron's gestalt parts and rifle alone. Considering that for about the same price I can get:
+ All of Bruticus' gestalt parts and weapon
+ All of the Combaticons' individual weapons
+ All the Combaticons
...I think it's a reasonably good deal.

I'm not a fan of the show colours, but I already have the G1 Combaticons, so I'm not that bothered by it. I'm getting this set in order to:
1/ Get all the accessories that I would otherwise pay _more_ for
2/ Support TakaraTOMY and encourage them to do more gestalt reissues. If this toy shelf warms it will discourage TakaraTOMY from considering future gestalt reissues.


That G1 Starscream cost a dam fortune!
I paid 3500JPY ($45) for mine.

[Fungal Infection]

I find it absurd that we should be supporting TakTom by buying this reissue in the slim hope that TakTom will reissue other gestalts. I dont have a problem with them reissuing Bruticus even though I have no interest in it, but to ask someone to buy it just to show we want more special teams is really a bit rich. And considering the amount of times this has been reissued, it would not surprise me if this shelf warmed (even though I'd love to see it succeed for the sake of rest of the fandom).

[blackoptimus]

I wouldn't say that. I paid roughly the same price just for Computron's gestalt parts and rifle alone. Considering that for about the same price I can get:
+ All of Bruticus' gestalt parts and weapon
+ All of the Combaticons' individual weapons
+ All the Combaticons
...I think it's a reasonably good deal.

I'm not a fan of the show colours, but I already have the G1 Combaticons, so I'm not that bothered by it. I'm getting this set in order to:
1/ Get all the accessories that I would otherwise pay _more_ for
2/ Support TakaraTOMY and encourage them to do more gestalt reissues. If this toy shelf warms it will discourage TakaraTOMY from considering future gestalt reissues.


I paid 3500JPY ($45) for mine.

Don't you own a Bruticus complete? Also they may possible make encore King Poseidon, which would be pretty sweat!

[MV75]

I find it absurd that we should be supporting TakTom by buying this reissue in the slim hope that TakTom will reissue other gestalts. I dont have a problem with them reissuing Bruticus even though I have no interest in it, but to ask someone to buy it just to show we want more special teams is really a bit rich. And considering the amount of times this has been reissued, it would not surprise me if this shelf warmed (even though I'd love to see it succeed for the sake of rest of the fandom).

Nice selfish contridiction you have going on there. :p

Anyway, mine is on the way because I don't have a g1 bruticus, nor do I have any of the other combiners aside from menasor, (which I would get again if it was encored), so yes, I want a devastator reissue more than anyone else here.

[Defcon]

Bruticus is not one of my favorite combiners. All the others appeal to me, so if others are released in the future I'll definitely consider them. I have several combiners already but I would consider getting encore releases for the following reasons...

1. complete with all parts
2. minty fresh
3. nice packaging included
4. probably cheaper and more reliable than chasing on ebay

[GoktimusPrime]

I find it absurd that we should be supporting TakTom by buying this reissue in the slim hope that TakTom will reissue other gestalts. I dont have a problem with them reissuing Bruticus even though I have no interest in it, but to ask someone to buy it just to show we want more special teams is really a bit rich.
Who's asking? There's a fine difference between saying, "I'm getting this set because..." vs "We should all get this set because..." - my statement was the former, which is nothing more than stating my own personal reasons and not necessarily prescribing others to do likewise. :)

In all honesty supporting TakaraTOMY to reissue more gestalts is my tertiary reason for wanting this reissue. My primary reason is for the Bruticus gestalt parts and my secondary reason is for the Combaticons' individual weapons - all of which would easily cost me much more to purchase if I hunted them down otherwise. As I said before, collecting the gestalt parts for Computron (with NO individual accessories for the Technobots) alone cost me about $100 - so for around the same price I might as well just buy a reissue of the entire gift set! (^_^)


Don't you own a Bruticus complete?
Not really. I have all the G1 Combaticons, but I don't have their gestalt parts nor all their accessories. I've formed Bruticus using gestalt parts from my RiD Ruination.


Also they may possible make encore King Poseidon, which would be pretty sweat!
Sounds salty. I'd love to see a King Poseidon reissue as I have all the Seacons, but again, don't have all the gestalt parts (nor accessories).


