New Series Wild Mass Guessing

[SilverDragon]

So Hasbro have a new TF series in the works. Presumably, it's going to be shown on their own channel, rather than on Cartoon Network, as has been the case.

Beyond those details, we know NOTHING. So let's all mass theorise about what it could be! Maybe we'll somehow achieve critical mass with our guessing and influence space-time to make it true.

Maybe.

I'm thinking it might be a movie-based series, much as I don't want one. Possible evidence for this is that several voice actors for the new TFs work mainly in TV, e.g. Tom Kenny (Skids, Wheelie), Grey DeLise (Arcee threesome). Since they work in TV roles already (and Kenny was in TFA, notably as Starscream), it wouldn't cost significantly more to use them in a movie-based series. They could probably use other VAs for the others, which would be easy since we never heard more than a few lines from many of them anyway.

I'm hoping it's not, since I'm sick of movie stuff right now.

[roller]

If its shown on their own channel, i think it will take ages to get to free to air tv, and when it is it will be severely chopped for more stupid ads.

Then everyone will discuss it in depth and spoil it for me

and people will get told off about talking about watching it on the internet

and the toys will come out and i'll buy some, but not the whole line

then they'll cancel it after 2 years and the final toys of the final wave will be released in the US only

its just my theory

[High_Q]

since I'm sick of movie stuff right now.

+1.

[Gutsman Heavy]

I'm lazy so I'ma quote myself


I honestly think the new "universe" of what ever it come out as will be like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=22370

classic style bots with a splash of movie aesthetics.

My theory is further backed (IMO) by the new bludgeon that is in a "universe style" yet to me looks like it'll fit right in with that new style breakdown up there

http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=12027

[kup]

It will be heavily Movie based in the art and perhaps plot but with G1 elements.

Hasbro is very predictable but always late to the party when they want to capitalize on the popularity of something as such a TV series should of happened shortly after TF1 as TF2 does not seem to be having no where near the same impact or following.

[Defcon]

I agree with everyones speculations that its going to be movie based with a pinch of G1. It makes sense although I agree as Kup stated, they are slightly late to the party. With the first movie I was still thinking about it for months, after the ROTF I couldn't care less. The best part about a possible cartoon series is that it might actually make sense, and have characters that can be developed and followed.

[Adzma]

Well I'll be happy if it neither

a) Looks like Teen Titans

and

b) Has nothing to do with the movies

Sadly both those things are likely to be the case.

[kup]

I am not sure if Bludgeon is intended to have Movie aesthetics. I think that its more of an attempt at making a Classics Bludgeon which robot mode represents his Samurai Skeleton G1 Pretender shell while still being robotic without making him into a terminator rip off.

[GoktimusPrime]

Movie _influenced_ might be better than movie based, lest they restrict themselves to Bay's continuity. A Classics cartoon would totally rock, but I think a movie influenced/inspired series would be neat too. The important thing I'd like to see is a return to writing stories that can appeal to both kids and adults at the same time; as we had in the G1 comics and Beast Wars cartoon. We even got sporadic tastes of it in parts of Animated. But yeah - a cartoon story for TFs can be written to appeal to both adults and kids if they wanted to make the effort.

[i_amtrunks]

I'd be happier (but not much) if the new series was more like the live action movies in terms of characters and story rather than aesthetics. The Movie robot designs are a real deal breaker for me. I'm all for realistic alt modes, but the insectoid scrap metal look just bores me.

Most likely it'll be another "reimagining" of the G1 story, but with the movie aesthetic.

[Sky Shadow]

As much as I don't like the Bay films, a series that actually 'fleshes out' the robot characters from the movies might be a good idea. I fear that whatever they end up doing won't be as good as Animated.

[SMHFConvoy]

If it's a rebranding of TFA I'd be a happy man. However, I hope it's not based off of the movies.

Further more is it going to be traditional, flash/vector or CG? Before anyone baulks at the idea of it being in Flash, the 1st season of Chaotic was done in Flash and it looked really good. Then they went and did the 2nd season in an "anime" style and it looks wretched

[autobreadticon]

anything CG would be <'insert smiley face!'>
must be a G1 continuity, not a reboot of G1, movie , animated or beast wars

[GoktimusPrime]

I'd really like to see a new cartoon based on the Classics/Universe line, with the story picking up where the G2 comics ended and building elements toward Beast Wars; possibly building to the ultimate climax where the Autobot-Decepticon conflict is concluded with the signing of the Pax Cybertronia (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Pax_Cybertronia).

[Gutsman Heavy]

I'd really like to see a new cartoon based on the Classics/Universe line, with the story picking up where the G2 comics ended and building elements toward Beast Wars; possibly building to the ultimate climax where the Autobot-Decepticon conflict is concluded with the signing of the Pax Cybertronia (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Pax_Cybertronia).

that would be perfect, but sadly probably the most unlikely suggestion so far :(

[SofaMan]

I'd really like to see a new cartoon based on the Classics/Universe line, with the story picking up where the G2 comics ended and building elements toward Beast Wars; possibly building to the ultimate climax where the Autobot-Decepticon conflict is concluded with the signing of the Pax Cybertronia (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Pax_Cybertronia).

I see where you're coming from, but for the most part we've already been told that story.

Do we want to keep recycling the same narrative, or try to introduce some new narratives like Animated (and BW/BM) did?

I actually think we're ready for something completely new (well, I am). Adventure and exploration in which Optimus and Megatron may occasionally feature, but the story doesn't revolve around them. Introduce some authentically new characters, doing authentically new things. The setting is broad enough to accomodate this.

People won't accept it readily; remember the outrage when Star Trek: TNG started? (well, some of you probably don't actually). People called it a travesty and a debasement of ST, and some people still feel that way. Many refused to accept a series where Kirk wasn't in command of the Enterprise. On the other hand, some people actually thought it was better (or at least, enjoyed it more) than TOS.

I can't see Hasbro being that brave, but I don't think it would hurt to have a spin-off type series that follows a different group of Transformers as they do things that are not necessarily always Goodies vs. Baddies. Plenty of other shows have done spin-off series that work within the same fictional universe - why can't we? For some reason we're stuck in this reboot loop.

[AussieJason]

I'd really like to see a new cartoon based on the Classics/Universe line, with the story picking up where the G2 comics ended and building elements toward Beast Wars; possibly building to the ultimate climax where the Autobot-Decepticon conflict is concluded with the signing of the Pax Cybertronia (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Pax_Cybertronia).

This would be an excellent move, so therefore; Hasbro will never do it.

My guess they will come up with something that fits loosely (and I mean loosely) between the TF1 and ROTF movies, with Sam Witwicky as the main character.

Think Ben 10: Alien Force but with Sam, and some Autobots instead.

[liegeprime]

my guess is simple... it'll feature a whole slew of characters which has G1 based flavoring mixed in it, to appeal to oldie fans but mostly be a new storyline , a new TF lore ( an alternate universe mayhaps - like TFA is) where Hasbro will have ample moving ground to introduce new characters and thus sell these new figures based on these new characters:). As much as we want character development, adult-child appealing storylines, story direction and all that hoohaa , Hasbro IS a toy company, as much as toons is their way, well one way, they promote their product, it's still all about the toys. So gimmicks galore, blatant commercials every ten seconds, gawdy eyecatching colors. Period.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Transformers The Next Generation: The Adventures of Skids and Mudflap.

Skids and Mudflap, assisted by the US Army and a few unimportant other Autobots, must battle the evil Testicles (pronounced test-i-clees), his lieutenant Megatron, and their league of evil Fartbots, who all share a small number of spikily generic bodies and live in the Library Dimension of Doom. They have turned Optimus Prime into Nemesis Prime, a black-repaint boticidal undead psychopath who kills helpless victims and tears off their faces. They are also help by Browniewoman, who is really Sam's mum and who gains super powers whenever she eats a brownie a la Bananaman (except not voiced by the Goodies), and by the Arceebots (who die in every episode in a Kenny-esque fashion). Sam and Mikaela are there too but mostly to run away, or die and be revived because they're actually the last of the Jedi, hidden and separated at birth by Obi-Wan Kenobumblebee to keep them from their evil father Darth Starscream. Every episode is at least 30% explosions, with coherent plot and character development being a noticeably lower priority.