Bruticus is not one of my favorite combiners. All the others appeal to me
I think one reason why Bruticus is so popular is because among the 1986 Scramble gestalts, both he and Defensor were seen as cool because their limb-formers were all distinctly different and unique looking. The problem with the Stunticons and especially the Aerialbots is that the limb robots kinda look the same. Breakdown and Dead End have the same transformation scheme, as do Slingshot, Air Raid, Fireflight and Skydive. In fact, the Aerialbots look so damn alike that when combined as Superion, G1 artists and animators often just drew and coloured all the limbs uniformly! When you see pics of Superion in the G1 comics and cartoon can you tell which arm or leg is which Aerialbot? Defensor and Bruticus were better because you could tell straight away which limb was say Vortex or Brawl, or Streetwise or Groove etc. There was clearly more effort put into the design and engineering of the Combaticons and Protectobots as opposed to the Aerialbots and some of the Stunticons.

[dirge]

There was clearly more effort put into the design and engineering of the Combaticons and Protectobots as opposed to the Aerialbots and some of the Stunticons.

Because there had to be, perhaps. It's hard to engineer a tank that transforms in the same way as a space shuttle.

This reissue seems to be low effort, since we know the mould exists - at least in its all-plastic form. It's the lowest risk combiner to test the market with, since the lower R&D cost keeps production costs to a minimum means TT and the stores are less likely to make a loss from this reissue.

As much as the metal versions may be appreciated by some fans, I guess TT wanted to keep the R&D costs of retooling the dies out of this at this stage.

[MV75]

I wonder how well this has sold so far. Does anyone know?

It's quite nice looking even in box. I wouldn't mind the seacons being next, as long as devastator comes eventually after. :)

[liegeprime]

Im just happy they still kept the line going ( Encore) as it really does help those of us who hasn't chanced upon cheaper parts for our originals, or are wanting more minty fresh looking figures.
As many here know, parts often cost more than the whole TF figure itself where G1 is concerned. So far though there's only been 3 encores Ive bought which are doubles of what I have mainly because, I just wanted a more minty fresh looking figure.:)
Im hoping they reissue Raiden and Liokaiser though as I dont have them yet heheh all other combiners Ive finally completed , even that ever so expensive little Sh*# Monstructor:mad:. But, if they ever do reissue Monstructor Id buy a set! So i can play with it, the original one is just too fragile (GPS) to be manhandled, sigh.....:(.

[Jhiaxus]

Because there had to be, perhaps. It's hard to engineer a tank that transforms in the same way as a space shuttle.

This reissue seems to be low effort, since we know the mould exists - at least in its all-plastic form. It's the lowest risk combiner to test the market with, since the lower R&D cost keeps production costs to a minimum means TT and the stores are less likely to make a loss from this reissue.

As much as the metal versions may be appreciated by some fans, I guess TT wanted to keep the R&D costs of retooling the dies out of this at this stage.

I think Dirge has hit the nail on the head here. The toolings for the metal versions would have been different to the toolings for the plastic versions. It's very probable that, after all this time, the moulds for the metal parts are lost, destroyed, damaged or otherwise inaccessible.

We know the Bruticus mould has been kept track of... it's not really the same thing as Predaking or other plastic-to-metal transition toys since this mould/tooling has been in use nearly constantly since it was made.

--Boltax
(I think it's interesting that it's kept the super weapons from the RiD version of the mould -- too bad they didn't include the G2 launcher too.)

[kup]

I wonder how well this has sold so far. Does anyone know?

It's quite nice looking even in box. I wouldn't mind the seacons being next, as long as devastator comes eventually after. :)

Online it seems to be selling fairly well, its sold out on pre-orders alone in a few places such as HLJ.

Retail however could be a different story. Many encores that have sold reasonably well online seem to be a bit of shelf warmers in Japan.

[k.wong23]

Online it seems to be selling fairly well, its sold out on pre-orders alone in a few places such as HLJ.

Retail however could be a different story. Many encores that have sold reasonably well online seem to be a bit of shelf warmers in Japan.