I'm betting on yet another Allspark-centred reboot along the lines of liegeprimes' prediction, which probably won't be as good as Animated.

[AussieJason]

Transformers The Next Generation: The Adventures of Skids and Mudflap.

Skids and Mudflap, assisted by the US Army and a few unimportant other Autobots, must battle the evil Testicles (pronounced test-i-clees), his lieutenant Megatron, and their league of evil Fartbots, who all share a small number of spikily generic bodies and live in the Library Dimension of Doom. They have turned Optimus Prime into Nemesis Prime, a black-repaint boticidal undead psychopath who kills helpless victims and tears off their faces. They are also help by Browniewoman, who is really Sam's mum and who gains super powers whenever she eats a brownie a la Bananaman (except not voiced by the Goodies), and by the Arceebots (who die in every episode in a Kenny-esque fashion). Sam and Mikaela are there too but mostly to run away, or die and be revived because they're actually the last of the Jedi, hidden and separated at birth by Obi-Wan Kenobumblebee to keep them from their evil father Darth Starscream. Every episode is at least 30% explosions, with coherent plot and character development being a noticeably lower priority.

How did you get hold of the script for Bay's 3rd Transformers movie ?

[Lord_Zed]

I agree with Sofa Man, more of the same gets tiring pretty quick, at first I was detered when Beast Wars Broke the mould, but now It's my favourte TF series. Animated to seems to have won more fans than 3 years of Armadaverse goodie vs baddie stuff, I'll have to try that series again one day (starting more toward the end though). And to use Sofa Man's Star Trek example, my favourte Star Trek series was Deep Space 9 broke all the Star Trek moulds but nontheless continued the Star Trek legacy till the next Spin Off. As he says if other franschises can do it why can't Transformers? Is it really that hard to make new interesting characters.


I am not sure if Bludgeon is intended to have Movie aesthetics. I think that its more of an attempt at making a Classics Bludgeon which robot mode represents his Samurai Skeleton G1 Pretender shell while still being robotic without making him into a terminator rip off.

To me he looks like a fusion of the two rather like IDW's new art, his colours and head are totaly Classics Universe, but his limbs and hands, and legs (which may be goat like) just say movie to me. Still I'm not opposed to a fusion that incorporates G1 hommage with a litte movie styling and realistic altmode.

[SMHFConvoy]

I' agree. Something new please or at least a continuation. It could be a rebranded TFA and usually a new animation director means new style guides and character designs... Continuity reboots are passe, look at how successful Infinite Crisis was for DC :p

[Bartrim]

It's going to be about a team of super duper fan created characters lead by Drift who have all their stats at 10 travel from planet to planet saving each planet and it's inhabitants from a group of comic relief Decepticons that look like dinosaurs drawn by a 5 year old.

[Robzy]

I'd really like to see a new cartoon based on the Classics/Universe lineGreat idea!!


I see where you're coming from, but for the most part we've already been told that story.

Yes, but imagine if, instead of always focusing on OP, we have stories based around Mirage, Bluestreak, Sunstreaker, Onslaught, etc... I know G1 had character-centric episodes, but I'm talking about 2 or 3 parters (like what the 200X TMNT series did, or the 1992 X-men cartoon) without any of the main cast!


I actually think we're ready for something completely new (well, I am). Adventure and exploration in which Optimus and Megatron may occasionally feature, but the story doesn't revolve around them. Introduce some authentically new characters, doing authentically new things. The setting is broad enough to accomodate this.

Yep - I agree with this!


Plenty of other shows have done spin-off series that work within the same fictional universe - why can't we? For some reason we're stuck in this reboot loop.
Ooo... maybe a series about the Wreckers?



Transformers The Next Generation: The Adventures of Skids and Mudflap.