Wait till im in Japan in november and ill nab them all for peanuts :D

[kurdt_the_goat]

I was in Akihabara last week, and only saw 1 Encore Bruticus - in a specialty store next to an original japanese Bruticus! I also never saw Cassettes Vol2. Places that had Transformers in the first place, only seemed to have Hoist & Trailbreaker, Cassettes Vol1, with an odd Ratchet or Jazz here and there.

[reillyd]

I think one reason why Bruticus is so popular is because among the 1986 Scramble gestalts, both he and Defensor were seen as cool because their limb-formers were all distinctly different and unique looking. The problem with the Stunticons and especially the Aerialbots is that the limb robots kinda look the same. Breakdown and Dead End have the same transformation scheme, as do Slingshot, Air Raid, Fireflight and Skydive. In fact, the Aerialbots look so damn alike that when combined as Superion, G1 artists and animators often just drew and coloured all the limbs uniformly! When you see pics of Superion in the G1 comics and cartoon can you tell which arm or leg is which Aerialbot?

Sacriledge! Could always tell in the Marvel UK ones.

[bruticus]

My encore bruticus arrived today. what a fn let down.

For those that have not already bought this encore bruticus set, i recommend you save your money and buy an original or buy something else.

Even though it is brand new, the plastic feels really cheap and light....
The edges and details are all worn and not prominant compared to the original.
Onslaught's arms and legs dont line up or click together properly....
the wheels are loose and rattly...
and I also cant believe that they skimped out on a single sheet of plastic that would have protected the holes in the gift box and now its susceptible to snagging and tearing on something. so much for buying cos the giftbox is nice....

Sure, onslaught's launcher gimmick is awesome and its the first time i have seen it in real life, but that alone can not save this set.

Its very inferior compared to the metal and non metal chested G1 combaticons..

[Adzma]

Even though it is brand new, the plastic feels really cheap and light....
The edges and details are all worn and not prominant compared to the original.
Onslaught's arms and legs dont line up or click together properly....
the wheels are loose and rattly...
Aw these are the things I didn't want to hear. :( Sounds like TT are falling back into old habits.

[Gutsman Heavy]

Sounds like TT are falling back into old habits.

Probably more to do with the mold being used to death.

[TF76]

In all honesty I don't think it is that bad, there is little difference between swindle and my classic (gold card) no difference in quality compaired to other encores I can see.

The mold is tired but still think it is NOT in any way as bad as people say, I can understand that it not having really crisp detail can be anoying but it's expected. (at least to me)

I just don't see how the quality is cheap, the price is GOOD (for what you get) the packaging is awsome, tray, cards stickers are good (better quality to the classic). I really don't see anyway a better bruticus could be released now or anytime soon.

Really sick of hearing so much complaining about what I think is no secret, encore reissues probably aren't going to be as good as originals.

There is just something really cool about getting a new 'old' toy. Toys should be fun not heart breaking.

[reillyd]

Well lets hope the release depresses the price of older metal versions for those of us looking for them

[bruticus]

In all honesty I don't think it is that bad, there is little difference between swindle and my classic (gold card) no difference in quality compaired to other encores I can see.

The mold is tired but still think it is NOT in any way as bad as people say, I can understand that it not having really crisp detail can be anoying but it's expected. (at least to me)


errr, you must have got a half decent batch... the circular tabs on my encore onslaught's legs couldn't even click in properly and when i applied force, it caused the the two plastic halves to bulge...solution widen the hole (but why should i have to modify a legit transfer that i paid hard earned money for??)
my vortex rear wheel was not even centred at the pin so if you try to roll him it doesnt turn properly.

all in all, i was left with a very cheap impression. similar to owning a KO. I have 5 regular size bruticus btw. 1 metal chest G1, 1 plastic chest G1, 1 armada camouflage ruination, 1 regular KO and now this 1 encore makes 5. If it wasnt for the launching mechanism i would rate the encore set as a whole well below the armada ruination and slightly higher than the KO (mostly because i have to modify the toys to make it do what its suppose to do).....but since it has the launching mechanism i would rate it on par with armada ruination which is still well below metal chest bruticus.



I just don't see how the quality is cheap, the price is GOOD (for what you get) the packaging is awsome, tray, cards stickers are good (better quality to the classic). I really don't see anyway a better bruticus could be released now or anytime soon.