Skids and Mudflap, assisted by the US Army and a few unimportant other Autobots, must battle the evil Testicles (pronounced test-i-clees), his lieutenant Megatron, and their league of evil Fartbots, who all share a small number of spikily generic bodies and live in the Library Dimension of Doom. They have turned Optimus Prime into Nemesis Prime, a black-repaint boticidal undead psychopath who kills helpless victims and tears off their faces. They are also help by Browniewoman, who is really Sam's mum and who gains super powers whenever she eats a brownie a la Bananaman (except not voiced by the Goodies), and by the Arceebots (who die in every episode in a Kenny-esque fashion). Sam and Mikaela are there too but mostly to run away, or die and be revived because they're actually the last of the Jedi, hidden and separated at birth by Obi-Wan Kenobumblebee to keep them from their evil father Darth Starscream. Every episode is at least 30% explosions, with coherent plot and character development being a noticeably lower priority.

I'm betting on yet another Allspark-centred reboot along the lines of liegeprimes' prediction, which probably won't be as good as Animated.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk199/sunglikeahorse/JokerClapping.gif
lol - That was gold! :D

[Sky Shadow]

I am not sure if Bludgeon is intended to have Movie aesthetics. I think that its more of an attempt at making a Classics Bludgeon which robot mode represents his Samurai Skeleton G1 Pretender shell while still being robotic without making him into a terminator rip off.

A new picture of Bludgeon... albeit a somewhat mistransformed one:

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/ROTFbludgeonfactory/NewBLUD.jpg

[1orion2many]

Well I'll be happy if it neither

a) Looks like Teen Titans

and

b) Has nothing to do with the movies

Sadly both those things are likely to be the case.

:(+1 to that but I'm sure Hasbro wont fail to dissappoint and give us some craptacular animation in Teen Titans style:(

[RageOnTheRoads]

Yes, but imagine if, instead of always focusing on OP, we have stories based around Mirage, Bluestreak, Sunstreaker, Onslaught, etc... I know G1 had character-centric episodes, but I'm talking about 2 or 3 parters (like what the 200X TMNT series did, or the 1992 X-men cartoon) without any of the main cast!

Now that would be fun!! No points for guessing who I'd like to see.

After looking at IDW's new spin, the popularity of the movie and the rebirth of the universe line in 2010 I think we will probably end up with the hellish spawn of Movie/universe or at least something along those lines.



Transformers The Next Generation: The Adventures of Skids and Mudflap.

Skids and Mudflap, assisted by the US Army and a few unimportant other Autobots, must battle the evil Testicles (pronounced test-i-clees), his lieutenant Megatron, and their league of evil Fartbots, who all share a small number of spikily generic bodies and live in the Library Dimension of Doom. They have turned Optimus Prime into Nemesis Prime, a black-repaint boticidal undead psychopath who kills helpless victims and tears off their faces. They are also help by Browniewoman, who is really Sam's mum and who gains super powers whenever she eats a brownie a la Bananaman (except not voiced by the Goodies), and by the Arceebots (who die in every episode in a Kenny-esque fashion). Sam and Mikaela are there too but mostly to run away, or die and be revived because they're actually the last of the Jedi, hidden and separated at birth by Obi-Wan Kenobumblebee to keep them from their evil father Darth Starscream. Every episode is at least 30% explosions, with coherent plot and character development being a noticeably lower priority.


Epic LOL! :D

[MV75]

Mmmmm.... tmnt mentioned.

Anyone else see the new series? Back to the sewers. Yea, back to more or less what it was. Good stuff. :)

But anyway, what about alternators? Could go speed racer style. :D Or some teenagers and a dog could ride around in skids solving mysteries. I do have another thought, but no, it's so disgustingly accurate of what hasbro would do with alternators I'll spare everyone the *moan* :rolleyes:

Or how about something like stargate atlantis, but only a million times less crap? Introduce a totally seperate 3rd party that isn't human nor transformer. Something that wants to conquer everything.

[mightyant]

I'd love to see something based in the early days, like War Within, or something set entirely on Cybertron. But no, they probably will go movie based like everyone thinks.... Star Wars Clone Wars pulled up ok though

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Thank you, I also do children's parties.:D


But anyway, what about alternators? Could go speed racer style. :D Or some teenagers and a dog could ride around in skids solving mysteries. I do have another thought, but no, it's so disgustingly accurate of what hasbro would do with alternators I'll spare everyone the *moan* :rolleyes:Kiss Players would be worth a mainstream US animation release for the Jack Thompson reaction alone.

[GoktimusPrime]

yeah but Clone Wars exists within mainstream Star Wars continuity. As I said, I'd like to see a new series that exists within the mainstream Transformers G1/G2/BW/BM continuity - using Classics/Universe/Henkei figures would work well (and also help promote sales for these recent/current figures which would benefit HasTak). And the groundwork for inserting it into mainstream continuity has already been laid down by comics books as an "alternate G2" - although it could just as easily take place after the events of G2; effectively becoming a "Generation 3" story.

[MV75]

Thank you, I also do children's parties.:D

Kiss Players would be worth a mainstream US animation release for the Jack Thompson reaction alone.

I feel naughty right now, so I'll give you a hasbro version of alternators:

There's 5 'bots, 4 of them are bitch'n while the other one is bumblebee.

These 5 cars are teamed up with 5 kids that "discover" some cache with some sort of tokens in them that allow them to "Transform and roll out" command these 5 'bots. Oh, and to "upgrade" the cars in races with jet thrusters and crap.

The cons have no such handicap and cheat at winning races all across the world in some attempt to gain control over the oil.

[RagingBull]

i would love to see more movie-verse stories fleshed out in a tv show. means more movie style figures to send me broke :D

on the other hand, i want to see a series that picks up where Beast machines left off, i want more of those characters we loved in the beast series and bring some g1 favs into the beast world.

im the beast wars generation of tf fan, so im very biast to that series, i think after years and years of tf vehicle based shows i really want to go back to beast bots for a while.

[GoktimusPrime]

It's hard not to love Beast Wars considering it's pure awesomesauceness. :D

Having said that, it's not easy to continue where Beast Machines left off because BM pretty much boxed itself in at the end. Your options are to either:

a) Continue on with Cybertron as a technorganic paradise, and of course the Transformers themselves are all technorganic ('cept for those who were off-world at the time Cybertron was reformatted like Rook, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker etc.); something which was very controversial and unpopular with fans, or...

b) Have something undo Cybertron and restore it as a machine planet (and the Transformers are completely mechanical robots); but the question is would you want to do this and still try to respect everything that Optimus Primal and the Maximals struggled in order to achieve technorganicism (including Optimus' sacrifice!) or do you fly against that and thus their entire effort would have been in vain/futility? or...

c) Take the story away from Cybertron. This is what Transformers Universe essentially did; took the story away from Cybertron to within Unicron and other worlds. I'm not sure how well this story would work in the long term though because Cybertron would remain technorganic.

Understandably Hasbro wouldn't _want_ to return to the whole technorganic thing. It's not necessarily because the concept was bad - I personally liked it - but like it or not it was a pretty unpopular concept. I don't see Hasbro wanting to develop a new technorganic Transformer toy line like Beast Machines again (remember how long they shelf warmed?). Transformers Animated has demonstrated that you can get away with a small number of Technorganic Transformers like Blackarachnia and Waspinator, but of course, Animated is a line that is predominantly vehicular. And Blackarachnia and Waspinator are really just robotic animals (like the Dinobots), despite the cartoon's claims that they're technorganic.

I'd rather see them return to realistic beast-moded Transformers. It's a far more popular concept (as demonstrated by the success of Beast Wars).

[RagingBull]

i remember reading somewhere that a comic writter was working on a story that was a sequel to beast machines. not 100% if it was a writter commisioned by IDW. the premise was that beast machines was actually a simulation that the maximals were put into by some higher being or what ever and the series begins with the maximal waking from that simulation to a devastated cybertron taking into account the events of the 2nd BW comic. i wouldnt mind this premise because it allows the story to continue with those characters with a more traditional cybertron.

either way, id love for the story of maximals and predacons to go on. even fleshing out the BW comic series would be super awesome because i loved those books

[GoktimusPrime]

which would basically be option b - undoing Beast Machines. Transformers Universe continues on from Beast Machines and takes the story off-world as the Transformers battle a renewed Unicron and also go questing on the behest of the Oracle.

"Good idea, O Lord!"
"'Course it's a good idea!!"

[Lord_Zed]

One of the other problems with the TF tooniverse of Beast Wars and Beast Machines is that it's so far in the future now that it makes no sense to have any TF's with alt modes that resemble earth vehicles. And as for Beastmodes they only really make sense on Earth, unless they make some lame explenation for why there are heaps of Earths out there.

So if they take the adventure into space or elsewhere in the galaxy how do they explain the TF's altmodes?

[GoktimusPrime]

Time travel. After all Beast Wars was set in around 180000BCE even though the Beast Wars Transformers themselves came from approx. 315AU (possibly the 24th Century by Earth reckoning).

[kup]

If they want to do something like Beast Machines (meaning that it only takes place on Cybertron) then by all means please do it. There is a lot of awesome stuff in Maximal era Cybertron to be explored. There is even enough room to do a series that takes place shortly after the Axalon departs with a whole new cast without affecting contunuity as the story is taking part in another place. The awesome thing about such a series is that they would be able to introduce numerous G1 characters with all the political intrigue surrounding the Tripredacus Council and Predacon insurgency motivated by underground Decepticon leaders.

[GoktimusPrime]

Okay, but considering the amount of time and money invested into a cartoon series, from Hasbro's perspective the show needs to work toward marketing a toyline. Other awesome/cool ideas to further enhance Transformers lore can always be done in comic books.

It's no secret that Transformer cartoons are essentially a series of toy commercials. Transformer comics were the same in the beginning too, but they've essentially evolved past that. Transformer comics are clearly aimed at older markets now... just last night I was thinking about all the iPod ads on the back of current comics compared to say the Lucky Charms cereal ads and community service campaigns that we used to have in G1 and G2. Contemporary TF comics even have recruitment ads for the United States Army!

So I think from a practical/realistic POV we need to look at how to develop a cartoon story that could work as a toyline too. And in that regard I don't think technorganicism is something that Hasbro should revisit; storywise I personally don't think it's a bad idea, but we _know_ that the technorganic Maximals sold poorly during Beast Machines so if I were a Hasbro exec I wouldn't want to touch it with a 3m barge pole.

If I were a Hasbro exec I would consider making a cartoon series based on Classics/Universe/Henkei toys - they're a recent/current line of toys, many of which are still on shelves now, and it's not too late for Hasbro to continue the line for next year. Storywise there's all kinds of things you could do with Classics, such as:
1) Doing what's already been done in the comics; have Classics as an alternate "Generation 2."
2) Continue on from where G2 finished (bring on the Liege Maximo!!) - and even incorporate some of the ideas you were suggesting (bridging G2 with Beast Wars).
3) A reimagining of G1, but updated and more matured... not too mature like Beast Machines, something like Beast Wars which kids and adults can both appreciate. Something in a similar spirit to the Clone Wars cartoon.
...etc.

Who here would not want to see a Classics cartoon series? :) Even sweeter if they can bring back some G1 voice actors like Cullen, Welker, McConnohie etc. Even if they can't most of us have enjoyed the more recent talents of VAs like Kaye, Chalk etc.; I'd love to see Scott McNeil reprise his role as Universe Dinobot!

[SilverDragon]

I'd rather see them return to realistic beast-moded Transformers. It's a far more popular concept (as demonstrated by the success of Beast Wars).

Although one could argue against that by using the example of the Universe BW figures shelfwarming. Well, at least in my area they did.

I think, realistically, we'd see either a whole new series, or something that continues the movieverse. G1's a bit too far gone to do a proper TV series about without a total reboot of it.

[Lord_Zed]

I think, realistically, we'd see either a whole new series, or something that continues the movieverse. G1's a bit too far gone to do a proper TV series about without a total reboot of it.

I have to agree the 3rd option Goktimus outlined of a reboot is the most likely. I can't say that really sounds that appealing to me but you never know. I can't help but think where heading toward something that's going to be amix of G1 and Movie though.

[SMHFConvoy]

It's obvious that Hasbro would rather forget the whole Beast Machines line. So if they were to continue the series after Beast Wars I say do so.

I mean it's their property they can do what they want with it, it seems to me that the fans are the ones clinging to continuity. If Hasbro was to dump BM I say replace it with Trans Tech or something new...

If anything look at the Bludgeon packaging Hasbro could build an outline from that using NEST human characters and the Beta Team Autobots (Arcee, Volt, and Sideswipe...) occasionally interacting with the Alpha Team (Prime and BB...)