Do you even own a legit G1 brutiucs? the plastic feels completely different. rough and light weight. sounds more hollow too...

But i guess you are right in that aspect... if you pay less, i should expect less right? well for 110AUD i didnt expect near KO quality.

Outside packaging is sh*t IMO... and trust me, without some form of plastic sheet, if you are not careful, you are quite likely to rip the cardboard display holes. Cardboard tray was falling apart and needs new sticky tape. Plastic packaging inside was alright.



Really sick of hearing so much complaining about what I think is no secret, encore reissues probably aren't going to be as good as originals.


Dude, my encore metroplex with rubber tyres and chrome is way better than my original G1 Metroplex with platic tyres. The QC at TakTom is just so damn inconsistent!!!



There is just something really cool about getting a new 'old' toy. Toys should be fun not heart breaking.
yes, i totally agree with you mate.....but just go tell Taktom that!!!

Anyways, you can take my rantings however you like. I just felt an obligation to warn collectors what to expect. I have never felt the urge to sell a transformer as much i do with this...

[GoktimusPrime]

Aw these are the things I didn't want to hear. Sounds like TT are falling back into old habits.Probably more to do with the mold being used to death.
Adzma, I agree with Gutsman Heavy. The fact is that the G1 Bruticus mould has been used over and over again to the point that significant mould degradation should come as no surprise.

Let's look at how often the G1 Bruticus mould has been used since the original 1986 release:
+ 1991: Classic reissue
+ 1992: Battle Gaea
+ 1994: G2 Bruticus
+ 2000: Vuldigus
+ 2001: Ruination
+ 2003: Ruination (Wal*Mart)
+ 2004: Ruination (Universe)

This makes Encore Bruticus the ninth use of this mould.

[jaydisc]

I find the general concept of mold degradation annoying and somewhat unacceptable. Has anyone ever experienced the result of a degraded Lego mold? I haven't. They ditch the molds like clockwork after x presses and make new ones. I wish HasTak had the same discipline.

[MV75]

I find the general concept of mold degradation annoying and somewhat unacceptable. Has anyone ever experienced the result of a degraded Lego mold? I haven't. They ditch the molds like clockwork after x presses and make new ones. I wish HasTak had the same discipline.

Yes, but this is where Lego are awesome, they replaced the parts only at my word, no fuss and very quickly. Total pros.

[TF76]

Sorry no quotes It was a bit hard to do on my phone.

Molds should be replaced especally current ones like the movie line but a generic Lego block is a bit different to a unique toy mold. With the older stuff I just see it as an oportunity to still get a new 'old' toy.

I agree the bruticus mold has seen better days (I also think the encore line in general is assembled/manufactured at a lower standard to some lines in the past) but to me it was a last (hopefully) opotunity to get the set original(ish) colors and worth doing beyond the mold I still don't see how the toy or box lack quality.

I think I did get a pretty good set, A few issues but not enough to ruin the toy. Onslaughts legs are a bit soft in detail but generally it is pretty good.

I have owned most of bruticus on and off since I was a kid but can't remeber having a whole set. Currently I still have a classic reissue brawl and a metal and plactic onslaught.

[jaydisc]

I understand both TF76 and Bruticus's positions. And I think it might come down to whether or not the acquirer has any other Bruticuses.

I do not. As a result, I'm quite smitten with this toy, because regardless of its problems, it's still a G1 Bruticus, which i generally consider to be an awesome toy.

Now, if I already had a G1 Bruticus, or an excellent/mint condition one at that, I would find this toy very disappointing.

But the fact remains, that for someone who doesn't have G1, to acquire a G1 for A$110 or under is wrought with difficulties, e.g. avoiding KOs, different opinions of quality, dealing with untrusted sellers, etc.

So, my opinion is that if you don't have a Bruticus, this is a great option. If you do have one already, and don't need spare parts, packaging or tech spec cards, I'd recommend seeing one in person before buying one.

Further comment and discussion here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=5411).

[Autocon]

well i dont like G1 in general and im use to all the articulations.

i dont get the brawl launch ramp thing

havnt combined him yet. why arnt there any female combiners?

[GoktimusPrime]

Discharge (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Discharge) is female. unfortunate that Sixturbo's female component is a red Discharge d: